wow this is top tier analysis. I have been catching up on your channel and you have a real knack for weaving in philosophy into film analysis and somehow allowing me to understand both a lot better. Glad you're back!
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"instead of recognizing the universal in the particular, we universalize the particular." such a perfect way to describe what the culture wars--both sides--tries to do to art; stripping it of its universal sentiment. i've been searching for a way of describing this idea for a long time now, so thank you for this gem of a phrase!
Though this may happen, I more often see a position, which makes universal picture from usual representation of group X in popculture. If, for example, scientists are almost always the villains, it also can help to change the mainstream view about them - which can actually be a problem.
@zmateneslunicko3928 but then you're blaming an individual movie for a bigger trend. Spiderverse touches on the unpopularity of cops, but it's not about them at all. It can't be about everything. And also Gwen's dad has a death grudge against his own daughter and shoots at her, that's not exactly great policing
@@santiagogarza8121 Yep, that is not a critique of that particular movie. I just think the usual position critiques a movie for falling into that trend, as a part of a problem.
So, for instance, if you don't like LGBT, you see it as a brainwash or whatever, because you see the trend of the topic in more and more movies and you may be afraid that it will become the new norm. Which may or may not be an issue, depending on the values you hold.
a lot of the culture war can be distilled to lack of media literacy and contextual awareness. These were things that were taught to kids my age (early 90s) yet somehow this has disappeared in the cultural consciousness.
It's not the utterly reasonable take we deserve, but it's the one we need. Thanks Jared. 40k subs is nothing to sniff at, but it's not 1M either. Don't let that get you down. You have such a good voice, a solid viewpoint, that you may serve as a kind of neutron absorbing rod thrust into the fissile intercourse of the modern internet. The ones who only ever want more heat, more energy, more power, will not like or listen to you - but they are also the ones who would blow us all up without ever seeing it coming. So don't listen to them. Thanks.
Woah just woah You literally describe in an amazing/spectacular/superior way what are the things that made Spiderman the Spiderman (responsability, choises, powers, love, good, diversity) in the last minutes of your video. That was one of best analisys of Spiderman character that I have ever seen Awesome video man.
Without saying that superheroes are LGBT+ allegories (because more often than not, they're not) I will say that I always found some of the struggles of being a superhero with a secret identity relatable to being in the closet and living a double life. Maybe Gwen is queer, maybe not, honestly it doesn't really matter imo, either way I felt really identified and understood by seeing how she struggles with not being accepted by her dad. Maybe sometimes we don't need the most obvious and literal interpretation of queerness to feel a connection. I get that it can be comforting to imagine that Gwen is queer and that's fine, I mean, it's not impossible either, but it bugs me when people treat it as a fact with so little to go by just because it makes them feel good. Spider Gwen is my favorite superhero (not a shocker if you see my profile image lol), I've followed her from the very start of her solo run, I don't need her to be queer to think she's awesome. In my book, the fact that she supports trans rights is good no matter if she herself is trans or not.
. Not saying you're bigoted or something like that but I feel like we wouldn't have any problem if we were to assume she's not for a fact, its just strikes me as a subtle form of transphobia in culture not you per se.
I just read an article talking about how Superman was banned in fascist Spain because they thought he was gay: wearing bright colors, double identity, soft spoken, nice (A man being nice? Must be gay!), in an issue he wears an apron and cleans, etc. So you're not the first to make the comparison. Also, they didn't like that Louise Laine has a job, wears pants and sometimes tells Clarck what to do. They thought that makes her a lesbian
@@richardbruton1224that assumption is based on the fact that the vast majority of people are not transgender, as well as the fact that the character isnt trans in the comics.
@@jpineapple9495 Yes maybe that's the only way to reveal you are gay. Although, hmm I guess he should get consent from the man he kisses, maybe he'd have to ask them first. So maybe words are better.
To me that protect trans kids poster was about solidarity. There's a lot of that in this movie. Black and otherwise and to me it was just an Easter egg that tells kids who are going to see this movie that the creators and everybody else involved are with them
My kid is trans (like really trans, in actual Gender Affirming Care like certain political groups want to murder me for) and loved that there was the poster. It made them feel so validated that is real in the world and people do support them, and not like they are some sort of freak of nature.
