@@starscreamsXe Considering all the internal turmoil at Turner Entertainment, including WCW, it's no wonder why the company folded, sir.😟 The Hulkster wasn't an issue in its demise
I mean I think the speed of some of that turnaround is deceptive, given how many time bombs that had been placed years earlier were going off. Hogan's creative control clause, trying to have both Russo and Bischoff run creative and further confusing the chain of command, the monumental amounts of money they'd been throwing around for like a decade.... And of course, no one in WCW recognizing that Ted was the only reason pro graps was still on the channel and trying to figure out a backup plan. That particular time bomb probably would have made defusing all the other ones irrelevant.
That's what made wrestling so exciting to watch consistently back then. The dynamic of each company changed so often it was like watching multiple promotions every other year. Currently, wrestling is so stagnant, it's not even worth watching anymore. Not long ago, I watched a Raw from 2015, and than a Raw from 2019 immediately after, and it was almost like I was watching back-to-back episodes, minus a few roster changes during that time frame. Even AEW is stagnant, inconsistent, and not even worth tuning in.
Can you imagine the sheer numbers of "Bro's" and "That doesn't work for me brother's" flying around in those wcw offices during a Russo Hogan discussion
Vince: look Hogan bro, you need to take the L to Jarrett bro. It’s going to be ratings bro!! Hulk: well brother, that just doesn’t work for me brother. Vince: but bro.. Hulk: don’t call me bro, it’s brother
I can't believe Hogan didn't want to drop the belt to Sting at Starrcade 1997 because he felt Sting wasn't in wrestling shape. They built that rilvary and storyline up for almost a year. It was beautifully done, only for WCW to take a big fat piss on it. That was the first domino to fall for WCW. Your biggest homegrown talent, biggest draw, and star vs a WWE homegrown talent, big draw and star, at your biggest pay per view, and you end it like that? It has to be up there with the match that never happened between Flair and Hogan at Wrestlemania 1992.
The more I hear of Hogan, the more I realise that he was the one to make professional wrestling explode in the 80s and the one who most likely killed it with his creative control.
@Ross Sutton Why did Hogan refuse to put Bret Hart over when he got to WCW? You keep naming the few times Hogan let someone win, most were not clean wins btw, but for every guy that won there's 20 that Hogan said no to.
@Ross Sutton A wrestler's size doesn't matter. Big guys with more to them than being big are fine but both Hogan and Vince have a problem with thinking size equals talent with a lot of big wrestlers who only have their size going for them like Giant Gonzales, Great Khali, Big Show and the like. Wrestlers charisma, character, storylines, matches and promos are what matter not their size.
Want to be in the room on that conversation. 'Terry please, he is death, you don't come back from that, how would that work realistically?' HH: I think 6 weeks shooting my comatose body in the hospital, where we build me back to the main event, with some voiced vignettes, talking about how I never gave up brother.
In 02 when Hogan's book came out, I saw him at a signing and asked him how he could let Billy Kidman end his WCW career. He looked at Jimmy Hart like he was gonna kill me.
The old guard, Hogan in particular, killed WCW. There was so much young and original talent there that had to take a backseat to the old guys. The old guys left WWF for the WCW money and it turned out to be the best thing for the WWF. They should have took note around 1999
Vince knew how to make stars. Took anyone that was midcard in WCW and built them up to main event and took anyone that was at the top in WCW and practically buried them all. I know there’s exceptions but it’s noticeable enough.
@@Code_Made Hogan Marks like You can understand the Hogan and Eric bischoff were running the show they drove it to the ground what's funny how you Hogan mark can't see that because you are Marks for him really pathetic
@Josh D JJ was always the time that I would switch yo WCW. Then when he went to WCW it was my time to flip to WWE. I was a kid at the time but I just never saw anything in him that hooked me in any way.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 It made sense in that it looked like the NWO pulled one over on everyone taking the strap off Goldberg. Jeff Jarret as world champion wasn't even believable. Sure the Finger Poke of Doom could have been better, but the Russo era sucked ass. He wanted realism and Jerry Springer theatrics and he had zero realism, it was just a circus.
When you watch Malenko, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, etc those guys were all so damn talented in the ring. The cruiserweight's were my favorite thing in WcW I didn't care for the rest..
@@lkcdarzadix6216 divorce laws in this country are truly undefeated. It sucks in my opinion how a man can make millions and lose it just because his woman fell out of love
The weird thing here is, the old guys holding the young ones down angle could have been brilliant. All you’d really need is the old guys to work heel for a bit the young guys to go against them and the crowd reaction to the young guys will eventually decide who gets the win at PPV that way you get a group push. You introduce young guys to main event but only based on their pops, and suddenly there’s no more hogan vs flair 38 or savage vs piper 27. It could be hogan vs Dustin rhoades or Kidman or who ever going big.
And remember to, Brett had a similar clause in his contract not to the extent that Hogan had, but at least Brett knew when to pull the trigger on how to use it and after he found out about what Shawn had said he used it the way he thought best.. Hogan just use his to stay relevant slash on top and capitalized on every dollar he could
@@vern8206 What are you talking about? Bret's use of creative was the exact OPPOSITE of how it should be used. He used it because of a petty, bickering clash of personalities, and NOT because of something good for wrestling or the WWF in general. To be blunt, he abused his creative control to further a personal issue. That was and remains incredibly unprofessional from a wrestler who prided himself as being the most professional in the industry. And I say that as someone who loved both Bret and Shawn as a kid and a teenager.
