Me while using up 3 command squad kits, a praetor kit, old event marines, parts of MKII jump pack assault marines and endless bitz and bobs of special / energy weapon upgrade kits to build a single, horribly overcosted 300pts veteran squad: Yes, yes, efficiency is key.
Don't worry, we've all done it. I have a friend who bought 5x Tyberos the Red Wake to turn into 30k terminators because he loved some of the parts so much.
@@TheOuterCircle understandable, I aquired 3 of the 2004 gamesday space marine veteran for the squad as I love the chain scabbard and the armour can be made usable by trimming all the parchment and purity seals.
OC: Stick to the plan Me: Changes from EC with lots of specialized units to massed 20 man infantry blobs of SoH backed up by plasma and volkite and two Kratos tanks.
My goals are far beyond your understanding… Seriously though go for it without hesitation if it’s what you’d really like more, I hope they turn out great :)
Using some Black Templar chain swords and the helmet from the Tank Commander sprue, with a banner added, I made my own command squad. I guess that saved me $71.00 lol. About to expand it to a Templar Squad of 10, using again some Black Templar bitsies that have laid in the bitzbox for years. Use those Bits guys, you can do heaps with the base box and some imagination. I have added Illiastus Assault Cannon to the Rhino using the heavy bolter sponson and and some plasticard tubes. Use Chuppa Chup sticks if you need to. There is so much you can do without needing a huge budget.
Hey, any chance you could go through some build options for certain types of armies for the generic units? Like I'm looking at doing a rapid assault force and would love to know some of the great synergies and to make it fluffy. Wondering how we could do a force focus on tanks, rapid assault, mass troops, recon, etc... That would be a cool set of videos for us new people!
Late to this video, but I wanted to add that I've found it best to listen to the audiobooks, find a character you like, a moment you like too if possible and then go from there. I'm going with Corswain getting to Terra to *REDACTED*. I buy what I know was there, and can expand from that later. But that right there is a manageable project, with heroic fluff. It's an idea I use when making Lord of the Rings armies.
I mean maybe it's just me, but building your list in blocks of 500 points is what I do. I start off at 1500 and build up to 2k when I like the list and find combos in it that I like. It just makes the most sense. Also building command squads for armies is like the most fun, since you get to go wild with styling and equipment. Now just to wait for boxes of MK3s to come back in stock in Canada to build my nemesis destroyers.
For two of the solar auxiliary troop choices that would be 270 USD. That is a little bit less than a decent quality resin printer. That's a hundred more than an fdm printer, with a little work that can put out decent quality models although I'm a slow rate
@@marcwittkowski5146 no, in a lot of cases they are superior to forge world XD. We are talking modern resin printers here not what you say 10 years ago
As much as I'd like to follow my original plan, the problem I run into is that the mark of power armor is not at the current scale. I'm a big fan of the Legion MkIV destroyer armor (the one FW has for destroyer squads), when HH1.0 was out I almost built a full force of converted destroyers. Right now I am thinking of building a Iron Hands legionary force. Lots of tanks, dreads, and heavily armored infantry. Combine it with my older bits that I already have from 1.0 collection (25 cataphractii and 15 tartaros, plus a bunch of bits from Legion mk3/4 and new boxset). I hope that GW redoes the Mk4 destroyers squads that FW has, cause I'll love to make some "regular" infantry
For a new HH player this is great! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge (= Been playing 40k for 12 years give or take but i have barley any knowledge what so ever how to build or play a 30k army. Would be nice to have a follow up for each unit type. Like what should i think of when building my fist tactical squads - should they all have bolters why/why not etc. When do i build a special weapons squad and what weapons do i get the "most bang for my bucks" etc. I didn't bought the age of darkness box because it felt unbalanced if thats the word :) Thus far i have bought: 20x MK III Troops (gw) 1x Rhino (gw) 1x Iron Hands Transfer Sheet 1x MK III Command Set (fw) 1x Legion Praetors set (fw) 1x Iron Hands Heads (fw) 3x Iron Hands Shoulder Pads set (fw) 1x Iron Hand Iron Father (fw) 1x Techmarine in MK III Armour (fw) 10x Iron Hands Medusan Immortals (fw) 5x Iron Hands Legion MK III Squad (fw) Thus far i think i am on the right path, building a "solid" core? :)
@@joshuaginn792 Good Questions (= My initial “plan” is to glue/build and paint what I think (?) would be a solid start of troops/hq etc. Warriors on foot (= Since I just picked up HH I know very little and what little I know is from this channel or sites like Goonhammer. I’m still waiting for the two gw books ^^ Hence, as I build what I have I hope to catch up on the reading and know what direction I think would suit me. I know Iron Hands are towards vehicles but, I still need some footslogging warriors wherever I end up. If I do the “boring” work now simultaneously as I learn the basics, then I can do the fun (heavier stuff) later. Hope that was at least some sort of answer for your questions? :)
@@johannesflood5485 this might sound a little strange, but that seems like too much MkIII. Sprinkling in a few other armour marks would make the force look a more realistic and war weary, imo.
