Played this game with my dad watching. He told me that Dutch looks like a man who wants a reason to keep fighting, while Hosea sounds like a man who knows there's never a reason to start a fight.
Your dad sounds like a wise man. And I wholeheartedly agree. Hosea’s character was great and the gang didn’t deserve him. Had he lived long enough to see the end of all of it, I would take him for the man to have shot Dutch. And took the backlash for it. He lived. He loved. He lost. And he wasn’t smart enough in the end to talk an unwinding man out of destroying more lives. He was just as tragic as Arthur in my Opinion.
When Lenny tells Micah "when you go, there'll be a party." He's right. John and Abigail have their wedding right after, it's just another cheaky piece of foreshadowing. I love it.
Arthur’s death probably wasn’t as emotional because you got the bad ending. Watching him drag himself to a spot where he could sit up and then slowly wheeze out his last breaths was incredibly heart-wrenching.
Idk why he reviewed it with the bad ending lmao, also he didn't even give the win to the part where dutch foreshadows what he's going to do by saying "same as you, i suppose" before he shoots micah
Finished the game recently, the way the game just kills him coldly, like any normal person hit so hard, he was there, and then he was gone in an instant, the way Micah killed him silently, just a gunshot and it ends. It’s my favorite ending because of this.
@@sunzoooooooo For me when I played rdr2 I wanted so bad to be awful but honestly, I just couldn't, not to mention interactions felt far more meaningful to me when I was at high honour and I truly felt like in the end, I had redeemed Arthur morgan from an outlaw to a human who helped those in need
@@hiimhunter7649 I was bad until i realised im gonna die soon as arthur so i turned a new leaf. i went from negative honor to full positive honor. it was a good feeling. i connected more with arthurs story when i literally stopped killing innocents alongside his character arc.
I got his honor up after the tuberculosis diagnosis and finally seeing that buck made me happy. He may be a digital character, but he deserves to die knowing he made amends.
RDR 2: If you want good honor don't kill anyone you see, play story missions and make moral decisions. RDO: 0 Honor? No more! Be a bounty hunter and get free honor for tying people up and not killing them! Hell we will even give you more gold and money for bringing them alive!
kind of sad that because of low honor you didn't get to see Arthur's confession to Sister Calderon. that scene is exactly what makes Roger Clark won the award.
@@ETn4606 I know but seeing GW experienced a low honor playthrough while the high honor has so much more content and ideas to talk about kind of disappointing imo
I was a golden boy second time around, took care of all camp challenges/request I could find. Gave half my money to Camp after each chapter except when we were stuck at the Cave one.
if you really appreciate the life of an outlaw, you need to think like an outlaw. Play as a dishonour Arthur first only until he diagnosed himself with TB, then you can play him with high honour. It kinda make sense to the story this way IMO.
@@imanzainudin3024 it’s the only way to play the game. All the dialogue at the start of the game paints Arthur as an asshole even with high honor and the game gives you so much honor at the end of the game it would be pointless to have high honor because it runs the fun of the game only doing good when you can save it for the end.
I love the fact that in the low honor endings the coyote eating the deer is a representation of Arthur's chance for redemption getting choked out by his "nature"
The fact he said he doesn't think Arthur's a good person shows how blind and idiotic he is. Many people in the game said Arthur was a good man, hell even Sadie said she knows he *acts* all cold-blooded but he's really not. The theme of this game is a criminal redeeming himself, that's why this game is called Red Dead *REDEMPTION*
@@thephoenix4093 I have glasses. But I was confused as I saw people footing different endings than me so I thought it was based in how u treated the gang.
@@coolbroccolie6455 Yeah, Arthur's sidequests(especially those at the last chapter) made me love the character waaay more, even though they were way subtle instead of action packed, but it highlighted how much Arthur changed for the better
One detail about Dutch you missed is in the camp ledger. For the upgrades that make the camp nicer, the first upgrade only makes Dutch's tent nicer with the description "Dutch wants something comfier". It's another example of Dutch putting himself over others like 35:46.
@@BLET_55artem55 Dutchs tent: "Dutch wants a better tent." Arthurs Map: "Arthur wants a map to plan journeys." (Or something like that.) The map can be used FOR the gang, the tent is just... Dutchs wants.
@@darthvadercar Upgrading Dutch's tent makes the gang members more likely to donate because it helps boost morals. His intention is probably selfish, but Dutch also realizes that his gang needs to look up to him, so he keeps himself in the highest light.
Apparently, the original actor for Uncle passed away somewhat early in production, so they had to recast. But the scenes with Uncle singing in the house building montage are the original actor for Uncle. It was a beautiful moment in the story and made even more poignant by the revelation that it’s such a touching tribute as well :,)
What makes Arthur’s death extra devastating when you really think about it is how like 30 years later the antibiotics that would have cured him were discovered.
The old west died around 1900. There really weren't that many outlaws in that time so Arthur would've most likely been forced to become a normal citizen or die
I hate that it's a slow death. I expected him to die in a gunfight like John but instead his death is slow, an entire chapter of suffering and trying to save who he can.
@@cb-9938 It gave him time to redeem himself, he'd have died just another outlaw if he didn't have that time but he actually made a difference with the time he had left and that was the point that was made like 20 times in the story
Another thing I noticed is that Arthur's holsters are like a combination of Dutch's and Hosea's. It's practical because he needs his satchel at his side, and it's symbolic as well.
@@Sneakybeakylike920 sometimes it was a semiauto and others it was a pump from what i've read in reddeadwiki and i am sure he used a semiauto on one occasion in one of my playthroughs atleast
I honestly cried when Arthur was laying on the top of that mountain dying and just watching the sun rise. And I almost burst out crying as you heard his last breath leave his body.
I was full on sobbing for the entire last part of Chapter 6: it started during Arthur's Last Ride & didn't stop. I'm playing through the epilogue right now & if Arthur wasn't buried facing west, I will cry again.
I always liked that right at the start of the game Arthur tells Sadie that “we’re bad men.” It shows from the beginning he didn’t suffer from Dutch’s delusions of grandeur. It’s a lot easier to seek redemption when you know you need it, even if it takes him the whole game to realize Dutch ain’t a man deserving of his loyalty.
Here's a nice little detail: when Ross and Milton turn their back to Arthur, you can see him contemplating whether to shoot them judging by his hand, but decides not to because Jack is with him
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 You probably already know but, It's a so called "Sickness" that Uncle has in rdr2. It has become a joke with the community, and now everybody uses this. But no, it's none of these "Deez nuts" jokes.
I was expecting you to notice but alas, no one ever does it seems. I always noticed how when Dutch and the gang return to camp after finding Jack, and he is trying to give his little monologue about how he found Jack, John interrupts him and you can see Dutch's frustration as he hates when anyone interrupts his flair for the dramatic.
When I first played this game, my dad had just had a stroke. He lived, but he had to re-learn how to move his arms and walk properly. It was probably the most difficult time of my life. This game helped me work through all the emotions I had felt during that span of time. Both this game and the situation helped me realize that yes, inevitably, we're all going to die. But while we're here, we need to cherish the ones we love and embrace change. And for those of you wondering, my dad is still here today. He just retired from his teaching job a few weeks ago. And we hope to share many more happy times in the years that follow.
At 58:00 it feels inconsequential because Arthur having low honor and still being a bad man means his death will have no consequences to the world around him and that he was just too far gone to redeem now. That's why we play high honor folks especially in the end where the game gives us so many opportunities to earn honor
I came here to say this... My Arthur basically had max honor and seeing such a good man who really tried to positively affect everyone around him die... hurt like hell. I knew all along something would happen to him because of RDR1 but i was holding out a glimmer of hope that he would be the one to retire in Tahiti
My god I was shocked when I saw that, I've never finished the game with low honor and I've always seen him crawl towards the sunset. Maybe I should try some time but still it feels like doing a disservice to him.
Not to mention the impact you have on strangers that you then meet with john helping them and leaving your mark on them as a good person and going back as john to them is so powerful imo
I played the whole game with high honor, but honestly, I feel like the "true story" asks for the player to keep low honor until the TB diagnosis where Arthur finally decides how he wants to affect the world before dying and start acting selfless.
I think the game works absolutely the best if you play really low honor for the first half until arthur gets his diagnosed, and then turn it around to high honor until he dies. It makes no sense to do the opposite, and its not as immersive if your high honor or low honor from beginning to end.
There’s a specific ending for Arthur where when he dies, it’s quiet, and it’s just him sitting there as the sun comes up, and I think that’s the real ending. Sure, the more brutal ending was more real, viewing Arthur as just another person who dies, but the good ending is just so much more self-reflective and most importantly, cathartic
57:02 Also one of my favorite quotes is when Arthur hands John his hat and satchel with high honor. The way he says "It would mean a lot to me" always gives me chills and it is one of the only times where Arthur is being calm and heartwarming. For example when he is trying to help the Downes family in the side quests he is stressed and trying to tie up the "Loose end" as quickly as possible but when he knows his time is up he is speaking from the heart and trying to save John.
55:41 I love the symbolism Rockstar gave here. Dutch initially aimed his black six shooter at Micah and his ivory white revolver at Arthur, it's obviously clear who the rat is and Dutch knows that. But he chose to ignore it and switches his guns around, pointing the black one at Arthur and the white one at Micah because that's what he CHOSE to believe
Holy shit that’s cool but sad, thinking that Dutch knows Micah is a rat but thinking he’s following him and Arthur is the one against him and symbolising that there, very cool
I showed Red Dead Redemption 2 to my dad and he was first blown away by the graphics, second started asking questions about what you can do in the game (most I could answer yes), and then asked how much it costs. Truly the greatest moment I have had with my dad
John not being able to swim in RDR1 was not actually a "limitation" from an engine standpoint, but their main safeguard against the player entering Mexico too early via crossing the river. Since there are no swimming sections in the game, and barely any water, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to make the reason the player can't go to Mexico too early is because John can't swim. Making it canon actually gives a story reason why he can't as well, codifying it into lore. It's awesome lol
I was lucky that playing through I had never played rdr1 so for me I was seeing dutch with completely fresh eyes and I- fell right into his manipulation. Dutch was like a father figure to me, I loved him with everything I had, I trusted his word, and his betrayal hit like a bag of bricks.
do yourself a favor and give yourself the experience us original fans had. GO back to this game after freshly playing the first game. ALl the dialouge hits completely different in many areas. There is so much that sticks out at you that you wouldn't even think about hearing it with no context. I envy chronological players in a tiny way because the ending of the first game will be even more impactful for you than it was for us seeing an entire journey play out over time. But there still is a very unique experience learning the backstory knowing where the journey leads. That's what makes the writing in this game phenominal. It works amazing as a first self contained story in itself, but it also works amazing for how much you can pull out of it knowing the other game first.
You missed one thing on the gunpoint with the gangs Javier Escuela if i remember that He points his gun up not pointing anyone because he really respects everyone even arthur and john but picked the wrong side
Benjamin Byron Davis has stated that in the final scene on the mountain with Arthur, he recalls stepping off the makeshift stage while Micah yells for him and admitted to crying his eyes out right afterwards. All in all, it hit just as hard for the actors as it did for most players.
The attention to detail in this game is insane. The cutscene at 53:30 seems to use light to show Sadie as really the only one who's still loyal to Arthur as everyone else is in the dark
One of my favourite parts of Dutch’s lies and manipulation is when he kills that woman in Guarma in cold blood, telling Arthur she said she was going to kill them. Not much later, Arthur and Dutch are sneaking past guards speaking Spanish, to which Dutch says he can’t understand them, with Arthur following up with “I thought you said you knew Spanish.”