You can say it meant whatever you want, but I have trouble believing a New York cop would have a trans pride flag on his uniform cause he's JUST that big an ally to trans people, without him having a trans relative. It begs the question, without the film directly stating it, what evidence could it have to say Gwen is trans that it doesn't already have? Does Gwen literally need to be seen stuffing a bottle of HRT pills into her back pack?
Whatever happened to teaching kids to love themselves for who they are? Now it's "If you're not happy with yourself, you should take steroids and have cosmetic surgery." Gender affirming care is the new conversion therapy.
@@jacthwakk8328 having someone to love you and support you through anything that you're going through that includes having someone there to give you life affirming care when you need. It is a part of helping you learn to love yourself. How do you love yourself if not allowed to be yourself and whatever form that comes
@@musicalriotgrl1 If a boy wants to be a girl or vice versa, the appropriate response is to help them love and accept themselves as themselves, not to "affirm" their dissatisfaction by helping them change into something they're not.
Very good video. I think your analysis is so extremely to the point. I would have found it very interesting how you related Spider-Punk because he is so blatantly and obviously against control from above. And that O’Hara clearly takes on fascist traits. There is only one truth, his truth and with it the freedom of the individual, in Miles' case, is taken as a violation of the absolute truth. Likewise, O'Hara simply assumes that his interpretation of the annihilation of the universe he was in is correct. To get back to Spider-point, he is constantly feeding Miles information so that Miles can go against the O'Hara system, but still do so voluntarily. Across the Spiderverse is a true gift of a good film.
Even though I’m Indian, therefore I should relate to Spider-Man Of India. I actually feel more comfortable with relating to Spider-Gwen than I do to other Spider-themed characters. Maybe it’s because like Ghost Spider, I’m oftentimes emotional, and I’m a rock fanatic who keeps distancing myself from other people after losing my friends (Although my friends are still alive.), and I also have Daddy Issues… like Gwen.
@@irinaiturri Yeah, it doesn’t matter what race you’re from, what matters is that you could relate to the characters in a personal level. I feel like that’s what most other Hollywood movies should do. Instead of just making the characters diverse for the sake of diversity, why not give them some characteristics and what the character likes and dislikes, so that we could relate to them or even like them.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios the diverse characters need to be better developed instead of used like tokens or as a tool of divisive marketing ( I really dislike race swapping)
The webs of the cannon events look a lot like a story cirlce. Miguel is a totalitarian creative ''producing'' protagonists to fight in his army. Also, I'm stuck on King Fucco as I watch this so I appreciate the Lies of P shoutout.
Can't tell you how refreshing it is see a philosophical take on things that's measured and balanced. I'm so used to algorithmic content that just pushes the most extreme views that conversations on any topics have become a powder keg. It genuinelly feels like people have lost the ability to have conversations with people they disagree with and immediately fall into demonising any difference of opinion.
Identity politics is the leftist theory coined by the Combahee River Collective in the 1970's that individuals are affected by systems through each aspect of their identity. Black lesbians are affected by sexism, homophobia, and racism and are likely going to be concerned about all three social pressures. And since all three have a negative influence on net worth under capitalism, in a system dictated by straight white men, they also tend to be affected by class politics as well. Identity politics is not the idea that every person is only their identity. That's just normal fascism. It's why the right-wing invented "identitarianism" in the 00's as a euphemism for white supremacist politics. Jared seems to be confusing the right-wing counter to identity politics as a two-way street -- a mistake common in an ahistorical analysis of identity politics. Unfortunately, a lot of people entered a media landscape where they learned from their centrist/right-wing parents what political terms mean and then try to apply them in good faith inaccurately. This leads to talking about a thing the way the people who hate people who talk about the thing talk about the thing, and that breaks the discourse. Well-meaning people can stumble into thinking identity politics, which is about forming cross-identity solidarity through identifying how groups should work together -- a black lesbian is likely going to be sympathetic to black people, gay people, and women and those three groups should be concerned with listening to black lesbians -- is another form of identitarianism when identitarianism exists solely to dismantle identity politics by reinforcing hierarchies that can split up identity groups in order to maintain current power imbalances. Identity politics finds all the people these systems don't work for and asks how to fix them. Identitarianism finds all the people these systems only work for and asks them to prevent anyone from changing them. I think it's reductive to say people are concerned with copaganda in ATSV because one cop is a good guy. I think it's more concerning to them because every cop is these two guys and they're both sympathetic. And while the context is unique to each cop and does a fair reading of how cops are problems because they're cops (see: Stacy deciding the only way he can be a good man is to stop being a cop), it is easy to miss that when a movie paints a cop mural to make a good cop look like Michael Brown -- who was killed by cops in that same city.
