Hogan vs Flair : WrestleMania's Missed Opportunity
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When Ric Flair made his way to the WWF in late 1991, the wrestling world was sure that "The Nature Boy" would battle Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 8. Ric Flair came to the WWF holding the "Big Gold Belt", (the NWA / WCW championship) and Vince McMahon had no issues with showing the championship on WWF programming. Claiming to be "The Real World's Champion", Ric Flair's arrival garnered a ton of attention from the wrestling media.
Hulk Hogan had regained the WWF Championship at WrestleMania VII. Throughout 1991 Hogan mainly worked with Sgt. Slaughter, but when Ric Flair made his WWF debut it seemed like the WWF didn't know what direction to go in. Sid Justice also made his WWF debut around the same time, and while the WWF were initially going to go with Sid vs Hogan at WrestleMania, the bigger drawing match would definitely be Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair. A series of events would lead to the Flair vs Hogan match not happening, and there have been many reasons given as to why the biggest marquee match in WWF history (at the time) didn't take place. This video looks at Hulk Hogan's journey to WrestleMania VIII, Ric Flair's WWF debut, and the WrestleMania 8 main events.
00:00 - Hulk Hogan after WrestleMania VII
04:18 - Ric Flair's arrival to the WWF
08:29 - Survivor Series 1991, This Tuesday in Texas & Royal Rumble 1992
12:29 - Flair vs Hogan does not happen at Mania 8
17:49 - Hogan leaves the WWF
- Much More!
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I remember Ric Flair's 1992 promos towards the Warrior, "I've been beating up guys with paint on their face my whole career".
Which is true because the "Other guy with paint" Is Helwigs old Friend (The Real Icon) Sting.
Just in case others didnt understand your comment.
which is a reference to both Sting and the Road Warriors.
The shade to Sting and The Road Warriors whew
Haha. Me too man!!! That was an AWESOME LINE!
@@Jim-Tuner No! Its a reference to Sting and Sting alone!
I love how Bret was considered a small guy but Bret at this time was way more jacked and huge than most of the entire current roster in wwe
More lighter
I’d consider Bret a shorter guy not small. He had a medium build so even though he was shorter he looked bigger. Unlike Shawn Michaels who was scrawny and I would consider him small. And that’s why IMO Bret had more credibility against the bigger guys than Shawn if that makes sense
He really wasn’t. Was he cut and looked great, yes. Bigger? No.
@@andrewcolvin1454 Shawn worked best with big guys tho. The story was always how is this little dude gonna get one over on this big guy? And he always used his quickness and brain to beat em. That's why his matches was so fun to watch. Cause you just KNEW he was gonna get slaughtered.
@@andrewcolvin1454Bret knew how to bring the best out of big guys or guys who couldn’t get over
you need to be hired by a major wrestling company as their on-air historian somehow. You really do
i disagree greatly, because you know whatever company would try to control what he talks about, especially if it was WWE, they would have him telling the same lies they already tell everyone about history.
They only advantage would but the more extensive catalogs and more money but he would be mostly limited to one company, have to keep somethings hidden, couldn't speak his mind and have way too many rules
Ya I agree with the guys below… but maybe hired by vice to do a series with their money… that would probably be a better alternative… but selfishly I’d love for this channel to go forever 😅
If anything, he should finish the entire series and then try to get it onto the wwe network as it is with an agreement for no changes to be made.
Edit: actually come to think of it, that wouldnt work either. He should just keep doing his own thing.
Savage could beat him sideways. Piper straight up beat him quiet. All hogan had was status. Hogan was a chump in NWO.
Believing "Flair and Hogan couldn't decide on a finish" is an overwhelmingly realistic conclusion.
The reason it didn’t happen was because Hulk was leaving it’s as simple as that and there’s no way if it had you couldn’t have had Hogan going over.
They didn't have an issue just over 2 years later.
Honestly Flair would GLADLY put over anyone anywhere. Hogan on the other hand NOOOO. I can easily see Vince in secrete confronting Hogan like "Terry what you think about working with Flair in Mania? We already did you both in house shows so it shouldn't be a big deal"..
Hogan: Mania and house shows are two different things Vince..
I think Terry got cold feet.
That's when Wm 8 could have had a 6 man elimination match with Flair, Hogan, Sid, Piper, Taker, and Savage and let Savage or Sid come out on top
@@Phenaam12 6 man elimination match as the main event of Wrestlemania? Idk maybe today but back then it just sounds too messy. Normally manias main even is a clash between the two best in the company that year with the title on the line. Always with the top face taking the victory for that feel good happy family moment. 80s and early 90s would never have let a multiman slugfest go down on the last card of the night. Vince would've had a sh*tfit.