@@poopdiearheason2426 well, it's actually normal reaction to pull out a knife when some strange american trying to reach your neck with his hands, saying "Just a second..." 🌚🌚
Here is my theory on why Micah wears a white suit: he was a rat before guarma and he set the gang up in the Saint Denis bank robbery and wore a white suit to distinguish himself so he doesn’t get shot
I believe that Micah has ratted out the following: To Pinkertons: The Blackwater job, everything in there. Their new camp and to give a visit to Arthur. Colm O'Driscoll: He told Colm O'Driscoll to make the peace offering, kidnap Arthur, and that he would make sure that he's at that hill. Pinkertons: Their new camp again. Colm O'Driscoll: He kidnapped Kieran and gave him to Colm O'Driscoll to torture and then behead, reveal the camps' location and attack it. Pinkertons: The bank job in Saint Denis. Basically everything afterwards, and changing Dutch into a selfish man instead of the charming leader who would die willingly and happily instead of anyone in the camp. Yes, that includes Strauss being kicked out of the camp and then tortured by Pinkertons to talk, but he died by torture because he never talked. Now, Micah was a rat either ever since he went into Blackwater, or after his rescue in Strawberry. At the point when Arthur was kidnapped by Colm, i knew that the Van Der Linde gang had a rat. A rat working for Pinkertons and Colm O'Driscoll. I was soon after Kieran died convinced that it was Micah. And when Molly died, i knew that she was setup and wouldn't even blink in front of Dutch and his gang. I know that Agent Milton said that Micah was the rat ever since they got out of Guarma, and there are some of these stuff that are excusable, but not the bank job in Saint Denis. He himself said that Molly didn't rat them out about it but was setup, so Micah must have been a rat ever since he went into Blackwater, or even sooner, with the mission to be a full time rat. I know that the gang did draw quite a lot of attention to themselves with Angelo Bronte and in Rhodes with the two families, but that doesn't explain how did the Pinkertons know *that* much about the bank job in Saint Denis. Micah Bell also was the only one to wear full white during the bank job in Saint Denis, likely because he made a deal with Pinkertons not to kill him, and if he's taken, then alive. The Pinkertons then arrested John to make a setup for Dutch Van Der Linde, but he was already gone. How didn't the Pinkertons rescue Micah Bell or setup Arthur when he was arrested in Strawberry? Answer - they didn't know about it yet. Or he was a rat after his rescue. But that doesn't explain the Blackwater tragedy.
@@TheMastermind7259 Genius. Absolutely genius. *However...* Me personally, I like the theory that the Pinkertons, specifically Milton, planted the idea of Micah being the rat to break the gang apart from the Inside because they saw his character and how he acted, so it would be believable. There's Also another theory covered by Cynic, I think, that Abigail was actually the rat.
@@Kyurosaka there's more theories with little or more proof and something against these theories. This just proves that Rockstar Games did a great great job with the story, as well as the characters. Everyone experiences slightly differently. About the possibility that Abigail is the rat, I doubt she would kill Mr. Milton if she was the rat, and then, I haven't played RDR1 yet, but from the RDR2 Epilogue and what I know about RDR1, there's so many doubts and against about her being the rat. The possibility of Mr. Milton just trying to break the gang "from inside" by calling Micah the rat when he's not in reality seems more than just unlikely to me. The Pinkertons know about every single camp the Van Der Linde gang was in, they also know about Micah "changing" Dutch. Micah also has dressed in white, he was the only one in fact, during the Saint Denis bank job. I believe that Micah Bell was the rat, but he was ever since he went into Blackwater like a rat, or when he broke out of Strawberry. About Dutch Van Der Linde and his... change, i have two theories what happened. I haven't played RDR1 yet tho. First theory is that Dutch Van Der Linde simply was a selfish, greedy, manipulative, and horrible man ever since birth. He just couldn't hide his true face ever since Blackwater, especially after Angelo Bronte betrayed him, but even more specifically, every tragedy following (failed Saint Denis bank job, Guarma, his disastrous return, etcetera) that happened in short time. However, I find it more than unbelievable for this to be true. He was so charming to me. So... so... himself. That's Dutch. I believe that the struggle to do anything when he saw Arthur dying and Micah saying that they've "won" and other (how he was tired and the weight of everyone relying on him made him stressed, how the gang members started dying...) made this so unbelievable for me. Otherwise I would be more supportive about this. But, well, he was with Micah Bell afterwards for quite a time... When I found out, I was so shocked and unsure about evething once again. It's very unclear for me. Too foggy. He was under big pressure at these hard times and was struggling when he made the bad decisions (leaving John and Arthur, killing them, going with Micah, leaving Tilly, Abigail and Jack behind...) The second theory is that when Dutch Van Der Linde has hit his head after stealing the trolley station, he started changing and the stress, pressure he experienced turned him around. I am very supportive of this one, especially in comparison with the first theory. The stress, deaths, weight of responsibility crushed him into what he became. Perhaps he had two different personalities all his life, like Two-Face, and when this all caught up with him, he was no longer Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well. And became the greedy manipulator. Micah Bell likely just told him that it's fine that way, and told him what he wants to hear, not that charming leader - but the greedy selfish manipulator. Leading him and showing the path covered with a carpet. It makes more sense to me. Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well was really emotional and caring about his 'family'. The manipulator just said: "It's just a girl". In the end, "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he trully is" is still right. Dutch just had two himselves inside of him, one absolutely diffrent than the other. The "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he really is" is actually true wisdom. The thing is, their true self never changes at all. When they change, that's just themselves. Dutch? He might have became the other himself, the personality that was going to take over during his final straw. The manipulator him has taken over because it saw the opportunity of his stress, responsibilities, that all. Micah told Dutch that it's fine, his other self taking lead and leaving hisself behind. If you're still confused about the true meaning of the wisdom, take multiverse as an example. That rockstar celebrity of yourself is you, and that homeless you is still you.
Man it hits so hard and i cry every time I hear “That’s the way it is” or ”unshaken” because it reminds me of the most honorable badass man to sacrifice himself for his brother (John) to have just a chance to have a life with his family .
I think like most of us we had pretty much one horse through our first play through. Mine was high honor and when Popcorn died I had to pause the game for like an hour .
I think Micah was definitely the rat for 2 two reasons. One, Milton would have nothing to gain by lying as he doesn't plan on anyone but himself getting out of there alive. Secondly, when they're fighting alone, Arthur calls Micah a rat and Micah replies with "I'm a survivor, black lung." So he doesn't deny it, he reframes it as survival.
And years later when you encounter him as John on top of Mount Hagen there’s a literal rat that passes by the door of his shack when you arrive. The level of detail man…
@@salvydaboss Ohh yeah! It sucks because I didn't get that scene in my first playthrough, I had the encounter with Reverend Swanson instead, but made sure I did meet the sister in my second playthrough! Its a very touchy moment which I think was portrayed amazingly :)
@@Nicolas_Fancypants On my very first playthrough I already felt the game building up to Arthurs end, made me very sad, its really interesting how attached you can get to a character but I think the way Arthur is portrayed by the choices you make in game gives that extra level of you feeling a connection with him, definitely felt a bit of Red Dead Depression after finishing the game for a little while XD
What hurts so much in the epilogue is the fact that Arthur wouldn’t have wanted John, Sadie, and Charles to chase down Micah for revenge. He always believed that revenge is a luxury that you can’t afford to take and he’s right. He would’ve wanted John and them to continue lying low and living their lives. This is especially sad cause it’s implied that John’s hunting down of Micah is what leads the Pinkertons to Beecher’s Hope.
Its actually not implied, it is exactly what happened, theres a cutscene where a now mdidle aged agent ross is scouting out the beechers hope ranch, knowing he found his horse to take on his bridel and yoke, only to work to death.
This is the entire story and broken cycle of the red dead redemption series. Taking revenge instead of moving on will always lead to your death in this universe, and it'a more likely than not that your death will then inspire more bloodshed and revenge, continuing the cycle.
Not much of a reply to your comment, just wanted to mention when I read revenge is a luxury that you can't afford, Arthur was reading it exactly in sync at 2:29 lol
I honesty picture a couple seconds after John dies there both in heaven and Arthur just smacks the back of his head calls him a damn fool and quotes the revenge line
Unfortunately, based on the distance from that curve, the brightness of the light, the dark colors of arthur's clothing and the oil cart he's on, and the weight of the train..... They should almost all be dead. No way that locomotive's engineer would've pulled the brake in time, let alone that locomotive stop the momentum of the cars it's hauling in time either. And yet.. Still badass.
The fact that he gets genuinely upset with Dutch, a fictional character, multiple times throughout this video, speaks volumes for how phenomenal the writing is
yeah i never thought i could unironically hate a fictional video game person until this game, no character in games felt this human to me before. usually games have the cliche good guy protagonist who saves the world from the shallow bad guy
I'm personally of the camp that dutch could be a decent enough man, but Micah was dragging him down lower and lower behind the scenes, especially with the death of Hosea to keep him in check
I play the Dutch and I can tell you that's not true at all. It lets you play aggressively because it's asymmetric, but most asymmetric openings tend to do that. Depending on who uses it, it can also be very boring
One of the things I love most about this game is how, on a second play through, you can see just how thin Dutch's veneer of leadership always was. His manipulations and fear of Arthur and John become clear long before they are at the fore of his character.
man did you miss the side story where he talked to a nun on a train station? That's one of the nice cutscenes out there that Arthur opening up to someone how he lived his life and was afraid of dying.
@@sgtjaffa624 you have to do the side mission AND have high honor. if you did it but have low honor at that point you will still meet swanson at the end
Yah, I recognized Dutch and Micah for the villains they were right from the jump, I suspect most players do which is part of the beauty of the game. The gang struggle to see Dutch for what he is not because he's so subtle or brilliant, but rather because he's promising them something they all desperately want and need. They're blinded by their desire for acceptance and family and a piece of the American dream, so they look past the warning signs. Observers from the outside like the players see it more clearly because even though they play as those on the inside they are actually looking from the outside in. That ability to see what we want to see is very human, which is why so many people get suckered by con artists and manipulators, whether that's the boyfriend/girlfriend who promises you that you mean the world to them and you believe them despite your friends and family having reservations about their true character to the "can't lose" investment opportunities like those that Madoff or crypto peddle, everyone has blind spots where we believe in a version of the world we want to exist rather than what actually exists. It's a lesson we are doomed to learn over and over our whole lives.
@@Based1889 Kratos has no personality? Have you not played God of War 2018, hell, he even has personality in the other games aswell lmao, have a good one Arthur Stan
I’m so glad that this channel exists. As fun as it can be to rip something apart, I think appreciating what works well is far more constructive and valuable.
This. I have grown weary of all the nitpicky stuff on the interwebs, unsubbed to all those such as CinemaSins and what not. Its fun for a while until it just gets bleh. CinemaWins and GamingWins FT....W!
Channels like cinema sins just criticize for entertainment, not really providing real things to improve on. "I dont like Joe's haircut" and they'll add like 20 sins. Its pretty retarded.
Cinema Sins is literally just comedy, you do realise that, right? They might be biased, but what would they do if they weren't? It would ruin their channel. I like them because of the funny element it adds.
I love that when the game launched everyone was like "Who the hell is Arthur Morgan? We want Marston!" But by the end we all cried like babies and immediately looked for ways to keep Arthur alive.
@@lil_vault_boy when I seen that he got a low honor ending I was surprised in a good way and he gives an interesting explanation but of course people are so obsessed with high honor arthur that don't realize what low honor is and I've played rdr2 with 7-9 playthroughs and got all endings with each honor. I even played with high honor in chapter 6 and got all the scenes but I always played low honor before chapter 6. Im just saying that low honor is canon or more real to arthurs character than high honor.
Look at Arthur’s outfit and then Micahs outfit. Arthur wears black hat, blue shirt, light colored jacket, and black pants. Micah wears a white hate, red shirt, dark jacket, and white pants. They are quite literally opposites. The angel and devil on Dutch’s shoulder
In the heist were Hosea and Lenny die Micah wears a white suit while the rest of the gang wears black the rest of the gang owns that they are devils but Micah still pretends to be an angel just like the devil
@@ILoveHoneyBunss i think the reason micah wears white and the others black is that in many western movies the villain wears a black hat and the hero a white hat, and i rdr2 micah is the hero from a POV outside the gang for being an informant for the pinkertons.
Something that I thought would be touched on but wasn't: During the singing after they built the house at 1:02:25 is the original voice actor for Uncle, John O'Creagh, who sadly passed away during the making of the game, I honestly wish he would've made it to complete the game as his voice work is phenomenal. May he rest in peace.
Every song Uncle sings is sung by John O’Creagh, I was also disappointed that a lot was omitted in the video, he passed over every single side mission, he didn’t get to experience the majority of what made everyone love Arthur because he didn’t visit the content.
@@Krosstic well yes I know it’s every song, that was just the one specific song in the video, but I’m not upset he didn’t go over the side missions, then the video would’ve been at least 2 more hours on top of the already hour lol
@@razorv2579 Worth every second though, since like I said, he missed out on an overwhelming majority of what made everyone fall in love with Arthur as a Character.
