Colossal weapons are not useless, they are actually more useful than ever because they have functioning hyperarmor. Meaning all of these weapons now being capable of poise breaking will be powerless against a well timed colossal weapon attack. Plus with aimpunch being fixed we no longer have to worry about our attacks missing.
The fact that this still PvP/PvE separated is what truly makes this amazing. It's such a fantastic way to appease both sides of the gameplay coin. I don't want my poise to be irritating like it was in Dark souls 3 when I'm fighting hordes of little annoying enemies, but I also don't want to go up against a monster in PvP who just ignores everything I throw at them and just mindlessly R1's/L2's until they die.
I don't want to alarm you, but I'm pretty sure the new poise system is also there for PvE, I tested a little bit against soldiers in limgrave and the first hit stunned, while the second didn't. I'm not 100% sure on this tho
Not sure if the patch will make pvp more fun in the long run but a shake up is definitely what the game needed. Although with big changes like this it's going to need supporting balance changes for a while.
@@draelos8570 or it'll just be PSSS, thrusting sword and shamshir until the end of time i hope not, and i hope it turns out that plenty of weapons are viable, but i do fear the worst
@@hennyboi1523 that's what I mean by supporting balance changes. Those weapons were already good even when they couldn't poise break. If they do nerf them I hope it's just a dmg nerf instead of a speed nerf which would make them unusable.
@@minecraftmaster12245 that’s not even remotely a solution. The state of hyperarmor right now is at the point where everyone might as well have infinite poise. Saying “just roll” is not a solution to having infinite poise.
Video suggestion: make a video walking through all of the major patches since launch so those of us that quit PvP a month into the game can get back up to speed :)
Colossal weapons poising through dual greataxes and not even that much damage is pure bliss, can't say the same for that poor bloke who got interrupted
Nagakiba + Stormcaller is officially up there for my top ten favorite weapons in any From game. Now the game needs only a few more tweaks for it to approach the vicinity of good.
@@YarnhamBrainsucker The first hit stuns, so it's real good at punishing inward rolls. Objectively speaking, a spear or halberd with Black Flame Tornado would be better, but I like Stormcaller Naga aesthetically.
@@shaan3512 Spinning Slash is pretty good. More convenient in terms of offensive pressure as opposed to a purely defensive AOE like Stormcaller, so it depends on the situation.
I’m convinced we’re going to get a lot more PVP patches, especially ones to deal with phantom sailing and possibly even invasion changes, to prepare for the coming DLC. They want everyone ready to go for PVP before the DLC drops and they don’t want issues with overleved phantom and bullgoat monsters to ruin the experience. Devs clearly listen, we just have to be patient.
@@protonjones54 No not yet, but I can see that changing in the future. There is going to be A LOT of co-op when the DLC drops so they’re definitely going to want to address is. It may not be till closer till the DLC releases, but I will take later over never.
So what is the minimum poise we need now? I had 89 before but am excited about improving fashion. Also, as good as some parts of this patch are, people are really sleeping on how OP some ashes of war have become e.g. storm stomp, waterfowl, etc. Light weapons seem pretty overtuned damage wise for this level of poisebreaking.
Yeah the armor in Elden Ring is really good but so "aggressively aesthetic" sometimes that it really doesn't go with anything. I also hate anything with a plume and I swear that's half the helmets in this game.
@@ni9274 DS2 had the best fashion, lot‘s of sets to mix and match. Green, bronze, purple, white, red (…) it‘s all there. Then again it had 3 dlcs to draw from. Hope ER can top it with the expansion.
Carian regal weapons ash of war is straight up broken now. If you get stuck in it the forward momentum that it has will keep you in range so there’s no escape.
This is inevitably going to cause everyone to shift to medium armor. // Man, it's too bad they made all these important changes when many people have moved on.
@@xgodzgangsta tbf I'm glad it came before the dlc. Going into the dlc with so many issues would be depressing. Since it would miss the second wave of new players.
