This is the future of the proper gaming setup. Take it with you to work or elsewhere, then drop that same device into your home setup to continue gaming or work.
@@bm-cy7ek that the switch became a huge succes due to the docking method, if PC can do the same or better in easy of usage, the portable PC business will boom
This videos are so entertaining that I don’t even have the more remote intention of buying a Rog Ally nor a 4090 but here I am, watching the whole thing lol
it's also intriguing for the future scope of these types of technology... with the rise of ARM architecture it means basically that the cpu can become less of a bottleneck in the those handheld consoles. I feel like Nintendo should take the jump on this tech and make it more mainstream. As they are in the unique situation that they have a Handheld console that's generally not dead. If they are able to produce something that can run GTA 6 on even the lowest of the lows in a mobile form and farily decent at its Plugged in form.. i think they have a chance to make an extremely great value proposition if they do it at a good price.
nah, a PHONE-type dock is the future imagine needing only your phone and not having to bother with anything else, you just come home and dock it and play game on your 100 inch tv in 8k 600hz or even better a phone that unfolds from 5 inch to 100 inches (magically ofc) so you dont even need a dock or tv/pc monitor, only a mouse and keyboard
I'm already planning to build the smallest PC with the Minisforum bd790i and then to build a docking station with a full size GPU when I need it. So indeed, this is the future I see it too.
I've been waiting for someone to do it. I don't get which it's' not happened yet. It'd basically just be an eGPU enclosure with a dock stuck on the side of it.
@@faustinpippin9208 A phone wouldn't have any joycons or controller aspects to it, so it would fail as a handheld. It's also a lot thinner, so the CPU would be a lot weaker. Not to mention smaller battery life and storage capability.
Kids in 2004: "Hey look! I just got this neat little graphics card to plug into my PC!" Kids in 2024: "Hey look! I just got this neat little PC to plug into my graphics card!" 😂❤
@@F..511 I'm using a Razer Core X I got off ebay for $200. It's a pretty sweet experience. It's not perfect due to a small handful of games not liking the bandwidth limit of usb4. I've only had issues with 1 game, and that was Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. It works great for everything else I've tried. For example, I can play Call of Duty in 4k max settings, and get 60 fps.
Linus no longer comes up with ideas. He's taken video ideas from DAWIDbuildsstuff and other even smaller channels. They struggle to build Budget Pcs nowdays because they just don't know how. and their writers are very disconnected from how the tech world really is moving. they rely heavily on other media outlets to catch up with latest trends and news too. except for the obvious stuff like CPU and GPU releases or unstable 14th gen intel..
@SSSDarkgaming ill probably always still love the deck with its controller options the pads and buttons on the back but im super excited to get a rog one day. tho idk if I should put my money and time into a actually pc or the rog idk im new to pc gaming in general.
Nice video / setup ! You should try real full USB4 eGPU like ADT-link UT3G, bandwidth is 3600 where TB3/TB4 can't go past 2600-2700 and with much better latency coz it's PCIE GEN4 instead of GEN3. Got much better result in game without stutter with my flow X13 2023 + USB4 ADT-Link + RTX 4090 ;)
@ETA there are eGPU docks like the ADT-Link UT3G that are much more modern than the Razer Core board and can deliver 4x PCIe4 speeds over USB4v1, with only about 7-10% perf loss. The razer core (or any TB3) is closer to 20-30% loss. And for comparison an Oculink dock is about 3-5% perf loss, but it is not hot-swappable. I'll take 10% over convenience any day.
I'm one of the people who got an og ROG Ally with the proprietary RTX 4090m eGPU. Had a good time but I decided to just get an actual desktop if I'm gonna leave it plugged in, so I bought a top of the line i9 14900k RTX 4090 desktop PC from Starforge Systems, and it's truly a game changer.
its too bad you didn't go AMD Chip on that PC. While Intel finally coming out with fixes its too late for a lot of people. Hopefully your machine is doing fine. But a lot of those intel chips are randomly crashing and having other issues and the AMD RYZEN X3D chips are much better for gaming if that is your use case.
@@Bulladin989 Yeah my machine is doing great. Already did a bios update a little over a month ago. The desktop itself as of this moment is only like 6 months old so there isn't an issue, and Starforge Systems even extended warranty for those effected by 4 whole years.
Same thing with me have an OG ally with the 4090 xg,I would like to upgrade to the X but it loses that propieretary plug with the XG mobile and just becomes a paper weight,I still love the thing tho im able to play Ready or Not-Starship troopers extermination-First Decendant very comfortably Ps. Also built a PC lol got the coveted AMD 7800x3d with a 4070ti super
Would be interesting to see with an older gen GPU Like an RTX 2070 Super. They are quite affordable (in used markets) for a good price to performance. 10:25
What I was curious about, and your Timespy score shows it a bit, was that if you are docked to an external GPU, would disabling the iGPU free up additional overhead and power for the CPU to utilize itself more efficiently. If all settings were compared completely equal... CPU Score with External GPU = 9,168 CPU Score without External GPU = 7,664 That's almost a 20% CPU performance bump, so docked with an external GPU to free up resources for the CPU is more than JUST a graphical power bump!