Man Arthur with high honour is such a better way to play the story he’s a real man who comes to terms with his sins who has the strength to say he was wrong and want to change something Dutch could never do
Low honor makes more sense. Regardless of how much he wants to help John and his family escape he's still a mass murdering piece of shit who went past the point of possibly becoming a good person long before RDR2 started. Playing the game with low honor until the beginning of chapter 6 and then high honor from there is the most realistic way to play in my opinion, and it's the most fun since you're not restricting yourself from the most fun activities of the game just to appease a twisted sense of honor.
@@amirfreeman1557 I agree but the problem is that the game basically rail roads you into the high honor path. There aren't many ways of getting low honor unless you go out of your way to be a fucking psycho which in turn kills any simpathy for Arthur. I think they could've put optional missions for Strauss that really sunk your honor level so you can play the game doing "acceptable" low honor stuff (rob stores, beat people up, shoot that random NPC that threatened you...) without turning Arthur into Micah Part II. Also, being honorable always gives you more stuff to do since most of the time the low/high honor decissions are either help this person (and do a mission) or ignore them and miss the mission completely. The arc with the natives being the best example.
@@amirfreeman1557 Clearly you didn't read Arthur's journal he doesn't enjoy murder nor does he find fun in it ending the game with High Honor fits his character and the story overall
I still don’t understand how someone goes through this entire game and doesn’t love Arthur by the end of it all. Like we all have different taste but man to me he is the best protagonist in any game.
As a German: They did the voicing really good, like you hear the accent when Strauss or the German family are speaking English, but they speak perfect German, like you’d expect from them.
@@lindboknifeandtool Well English is a German language. The Brits just stole the language and named it after themselves. So you can consider English to technically be an older version of German.
@@lindboknifeandtool Absolutely. To us Goethe and the Weimar Classic (not to be confused with the Weimar Republic) did the same Shakespeare did to you in standardizing our language. Anything coming before can become quite the challenge depending on local dialects.
When John proposes to Abigail, I really cried. Arthur didn't die for anything. His life wasn't in vain. He was supposed to live his happy life, but he passed on his legacy to someone else.
Sadly I disagree. This series is about preserving Jack’s innocence. He turns out like John and Arthur by the end. The game is about the cycle of violence.
@@jihannireshwalia7603 fair enough. I do see your point tho. Arthur gave his life for his brother so that he could have a better life than him. That’s what I call love. For RDR2 purposes I will agree that Arthur’s death wasn’t in vain.
@@connordougherty9860 i think his death was in vain since john mad eit to his family in the go for the money ending literally all endings he could have escaped and live his few years happily with john and his family before tuberculosis gets him
@@chadkakashi8534 i think it was too late for Arthur but dude that would’ve been a happier ending. Granted the game is 100% a tragedy. I love Arthur I just don’t think he had that much time left. Off topic but I heard rockstar is remaking RDR1 which was my childhood so I’m super hyped for that. And no not a remaster but a whole ass remake.
When you kill the last Laramie Boy with the sawnoff as John at Hanging Dog Ranch its from the same camera angle as the RDR1 cover That my friends, is a win.
a scene that got me a little emotional was near the end when arthur was basically begging to go save Abigail. you could hear the desperation in his voice when he called for dutch's name
I noticed that as much as you care about Arthur as a character. You keep him clean with low beard you always have good honor in him and most importantly use Arthur hat in him. That hat just describe Arthur himself. That guy is exactly the opposite. He get the bad ending show that Arthur ain't better than Micah thats the reason he talks about him so much. And he don't even care about Arthur since he says that he saw more emotical johns marriage proposal.
@@iakovos56 lol, I kept a low beard but sometimes I'd let it grow a bit. When I was at Saint denis, before the mission where you scope the place out with a hot balloon, i was riding around greeting people to raise my honor. It showed how much I cared about arthur and I didn't want to see him get the low honor ending. I was so happy when I got a deer instead of a wolf. It symbolized me caring and wanted the best possible ending out there
I had a low honour ending (same as in the video) on my first playthrough but I still love Arthur and I don't really understand why gamingwings does not like Arthur that much.
I played Arthur like a Jax Teller.. Or a Frank Castle... A strict Moral code, but always with a heart full of vengeance for the vagrants and unjust people of the world..Why I more than anything want a prelude dlc, as the gang keeps referencing even though they really in over their heads "This is nothing, things have been much, much worse." I really want to experience that, maybe see Arthur do some of the things, which he claims he himself is not a good man.. Oh and bring back the Arthur Lives and Romances Sadie ending.. We all want it!
26:13 there’s a little interesting fact about this. In a wolf pack the “alpha” is the one who stays in the back, watching over the rest of the group, looking out for opponents and making sure no one is left behind as it’s the strongest wolf. it shows that even though Dutch is the leader of the gang, Arthur is the one who keeps the gang together, making sure he provides them with everything they need and gives them protection as he’s the strongest and deadliest member of the group.
there is no Alpha Beta mentality in wild packs. the leader is the papa wolf of his kids that haven't left home yet. he stays back to keep an eye on his kids and step in when needed like most parent do.
@@kingpandagodoftaste9001 I agree! My biggest regret is Arthur and Lenny didn't go to Valentine Saloon with Charles, John, and Uncle. The five of them would tear the place up-perhaps worse than Arthur and Lenny alone.
I agree with what you said about Arthur being reflective of the player, so personally the flip that he experiences happens throughout every moment you play the game. Small interactions that give you almost no honor points start the big domino effect, sparing people, doing things with less causualties, and other things like that make Arthur's journey so much more impactful, especially taking into account that dialogue differences for honor start way before the diagnosis, along with the high honor help john ending with much more serenity and peacefulness of him just passing away, having accomplished his goal, rather than him being shot.
The reason it's confirmed that Micah is the rat, is that Milton thinks he's won. Arthur is sick and dying, he's got Sadie and Abigail tied up and gagged. He thinks that he's gonna make it out of this building and so told them the truth about the rat thinking they won't live to tell the tale.
I mean there is even hints to Micah betraying them anyways because his old camp in strawberry has a bounty note and also clippings for Blackwater. And the fact he constantly wants them to go back to blackwater
My favorite piece of evidence is Arthur has either a Coyote or Buck for his spirit animal depending on his honor before he dies. When John is walking up to Micahs hideout they spawn a rat that runs across where Micah dies. So Micahs spirit animal is Straight up a Rat
I really was upset when that happened, he was a nice man just trying to embrace his own explorative nature. He got caught up in something that didn't involve him.
You know that you're a good person if even Arthur liked you, even if only a tiny bit. Quote: "You got that poor bastard killed for his troubles, I kinda liked him!". Rest In Peace Balloon Man, you won't be forgotten..
56:28 On my first playthrough, I was the exact same with my horse. She was a Palomino Morgan that I bought since Hosea basically made me, and I had no money. She turned out to be the best damn horse to exist. I have so many screenshots of her, especially towards the end of the game. Although you’re just a fictional horse, you were real to me. Thank you, Palo.
I did the Hamish Sinclair missions and it was super emotional for me. At the last Hamish mission you get his horse Buell. I was really sad when Buell died cuz I really liked Hamish and he gave me her when he died. RIP Hamish.
Dude I loved my horse so much I was on a 3day long spree of of the game without saving then I ran off a cliff and she died so I went back 2 chapters so she would stay with me threw the game
I think the reason Gaming Wins might have felt disconnected is that he played a low honor run, now to each their own but when you see Arthur go from a cold killer wiling to do anything Dutch wants to a sick man desperately trying to make up for his past there is a sense of unfairness that he was finally redeeming himself and he died alone on the side of a mounted left to die by the man he followed till the end.
I also feel like following only the main story missions dont really explains arthur's character or personality the best way to know him and his relationship with gang members is through companion activities, random events, camp interactions and most importantly HIS JOURNAL.
I just finished my second playthrough and it was more enjoyable than the first. Being more familiar with the story and game elements, I was able to accomplish so much more. In my first playthrough, I wanted to play with high honor but during the second, I didn't hesitate to commit actions that resulted in low honor like killing some smartass NPC riding by on his horse. I never did that in the first playthrough. No matter how much I tried though, I still ended the 2nd playthrough with very high honor because it just made me connect with the game and characters that much more.
I dunno why, I'm always triggered by people who went on with a bad ending with Arthur. MA BOI DESERVE A PRETTY FUCKING GRAVE! Thank you for finally doing this game. This is my favourite game all time.
I get triggered by people who get triggered by people who got the bad ending 😂 both are very good endings in their own ways. I prefer the good ending by FAR but I think it’s still either or
@@kso6036 basically, I just did the mission with Rains Fall where you break Eagle flies out of prison, and my honour is basically on the edge of red. You think there's a way I can get it up to the white?
High honor helping John is roger Clark’s personal cannon ending. Micah shooting him in the face actually destroyed me a lot more than high honor ending when I looked up other endings.
I think more people cry at the high honour ending because it’s so emotional. Low honour is just Micah shooting Arthur. High honour is Arthur takes a last glance at the sun as his soul is laid to rest.
@@godzillazfriction I didn't say Arthur was a good person. Perhaps I worded my comment incorrectly (English isn't my first language), or maybe you read my comment wrong.
I love how when Arthur says “As long you don’t lose your head this time” to Micah in the mission where you kill the O’Driscolls in Chapter 1 you can see the building where Micah gets shot in the head in the background.
@@2k10isBRAINROT Don’t think he showed it in this video, not sure why I commented this on this video, but find a playthrough video or play the game and you’ll see what I mean
GamingWins you forgot to mention that Agent Ross said enjoy fishing kid to Jack and then Jack kills him at the end when he’s enjoying fishing (potential foreshadowing and completing a revenge) also you forgot to mention how Javier in the mission Red Dead Redemption had his gun pointing up showing he is neutral between Dutch and Arthur,John
Actually his final words in the game are "I tried in the end, I did" The same thing he says yo the nun at the train station "I shall try" You're right though it's his last words to Micah
The sheer amount of effort required for a 1 hour and 14 minute video that's fully edited... I can't even begin to imagine, this guy is rising to the top
14:20, also a cool detail is that Arthur reaches for his gun when both Agents turn their backs on him, but he stops because he is with Jack and a neat detail is that Ross says: ''Enjoy your fishing kid, while you still can.'' but it's Jack who shoots Ross while he's fishing.
@@cb-9938 I mean, he was by a river...I swear everytime somebody mentions this interesting detail they are corrected by the smartasses mentioning it was duck hunting... But neat detail with the shotgun thing ig, describes Ross in a way
Personally, I think Sadie and Arthur are so beautifully written to be strictly platonic, due to Arthur being hung up on Mary and Sadie still very much grieving over her husband. I think it is so delightful to see such a well written friendship and I think both of them having that close bond helps them heal in some capacity. Also both Roger Clark and Alex McKenna have stated in panels and interviews that their dynamic is very much a close friendship, and is written to be that way. :)!! Love this video.
Fun Fact : Dutch actually practiced this moral raising speech. You can find a document near his tent in Beaver's Hollow with this speech in it, word-for-word. It was all an act, right from the beginning [0:22]
I’ve beaten this game 3 times and every time I’ve helped John with high honor. It just feels like a fitting end to Arthur’s story. The way I see it Arthur didn’t become a good man, but became a better man than he was. Also the final cutscene with Dutch, Arthur, and Micah on the mountain is way more powerful with high honor to me
@@STDskatetilldeath yeah that's the point. He was never a good man. From the beginning to the end, he wasn't a good man. He tried to be a better man. He's said many times throughout the story that he's not a good man, but that he's trying to be better. When he knew he was dying, you are given the choice to become more honorable by helping everyone, or don't help and die having lived a dishonorable life until the end.
From my personal experience playing with high honor is the most natural flow of the game like i had to put extra effort to get low honor despite being a asshole and killing randomly in general
@@mediateprison2951 Same here. I tried in my second playthrough to do whatever I wanted and not worry about the honor system but in the end, I ended the second playthrough with very high honor (again) and was still very satisfied. I guess I connect more with the game when I try to make it feel like I'm the one on that horse and not just a character named Arthur.
I love how in the first shootout in John's Epilogue, the enemies are like "who is this man???" as you just plow through them like it's no bother. Gives John a legend returned from the dead vibe
Damn your almost gonna need to redo this one with high honour, I feel like there’s so much more for you to analyse in this game when Arthur has high honour, like the missions with Edith Downs and her son Archie, his death, how he talks in some scenes and how some lines are changed depending on his honour levels etc...