@@elwiwi4638in general more fashion. I swear ds3 has more sets And weapons. (Seriously how do we only have 4 reapers? And very few naturally paired weapons) Or close. For a open world game this is lacking in selection. Dont get me wrong i like some of the fashion in game but we need a Lot more especially dark clothes and armors there isnt enough ds3 had lots more dark pieces to mix and match around with. I also would like more alternative garments maybe even different colors for some sets, and cloaks or capes on some that did not have the option.
There is a button to toggle boosters on and off so we will atleast see some advanced ac5 booster managment tech. It might be even more important managing your boosters to get to the ground asap because energy recharges alot faster on the ground
For PvP, it's the biggest possible thing that could've ever happened, because the game's balance is largely built around poise.. And the way poise works has now fundamentally changed. Meeting specific poise thresholds to be able to tank certain weapons is now no longer necessary, so the kinds of armour people will be using is likely to change. At the same time, lighter weapons/attacks that were considered bad because people can just poise through them have now become much better, since that doesn't hold them back anymore. The fact that more things stun you now also opens up the potential for more true combos - the possibilities are endless. On top of all that, they also nerfed one of the most annoying abilities in PvP, Bloodhoundstep as well as Quickstep.
So after fishing in the arena for a few hours its slightly different the grab is a little quicker but catch flame is real nasty im using dagger for crits and catch flame lol
As long as you have more than like 15 you good for hyper armor trades i think so light armor is really good now but I haven’t tested a lot but i think its true like ds3. If you dont trade you can now actually not wear certain armor pieces now for fashion sake or use super light sets. Fashion souls is back:)
I'm trying to understand what I'm seeing but with stabs it sounds exactly like what From said - they've increased the allowed angle to your opponent's back, but the 2nd check is still aware of the direction your opponent is facing. In DS 3, the 2nd check cared only about the distance between you two, which is where the good 'suction' came from. Of course, this good suction is exactly what made the experience unpleasant for inexperienced players who felt (wrongly) that they were getting screwed over. The ER version has felt better to inexperienced players, but at the expense of more skillful play. In 1.10, they just shifted the balance slightly toward skill. That's what it seems, anyway. I've heard some players say the new system is just like DS 3, but that's not what I'm seeing.
So, if this is gabri's doing, i wonder if the one handed spear not poise breaking is to try and open up the potential for strafing pss. Oh, and to balance shieldpoke
man, they really hate twinblade users huh. no poise break, no hyper armor and why? i mean it's a two handed weapon but paired weapons get to break on every hit.
I like the Hyper Armor dmg reduction buff and the aimpunch fix was a godsend, but I'm very skeptical of the passive poise change because this could easily make the hyper armor buffs not as relevant as we want them to be.
the person in the chat saying "I highly doubt hyper armor is back, haven't tested though" is a reminder to never take people seriously just because they state something confidently.
Yooo i was fighting a guy with a one handed straight sword earlier and he was poise breaking me everytime not gonna lie man straight sword might be really ok now for close quarters
most heavy weapons have hyper armour and damage resistance while attacking instead, so while swinging a greatsword you have very few things that can stun you out of it.
they nerfed Flame or the Redmanes but thats ok i can Poise break most enemies and DELETE HP on bosses with weak physical protection cos I got the 6 star dragon ball Headbutt and 5 ball star dragon slap 4 star dragon ball Roar.
Sword and board does feel better but BS feel same and its the same old over tuned damage as day 1 smh and no more players added so my dream of fight clubs is still dead
it's like an poise boost that works like anti stagger, that kicks in on bigger weapons when you're in the middle of an attack animation so if you swing with a colossal greatsword at the right time, while the opponent is swinging into you, they won't interrupt your swing and it becomes a trade
Colossal weapons are not useless, they are actually more useful than ever because they have functioning hyperarmor. Meaning all of these weapons now being capable of poise breaking will be powerless against a well timed colossal weapon attack. Plus with aimpunch being fixed we no longer have to worry about our attacks missing.
Stomp is sexy
Also reduced damage during hyper armor
Still need to be able to combo r1s after winning a trade
Honestly the only thing in the way is powerstanced spears and straight swords doing equivalent damage.
