If INTPs are so smart, why do they suck at school?
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- I answer the Quora question:
1. School is designed for three MBTI types: ISFJ ISTJ ESFJ (maybe ESTJ)
2. INTPs mature late- Developmental appropriateness of surroundings- Clueless parents/teachers/mentors
3. INTPs have a long-term time preference
4. INTPs are independent-minded
INTPs suck at school because by nature, they like to learn on their own terms.
Saved you 17 minutes.
So TRUEEEEE!!!
I'm an INTP and my mom hates me because of studying philosophy and politics on my own instead of my course material.
True 😌
VERY! When research got introduced at Grade 8 I abosultely detest it! And this year just made my tolerance to going to school break now I want to quit :l
Being forced to learn at the school's pace makes me frustrated since I want my space and comfort to do what I want 😐😐•••
This
Like, I love reading random wikipedia articles when I'm bored of everything else I love to do, but when that gets shoved down my throat, I get an abridged version of the content and I have to pass a needless test for it, it just ain't worth it no more
i'd rather have one topic for 5 days than 5 topics in one day
Same. I went to a college that teaches one class a day for 3 weeks at a time over the 15 week semester and I did great.
That sounds amazing. Where did you go?
currently taking 8 classes because of a new school system. This is awful. I’m drowning
@@savannah1587
I second this question!
If the topic is boring I don't, though.
For me, Its always the phrase “What’s the point?” That comes to my head when I’m at school.
... the answer to which is, "It sure as hell ain't learnin', so it must be to get the diploma." It's likely that there isn't a thing taught in schools that you can't learn better yourself, but as long as you're stuck with compulsory school attendance, you might as well set yourself up the best you can to have a good future.
Of course, this is predicated upon the idea that a certificate/diploma indicates actual competency when, with grade inflation, any industrious doofus can get a 4.0. But people still think that a diploma means something. A few diplomas still do, but most, aside from those awarded by STEM courses of study that haven't watered down their material with stupid curves, don't.
As long as people believe diplomas mean something, it behooves you to get one as a sort of Shibboleth to get you places in life.
I had to reread it multiple times my brain was elsewhere...
@@MattLaine I totally agree.
(I had to delete my previous comment because I replied without completely understanding... I was spacing out and thinking about the real meaning of the song that I was listening to.... lmao)
@@MattLaine thank you so much. I beat myself up for not getting perfect grades, thinking I am just stupid, but in reality, industriousness is one of the most important variable for success in education in school and university.
@@MattLaine "It sure as hell ain't learnin', so it must be to get the diploma." Even me in college now is the mindset I need to constantly have not to drop it, while jobs require them I will be struggling. And I'm 30, a SysAdmin with no degree, which is rare, but if I want better opportunities I need that freaking diploma.
INTP’s were gifted kids in elementary school, getting through material easy and feeling like the smartest kids around.
Then once they get to middle/high school they have no work ethic and procrastinate because once they actually do high level work, though they can understand the concepts, the work is difficult.
Or at least in my case.
That hit home
-INTP
This is exactly what happened to me. In high school I was still procrastinating and getting good grades. University is what's currently killing me.
I didn't really find it so difficult as much as tedious, unnecessary.
I aced all my tests. I viewed homework as an attempt at another form of control over me.
@@patbluetree4636 same
It happened to me like I was a stellar student back in elementary and when I started going in High School despite I graduated with Honors, I feel not enough and while currently in college this is the moment that I felt dumb and unintelligent and even experienced procrastination and laziness.
I am an INTP and I had to rewatch the whole video because my mind wondered off while watching it for the first time.
I feel that lol
🤣 another normality of intp
just as i restarted it i stumbled upon this comment smh
same
im back and doing the same thing i swear i never finish this
Had a teacher say “ you’re smart, why are you not turning in homework?” I said “I guess I’m not smart enough to get it done”
I answerd with: "I can't be bothered to. There's no point. It's half a point, one point, maybe, per asignment. You see me nail everything else -- all the tests, quizzes, projects, attendance, participation, and classwork. And I do all the extra credits and get the bonus points. I literally don't need to do the homework and it's clear to both of us I get the material more than well enough."
People who score 90s questioned me as to why I would only get like 75-85%, saying that they believed I was smarter than them. I proceeded to say "Well, obviously I am not smart enough to make time for studying".
Not that I was busy.
My answer was "I did it in my mind"
My answer was always something along the lines of 'I sleep through your class, and ace every test you give even when you include trick questions for kids who aren't paying attention. I feel no need to prove myself to you, or anyone else. If you have something to teach me, I'm all ears, but I read the entire book the day it was issued to me, and I have a near photographic memory. Feel free to wake me up when you have a test, I enjoy doing those. You can do the homework yourself, I have better uses for my thought processor.' or if I wasn't feeling generous: 'Why?'
They didn't even bother asking me, they knew there was no reason. I wen t to school because I had to. Only course worth the time was History and civics and the like. Biology, math, the like, meh. I honestly helped people understand the course material but never did the work myself. This is so hard, no it ain't here let me show you. That was easy, teacher jsut doesn't understand how to explain it so You understand.
INTPs with a rough childhood mature earlier - INTPs are built for adversity.
"Built for," indeed. Without it atrophy and apathy are likely to occur.
@@MattLaine can you explain why without adversity atrophy and apathy are likely to occur?
As an INTP i can approve that i it is true cuz i had a bit rough childhood and i always had mature mindset but i was at top of my class grades at school.
@@g.m4410 same here
Very true.
Intps question everything. People get offended that we question everything.
The world is designed to obey the rules and dont question what is already established. We are perceived as over thinkers but I prefer the world over analyzer. Overthinkers have low confidence and overthink the things that scare then. While overanalyzers are constantly generating potential solutions for the things that they dont know or scares them.
😂 yuh i agreeee
My phones battery died today and the electricity (charger ) brought it back to life . Lmao now I'm over-analyzing the whole thing .
How
Why
What if
Ok
But what if
How does it work
Hmmm
And the list goes on
Until I'm bored and something eles catches my attention
being a high scholar INTP suck more , because when the teacher ask if we have any question.. and when I was trying to ask something.. the teacher is already showing signs of ignorance
Overanalyzing can lead to overthinking and paranoia, if mixed with emotions and not restrained.
@@nova_steric1749 yep it can
i'm intp , i hate school's cus i felt like in jail when i'm at school . but i love competition . but i hate lose
I am exactly the same!
So true, I’m the same
We're lone wolves, do everything you can do get somewhat disciplined and learn by yourself with online courses.
Relate as fuck
@@jellyfishi_ I love losing if it is clear as to how I lost, it means I can spend days finding a way to improve. Every opportunity to learn should be appreciated.
I'm an INTP who breezed through elementary school without trying, and as such never developed a proper work ethic. I am now in a highly selective high school and about to fail chemistry. My parents already took my video games until my grades improve, and it's torturing me, but my laziness and apathy keep me from taking real initiative to fix my grade. I genuinely want to try harder, but at the same time I'm put off by any large amount of work in something I don't find interesting. Any tips?
Update: I did in fact pass chem, thanks for all the replies.
I was in a pretty similar situation not too many years ago. The highschool was super competitive and I just developed so much apathy for the whole thing. It turned out okay because I did have other subjects at school I found interesting and could develop skills for (like programming). But you need to at least get a passing grade in the other subjects to graduate. It's going to be tough.
Only advice I can give is to try and find ways to motivate yourself using some kind of reward. For example, a piece of chocolate for every 30 min of chemistry studying you put in. Or something similar. Doesn't need to be food.
I know it feels like it will be this way forever but remember that your situation is temporary. If you can just keep up enough momentum to pass the classes you'll reach a point in time where it's behind you. That point will only get closer. Remember that.