It makes sense right? Because even cranked all the way up, you now have 30+w of power just for the CPU and not split between the CPU and iGPU. I've thought for awhile, AMD would be better off building a 6 Core / 12 Thread CPU with a 890M. That would be a monster of a Gaming CPU/iGPU. Unfortunately, every 6c seems to only come with something like a x60M iGPU which has less GPU cores. I would think reducing the CPU power requirements would allow for more power to the iGPU (see how well the Steamdeck does with its only 4c).... Sort of the inverse of this.
@@paulbeers4105 It's one of those things that "makes sense" but at the same time, I'm happy to have seen empirical evidence of it. I was wondering if even the power split between CPU and iGPU was still limited in some way and that disabling the iGPU wasn't going to really have an affect or not due to other limits I may not have known. It's just good to have your gut feeling verified. :D
Ive got the orara dock arriving today to do just this on with my 4090. Currently was limited to my rx 6600 since it fits in my 2016 razer core. ETA, you really need to start disabling the integrated screen when doing these benchmarks. Ill be able to test it myself, but feeding back that image to the integrated display takes up bandwidth on the usb4, even when also using a separate display.
@@faustinpippin9208 'It's only $600 guys! That's such a good deal!.' You, among everyone who bought a 3090TI before or a 4090 now have been played by the corpo as gullible fools. ... Remembering when the top-of-the-line enthusiast GPUs back in the GTX pascal era used to cost around $750 max.
@@faustinpippin9208 I don't think you are in the top 5% then ;)if you are, just the time you are thinking about or watching this video would be enough to cover this purchase
@@michaelh9 you underestimate the privlage of being a europoor, literaly 90% of my salary goes towards taxes and the rest is "eaten up" by my wife and kids
As others have mentioned I'd really like to see the 4060 with the Ally X. Something like the SGW Zone eGPU, could be very enticing. Only problem I could see with that eGPU is the ability to find MXM GPUs to upgrade to, that is if the company doesn't provide them.
7:23 disable resizable bar using Nvidia profile inspector to help with the stuttering. Resizable bars in naval by default in the Nvidia profile despite the fact that the EGPU cannot utilize it over thunderbolt. This helped me get returnal from playing at 40 frames per second with stuttering up to 60 frames per second with no issue. There are only about 30 games or so that have resizable bar on by default. Spider-Man is one of them
Awesome video! I thought you could plug the monitor into the GPU? This should alleviate the bandwidth issue. There are some examples of this providing far better performance with the Ally 1st gen running into the XGMobile and the XG pushing out to the monitor.
Great video. I recently got a Razer Core X Chroma paired with a RTX 4070 Super so that would be good to see testec on the ROG Ally X. The part of the video where you explain testing bandwidth of USB 4 and Thunderbolt connected to an eGPU is really useful. I paired my Razer Core X Chroma with a Dell XPS 17 9700 and I am see significant stuttering problems with games like F1 2020 so your testing tips are going to help!. I am tempted to get a 2nd generation of one of these devices to pair to my eGPU setup next year. Thanks for all your videos - I am a big fan and regular watcher!
I’m hoping that ASUS moving over to USB4 will motivate them to make eGPUs with NVIDIA cards inside! At minimum I’d love to see this paired with a 4060.. it also would be nice to see a video from you pairing a 4060 with this eGPU set up.
It would be interesting to see what is the ideal eGPU setup where you don't leave too much performance on the table. Probably a RTX3080 with a USB4.0 dock. Would be a cool test to compare performance with lower end GPU's to find the sweet spot. You are leaving too much performance on the table with a 4090. Cool video though.
maybe I’m crazy but I feel like it’s slowly all starting to come together. the Wii U demonstrates how a low latency video signal can be emitted between its console and the Gamepad screen, or, system to screen. Nintendo Switch proves ARM gaming is powerful enough to appeal to mainstream audiences while also introducing the idea of a docking, portable computer to the mainstream. and then Samsung comes out with Dex for the S8 and then I think on the Tab S6 or 7, demonstrating how an ARM platform can function like a PC, though still limited by Android’s app compatibility. and then Apple comes out with their M1 Macbooks and Macs, and successfully introducing ARM based PCs to audiences, at least here to North American audiences. Meanwhile, iPad gains one or two PC like features here and there, and then Apple even lets iPad apps run on M chip Macs. and then the Steam Deck comes out, and it uses Proton, a compatibility layer that takes Windows games (yk, programs) and lets them run in a Linux environment. and then Windows 11 even lets you emulate Android, which is Linux based. Maybe in the future, it will be possible to run Android apps on an ARM based Windows device like M chip Macs do. and then that’ll be it. all the technology should be there to make the ultimate computer. it would be this iPad sized device that has an attachable keyboard, letting you use it as comfortably as a tablet, or attaching the keyboard to become your computer again. it would have the ability to wirelessly connect to a second screen to have extra screen for a dual monitor setup, or you can physically attach it to a GPU dock, unlocking the devices full potential, and also boosted performance coming from the dock. though the device in its base form would be more than powerful enough for most people’s needs. The dock purpose is to provide the most amount of power out of the device for the best gaming, or work experience you’d need. maybe we’re still far away from that kind of device but I would definitely say that all the technology is finally starting to get to a point where it can be feasible
@@Patrick-y4d1zI could make a 1440p 7900XTX benchmark video with the ROG Ally X if you wanted me to. It actually runs really well. At 4k Ultra FSR2.1 Balanced I get 67fps average in Cyberpunk 2077. Forza Horizon 5 also does good in Exteme Preset at 4k. I think the 7900XTX ROG Ally X combo could be a decent portable gaming setup.