@@howarddewing6617 maybe combo it with offhand curved sword
G9's earlier statement of "No tier lists until all patches are out" rings so true today; you never know what can happen
The fact that this still PvP/PvE separated is what truly makes this amazing. It's such a fantastic way to appease both sides of the gameplay coin. I don't want my poise to be irritating like it was in Dark souls 3 when I'm fighting hordes of little annoying enemies, but I also don't want to go up against a monster in PvP who just ignores everything I throw at them and just mindlessly R1's/L2's until they die.
I don't want to alarm you, but I'm pretty sure the new poise system is also there for PvE, I tested a little bit against soldiers in limgrave and the first hit stunned, while the second didn't. I'm not 100% sure on this tho
@@mainlyjmnah it was stated to be for pvp lol who hit u the trolls?
@@capolean2902 Yeah you're probably right, it was under the pvp only patches so yeah
@@mainlyjm It's PvP only. Not sure what you were testing haha. No differences in PvE for me.
@@YangBalanceYin yeah must've been my confirmation bias
Not sure if the patch will make pvp more fun in the long run but a shake up is definitely what the game needed. Although with big changes like this it's going to need supporting balance changes for a while.
I think it definitely will. At the very least this will explode build variety. Before most of the weapons were hard countered by high poise.
@@draelos8570
or it'll just be PSSS, thrusting sword and shamshir until the end of time
i hope not, and i hope it turns out that plenty of weapons are viable, but i do fear the worst
@@hennyboi1523 that's what I mean by supporting balance changes. Those weapons were already good even when they couldn't poise break. If they do nerf them I hope it's just a dmg nerf instead of a speed nerf which would make them unusable.
@@draelos8570I’ve mostly fought thrusting sword paired with halberd/spear
I dunno, all of the changes seem like massive Ws, curbing brain dead playstyles
Hyperarmor being back is so great, I did some zwei duels and could actually tank stuff while swinging
There’s too much hyperarmor. My halberd should not be able to infinitely tank your halberds. Turns into mashing
@@MeAmSmartjust don’t mash then roll out..
@@minecraftmaster12245 that’s not even remotely a solution. The state of hyperarmor right now is at the point where everyone might as well have infinite poise. Saying “just roll” is not a solution to having infinite poise.
@@minecraftmaster12245 Terrible solution lmao
@@MeAmSmart I don't understand why so many people don't see the issue with this. Every other change imo except Hyper Armor was perfect.
Gabri patch has dropped and we're loving it
single naginata is probably insanely good and fun now, i think i wanna try it
Every single patch makes my sword and board straightsword build better and I'm loving it
We just have to tune the damage and we’ll have something here. I’m one shotting a little too much 💀
What are you using?
Just lower powerstance damage + (some) spells/ashes, and the combat will be basically fine in my view.
Man this is so great
You should update the description. "It's time to say goodbye to Elden Ring and embrace Dark Souls 3"
Video suggestion: make a video walking through all of the major patches since launch so those of us that quit PvP a month into the game can get back up to speed :)
Colossal weapons poising through dual greataxes and not even that much damage is pure bliss, can't say the same for that poor bloke who got interrupted
one thing I love about this is that fashion is back
Main feature of all souls games. Fashion 💃🕺
Nagakiba + Stormcaller is officially up there for my top ten favorite weapons in any From game. Now the game needs only a few more tweaks for it to approach the vicinity of good.
Not hating or anything but why stormcaller? I’m a fan of stormcaller did it get a buff or something?
@@YarnhamBrainsucker The first hit stuns, so it's real good at punishing inward rolls. Objectively speaking, a spear or halberd with Black Flame Tornado would be better, but I like Stormcaller Naga aesthetically.
@@Kumo-s6f Is it any better than Spinning Slash on the Nagakiba? That was previously a really good option (and most likely still pretty good)
@@shaan3512 Spinning Slash is pretty good. More convenient in terms of offensive pressure as opposed to a purely defensive AOE like Stormcaller, so it depends on the situation.