Wrestlemania 8 was kind of the end of the Hogan/golden era. Besides Hogan leaving, Piper and Jake Roberts also left. Santana putting over Michaels, Jake putting over Taker, Martel putting over Tatanka, and Piper putting over Hart was all like a changing of the guard ushering in the younger talent. Sid was also gone about 2 weeks later. Warrior was gone by Survivor Series, and Savage started doing more commentary, and wrestling part time. I remember right after mania Warrior was to feud with Sid and Undertaker with Papa Shango. Then when Sid left Warriors feud switched to Shango and Undertaker started feuding with the Berzerker.
You re right , this PPV is the last ppv of the golden Era and the beginning of the New generation era
I agree with most of what you said but the WWF still had Flair/Perfect/Big Bossman/Dibiase/LOD/Nasty Boys etc competing. I’d say that Survivor series 92 was the last PPV era of the Golden age of WWF.
That botched sloppy DQ finish pretty much summed it up. It was a jokey I end the PPV.
@Alex Kanyima I agree to it being a catalyst for a change of talent. But a full on transition happened towards the end of 92 and was quite noticeable at the beginning of 1993.
The declining years of wrestling 1993-1995
@Alex Kanyima wrestling was so poorly scripted and the whole industry suffered those years. Things really took off on 1996 with formation of the NWO and start of the Monday night wars era. ECW etc
That was some of the most blatant crowd dubbing that I can recall on the Rumble replay.
anywhere we can see the original?
I think it's awesome that Sid kicked out of Hogan's legdrop. When I watched it live as a kid back in the day I didn't think it was a botch at all... I was thinking "Hogan's time is up".
I was at Wrestlemania 8. I remember the kickout and thinking, "What the hell just happened?"
Vince: "Hey Hogan I got an idea, Rics coming and I and the committee think it would be a good idea he go over at Mania"
Hogan: *Stroking his handlebar mustache* "That doesn't work for me, BROTHER!"
Well brother.Its sounds good dude but ya know,it wouldn’t be fair to Randy and Andre dude.They had to take the big leg.I wouldn’t feel I’m doing them justice if I don’t power out of his figure 4 and drop the big leg on him brother
Macho Man didn't even put Flair over at Mania, so I don't think Vince asked Hogan to put Flair over...I also think Flair would have jobbed to Hogan without making a stink...Truth is WWF booked Hogan/Flair matches at house shows prior to Mania because, according to reports, Vince needed the influx of cash at the time...I guess Vince felt that some of the luster of that match up was lost as a result, and decided to go in a different direction at Mania.
@@Jonwood74 No lol. Hogan killed the idea and the Mania match. U could see it in his face in one of those documentaries when asked what happened to the match "I don't know what happened brother, it is what it is" just like Hogan saying he only used his creative control ONCE in WCW and that was in 2000 at Badh at the Beach lol right.
@@theseeker7711 Hogan: "If this were real I'd go out there and beat Flair in 10 seconds Brother, and then I drop the leg on the entire roster one at a time Brother, it's best for business brother"
@@nick56677 Hogan was always about making money, as he should have been, because wrestling is a business...Bobby Heenan once said that Hogan would work with anybody if he thought it would draw. Hogan was already wrestling Flair at house shows so why would he balk at a Mania showdown...I think Flair would have put Hogan over without hesitation, as Flair was just happy to be out of WCW...The decision to nix the match was a financial one. Perhaps a miscalculation, but nothing more.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Hogan wanted to no sell everything and dominate “hulkamania” style... look at their WCW matches 🤷🏾♂️ 🤦🏽♂️
The original plan was for Hogan to lose at WM 8 then win it back at Summer Slam. Hogan refuse to job at WM 8 in typical fashion.
You should watch the actual Hogan vs Flair 91 house matches. They are actually very good. I believe from the Garden. Much better than the WCW matches from 94.
@@The_PainofBeingAMan yeah it’s easy to do that what no one is watching.
@@robertgriffin5703 lol that's not at it all.
I was shocked on the Flair 30 for 30 when Hogan admitted Flair was easily the better wrestler. I always remember what Bruno Sammartino (I think) said when describing Hogan's ability: "He has two moves, and my grandmother does that leg drop better."
Hogan worked better in Japan.Im Japan he showed more wrestling skill,.in WWF he was supposed to be the comeback hero he didn't need to show.much wrestling
That was Lou Thesz who said that.