I think probably the ideal GPU you could pair with the Ally X would be the 4060 SFF. Not sure if you still have the card you did a video on it like a year ago Mostly because of it's low power consumption, which along with the smaller size of the card, the lower power means a smaller PSU. I think a TFX PSU is about the same size as the card. A small lil 3d printed eGPU case would be a nice lil kit that you could put in a backpack with a 61 key keyboard, a mouse, and a portable 144hz monitor. The eGPU is the only part that'd be expensive, aside from the obvious cost of the 4060 SFF that you can get new for $350ish or if you take your time on ebay I bought one for $270. It would be nice to set up in a hotel and of course you could play on the handheld on the plane.
when price goes lower then it would make sense to me to equip it with 4060 with DLSS 3+ with frame gen and try to replace it with PS5, on top of that more of frame gen features available, this sounds good
One thing I'd like to see is if an Arc eGPU, like an A380, could be used so you could use QSV in OBS. I bet there's a bunch of Twitch/Kick/TH-cam streamers who would like to use a ROG Ally as a streaming PC. I've tried using my non-extreme Ally as a streaming PC and while it works quite well in CPU encoding while the fan goes FFFFFF, the iGPU encoder in there is unacceptable.
this video makes no sense. USB4 is a fantastic connection. for 4k gaming, over eGPU 3080ti/4070/4080/4090 all work great with these Z1 extreme handhelds. these are not overkill, at all.
In my case it's just more convenient than having a desktop. I want to keep my data on one device, sacrificing performance outside my house or at bed/bathroom relax.
It'd be great in a situation where you don't already have a PC, or you could sell the PC parts but keep the GPU if you use your desktop less. So you can have the portability of the Ally and still have a place to dock where you can keep similar desktop performance. I'll probably end up switching to something similar in the future. Have a handheld for on the go, keep an EGPU in the office room so I can plug in and get desktop like performance. Rather than going all in on a desktop and only being able to use it in that room.
Love your videos it got me to order the onexplayer x1 mini with the EGPU. Is there any kind for dock you recommend for the onexplayer x1 mini for playing on a large tv?
There is one faster Dock. The ADT-Link UT3G it connects the GPU with pcie4x4 to the Thunderbolt/USB4 Port instead of PCIE3x4 as your Dock. I Use it with my Legion Go and Framework Laptop. The only Downside is, that the UT3G can not charge the Host Device and it has no Case.
I would like to have a switch-like setup for Windows handheld consoles with docking stations powered by at least a laptop GPU (4070m is totally enough for the majority of the games even in 1440p with FSR/DLSS)
Try it with a more down to earth gpu. 4070 or 4060ti. It would be very interesting to see as the total cost of such a pc would probably be equivalent to this handheld/gpu combo. Edit: the 3060 you mention would be good to see as well, up if you are up for it. Thanks
Now this is the real query. I wonder if it's because of the plug & play nature of USB4 that might have a smooth transition why it's not opted for widely.
Got rid of my ally and have a 18" Asus laptop with a 4080 now and 7950X3D/4090 desktop. I would have kept the ally if I could have put a egpu under the coffee table. Always played it plugged in on my spot on the couch.
Hey Prime! I am wondering if there's been a way that you can use your desktop GPU - that is running inside of another computer- as a "docked GPU" through USB or thunderbolt, or even wireless through network? I know of steam link and its great stuff. But are there other options that are a much more direct link?
You should test it with some lower powered gpus people might have sitting in an old build or in a closet. My old PC has a 1070 in it, I'm wondering if it's even worth considering
Considering a pcie4x4 like the Adt-Link UT3G but also the CPU bottleneck, what would be the lowest one could go with a GPU to get these results? The 4090 was clearly not being used to its full potential here, so a smaller and/or older GPU could have this same results with a higher percentage of usage, while being way cheaper
I wonder if there's gonna be a huge performance difference between connecting to a 4060 vs 4090 because of the bottleneck... I mean, i will never buy a 4090 for this, but a 4060 (especially a portable one like the SGWZONE 4060) seem more likely.
I'm very disappointed we practically still don't have Thunderbolt 5 or even USB4 V2 devices in 2024 and there is little hope for 2025. When such connectivity features are integrated to the SOC (as opposed to using an optional discrete controller), it drives up adoption and speeds up availability of peripheral devices in the market. We need more bandwidth than Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 can provide.