I’m convinced we’re going to get a lot more PVP patches, especially ones to deal with phantom sailing and possibly even invasion changes, to prepare for the coming DLC.
They want everyone ready to go for PVP before the DLC drops and they don’t want issues with overleved phantom and bullgoat monsters to ruin the experience.
Devs clearly listen, we just have to be patient.
They made changes to over leveled phantoms?
that's why it took them a while to release the arena
@@protonjones54 No not yet, but I can see that changing in the future. There is going to be A LOT of co-op when the DLC drops so they’re definitely going to want to address is. It may not be till closer till the DLC releases, but I will take later over never.
I am expecting the player as the boss like in the ringed city makes a return.
Brooo whips stunning fullgoat is my wet dream
Gabri just pulled a David Goggins on Fromsoft devs.
Ah yes the Pntiff curved sword update
I DONT KNOW WHO GABRI IS BUT I SHALL PRAISE HIM IF THIS IS HIS DOING.
So what is the minimum poise we need now? I had 89 before but am excited about improving fashion. Also, as good as some parts of this patch are, people are really sleeping on how OP some ashes of war have become e.g. storm stomp, waterfowl, etc. Light weapons seem pretty overtuned damage wise for this level of poisebreaking.
You don't need any poise as standard the only thing that matters is defenses
I heard 51 for carian slicer.
Naked for light roll
@@K40005with 70 poise i cant tank ANYTHING in pve what the hell are you talking
@@Tek_Minator light class attacks like a soldier swing or albinauric axe swing not a boss hitting you with a sword the size of a small house
"Bullgoat shitters punching the air right now" lmao
30:55 LMAO the excitement is real. Sooo many things to try its gonna be a mess in the best way possible
Looks like Miyazaki is scared you're gone to Skyrim forever, so he ordered his main PvP employee to make a fuss before it's too late.
poise v lighting slash attacks *THERE WILL BE BLOOD! SHEAD!*
So poise Is gone so fashion souls has a meaning again, oh nvm none of the the armor has barely any synergies
Yeah the armor in Elden Ring is really good but so "aggressively aesthetic" sometimes that it really doesn't go with anything. I also hate anything with a plume and I swear that's half the helmets in this game.
ER armors are so much better than DS3/DS2, in DS3 basically everything is the same edgy dark fantasy knight armor that only look good on their own.
@@ni9274 DS2 had the best fashion, lot‘s of sets to mix and match.
Green, bronze, purple, white, red (…) it‘s all there. Then again it had 3 dlcs to draw from.
Hope ER can top it with the expansion.
@@NoNono-o3hDude light clothes had a lot of drip.
@@NoNono-o3h compare it to elden ring where all light clothes are dirty, ragged clothes.
Pro tip: the backstab fix is an indirect nerf to jumping attacks. ;)
Backstabs are broken and can be animation cancelled
Jebanana can stop wearing the elf shoes
Carian regal weapons ash of war is straight up broken now. If you get stuck in it the forward momentum that it has will keep you in range so there’s no escape.
This is inevitably going to cause everyone to shift to medium armor. // Man, it's too bad they made all these important changes when many people have moved on.
Many people have moved on? lol not everyone buys the game on release man
@@xgodzgangsta tbf I'm glad it came before the dlc. Going into the dlc with so many issues would be depressing. Since it would miss the second wave of new players.
now all they need is more fashionable medium armor choices, or fashionable choices, or armor
@@elwiwi4638in general more fashion. I swear ds3 has more sets And weapons. (Seriously how do we only have 4 reapers? And very few naturally paired weapons) Or close. For a open world game this is lacking in selection. Dont get me wrong i like some of the fashion in game but we need a Lot more especially dark clothes and armors there isnt enough ds3 had lots more dark pieces to mix and match around with. I also would like more alternative garments maybe even different colors for some sets, and cloaks or capes on some that did not have the option.
@@kuru-yami9416ds3 only had 4 scythes
Sword and board is very fun now.