Another ace video mate.
I would love to see one on Ric Flairs whole 91-93 WWF run.....
I am so glad you got into the steroid issue. They got Hogan, Warrior, and Savage off of TV so fast, and they ALL came back looking significantly smaller. I personally think that was the reason.
There is more detail at that time in 1992
to play fantasy warfare a bit, imagine a Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair WWF championship match at WM8, but a title match (or rematch) at SummerSlam 92 in London at Wembley Stadium. THAT could have been EPIC. Could have had Hogan win the title at WM8, just hold the thing all summer, with an occasional promo, setting up the rematch at Wembley, where Flair wins. Or vice versa. Could have still did Warrior vs Savage too. Rematch of their WM7 match, and winner gets the champion at Survivor Series or something.
im happy how it actually played out. But to play the "what if" game is fun sometimes.
Savage vs Flair was one of the best WM title matches/ storylines ever. Randy Savage was still in his prime and could carry the company. I'm glad it happened the way it did.
It's a last minute change
9:14 "Uhhh you got me brother".
Hogan was such an ass
...and then Hogan went to WCW and beat Flair 100 times in a row, the end
It was amazing at how much control he had. They should have changed the name of World Championship Wrestling To Hogan Championship Wrestling.
Dusty Rhodes beat Ric Flair 25,000 times in a row.
trustobey1016 yeah but Flair went over when it mattered
@@trustobey1016 He had a legendary feud with Terry Funk!
But Terry Funk always wupped his ass so he don't feel like talking about that now.
And never sold for flair in any of their encounters in WCW
Have Sid attack Hogan during the match, Hogan wins by DQ, Flair keeps the title. How hard is that?
then make sure to have Sid, Flair, Hennig, and even Papa Shango for good measure, whoop Hogan's ass for a bit and then have the Warrior run out and clean house and save Hulk. Show still ends the exact same way. It definitely could have worked. Although I didn't mind Savage being Champion all summer.
The only thing is, a match that big needs a clear winner. I remember when Flair arrived in late 1991; we immediately knew the WrestleMania main event would be Hogan v Flair. Close, but no cigar.
Because Hogan's gotta pose with the belt... BROTHER.
Exactly
@@TheSBleeder but how ?
If they has done it right it'd be one of the greatest feuds of all time. Instead, the Nature Boy Ric Flair had to suffer loss after loss to Hogan's ego
Yet every wrestling fan knows who the better wrestler was. The contemporary market favored Hogan, history shows the truth.
Been watching some old Flair stuff. Would like to see a Ric Flair series on your channel. Good stuff.
The plans for WrestleMania VIII were a lot different from what happened:
- Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan for the WWF title
- Randy Savage vs Jake Roberts in some sort of blow off match
- a face Sid Justice vs a heel Undertaker
- Marty Jannetty vs Shawn Michaels (scrapped when Marty got fired one of many times)
- Money Inc vs Sgt Slaughter and Jim Duggan for the tag team titles
- LOD vs Natural Disasters in a street fight
- Big Bossman/British Bulldog/Virgil vs Mountie/Nasty Boys
- Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart for the IC title seems to be the one major thing that didn’t change
And what about The Ultimate Warrior ?
@@lexkanyima2195 Not sure, during those earlier stages he might not have been figured in yet.
@@JMaxwell85 maybe as a last minute replacement
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I love when @Wrestling Bios takes me back to an era I wasn't born but I am curious about like the WCW and ECW and the Attitude Era...👍👍
In regards to WWE ATTITUDE ERA & WCW MONDAY NITRO...Put it like this... I was in college, my apartment was across from the elevator. I would have my door open & people would walk by and make fun & laugh. I started challenging anyone talking slick to sit & watch that NWO sh#t on WCW MONDAY NITRO. Within a month, my apartment was filled with people goin crazy. And these were NOT wrestling fans..
The early to mid 90's were such a cluster I don't know what you could of done. Late 1992 to mid 1996 really was the dark ages for the modern era of sports entertainment .
People complain about WWE today, 95 was worse my God.
It did have it's highlights, Bret Hart being the best during those years,
Yep, that was about the time I lost interest in wrestling. Didn't start watching wrestling again until 2001, but even then I didn't really get into it. Amazingly though, the first WCW Nitro I watched was the WWE takeover. I was like, "What the heck is going on here?" I started getting back into wrestling though during the very late Attitude Era. Both The Rock and Steve Austin were starting to move on and the Ruthless Aggression Era was starting. A great time in wrestling. After both Eddie G. and Chris B. died and Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar moved on my interest started to fade again.