Just a comedically oversized GPU, bigger than the actual console. It's actually hilarious, I love it. I can honestly picture people walking around with, like, the GPU attached to their belt while they play with it. The console. And everybody just staring at them, like, with... The Apple Vision Pro.This is what I imagine a PC designed by Monty Python would look like.
The biggest hassle is when you switch from a dock to integrated gpu the game boots with ultra settings and it struggles to change them. Someone needs to develope a program that easily lets you switch config settings for games for when you use an egpu then switch to integrated.
realy cool setup! it's just it does not help the asus rog ally owners like me - asus just did not make anything like affordable docking over the XG Mobile connector - so ...
so the best that the z1x can do without bottleneck is the rtx3060? I might just wait for the Ally 2. hoping we get better usb pass through and a better chip?
This is the future of the proper gaming setup. Take it with you to work or elsewhere, then drop that same device into your home setup to continue gaming or work.
it's a nintendo switch concept basicly
@@light3267 Nintendo Switch ripped off tablets, whats your point?
@@bm-cy7ek that the switch became a huge succes due to the docking method, if PC can do the same or better in easy of usage, the portable PC business will boom
Agree with portable PC business boom,
@@light3267 coupled with the ease of use of the steam deck and we've got some winning advertisements for this type of setup!
Just the GPU is bigger than the entire console 😂
and tdp is like 450w compared to the ally x 30w 😂😢
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I mean, yes, but I still like consoles a little bit just depends what kind of games
Maaan I know right lmfaoooo! 💀💀💀
Perfect for airports and shopping mall🤷♂️
This videos are so entertaining that I don’t even have the more remote intention of buying a Rog Ally nor a 4090 but here I am, watching the whole thing lol
Agreed. It's great if only as proof of concept.
Bet this setup favors some folks too.
it defeats both purpose, performance for the 4090 and portability for rog ally. But the fact that you can DO this, its amazing.
it's also intriguing for the future scope of these types of technology... with the rise of ARM architecture it means basically that the cpu can become less of a bottleneck in the those handheld consoles. I feel like Nintendo should take the jump on this tech and make it more mainstream. As they are in the unique situation that they have a Handheld console that's generally not dead. If they are able to produce something that can run GTA 6 on even the lowest of the lows in a mobile form and farily decent at its Plugged in form.. i think they have a chance to make an extremely great value proposition if they do it at a good price.
Finally tried it with the egpu, now I don't need to build a PC anymore.😁
A switch-type dock with a eGPU bay built into it will be the future.
nah,
a PHONE-type dock is the future
imagine needing only your phone and not having to bother with anything else, you just come home and dock it and play game on your 100 inch tv in 8k 600hz
or even better
a phone that unfolds from 5 inch to 100 inches (magically ofc) so you dont even need a dock or tv/pc monitor, only a mouse and keyboard
@@faustinpippin9208 samsung dex and its shit
I'm already planning to build the smallest PC with the Minisforum bd790i and then to build a docking station with a full size GPU when I need it.
So indeed, this is the future I see it too.
I've been waiting for someone to do it. I don't get which it's' not happened yet.
It'd basically just be an eGPU enclosure with a dock stuck on the side of it.
@@faustinpippin9208
A phone wouldn't have any joycons or controller aspects to it, so it would fail as a handheld. It's also a lot thinner, so the CPU would be a lot weaker. Not to mention smaller battery life and storage capability.
Kids in 2004: "Hey look! I just got this neat little graphics card to plug into my PC!"
Kids in 2024: "Hey look! I just got this neat little PC to plug into my graphics card!"
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I was doing it in 1999 with the Voodoo 3 AGP!
@@starblaiz1986 Kids in 1985: blow it out, put it back in, hit power.
Got my 3080 for $400. Super happy using it as an egpu with my Legion Go.
@@anjabenn how is the experience and how did you set it up with the legion go?
Where did you buy the 3080?
@@F..511 I'm using a Razer Core X I got off ebay for $200. It's a pretty sweet experience. It's not perfect due to a small handful of games not liking the bandwidth limit of usb4. I've only had issues with 1 game, and that was Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. It works great for everything else I've tried. For example, I can play Call of Duty in 4k max settings, and get 60 fps.
@@danteramiro8651 considering he got it for $400, it's likely used since that's what 3080 goes for these days
That GPU sucks, 10gb vram. Lol.
Im surprised someone else did this before linus
He's probably still busy playing Mario plumber in the basement ;)
@@CultOfMU🤣
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Linus no longer comes up with ideas. He's taken video ideas from DAWIDbuildsstuff and other even smaller channels. They struggle to build Budget Pcs nowdays because they just don't know how. and their writers are very disconnected from how the tech world really is moving. they rely heavily on other media outlets to catch up with latest trends and news too. except for the obvious stuff like CPU and GPU releases or unstable 14th gen intel..
I remember that some people connect the monitor directly to the GPU to alleviate the bandwidth issue
Agreed. There is a sensitive difference between monitor plugged and laptop monitor.
Don't get me wrong, I love Valve and my SD, but these options are a game changer for me.