Tactical squads - in Heresy, they are always bolters, all the time, though if you're looking to kitbash or convert some models, you could build out Despoilers (essentially walking assault marines) or Breachers (tactical squad with boarding/riot shields, and 1 in 5 can take a special weapon). Sergeants can take the usual suite of melee, pistol, and combi-weapons, plus hand flamers and volkite serpentas. A sergeant can also take Artificer Armour (do it) and the unit can upgrade 1 each of Nuncio-Vox (help your own scatter rolls), Augury Scanner (free shots at deep striking units!), and a Vexilla (you want this). I'm a fan of the 15 man tactical squad - beefy enough to dish and take damage, but not so massive as to be unwieldy on the table. That would leave you 10 or so bodies to put together a second, 10-man squad as a second Troops unit. Or, go 10/10 and take the 5 remaining models to start up a support squad - what you've listed so far lacks anti-tank power, so I would look into a squad of meltagunners to rush up in the Rhino, or some Volkite because its hella cool. Also consider giving your Techmarine a special weapon (again, I'm leaning towards melta here) to add a bit more unit flexibility to one of those tactical squads. Future expansion: dreadnoughts, 100%. The multi-melta and lascannon options are an easy pick to solve ranged tank hunting, while Gravis Power Fists are Brutal (hehe).
@@lesbianmorgoth652 Too much MKIII? What? (= Another” Dhoo” for me being new in HH xD I assumed that you picked one MK armor and then sticked with it? (=
I started my Wolves some time before 2.0 after reading Wolfsbane and deciding that yes. Primarchs Chosen it is. But I magnetised my dreadnoughts arms, made tartaros with one guy having magnetised bolter arm and banner arm, magnetised options on my stock HQ centurion and the entire volkite support squad has arms on magnets. This allowed me quickly decide that with new rules I want my volkites to be another stalkers unit. Instead of buying new squad I just looked at my bits box and painted extra arms for this squad. Then I found assault marines fancy and hey - I have apothecary and hq with magnetised backpack/jump pack. Essentialy. Magnets guys. Buy magnets and a drill. You can thank me later ;)
I've been following this rule since I started the hobby. In Conquest I run my Noble lord model as either a lord, priory commander, imperial officer, or theist priest depending on the day
My problem is that I need to come up with a plan for my Alpha Legion in general. I'm thinking the Levithial RoW most likely and then expanding into additional units that will work in Zone Mortalis. So Headhunters, a couple of other units from other legions and some dreads?
The idea of "paint the stuff how you enjoy, not how it looks coolest" is genius. Really simple idea but I feel like when I choose a paintjob I go for good looking or efficient and fast. But many times it involves techniques that I really don't enjoy as much and that should be a priority :)
Would the deathwing companions be good models for consuls for my stormwing 20 man tactical squads? Not sure which consuls would be using shields though
1000pt Iron Warrior Armoured Spearhead Rite of War 1 Sicaran (Warlord) 1 Contemptor with Melta Cannon X2 10 Legion Tactical with Rhinos 2 Predators 1 Vindicator 1000pts on the nose
Armored spearhead is arguably busted in this edition. This list isn’t what anyone starting with the new box is going to want to play. It’s a genuinely going to be a feels bad situation. If your group has a “like” power level that’s great, otherwise Armored Spearhead would be the one list I’d tell my opponents to tailor for.
@@joshuaginn792 It's what i had planned before this edition, to do an armoured force, that's what iv always played ever since 3rd. I'm not bothered about winning or losing. I do agree though that you should pay extra to upgrade the Sicaran to a HQ, but as rules are currently that's what I have, slowly painting them up.
