The History of Indian Music EXPLAINED By A Historian | Dostcast w/ Vikram Sampath
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- Vikram Sampath is an Indian historian, author, and researcher known for his work on the history of music, culture, and political history in India .His contributions to the field of music helped preserving and promoting India's rich musical heritage, his work ensures that the legacy of Indian music is celebrated, studied, and continues to inspire generations.
In this episode, Vinamre and Vikram Sampath discuss:
- The impact of Gauhar Jaan on recorded music, and the historical context of recording companies and techniques in the early 20th century
- The establishment of the Archive of Indian Music, discoveries made through the archive, and its role in preserving India's auditory heritage
- The importance of historical documentation, living traditions and future sources for future historians nature
If recordings and how it started in India excites you then this episode is for you
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
3:54 - Ethnomusicology vs Musicology
4:24 - The Legacy of Gauhar Jaan
16:04 - How his Music Training started
19:40 - Record Companies in the early 20th Century
20:07 - Recording Techniques Back Then
27:32 - Discovering Berlin's National Sound Archive
31:47 - How He started the Archive of Indian Music
35:58 - Gaining Followers for the Archive
40:13 - How he pursued a PhD in History
44:36 - Archiving Criteria Explained
45:45 - Discoveries from the Archive of Indian Music
52:09 - “India has a Living Tradition”
1:00:22 - Sources for future historians
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@29:00 The west also has some of the rare veda-vedic chanting done by Pune Brahmin. Apparently the pune brahmin was the only one who knew of this particular method and it got recorded and preserved!! Way to go. India-Indians don't deserve our forefathers/lineage. We are horrible, horrible....
@54:00 Even today, traditional vedanta teacher do not care for recording their pravachan because it is not just meant for lisening but meant to be listened in the presence of a LIVE guru. SO it is oral traditions and thats why it is called Shruti
This is what I call sidequest history. It's my favourite kind of history. The stakes are low. The implications are not severe, political or otherwise. The non statistical biases are often less. One gets to fully enjoy the process of research and documentation. There are no heavy chips on your shoulder. Thank you Vikram Sir for gifting this book to the world.
Very well said!
Vikram has a genius that most lack! His knowledge of Indian history has silenced pretenders like Tharoor. It is so refreshing to see his passion even in the history of music! Glad you gave up the ‘coolie’ job of the corporates. Hats off to you Vikram! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💐‼️
Vikram is nowhere near Tharoor !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg Yeah. Vikram is next level.
@@RT-oz3lg Next nevel liar !
@@RT-oz3lg Next level of lying !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg What are those lies though? You've got some examples?
All the historical wrongs are hammed by the great trinity 🔱 J Sai Deepak - Dr. Anand Ranganathan - Vikram Sampath. Hope to do the podcast with these gems 💎 one day.
You forgot the dad - Rajiv Malhotra
@@manh9105 true
And Nilesh oak
Mr Santan of PMO
Sorry Mr Sanyal
let vikram talk man-dont interrupt and ask ur questions- have patience
I have never heard or seen this side of Dr. Sampath. We usually see him talking about history and I always wondered about the rather strange Ph.D degree he held. I'm so glad this podcast explored the musical side of this down-to-earth man and his yet another amazing contributions to our Indian society. Thanks!
What an amazing discussion! We are blessed to have Vikram Sampath ji amongst us!
Yarrrr..... Sir u r doing a phenomenal work in Indian music history and heritage
Thank you Mr. Sampat. In the early 20th century, singers, mostly courtesans, had to sit down and sing before and elite audience; once the singing was over, they had to say their name in full before they got up to go. Like “Gohar Jan Kalkatte Wali”
Wonderful podcast. We need more like this because people generally get attracted towards the practical aspects of Indian classical music while the fact is that it has a history of its own.
Towards the last decade of the19th century Gohar Jan visited Jamnagar which was the capital of Nawanagar state in Saurashtra. The ruler at that time was one Vibha jam -Uncle of Ranjit Singh the cricketer and Raj gayak was one Aditya Ram, Gohar Jan had also some musical training under Aditya Ram. This matter was reported in Gujarat Samachar by a journalist Joravar Singh Jadav a few years back. This is for the information of Shri Vikram Sampat.