Oh and yes I'm INTP too
Hello, I am a 24 y.o. student of biotechnology and want to switch to molecular biology. My elementary school was quite same, I didn´t even try and my grades were average. You already see you are going to pay for this in your life and are going to regret it. But do not worry because you do not miss the knowledge, you only miss the discipline. My parents were also too soft on me so I am still quite irresponsible now. What has helped me was listening to Jordan Peterson, it is long hours of listening, but basically he says that if you do not start working on yourself, you are going to get punished and metaphorically end up in hell, you are going to stay at your parents house being told what to do and you are going to feel like a piece of shit. And on top of that your time is worth around 50$/h if you get well educated, so do not waste it on having fun that does not bring you towards your goal or vision, do not practice what you do not want to become. It is a very deductionist approach to life because using this mindset you are eliminating all the necessary stuff that do not improve you and you are only left with the shit that keeps you going upwards, so that is good. So you are predestined to live an ascetic life as an INTP, do not play video games, do not smoke, do not browse web for endless hours, only do the stuff that is useful or just sit on your fucking bed and do nothing. It is only about being more like a soldier, a hero.
If you have a large amount of work, do the 15 minutes rule, this tells you to start something for 15 minutes and purely focus on that, I use app called Engross for android, I also paid for it so I can track and see how much time I invested in various tasks, it brings me satisfaction, and I always work longer than 15 mins at a time. If you do not know how to study, it is kind of tricky, because high school chemistry did not make any sense to me, because everything was too shallow. Once, I had to memorize a ton of shit for an exam without understanding it because i did not have enough time, and I threw up after the exam, but I passed it because i managed to memorize everything. So if you are fucked up and do not have time, than you are already in hell and paying for it. Try to do better next time, because it is only going to get worse.
Start doing everything early and put up some fake deadlines that make you do everything sooner than reality requires.
Now back to chemistry, i studied biotech at a faculty of chemical technology, if you need help with understanding something, just put a comment here, maybe I can help you, especially with the organic chemistry.
So basically just wake up and start developing some self discipline or you are going to suck for the rest of your life. As an INTP you need to become somebody who is able to give a good professional advice on some serious scientific topics to those retards all around, not to play video games. Stop playing them for 30 days and see if you can manage it, because it is clearly not the goal of your life, you probably do not want to become a professional video game player, so take this away from your life and rather try to be best in your school, look at those dumb people, how can they earn better grades than you? Just because they can memorize some gibberish that does not even make sense to them and they do not even care about it? Take your time and dive deep into the basics , because the one who knows basics is allowed to do everything, even things that are not allowed. And then it becomes fun, even chemistry. You need to go back to those topic where you stopped understanding what is going on, and revise. Revision is also a key, because you probably hate, so just do what you hate. I am sorry to tell you that, but you were born to a very shitty place called Earth, this is how things work here, everything is bad and what seems to be good is just a delusion, you just need to pick the death you prefer. Do you prefer dying like cattle that tries to escape from the knife, or like a hero that is going to fight back, it is no jokes. What do you want to study next, or what do you want to become? And I am just curious, what video games do you like to play?
And if you really feel like you are done, than listen to this song, maybe you can sing a little bit as well, also cry, and then tell yourself that your life is not as bad as life of these people used to be, so start doing something usefull so you do not become a parasite for this society. Maybe read Search for meaning by Viktor Frankl, only the first part of the book, it is very short. Here is the link th-cam.com/video/4gmTxc2wGTI/w-d-xo.html
@@Axadn and after that point, the next horribly boring thing will come, but this time you are going to know how to deal with it.
Been there, went through elementary without any work, went to the gymnasium (most difficult highschool in germany) and got average grades without effort (never even did homework) but i dropped out at 10th class because i hated normal school, i went into a more practical oriented private school where i could focus on my interest and talents (design) and finish school there while also get a jobtitle as a graphic-designer. But this was just the first step, i never intended to work as one, it was just a step to my ultimate goal of becoming a professional car-designer. After that i applied to car-design college and after 2 unseccessful tries i got in. Now i study what i always wanted to do. I love the freedom and creativity paired with the technical aspect of engineering that is smushed together in this field, but sometimes it also feels a bit shallow. I always try to understand the machine first before designing it, for me design is more than just the outer shell. Well i dont even know why i am writing my livestory here, but i think ill just tell you that its not the end of the world if you suck at school or drop out etc. as long as you stay true to your self and your dreams.
Gamification can work. Also kind of looking at the subject from a different angle. If possible you should try and figure out some aspect of your work that is interesting. One thing which worked for me is to basically optimize the crap out of learning. How much learning can you pack into an hour? 30 minutes? Five minutes? Then, work your way through the concepts in the textbook. Figure out what sections there are. Do whatever you can to try and learn something in that one hour. The more "unrealistic" the time frame, the better, as that forces you to let go of your preconceived notions of how to study, and to try and figure out better ways to do it. You may find that it's possible to study a year's worth of material in a few days, if approached correctly. (Or you may not, but the point is that there is genuine discovery to be had here about the process of learning new topics.)
Another thing which I would try was to condense the material as much as possible. That is, to take all the material in a particular section, strip out all the unnecessary fluff and explanations, strip down the definitions to a few words or so, and then write everything down in tiny handwriting on a sheet, and spread it out in front of me. Then I'd only look at the sheet. It kind of gives you a "big picture" feel for the whole thing, from which you can try and draw parallels or conclusions.
All of you INTP's out there that are unsure of their professional future...go for Arts or a STEM career...you will love the freedom to think, just because you want to think and your creativity will develop really fast...it's just fascinating!!
I suck at any kind of art and I have dyscalculia 🥲🥲🥲
That's what I wish I told myselfm I chose business and I hateee it
Idk... I took interior design but still dropped out 😗
Nah imma go for theoretical physics theoretical astrophysics
I wanna go to law school
INTP here. I was labeled as learning disabled in elementary school and put into special Ed. Was over 2 grades behind in all subjects. Ridiculed and bullied by peers. Decided to stop learning the way the teacher taught and do everything my own way. Everything “clicked” and I caught up and went into honors program. Went on the become a lawyer. Fuck being put in a box.
Excellent!
good to hear brother
Lmaooooo I can’t believe they did this to you!
So glad you made it through that mud. Same thing happened to my ex boyfriend. He had severely abusive parents and his "learning disability" was actually childhood mental and emotional abuse.
Unfortunately he was never really able to overcome those mental blocks and limitations his family had put on him.
I'm glad you overcame and showed them all ❤.
I was in LD classes in elementary school too.
"...why do they suck at life until their mid twenties?"
Oh, almost there... soon it'll all work out!
I feel like I'm starting to turn my life around and I recently turned 24 years old. That phrase gave me a little more hope. Even though I have some doubts I'm actually INTP.
I’m 30. Graduated college top of my class. and I’m no where in life. Don’t hold your breath.
As an INTP everyone I know have always said that I'm really smart but I'm basically failing most of my uni classes and have a hard time passing them. Mostly because I can't find the balance of getting an overview of the subject (that is required in uni) because I get stuck in wanting to know everything about the subject (which end up with me not having the time to study for everything). It's so frustrating!!!! to top it off the doubt. the doubt of not knowing enough, not being smart, the fear of missing out and so on have lead to really bad anxiety regarding uni.
OMG this, this, this!