100% and it really misses out on all the wins for the side quests like the woman in the woods, and the nun, as well as wins missed out on for easter eggs in the wild and the random encounters, all totally deserved wins.
I’m going to keep saying this but dishonorable is better. Arthur is an outlaw not western Jesus. If Arthur was a good man he would of died a long time ago like Lenny. Plus dishonorable gives you more freedom while playing because you don’t have to follow rules. Don’t get me wrong I hate doing bad things because every time I betray someone or do something cheap in video games I end up not doing it even if they screw me over.
@@kawaiiqueee that song ruined his death scene for me. It's not very good in my opinion and silence would have done a lot more, at least to me. I hated that overused song and usually mute my audio when it plays, since it played three times. Only part of the soundtrack I hate tbh
Another fantastic thing about the game is how John kinda destroyed Arthur's sacrifice for actually going against Arthur's words when he said for John to not look back, because Ross only found him because of his revenge, I love how every little thing in this game kinda comes full circle at some point
I agree that he went against his words, but realistically John doomed himself when he took the loan in his name and bought property 30 feet away from Blackwater lol.
@@PIZZASTEVE44 217 feet to be that picky exact kind of guy. but yeah, i always thought it was strange for John to take the loan in his own name. in the end tho, he did change for the better, and what Ross did was more so pride than anything else. he'd kill the one man who survived and gain honor for doing so and regain the title he lost when the other agent (cant remember his name as i am super tired rn) was killed by Arthur and Abigail, as he was supposed to be with him all the time, and ended up leaving him for "personal reasons"
That little bit of John calling Jack “Lancelot” reminds me of my favorite scene in the entire franchise, from Undead Nightmare where Jack’s telling John about the book he’s reading. Jack’s voice slowly fades out and is overtaken by this really haunting yet earnest music, and John’s just sitting there, smiling and nodding. I’ve seen my own dad do this, just sorta tune out while I’m going off, and I know I’ll do it someday to my kids. Even though John can’t understand Jack as well as he might like to, he clearly does love his son, and it’s just such a personal moment for me.
When I'm playing in a game, and the name of the mission is the same as the game, that's when my heart drops every time, because I know the game is about to end. This game had one of those missions, but it also has an epilogue. It breaks the ridged mold of how games are "supposed to be" and executes it *flawlessly.* The emotional scenes are so powerful, that you don't even need to play the game to start tearing up. While playing it 100% helps, you don't need to, and I think that's beaütiful. (Especially the part where your horse dies, that gets me every time). This game will go down as one of the best videö games of all time, and it deserves it.
My mistake everybody. I said Ross was fishing when he was really duck hunting. I apologize for any pain I cause and now stand humbly corrected by some guy who likes cats.
The question: "Why is Arthur a better dad than John" is a very interesting one. I think its because Arthur knows the value of family and what it means to have a son and wife to care for, because Arthur had a son named Isaac. Arthur understands that a family is something you cannot replace. You cant lose a whole family and then just replace it with a new one. Its a devistating experience to see them die like arthur did. I think after his Family was killed he realized how important the people close to him really are, so that is why when he thinks Mary wants arthur back he is so hesitant and almost seems angry. He doesnt want the people close to him to have the same fate and that is why he prefers to be single and without family.
John doesn’t know if Jack is his biological son so he didn’t bother raising Jack. It is heavily implied and said Abagail slept with other gang members as well. After Arthur saved him he raised Jack regardless of him being his biological son or not to give Jack a good life.
Played this game with my dad watching. He told me that Dutch looks like a man who wants a reason to keep fighting, while Hosea sounds like a man who knows there's never a reason to start a fight.
Father and son gameplay, pog
Your dad sounds like a wise man. And I wholeheartedly agree. Hosea’s character was great and the gang didn’t deserve him. Had he lived long enough to see the end of all of it, I would take him for the man to have shot Dutch. And took the backlash for it. He lived. He loved. He lost. And he wasn’t smart enough in the end to talk an unwinding man out of destroying more lives. He was just as tragic as Arthur in my Opinion.
thats basically summary of rdr2 events, all that happened cause of Dutch being hothead
@@dandreguess3108 i still am mad about lennys death tho pissed me off
Bro your dad is definitely a legend
When Lenny tells Micah "when you go, there'll be a party." He's right. John and Abigail have their wedding right after, it's just another cheaky piece of foreshadowing. I love it.
SADIE!!
@@playboicartissquirtjuice2856 what's up cowboy
Why do I hear clapping noises?
@@waterbottlefilms6563 mind ya business
And when Micah is locked up in jail, Lenny and Arthur had a party too XD
Arthur’s death probably wasn’t as emotional because you got the bad ending. Watching him drag himself to a spot where he could sit up and then slowly wheeze out his last breaths was incredibly heart-wrenching.
Idk why he reviewed it with the bad ending lmao, also he didn't even give the win to the part where dutch foreshadows what he's going to do by saying "same as you, i suppose" before he shoots micah
@@yummy-wq6qeI’m still wondering how neither John or Micah picked up on that 😅
@@erintoney7137 same 😭
Finished the game recently, the way the game just kills him coldly, like any normal person hit so hard, he was there, and then he was gone in an instant, the way Micah killed him silently, just a gunshot and it ends. It’s my favorite ending because of this.
I’ve got both and they both equally suck
Can we all agree that the high honor ending is the best ending for a game ever?
I wish the other endings got as much love as the High Honor Help John ending 😩
It is. The guy talking in this vid really fucked himself by not playing as a good person.
@@daahorse1652 but the other endings dont deserve that love 😅
On the high honor go back for the money ending you get to get some more beating towards Micah
Damn straight boah
Game: you are an outlaw, in the old west, go nuts.
Me: but being evil makes me feel bad
@@sunzoooooooo WHEEZE
@@sunzoooooooo For me when I played rdr2 I wanted so bad to be awful but honestly, I just couldn't, not to mention interactions felt far more meaningful to me when I was at high honour and I truly felt like in the end, I had redeemed Arthur morgan from an outlaw to a human who helped those in need
@@hiimhunter7649 I was bad until i realised im gonna die soon as arthur so i turned a new leaf. i went from negative honor to full positive honor. it was a good feeling. i connected more with arthurs story when i literally stopped killing innocents alongside his character arc.
I got his honor up after the tuberculosis diagnosis and finally seeing that buck made me happy. He may be a digital character, but he deserves to die knowing he made amends.
RDR 2: If you want good honor don't kill anyone you see, play story missions and make moral decisions.
RDO: 0 Honor? No more! Be a bounty hunter and get free honor for tying people up and not killing them! Hell we will even give you more gold and money for bringing them alive!
kind of sad that because of low honor you didn't get to see Arthur's confession to Sister Calderon. that scene is exactly what makes Roger Clark won the award.
You have to do the side mission for her because otherwise you won't know who she is and will still get Swanson
@@ETn4606 I know but seeing GW experienced a low honor playthrough while the high honor has so much more content and ideas to talk about kind of disappointing imo
@@thomasprf4778 Let's make him replay it with High Honor this time.
@@trevorphilips9065 I played first time high honor and I never knew u could do mother calderan missions
@@theuncommonn00b12 You should do them they humanize Arthur more
Each to their own i know, but Arthur Morgan DESERVES high honour.
I was a golden boy second time around, took care of all camp challenges/request I could find.
Gave half my money to Camp after each chapter except when we were stuck at the Cave one.
if you really appreciate the life of an outlaw, you need to think like an outlaw. Play as a dishonour Arthur first only until he diagnosed himself with TB, then you can play him with high honour. It kinda make sense to the story this way IMO.
@@imanzainudin3024 it’s the only way to play the game. All the dialogue at the start of the game paints Arthur as an asshole even with high honor and the game gives you so much honor at the end of the game it would be pointless to have high honor because it runs the fun of the game only doing good when you can save it for the end.
It wouldn’t be much of a redemption if you were already a good guy.
@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 no 🧢
I love the fact that in the low honor endings the coyote eating the deer is a representation of Arthur's chance for redemption getting choked out by his "nature"
Is the deer eating a wolf in the high honor endings? To show that he had his redemption?
@@Gingersnap_Adventures bro what
@@Gingersnap_Adventures yes
@@Gingersnap_Adventuresdon’t listen to glowinggreen this doesn’t happen in the game
THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE GAME
Gaming wins:didnt have high honour at the end
The internet: my disappointment is immeasurable
The fact he said he doesn't think Arthur's a good person shows how blind and idiotic he is. Many people in the game said Arthur was a good man, hell even Sadie said she knows he *acts* all cold-blooded but he's really not. The theme of this game is a criminal redeeming himself, that's why this game is called Red Dead *REDEMPTION*
@@moret25 Nah Arthur was def not a good man he just wasn't the worst. The game shows how life is a grey area and how bad people can do good things.
No one:
90% of the comments: you should've played high honor
Retarded blind high honor players just makes my brain want to self destruct
@@godzillazfriction doesn't stop you from acting like one, right?
The high honor ending is just so much better where you can watch Arthur take his final breath atop the mountains while it turns day.
I got minimum honour and still somehow got that ending. Idk why
@@ICR_Frizzstroyer bec its a glitch or youre in need of glasses.
@@thephoenix4093 I have glasses. But I was confused as I saw people footing different endings than me so I thought it was based in how u treated the gang.
@@ICR_Frizzstroyer nah the honor system includes everything. Probably a glitch and if you didn't realize it I was joking about the glasses part.
Bruh I need to get my honor higher then
Seeing Arthur with low honor breaks my heart
And also, I don’t wanna be that guy but actually, if you did the majority of the side quest, I’m 100% you would fall in love with him
But as always, this is a superb video
@@coolbroccolie6455 Yeah, Arthur's sidequests(especially those at the last chapter) made me love the character waaay more, even though they were way subtle instead of action packed, but it highlighted how much Arthur changed for the better
@@sdsdsa0d exactly
I didn’t want low honour but killing people in RDR2 is just way too fun
^^ I finished with high honour but earlier I had low honour
One detail about Dutch you missed is in the camp ledger. For the upgrades that make the camp nicer, the first upgrade only makes Dutch's tent nicer with the description "Dutch wants something comfier". It's another example of Dutch putting himself over others like 35:46.
First among equals
Second one is Arthur's, do not make no mistakes on that subject
@@BLET_55artem55 Dutchs tent: "Dutch wants a better tent."
Arthurs Map: "Arthur wants a map to plan journeys." (Or something like that.)
The map can be used FOR the gang, the tent is just... Dutchs wants.
@@darthvadercar can't argue with that
@@darthvadercar Upgrading Dutch's tent makes the gang members more likely to donate because it helps boost morals. His intention is probably selfish, but Dutch also realizes that his gang needs to look up to him, so he keeps himself in the highest light.
I mean if you had higher HONOR Arthur wouldn’t have died like that
Yeah the high honor death scene was more impactful to me personally. Man Arthur was a great character.
HIGH HONOR= CANON ENDING
Yeah I I actually got the accomplishment for having high high honor
For me canon ending really would be low honour go back for money shot in the head but with high honour if that makes any sense
@@Alex-wx1bk Low Honor help John feels to unrealistic for me
Apparently, the original actor for Uncle passed away somewhat early in production, so they had to recast. But the scenes with Uncle singing in the house building montage are the original actor for Uncle. It was a beautiful moment in the story and made even more poignant by the revelation that it’s such a touching tribute as well :,)
@Coolest Man69 they also named Mount Hagen in honor of Ross Hagen, the actor for Landon Ricketts, who passed away unfortunately.
@@buttwiperindawfulevil2256 This game keeps finding new ways to make me cry
@Yougotcaged102 they also named a location after him.
What makes Arthur’s death extra devastating when you really think about it is how like 30 years later the antibiotics that would have cured him were discovered.
He wouldn’t have lived to 60
The old west died around 1900. There really weren't that many outlaws in that time so Arthur would've most likely been forced to become a normal citizen or die
It’s not that sad, that’s 30 years. He’d have the same fate as John.
I hate that it's a slow death. I expected him to die in a gunfight like John but instead his death is slow, an entire chapter of suffering and trying to save who he can.
@@cb-9938 It gave him time to redeem himself, he'd have died just another outlaw if he didn't have that time but he actually made a difference with the time he had left and that was the point that was made like 20 times in the story
Another thing I noticed is that Arthur's holsters are like a combination of Dutch's and Hosea's. It's practical because he needs his satchel at his side, and it's symbolic as well.