Aaj k famous musicians and singers ko promote krna chahiye iss work ko❤
Today I discovered a new talent in this man. He has done phenomenal work. I can't imagine how much time and energy he dedicated to this project. My god, he is something else. 🤯🤯🤯
Great conversation..such rare infotmation! Loved the 'grandson' hunting for kauhar jan's grave & hospital details 😂
Absolutely brilliant. Thankfully we have people like vikram sir amongst us. Pranams.
Thank you Vikram Sampath for your hard work. Future students of music and music lovers will grateful to you for ever.
Thank you Vinamre for this podcast. Finally Vikram gets to speak about something other than Savarkar and other political historical figure. I wish you had spoken more because Vikram is such a great story teller.
ÀN ARCHIVAL PODCAST ON THE GLORIOUS HISTORY OF INDIAN MUSIC. SHOWS THE REAL PASSION FOR BEING IMMERSED IN ALL THE NUANCES OF MUSIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARTISTS BEHIND THE MUSIC.
A GREART ACHIEVEMENT BY SHRI VIKRAM SAMPATH IN CREATING A MUSICAL ARCHIVE ON INDIAN MUSIC IN THE CLOUD FOR EASY ACCESS TO MUSIC ENTHUSIASTS.
I NEVER KNEW THAT SUCH AN ARCHIVE EXISTED.
This is a real eye openener. Thanks for this veru enlighting podcast . MR Vikram Sampat is a gift who keeps giving ... Thanks for your dedication to your passion sir 🙏
What an amazing and insightful conversation! Thank you Vikram Sampath. 🙏🙏
Salute to Vikram bhai for the great documentation effort. India has so much treasures of different kinds, but longitudinal documentation of those are largely missing. Performing arts are particularly neglected. Thanks for this beautiful vdo.
Indeed a noble work from Dr Vikram Sampath born out of his distinct passion to uncovering history .. Kudos to him!!
Thank you Sir...!! For your hard work and intense research ..🙏
“India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great-grandmother of tradition.”
Amazing efforts by Vikram Sampath for preserving such rich musical heritage.
Truly multi faceted awe inspiring personality! Enlightened in the real sense 🎉
Lovely discussion
What depth of knowledge.
Thank you for documenting so many hidden facts.
Best wishes.
Deepest respect for Dr Vikram Sampath!
Dr. Vikram Sampath is an enigma a brilliant one! Everyday is a pleasant revelation for us. Always happy to hear about him ❤
Such a great work done by Vikram Sampath
How do you feel to be in presence of greatness...
Salute to dr sampath 🫡
Great work Vikram bhai.. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🌹🌹❤️❤️
God bless you Vinamre. Could not have expected it from any podcaster but u did it ! Hats off!
I amazed by knowing abt Berlin's national Archives
He is Anil Kumble of Indian History like a Wall.
Great work
Very nice interview. Very insightful.. Appreciate both
A enjoyable video. Thanks to the uploaded.
The guest is erudite & eloquent.
The host, despite slipping in some phrases of self-praise about his deep knowledge of music, hasn't heard an original recording of K L Saigal and feels that Lata Mangeshkar only became popular only from 1960.
Thank you for this podcast. Most enjoyable and enlightening.
Are our Industrialists support him in his endeavours who are very generous to foreign universities which are blatantly anti Indian, other than our dear Mohandas Pai?
Too good.🎉 It was very interesting and informative.. Thanks to both of you.
Came across this wonderful conversation. Loved Vikram and his efforts! Not sure about the hosting skills though.
Appreciate your efforts Vikram. Much needed historical information.
It’s true that our history has been neglected. We have so many such things which are not there…
I’ve had the opportunity to visit some of the great musicians’ places and these places are not even known to the neighbours…
Or tried to visit some veena instrument makers in Thanjavur famous for the makers of world famous veena and even the localites couldn’t explain location. A society building was in pathetic condition.
There are several other such things. We should work towards protecting and propagating our identities.
Excellent work 👏👏👌👌👍👍
Wow... This was Great!! 👏👏 ty
Excellent conversation on music of yesteryears.
first podcast of this channel worth listening to!
There r many
Vikram Sampath we love you!!!
Fascinating!