I know that is not that I'm not good or I can't do things. I enjoy reading and learning about certain subjects so much I give all my attention and time to it, and so I end up neglecting everything else. when I know damn well, all this is what, at the end of the day, will cause me to have nothing to turn in and in my teachers' eyes that's seen as a lack of interest in my studies, and obviously they have nothing to grade so..
on top of it all, I am terrified of not being enough or not giving enough (because is not even about grades, but about not giving my 100% and being misjudged as a result), which just feeds my need to know everything. it is So Frustrating!! I really want to get back to uni but I'm scared of dropping out just like the first time
@@kdb5312 tbh, my uni process have taken a lot longer than normal but being an INTP I don't really care what other people think. It is what it is. I'm also at this point where I can't see myself working with anything else so whats the point of dropping out? I'm too lazy to set up another plan. So don't let fear hold you back. You have a set goal- you know your weaknesses- so do it differently this time!! I have actually been working really hard to change my natural habits. hopefully I will see changes soon :)
I feel you.... Not knowing enough.. fear of missing out. My pain in life...
IM LAUGHING BCOS I CAN RELATE SO MUCH 😂😂😂😂 i wanna give yall a high-five cos we in this together.
Guys...I just wanna hug y'all and cry really hard
I'm an intp and I like music. I force myself to do my homework and as a reward, I can listen to one song.
I just want to learn stuff that I want at my own pace.
Hey, same but I read instead.
I think I’m gonna try that I really like music too
interesting, i will try this
it sucks man
i was once on reddit, debating wether public breastfeeding is indecency or not. I agreed that people should be able to brestfeed in public. but they were offended because I questioned their point, pointing out flaws and holes. got massively downvoted because i was trying to learn smh
@@commentcritic7759 people on the internet are weird like that. I don't even know how a genuine question can be translated as a personal attack, especially on twitter.
PS. I agree with the breastfeeding thing, why would a mother allow her child to go hungry in public places just because it's "indecent"?
Like just look away if you don't like seeing that wth
I dropped out at 15 I got my GED the next day. One issue I think you totally ignored INTP struggle with authority.
When you're talking about rewarding a child for doing good. As a child my greatest reward was isolation. Clean my room or I can't go anywhere it's like a win-win.
My siblings were told to stay in their room when they behaved badly and got grounded. I was told to go out and meet people. Haha, it was not fun
You inspired the topic of my next video, thank you.
@@sarahknutsen2317 your parents knew you well
SAME DUDE OMG I hate authority. Like I’m that weird quite kid who’s respectful but secretly in my mind I’m like ‘ i fucking hate y’all like bye’ that’s why I left school, I do online school now. I left school because of anxiety not bc I couldn’t handle authority. But idk man something about rebelling against authority sounds so fun 😂😂 I thought that this was like a life path 8 type of thing, since I’m i life path 8, but turns out intps have trouble with authority too.
Lol right people thought solitary was a punishment awe they were so wrong
I'm an INTP, and I hate school, but I have great grades surprisingly. I dont have great grades because I like the subjects, no way. I have all trought my life studied the day before the test and done very good. And I can retain the information. But the problem with the school system is that they dont make the connections that I need. So I have to do those myself, and I'm really lazy, so I end up doing it all the night before. The reason why I probably do good in school is because I dont like failing, or feeling like a failure. Probably because of some accidental childhood trauma or something loll
In conclusion, I hate the school system, it's trash in my opinion, it doesn't help me, and it makes me feel like I'm stupid for thinking about the "why" of things.
You are the most relatelable in this whole comment section
That trauma can be your motivation to move forward which is most of intps badly need.. sorry to hear that and congratulations for you
same
SAMEEEE. I would love that all subjects could be given in free mode and only take an exam.
I am an INTP, and I’ve graduated university as a math teacher, and worked as a teacher for 2 years. And I didn’t try my best at university neither at work. I didn’t know why I was like that. I really wanted to be the best, but at the same time I didn’t want to do anything to make progress. Everyone said to me, that I am really smart, but I didn’t believe them, because of results and grades I get. I was struggling a lot, I blamed myself a lot, and lose all motivation and self esteem. And I just quited my job, now I am at home, figuring and studying myself. At that time I didn’t know about all this type things, I am really glad this video exists, I am kinda getting the concepts of my personality and trying improve myself. I just wanted to share this, because if anyone feels the same, I wanna tell that you are not alone. We just need to find something that we really really passionate about.
p.s sorry for my english mistakes
Thank you. Your comment was for me 🖤
literally me
That's the thing find your passion... Honestly I find it hard (I really take my time) to study academic materials,I find myself studying books on computers and how to code without having to think about it... but I find it difficult to sit down and study for an academic exam.
"How to Manipulate an INTP as an INTJ"...they're not motivated, make them motivated.
DO NOT EVEN TRY TO MANIPULATE! (without consent)
@@jellyfishi_ so true , for me god matter is most important thing in life
Off topic but kinda similar, I'm an INTP and I have an INTJ sister and right now as of the moment I'm the one trying to get her motivated XD
INTP here, I would resent anyone for life for attempting to manipulate me in any way.
Attempting to manipulate an INTP is a dangerous place to go for a lot of people. OMG, and for the record, we are not lazy or non motivated. We simply don't need as much time as most to complete whatever you think we should be doing.
The very last thing that breeds good will and allows one to retain their mental balance is to try to tell an INTP what to do and OMG when.
As far as school went, it bored me to death. Yes, I procrastinated every assignment and/or task. I remember laughing to myself when a professor would say 'ok this paper is due in three weeks' or whatever the due date was. I typically would start and finish these paper/projects a couple of days from due date. I procrastinated, I believe, because I knew I could have a great paper done and turned in on time. If I were to start it the day it was revealed, I would have rewritten it or added to it and edited it at least a dozen times. Not healthy. For me anyway. I view that as a huge waste of time.
I seemed to 'mind-wander' or daydream a lot during my school years. I still do if someone is rambling on incessantly and I find myself bored. Again.
This guy: "okay so youre gonna have to clean your room before 10 and at 10 if your room isnt clean youre not going to the library"
Me, an intp with no work ethic or time management: "guess im not gonna go then"
literally what i was thinking too (some similar situations actually happened to me several times and my parents were reaallly mad at me)
As an ESTJ I can say that I'm fortunate to have a system that suits my learning style. One of my greatest friends was INTP, he was smart, had potential but didn't really care about school. He would fall asleep in class and wouldn't do homework nor study for tests. He was lots of fun though 😂
Did very well in elementary, high school now and im failing, i have completely lost interest and dont care. I'd rather focus on other things like computer science. All this pisses off my parents
Same but i dont even put effort into getting better grades like whats the point on trying to get high grades when i get average score just by doing almost nothing in studying.
I got motivated in 4th grade because of an online game which i was the only person who completed both for 4th and 5th grade. Now in high school really only care for science or math and struggle with the other subjects.
it doesn’t help that we’ve had this pandemic now. i was an easy A elementary student. now i’m a junior failing every class. i don’t seem to care. i have depression but that’s not all of it. if my mind doesn’t wanna do something, i won’t do it.
@@cloudsaro4509 that’s literally me right now. I was doing great in college, then covid happened and I CANNOT focus and stay motivated at home. Now I’ve fucked my school up.
@@DanJWR22 that part !!
As an INTP I struggled in elementary school until 6th grade. A lot of Low C's some D's. I suppose that changed when my dad told me "your life is gonna be a lot harder if you don't try in school." That lit a fire underneath my ass so instead of not studying at all, I tried studying like 5 min a day. This was also when I developed my extremely unhealthy procrastination skills to manage the work.
In my senior year of HS my AP Psych teacher made us do sleep logs. Imagine her horror in class the next week when she saw that I get 2 hours of sleep maximum on schools days. She asked me, "how do you even function?" I responded with, "function is a strong word."
I'm now starting my 2nd year of college and haven't seen a B on a report card in over 8 years. Though I will admit, writing 5-10 page papers at 2 in the morning when they're due in 6 hours in college is fucking dreadful.