@@fat3lwound same here I just got the ally x from my steam deck
@@SSSDarkgaming I’ll be picking one up this week. I want to see for myself what the hype is about. lol
@@fat3lwound you will enjoy it !
@SSSDarkgaming ill probably always still love the deck with its controller options the pads and buttons on the back but im super excited to get a rog one day. tho idk if I should put my money and time into a actually pc or the rog idk im new to pc gaming in general.
8:37 LMAO , lara dying in the benchmark 😂😂😂😂😂
@@JoshuaG 😂😂😂
Nice video / setup ! You should try real full USB4 eGPU like ADT-link UT3G, bandwidth is 3600 where TB3/TB4 can't go past 2600-2700 and with much better latency coz it's PCIE GEN4 instead of GEN3. Got much better result in game without stutter with my flow X13 2023 + USB4 ADT-Link + RTX 4090 ;)
This is really interesting. I would also love to see performance differences. It is known razer core is old and UT3G is the best so far.
Even used XG Mobiles are selling at retail price. It’s dumb.
thankfully there's a project to reverse engineer the XG Mobile port so OG Ally Z1/Z1 Extreme owners can join in on the fun
@@formerlycringeI'm lost they already have the port
@@chriswright8074 someone made a project that allows one to create a custom eGPU utilizing the XG-Mobile port, but the project is still in its infancy
8:38 LOOOOL
I've run that benchmark probably a million times by now and I have NEVER seen that happen.
@ETA there are eGPU docks like the ADT-Link UT3G that are much more modern than the Razer Core board and can deliver 4x PCIe4 speeds over USB4v1, with only about 7-10% perf loss. The razer core (or any TB3) is closer to 20-30% loss. And for comparison an Oculink dock is about 3-5% perf loss, but it is not hot-swappable. I'll take 10% over convenience any day.
@@dogoku not hot swappable means you can't turn your PC on and the the egpu right?
@@manojlds yes exactly. Oculink eGPU requires to turn off the laptop. USB4 is plug-n-play, no restart required
I would love to see like the 7800xt or 7900xt paired with the ally at 1440p
I have a 7840u laptop with a 7900XT eGPU. It works fantastic
@@dogoku Is it enough to run at a stable 60 at 1440p?
@@tomassukelovic5888 depends on what game but some yes.
Can u do a comparison video of Ally 1 + XG Mobile and Ally X + eGPU?
That's what I'd asked too
the e gpu is better bro, xg mobile is a rtx 4090 mobile gpu. its pretty equivalent to 4080
Portable and low powered pc, with desktops docking, and egpu just for gaming, as a console, it's the future
I'm one of the people who got an og ROG Ally with the proprietary RTX 4090m eGPU. Had a good time but I decided to just get an actual desktop if I'm gonna leave it plugged in, so I bought a top of the line i9 14900k RTX 4090 desktop PC from Starforge Systems, and it's truly a game changer.
@@ArcueidBrunestuddo I’m currently taking my chances on a 4090 laptop. If it can’t perform I think I’m leaning towards getting a maxed out PC.
its too bad you didn't go AMD Chip on that PC. While Intel finally coming out with fixes its too late for a lot of people. Hopefully your machine is doing fine. But a lot of those intel chips are randomly crashing and having other issues and the AMD RYZEN X3D chips are much better for gaming if that is your use case.
@@Bulladin989 I’ve had zero issues with my 14900K, owned it for about a month now
@@Bulladin989 Yeah my machine is doing great. Already did a bios update a little over a month ago. The desktop itself as of this moment is only like 6 months old so there isn't an issue, and Starforge Systems even extended warranty for those effected by 4 whole years.
Same thing with me have an OG ally with the 4090 xg,I would like to upgrade to the X but it loses that propieretary plug with the XG mobile and just becomes a paper weight,I still love the thing tho im able to play Ready or Not-Starship troopers extermination-First Decendant very comfortably
Ps. Also built a PC lol got the coveted AMD 7800x3d with a 4070ti super
Would be interesting to see with an older gen GPU Like an RTX 2070 Super. They are quite affordable (in used markets) for a good price to performance. 10:25
8:36 "Have you heard of the High Elves?"
Bob Ross of handheld gaming! love your videos!
What I was curious about, and your Timespy score shows it a bit, was that if you are docked to an external GPU, would disabling the iGPU free up additional overhead and power for the CPU to utilize itself more efficiently. If all settings were compared completely equal...
CPU Score with External GPU = 9,168
CPU Score without External GPU = 7,664
That's almost a 20% CPU performance bump, so docked with an external GPU to free up resources for the CPU is more than JUST a graphical power bump!
It makes sense right? Because even cranked all the way up, you now have 30+w of power just for the CPU and not split between the CPU and iGPU. I've thought for awhile, AMD would be better off building a 6 Core / 12 Thread CPU with a 890M. That would be a monster of a Gaming CPU/iGPU. Unfortunately, every 6c seems to only come with something like a x60M iGPU which has less GPU cores. I would think reducing the CPU power requirements would allow for more power to the iGPU (see how well the Steamdeck does with its only 4c).... Sort of the inverse of this.