@@fuzzluvver69 I mean I dont blame him...Micheals was a pilled out, disrespectful, unprofessional prick.... tho Bret should have just stretched him in the ring then quit.
One of Russo's biggest flaws during his WCW time was pushing young talent that wasn't over. Just because they were young doesn't mean they had charisma/the it factor. He should've balanced pushing the proven stars and them equally if anything.
most of the proven stars were stuck in mid-card factions Booker T? Misfits in Action. Rey Mysterio, Billy Kiddmann and Eddie Guerrero? Filthy Animals Chris Benoit? Stuck in the Revolution.
Bischoff said, Hogan had NO creative control. I guess that is like saying Triple H had no creative control in 2003 or Cody Rhodes in AEW today. Better call it "big influence" or "being involved in the writing/booking process".
@@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442 not true . Eric said it a 1000 times in 83weeks that hulk hogan have a creative control .and you say that eric said hogan has No Crearive control !!! Please
Russo and Ferrara were only writing the shows from October 1999 to December 1999, to my knowledge. The whole New Blood vs. Millionaires Club storyline was when Bischoff and Russo were working together on creative.
@Ultra Instinct 94 like Jarrett dude was already old by 95 not to mention he ain't drawn a penny in the business was lucky he ever made it past being enhancement level wrestler
It must have been interesting to hear Russo and Hogan have a conversation with lots of “that doesn’t do it for me brother” and lots of “bro I’ve got this great idea bro”. The man who puts the word “brother” into every sentence and the man who put the word “bro” as every other word in a sentence. It’s something I wish I could have saw or heard as I think it would have been funny to hear them talking
Hulk Hogan's contract, with it's creative control and the stipulations, that basically cemented the Hulkster in the main event picture, was (in my opinion) the constant thorn in the side of WCW, that did arguably more long term damage than anything else. Because creatively, in the main event picture (where it matters the most), WCW was constantly bound to Hogan's good will. And it really showed, right until he packed up and went home. Yes, Russo's booking style of spelling everything out with his 4th wall BS, turning every show into "Big Brother" with wrestlers and overbooking matches and angles really didn't help. But long-term, Hulk's sleeper hold on the main event picture was the slow operating poison, that really did WCW in. Even the NWO really became just a vehicle to give Hogan his will. That is why the stable became so over-bearing. The only thing that changed, was the aesthetic. Hollywood heel instead of vitamines and prayers good guy. But the result (which is what Hogan was all about) remained the same.
@@woobgamer5210 Not really. The general trajectory was already declining around that time. And there was no immediate pushback in that regard, when Hogan left. If anthing, the ratings stabilized for a while around the 2.5-ish mark, with occasional bumps due to some Russo freak match (like the triple cage nonsense).
Sounds like Terry Bollea to me (Hulk Hogan). Everything is about him, the world revolves around him, everything should be about him, and everything HAS to be about him.
@@proofthatyoupeoplearedumb5885 well.. multiple podcasts.. shoot interviews.. live signings for autographs have convinced me he's a pos... even if that doesnt work for you brother
Right, like DX wasn't a blatant rip-off of the nWo. whichever company is doing the best, there's a trend setters. the company not doing so well, they follow.
Absolutely spot on. Every worked shoot in this WCW era was transparent because they took place in this WCW era. From Dustin Runnels's Reign shoot to all of Hogan's & Russo's garbage. With the exception of the WWE & Japanese promotions, anyone that gave this megalomaniac power was doomed to bury themselves.
Him and Nash ran WCW into the ground. Meanwhile stars like Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, etc. had successfully made it in WWE
I always wondered what happened to Hogan in WCW in 2000. Honestly, Bash at the Beach really got him to just say "I'm done and I am tired of World Championship Wrestling!"
Problem was wcw had little to no young stars worthy of being top guys. So why would wrestling leaders for decades bend over guys who hadnt proved anything
@@Insidious_Rage Compare David Flair to anyone else in WCW's Cruiserweight division and tell me with a straight face that David Flair's entire skill set wasn't just being the son of Ric Flair. (Then again, this was the era they gave us world champions in David Arquette and Vince Russo). The poor kid didn't even WANT to be a wrestler.
I will say that while Jarrett lying down in the ring was pre planned by Hogan & Russo, Jarrett didn’t know. This is why Booker T had no idea until the last minute that he was going to have a match that evening & win the belt (Jarrett & Russo interviews confirm this). I also think Russo was genuinely pissed off with Hogan & meant everything he did/said even if it was preplanned.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Steal illegal tho. Like back in the day when many people illegally downloaded music. If you announced that you did it, itd still be a crime even tho everyone did it.
Kidman was a great worker. If you were watching WCW weekly at the time once he'd cleared Raven's flock he was a legit prospect for them going forwards.
Broski only been watching your vids last couple month and honestly what a job you bring all the nostalgia back as well as the best insights. Soooo much tragedy in WWF/WWE day's that watching these vids bring joy and sadness class man ❤️❤️❤️
I love your channel, your videos are so detailed and well researched. You also look at things as they were and give a fair, balanced & neutral viewpoint instead of just saying what everyone else does. I was a huge wcw fan from 1999-2001 so this is entertainment gold for me
Hes got good content AND hes got jokes! Keep it up man you are providing a service. You're basically documenting, without bias, tons of classic stuff i look forward to your videos each time they come out and so does my uncle
As I recall, Jarrett laying down and Hogan's speech to Russo was the work; while Russo's tirade against Hogan was a shoot. Said tirade is the only time I can recall fans cheering Vince Russo (as much as the smarks disliked Russo, they disliked Hogan even more).