🗡️ 🛡️
Holy shit did this patch just single handedly save Fashion Souls™?
I waited a long time for a patch like this, it’s a shame I’m already long gone from this game and it’s pvp
dual zweis with poison lets go, mad fun in invasions. twinbird kite coded sword duelists inbound..
Where was the 5 hour LORDS OF THE FALLEN breakdown???
I've stayed true to psss and Gabri blesses me truly
There is a button to toggle boosters on and off so we will atleast see some advanced ac5 booster managment tech. It might be even more important managing your boosters to get to the ground asap because energy recharges alot faster on the ground
Wrong video dude!
@@D3frost85 idk how my comment even got put on this video lol. I never even watched this video
I haven’t been keeping up with ER to fully grasp the scale of this patch. Can someone please clarify how big this is?
For PvP, it's the biggest possible thing that could've ever happened, because the game's balance is largely built around poise.. And the way poise works has now fundamentally changed.
Meeting specific poise thresholds to be able to tank certain weapons is now no longer necessary, so the kinds of armour people will be using is likely to change. At the same time, lighter weapons/attacks that were considered bad because people can just poise through them have now become much better, since that doesn't hold them back anymore. The fact that more things stun you now also opens up the potential for more true combos - the possibilities are endless.
On top of all that, they also nerfed one of the most annoying abilities in PvP, Bloodhoundstep as well as Quickstep.
@@shaan3512 Thank you!
So after fishing in the arena for a few hours its slightly different the grab is a little quicker but catch flame is real nasty im using dagger for crits and catch flame lol
Our Lord and Savior Gabri, my tribute to you shall be tbagging my opponents in your name every Sunday.
FINALLY, IM COMING BACK TO THE GAME. FASHION IS BACK IN PVP. LETS FKIN GO!!!!
What about shieldpokes? Do they stagger as well now?
So is there any advantage to having high poise? Or is it purley Elden Bling now?
As long as you have more than like 15 you good for hyper armor trades i think so light armor is really good now but I haven’t tested a lot but i think its true like ds3. If you dont trade you can now actually not wear certain armor pieces now for fashion sake or use super light sets. Fashion souls is back:)
And then dlc comes out and breaks the balance.
I'm trying to understand what I'm seeing but with stabs it sounds exactly like what From said - they've increased the allowed angle to your opponent's back, but the 2nd check is still aware of the direction your opponent is facing. In DS 3, the 2nd check cared only about the distance between you two, which is where the good 'suction' came from.
Of course, this good suction is exactly what made the experience unpleasant for inexperienced players who felt (wrongly) that they were getting screwed over.
The ER version has felt better to inexperienced players, but at the expense of more skillful play. In 1.10, they just shifted the balance slightly toward skill.
That's what it seems, anyway. I've heard some players say the new system is just like DS 3, but that's not what I'm seeing.
good, the game needed less hyper armour, armour should be more for DR and element resist than being able to mindlessly stand still through attacks
So, if this is gabri's doing, i wonder if the one handed spear not poise breaking is to try and open up the potential for strafing pss. Oh, and to balance shieldpoke
man, they really hate twinblade users huh. no poise break, no hyper armor and why? i mean it's a two handed weapon but paired weapons get to break on every hit.
Twinblade riding the eternal struggle bus
I didn't test repeating thrust but it could be very fun with cold affinity
Holy fuck it just dawned on me. St.Trina Swords are going to be meta as fuck now.
Were back to FASHION SOULS FOR ARMOR. I did it anyway but now you can't lionel armor bleed yourself to victory.