@@paulbeers4105 It's one of those things that "makes sense" but at the same time, I'm happy to have seen empirical evidence of it. I was wondering if even the power split between CPU and iGPU was still limited in some way and that disabling the iGPU wasn't going to really have an affect or not due to other limits I may not have known. It's just good to have your gut feeling verified. :D
Ive got the orara dock arriving today to do just this on with my 4090. Currently was limited to my rx 6600 since it fits in my 2016 razer core.
ETA, you really need to start disabling the integrated screen when doing these benchmarks. Ill be able to test it myself, but feeding back that image to the integrated display takes up bandwidth on the usb4, even when also using a separate display.
This is gold
Agree, considerable amount of bandwidth to send back display signal
Performance is way better than I expected. These are the future console killers.
While the consoles cost 400 dollars only.
I have a ps5 but I know the handheld is better than the console
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@@jacksonrazorback5626 let's play sons of the forest on your console
Sure, the GPU alone buys 2 or 4 consoles but sure, a killer...
Ah yes the console killer with the cost of just 4 consoles
@ETA For Horizon try turning ReBAR off if you have it enabled. It has known issues with eGPUs and ReBAR
The XGM 4090 is only $1,580 rn and I'm tempted to upgrade my 6850M. OG Ally has 60gbps to handle it. I also got a Flow X16 as well.
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"only" lol you people in NA have it really easy,
i live in Austria and im in the top 5% in income and i still cant justify this price...
@@faustinpippin9208 'It's only $600 guys! That's such a good deal!.'
You, among everyone who bought a 3090TI before or a 4090 now have been played by the corpo as gullible fools.
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Remembering when the top-of-the-line enthusiast GPUs back in the GTX pascal era used to cost around $750 max.
@@faustinpippin9208 I don't think you are in the top 5% then ;)if you are, just the time you are thinking about or watching this video would be enough to cover this purchase
@@michaelh9 you underestimate the privlage of being a europoor, literaly 90% of my salary goes towards taxes and the rest is "eaten up" by my wife and kids
As others have mentioned I'd really like to see the 4060 with the Ally X. Something like the SGW Zone eGPU, could be very enticing. Only problem I could see with that eGPU is the ability to find MXM GPUs to upgrade to, that is if the company doesn't provide them.
I wish the next gen consoles have this kind for expandability. Imagine a PS6 with an external GPU with a 350watt TDP.
Thats cool! Now all you need is a car battery and an inverter and you have a really nice portable PC 😂
😂😂 you'd be lucky to get an hours use out of a car battery with that power draw
i’m impressed by your consistent delivery of excellent content!
7:23 disable resizable bar using Nvidia profile inspector to help with the stuttering. Resizable bars in naval by default in the Nvidia profile despite the fact that the EGPU cannot utilize it over thunderbolt. This helped me get returnal from playing at 40 frames per second with stuttering up to 60 frames per second with no issue. There are only about 30 games or so that have resizable bar on by default. Spider-Man is one of them
Disabling the ROG's display should remove some stutters.
Awesome video! I thought you could plug the monitor into the GPU? This should alleviate the bandwidth issue. There are some examples of this providing far better performance with the Ally 1st gen running into the XGMobile and the XG pushing out to the monitor.
don't get me wrong but i recommend just connect the monitor cable to the gpu and your bandwidth should be strong
Wtf just realized I’m not subbed 😮 going to sub because you have been a stable of the ROG community ❤
Please compare the performance of the Egpu vs the XG mobile…
A 4090 over thunderbolt vs XG mobile 4090
TB3 has less bandwidth than the XG Mobile, so it gets less performance.
It would be interesting to know performance with different GPUs. 20- and 30-series also. What models to avoid or prefer in different series etc.
Great video. I recently got a Razer Core X Chroma paired with a RTX 4070 Super so that would be good to see testec on the ROG Ally X.
The part of the video where you explain testing bandwidth of USB 4 and Thunderbolt connected to an eGPU is really useful. I paired my Razer Core X Chroma with a Dell XPS 17 9700 and I am see significant stuttering problems with games like F1 2020 so your testing tips are going to help!.
I am tempted to get a 2nd generation of one of these devices to pair to my eGPU setup next year.
Thanks for all your videos - I am a big fan and regular watcher!
Great video ! Really helped me with some decisions
I’m hoping that ASUS moving over to USB4 will motivate them to make eGPUs with NVIDIA cards inside! At minimum I’d love to see this paired with a 4060.. it also would be nice to see a video from you pairing a 4060 with this eGPU set up.
It would be interesting to see what is the ideal eGPU setup where you don't leave too much performance on the table. Probably a RTX3080 with a USB4.0 dock. Would be a cool test to compare performance with lower end GPU's to find the sweet spot. You are leaving too much performance on the table with a 4090. Cool video though.