Dude you just got me thinking. Imagine if that classic match between "Savage & Warrior" were not only a "Career vs. Career" stipulation, but FOR THE TITLE??!! THAT WOULD BE HUGE, EVEN MORE EPIC, than what it was!
I disagree. The very fact that it WASN'T for the title is what made it special. Would you have preferred that Shawn Michaels last match against the Undertaker would have been for the title ? Or Flair vs Michaels? A mans career is much more important than any title. WrestleMania 7 was legitimately supposed to be Randy Savage's farewell. The whole point of the match was so he could reunite with Elizabeth and end his career as a baby face. ( of course he was back in the ring only a few months later but that's another story😁)
@@PlumbPitiful you make valid points, thank you.
Flair vs Hogan didn’t happen because both Hogan and Sid gave notice after the Royal Rumble. It would not make sense to have heel Flair beat face Hogan at WM 8 main event. So the term ‘kill two birds with one stone’ was applied and make Sid vs Hogan the main event since both wanted out. And Sid was never fired, he quit after his Warrior match in Baltimore.
I felt the allure and edge of Flair’s run in the WWF dwindled after WrestleMania 8.
The allure of Flair being in the WWF was HOGAN. They were the two biggest names in the business for a decade. Which is why throwing them together a week after he's officially cleared to wrestle there is the dumbest thing McMahon could've done. I still don't understand the logic there. You're sitting on the biggest match in your promotion in the last five years and the second biggest of ALL TIME to that point, only behind Hogan and Andre at WM III. Why he sabotaged it, I'll never understand. No one can make it make sense.
@@manuginobilisbaldspot424 ??
I wasn't too excited when I saw the topic, but this was very insightful.
Why weren't you excited for it?
@@robloxeditswithleila Just didn't think it would be interesting. I guess I had accepted the line that the match didn't play well at house shows. But our good biographer here doesn't waste time.
Warrior didn’t go into VII as the Champ to face Savage because business wasn’t going great. They wanted originally to do Hogan Warrior II but Vince hated baby face vs baby face main events.
Also tbf with Hulk on Arsenio Hall he was advised to lie by McMahon.
As always, a great, thoroughly laid out video.
Good job, lad!
I always knew about the poor house show reception that WWE claims was the reason for not having the match. But you went SO much more deeper into the reasons, and what you said here makes 100% sense. There was no way Flair would beat Hogan during this WWF era. They wouldn’t end the show with that. Great video keep up the great work!
Why Hogan vs Flair did not happen at WM 8 was always a huge disappointment to me back then. Although they had a great match in 1994, I think a lot of fans were expecting a WM 8 main event between the 2.
Savage vs Flair was a better match, WWE made the right move here. having said that Hogan vs Flair was a dream match but to me lacked a spark looking at their WCW matches a couple years later
Sid talked about how Hogan blamed Vince for getting booed. He said Hogan was acting like a baby and mad that Sid was getting a bigger pop than he did.
Also I remember at servivier series 91 when undertaker won the belt he got a big pop but WWE edit later on VHS
@Bolt electric⚡️ macho man was getting more cheer then hulk hogan in late 91 and 92 also warrior when he returns to WWE got a bigger pop then hogan at WM 8
The 92 royal rumble was the last I watched as an avid fan.... I was just so pissed off at Hogan for eliminating Sid after he legitimately put out the hulkster.... after that I bearly watched it though I was looking forward to as we all thought would be the inevitable clash of Hogan v flair at wrestlemania 8.... after that I thought sod this for a laugh and never watched it again , aside from pre 92 stuff .... though up till the end the 92 royal rumble was great.... shows what flair could do as a 'has been ' , he litteraly carried the match for over an hour.... he'll always get my respect 👍
1994 Bash at the Beach Hogan vs Flair was done way better by WCW anyway.
Yes, but two years to Late!
THIS & Sting losing to Triple H at WrestleMania.. I would have to say are my two biggest heartbreaks in Wrestling..
I was so pissed when Sting lost. Plus HHH cheated and then they shook hands! WTF? Who is going to shake hands with the guy who just cheated to beat you? Worst finish ever. I hate that match.
@@2buxaslice It was Vince McMahon and WWE's way of putting the final nail in the coffin of WCW... years after it was already dead smh...
Sting was way past his prime come on now
@@chadk890 oh yeah & HHH was a spring chicken...
I always wondered why they didn’t do the Greatest Match WWF had ever had since Andre the Giant....That Trial almost buried pro wrestling...Steroids or not...Wrestlers are great entertainers and athletes!