Thank you for the amazing analysis! I hope the third film interrogates Miles' current position as much as the second film, as you've broken down so eloquently, interrogated Miguel's. "Who Spider-Man is" or "who we are" isn't just defined by what he, or we, do the the world, but by both what we do to the world and what the world does to us right? We, as agents in a shared environment, are expressions of our environment. However, through our choices, we externalize ourselves onto our environment which then becomes an expression of us (it's a feedback loop). Our choices, while processed and enacted by us, are ultimately informed by our experiences provided by our environments, the information to which we are exposed. Miles' and Miguel's rejections of one another's perspective and approach to a problem highlights contradicting experiences given to them by their environments (the two have prioritized contradicting responsibilities as a result). To me, they represent two extremes: one that's fatalistic and another that asserts near absolute control over oneself and one's place in the world. Where Miguel surrenders himself "canon" and derives virtue from sacrifice and pain, Miles asserts his strength to himself and others while fearful of sacrifice and pain (he's trying to have his cake and eat it too per two cakes symbolism). Just my perspective and interpretation of the film.
I once stared into the darkness, and there I saw the monster's eyes; and though my sword was at its sharpest, my armor was compromised. I heard someone calling out my name, but they never could seem to find me because I was hiding in my pain, letting chains of tragedy define me. *sK*
I appreciate your videos. One note is that feedback naming copaganda within media is about how movies, tv shows, etc perpetuate this idea that there are good cops vs bad cops, when an important critique today is that policing as a whole is historically and systemically used as a tool for upholding racial hierarchies, classism, etc. We’re in an exciting era of imagining other ways of dealing with long-standing social issues that policing has failed to solve and it would’ve been thrilling for such a great movie with police characters to challenge the typical narrative that represents cops as heroes.
Don't bother, I feel like Jared while not bigoted and certainly not evil or anything, it gets more clear every video he wan't a sanitized entertainment that doesn't challenge him, i think its more due to his privilege than hate tho.
Cops are also historically good at wiping out organized crime. The population certainly wouldn't appreciate if the government went on to "imagine other ways" when crime is always a threat in every level. And I truly doubt a superhero movie can address this issue and also give a satisfying conclusion without getting preachy.
6:50 I think that having the poster with that line isn't saying "Gwen is trans" but it is trying to give trans kids a hero to look up to and empathize with. A similar, but more obvious, notion would be in Nimona. Nimona isn't a boy or girl. human or monster, just 'Nimona'. The other characters talk to Nimona and ask questions to try and figure out how to best relate.
That's the way my kid took it. That it could be either way, but they were happy and excited to support in the 'real' world, as in making it in to a movie, even if that movie is a fictional universe. I cannot tell you how positive of an impact that had on a trans teenager that has been struggling with feeling like the world hates them and wants to legislate them away and deny them healthcare and even basic safety or just a place to piss (which they deal with every day in school). The movie did an amazing job without having to even say anything.
@@Steven_Edwards Right on! I hate how shitty the world is, and it is all for no reason. I wish your daughter the best of luck, and I hope that she can leave peacefully in the long-term. My daughter gets accused of being trans despite the fact she isn't due to not meeting some arbitrary standards. The amount of cruel shit adults think is acceptable to say to children is monstrous. Despite this, I find that most people aren't hateful. It's a very small percentage of people that actually ruin it for everyone else. Anyways, all the best man. Stay safe out there.
@@Steven_Edwards For real as a gay kid growing up feeling shame about myself, I can't imagine what the trans youth of today deal with, atleast i could hide! Just seeing some of these comments are disgusting.
@@Steven_Edwards if theyh feel the world hates them, that's most certainly your fault. Also, it will be your fault if your children suffer from medical conditions in the future due to endocrinological disorders.