I was there at Bash at the beach that nite and I can vouch for the fact that for once, yes, the fans DID cheer Russo when he came out and said what he REALLY thought about Hogan. Like Scott Steiner said, as much as the fans booed Russo by that time they LOATHED Hogan
@Wrestling Bios You outdid yourself on this one great pacing, setting up of the story, and covering of the court case. Not only that but you hold both parties accountable for that dumpster fire they started. Was Russo wrong for cutting that promo that night absolutely. Was Hogan wrong for holding on to a spot that creative clearly did not want him in...absolutely. Both parties were at fault here and you highlighted that. Keep doing what you are doing this is definitely a top 5 video from your library for sure!
I would say Booker T being World Champion, The Insiders 'DDP and Nash', The Natural Born Thrillers being the bulk of the MidCard...and yeah Stiner also being World Champion were the best things about WCW in its final full year. I would have loved to have seen WCW carried on through out all of 2001 as that would have been a full year without Hogan in WCW and it was young talent
It doesn't matter who Hogan fought in his last WCW days. No one can't deny how he had a helping hand in burying the company with his backstage politics and big ego.
I remember watching Nitro and hoping that it would end up being Russo vs Biscoff in a faction vs faction angle. I think that would have been a good idea.
Vince Russo gets allot bash for killing WCW but he really didn't. He tried his hardest to create new stars and give the company a lil edge like he did with WWF but WCW died by the time he came in. He was just trying to put the puzzle back together. I see nothing wrong with Russo's promo. Hulk needed a reality check.
I personally liked Russo & I agree, they needed something new instead of Hogan/Flair for the 100th time. Even Bischoff has said that standards & practices of Turner television ruined WCW
Russo didn’t kill WCW, but he didn’t help it. I agree he tried VERY hard to fix it, but I can’t respect him because if he was smarter, he wouldn’t have came up with goofy names like “Hugh G. Rection” or have matches like a 4 way ladder match with a guest referee. He needed McMahon so badly
I ffo enjoy the Hulk Hogan chapters on this channel. For better or worse, Hulk Hogan has got to be among the top 5 most important people in the history of professional wrestling.
It’s kind of funny how they were trying to recreate Montreal but what they actually ended up replicating was they were in a storyline but they started to take things personal. Although tbf if Hulk had creative control then it’s his right to exercise it, whether you agree with it or not.
The one thing Russo was right about, was that Hogan and his boys were keeping everyone younger and/or smaller than them down. And him ripping bitch Hogan was awesome.
If ever lose my hair, I will never...EEEEEVVVVVERRR go for the hulk hogan look. That party in the back and old man in the front doesn't work for anyone.
What sucked about WCW in 1999-2000 was just how everything broke down and became scattershot and chaotic. And it’s not just Hogan. Look at all the big stars. You can look at their 1996-98 and everyone was healthy and working full time, and you could rattle off their big angles and general trajectory and everyone was pretty consistent with their gimmicks. By 1999 and esp 2000, guys would show up for a few weeks, disappear, show up, disappear. Constant heel and face turns. Turns and alliances that didn’t make sense, etc.
@@pissant959 100% agree. Hogan, Nash, and Hall were the perfect founding members. I don't know if it would have worked without any of them. He was perfect as the head of the group. I remember where I was when he turned heel and I couldn't believe what I was seeing lol Awesome moment.
I really liked the new stars they were trying to push. Straight out of the WCW Power Plant there came a crop of guys that were being groomed to be the future. The Natural Born Thrillers were the most exciting thing happening in WCW near its end. If WCW had been sold to anyone other than McMahon and rebooted there's no doubt in my mind that within that stable there were guys that would have emerged as the next wrestlers to carry the company. Unfortunately the company was sold to McMahon and he promptly went on to bungle the invasion storyline and to bury anyone associated with WCW.
@@AxeCrazyAutobotthat was all on Vince. No way in hell was Vince going to allow the WCW guys to look good against his talent. Look what happened to Sting at Wrestlemania 31
Nah, it was a real shitshow, man. Other than that sexy fox, Major Gunns, ripping off her shirt and pointing her rocket launchers in some wrestler's face, it wasn't worth viewing
Hogan has mentioned guys “going into business for themselves” yet no one has gone more into business for himself than Hogan does. He is one of the individuals who helped destroy wrestling and turn it into the trash that it is today.
"That doesn't work for me brother" The most powerful finisher of all time .
Finished a whole company lol
@@starscreamsXe Considering all the internal turmoil at Turner Entertainment, including WCW, it's no wonder why the company folded, sir.😟 The Hulkster wasn't an issue in its demise
@@starscreamsXe But, I certainly do laugh at the joke😁
This comment made me die in laughter thank you sir
When i go to my job, sometimes i say that to people. They dont know where i got it from 🔥🔥
its amazing how fast things changed from 1996 to 2000, only 4 years but looks decades a part
I mean I think the speed of some of that turnaround is deceptive, given how many time bombs that had been placed years earlier were going off. Hogan's creative control clause, trying to have both Russo and Bischoff run creative and further confusing the chain of command, the monumental amounts of money they'd been throwing around for like a decade....