These are the videos I love. “What happens when you put a 4090 on an ally x😂”
maybe I’m crazy but I feel like it’s slowly all starting to come together. the Wii U demonstrates how a low latency video signal can be emitted between its console and the Gamepad screen, or, system to screen. Nintendo Switch proves ARM gaming is powerful enough to appeal to mainstream audiences while also introducing the idea of a docking, portable computer to the mainstream. and then Samsung comes out with Dex for the S8 and then I think on the Tab S6 or 7, demonstrating how an ARM platform can function like a PC, though still limited by Android’s app compatibility. and then Apple comes out with their M1 Macbooks and Macs, and successfully introducing ARM based PCs to audiences, at least here to North American audiences. Meanwhile, iPad gains one or two PC like features here and there, and then Apple even lets iPad apps run on M chip Macs. and then the Steam Deck comes out, and it uses Proton, a compatibility layer that takes Windows games (yk, programs) and lets them run in a Linux environment. and then Windows 11 even lets you emulate Android, which is Linux based. Maybe in the future, it will be possible to run Android apps on an ARM based Windows device like M chip Macs do.
and then that’ll be it. all the technology should be there to make the ultimate computer. it would be this iPad sized device that has an attachable keyboard, letting you use it as comfortably as a tablet, or attaching the keyboard to become your computer again. it would have the ability to wirelessly connect to a second screen to have extra screen for a dual monitor setup, or you can physically attach it to a GPU dock, unlocking the devices full potential, and also boosted performance coming from the dock. though the device in its base form would be more than powerful enough for most people’s needs. The dock purpose is to provide the most amount of power out of the device for the best gaming, or work experience you’d need.
maybe we’re still far away from that kind of device but I would definitely say that all the technology is finally starting to get to a point where it can be feasible
I just bought a 7900XTX with a GPU dock and case for my ROG Ally X.
Just want to play 1440p at max settings.
Yeah, I wish he'd shown it at 1440p as that's what most monitors are nowadays.
@@Patrick-y4d1zI could make a 1440p 7900XTX benchmark video with the ROG Ally X if you wanted me to.
It actually runs really well. At 4k Ultra FSR2.1 Balanced I get 67fps average in Cyberpunk 2077. Forza Horizon 5 also does good in Exteme Preset at 4k.
I think the 7900XTX ROG Ally X combo could be a decent portable gaming setup.
I think probably the ideal GPU you could pair with the Ally X would be the 4060 SFF. Not sure if you still have the card you did a video on it like a year ago
Mostly because of it's low power consumption, which along with the smaller size of the card, the lower power means a smaller PSU. I think a TFX PSU is about the same size as the card.
A small lil 3d printed eGPU case would be a nice lil kit that you could put in a backpack with a 61 key keyboard, a mouse, and a portable 144hz monitor. The eGPU is the only part that'd be expensive, aside from the obvious cost of the 4060 SFF that you can get new for $350ish or if you take your time on ebay I bought one for $270. It would be nice to set up in a hotel and of course you could play on the handheld on the plane.
when price goes lower then it would make sense to me to equip it with 4060 with DLSS 3+ with frame gen and try to replace it with PS5, on top of that more of frame gen features available, this sounds good
One thing I'd like to see is if an Arc eGPU, like an A380, could be used so you could use QSV in OBS. I bet there's a bunch of Twitch/Kick/TH-cam streamers who would like to use a ROG Ally as a streaming PC. I've tried using my non-extreme Ally as a streaming PC and while it works quite well in CPU encoding while the fan goes FFFFFF, the iGPU encoder in there is unacceptable.
We already have good egpus, it's just that usb 4 sucks for that purpose ( use an oculink )
Really cool. would a shorter cable make a difference here?
Man sad to see they already discontinued the XG mobile for future handhelds, I sadly bought one…
Pure muscle that GPU for the allay
this video makes no sense. USB4 is a fantastic connection. for 4k gaming, over eGPU 3080ti/4070/4080/4090 all work great with these Z1 extreme handhelds. these are not overkill, at all.
I don't understand the point of having an external GPU on a portable machine anymore.
In my case it's just more convenient than having a desktop. I want to keep my data on one device, sacrificing performance outside my house or at bed/bathroom relax.
It'd be great in a situation where you don't already have a PC, or you could sell the PC parts but keep the GPU if you use your desktop less. So you can have the portability of the Ally and still have a place to dock where you can keep similar desktop performance.
I'll probably end up switching to something similar in the future. Have a handheld for on the go, keep an EGPU in the office room so I can plug in and get desktop like performance. Rather than going all in on a desktop and only being able to use it in that room.
Desktops take a lot of room up.
Love your videos it got me to order the onexplayer x1 mini with the EGPU. Is there any kind for dock you recommend for the onexplayer x1 mini for playing on a large tv?
Could have been a good april fools video 😂 the overkill
There is one faster Dock. The ADT-Link UT3G it connects the GPU with pcie4x4 to the Thunderbolt/USB4 Port instead of PCIE3x4 as your Dock. I Use it with my Legion Go and Framework Laptop. The only Downside is, that the UT3G can not charge the Host Device and it has no Case.
Please make a video of assembling the GPU dock along with the Power supply just a small 1 minute video thankyou for the channel and the videos
How it was connected? Ext. Monitor to eGPU or to Ally directly? this may affect performance
Can you make a video featuring a middle ground build for an external gpu to comfortably fit future gaming handhelds?