YOOOO
Noticed that the first time ross and jack meet is by a river, cool subtle reference to the first game
And with the same gun I believe the repeating shotgun. Or did he have a repeater rifle in rdr1? I can't remember.
Ross: “Keep fishing kid, while you still can” Ross 15 years later: *DEAD*
@@dire_wolfheart I think it was a pump action.
@@Wiaer Oh, the irony
@@Sneakybeakylike920 sometimes it was a semiauto and others it was a pump from what i've read in reddeadwiki and i am sure he used a semiauto on one occasion in one of my playthroughs atleast
I honestly cried when Arthur was laying on the top of that mountain dying and just watching the sun rise. And I almost burst out crying as you heard his last breath leave his body.
I did.
First time ever while playing a videogame
I was full on sobbing for the entire last part of Chapter 6: it started during Arthur's Last Ride & didn't stop. I'm playing through the epilogue right now & if Arthur wasn't buried facing west, I will cry again.
@@thedailybullshit4033 that last ride is exactly what made me cry
i had low honor by the end so Micah was the one to kill arthur....i was soooo mad haha
To be honest i haven't cried that hard sinse gears 3, Dom's sacrifice
Red Dead Redemption 2 in my humble opinion, is the closest a video game has ever come to perfection.
Half-Life 2 is easily up there too
Ghost of tsushima aswell
Some of these games arent JUST games anymore, its art. Figuratively and literally
@@paulmasterman1826 I disagree, ghost of tsushima good but by no means perfect
Garfield car
I always liked that right at the start of the game Arthur tells Sadie that “we’re bad men.” It shows from the beginning he didn’t suffer from Dutch’s delusions of grandeur. It’s a lot easier to seek redemption when you know you need it, even if it takes him the whole game to realize Dutch ain’t a man deserving of his loyalty.
Here's a nice little detail: when Ross and Milton turn their back to Arthur, you can see him contemplating whether to shoot them judging by his hand, but decides not to because Jack is with him
I think he also decided not to shoot them because their agents and their so close to camp
@@roncheese2133 no, he was gonna go for it, but then he remembered Jack was with him
I like that this is where Ross and Jack meet, one by a river fishing and the other with a gun. How they last meet is the same
also in the mission where you pick up the drunk reverand you can see him crawl out the door in the back ground
@@lornepribbeno3760 Damn that might be obvious to some but you saying it is the first time I made that connection.
"At that time we know TB is terminal" He's forgetting Lumbago. Its very serious
This is one off those "...deez nuts" jokes, right?
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 No! It's the Lumbago! Never heard of it before?
@@greenman1200 Nope! Please fill me in!
@@marlettohemmingsen2828 You probably already know but, It's a so called "Sickness" that Uncle has in rdr2. It has become a joke with the community, and now everybody uses this. But no, it's none of these "Deez nuts" jokes.
@@greenman1200 lumbago
I was expecting you to notice but alas, no one ever does it seems. I always noticed how when Dutch and the gang return to camp after finding Jack, and he is trying to give his little monologue about how he found Jack, John interrupts him and you can see Dutch's frustration as he hates when anyone interrupts his flair for the dramatic.
Do you now the time stamp for that? I saw the entire video but cant recall when that bit takes place
@@agustindetlefsen6944 as far I know he didn’t showed it but it’s one of the most beautiful moment in the game
When I first played this game, my dad had just had a stroke. He lived, but he had to re-learn how to move his arms and walk properly. It was probably the most difficult time of my life. This game helped me work through all the emotions I had felt during that span of time. Both this game and the situation helped me realize that yes, inevitably, we're all going to die. But while we're here, we need to cherish the ones we love and embrace change. And for those of you wondering, my dad is still here today. He just retired from his teaching job a few weeks ago. And we hope to share many more happy times in the years that follow.
At 58:00 it feels inconsequential because Arthur having low honor and still being a bad man means his death will have no consequences to the world around him and that he was just too far gone to redeem now. That's why we play high honor folks especially in the end where the game gives us so many opportunities to earn honor
Fax
I came here to say this... My Arthur basically had max honor and seeing such a good man who really tried to positively affect everyone around him die... hurt like hell. I knew all along something would happen to him because of RDR1 but i was holding out a glimmer of hope that he would be the one to retire in Tahiti
My god I was shocked when I saw that, I've never finished the game with low honor and I've always seen him crawl towards the sunset. Maybe I should try some time but still it feels like doing a disservice to him.
Not to mention the impact you have on strangers that you then meet with john helping them and leaving your mark on them as a good person and going back as john to them is so powerful imo
I played the whole game with high honor, but honestly, I feel like the "true story" asks for the player to keep low honor until the TB diagnosis where Arthur finally decides how he wants to affect the world before dying and start acting selfless.
Having high honour makes Arthur’s arc feel all the more impactful and the ending is perfect.
the low honor ending enrages me i would never want that it just kills the scene for me.
Cold blooded asshole until diagnosed and then he gets high honor. That’s how I play every time
@@Schnappi4543 for real
Plus horses and goods are cheaper to purchase which is nice
I think the game works absolutely the best if you play really low honor for the first half until arthur gets his diagnosed, and then turn it around to high honor until he dies. It makes no sense to do the opposite, and its not as immersive if your high honor or low honor from beginning to end.
There’s a specific ending for Arthur where when he dies, it’s quiet, and it’s just him sitting there as the sun comes up, and I think that’s the real ending. Sure, the more brutal ending was more real, viewing Arthur as just another person who dies, but the good ending is just so much more self-reflective and most importantly, cathartic
Too cliche with the sun so no
@@godzillazfriction irrelevant
@@godzillazfriction too cliche? Bro☠
@@anthonyf616 irrelevant
@@염소-t7m yep☠️
57:02 Also one of my favorite quotes is when Arthur hands John his hat and satchel with high honor. The way he says "It would mean a lot to me" always gives me chills and it is one of the only times where Arthur is being calm and heartwarming. For example when he is trying to help the Downes family in the side quests he is stressed and trying to tie up the "Loose end" as quickly as possible but when he knows his time is up he is speaking from the heart and trying to save John.
You know what’s interesting as well, is that Arthur’s tent was right next to Dutch’s up until Lakay and Beaver Hollow
Lakay isn’t really counted though, since you’re there for one mission and then you leave to go to Beaver Hollow.
Was Arthur’s tent next to John and Abigail‘s? 🤔
@@brendanrourke9418 yes
Oh wow, that is a very nice little detail.
55:41
I love the symbolism Rockstar gave here. Dutch initially aimed his black six shooter at Micah and his ivory white revolver at Arthur, it's obviously clear who the rat is and Dutch knows that. But he chose to ignore it and switches his guns around, pointing the black one at Arthur and the white one at Micah because that's what he CHOSE to believe
Holy shit that’s cool but sad, thinking that Dutch knows Micah is a rat but thinking he’s following him and Arthur is the one against him and symbolising that there, very cool
they are the same color its just the sun lighting one more. but i think they did the lighting that way on porpuse as well
Both Mary's lovers died from lung related illnesses? 2 year of playing this game never realize that. Maybe her beauty is breathless
She is a fine woman
badumptssssss
BADUM TSSS
I am pretty sure my arthur could've surived TB, but in chapter 5 and onwards I smoked a crap ton of cigarettes cuz I saw what was coming lol
No like seriously...... ALOT of cigarettes
I showed Red Dead Redemption 2 to my dad and he was first blown away by the graphics, second started asking questions about what you can do in the game (most I could answer yes), and then asked how much it costs.
Truly the greatest moment I have had with my dad
John not being able to swim in RDR1 was not actually a "limitation" from an engine standpoint, but their main safeguard against the player entering Mexico too early via crossing the river. Since there are no swimming sections in the game, and barely any water, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to make the reason the player can't go to Mexico too early is because John can't swim. Making it canon actually gives a story reason why he can't as well, codifying it into lore. It's awesome lol
not going to the dessert and the west before ruined it for me
but when i FDUGNKGING FALL OF THE BRIDGE IN THEIVES LADNING HAHDWHAIUBD WANFUIWANDWAIO
also, rockstar had full on swiming and diving in gta san andreas. so "limitaion" is just bullcrap lmao
@@alexeddy7433riddle me GTA 4
I was lucky that playing through I had never played rdr1 so for me I was seeing dutch with completely fresh eyes and I- fell right into his manipulation. Dutch was like a father figure to me, I loved him with everything I had, I trusted his word, and his betrayal hit like a bag of bricks.
Omg me too. I only realised he wasn’t really a good person in that scene where he walks away from Arthur before eagle flies saves him 😢
do yourself a favor and give yourself the experience us original fans had. GO back to this game after freshly playing the first game. ALl the dialouge hits completely different in many areas. There is so much that sticks out at you that you wouldn't even think about hearing it with no context. I envy chronological players in a tiny way because the ending of the first game will be even more impactful for you than it was for us seeing an entire journey play out over time. But there still is a very unique experience learning the backstory knowing where the journey leads. That's what makes the writing in this game phenominal. It works amazing as a first self contained story in itself, but it also works amazing for how much you can pull out of it knowing the other game first.
Ik me too I couldn’t deal with it so every once in a while I would dress John as Dutch and jump off a cliff with a white horse
Man same. I thought it was going to suck if I played rdr2 without playing rdr.
Same here, bought rdr1 right afterwards
Dutch is a follower pretending to be a leader and Arthur is a leader pretending to be a follower
Wow touché man. Very true
Pretty much
I think that’s doing Dutch a little dirty. He was still a beloved leader 20+ years
Dutch by no means is a follower. He's just a sociopath
I can see Arthur as a leader sure... but Dutch as a follower? Wouldn't be Dutch no more.
You missed one thing on the gunpoint with the gangs
Javier Escuela if i remember that
He points his gun up not pointing anyone because he really respects everyone even arthur and john but picked the wrong side
As his Voice/MoCap actor said, "I pointed the gun in the air because I don't believe Javier would ever point it at his friends
Benjamin Byron Davis has stated that in the final scene on the mountain with Arthur, he recalls stepping off the makeshift stage while Micah yells for him and admitted to crying his eyes out right afterwards.
All in all, it hit just as hard for the actors as it did for most players.
The attention to detail in this game is insane. The cutscene at 53:30 seems to use light to show Sadie as really the only one who's still loyal to Arthur as everyone else is in the dark
pretty sure lighting is not fixed for most cutscenes but depends on time and weather
I’m sure it was more coincidence than anything.
You reaching bro
sureeeee
One of my favourite parts of Dutch’s lies and manipulation is when he kills that woman in Guarma in cold blood, telling Arthur she said she was going to kill them. Not much later, Arthur and Dutch are sneaking past guards speaking Spanish, to which Dutch says he can’t understand them, with Arthur following up with “I thought you said you knew Spanish.”
“I know… human beings, Arthur.”
Arthur response to this differs on Arthur’s honor
the woman literally pulled a knife on dutch.
@@poopdiearheason2426 well, it's actually normal reaction to pull out a knife when some strange american trying to reach your neck with his hands, saying "Just a second..." 🌚🌚
@@HeeJabka she threatened them, gloria tried to get more gold of dutch. she was literally screaming "kill me!"
Here is my theory on why Micah wears a white suit: he was a rat before guarma and he set the gang up in the Saint Denis bank robbery and wore a white suit to distinguish himself so he doesn’t get shot
I never thought of it like that before... That's actually really unique and reasonable, good theory!
I believe that Micah has ratted out the following:
To Pinkertons:
The Blackwater job, everything in there.
Their new camp and to give a visit to Arthur.
Colm O'Driscoll:
He told Colm O'Driscoll to make the peace offering, kidnap Arthur, and that he would make sure that he's at that hill.
Pinkertons:
Their new camp again.
Colm O'Driscoll:
He kidnapped Kieran and gave him to Colm O'Driscoll to torture and then behead, reveal the camps' location and attack it.
Pinkertons:
The bank job in Saint Denis.
Basically everything afterwards, and changing Dutch into a selfish man instead of the charming leader who would die willingly and happily instead of anyone in the camp.
Yes, that includes Strauss being kicked out of the camp and then tortured by Pinkertons to talk, but he died by torture because he never talked.
Now, Micah was a rat either ever since he went into Blackwater, or after his rescue in Strawberry.