Ladies and maidenless runts, let us pray for our lord and saviour Gabri for finally gifting us his blessing
Powerstancing giant crushers on an endurance build actually feels really strong rn
Oops! All poise breaks!
mannnnnn 1v3s are going to be aaassssssssss
they always were ass
@@foxxo217 ds3 but more tools to deal with them. also more shittery for them too. ds3 on crack lmao
Elden Ring is basically DS3 on crack now. Armored Core 6 is around the corner... what a time to be alive
Im the happy baby on the thumbnail when i heard this news
I like the Hyper Armor dmg reduction buff and the aimpunch fix was a godsend, but I'm very skeptical of the passive poise change because this could easily make the hyper armor buffs not as relevant as we want them to be.
we are so back
We’ve never been more back than this! But fr this update made saint riot even more of an absolute unit probably
How does this effect great sword gameplay?
the person in the chat saying "I highly doubt hyper armor is back, haven't tested though" is a reminder to never take people seriously just because they state something confidently.
Yooo i was fighting a guy with a one handed straight sword earlier and he was poise breaking me everytime not gonna lie man straight sword might be really ok now for close quarters
Bros I don't get it... Is like getting stunned by a dagger a good thing? Why even run heavy weapons anymore? Can anyone explain
most heavy weapons have hyper armour and damage resistance while attacking instead, so while swinging a greatsword you have very few things that can stun you out of it.
Colossal swords would like to know your location.
They poise break ALL hyper armour.
I've been shredding people with the miscorde. R1 spam is back bois.
Jeenine is rubbing one out this whole month with Elden Ring patches and AC6.
I like these patch test videos but I still haven’t really changed my build since launch💀 either I rework or I just won’t use something as much
Gabri controls us now.
Gonna cry...
Hope it does not become like in previous soils pvp
"The first to get bored lose"
I want some context on Gabri situation, was he the person that wrote an entire article about all the problems in PVP?
He has a 4 video series discussing how poise is negative for the pvp
they nerfed Flame or the Redmanes but thats ok
i can Poise break most enemies and DELETE HP on bosses with weak physical protection cos I got the 6 star dragon ball Headbutt and 5 ball star dragon slap 4 star dragon ball Roar.
I'm glad backstab fishing isnt super easy. Seems gimmicky.
New name for this patch:
GABRI PATCH
There's a new backstab animation cancel glitch
Where?
@@yachisan found it while playing in arena
@@yachisan now uploading as a short on my channel
@@K40005 this was there before the patch, its exclusive to hammers
@@Jeenine fair enough I just never used hammers before because they weren't good
I hope repeating thrust and flame dance poise breaks.
Who's Gabri?
off halberd or cgs mainhand dagger r2?
❓
This is worth coming back for
Praise the Gabri
AI AM TELLIN YA MAN GABRI DID THIS FOR 4 MINUTES
I'm loving this as a GUGS boi
so how much poise should one run now? is it wholly useless?
It's pretty useless
only defense matters, so if you are going for colossal build you will need the extra defense for trading, otherwise just wear what you want
Fashion Souls For Life!
Im gonna roll around with lightning ram ⚡ 🐏 🤣
People who whining about powerstanced weapons are now much more powerful need to learn this simple trick called spacing
ITS BACK BOYS!!! WE'RE BACK IN BUSINESS
The testing of all time!
Thank god Gabri exists🙏
Is this patch in effect now?
ye
holy shit finally
Powerstance still needs nerfing but otherwise this is a great patch.
Sword and board does feel better but BS feel same and its the same old over tuned damage as day 1 smh and no more players added so my dream of fight clubs is still dead
They killed bullgoat and it's the best thing ever
Even in dark souls 3 i feel a lot more im tanking,this is just a insult to us tank
My god every weapon is now viable 😂 kick true combo 😂
Its about fucking time we get hyper armor WTF ?
Honestly suprised they actually did it too bad i moved on from this game already
we had "hyper armor" with poise due to poise being count twice from your weapon and your armor set
Yesssss
Ds3 bs were absurd, im glad its similar but not too much like in ds3
we won??
WHO tf is Gavrii?
Hey what is hyperarmor?
it's like an poise boost that works like anti stagger, that kicks in on bigger weapons when you're in the middle of an attack animation
so if you swing with a colossal greatsword at the right time, while the opponent is swinging into you, they won't interrupt your swing and it becomes a trade
Thankyou!
Also, THAT IS BADASS! GAMECHANGER !