They were legal in the 80’s and back...and it’s talent that makes u a good pro wrestler..look at all the juice boxes from that generation that sucked
Wasn't a missed opportunity. I saw Hogan vs Flair at MSG in 91 and the match wasn't that good and Hogan was burnt out at the time with the whole steroid drama that year. It didn't do good business cause business SUCKED in 1991. Savage was the better opponent for Ric and they had a good match at Mania 8.
I don't believe u were there, I didn't even see you.
The 91 matches were short but I found to actually be pretty good. Great spot with a backdrop Suplex on the floor.
Maybe their house show matches weren t good but i m sure flair and hogan at that time could have done a good match in a wm PPV. They both were in their primes and knew how to entertain. Hogan vs Warrior , or hogan vs André were great matches and flair was good
@@charlescarter4608 Bret vs Dibiase was on the card for the IC belt and went to a 15 min Draw. What else do you wanna know?
@@The_PainofBeingAMan It was the same match. Flair goes for Hogan's knee,makes the comeback, Flair pinned Hogan using brass knuckles and the officials reverse the decision. Nothing special about that
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It makes me wonder if Sid Justice's heel turn was accelerated due to the crowd's reaction to Hogan being eliminated at the Rumble in '92. If Hogan didn't have to lay low for the rest of 1992 due to the increased scrutiny WWF was in the time of the steroid scandal, was the original plan for Sid to turn heel after WrestleMania and work a program with Hogan as the champ?
No, Sid was supposed to be the next Hogan, but WWF was leaked during the steroids scandals.
Let’s agree that hogan vs flair should have happened at wrestlemania 8 and taker vs sting should have happened at wrestlemania 31
Just for the record Ric Flair won the WWFTitle in the Royal Rumble 1992, truly the GOAT of wrestling, Wooooooo!!!
Good one and it make sense especially after Flair left knew about warrior getting Vince for 50k but it was so much going on at the time.
Or what about HBK V Janetty that was going to happen this day aswell
Jannetty was fired at that time
Always felt like Flair should had stayed in the New Generation era🤷🏿♂ He could had made a great stable with Razor as the muscle, Perfect as the Manager and Money Inc. As the tag team. Always felt The Million Dollar Man was Horseman material.
Why ?
For one, Star power was sorely needed in WWF, and with Hogan gone in 1993, and Savage being forced out in 1994, Ric Flair would have been the best choice to make Bret Hart a star (he did it before) and maybe he could have swiped up Shawn Michaels in his stable, with Razor Ramon and Mr. Perfect.
Two, Flair would have been treated better in WWF then he ever was in WCW, even while going "young" I still think Ric Flair would be wrestling in some capacity
Savage\Flair was a great match and should have been the main event. Hogan\Sid could have gone on right before that
I agree... man your videos are amazing. Watch them all the time
Love your account keep up the good work 💯🔥👍
Would have been really cool though to see a long rivalry between Hogan and Flair. As a kid I always wanted to see Hogan vs. Flair. I tell you what though, that Ultimate Warrior vs. Sid Vicious match sounds very appealing. At least on paper though lol. I bet the match itself would bomb.
Finish should've been booked the same way Hogan/Sid was. Perfect interferes, gets Flair DQ'd. Sid comes down, attacks Hogan with Flair and Perfect. Warrior and/or Savage runs in to make the save. Preferably BOTH, so the Warrior/Sid and Flair/Savage programs can begin at that point. Hogan exiting the WWF shouldn't have had any impact on the match. Card really could've been
HBK/Tito
Savage/Jake (blowoff instead of at a damn SNME)
Face Taker/Heel Sid
Piper/Hart (IC title)
Money Inc/Road Warriors (Tag titles)
Ric Flair/Hulk Hogan (WWF title)
You can use the other filler matches (Tatanka/Martel, Skinner/Owen Hart, 8 man tag) to expand the card, but that set of six matches would've held up against any of the first 15 WM cards. And it could've easily worked out that way.
As much as this sounds good, I think we would all instead be complaining about the DQ finish being a weak ending to a WM like we are now. As much as Flair vs Hogan should have happened, the Savage match was amazing and helps keep WM 8 watchable for me
Yeah WM at that time ending on a DQ or even Count out finish wouldn’t have sufficed.
Pay per views, should have decisive finishes. People are paying big money to watch these events. Also it’s WrestleMania, it’s the end of the storylines for year or season. DQ endings should be few and far between. Otherwise; you’ll have WrestleMania 9 where the majority of the matches were dq finishes. It’s also one of the worst manias of the time, because of that reason.