At the point when Arthur was kidnapped by Colm, i knew that the Van Der Linde gang had a rat. A rat working for Pinkertons and Colm O'Driscoll. I was soon after Kieran died convinced that it was Micah. And when Molly died, i knew that she was setup and wouldn't even blink in front of Dutch and his gang.
I know that Agent Milton said that Micah was the rat ever since they got out of Guarma, and there are some of these stuff that are excusable, but not the bank job in Saint Denis.
He himself said that Molly didn't rat them out about it but was setup, so Micah must have been a rat ever since he went into Blackwater, or even sooner, with the mission to be a full time rat. I know that the gang did draw quite a lot of attention to themselves with Angelo Bronte and in Rhodes with the two families, but that doesn't explain how did the Pinkertons know *that* much about the bank job in Saint Denis.
Micah Bell also was the only one to wear full white during the bank job in Saint Denis, likely because he made a deal with Pinkertons not to kill him, and if he's taken, then alive. The Pinkertons then arrested John to make a setup for Dutch Van Der Linde, but he was already gone. How didn't the Pinkertons rescue Micah Bell or setup Arthur when he was arrested in Strawberry? Answer - they didn't know about it yet. Or he was a rat after his rescue. But that doesn't explain the Blackwater tragedy.
@@TheMastermind7259 Genius. Absolutely genius.
*However...* Me personally, I like the theory that the Pinkertons, specifically Milton, planted the idea of Micah being the rat to break the gang apart from the Inside because they saw his character and how he acted, so it would be believable. There's Also another theory covered by Cynic, I think, that Abigail was actually the rat.
@@Kyurosaka there's more theories with little or more proof and something against these theories. This just proves that Rockstar Games did a great great job with the story, as well as the characters. Everyone experiences slightly differently.
About the possibility that Abigail is the rat, I doubt she would kill Mr. Milton if she was the rat, and then, I haven't played RDR1 yet, but from the RDR2 Epilogue and what I know about RDR1, there's so many doubts and against about her being the rat.
The possibility of Mr. Milton just trying to break the gang "from inside" by calling Micah the rat when he's not in reality seems more than just unlikely to me. The Pinkertons know about every single camp the Van Der Linde gang was in, they also know about Micah "changing" Dutch. Micah also has dressed in white, he was the only one in fact, during the Saint Denis bank job. I believe that Micah Bell was the rat, but he was ever since he went into Blackwater like a rat, or when he broke out of Strawberry.
About Dutch Van Der Linde and his... change, i have two theories what happened. I haven't played RDR1 yet tho.
First theory is that Dutch Van Der Linde simply was a selfish, greedy, manipulative, and horrible man ever since birth. He just couldn't hide his true face ever since Blackwater, especially after Angelo Bronte betrayed him, but even more specifically, every tragedy following (failed Saint Denis bank job, Guarma, his disastrous return, etcetera) that happened in short time.
However, I find it more than unbelievable for this to be true. He was so charming to me. So... so... himself. That's Dutch. I believe that the struggle to do anything when he saw Arthur dying and Micah saying that they've "won" and other (how he was tired and the weight of everyone relying on him made him stressed, how the gang members started dying...) made this so unbelievable for me. Otherwise I would be more supportive about this.
But, well, he was with Micah Bell afterwards for quite a time... When I found out, I was so shocked and unsure about evething once again. It's very unclear for me. Too foggy. He was under big pressure at these hard times and was struggling when he made the bad decisions (leaving John and Arthur, killing them, going with Micah, leaving Tilly, Abigail and Jack behind...)
The second theory is that when Dutch Van Der Linde has hit his head after stealing the trolley station, he started changing and the stress, pressure he experienced turned him around. I am very supportive of this one, especially in comparison with the first theory.
The stress, deaths, weight of responsibility crushed him into what he became. Perhaps he had two different personalities all his life, like Two-Face, and when this all caught up with him, he was no longer Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well. And became the greedy manipulator. Micah Bell likely just told him that it's fine that way, and told him what he wants to hear, not that charming leader - but the greedy selfish manipulator. Leading him and showing the path covered with a carpet.
It makes more sense to me. Dutch Van Der Linde, the charming and responsible leader of the Van Der Linde gang that is aware of his responsibilities well was really emotional and caring about his 'family'. The manipulator just said: "It's just a girl".
In the end, "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he trully is" is still right. Dutch just had two himselves inside of him, one absolutely diffrent than the other.
The "You can't change a man, you can only make him who he really is" is actually true wisdom. The thing is, their true self never changes at all. When they change, that's just themselves.
Dutch? He might have became the other himself, the personality that was going to take over during his final straw. The manipulator him has taken over because it saw the opportunity of his stress, responsibilities, that all. Micah told Dutch that it's fine, his other self taking lead and leaving hisself behind.
If you're still confused about the true meaning of the wisdom, take multiverse as an example. That rockstar celebrity of yourself is you, and that homeless you is still you.
@@Kyurosaka did quite a lot of edits with that comment, this one is the finished comment. The finished theory.
Having beat the game 4 times, Arthur's last ride with the song and him donning his hat one last time still hits like a truck
same
Man it hits so hard and i cry every time I hear “That’s the way it is” or ”unshaken” because it reminds me of the most honorable badass man to sacrifice himself for his brother (John) to have just a chance to have a life with his family .
That ending is perfect
I think like most of us we had pretty much one horse through our first play through. Mine was high honor and when Popcorn died I had to pause the game for like an hour .
@@Nixo66 Respect ✊
I think Micah was definitely the rat for 2 two reasons. One, Milton would have nothing to gain by lying as he doesn't plan on anyone but himself getting out of there alive. Secondly, when they're fighting alone, Arthur calls Micah a rat and Micah replies with "I'm a survivor, black lung." So he doesn't deny it, he reframes it as survival.
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And years later when you encounter him as John on top of Mount Hagen there’s a literal rat that passes by the door of his shack when you arrive. The level of detail man…
And in saint denis bank robbery everyone wears black suits and red/green ties he wore a white suit with a gold tie so they know not to kill him
@@Abdallah69. Didnt he become a rat right after Guarma though? Although Milton could be lying I guess but I don’t see any reason for him to do that
@@Anastasja13 He could have been sending him notes to Milton or the Pinkertons
One of my favourite lines at the end will always be:
“You’re my brother”
“I know.. I know”
What are you fucking 5, out of all the lines in the game that's the one that hit you the hardest lmao
Love it but also love the “I’m afraid” to the sister at the train station
Get outta her and be a god damn man speaks volumes then John saying that is just so heart wrenching because you know that Arthur won’t make it.
@@salvydaboss Ohh yeah! It sucks because I didn't get that scene in my first playthrough, I had the encounter with Reverend Swanson instead, but made sure I did meet the sister in my second playthrough! Its a very touchy moment which I think was portrayed amazingly :)
@@Nicolas_Fancypants On my very first playthrough I already felt the game building up to Arthurs end, made me very sad, its really interesting how attached you can get to a character but I think the way Arthur is portrayed by the choices you make in game gives that extra level of you feeling a connection with him, definitely felt a bit of Red Dead Depression after finishing the game for a little while XD
51:45 not only is this scene a callback to Dutch talking about change, but in both scenarios, Dutch is jumping off a cliff.
What hurts so much in the epilogue is the fact that Arthur wouldn’t have wanted John, Sadie, and Charles to chase down Micah for revenge. He always believed that revenge is a luxury that you can’t afford to take and he’s right. He would’ve wanted John and them to continue lying low and living their lives. This is especially sad cause it’s implied that John’s hunting down of Micah is what leads the Pinkertons to Beecher’s Hope.
Its actually not implied, it is exactly what happened, theres a cutscene where a now mdidle aged agent ross is scouting out the beechers hope ranch, knowing he found his horse to take on his bridel and yoke, only to work to death.
No.
This is the entire story and broken cycle of the red dead redemption series. Taking revenge instead of moving on will always lead to your death in this universe, and it'a more likely than not that your death will then inspire more bloodshed and revenge, continuing the cycle.
Not much of a reply to your comment, just wanted to mention when I read revenge is a luxury that you can't afford, Arthur was reading it exactly in sync at 2:29 lol
I honesty picture a couple seconds after John dies there both in heaven and Arthur just smacks the back of his head calls him a damn fool and quotes the revenge line
The fact that Arthur stared down a train while standing on EXPLOSIVES and didn't move a muscle is why I love him so much.
He fears not death. Like a samurai.
@@Kidge.6081 he would be friends with jin definitely sticking to whatever it takes to protect people and going against his friends/family
That was an homage to the Jesse James movie, the scene is replicated shot by shot quite closely. th-cam.com/video/QsuaAOPJAUE/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately, based on the distance from that curve, the brightness of the light, the dark colors of arthur's clothing and the oil cart he's on, and the weight of the train..... They should almost all be dead. No way that locomotive's engineer would've pulled the brake in time, let alone that locomotive stop the momentum of the cars it's hauling in time either.
And yet.. Still badass.
The fact that he gets genuinely upset with Dutch, a fictional character, multiple times throughout this video, speaks volumes for how phenomenal the writing is
yeah i never thought i could unironically hate a fictional video game person until this game, no character in games felt this human to me before. usually games have the cliche good guy protagonist who saves the world from the shallow bad guy
I'm personally of the camp that dutch could be a decent enough man, but Micah was dragging him down lower and lower behind the scenes, especially with the death of Hosea to keep him in check
@@smalf00 yeah Dutch was likely a decent man before he went insane/ his true colours started to show. still, I hate him.
Movies are also based off of fictional characters. What’s the difference?
@@pandaboogus Wh- did I ever say there was difference? What is your point?
Fun fact! The man that stops Arthur from fighting in Valentine is Thomas Downes. You can occasionally hear him preaching in town.
The chess move dutch was referring to is the Dutch open it sacrifices every peice to sace the king aka dutch in this situation
Not quite. More hiding the king behind a bunch of pieces and pawns. Very defensive and non-confrontational.
I don’t understand what the hell you’re trying to say. What?
@@r011ing_thunder6 it's the king trying to use the prawns to protect the king
@@sonicking7871 I hate prawns
I play the Dutch and I can tell you that's not true at all. It lets you play aggressively because it's asymmetric, but most asymmetric openings tend to do that. Depending on who uses it, it can also be very boring
One of the things I love most about this game is how, on a second play through, you can see just how thin Dutch's veneer of leadership always was. His manipulations and fear of Arthur and John become clear long before they are at the fore of his character.
Second playthrough lol. What a waste of your life................
@@kioplqwerty You act like you aren't watching an hour long video of a video game
man did you miss the side story where he talked to a nun on a train station? That's one of the nice cutscenes out there that Arthur opening up to someone how he lived his life and was afraid of dying.
Right that was such an emotional scene!
@@martmakesmusic I think that only happens when you have High Honour.
@@brooksyd2 the scene only happens if you do the side quest it doesn't matter what honor you have
@@sgtjaffa624 you have to do the side mission AND have high honor. if you did it but have low honor at that point you will still meet swanson at the end
@@sgtjaffa624 Actually you also need High Honor for it
Yah, I recognized Dutch and Micah for the villains they were right from the jump, I suspect most players do which is part of the beauty of the game. The gang struggle to see Dutch for what he is not because he's so subtle or brilliant, but rather because he's promising them something they all desperately want and need. They're blinded by their desire for acceptance and family and a piece of the American dream, so they look past the warning signs. Observers from the outside like the players see it more clearly because even though they play as those on the inside they are actually looking from the outside in. That ability to see what we want to see is very human, which is why so many people get suckered by con artists and manipulators, whether that's the boyfriend/girlfriend who promises you that you mean the world to them and you believe them despite your friends and family having reservations about their true character to the "can't lose" investment opportunities like those that Madoff or crypto peddle, everyone has blind spots where we believe in a version of the world we want to exist rather than what actually exists. It's a lesson we are doomed to learn over and over our whole lives.
Arthur is the most amazing character in gaming history. Make sure he has HIGH honor. You’ll love him
Nah
@@egg-cf8bt then?who do u think is?
@@Based1889 Kratos
@@jackcarmody5118 ew he has no personality at all hes an angry loser kratos doesn't come close to arthur
@@Based1889 Kratos has no personality? Have you not played God of War 2018, hell, he even has personality in the other games aswell lmao, have a good one Arthur Stan
I’m so glad that this channel exists. As fun as it can be to rip something apart, I think appreciating what works well is far more constructive and valuable.
This. I have grown weary of all the nitpicky stuff on the interwebs, unsubbed to all those such as CinemaSins and what not. Its fun for a while until it just gets bleh.