Lucky. My dad told me the same thing and my response was pretty much "Challenge accepted."
Intp on my third year of college. My proudest accomplishment this semester was finishing a 10 page paper as well as a one act play from 5:30am-12 noon. One was due at 12:15 and I submitted it at 12:08. I was proud.
As an INTP, the way I always thought of school was that it was a place for Intellectual Bulimics. The way it is structured is that they force feed you ideas then expect you to vomit them back out when they want. But that was not really the biggest issue, I could still get straight As on tests without studying at all (at least in the traditional sense). The thing that always dragged down my grades were the pointless exercises. For example online class discussion boards. They would always be "does 1+1=2?" Write 1000 words that just mean "Yes" then write 5000 words to other people saying that you agree when they also said "yes." And it would be these that make up like 80% if the grade. Every class I got an A in was one were the exercises actually brought all the information together because at least it forced me to actually think about the topic which actually got me motivated to do the work.
I'm a INTP and the reason I suck at school is because I feel like I'll never learn anything in there, everything is just dumb. But sometimes and lately I've been working hard and getting straight A's. I'm just interested and I want to go for the bigger picture than learning how to do 2+2
Ap classes ?
@@larnorc7424 Health, ROTC, nothing really fun...
I thought stem would be fun, but we just review dumb things.
This makes something very clear; the need for parents that are interested enough to find out what you're interested in is crucial. My parents did their best but I don't think they understood me very well, so I never had much in the way of carrots. Now I'm 30, attempting to grow my own and as it turns out, I'm pretty bad at it... I'm far more likely to pick up a book than tend to my crop haha.
Books are fine. You should see my personal library!
That's impossible if you have a narcissistic parent
As an INTP, I think why I hate school so much is it takes all these wonderful, amazing things, evolved from years of brilliant men and women in order to be used to explain the complex functions and constructs of reality, then school takes them and makes the chores
Like, they say "I have now taught you how the systems of the body work, now answer these questions on the quick check, answer the questions on the homework, answer the questions on the quiz and answer the questions on the test, and if you get them wrong, we're doing the whole year over"
I completely agree. School is disgustingly simple: just "learn" by memory and answer correctly to the questions, no need to deeply understand what you are doing. That's why I don't think school is important and I don't really care about my marks, because I don't feel like I'm learning. I truly wish school focused on students as individuals rather than a mass.
Great video. As an INTP myself, I definitely agreed with most of the points you made. I always seemed to dwell too much on certain things I was actually interested in , and not on what the school syllabus wanted me to focus on.
AMEN
The most memorable things I got from school:
“This is a stupid question, rephrase it if you want to get anywhere.”
“This method is stupid, lay it out on a white board and I’ll show you.”
“This exercise is meaningless, why are you wasting time?”
“There are so much opportunities to make break through how do you not see it?”
Every Single Fucking Class. Just engulfed in rage against the wastefulness of everybody’s time.
I think an INTP's real motivation for study is mostly spontaneous and inspired, and since school is structured and carries time constraints, motivation in that setting is difficult to come by. Discipline doesn't seem to work very well since its an uninspired approach to the problem.
That's really interesting view, I kida relate to it
INTP here, school standardization didn't give me a hard time, socializing was. In that case I do poorly to those activities that requires socializing. Anxiety and fear really cloud my maturity. As of now, I'm in college, got my girlfriend who is an ISTJ helping me and bringing me back to the ground of reality when I'm floating through my insights.
Glad I've stumbled upon your channel by the way :)
That's awesome dude. I'm an INFP
Yes, when I’m interacting with someone my appearance and voice are such a big concern for me. When I’m done with a conversation I always wonder if I came across as annoying, of rude. Because apparently my actions subconsciously are wrong. I always question why do I need to learn this or that in school because for me it’s not going to benefit me. In arguments sometimes I’m guilty of just wanting to be right, I’m always second guessing myself I’m a little insecure and stuff but can be outgoing when I feel comfortable. I procrastinate too much I have so many missing assignments in school and it sucks. My emotions switch so fast sometimes and I don’t even know why I get a flush of regrets and fears In my head. I’m not sure why I typed all this it just feels good to know that there are other people like me I guess I’m not sure lol. - INTP
I’m just realizing your comment was 2 years ago my mistake.
INTP here and you nailed how I felt growing up. I was definitely a late bloomer. I didn't really start develop my viewpoint of the world until my mid-late twenties and now, in my early thirties I'm still refining it in my search for truth. I was also a lazy student doing the bare minimum; just enough to keep my parents off my back with as little effort as possible. The verbal fights I had with my parents over school always went something like this:
Mom: is your homework done?
me: no
Mom: why isn't it?
me: because if the purpose of homework is to understand the topic, I understand the topic without having to do the hw.
Mom(more angry now): no, the purpose of the hw is to help you get good grades, so you can go to a good school, so you can get a good job.
me: so understanding the material isn't important?
As someone who has taken the test multiple times and always get INTP, you are spot on... It's as if you are saying and understanding everything I am feeling for me.
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Because the school score doesn't indicate exactly someone's intelligence. I admit that intps are the smartest type of all 16 types. But I dislike sometimes when they say "I can achieve anything If I want (especially comparing to intjs), but I am just lazy." Because they seem to justify their low productivity is from mere unwillingness to do something, not exactly lack of "endurance" to pursue a steady goal for achievement. But I want to say that endurance is also a very huge talent in someone's life. And they don't seem to admit this point. That makes them look arrogant.
intp here, i agree. I usually think school is about memorization and how much you care rather than being the smartest person in the room.
I think what INTPs don't get that the hardness is also part of the process. It's not about "potential". Because what we all like to believe that we're born with limitless or endless potential. But does everyone end up successful because of this?
Figuring out what works, making sense of the problem, working with yourself, motivating yourself, and finding reasons to continue (or endurance as you say) - they're all part of the process.
Only then will you get to the desired result. There's no avoiding it, you HAVE to put the work in.
Nah I think you’re missing the point. It’s true that we think anything can be achieved if the intention is there but that relates to everyone not just INTP in general. I think it’s equal parts talent and hard work is what actually gets you somewhere and without one or the other your basically average. Also comparing INTP with INTJ who are in my opinion more significantly smarter than INTP considering they can actually put their thoughts into action is a bit unfair.
as an intp, i hate that i know i have to suck it up, but then again, it must be done, the end will justify the means
NI critic can be a bitch (critic function is the negative voice) it tells us to not commit to anything we want, and make us change our minds often.
Mature INTPs understand that consistency, and healthy habits is our true strength (SI child).
Force your way through even if the voice in your head is making you doubt yourself. You'll realise that at the end you'll be happy that you committed, and stayed consistent.
I always wanted to go deep into subjects since the beginning and my teachers would be like “wait wait, you still have to learn the basics”. I’d tell them I didn’t need that because I could understand everything better if I got an overview first, but they never believed me. Then they’d get really frustrated because I wasn’t interested or put any effort into homework, but they couldn’t really complain since I still somehow aced every test. When they did, I would just ask why were grades even important when I learned what I had to, like “isn’t that the point of school?” and they never knew what to say outside of “that’s just how it works”.
That sounds about right.
I agree with the “focusing on the future” thing. In school I learn so many things that have zero importance for my future plans and just for that reason I cannot get myself to waste my time learning FUCKING LATIN
I am an INTP and I wish my parents watched this and let me have homeschooling rather than attend traditional school. When I was a teenager I taught myself piano and english and I disliked having a teacher correct me if I made a mistake. I always procrastinate but got good grades without much effort but now I’m at uni and this doesn’t work anymore TT
As an INFJ, I find this kind of information to be tremendously useful for understanding and helping others.
it’s simple... we don’t like to be told what to do lmao
English is my second language and I literally feel what does it mean to be dropped out, knowing, maybe, a lot about the subject. I don't perform well in English lessons, because my teacher urges us to follow the instructions which I consider as something that implies trick and riddle. It is not difficult now to figure out that the rules are simple and comprehensive, indeed. I can understand English and write in English (as you can see), but I often do a lot of mistakes due to a poor way of learning was chosen by my teacher.