@@Realest636 All of that is valid. I don't dispute any of the points made. All I'm saying is, if you're going to have this unique circumstance, where your 24K golden goose is exiting at this point, and YOU ALREADY BOOKED your main event to end with a DQ with a great run in by the returning superstar in Warrior, you can do that with the Hogan/Flair match. Fans would've still gone home happy if there's a Savage/Warrior/Hogan triumverate ending the show in the ring together. Guaranteed. ESPECIALLY if you acknowledge their histories and have them cool with each other.
It would have been a dream wm card
Can you do a bio on Vince McMahons wrestling matches! That would be awesome or something to do with Vince?
Greetings from west virginia USA. Your videos are fantastic. Best wishes.
Can you imagine what they really could have done with this?
If Tully & Arn had stayed. If Andre the Giant had been in good health or had Rick Rude join in. Could have had the 4 Horseman going up against Hulk Hogan and Macho Man. Also Ultimate Warrior as well. Could have built a lot around that! The feuds would have lasted for a few years!!!!
So many good matches and tag team matches would have been built around this!
hey wrestling bios can you do a top 10 video about your favourite wwf wwe stage designs
2:48 what website is that with all the WWF results?
They Should have done Hogan vs Flair at WM 8 but atleast we got to see them take on each Other in WCW more than once
@Alex Kanyima what do you mean 2 years too late? WM 8 back in 1992 would have been Tbe Perfect time for Hogan Vs Flair seeing as Hogan left WWE after Summerslam 1993 and Flair left WWE and went back to WCW in 1993 1992 at WM was the best Chance for that match in WWE but instead qe got Macho Man vs Flair at WM 8 and had to wait till 1994 for the firat Hogan vs Flair Match in WCW after Hogan got to WCW
I felt that in kayfabe Hogan vs. Sid made sense. Sid "cheated" Hogan out of winning the Royal Rumble (in a spot that was previously used in the '88 rumble where the Twin Towers double-teamed to eliminate Hogan). In that Rumble, Hogan threw a similar tantrum and then illegally eliminated the Boss Man from the outside; the very same Boss Man who technically eliminated himself in the 1992 Rumble when he leaped at Ric Flair.
One would think since he was the runner-up, Sid should have gotten a shot at Flair for the title. Though him wanting to get revenge on Hogan made perfect sense considering what happened. Plus I imagine a Flair/Sid match would have probably been even worse than a Flair/Hogan match.
One difference though is that Sid probably would have been cheered and him winning the belt would have been better received by fans. It could have been seen as redemption since he really was cheated out of winning the Rumble match.
I do like the story they created to ignite the Flair/Savage feud. I remember having the magazine that had the photoshopped images of Flair with Liz. Plus it resulted in a very good match overall with a rewarding Savage win. If Social Media and the Internet were a thing back then, they could have really pushed the angle further.
Around this same time I started watching WWF/E. Great times.
Savage made sure that HIS match was the one people remembered from 7 and 8. Well 8 was Piper Hart bit main event wise anyway.
Great video very detailed. Can you explain what it means for one wrestler to put another wrestler over? They say it all the time
It means one wrestler letting the other one win. Or going along with the script that has one guy winning over the other guy basically.
Richfield Coliseum (former home of the Cavs)1992... Richfield, Ohio. Flair/Sid vs. Hogan/Piper. I was in first grade. It was my first live pro wrestling event.
This is the BEST analysis I've ever seen done on the Wrestlemania 8 controversy! I knew a little about the back story but never to this extent! The one I really felt sorry for was Randy SAVAGE, In the midst of the WWE chaos, his marriage to Elizabeth was months away from imploding!
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Savage never ONCE had a world title win that wasn't tainted by Hogan.
Mania 4 - Hogan interferes to get Savage the belt
Mania 8 - Had to win the title halfway through the show because Hogan demanded the main event spot
World War 3 - Hogan calls an audible and changes the finish halfway through to give himself a reason to complain that he 'never lost'
Nitro(1/22/96) - Hogan runs out to 'save' Savage from the Four Horseman while he defeats Flair. Hogan then celebrates like HE won the belt.
Spring Stampede 1998 - Beats Sting for belt, loses it to Hogan(With Bret Hart) the next night on Nitro
Bash at the Beach 1999 - Wins World Title in a Tag Team Match playa, teaming with Sid against Nash and Sting. Loses belt to Hogan(With Nash) next night on Nitro
@@AmariieMaerthos That's why I never bought that "Hogan and Savage reconciled" story! It's one thing to say "How ya doin'?" than to say "I forgive you for all your B.S!" Maybe he wasn't directly responsible for the Elizabeth matter, Hogan still tried to make Randy his stooge too many times!