Meanwhile I’m over here with over 20,000 points of Salamanders. Think I have all my grounds covered. Though to be fair I did set out on the plan to rebuild the legion, jokingly, but I think the joke has gone too far. Please someone help. XD
Yo Macca, I bought the Heresy box and gonna roll with Imperial Fists. I don’t have the money to buy an airbrush nor the patience to paint everything by hand. Do you know any good primers besides averland Yellow to coat my army with?
The new contrast yellow GW released (I can't remember the specific one of the three, you'll see it if you have a gander regarding the new paints, though) has been met with exceptional praise for a yellow paint. Nice finish, good pigment and ease of application. 👍
If you've got a bit of time, go watch "Pete the Wargamers" new contrast review vid. One of the yellows results in a very flat IF yellow, would likely be great for a base to build up exactly what you want
Or ya know. Just 3D print whatever and maybe be out ~40 bucks if you somehow use up two whole roles of filament or a bottle of resin on whatever your printing.
Me while using up 3 command squad kits, a praetor kit, old event marines, parts of MKII jump pack assault marines and endless bitz and bobs of special / energy weapon upgrade kits to build a single, horribly overcosted 300pts veteran squad: Yes, yes, efficiency is key.
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Don't worry, we've all done it. I have a friend who bought 5x Tyberos the Red Wake to turn into 30k terminators because he loved some of the parts so much.
@@TheOuterCircle Wait, isn't that what we're supposed to do??
@@TheOuterCircle understandable, I aquired 3 of the 2004 gamesday space marine veteran for the squad as I love the chain scabbard and the armour can be made usable by trimming all the parchment and purity seals.
@@losmiercoles I think you mean chain tabard- a scabbard is what you carry your sword around in ;)
OC: "Stick to the plan!"
Me, building Iron Warriors:
"You guys are allowed not to do so?"
OC: Stick to the plan
Me: Changes from EC with lots of specialized units to massed 20 man infantry blobs of SoH backed up by plasma and volkite and two Kratos tanks.
My goals are far beyond your understanding…
Seriously though go for it without hesitation if it’s what you’d really like more, I hope they turn out great :)
"Oh my God, he just ran in!"
Settling in on a 1250 ZM Death Guard list I'll use as the core of a first build.
I'm thinking of doing the same idea discussed in this video for my Son of Horus terminators. Running them as either Justaerin or regular terminators.
Using some Black Templar chain swords and the helmet from the Tank Commander sprue, with a banner added, I made my own command squad. I guess that saved me $71.00 lol.
About to expand it to a Templar Squad of 10, using again some Black Templar bitsies that have laid in the bitzbox for years.
Use those Bits guys, you can do heaps with the base box and some imagination. I have added Illiastus Assault Cannon to the Rhino using the heavy bolter sponson and and some plasticard tubes. Use Chuppa Chup sticks if you need to. There is so much you can do without needing a huge budget.
I end up using every scrap of plastic. I’m gonna pretend that means I stick with the plan.
[14:50] _Words of Wisdom Lloyd My-Man......Words.....Of..... _*_Wisdom."_*
Very useful video. Plenty of decent ideas. Also ive finally found out were the screaming General Zod head comes from.
Hey, any chance you could go through some build options for certain types of armies for the generic units? Like I'm looking at doing a rapid assault force and would love to know some of the great synergies and to make it fluffy.
Wondering how we could do a force focus on tanks, rapid assault, mass troops, recon, etc... That would be a cool set of videos for us new people!
Late to this video, but I wanted to add that I've found it best to listen to the audiobooks, find a character you like, a moment you like too if possible and then go from there.
I'm going with Corswain getting to Terra to *REDACTED*. I buy what I know was there, and can expand from that later. But that right there is a manageable project, with heroic fluff. It's an idea I use when making Lord of the Rings armies.
That's the best advice! I choose the little snipped about the UM Destroyers and stuck with it now I have 8k Black Ultramarines
I mean maybe it's just me, but building your list in blocks of 500 points is what I do. I start off at 1500 and build up to 2k when I like the list and find combos in it that I like. It just makes the most sense. Also building command squads for armies is like the most fun, since you get to go wild with styling and equipment. Now just to wait for boxes of MK3s to come back in stock in Canada to build my nemesis destroyers.
Dark Angels,
Bikes
Plasma
More bikes
Another bike (just in case)
Hey Macca, great video. Would you consider making a getting started with Adeptus Titanicus video at some point?