INTP here, at the 1st sem i got huge grades and i didn't even study in most of those tests, in 2nd sem i just got bored of school and i just got lazy enough to the point that i didnt even go to class, i just stayed at the library reading books that interests me, my grades went down from 93 to 75 and i didnt even care what my grades looked like and i always say to my self "I came to school to learn, then I will learn what I want to learn". And the thing that irritates me the most is my classmates think I'm smart enough to top" but i always think that its is the opposite and I get offended when other people call me smart, and it annoys me even more that the people I call smart calls me smart as well. It makes me Sick.
You're an INTP through and through. - Fellow INTP
At 44, just learning about MBTI (and Aspergers/autism due to mild sensory issues), definitely an INTP.
I found school to be boring and without trying, just got C's through most of grade school. In High School, I started writing a book and I took the grade-weighted Commercial Art classes and Computer Programming classes, putting me on the Honor Roll for 7 of the 8 semesters. It was the book that got me inspired to learn about things like chemistry, biology (ignoring the stupid evolution garbage), geology, etymology, and other subjects that I used to create the world of my book. (Even in High School, I was bored overall, though. In most classes, I'd just doodle and brainstorm for my book, and when the class couldn't answer a teacher's question, they'd just call out "Scholar (my last name) tell them."... and I would give the simple answer, and the teacher would move on - I never raised my hand to answer a question.)
So, I wouldn't say it's so much being "lazy" or "procrastination" that is a problem for INTPs (as much as people seem to like to label them and put them down for it, and some INTPs seem to take as a badge of honor)... but a lack of a goal that they see as worthwhile, with achievable steps by which to advance toward it. In my case, I wrote a book in High School... it took every lunch break and study hall period spent in the computer lab for about 3 years, to have access to a computer and printer to work on it, but I succeeded in that goal. I went back to read it, and I cringe, because it's my first work, and it was written like the script to a video game (the reason I wrote it... was to be the base of a video game, so it's not bad in that respect, but it's not so much good literature.)
So I've gone back as an adult to write it well. I still intend to finish and publish the book, and make it the source material for a series of video games that I'm programming myself. (tools have finally become available for a creative type like myself to produce commercial quality programs (and even publish books) without having to rely on a programmer (or big publishing house.)
What I've noticed as an adult, is that I'm spread very thin now with the responsibilities of adulthood (job, taking care of the house and stuff), and a desire to have friends, creating social responsibilities also drawing on my limited time (taking chunks of time in recreation that I'd rather be using to write/draw, to play online video games... which I do find fun, but ... aren't as important)
I also find myself drawn to many possibilities and concepts and things that could become interesting parts of my worlds and I don't want to let them all go to waste or leave them unexplored, because they could be the next fantastic addition... and despite doing horrible at music in school (the one class I failed), there are now computer programs that let you compose music, and I'm considering writing/creating my own music for my games, so I want to learn that as well. There's just so much to do, so many directions to go, that deciding (cutting away options to go one direction) feels like it's not an option. I need to go down all those paths to create the whole of my vision.
The eventuality: many goals, many interests, many motivations, but no concrete steps to take to achieve any one goal. It's far from being lazy or procrastinating... I'm going in too many directions at one time. (and many of those directions are in my head, including constant learning).
Edit: I kinda strayed from the video's point into the lazy thing in many comments below, but to return to point, INTPs do well when they're learning things they want to learn about, digging into it far beyond what a class will teach (as said in the video), so they need to find that and be given the freedom and access to the resources to satiate that curiosity. It seems to me, that INTPs need to create frameworks about how larger systems work, and then fit all new knowledge into that framework (or parallel frameworks that also fit into a larger framework) And the video is very correct that schools do a horrible job at making sense of knowledge, just giving people facts without any real framework of importance. That's a recipe for ignoring inconsequential facts. (I hate trivia and pop culture, for instance, and dates are of no importance, though a sequence of events and their importance can be interesting as a whole.)
as INTP i use to always get annoyed , struggle when in exam or assignment to get good grades or full points especially in maths you have to show explanation in solving problem 😂but the thing is they want you to think the same way as everyone else so they try to brain wash you in thinking you have to solve problems in certain ways because that is the right way otherwise you not getting full marks. one of the reasons why i was failing exams but got best marks in coursework 😂 .Even when i was in grade school i use to solve math problems my own way and got answers right but the way i was solving them didn’t fit schools system close minded barrier ....my hard way to solve problems as my teachers said is not needed but no matter how manny times i talked with them that the reason i am struggling is because its no offence but your easy way to solve problems for me is hard. it just doesn’t make sense back then i did not know i was just that type INTP person so i struggled i thought is it just me because instead incurring my teachers put me down without reason as most intp are introverted its like they putting you in even smaller cage .... i was failing exams in the things i wasn’t interested in i guess why i was failing even though i knew i could learn the way they wanted me to learn but i honesty thought its messed up and i couldn’t force myself to learn something that its not interning ,suppressed and close minded . As they call normal school system is made for equality it just that they don’t understand that in equality people might feel different and don’t feel equal .
When my mother used to help me with homework, she would scream at me because I couldn't solve the easiest thing ever. It was easier for me to solve it the 'hard' way and not the easy way. I am the same way now and I find it irritating the way my math teacher teaches. I don't operate on the same brain wave, and it takes me longer to solve the questions.
When I was in Jr. High I was stealing high school and university books to read instead of doing my homework. I wasn't bad at school, I was bored. I was lucky enough to have an uncle that recognized my tendencies, and would give me broken radios, and TV's small gas engines to play with. I am now old, but still have to take everything apart to understand it. lol
im either the 1 INTP thats not gifted or im too lazy to study or school system suck
Both!
I think the other 2 that are not gifted still have the higher score of iq test among the rest of the type
I am from the future,we are in total lockdown and have online school!
@@lyx8039 ngl it makes me lazier cuz its easy to cheat lmaoO
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"am i a typical intp or am i just too depressed to care about school work anymore", the story of my life
I'm here watching this video with a heavy feeling in my chest; Since I was little I've realized with this video that I never got the chance to learn anything because of being purposely caged, when I was a little kid I was the gifted kid yes, between 5 to 13 years of age but my parents raised me caged in a religion stating it as absolute truth, I wasn't allowed to question, when I tried to be curious about something or question things beyond I was told to shut up or I was answered with an over simplification of things, when I started having trouble at school as a teen I tried to get help but it only made me feel more and more caged and unable to see beyond a hole in a wall, my dad would try to teach me math for instance and when I'd ask him or try to do it a different method he would anger and pull me "by the nose" to do it as he explained, and constantly like this among gaslighting on my mother's side plus now me at my 22 years of life finally understanding myself better with this MBTI thing, I wonder if I can do anything about it, I'm here now and I've matured a lot, I've understood many things that troubled me, but I'm still stuck in a hole where I can't trust myself anymore neither bring myself to even pick a book anymore, and it just saddens me. Please if you're reading this and your child is an INTP don't do this. /:
INTP as well
For me I hated that in science subjects (physics and chemistry) because the way my teachers taught me was to memorise the answers and write it down on the test paper. Sure, they taught the concept but it was kinda shallow? I'm not sure how to explain this. And like for maths (my fav subject) they would just teach you to follow instructions to do specific questions which is really inflexible and rarely explain concepts more depth.