And of course, no one in WCW recognizing that Ted was the only reason pro graps was still on the channel and trying to figure out a backup plan. That particular time bomb probably would have made defusing all the other ones irrelevant.
Look at wcw in 3 year increments from 1992 to 2001
It could be 4 very different companies
That's what made wrestling so exciting to watch consistently back then. The dynamic of each company changed so often it was like watching multiple promotions every other year. Currently, wrestling is so stagnant, it's not even worth watching anymore. Not long ago, I watched a Raw from 2015, and than a Raw from 2019 immediately after, and it was almost like I was watching back-to-back episodes, minus a few roster changes during that time frame. Even AEW is stagnant, inconsistent, and not even worth tuning in.
@@thegoldenfool nah you’re being a hater just like last tear wrestling was all over the place.
What's you gonna do when my Creative Clause runs wild on you!
.......brother.😂 lol
@@michaelvaughn8864: L.O.L... 🤣
@@NobleKorhedron Hahaha😂😂
Lol brother!!!!!
Lol
Can you imagine the sheer numbers of "Bro's" and "That doesn't work for me brother's" flying around in those wcw offices during a Russo Hogan discussion
Flying around so much they started calling each other "BroBrother" without noticing.
I was thinking something along those lines. "Bro" vs "Brother."
makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it 🤢
Vince: look Hogan bro, you need to take the L to Jarrett bro. It’s going to be ratings bro!!
Hulk: well brother, that just doesn’t work for me brother.
Vince: but bro..
Hulk: don’t call me bro, it’s brother
“That doesn’t work for me, bro.”
“Alright bro. Bro, what would work for you, brother?”
I can't believe Hogan didn't want to drop the belt to Sting at Starrcade 1997 because he felt Sting wasn't in wrestling shape. They built that rilvary and storyline up for almost a year. It was beautifully done, only for WCW to take a big fat piss on it. That was the first domino to fall for WCW. Your biggest homegrown talent, biggest draw, and star vs a WWE homegrown talent, big draw and star, at your biggest pay per view, and you end it like that? It has to be up there with the match that never happened between Flair and Hogan at Wrestlemania 1992.
@Bryan Mack you are confusing companies
@Bryan Mack bruh what are you talking about 😂😂
@Bryan Mack wrong show
@Bryan Mack you high
Sting was high
The more I hear of Hogan, the more I realise that he was the one to make professional wrestling explode in the 80s and the one who most likely killed it with his creative control.
@Ross Sutton HH is that you? Hogan ran WCW into the ground.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 hahahahahaha
@Ross Sutton shut your mouth brother.
@Ross Sutton
Why did Hogan refuse to put Bret Hart over when he got to WCW? You keep naming the few times Hogan let someone win, most were not clean wins btw, but for every guy that won there's 20 that Hogan said no to.
@Ross Sutton A wrestler's size doesn't matter. Big guys with more to them than being big are fine but both Hogan and Vince have a problem with thinking size equals talent with a lot of big wrestlers who only have their size going for them like Giant Gonzales, Great Khali, Big Show and the like. Wrestlers charisma, character, storylines, matches and promos are what matter not their size.
Grim reaper appears and says, “It is time.”
“That doesn’t work for me, brother.”
Want to be in the room on that conversation.
'Terry please, he is death, you don't come back from that, how would that work realistically?'
HH: I think 6 weeks shooting my comatose body in the hospital, where we build me back to the main event, with some voiced vignettes, talking about how I never gave up brother.
@@R.R.R.465 🤣🤣🤣
@@R.R.R.465 that's made my day... brutha
Hogan beat the grim reaper himself in 91..
we all know Grim Reapers losing that match
“Hogan u gotta change up your act....”
“Ok BROTHER!! I’ll wear something black”
EVERY TIME 🤣
Lmfaooo!
Right 😉😉😉
In 02 when Hogan's book came out, I saw him at a signing and asked him how he could let Billy Kidman end his WCW career. He looked at Jimmy Hart like he was gonna kill me.
Lmfaoooo
I bet. lol
That’s not gonna work for me brother!!!
That’s not gonna work for me brother!!!
Hogan:But the new blood ain't ready to lead this company
Disco inferno:Do I look like a joke to you?
Everyone:YES.
The old guard, Hogan in particular, killed WCW. There was so much young and original talent there that had to take a backseat to the old guys. The old guys left WWF for the WCW money and it turned out to be the best thing for the WWF. They should have took note around 1999
Killed the wcw, that's funny.
Vince knew how to make stars. Took anyone that was midcard in WCW and built them up to main event and took anyone that was at the top in WCW and practically buried them all. I know there’s exceptions but it’s noticeable enough.
@@Code_Made Hogan Marks like You can understand the Hogan and Eric bischoff were running the show they drove it to the ground what's funny how you Hogan mark can't see that because you are Marks for him really pathetic
U mean Kavin Nash right ? He wrote everything.
The young/new wcw talent sucked. One of the reasons WcW tanked
Hogan: Fingerpoke of Doom
Hogan after Jarrett lays down: Surprised Pikachu face
He’s trash tra-trash-trash-trash-tra-trash
The Finger poke of doom made more sense. Russo sucks ass at trying to do story lines. Jeff Jarret couldn't draw flies much less a crowd.
@@genocidereaper1 It made no sense, why would Nash give up a World Title? At least Jeff had the reason of Hogan's creative control.