For about two FW kits you can probably get a resin 3d printer... then go mad
For two of the solar auxiliary troop choices that would be 270 USD. That is a little bit less than a decent quality resin printer. That's a hundred more than an fdm printer, with a little work that can put out decent quality models although I'm a slow rate
But would your minis really look as good? Be honest. Most 3D printed minis look nowhere near as good.
@@marcwittkowski5146 no, in a lot of cases they are superior to forge world XD. We are talking modern resin printers here not what you say 10 years ago
As much as I'd like to follow my original plan, the problem I run into is that the mark of power armor is not at the current scale.
I'm a big fan of the Legion MkIV destroyer armor (the one FW has for destroyer squads), when HH1.0 was out I almost built a full force of converted destroyers.
Right now I am thinking of building a Iron Hands legionary force. Lots of tanks, dreads, and heavily armored infantry. Combine it with my older bits that I already have from 1.0 collection (25 cataphractii and 15 tartaros, plus a bunch of bits from Legion mk3/4 and new boxset).
I hope that GW redoes the Mk4 destroyers squads that FW has, cause I'll love to make some "regular" infantry
"What about Night Raptors?"
Nah, thanks. Those are fuuuucking ugly :D
For a new HH player this is great! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge (=
Been playing 40k for 12 years give or take but i have barley any knowledge what so ever how to build or play a 30k army. Would be nice to have a follow up for each unit type. Like what should i think of when building my fist tactical squads - should they all have bolters why/why not etc. When do i build a special weapons squad and what weapons do i get the "most bang for my bucks" etc.
I didn't bought the age of darkness box because it felt unbalanced if thats the word :)
Thus far i have bought:
20x MK III Troops (gw)
1x Rhino (gw)
1x Iron Hands Transfer Sheet
1x MK III Command Set (fw)
1x Legion Praetors set (fw)
1x Iron Hands Heads (fw)
3x Iron Hands Shoulder Pads set (fw)
1x Iron Hand Iron Father (fw)
1x Techmarine in MK III Armour (fw)
10x Iron Hands Medusan Immortals (fw)
5x Iron Hands Legion MK III Squad (fw)
Thus far i think i am on the right path, building a "solid" core? :)
Is there a right of war driving your decision? What’s the general functionality your going for?
@@joshuaginn792 Good Questions (=
My initial “plan” is to glue/build and paint what I think (?) would be a solid start of troops/hq etc.
Warriors on foot (=
Since I just picked up HH I know very little and what little I know is from this channel or sites like Goonhammer. I’m still waiting for the two gw books ^^
Hence, as I build what I have I hope to catch up on the reading and know what direction I think would suit me. I know Iron Hands are towards vehicles but, I still need some footslogging warriors wherever I end up. If I do the “boring” work now simultaneously as I learn the basics, then I can do the fun (heavier stuff) later.
Hope that was at least some sort of answer for your questions? :)
@@johannesflood5485 this might sound a little strange, but that seems like too much MkIII. Sprinkling in a few other armour marks would make the force look a more realistic and war weary, imo.
Tactical squads - in Heresy, they are always bolters, all the time, though if you're looking to kitbash or convert some models, you could build out Despoilers (essentially walking assault marines) or Breachers (tactical squad with boarding/riot shields, and 1 in 5 can take a special weapon). Sergeants can take the usual suite of melee, pistol, and combi-weapons, plus hand flamers and volkite serpentas. A sergeant can also take Artificer Armour (do it) and the unit can upgrade 1 each of Nuncio-Vox (help your own scatter rolls), Augury Scanner (free shots at deep striking units!), and a Vexilla (you want this).
I'm a fan of the 15 man tactical squad - beefy enough to dish and take damage, but not so massive as to be unwieldy on the table. That would leave you 10 or so bodies to put together a second, 10-man squad as a second Troops unit. Or, go 10/10 and take the 5 remaining models to start up a support squad - what you've listed so far lacks anti-tank power, so I would look into a squad of meltagunners to rush up in the Rhino, or some Volkite because its hella cool. Also consider giving your Techmarine a special weapon (again, I'm leaning towards melta here) to add a bit more unit flexibility to one of those tactical squads.
Future expansion: dreadnoughts, 100%. The multi-melta and lascannon options are an easy pick to solve ranged tank hunting, while Gravis Power Fists are Brutal (hehe).
@@lesbianmorgoth652 Too much MKIII?