While I think this discussion is really interesting, I think it would be helpful to also acknowledge a more macroscopic view of popular opinion and refrain from exclusively using singular rage-bait articles and individual twitter complainers as evidence of a general outrage among the sociopolitically divided. No, I don’t think that progressives were really upset en masse that Miles’s father is depicted as a good person who is also a cop. I do agree that modern audiences tend to fall into a trap of believing that any singular depiction of a character paints with much broader representational brush strokes than it actually does, I don’t think the left, in general, believes having side characters who are cops and not monsters in this particular type of media is all that novel or harmful (being that in superhero stories, local police always play some sort of role, sometimes a helpful one). As for the right’s side of things, while I anecdotally saw a lot more outrage about the “protect trans kids” poster than any other controversy, I think the overwhelming acclaim the film garnered probably points to this being more of a vocal minority. Anyway, I love your conclusions about the role of responsibility in Miles’s story and how it evolves over the course of the two and eventually three movies. The piece about defining what it means to be Spider-Man based on “canon events” being a form of abdicating responsibility I thought was particularly cogent.
Honestly I have a ton of conservative friends and none of them had any problems with the movie. I think most of the outrange that comes from either side is primarily very small but loud factions on either side.
When you ask “why are these hot takes everywhere?”, it makes me immediately ask, “why don’t I see these hot takes that are everywhere?” Though the inverse question would be why are you seeing these hot takes? Makes me wonder if the media is filled with crap and you can find anything you want if you go looking for it.
Peter Parker : Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. He chose to be the best of himself. It's the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what's right. Be great Be yourself Be Spiderman
I find the message of the film incredible, because essentially the spider sociaety became a "death police" instead of doing the most GOOD they ca with every oportunity they can, they are focusing on assuring "whoever HAS to dye, dyes" in the nameof a WORSE BAD not happening. Basically refusing the call to action to stop evil that defines spider man. So eventually in the next film miles i believe miles will be the "uncle Ben moment" for the whole spider society. a kid from outside the canon resignfying the whole meaning on what it is to be a spider man. Much in the sense that a "accident" (spider getting out of the lab) was necessary to create a spider man. Also is a great meta commentary on the comic industry where the "industrialization" of comic formulas created a sort of "mediocrity pact" between writers and readers. Readers dont accept nothing out o canon (styfling creativity) and writers dont take risks to create meaningfull stories. Going against the whole "miles is not really a spiderman because his story doenst have this or that" nonsense. So now the "fluke" will not "rebel" or "destroy" the status quo... he will not turn into a "spiderhunter" he will show them how far they drifted from what they trully believe and are supposed to be as heroes. He will be the truest role model of a spider man ang give structure to a crumbling reality his predecessors created love this movie
When I watched the film I was waay more sympathetic to Miguel than I was to Miles. If you think about it Miguel has been in the position where Miles was. He chose to be spiderman in his own way which is why he found his family again. He knows pain and he wants to prevent it from happening to others. If he chose to do nothing and moved on like nothing happened than he is the one not being responsible. What Miles did isn't exactly difficult. It's naive. It's easy for him to say he'll be his own spiderman when he hasn't experienced the fallout of a Canon event like Miguel has. When people die even though they didn't have to because of something you did.
Unless he told his alternate counterpart's family who he was and what happened to the Miguel they knew, Miguel swooping in to take his place is... kinda iffy in my opinion.
The problem is Miguel is imposing his experience on everyone and is sure that what happened to him must happen to them. His attitude is like the people that don't want student loan forgiveness because they had to pay them in the past. He's right about having to make a choice and living with the consequences, he's not right about wanting everyone's uncle to die
Except we know he is wrong. Miguel's accusation of Miles are incoherent. Miles existence is proff Miguel's understanding of what collapsed the various universes is wrong. Their's even plenty of clues as to what's actually destroying the universes. Cannon events don't work as Miguel believes. Their is evidence in the movie that Canon Events don't exist at all. That opens up a whole nother can of worms.
It takes a lot to invest in the media and be there solely to be a detractor for minute things, like how they compared Peter Parker's loss of his aunt in his first game to Miles Morales's losing his friend. Or the fact Peter Parker is going on to pursue things he feels passionate about and letting Miles be the Spiderman in the second video game. I do not like everything I partake in, but I have to have an overlap of enjoyment to make me want to stay. Like how Disney dropped the ball on Nimona but Netflix got the bag.