But I gotta give my thanks to a really good teacher I had and also youtube for teaching me math way better than my school (and also how things in maths are interconnected).
I live in a country where the education system is considered world class fyi.
As an INTP I started being a bad grader in middle school but it was always because it was so exhausting. Surprisingly even when I never studied or wouldn't touch my notebooks, I still passed.
P.S- My grandfather thought I wouldn't pass out my highschool because I didn't study and he was surprised to know that I graduated
i dont really suck in school but my inconsistency is so beautiful lmao
This is the best one I've seen. Thank you for this
This was a really helpful video for me as an INTP. Thank you for your time and effort
Since INTPs don't have good goal setting (low Ni) and love being comfortable (Si) it's easy to fall behind there.
The best thing for an INTP in school is to be *given* good goal setting guidance and *ordered* to follow their goal setting afterwards or we won't do it.
And they better have a perfect explanation as to why.
INTP have enormous Ni, but it's counter valued and unconscious. Which makes them always doubt it and keep searching with Ne. And Ni is not goal setting, it's synthesis, seeing the big pictures.
Ignoring Te and Se would be why they do not care for goal oriented procedures and have low physical actualization.
As an INTP, what were your best/favorite subjects in school? Also, are there any INTPs out there who are incredibly bad at math, like I am?
I excelled in English, because it always held the most interest to me - as did Geography and History. I have always been heavily into creative writing. When it came to math and science, though, I was downright terrible at both, with math even moreso. Even now, despite being in my early thirties, I still don't like math, it's never been something that I enjoy.
I guess I'm just wondering if there are other INTPs out there who also struggle with math? Mostly because I've heard from multiple sources that we're actually supposed to enjoy that kind of thing.
same ,i am an intp-t and i'm having a lot of math sessions at university and i just hate it , i'm more interested in subjects like : philosophy , geography , languages , economy
I’m still in high school, and I’m making this comment a year later, but I definitely struggle. I’d have to go with certain sciences being my favorite for the most part because I feel I learn the most. I feel like I’m actually gaining knowledge that could potentially be useful at some point, and even if it’s not, extra knowledge is never bad, right? Math on the other hand for me has been the bane of my existence since probably 8th grade and I can’t stand it. Subjects like history are also okay for me, since it all just feels like a memorization game. Definitely not my favorite though.
Excellent video. Very informative and intuitively accessible. Thank you for putting education in context. Really appreciate the content.
thanks for the explanation, I can finally (somewhat) understand myself better. And I also feel really sorry for my younger self, for being misunderstood. This makes me think if I have my own children in the future, I will try to understand them as soon as I can and provide them anything that they need
I am INTP and I FORCED myself to go through school relying on the power of brute force memorization
I am an INTP and throughout my life many people have told me that I am smart, have you ever wondered WHY do people tell you that ? Is it just me? Most people see potential but since there’s no results you keep wondering what are they seeing in you (?) I’ve been reading the comments and I feel so relatable to all of them, it is a relief🥲
Wow. These were excellent explanations. Thank you so much ❤️.
I relate to everything here :0 and i noticed you are smart for putting up all your points in the beginning for us INTPs :D
It's because I care :)
I wrote on my Religious education exam, I wrote "I do not believe in gods" this was a 13-page exam so I told them straight I was talking to the examiner at this point and I wanted to see what happens ... "and to me, that was the perfect answer to a none question of fake things" they gave me an F = fail, and I was so confused it was almost like I had to believe in gods to write the paper they wanted me to write.. but I gave them an answer I do not believe in gods... I laughed and thought to myself I am so far forward than this teacher he does not even get it, then I walked out of all my papers because I lost trust in all of everything never turned up for any test, and people ask me still till this day why did you walk out on everything and I tell the same answer it is a waste of time, i think i wanted to fail just to rattle someone for 1 second maybe or make them think of a different option.
The majority of people in my country is religious. And me not believing in god is hard asf. I can't god damn learn something i don't believe in or not interested in it. When i study religion at school, it's like being fed trash. It's pointless to me and illogical. So i fail basically every test imaginable. Oh and you memorize notes and shit to do the tests. It's frustrating as hell. It's even harder when you come from a family that's religious, not sure how to say "i don't believe in god" to them.
I might start that way, and it would be true; I do not believe in gods. However mythology and religion can be interesting when viewed as traditional, culture and superstition. You know you can write a good paper without believing, it is probably the biggest strength of an INTP mind - the ability to see things from many angles, take a universalist approach which ignores our personal opinions, our personal interest/benefit and to apply principles and logic to test something at different levels.
One of my joys was to understand somebodies worldview better than they did so I was able to show them every contradiction and logical fallacy before they even answered the question (which I already knew the answer to and thus didn't need to ask.)
INTP, I believe in Chrisianity.
If I had a lot prepared for this topic I would've stated some of the points in why do I believe in a religion, but well I know too little on this matter. But I do have some point that are generally blind spots to us thinkers.
Human is nothing logical. Logic is a tool for us, it was discovered and used to find answers. But it's not the bases of human. Humans are driven by many things but logic, in fact it's not even logical to have logical motives. We can't say I ride a bike because nothing, I just ride a bike. We ride a bike because we needed to for whatever reason. Yet we move, we think, we _want._ Illogical things are not fake, but logic is just not part of those.
No it's not very linked to the topic, but I think I proved to you guys in why illogical thinks exist, and why illogic things are not a must refuse. As you can tell, religion is more or less not logically based. (That said, I think my religion does make sense) Just don't take something as false if it obviously cannot be scientifically proven.
My first semester was a rude awakening for me. I was the smart one growing up and was very unhappy with my world history class because the material that was covered didn't give me a wide scope of the subject. Instead I was given information that was very vaguely related. Weirdly enough I learn better when reading wikipedia articles because they give me a bigger picture of the subject at hand. Your statement about INTPs seeking truth applies to me a lot. A movie will often grab my attention if there are a lot of unanswered questions within the narrative yet to be answered.
OMG this was fantastic
Thank you so much for your that. I was never, ever good at school apart from Arts and P.E.
My parents used to give me physical punishments every time I had a bad grade.
OMG you have no idea how much weight from my shoulders you just took away. I wish I had all those information when I was a student. Being an INTP is not easy but I wouldn't change my personality for nothing. I am just embracing more and more.
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I always had near failing grades at school. Luckily in my early twenties i was heavily exposed to process analysis and process improvement methodologies, then when i started in a specialist post at 22, i noticed i can easily understand and synthesize ideas then apply them as needed on the job. It’s like my brain capacity had a very big boost lately - and it’s weird because at home i am still treated like a 7 year old kid.
Synthesize, indeed!!!! The INTP Brain is made for synthesizing and that is a concept I have really come to understand the last few months. Now I understand why I could not focus for so many years.
Am I the only INTP that does decently in academics?
I have top scores in subjects I like, such as Maths and science, but still pass in subjects I don't like.
Nah you're not the only one . I had to get decent grades so that i don't get whooped lol
@@claricelee7173 well, it's because you're actually interested in those subjects
I kill it on test’s but can’t find motivation for homework ever lol
Never felt so seen in my life great video
Excellent video that I completely relate to Thank You
INTP here and didn't suck at school because, I was initially rebuked for being myself, so I quickly understood how to get good marks with their limited patterns and all were happy and satisfied that I "understood". Then I studied on my own in parallel.
The result is that I was always good at school and that to this day I still remember things that I learned on my own 30 years ago while most people struggle to remember anything they learned 3 months ago. And yes, I'm quite a looser anyway.