CinemaWins and GamingWins FT....W!
Agreed. I stopped watching Cinema sins and started watching these more he goes into depth more
Agreed.
Channels like cinema sins just criticize for entertainment, not really providing real things to improve on. "I dont like Joe's haircut" and they'll add like 20 sins. Its pretty retarded.
Cinema Sins is literally just comedy, you do realise that, right? They might be biased, but what would they do if they weren't? It would ruin their channel. I like them because of the funny element it adds.
Honorable playthrough, after seeing the doctor, the stag leads you directly to the bar where Sadie is waiting.
If you are low honour the wolf takes you the other way
God i remember playing Jim Milton rides again and as soon as that theme started playing I smirked and said “hello old friend “
I love that when the game launched everyone was like "Who the hell is Arthur Morgan? We want Marston!"
But by the end we all cried like babies and immediately looked for ways to keep Arthur alive.
You should really do a High Honor playthrough though Roger's acting shines more there
Edit: Holy shit look at that like ratio thanks gang.
No just stop
@@godzillazfriction ?
@@lil_vault_boy when I seen that he got a low honor ending I was surprised in a good way and he gives an interesting explanation but of course people are so obsessed with high honor arthur that don't realize what low honor is and I've played rdr2 with 7-9 playthroughs and got all endings with each honor. I even played with high honor in chapter 6 and got all the scenes but I always played low honor before chapter 6. Im just saying that low honor is canon or more real to arthurs character than high honor.
@@godzillazfriction?
@@satanmcqueen7538 now you realize that low honor is canon?
Look at Arthur’s outfit and then Micahs outfit. Arthur wears black hat, blue shirt, light colored jacket, and black pants. Micah wears a white hate, red shirt, dark jacket, and white pants. They are quite literally opposites. The angel and devil on Dutch’s shoulder
Ying and Yang as well
Wow I didn't even catch that when watching this video, thanks for pointing that out.
Oh dann
In the heist were Hosea and Lenny die Micah wears a white suit while the rest of the gang wears black the rest of the gang owns that they are devils but Micah still pretends to be an angel just like the devil
@@ILoveHoneyBunss i think the reason micah wears white and the others black is that in many western movies the villain wears a black hat and the hero a white hat, and i rdr2 micah is the hero from a POV outside the gang for being an informant for the pinkertons.
14:17 It cuts before he does it but Authur reaches for his gun when ross and milton turn around, but then remembers Jack is there.
What if he would have killed them there that would be interesting
And in the future jack will be the one to pull the trigger and kill Milton
Something that I thought would be touched on but wasn't:
During the singing after they built the house at 1:02:25 is the original voice actor for Uncle, John O'Creagh, who sadly passed away during the making of the game, I honestly wish he would've made it to complete the game as his voice work is phenomenal. May he rest in peace.
Every song Uncle sings is sung by John O’Creagh, I was also disappointed that a lot was omitted in the video, he passed over every single side mission, he didn’t get to experience the majority of what made everyone love Arthur because he didn’t visit the content.
@@Krosstic well yes I know it’s every song, that was just the one specific song in the video, but I’m not upset he didn’t go over the side missions, then the video would’ve been at least 2 more hours on top of the already hour lol
@@razorv2579 Worth every second though, since like I said, he missed out on an overwhelming majority of what made everyone fall in love with Arthur as a Character.
@@Krosstic honestly I’m starting to agree as I sit here and think about it more
O'Creaghs Run is a beautiful location in the game and serves as a tribute to him
Man Arthur with high honour is such a better way to play the story he’s a real man who comes to terms with his sins who has the strength to say he was wrong and want to change something Dutch could never do
Low honor makes more sense. Regardless of how much he wants to help John and his family escape he's still a mass murdering piece of shit who went past the point of possibly becoming a good person long before RDR2 started. Playing the game with low honor until the beginning of chapter 6 and then high honor from there is the most realistic way to play in my opinion, and it's the most fun since you're not restricting yourself from the most fun activities of the game just to appease a twisted sense of honor.
@@amirfreeman1557 true
No. Cutting out micahs eye is better
@@amirfreeman1557 I agree but the problem is that the game basically rail roads you into the high honor path. There aren't many ways of getting low honor unless you go out of your way to be a fucking psycho which in turn kills any simpathy for Arthur. I think they could've put optional missions for Strauss that really sunk your honor level so you can play the game doing "acceptable" low honor stuff (rob stores, beat people up, shoot that random NPC that threatened you...) without turning Arthur into Micah Part II.
Also, being honorable always gives you more stuff to do since most of the time the low/high honor decissions are either help this person (and do a mission) or ignore them and miss the mission completely. The arc with the natives being the best example.
@@amirfreeman1557 Clearly you didn't read Arthur's journal he doesn't enjoy murder nor does he find fun in it ending the game with High Honor fits his character and the story overall
Did you never change outfits? You’ve got stronger willpower than me. I spent way too much time customizing instead of playing the story.
his default outfits look super good IMO
Same
I'd spend hours on Arthur's look just for him to hate on himself anyway 😤
@@tjknight when he makes me comments about himself in the mirror 😞
changed his clothing once throughout the whole game
I still don’t understand how someone goes through this entire game and doesn’t love Arthur by the end of it all. Like we all have different taste but man to me he is the best protagonist in any game.
As a German: They did the voicing really good, like you hear the accent when Strauss or the German family are speaking English, but they speak perfect German, like you’d expect from them.
Norwegian too!
Was there an older version of German like there’s old English?
@@lindboknifeandtool Well English is a German language. The Brits just stole the language and named it after themselves. So you can consider English to technically be an older version of German.
@@lindboknifeandtool Absolutely. To us Goethe and the Weimar Classic (not to be confused with the Weimar Republic) did the same Shakespeare did to you in standardizing our language. Anything coming before can become quite the challenge depending on local dialects.
@@WhilemineDe norske er ikke like gode, du hører de er fra Oslo.
When John proposes to Abigail, I really cried. Arthur didn't die for anything. His life wasn't in vain. He was supposed to live his happy life, but he passed on his legacy to someone else.
Sadly I disagree. This series is about preserving Jack’s innocence. He turns out like John and Arthur by the end. The game is about the cycle of violence.
@@connordougherty9860 ok🤷♂️ your opinion
@@jihannireshwalia7603 fair enough. I do see your point tho. Arthur gave his life for his brother so that he could have a better life than him. That’s what I call love. For RDR2 purposes I will agree that Arthur’s death wasn’t in vain.
@@connordougherty9860 i think his death was in vain since john mad eit to his family in the go for the money ending literally all endings he could have escaped and live his few years happily with john and his family before tuberculosis gets him
@@chadkakashi8534 i think it was too late for Arthur but dude that would’ve been a happier ending. Granted the game is 100% a tragedy. I love Arthur I just don’t think he had that much time left. Off topic but I heard rockstar is remaking RDR1 which was my childhood so I’m super hyped for that. And no not a remaster but a whole ass remake.
When you kill the last Laramie Boy with the sawnoff as John at Hanging Dog Ranch its from the same camera angle as the RDR1 cover
That my friends, is a win.
The man that gets killed is trevor's great great grandfather
@@luhtonyyy Source?
@@ugotrektdude824 source is trust me bro
@@ugotrektdude824 rock* is the source the guy is literally voiced by trevor's actor
he also opens the barn door like in rdr1
a scene that got me a little emotional was near the end when arthur was basically begging to go save Abigail. you could hear the desperation in his voice when he called for dutch's name
You had a low honor Arthur. That’s prolly why you didn’t like him like most people did. Loved the vid tho!
I noticed that as much as you care about Arthur as a character. You keep him clean with low beard you always have good honor in him and most importantly use Arthur hat in him. That hat just describe Arthur himself. That guy is exactly the opposite. He get the bad ending show that Arthur ain't better than Micah thats the reason he talks about him so much. And he don't even care about Arthur since he says that he saw more emotical johns marriage proposal.
@@iakovos56 lol, I kept a low beard but sometimes I'd let it grow a bit. When I was at Saint denis, before the mission where you scope the place out with a hot balloon, i was riding around greeting people to raise my honor. It showed how much I cared about arthur and I didn't want to see him get the low honor ending. I was so happy when I got a deer instead of a wolf. It symbolized me caring and wanted the best possible ending out there
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I had a low honour ending (same as in the video) on my first playthrough but I still love Arthur and I don't really understand why gamingwings does not like Arthur that much.
I played Arthur like a Jax Teller.. Or a Frank Castle... A strict Moral code, but always with a heart full of vengeance for the vagrants and unjust people of the world..Why I more than anything want a prelude dlc, as the gang keeps referencing even though they really in over their heads "This is nothing, things have been much, much worse." I really want to experience that, maybe see Arthur do some of the things, which he claims he himself is not a good man.. Oh and bring back the Arthur Lives and Romances Sadie ending.. We all want it!
26:13 there’s a little interesting fact about this. In a wolf pack the “alpha” is the one who stays in the back, watching over the rest of the group, looking out for opponents and making sure no one is left behind as it’s the strongest wolf. it shows that even though Dutch is the leader of the gang, Arthur is the one who keeps the gang together, making sure he provides them with everything they need and gives them protection as he’s the strongest and deadliest member of the group.
Actually wolves don't do that as far as I'm concerned
But the misinformation is so spread that it actually makes sense I guess
Strongest for sure but deadliest I'd say that's John Marston. The man is a walking aimbot.
there is no Alpha Beta mentality in wild packs. the leader is the papa wolf of his kids that haven't left home yet. he stays back to keep an eye on his kids and step in when needed like most parent do.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef right
@@TGPDrunknHick well now, it seems we learn something new everyday. Didn't know the Alpha stuff was bs.
Getting drunk with Lenny and building the house as John were probably my favorite missions.
That scene when they are drinking and just having fun was amazing. I need to sing more songs with my friends
And the Valentine bank for me.
LENNAY LENY LANNEE?
Funny how in a game about gunslingers and murder and all that stuff the scenes about the exact opposite of those gets more popular
@@kingpandagodoftaste9001 I agree! My biggest regret is Arthur and Lenny didn't go to Valentine Saloon with Charles, John, and Uncle.
The five of them would tear the place up-perhaps worse than Arthur and Lenny alone.
I agree with what you said about Arthur being reflective of the player, so personally the flip that he experiences happens throughout every moment you play the game. Small interactions that give you almost no honor points start the big domino effect, sparing people, doing things with less causualties, and other things like that make Arthur's journey so much more impactful, especially taking into account that dialogue differences for honor start way before the diagnosis, along with the high honor help john ending with much more serenity and peacefulness of him just passing away, having accomplished his goal, rather than him being shot.
The reason it's confirmed that Micah is the rat, is that Milton thinks he's won. Arthur is sick and dying, he's got Sadie and Abigail tied up and gagged. He thinks that he's gonna make it out of this building and so told them the truth about the rat thinking they won't live to tell the tale.
This is the only thing that makes sense. Why in the hell would he try to manipulate them when he thinks he’s won??
After the Caribbean tho
I mean there is even hints to Micah betraying them anyways because his old camp in strawberry has a bounty note and also clippings for Blackwater. And the fact he constantly wants them to go back to blackwater
Michael and also abigail.
My favorite piece of evidence is Arthur has either a Coyote or Buck for his spirit animal depending on his honor before he dies.
When John is walking up to Micahs hideout they spawn a rat that runs across where Micah dies. So Micahs spirit animal is Straight up a Rat
I am so happy to see someone else being heartbroken over the Balloon guy dying!
He was my favourite small NPC :'(
I really was upset when that happened, he was a nice man just trying to embrace his own explorative nature. He got caught up in something that didn't involve him.
@@JabberJayed I mean, it truly shows the impact of the gang on outsiders
You know that you're a good person if even Arthur liked you, even if only a tiny bit. Quote: "You got that poor bastard killed for his troubles, I kinda liked him!". Rest In Peace Balloon Man, you won't be forgotten..
I felt so bad when that happened, he seemed so nice
Same! I was heccin upset! 😭
56:28
On my first playthrough, I was the exact same with my horse. She was a Palomino Morgan that I bought since Hosea basically made me, and I had no money. She turned out to be the best damn horse to exist. I have so many screenshots of her, especially towards the end of the game.
Although you’re just a fictional horse, you were real to me.
Thank you, Palo.