@@AmariieMaerthos Hogan knew that savage could sell tickets on his own. That's why he never allowed him to be in the spotlight. He also lost clean to warrior because of that reason only because warrior couldn't sell tickets like Hogan and savage did. So he was sure that Vince would come calling before summerslam
I have always wondered if Jack Tunny was actually the WWF president or was that just an act.
I have the answer and I’ll tell you if you ask nicely
@@steelerfan5140 Alright. Please tell me the answer.
The MulToyVerse He was never the President he just played one on TV, what he actually was truthfully was the HEAD PROMOTER IN TORONTO, CANADA and Vince McMahon loved his family and offered him the tv role. He DIDNT have any say in storylines.
@@steelerfan5140 Thank you for that information. To tell you the truth, I did not know that Vince was the owner till he started his "Evil Boss" heal shtick back in the late 90's. Before that, I thought he was just another announcer like Mean Gene Okerland.
Brilliant and thorough details in what should have been the match of a generation.
Think the egos were in full swing on both sides and unfortunately the timing did prove to be too turbulent and probably a bit late
Like you stated that it was highly unlikely Flair would go over and even if he did Hogan would sabotage the match to protect his on image above the business like always did
Great upload as always WB
I had two favorite wrestlers in my fandom days. More like divided in time. First Hulk Hogan and then Goldberg. Both my favorite wrestlers from two different periods are monumental deuch bags. What does this sat about me as a person? 😭😂
I always felt that Jim Crockett Jr. just let things play out because he didn't like Jim Hurd's attitude towards their champion. I'm sure the NWA could have sent Ric Flair the 10 Lbs of Gold Belt as the real NWA championship and still recognized him if Hurd would have played along. I still feel today that would have been a good olive branch to WWF from the NWA. That didn't happen, but imagine if WWF and NWA could have found a common ground and made business agreements between each other.
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Thank you!
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19:57 I completely disagree that in late 1991 to early 1992, the WWF title had already become a bit of a joke.
We have Hulk Hogan and his politics to thank for that. Taker somewhat confirmed it too.
You can watch the WWF's big Hogan vs Flair match on WWE Network under the "Old School" section. It was held in MSG and I think it was pretty damn fun.
this feels like he just uploaded it like 3 hours ago
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I can imagine it now....
Hogan: that finish isn't gonna work for me brother
Flair: I'm out
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Should have had Hogan beat Flair at Mania for the title. But then do something like they did with Steamboat with Honkytonk Man, have Flair beat Hogan on superstars via trickery during the week in a sort of random match. You could maybe build the Flair-Savage angle for Summerslam instead.
They could have done a Rock vs Cena WM28-29. One for Flair at WM8 and then one for Hogan at WM9.
Mad how this didn’t happen. But a lot of mania 8 was like this should’ve had the blow off with macho and Jake, the start of Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty feud, keep Bret Hart v Piper for the IC (which was a classic) maybe put Taker v Sid and main event Flair(wwf champ) v Hogan. Nevertheless I do like mania 8 especially Hart v Piper and Macho v Flair, both classic matches
Jimmy Hart write some sick 80s guitar riffs!
I’m binging on your videos!
Haha.. the way you say, "and we all know.." when referring to Vince not liking any creative direction that wasn't his creation.. made me laugh 😂
@ 14:00 in Maryland at the Capitol Center I was there
I was there for Wrestlemania VIII.
Piper-Bret was exceptional. Flair-Savage was great too.
Hogan-Sid was garbage except for the Warrior's return.
I do remember that Hogan got an amazing pop during his entrance even though Hulkamania was supposedly slowing down.
A lot of people forget the fact that when Hogan and Flair went around the North east loop when Flair first came in, including the Garden...ticket sales were poor. It didn't catch fire the way everyone thought it would and everyone seems to either forget that or they're just unaware. Also, those saying the finish was probably the issue, if that really was the case then that tells you that Vince wanted Flair going over, because there's absolutely no chance that Flair was being difficult. No top guy has put over as many people as Ric Flair. He even done the honours for Hogan in several different matches just two years later in his own backyard of WCW when Hulk came in. There's absolutely no credible scenario in which Ric Flair becomes the person holding things up in the finish room in the WWF in 1991/1992. Along with the fact that their initial program on the house show loop sold poorly, Vince was probably tired of Hogan saying "that doesn't work for me, brother" that he just pulled the plug and went in a different direction. Anyone with a proper grasp on history knows that there is absolutely no chance that Ric Flair would hold up headlining his first Wrestlemania in a dream match the world wanted for 10 years, just because he didn't want to lose to another iconic name in the business in Hogan. Anyone who tries to claim any different is clueless about wrestling history and clueless about the history of both guys involved.