I would like to have a switch-like setup for Windows handheld consoles with docking stations powered by at least a laptop GPU (4070m is totally enough for the majority of the games even in 1440p with FSR/DLSS)
Try it with a more down to earth gpu. 4070 or 4060ti. It would be very interesting to see as the total cost of such a pc would probably be equivalent to this handheld/gpu combo.
Edit: the 3060 you mention would be good to see as well, up if you are up for it. Thanks
The next Ally should include oculink. That'd be neat.
Now this is the real query. I wonder if it's because of the plug & play nature of USB4 that might have a smooth transition why it's not opted for widely.
You really should show the 1% fps on this. When using an eGPU, this is the most important thing to look at.
Got rid of my ally and have a 18" Asus laptop with a 4080 now and 7950X3D/4090 desktop. I would have kept the ally if I could have put a egpu under the coffee table. Always played it plugged in on my spot on the couch.
Looking forward to what handhelds are gonna be like 2-4 years from now.
Would like to see a side by side comparison of this to a series x & ps5.
Hey Prime! I am wondering if there's been a way that you can use your desktop GPU - that is running inside of another computer- as a "docked GPU" through USB or thunderbolt, or even wireless through network? I know of steam link and its great stuff. But are there other options that are a much more direct link?
You should test it with some lower powered gpus people might have sitting in an old build or in a closet. My old PC has a 1070 in it, I'm wondering if it's even worth considering
It's amazing that I live in a time where I own a Razor core x, a product which is no longer available.
I would be interested in seeing how lower end GPUs hold up. Maybe like a 3050.
This could be an ideal desktop gaming besides the GPU you'd choose to use with the portablePC. At least more optimzed in the electric it'd need
Considering a pcie4x4 like the Adt-Link UT3G but also the CPU bottleneck, what would be the lowest one could go with a GPU to get these results? The 4090 was clearly not being used to its full potential here, so a smaller and/or older GPU could have this same results with a higher percentage of usage, while being way cheaper
I wonder if there's gonna be a huge performance difference between connecting to a 4060 vs 4090 because of the bottleneck... I mean, i will never buy a 4090 for this, but a 4060 (especially a portable one like the SGWZONE 4060) seem more likely.
nice docking setup
Nintendo should take notes from this
"A bit", huh? Still cool AF. 😁👍 Looks amazing.
Thank you Nintendo for laying the groundwork
Could you test it with a 4070S please Prime?
4070ti super-4080super might be the sweet spot for this console. I think it would run perfect on 1440p
Seeing 3000 Mibs from Host to Device with the ADT-Link UT3G USB 4 and an Apple TB4 cable
Finally, I've been waiting for this for so long!)
I'm very disappointed we practically still don't have Thunderbolt 5 or even USB4 V2 devices in 2024 and there is little hope for 2025. When such connectivity features are integrated to the SOC (as opposed to using an optional discrete controller), it drives up adoption and speeds up availability of peripheral devices in the market. We need more bandwidth than Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 can provide.
The Ally is impressive good chance I will buy one soon.
at the end of the day, we gamers yearn of desktop pcs...
This is what I imagine high-end gaming would be if it was in a Vaudeville act.😂
Just a comedically oversized GPU, bigger than the actual console. It's actually hilarious, I love it. I can honestly picture people walking around with, like, the GPU attached to their belt while they play with it. The console. And everybody just staring at them, like, with... The Apple Vision Pro.This is what I imagine a PC designed by Monty Python would look like.
Would be great to see you try the full speed usb 4 + pcie r using an ADT-Link
UT3G USB 4 to see how it compares
would perform better on the og ally due to faster connection
Whats the max eGPU you would use with they AllyX since its bottle necked by USB4?
@@MrTheSmokinman I believe 4090
I've never pass 1080p60fps gaming in my life so those look amazing to me
The biggest hassle is when you switch from a dock to integrated gpu the game boots with ultra settings and it struggles to change them. Someone needs to develope a program that easily lets you switch config settings for games for when you use an egpu then switch to integrated.
realy cool setup! it's just it does not help the asus rog ally owners like me - asus just did not make anything like affordable docking over the XG Mobile connector - so ...
this is like hooking a garden hose up to a fire hyrdrant
You say excessive like it's a bad thing....🙌😂❤️
I wouldnt use windows without a mouse/trackpad.. Hopefully ASUS will implement a trackpad on next Ally
so the best that the z1x can do without bottleneck is the rtx3060? I might just wait for the Ally 2. hoping we get better usb pass through and a better chip?
will you be reviewing the ne RTX 2000 SFF Ada Generation? i'm considering a second low power low profile GPU...
Lol, let's get a GPU that could buy you almost 3x of these ROG Ally's for how much one of them costs.
That'll show 'em!
Hey Prime, what is the best external GPU that fits in a decent case for retroid 4 pro?
i think a 4k capable gpu is overlkill, such a setup is better with a 1440p gpu with tv. that would be actually nice