Thats how I was with my Arabian "Bee" I started sobbing , and Arthur's demise is what finished me off.
i was with a white arabian i named it cumdumpster (cause she was white) and i got her in chapter 2 or 3 not sure
Same here my girl was named maryjane. Rip.
I did the Hamish Sinclair missions and it was super emotional for me. At the last Hamish mission you get his horse Buell. I was really sad when Buell died cuz I really liked Hamish and he gave me her when he died. RIP Hamish.
Dude I loved my horse so much I was on a 3day long spree of of the game without saving then I ran off a cliff and she died so I went back 2 chapters so she would stay with me threw the game
38:55 the way Arthur looks at the gun after kicking it to make sure it's okay is hilarious. he cares more about the weapon than the captain
"They-they got Micah! He's been arrested for murder!"
"Oh, good."
*Everyone liked that.*
_Low honor Arthur in the end_
*Everyone disiked that.*
"Shrek"
Everyone liked that.
Dutch: Arthur, Micah was arrested in Strawberry, and he’s gonna be hanged! You must get him outta there!
Arthur: oh no, anyways
i didnt like that
Same
I think the reason Gaming Wins might have felt disconnected is that he played a low honor run, now to each their own but when you see Arthur go from a cold killer wiling to do anything Dutch wants to a sick man desperately trying to make up for his past there is a sense of unfairness that he was finally redeeming himself and he died alone on the side of a mounted left to die by the man he followed till the end.
I also feel like following only the main story missions dont really explains arthur's character or personality the best way to know him and his relationship with gang members is through companion activities, random events, camp interactions and most importantly HIS JOURNAL.
I just finished my second playthrough and it was more enjoyable than the first. Being more familiar with the story and game elements, I was able to accomplish so much more. In my first playthrough, I wanted to play with high honor but during the second, I didn't hesitate to commit actions that resulted in low honor like killing some smartass NPC riding by on his horse. I never did that in the first playthrough. No matter how much I tried though, I still ended the 2nd playthrough with very high honor because it just made me connect with the game and characters that much more.
I dunno why, I'm always triggered by people who went on with a bad ending with Arthur. MA BOI DESERVE A PRETTY FUCKING GRAVE! Thank you for finally doing this game. This is my favourite game all time.
I get triggered by people who get triggered by people who got the bad ending 😂 both are very good endings in their own ways. I prefer the good ending by FAR but I think it’s still either or
IM SO SORRY! Killing people is just so fun🤭
Once you understand how it works it's pretty easy to get it up by endgame
@@kso6036 basically, I just did the mission with Rains Fall where you break Eagle flies out of prison, and my honour is basically on the edge of red. You think there's a way I can get it up to the white?
How many side missions do you have?
High honor helping John is roger Clark’s personal cannon ending. Micah shooting him in the face actually destroyed me a lot more than high honor ending when I looked up other endings.
Anyone else get filled with hell’s fury when they took Jack?
I felt no remorse when I stormed that mansion-
Yea that mansion storming is fuckin amazing
@@vincentcampbell8314 Same.
@@vincentcampbell8314 Sameeeeee
i put on bfg divsion and went fucking crazy
I think more people cry at the high honour ending because it’s so emotional. Low honour is just Micah shooting Arthur. High honour is Arthur takes a last glance at the sun as his soul is laid to rest.
“How do you want to die, Arthur?”
“Face me west toward the sun, so I can remember all the good times we had.”
Seeing the sun rush on a new beginning
Low Honor makes me disappointed and angry as Hell. High Honor makes me feel accomplished, like a good person who saved someone (Arthur).
@@PUNISHERMHS_2021 arthur ain't a good person ffs I'm done so many people just don't see it whatever
@@godzillazfriction I didn't say Arthur was a good person. Perhaps I worded my comment incorrectly (English isn't my first language), or maybe you read my comment wrong.
I love how when Arthur says “As long you don’t lose your head this time” to Micah in the mission where you kill the O’Driscolls in Chapter 1 you can see the building where Micah gets shot in the head in the background.
i cant seem to find it, do you got a time stamp?
@@2k10isBRAINROT Don’t think he showed it in this video, not sure why I commented this on this video, but find a playthrough video or play the game and you’ll see what I mean
@@2k10isBRAINROT My mistake, it’s during the cornwall train robbery mission
Omg amazing
GamingWins you forgot to mention that Agent Ross said enjoy fishing kid to Jack and then Jack kills him at the end when he’s enjoying fishing (potential foreshadowing and completing a revenge) also you forgot to mention how Javier in the mission Red Dead Redemption had his gun pointing up showing he is neutral between Dutch and Arthur,John
Arthur's last words with high honor are fantastic "on the contrary it turns out that I won" when Micah says "its over black lung you lost"
Nice profile picture
Actually his final words in the game are "I tried in the end, I did"
The same thing he says yo the nun at the train station "I shall try"
You're right though it's his last words to Micah
@@cb-9938 when you have high honor he says it
The sheer amount of effort required for a 1 hour and 14 minute video that's fully edited...
I can't even begin to imagine, this guy is rising to the top
14:20, also a cool detail is that Arthur reaches for his gun when both Agents turn their backs on him, but he stops because he is with Jack and a neat detail is that Ross says: ''Enjoy your fishing kid, while you still can.'' but it's Jack who shoots Ross while he's fishing.
He wasn't fishing but instead duck hunting. So additional detail he has a shotgun in both their first and last interactions
Neat
@@cb-9938 I mean, he was by a river...I swear everytime somebody mentions this interesting detail they are corrected by the smartasses mentioning it was duck hunting...
But neat detail with the shotgun thing ig, describes Ross in a way
@@HANKSANDY69420 ikr
@@hochigaming14yearsago90 troll username moment
Personally, I think Sadie and Arthur are so beautifully written to be strictly platonic, due to Arthur being hung up on Mary and Sadie still very much grieving over her husband. I think it is so delightful to see such a well written friendship and I think both of them having that close bond helps them heal in some capacity. Also both Roger Clark and Alex McKenna have stated in panels and interviews that their dynamic is very much a close friendship, and is written to be that way. :)!! Love this video.
Fun Fact : Dutch actually practiced this moral raising speech. You can find a document near his tent in Beaver's Hollow with this speech in it, word-for-word. It was all an act, right from the beginning [0:22]
There are several of his speeches written around. I remember one on Horseshoe Overlook by a broken cart near the camp.
@@Leongon you can also find one in Shady Belle, a bit aways from the main house.
I’ve beaten this game 3 times and every time I’ve helped John with high honor. It just feels like a fitting end to Arthur’s story. The way I see it Arthur didn’t become a good man, but became a better man than he was. Also the final cutscene with Dutch, Arthur, and Micah on the mountain is way more powerful with high honor to me
He wasn’t a good man at first, he ruined so many families lives
@@STDskatetilldeath yeah that's the point. He was never a good man. From the beginning to the end, he wasn't a good man. He tried to be a better man. He's said many times throughout the story that he's not a good man, but that he's trying to be better. When he knew he was dying, you are given the choice to become more honorable by helping everyone, or don't help and die having lived a dishonorable life until the end.
From my personal experience playing with high honor is the most natural flow of the game like i had to put extra effort to get low honor despite being a asshole and killing randomly in general
I always get the money to slit Micah’s eye out
@@mediateprison2951 Same here. I tried in my second playthrough to do whatever I wanted and not worry about the honor system but in the end, I ended the second playthrough with very high honor (again) and was still very satisfied. I guess I connect more with the game when I try to make it feel like I'm the one on that horse and not just a character named Arthur.
I love how in the first shootout in John's Epilogue, the enemies are like "who is this man???" as you just plow through them like it's no bother. Gives John a legend returned from the dead vibe
Was the mission not called john marston rides again aswell?
18:01 kinda like how a Famos NASCAR hall of famer was named Junior Johnson
Damn your almost gonna need to redo this one with high honour, I feel like there’s so much more for you to analyse in this game when Arthur has high honour, like the missions with Edith Downs and her son Archie, his death, how he talks in some scenes and how some lines are changed depending on his honour levels etc...
100% and it really misses out on all the wins for the side quests like the woman in the woods, and the nun, as well as wins missed out on for easter eggs in the wild and the random encounters, all totally deserved wins.
There's not even a win for "Unshaken".
I think he would have loved the scene when Arthur explains about his son Isaac and how he and his mom died for a few bucks. that's an amazing scene.
I’m going to keep saying this but dishonorable is better. Arthur is an outlaw not western Jesus. If Arthur was a good man he would of died a long time ago like Lenny. Plus dishonorable gives you more freedom while playing because you don’t have to follow rules. Don’t get me wrong I hate doing bad things because every time I betray someone or do something cheap in video games I end up not doing it even if they screw me over.
@@kawaiiqueee that song ruined his death scene for me. It's not very good in my opinion and silence would have done a lot more, at least to me. I hated that overused song and usually mute my audio when it plays, since it played three times. Only part of the soundtrack I hate tbh
Another fantastic thing about the game is how John kinda destroyed Arthur's sacrifice for actually going against Arthur's words when he said for John to not look back, because Ross only found him because of his revenge, I love how every little thing in this game kinda comes full circle at some point
I agree that he went against his words, but realistically John doomed himself when he took the loan in his name and bought property 30 feet away from Blackwater lol.
@@PIZZASTEVE44 217 feet to be that picky exact kind of guy. but yeah, i always thought it was strange for John to take the loan in his own name.
in the end tho, he did change for the better, and what Ross did was more so pride than anything else. he'd kill the one man who survived and gain honor for doing so and regain the title he lost when the other agent (cant remember his name as i am super tired rn) was killed by Arthur and Abigail, as he was supposed to be with him all the time, and ended up leaving him for "personal reasons"
That little bit of John calling Jack “Lancelot” reminds me of my favorite scene in the entire franchise, from Undead Nightmare where Jack’s telling John about the book he’s reading. Jack’s voice slowly fades out and is overtaken by this really haunting yet earnest music, and John’s just sitting there, smiling and nodding. I’ve seen my own dad do this, just sorta tune out while I’m going off, and I know I’ll do it someday to my kids.
Even though John can’t understand Jack as well as he might like to, he clearly does love his son, and it’s just such a personal moment for me.
John is so nice because on one hand he’s a bigger badass than any real person but he’s also such a dork and regular father
When I'm playing in a game, and the name of the mission is the same as the game, that's when my heart drops every time, because I know the game is about to end. This game had one of those missions, but it also has an epilogue. It breaks the ridged mold of how games are "supposed to be" and executes it *flawlessly.*
The emotional scenes are so powerful, that you don't even need to play the game to start tearing up. While playing it 100% helps, you don't need to, and I think that's beaütiful. (Especially the part where your horse dies, that gets me every time).
This game will go down as one of the best videö games of all time, and it deserves it.
It's funny how Agent Ross's first time meeting Jack is by a river fishing and his life is taken by an adult Jack by a river fishing.
He was hunting ducks
Full circle
duck hunting but yeah
Full circle indeed
True that only makes ross death sweeter
kinda bummed me out how he didn’t mention the signature pose john did in the barn before killing that guy
Ironic that Agent Milton said “some of us, sooner than others.” and then he died before Arthur.
@Mateusz Abramczyk yup. Both characters while they were fishing. Man I hate Agent Ross.
@@oc1omaen Ross wasn’t fishing he was duck hunting stop spreading lies and actually play the first game
@@ChonkedCat ok RDR police. I played the game like 10 years ago so excuse me. Take it easy big guy.
My mistake everybody. I said Ross was fishing when he was really duck hunting. I apologize for any pain I cause and now stand humbly corrected by some guy who likes cats.
@@ChonkedCat The amount of people who give a shit are the same ammount of people who think Micah was a good guy.
The question: "Why is Arthur a better dad than John" is a very interesting one. I think its because Arthur knows the value of family and what it means to have a son and wife to care for, because Arthur had a son named Isaac. Arthur understands that a family is something you cannot replace. You cant lose a whole family and then just replace it with a new one. Its a devistating experience to see them die like arthur did. I think after his Family was killed he realized how important the people close to him really are, so that is why when he thinks Mary wants arthur back he is so hesitant and almost seems angry. He doesnt want the people close to him to have the same fate and that is why he prefers to be single and without family.
John doesn’t know if Jack is his biological son so he didn’t bother raising Jack. It is heavily implied and said Abagail slept with other gang members as well. After Arthur saved him he raised Jack regardless of him being his biological son or not to give Jack a good life.
Arthur did have a son though, don't forget that