Me after reading the title without watching the video:
You were asking that because you don't know much about INTP's. Well, INTP's are introverts and the ideas that were popping in our minds are uncontrollable that's why we end up quitting something without starting or without finishing it. We may suck at school because when the idea comes to our minds, we can't compile it perfectly, we can't explain it properly,we can't express everything on our idea. It's like, after applying our ideas, it becomes second best.
Actually watch the video.
Am not sure if i am an INTP or an INFP but i can relate to alot of what you said. I love how well you explain and get your points across. I found this video to be very therapeutic solving confusions I had about myself as a child. I know that I cannot learn something within a set time, my main reason being that I want to understand the subject to its core, I cannot stand superficial understanding. So inevitably I will come across concepts or words in the text that I dont quite understand and will then proceed into a deep dive of the concept wherein I will look up words and listen to multiple videos on the subject since I can again sense gaps in the videos. Nothing upsets me more than confusion in myself and ignorance in others. If I really was myself then the poor teacher would be exhausted by a potentially hours long stint of my wanting to dissect, analyze and gain clarity. Then with regards to socializing, engaging in conversation is frustrating because I have to resort to quick offhand answers, and quick offhand answers are misleading as I am not giving you the full picture and I know I am not. And if I did give you the full picture we would spend the next hour and you would be feeling quite frustrated. Or at least I think you will. So now I have the guilt of allowing you to think that you understand when really you dont, leaving you prey to the Dunning Kruger effect. Verbal conversations are therefore pointless except purely for emotional reasons. Any knowledge gained through a friendly conversation should always be verified. At school I could not relate to the other children because they seemed to talk about sequences of events as opposed to insights or pattern recognitions, or overriding principles. I would look around and think, 'what's wrong with me... why cant I talk like them." They would say things like, I went to this party, my daddy bought me this....are you kidding me! They would play the same games over and over again which made me angry because I didnt see the point and they were wasting my precious time which I could spend learning piano or drawing. I realised when I got out of school that with a good textbook and a dictionary I would have gotten so much more than what the teacher could teach me. Now thanks to google, I am in my element, finally getting access to the knowledge I so craved since a child, including access to the knowledge and clarity you have provided me in this video. It feels like I can finally breath. Man I sound like such a snob. Take care and thank you.
My school life was a disaster. I was a talented artist and everyone knew that I was gifted. I had more ability than the pupils and the teachers.I ran into trouble when the teacher would set a task and she would demand that every piece of work must have a meaning behind it put I didn’t want to draw what she wanted and make up some arty meaning behind my work. I would make it a point to create the best image I could but omit my reason for drawing it. She started making me as a fail on every assignment to the point where all the kids in the school were more angry than me about it. I knew that my teachers ability was substandard and her methods were nonsense. I made a point of doing some assignments for my classmates and the were all A’s. She knew what I was doing and said “ I hope they get the grade you deserve”
I think I'm more INFP but there's a lot of similarities to INTP and lately I feel a strong connection with this type. My interests were always far away from the school subjects. I learned most things by myself, school and teachers never motivated me to learn, rather the opposite lol.
So when I somehow passed the last, final exam finishing my education that was a huge victory but mainly relief. I must have thought about dropping out millions of times but finally I did it lol.
Ah! No wonder i feel depressed at the back of the class with my sensitive personality.
As an INTP, I can definitely relate. I struggled with motivation during my later years in school, and didn't know or understand why. As a result, I ended up getting severely depressed and failing miserably. I'm in a much better place now in my late 20s, having a better picture of who I am and what it is that I would like to do with my life, which for the time being is software development or AI.
Thank you for the sharing.
I'm in that "non-motivated, (mild) depressed" phase :')... I can't help it
I really agree with what you said about INTPs needing to be pushed. In elementary school I did really well and I never needed to study for anything. I think the only reason I’m actually getting good grades now in high school is because my parents made sure I had a really clear understanding of what grades meant but also generally just constantly making sure I’m pushed. Yeah a lot of times it means getting the stick rather than the carrot but in a way that negativity is a drive for me. That probably sounds kinda bad but I guess what I’m trying to communicate is that having any kind of emotion moves me out of apathy, which gives me motivation to work. I’ve found that the most difficult part of actually getting started is the getting started part itself. Once I’m past the initial “dread” of getting started I find that I am able to work for possibly days on end. Lately what I’ve been doing is just 1-2 days of nonstop work and then like a week of doing nothing. In my experience it just seems that what INTPs lack is a sense of discipline and urgency. My recommendation is to just tell yourself to spend like 5-10 minutes doing that first portion of math homework or whatever and once you have gotten started it feels much easier. Also, starting assignments in class makes it feel a lot easier to finish at home. That is just my two cents on it I hope that made sense.
I grew up as an ENTP and went through school up until College without any effort whatsoever. I would get A's and B'S in tests without ever studying anything, but my grades would suffer because I was not doing any homeworks (those were accounted for in the final grade), I even failed a class in grade 10 because I literally skipped half of the school year, got a B in the final exam, but because I had not done anything in class, was given an F as final grade. I dropped school that year, and graduated about 10 years later at adult school with an A. When I compare myself with some kids that are now the same age as I was (my mother kept a journal of my childhood, then I continued keeping that journal later on), I am amazed at how my thoughts were mature for my age. How many kids do you know who run away from home, miles away, multiple times, by themselves, as early as 3 years old? I remember asking questions about some troubles that existed in my family when I was 7, but my father to answer "you won't understand" or "you're too small to know these things". These answers frustrated me the most. The second answers that upset me were "do this just because". Because what? No one would tell me, so I would not do it, and would be labelled as a rebellious kid. I think I turned INTP at around 12, when I started to feel depressed about seeing myself so different than anybody else; I isolated myself and made friends with other isolated individuals who also felt misunderstood. And so I agree with most comments made, here, that what makes things difficult for *NTP (specially INTP) is the lack of motivation, of purpose, and of freedom to explore knowledge outside of the beaten path. Quantitative answers are easy, boringly easy, but qualitative answers were always my stumbling blocks, because I would often read the question differently than the intended one by the teacher, and would have to ask for a review. Once a teacher gave me half of the point, not because my answer was bad, but because it was not "what I asked", she said. I love school, but I also wanted it to be over so bad when I was there. Conformity is not something that INTPs are good at.
"Turned INTP"
It seems like you were always INTP. Being isolated, lonely, doesn't mean that you're not E. And you don't change personality, that's not how that works. From the stories you're telling, it appears that you are Ti-Dom since your childhood, not Ne-Dom.
as a young INTP, I'd skip school to go to the library. I would always manage to work just enough to pass all my exams, I don't think I have ever done my homework or arrived on time. Teachers were puzzled, I'd skip schools and get into trouble, yet I had good to excellent grades and couldn't kick me out.
That is hilarious.
Thank you! Now I know what I’m going to do as an intp.
You are so right! If I've known this earlier, I would have made adjustment. Never thought I'm a slow learner in school... :(
For me it is jumping through hoops. Second all the unconnected tid bits of information. Thrid emphasis on rote learning. I cant imagine anything more braindead or lethal to the intellect then rote learning. You only do that if you use the tid bits for something in the near future.
Lastly. The avarage iq is 100 or 104 whatever. That avarage intelligence is barely intelligent enough to assemble ikea furniture or pay a bill by using a computer. Wich is rather depressing.
Me, an INTP
i matured earlier then most people
Ahhhh so true about myself. I always studied in the top class without any effort when I still at elementary school. But I just felt so boring when it was mid and high school, but still at the top classes.
I found out something more suitable for myself and I just drill into it. Before I awake, I already failed a few subjects. But I passed them eventually by the old way.
I’m the type of know how to score exam. So, I prefer things that not just right or wrong, black or white, up or down which is art, movie, literature, language and music.
This is such a good video.