@Josh D JJ was always the time that I would switch yo WCW. Then when he went to WCW it was my time to flip to WWE. I was a kid at the time but I just never saw anything in him that hooked me in any way.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 It made sense in that it looked like the NWO pulled one over on everyone taking the strap off Goldberg. Jeff Jarret as world champion wasn't even believable. Sure the Finger Poke of Doom could have been better, but the Russo era sucked ass. He wanted realism and Jerry Springer theatrics and he had zero realism, it was just a circus.
Me: I can't remember why we stopped watching WCW towards the end.
*Watches video*
Also me: Oh yeah, this. All of this.
@Retired Ancient You've got more stamina than me, then!
I couldnt remember why either.... I guess NWO fatigued and interest just ran out
@@harbour08 I mean, I remember things got terrible, but THAT terrible?!
@@PlatinumRoseLady i dont remember either. It just vanished
When Booker T came to WWE talking about 5 time champion, I was like "when?"
Exactly
"Hulk Hogan can have his spot...his BALD spot..." - Scott Steiner
When Steiner say that’s awesome promo
Scott Steiner has a 33 1/3 % chance of cutting absolutely savage promos. phat asses!
@@mrblonde609 I've always found him very entertaining, he's so unpredictable lol.
@Karson Franklin Yeah he said it in a promo, a classic.
@@TheAutistWhisperer Scott Steiner knew how to piss people off the height of his WCW heel run was awesome
They all literally worked themselves into a shoot, brother!
That was my favorite part of this video....it's totally believable
At survivor series 97 they shot themselves into a work
When you watch Malenko, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, etc those guys were all so damn talented in the ring. The cruiserweight's were my favorite thing in WcW I didn't care for the rest..
@@packpock4369 stop it. WCW was great top to bottom
It's wild how in the end Hogan basically worked himself but still made a ton of money in the process.
yet lost 70% of it in divorce
@@lkcdarzadix6216 divorce laws in this country are truly undefeated. It sucks in my opinion how a man can make millions and lose it just because his woman fell out of love
@@jeffshirey8768 problem is most women wont sign them
@@Dud512 I would put the over under at 0% that hogan was faithful in his marriage
@@jeffshirey8768 Prenups are becoming increasingly worthless.
Hogan hitting up wrestling bios:
“that’s not going to work for me brother”
@@sagnikmustafi2374 Russo admitted hogan didn't now about that shoot promo.
Booker T: Hulk Hogan, we’re coming for you ni**a!!
Hogan: That’s not gonna work for me brother.
The weird thing here is, the old guys holding the young ones down angle could have been brilliant. All you’d really need is the old guys to work heel for a bit the young guys to go against them and the crowd reaction to the young guys will eventually decide who gets the win at PPV that way you get a group push. You introduce young guys to main event but only based on their pops, and suddenly there’s no more hogan vs flair 38 or savage vs piper 27. It could be hogan vs Dustin rhoades or Kidman or who ever going big.
This
And ppl call Bret a baby for how he dealt with the screw job. At least Bret didn’t sue anyone, he just Ko’d Vince and left.
And remember to, Brett had a similar clause in his contract not to the extent that Hogan had, but at least Brett knew when to pull the trigger on how to use it and after he found out about what Shawn had said he used it the way he thought best.. Hogan just use his to stay relevant slash on top and capitalized on every dollar he could
@@vern8206 What are you talking about? Bret's use of creative was the exact OPPOSITE of how it should be used. He used it because of a petty, bickering clash of personalities, and NOT because of something good for wrestling or the WWF in general. To be blunt, he abused his creative control to further a personal issue. That was and remains incredibly unprofessional from a wrestler who prided himself as being the most professional in the industry. And I say that as someone who loved both Bret and Shawn as a kid and a teenager.
@@fuzzluvver69 I mean I dont blame him...Micheals was a pilled out, disrespectful, unprofessional prick.... tho Bret should have just stretched him in the ring then quit.
@@fuzzluvver69 is it unprofessional to use creative control against the most unprofessional guy in the locker room?
@@broncobalboa yes it is
One of Russo's biggest flaws during his WCW time was pushing young talent that wasn't over. Just because they were young doesn't mean they had charisma/the it factor. He should've balanced pushing the proven stars and them equally if anything.
No the biggest flaw was Hogan being a pos with a ego the size of the United States
most of the proven stars were stuck in mid-card factions
Booker T? Misfits in Action.
Rey Mysterio, Billy Kiddmann and Eddie Guerrero? Filthy Animals
Chris Benoit? Stuck in the Revolution.
Bischoff said, Hogan had NO creative control. I guess that is like saying Triple H had no creative control in 2003 or Cody Rhodes in AEW today. Better call it "big influence" or "being involved in the writing/booking process".
Bishoff never said that dont lie
@@Aizenborgman He said it on the podcast with that Conrad guy. ("83 weeks" or what it is called)
@@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442 not true . Eric said it a 1000 times in 83weeks that hulk hogan have a creative control .and you say that eric said hogan has No Crearive control !!! Please
@Alex Kanyima go ask goldberg vampiro and kidman ^^
@@Aizenborgman I remember him saying "Hogan had not more creative control than others. He just had ideas and so on and so on .... "
Imagine being a judge, and then you get this case.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine if the judge was a mark 🤣
Hogan’s attorney was Dan Fielding, and the judge was Harry T. Stone
Id love to have seen Judge Joe Brown or Judge Judy to get this case
I’d make hogan come in to the court with his real American theme playing if I were the judge.