My God! This Vikram Sampath is beyond brilliant. ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
My goodness, is there anything you do not know Dr. Sampath?? Kudos 👏👏👏👏
What a man he is reading or listing him is such a pleasure
Amazing Podcast
Great insightful podcast
Quite an eye opener 👍
Fascinating..
This is so inspiring 😊
We cannot change our past. We can not change the fact that people act in a certain way. We can not change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude.
I myself have quite a few old records, long play as well as short play
Lovely thats what i needed 🥂🥂
Wonderful
Salute to you, Vikram ji.
Brilliant
Bahut Badiya
Very interesting...btw, Gauhar Jan, India's first music diva, was born in a Jewish family...you can research...✌️...a well known theatre production on her bio has been presented in the Indian metros sm years back...
So fantastic listening to this. I read ‘ my name is Gauhar Jaan’ in 2014 and was mesmerised by the singer as well as the book, I had no idea it would turn out to be ‘the Vikram Sampath’ now! My apologies for not remembering the writer he was years ago! It’s a must read. 🙏🏾
This is awesome ❤ Thankyou for these discussions, love it !
Man wanna join hands .
Love Bharat i.e India🙏.
Youre killing it, vinamre bhaiii! Amazing guests
Put them on youtube
It is so good to listen to Vikaram Sampath sir. Proud son of Bharath
Who is Bharath ?
You can play a 78 rpm record / platter / disc 20:19 on a record player which has setting for speeds with regular stylus
Not a big deal as you make it.
Taken over by Goenka group EMI now Saregama
Lot of BS with regard to technology
A master disc is created on a metal platter then the the shellac is pressed
The master disc has inverted image so that the shellac has the pitted grove.
Please do podcast in hindi 🙏🏻
Ancient Indian knowledge distrubution system had brahmins as living libraraies and documents. And that's why brahmins are considered as the top tier or the jati-varna system.
What generational talent looks like
❤❤❤
You are doing great work,Dr.Vikram Sampat💐🌹💐🌹
ग़ज़ब
Fantastic Conversation 👌
🎉🎉🎉
Do one on Indian Classical Dance, Natya Shastra and connection to Shiva, I am on Odissi dancer and would be happy to help with any queries!
Please mention some songs with tune from 12th Century onwards.
In fact all the film songs of 40s 50s were copy of some Hollywood songs.
Only clasdical literatures had its poetries and some set of tunes.
Soundcloud link
Great one Vikram n Vinarme … it was great to hear !!!!
If a copyright has a validity of 60 years from date of publication, how sa re ga ma claims copy right of all music of hmv, Columbia etc records of pre 1964 ? Can. Shri Dr Vikram Sampat clarify?
I have few old gramaphone records and even old cassette with me.
Let dr sympath speaks please .....interviewer is frequently disturbing asking too many questions
If only the interviwer could have stopped interrupting the speaker
Soo true
Please invite Randeep Hooda for a podcast.🧐🙏🙏👍
bro then please check out ART OF WAVES
Thank you for having him. Fantastic. But can you kindly stop interruption your guests. Damn every line 🙄
Btw dr suresh chandvankar donated 4000 shellacs to nfai pune about a month ago
Vikram and the interviewer are at different wavelengths. The guy does not know what questions to ask to maintain the flow of research of Vikram
tHIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE THE LEAST knowledge about Indian music. His accent and his conversation completely reeks of western thoughts and indoctrination
Mad lad Vikram Sampath.
Thankful to th right wing government such intelligent youngsters are in the limelight
Is he related to Sunil Sampath?
Sai deepak sir k sath 1 podcast ❤ . I learned a lot of things about of RIGHT WING after your podcast thank you for showing this side also initially i watch only dhruv rathee . Now i got others PROSPECTIVE ❤
No need to listen that german propogandist
Sai Deepak a lawyer of india is right person to listen rethar than some nobody living in Germany 😊😊
Watch Kushal Mehra also, with the main focus being the guests he brings.
@@Vivek10010he brought a feminist recently. She was ok with not penalizing a female who has filed a fake Rpe case against a man! 🤡
I have uploaded more than 120 recordings of Goharjan on my youtube channel.
May be a movie should be made on Gauhar Jaan . The script is waiting !!
Bengali stage-play is there with actress Arpita Chatterji and I think the pakeezah heroine is based on her