I’m triggered hahahaha
I finally get to a good place in my education and A PANDEMIC BREAKS OUT?!?!?!?!?!
That being said I’m back to square one.
And I am gifted. But very adhd 🙄
@Cole Kazmier Don't say that. Don't give up. Amazing things can happen if you push through.
@@Chthonic_Elements and do what? Leave school with a degree that has a job you never wanted, never get hired even though you studied for a lot for nothing?
@@lyx8039 I wasn't replying to her.
So what should you do if you're an INTP watching this video?
Idrk
Spot on. I Developed most of my skills they tried to teach in school.. AFTER SCHOOL, when i needed to develop them in REAL LIFE (Not the theoretical scenarios constantly thrown at me)
Excelent video.
why do they suck at school?
I can tell, one of these reasons the lectures usually last longer than 5 minutes, not str8 to the point.
I got this from the length of your video
So I take it you didn't actually watch the video... Pity... I might have had something helpful to say therein.
@@MattLaine the answer is obvious.
If you allow yourself to be judged by others system it means you failed and sucked, even tho you are number 1 student.
But if you choose someone else judgment then the answer is simple.
Just study.
No point in over thinking it.
You are basically what are you doing atm, other wise you are actually lost and blaming something else rather than solution .
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If you really want success, you will realize it doesn't matter how you feel or think.. But it matters what you do.
No point in creating helpless patterns to support someone's failure in doing.
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And In doing you should realize your weaknesses and find solutions.
This is the practical advice.
I am an INTP and I succeed in school 🧐
almost same (still failed at some point lol). I'm also very gifted so that helps. I know other INTPs that didn't suceed as well
I don’t know many intp but i think if intps study , our society will be better we are smarter than others
I'm INTP too, succeed until high school but almost failed when in college, i guess the older i get i lack motivation and just too lazy to do anything :/
I was great at school. Show up, regurgitate information on command, go home. I was always horrible at doing homework. I was so good at the in class stuff I literally didn't need to for the majority of my classes. I eventually got myself to do it because the 20 whatever minutes it would take me to knock it out was well worth not getting bothered and grilled by parents and teachers about it.
As an INTP, med school has been quite overwhelming. More overwhelming than other types would experience I suppose. Mainly the workload where they prefer quantitative outputs. And from my perspective not everything makes sense so I tend to set them aside for the meantime and end up cramming paper works. I also tend to delve deep into a topic/subject where my peers and professors say that I am reaching unreasonable depths for my current level; but to the downside of not being able to touch on other material because in medicine, time is not really on our side. These have been my main challenges as an INTP medical student and sometimes it makes me wonder about my aptitude in this field. I love studying the materials, but the process and culture makes me feel alienated.
School expects their students to be a receptive vessel - open and absorbant like a sponge to all the knowledge they have to give. But learning isn't customizable, and that's the problem for INTPs.
Because we find so much pleasure in thinking, we want to figure things out on our own. I dare say we enjoy the process more than the outcome. Hence, we can be quite stubborn and selective (only partially instead of fully permeable) with information given.
After all, we have our OWN way of wanting to do things. That's when all sorts of problems arise.
Because INTPs aren't smart or not in the traditional way at least.
INTPs are good at asking questions. There is a desire to learn but not necessarily an ability to learn. I can ask why the sky is blue but if I can't comprehend why despite an exlanation then I'm pretty fucking stupid.
@ Easy in comaprison to who?
@@downsjmmyjones101 I assume compared to average
@ You are not lazy. You just lack motivation thats why you think you are lazy but in reality, you can do anything you want, you just dont have too since whats tge point. Also an INTP here.
Lolz
This video is too long . the answer is easy. We are just too lazy to study at home. And even if we tried its gonna end up by thinking about some shit
Admit it, you're a dopamine addict!
@@MattLaine no 💁 i just dont like school and i have adhd
I don't think we are lazy, just lost interest? Numbers aren't impressive enough that's why i'm suck at math not because i am stupid. I'll be unemployed lol :D
@@kent4016 you kinda right. But i disagree . we are lazy in a lot of times. But i agree that number aren't impressive. I hate math
as a intp i did pretty well in elementary & middle school. now in high school i'm really struggling and losing interest in even trying. most of the subjects i don't see the point in memorising material that i'll forget the day after the test. for exaple i had a geography test this week that i think i did really badly on bc i the whole thing was practicly just memorising names- no concepts. i find the texstbooks and teaching metods of some of my teachers hard to approach. so now i'm losing interest in things i liked before and questioning why i chose this high school.
As a 17 year old intp I resonate with this very much I'm only just starting to get to the stage where I can get work in education done as much as my intp brain does not go well with it.
With my discovery of personality types and after me testing myself 3 times to make sure I knew I was an intp I feel as if I know my place in the world as I often thought I was different from everyone but after being curious enough to research this I found that most people feel that they are "different" so my thoughts were if everyone thinks that they are different then we are more similar then we realise but then I still was on the edge on if I was actually weird or something like that. Then comes the personality types and after thorough research into the intp type after my 3 test results all coming back as intp I finally feel almost liberated in knowing why I feel awkward and why all my friends are on TikTok and I'm reading Aristotle works I'm glad I can develop knowing who I am (to a certain extent). There is always more one can learn about themselves of course but with this I have found a baseline. Thank you for the great video :)
Wow! I wish I’d been tested early. This is my type. My 12 year old daughter is just like me and I’m always trying to help her
with moving through the tediousness of the school system yet giving her freedom to do things differently at home. Her father - my ex - is a narcissist (trial attorney) and he insults her so badly. He’s very
rigid. Homeschooling is not an option because he insists on the Catholic school system and I really don’t have the power he does. She already informed him last year that she is not a Catholic and tried to explain all of her reasons which were complex but connected and he became angry. She has an inability to withhold her beliefs or truths. She shuts down and stays in her room at his house and is messy. I’m going to try some of the ideas you gave in this and let her take the test also. I read a lot but frankly have a hard time with the parenting solutions at times. Thank you.
I have some things I'd like to respond, but not in the comments section of a TH-cam video for the sake of respecting your privacy. Feel free to respond, or not if you don't want to... but the offer is open. If you want to discuss matters further, you can email me at matt@matt-laine.dev.
I really appreciate your response. I wrote to you using the email you provided.
@@katerinabentley5882 I looked through all my messages and couldn't find it. Perhaps try sending again. TH-cam is unusual in the way it links emails, so, if you haven't already, try typing it out and replacing the tokens with the real characters: matt(at)matt-laine(dot)dev
@Reese Reynolds that’s something I had not considered. My mother was a controlling narcissist (redundant ) and my father was very logical, an observer, allowed a lot of freedom to explore, and bluntly factual (out of helpfulness lol). Possibly because my daughter has lived with extreme narcissism from her father… she has had to recognize patterns & systems to be self sufficient. Trying to constantly make sense out of chaos. She is very shut down emotionally and questions what she should be feeling in different situations. Thank you for posting.
I didnt realize that I can learn better on my own, until I reached college. I never studied before. But when I reached college I had this professor (who is a doctor) who is very bookish, rarely holds class and gives out the worst tests. I remember sitting in the library overwhelmed with the chapters I have to read, but then everything went pretty smoothly. I understood everything well. And I found a good study technique that helps me remember things easily. If attendance weren't counted in class, Id probably stayed in the lib and learn things on my own.
So glad I found this video. This is me! I am a INTP. Good to have a better understanding of how I am like.
I’m an INTP female who was homeschooled which meant I did whatever the hell I felt like. When it came time to go to college and pick a major I got overwhelmed by the choice and had to quit. It’s been 18 years since then and I can’t say I regret stepping away. It’s not like I stopped learning things.