Russo and Ferrara were only writing the shows from October 1999 to December 1999, to my knowledge. The whole New Blood vs. Millionaires Club storyline was when Bischoff and Russo were working together on creative.
The Best thing Vince Russo ever did in WCW, was calling Hogan out like that. I loved it.
& getting the title on Booker T
And then it all came crashing down.. good idea in hindsight lol
@Ultra Instinct 94 like Jarrett dude was already old by 95 not to mention he ain't drawn a penny in the business was lucky he ever made it past being enhancement level wrestler
i TOTALLY agree with you.
It must have been interesting to hear Russo and Hogan have a conversation with lots of “that doesn’t do it for me brother” and lots of “bro I’ve got this great idea bro”. The man who puts the word “brother” into every sentence and the man who put the word “bro” as every other word in a sentence. It’s something I wish I could have saw or heard as I think it would have been funny to hear them talking
“And he isn’t even using his creative control clause to make me do it”
That was great! Love the content. Keep it up!
same here. that made me laugh hard
Hulk Hogan's contract, with it's creative control and the stipulations, that basically cemented the Hulkster in the main event picture, was (in my opinion) the constant thorn in the side of WCW, that did arguably more long term damage than anything else. Because creatively, in the main event picture (where it matters the most), WCW was constantly bound to Hogan's good will. And it really showed, right until he packed up and went home.
Yes, Russo's booking style of spelling everything out with his 4th wall BS, turning every show into "Big Brother" with wrestlers and overbooking matches and angles really didn't help. But long-term, Hulk's sleeper hold on the main event picture was the slow operating poison, that really did WCW in.
Even the NWO really became just a vehicle to give Hogan his will. That is why the stable became so over-bearing. The only thing that changed, was the aesthetic. Hollywood heel instead of vitamines and prayers good guy. But the result (which is what Hogan was all about) remained the same.
the wild part is
after Hulk left
so did a lot of WCW's remaining watchers
@@woobgamer5210 Not really. The general trajectory was already declining around that time. And there was no immediate pushback in that regard, when Hogan left. If anthing, the ratings stabilized for a while around the 2.5-ish mark, with occasional bumps due to some Russo freak match (like the triple cage nonsense).
Sounds like Terry Bollea to me (Hulk Hogan). Everything is about him, the world revolves around him, everything should be about him, and everything HAS to be about him.
''Too much Hulk Hogan lately and need to cut back a bit..''
Doesn't work for me brother lol
@@proofthatyoupeoplearedumb5885 well.. multiple podcasts.. shoot interviews.. live signings for autographs have convinced me he's a pos... even if that doesnt work for you brother
WCW where copying WWF so much at this point I'm surprised Hogan wasn't repackaged as The Gamesmaster Double H
Could you imagine Hulk Hogan dressed like and dancing like Grand Master Sexay? Lmfao 🤣
@@chozahfearless7524 He meant HHH not Grandmaster
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Right, like DX wasn't a blatant rip-off of the nWo.
whichever company is doing the best, there's a trend setters. the company not doing so well, they follow.
@@C-Lyfe85 and the nWo was a rip off of a japanese angle that Bischoff saw, so whats your point?
To see WCW at this point was heartbreaking!
Absolutely spot on. Every worked shoot in this WCW era was transparent because they took place in this WCW era. From Dustin Runnels's Reign shoot to all of Hogan's & Russo's garbage. With the exception of the WWE & Japanese promotions, anyone that gave this megalomaniac power was doomed to bury themselves.
Him and Nash ran WCW into the ground. Meanwhile stars like Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, etc. had successfully made it in WWE
big show was big star before wwe
@@HhhHhhh-nu4lm for all about... 1 year before he became just another NWO member.
We have to wait a few weeks for another Hulk Hogan video? That doesn't work for me, brother.
I always wondered what happened to Hogan in WCW in 2000. Honestly, Bash at the Beach really got him to just say "I'm done and I am tired of World Championship Wrestling!"
I was just about to head to work you evil bastard. I gotta wait about 10 hours before I can watch this :'c
Truly a Roddy Piper heel move there.
Watch it in the shitter at work that's what I do
@@jeffreyjuliano9743 your that fuckin guy lol
@@jeffreyjuliano9743 where do you work???
@@rhanon5305 city job
"...young stars of WCW," he says as he shows a picture of David Flair.
... who is younger than his Dad.
@@WrestlingBios omg. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Goldnfoxx You're not very bright.
Problem was wcw had little to no young stars worthy of being top guys. So why would wrestling leaders for decades bend over guys who hadnt proved anything
@@Insidious_Rage Compare David Flair to anyone else in WCW's Cruiserweight division and tell me with a straight face that David Flair's entire skill set wasn't just being the son of Ric Flair. (Then again, this was the era they gave us world champions in David Arquette and Vince Russo). The poor kid didn't even WANT to be a wrestler.
Hogan needed that wcw money so he could give it to Linda, brother
Hogan worked Linda. He sold assets to Bischoff and bought them back for cheap after the divorce was settled.
I will say that while Jarrett lying down in the ring was pre planned by Hogan & Russo, Jarrett didn’t know. This is why Booker T had no idea until the last minute that he was going to have a match that evening & win the belt (Jarrett & Russo interviews confirm this).
I also think Russo was genuinely pissed off with Hogan & meant everything he did/said even if it was preplanned.