What? (=
Another” Dhoo” for me being new in HH xD
I assumed that you picked one MK armor and then sticked with it? (=
I started my Wolves some time before 2.0 after reading Wolfsbane and deciding that yes. Primarchs Chosen it is. But I magnetised my dreadnoughts arms, made tartaros with one guy having magnetised bolter arm and banner arm, magnetised options on my stock HQ centurion and the entire volkite support squad has arms on magnets.
This allowed me quickly decide that with new rules I want my volkites to be another stalkers unit. Instead of buying new squad I just looked at my bits box and painted extra arms for this squad. Then I found assault marines fancy and hey - I have apothecary and hq with magnetised backpack/jump pack.
Essentialy. Magnets guys. Buy magnets and a drill. You can thank me later ;)
I've been following this rule since I started the hobby. In Conquest I run my Noble lord model as either a lord, priory commander, imperial officer, or theist priest depending on the day
Love your advice
Thanks for the video, I kinda needed the call back to reality.
Great Video!!! Please Please Please make one for Raven Gard
My problem is that I need to come up with a plan for my Alpha Legion in general. I'm thinking the Levithial RoW most likely and then expanding into additional units that will work in Zone Mortalis. So Headhunters, a couple of other units from other legions and some dreads?
The idea of "paint the stuff how you enjoy, not how it looks coolest" is genius. Really simple idea but I feel like when I choose a paintjob I go for good looking or efficient and fast. But many times it involves techniques that I really don't enjoy as much and that should be a priority :)
Yeah I just go with the flow.......Start with a iron hands army finish up with NightLords ((Slap 👋 )) Easy an Done
Would the deathwing companions be good models for consuls for my stormwing 20 man tactical squads? Not sure which consuls would be using shields though
i actually got the death wing companions just for bits
I can't believe how often people get videos telling them not to be idiots with their money. But here we are again...
But people are idiots. How else do people like Boris Johnson become a leader if it isn't for all the idiots?
1000pt Iron Warrior Armoured Spearhead Rite of War
1 Sicaran (Warlord)
1 Contemptor with Melta Cannon
X2 10 Legion Tactical with Rhinos
2 Predators
1 Vindicator
1000pts on the nose
Cries in ap 4
Relying on massed shot to bring down infantry. List has weaknesses but it thematic and fluffy. All I care about.
Armored spearhead is arguably busted in this edition. This list isn’t what anyone starting with the new box is going to want to play. It’s a genuinely going to be a feels bad situation. If your group has a “like” power level that’s great, otherwise Armored Spearhead would be the one list I’d tell my opponents to tailor for.
@@joshuaginn792 It's what i had planned before this edition, to do an armoured force, that's what iv always played ever since 3rd. I'm not bothered about winning or losing. I do agree though that you should pay extra to upgrade the Sicaran to a HQ, but as rules are currently that's what I have, slowly painting them up.
It's a bit heavy at 1000, but as soon as you get to 1500 and the box set Spartan takes the field, it will become very very fair
so we need to buy this unique legion minis from forgeworld? nhot GW?
Correct, as they are FW resin sculpts.
Meanwhile I’m over here with over 20,000 points of Salamanders. Think I have all my grounds covered. Though to be fair I did set out on the plan to rebuild the legion, jokingly, but I think the joke has gone too far. Please someone help. XD
Yo Macca, I bought the Heresy box and gonna roll with Imperial Fists. I don’t have the money to buy an airbrush nor the patience to paint everything by hand. Do you know any good primers besides averland Yellow to coat my army with?
I have good experience with the daemonic yellow primer from army painter
The new contrast yellow GW released (I can't remember the specific one of the three, you'll see it if you have a gander regarding the new paints, though) has been met with exceptional praise for a yellow paint. Nice finish, good pigment and ease of application. 👍
@@combatwombat2134 and the old yellow paint is great for panel lining.
Spray paint then dry brush then gloss varnish then decal then wash then matte varnish then play. Then as you go paint in the details.
If you've got a bit of time, go watch "Pete the Wargamers" new contrast review vid. One of the yellows results in a very flat IF yellow, would likely be great for a base to build up exactly what you want
White Scars got nurfed in this edition :(
I think they are very strong, but only in the hands of a brilliant player.
What if the person who made the plan is a complete idiot tho?
IF being the posterchild faction is just fucked.
To be honest i have multiple f#$k up's with my EC army.
Or ya know. Just 3D print whatever and maybe be out ~40 bucks if you somehow use up two whole roles of filament or a bottle of resin on whatever your printing.
First comment whoooo!