I think the sway Flair would have had with McMahon is being very much underrated here. Vince knows the kind of Legend Flair is/was in the business, e.g. his Rumble victory was the greatest up to that point (of all time imho). Also Flair's relationship with the N.W.A. when Vince Snr was included. I agree they couldn't have Flair go over Hogan in a Mania main event, indeed I think having Hogan go over Flair with ease is one of the things that ended up, in the very long term, killing WCW. Therefore, I'd conclude a hypothetical Flair/Hogan Mania 8 match would've seen Hogan win by the pinfall but in a way that kept Flair very strong for a potential rematch, e.g. Flair getting a three count earlier in the match when the referee was down due to his own shenanigans backfiring (Heenan's reaction to this on commentary would have been gold) 👍
Do a full Andre the giant video!!!!!
Great as always mate. Luvlee.
Maybe it's coz I'm just a mark for it, and I know you tackle retro topics better than anyone, but I'd love to see you do some Bullet Club content without having to wait 20 years 😁
Wrestling was so Awesome in these days. I think I was a young teenager.
Cant keep up with the content great show Man!!!! BETWEEN Wrestling Bios and DEATH STRANDING I'm neglecting my family. Thankyou COVID!!!
Juice was there at mania 8 & it was amazing!
All they had to do was switch three matches around . . .
What we got:
Hulk Hogan Vs. Sid Justice.
WWF Championship Match:
Ric Flair [Champuon] Vs. “Macho Man” Randy Savage.
The Undertaker Vs. Jake “The Snake” Roberts.
What should have got:
WWF Championship Match:
Ric Flair [Champion] Vs. Hulk Hogan.
The Undertaker Vs. Sid Justice.
Steel Cage Match:
“Macho Man” Randy Savage Vs. Jake “The Snake” Roberts.
Yeah, imagine Jake terrorizing Liz with Damien. Or making the kind of insinuations about her that Flair had. Easy to see how explosive that match would be.
I have to admit though, Ultimate Warrior vs. Sid Vicious sounds pretty appealing. Not sure the match itself would be any good, but it definitely sounds good on paper.
Wow now this is most definitely the real reason. I don't care if it was 10 people at the house shows Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan is what all of wrestling wanted on PPV it would have done WM3 numbers. But the scandal makes so much sense along with Hogan and WWF not putting over the other companies guy at WM sounds very accurate
But WWF was going into a different direction building new stars at that time
Yes. The Steroid Scandal stopped this match from happening. Hogan was on his way out and can't have Hogan win the Title and then retire as Champion. And sorry but No1 wants to see Flair beat Hogan at WM. Just wasn't gonna happen.
Yes a great match oppertunity ruined at least partially by the government sticking its nose where it didn't belong :(
Who’s “no1” ? Speak for yourself.
I’d have loved to watch hogan tap in the figure 4.
ARE U SERIOUS. A LOT HATED HOGAN AND FLAIR FANS. LOT PEOPLE GOT SENSE AND NOT CHER SO CALLED BABY FACES. YOU DAB
I can certainly agree on that as well. Who only but Hogan and Flair.
Enjoyed this thanks
Hogan won the title back in Texas because Sid had been injured. Originally Sid was going to win the belt in Texas and presumably turn heel, go on to WM8 and defend against Hogan. They could have done a similar ending with Sid losing by DQ but keeping the title (since Hogan was taking a break anyway).
Excellent video
I’m a big Flair fan but I didn’t think that his match with Savage was that great, but this video definitely brought some clarity to the situation. It makes way more sense.
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL VIDEO. GOD BLESS!
flair vs macho was a great match!
disagree about the house shows not working. I went to see hogan/flair at a house show in 91, and the crowd was going crazy
I agree. And even if the match would not have been good in house show, i m sure it would have been great in the main event of wm. Both were great entertainers in their prime and just seeing them in the wm ring would have been special and instant classic
Hogan vs Flair was a missed iconic match however the outcome if done clean we all know and would have been Hogan, easily. Also Flair just realistically beating Hulk would have been outrageous at that time.
RIP Roddy