I can't believe this was 20 years ago 👀
Believe it.
Sad but WCW in 2000 is better than Raw & SD is now
@@HabsMike25 no it wasn't lmao
@@VintageWrestlingFan It definitely was more memorable.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 that's true
"Well I'll expose your politicing and creative control clause"
"....that's not going to work for me brother"
Which was illegal smh... Disclosing someones contract..
@@ChristopherJames1993
Steal illegal tho. Like back in the day when many people illegally downloaded music. If you announced that you did it, itd still be a crime even tho everyone did it.
The last years of WCW was crazy
"Hulk Hogan!, I'm winning that belt, Ninja!!!" - Booker T
Ninja please.
Pro: Billy Kidman wants to be noticed, calls out the biggest name in wrestling.
Con: Is Billy Kidman.
But that means more Torrie Wilson tho.
Kidman doesn't make sense in that feud... with Dallas though... that I would have liked to have seen
Kidman was a great worker. If you were watching WCW weekly at the time once he'd cleared Raven's flock he was a legit prospect for them going forwards.
Broski only been watching your vids last couple month and honestly what a job you bring all the nostalgia back as well as the best insights. Soooo much tragedy in WWF/WWE day's that watching these vids bring joy and sadness class man ❤️❤️❤️
Just wanted to say Thank you for making several videos each week for us, You are a legend :D
I love your channel, your videos are so detailed and well researched. You also look at things as they were and give a fair, balanced & neutral viewpoint instead of just saying what everyone else does.
I was a huge wcw fan from 1999-2001 so this is entertainment gold for me
High School: the Pay Per View.
I don’t know why, but one of my ideas for a TV show is a pro wrestling high school, and I know not a great idea.
Steiner was so reckless on the mike lmao what a goat 🐐
I imagine he had a big smile on while reading those court documents
Hes got good content AND hes got jokes!
Keep it up man you are providing a service.
You're basically documenting, without bias, tons of classic stuff
i look forward to your videos each time they come out and so does my uncle
I used to watch WCW in it's final days (2000 -2001), had no idea what was going on but it was entertaining.
Hulk Hogan was a beast at negotiating... He knew his worth...
Your right . Even hbk in 2005 couldn't get hus way.
And for the one we've all been waiting for!! What an exceptional series man!
As I recall, Jarrett laying down and Hogan's speech to Russo was the work; while Russo's tirade against Hogan was a shoot.
Said tirade is the only time I can recall fans cheering Vince Russo (as much as the smarks disliked Russo, they disliked Hogan even more).
I was there at Bash at the beach that nite and I can vouch for the fact that for once, yes, the fans DID cheer Russo when he came out and said what he REALLY thought about Hogan. Like Scott Steiner said, as much as the fans booed Russo by that time they LOATHED Hogan
I need a Billy Kidman, Filthy Animals and Raven's Flock video!
That doesn't work for me brother!
@@marcjohnson643 Gotta put myself over
BROTHER
filthy animals was a dope faction especially seeing rey as a heel lol
@Wrestling Bios You outdid yourself on this one great pacing, setting up of the story, and covering of the court case. Not only that but you hold both parties accountable for that dumpster fire they started. Was Russo wrong for cutting that promo that night absolutely. Was Hogan wrong for holding on to a spot that creative clearly did not want him in...absolutely. Both parties were at fault here and you highlighted that. Keep doing what you are doing this is definitely a top 5 video from your library for sure!
This is by far the greatest wrestling show on TH-cam
No No No... It's not a strap match. It's a YAPAPIE STRAP MATCH.
NUMBAH OONE
Strappage number two!
YAPPAPI INDIAN STRAP MATCH!!!
RAW PINK MEAT
Im'ma turn myself from Hulk Hogan to Hollywood Hogan real quick
Great job doing these. It brings back memories.
Box of Rogaine: **exists**
Hulk Hogan: 'That doesn't work for me, brother!!"
You do AMAZING docs/entertainment mate. Thank you 💕
The only thing right about WCW’s last year was finally making Scott Steiner the champ
Are you serious??? Scott Steiner never was champion material.... ever!
@@charliebowen5071 go back and watch his run. He was the only good thing about the last few months
I would say Booker T being World Champion, The Insiders 'DDP and Nash', The Natural Born Thrillers being the bulk of the MidCard...and yeah Stiner also being World Champion were the best things about WCW in its final full year. I would have loved to have seen WCW carried on through out all of 2001 as that would have been a full year without Hogan in WCW and it was young talent
@@canUsaythis yeah. Their storylines by the end were starting to progress a lot better now that politics weren’t running the show.
And booker t
That doesn’t work for me brotherrrrr
It doesn't matter who Hogan fought in his last WCW days. No one can't deny how he had a helping hand in burying the company with his backstage politics and big ego.
yeah then 10 years later he did the same to TNA
@@jctwitedragon like tna was doning a 3.5 ratings be4 hogan came in 😂 please hogan didnt kill a thing . The fact is TNA sucks like it or not ^^
Sorry but your wrong ^^ WCW killed WCW from day one in 1988 it was going down be4 hogan came in ^^ so dont lie ^^
@@RedFox0909 WCW was already dead after Jericho appeared for the WWF
I'm not even a big Hogan fan but, this is one of the best videos I have seen of yours. Good job!
I remember watching Nitro and hoping that it would end up being Russo vs Biscoff in a faction vs faction angle. I think that would have been a good idea.
Nwo vs new blood 😂
"That doesn't work for me, Brother...."
5:15 Kimberly Page 😍
Sunday just became Funday, always a treat to see a new video from you brother!
Another great video keep'em coming man and I loved that ending "hogan's not even using his creative control clause to me do it" lol 😆
best wrestling channel ever keep putting out the content please thanks
Vince Russo gets allot bash for killing WCW but he really didn't. He tried his hardest to create new stars and give the company a lil edge like he did with WWF but WCW died by the time he came in. He was just trying to put the puzzle back together. I see nothing wrong with Russo's promo. Hulk needed a reality check.
Agreed!! Everything he said needed to be said!!! Hogan should've never been given that creative control clause, to begin with.
I personally liked Russo & I agree, they needed something new instead of Hogan/Flair for the 100th time. Even Bischoff has said that standards & practices of Turner television ruined WCW
Russo didn’t kill WCW, but he didn’t help it. I agree he tried VERY hard to fix it, but I can’t respect him because if he was smarter, he wouldn’t have came up with goofy names like “Hugh G. Rection” or have matches like a 4 way ladder match with a guest referee. He needed McMahon so badly
He was pushing Jeff Jarrett as a main eventer. Enough said.
@@raulramirez9657 Jeff Jarrett pushed himself as a main eventer in his own company.
I ffo enjoy the Hulk Hogan chapters on this channel. For better or worse, Hulk Hogan has got to be among the top 5 most important people in the history of professional wrestling.
"He isnt even using his creative control to make me do it"... Or maybe he IS?
Haha
I just discovered this channel. I'm loving these retro vids, funny, nostalgic and informative.
It’s kind of funny how they were trying to recreate Montreal but what they actually ended up replicating was they were in a storyline but they started to take things personal.
Although tbf if Hulk had creative control then it’s his right to exercise it, whether you agree with it or not.
This video was WAY more entertaining than what actually happened unfortunately lol
The one thing Russo was right about, was that Hogan and his boys were keeping everyone younger and/or smaller than them down.
And him ripping bitch Hogan was awesome.
If ever lose my hair, I will never...EEEEEVVVVVERRR go for the hulk hogan look. That party in the back and old man in the front doesn't work for anyone.
It works for me, brother.
Love your work brother!!
What sucked about WCW in 1999-2000 was just how everything broke down and became scattershot and chaotic. And it’s not just Hogan. Look at all the big stars. You can look at their 1996-98 and everyone was healthy and working full time, and you could rattle off their big angles and general trajectory and everyone was pretty consistent with their gimmicks.
By 1999 and esp 2000, guys would show up for a few weeks, disappear, show up, disappear. Constant heel and face turns. Turns and alliances that didn’t make sense, etc.
Hogan wanted nothing to do with NWO2000.
I mean, give him credit, Hogan wasn't just completely blind to beating a dead horse.
Still. It's just not nWo without him. That's one reason it didn't last.
@@pissant959 100% agree. Hogan, Nash, and Hall were the perfect founding members. I don't know if it would have worked without any of them. He was perfect as the head of the group. I remember where I was when he turned heel and I couldn't believe what I was seeing lol Awesome moment.
@@pissant959 of coarse. Hogan was the face of the Nwo along with hall and Nash.
Next video: Hulk Hogan as Mr. America in WWE.
That comment at the end. So many Hulk Hogan videos and he isn't even using creative control to make me do it. 🤣
This channel is great. Keep it up bro.
Why is it when Hogan deals with a Vince its always a disaster
He made millions working with Vince
Can’t wait for your next video!
I really liked the new stars they were trying to push. Straight out of the WCW Power Plant there came a crop of guys that were being groomed to be the future. The Natural Born Thrillers were the most exciting thing happening in WCW near its end. If WCW had been sold to anyone other than McMahon and rebooted there's no doubt in my mind that within that stable there were guys that would have emerged as the next wrestlers to carry the company. Unfortunately the company was sold to McMahon and he promptly went on to bungle the invasion storyline and to bury anyone associated with WCW.
Invasion sucking wasn't Vince's fault. All the top WCW guys waited out their contracts because hey free money.
@@AxeCrazyAutobotthat was all on Vince. No way in hell was Vince going to allow the WCW guys to look good against his talent. Look what happened to Sting at Wrestlemania 31
It's a shame the damage was already done by the time they started to infuse fresh talent including some whippersnapper called AJ Styles.
except Chris Jericho
he WON in the end.
Thank you brother!
Damn I love these videos. Thank you for taking the time to do it. It's really appreciated
Well done work on this series!
Been looking forward to this! Can’t wait to watch!
Hulk Hogan is why I'm here.
Man...WCW's final years was a dumpster-fire.
Hi beautiful
You say it.
Nah, it was a real shitshow, man. Other than that sexy fox, Major Gunns, ripping off her shirt and pointing her rocket launchers in some wrestler's face, it wasn't worth viewing
Hi beautiful
@@MohamedAli-xu3uw simp
Nice touch with the He's not using his creative control to make me do it,at the end.😂😂
Watching theae vids makes me realize how difficult it is working with Hogan.
He looks like Roger from American Dad with that headband
😂😂😂💯💯💯 all facts
Hogan has mentioned guys “going into business for themselves” yet no one has gone more into business for himself than Hogan does. He is one of the individuals who helped destroy wrestling and turn it into the trash that it is today.
Absolutely love the channel! Keep it up and thank you for your hard work.