Best Moments [Square brackets are my own thoughts] 12:08 we are nothing but the worst things that happen to us [ too harsh. language is too absolute] 12:23 To take pleasure in renunciation of happiness so that we can leane on it to define us [wow] Traumas stabilise our identities [ oh dear. paradoxical language. Trauma affects you badly. stabilise sounds like a good word = maintaining the current status] 13:25 We are free to decide. We can move past our past. Jean Paul-Sartre. [Wow. Top idea I learned today] 14:00 having a story might be seen as bad faith =choosing not to choose. Rather than defining ourselves by our actions, we outsource it to our past [This choice of phrasing is insightful. Absolutely tremendous vocabulary by Jared]
I think you mean well Jared, but it seems like you have issues with critical analysis of messaging in Art, where YOU deem it unnecessary. Im sorry, but as a Black man living in 2023 I am very critical (and supportive) of any entertaiment portrayls of Black characters and especially those portrayed as law enforcement. Its a cultural sensitivity that white people cant fully understand, no matter how "open minded" one may be. And the movie was 11/10
"This is why only fools are heroes, because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice... We are who we choose to be! Now choose!" -Green Goblin (2002)
If you want it to be it can and will be. The reality is my issue with it, is that it was not clearly stated in the title it’s a part 1 to 2 films, and I found out from an usher, 5 minutes before the title was shown, I want a full story or make it super clear to everyone it’s not gonna be a full movie in one sit. I had so much vitriolic thrown at me as if it was my fault that everyone knew, people kind of suck online.
"Can be read as trans" is actually fair. CAN be read is not 'IS trans'. Not definitively true, but if you ant to read it that way, it's not out of left field. A lot of trans kids are reading it that way and find it empowering, and I don't find a problem with that, nor am I gonna say it's baseless. I'm trans and that's not my read, but I get it. Feeling alone in a hostile world sucks, and the door is just ajar enough that the character *can* be read as trans. Good.
Jared, John Wayne had a particular ideology of what men should be and then relentlessly made movie propagating that ideology until it became standard This has happened many times over the century with many different actors, trying to make a certain type of masculine/ feminine popular I dont know why you are suprised. This is always how its been
Yeah it seems rather odd he seems so often annoyed that modern movies have messages or political themes, they always have, it seems he just doesn't like these paticular ones.
@@richardbruton1224 yeah, it is completely relatable to the size of this market, supply and demand wise. Totally. Also, it's not like we had at least four decades of relatable universal mesages prior to this new western cutural revolution every sane person is witnessing nowadays in any source of media. I don't know why I'm still baffled by the anacronysm perpetrated by extreme-leftists, which usually spent years of theirs lives to study (cherrypicked) history events.
@@Zerradable Im sorry Idk if you're a young guy or something, but you can take any bit of political commentary from todays "cultural revolution" and it's been commented on hundreds of times going back to the 60s which we're even more so politcal "supply and demand wise" whatever that matters for. Not to metion the 70s and 90s were both very abrasive to, only the 80s were milktoast enough for you. Should civil rights leaders of the 60s stopped because the white majority didn't care for their calls to equality? You are basically calling any movement that doesn't fit with the majority bad despite the legitimacy of said movement. Political messages don't have to be universal to be right, they don't have to placate you so you don't have to feel uncomfortable. But I would argue that infact these messages are universal, people want to be treated fairly despite their differences, they don't want to be otherized and have their livelyhoods threatened due to who they are. We aren't extreme for wanting equal rights for trans people, and if anything you are the one cherrypicking when you say that today is so much more different then past times when it comes to political messaging. If you have a problem with the messaging that trans people should be treated fairly, then just say that. Don't grandstand about too much politics when we see that you have no problem if the said messaging agrees with you.
@@Zerradable You're a minority group that wants fair treatment and not to be harassed, fired for your identity? SORRY the chart says there's not enough demand in the MARKET. Like how much more dystopian could your thinking be? It's always been this political sorry to say this to you kid, if everyone thought like you , if everyone thought like you slavery would of lasted till the 50s and segregation would still be around.
I didn't feel like Across the Spiderverse was a product of party at all. I don't think it depicted cops as too altruistic. It depicted aspirational versions of how we'd like cops to be. Ben Shapiro's rage at this was so dumb too. The idea of the movie being rage bait is just so silly. The "metaphor for capitalism" line was hilarious. It was just playing on the british punk stereotype for laughs. All the culture-warifying of this movie was so dumb. I like how Jared can critique Shapiro's nonsense without showing his dumbass take.
Spider-Verse isn’t really about policing in any way that is real-world relevant. Miles/Gwen having cops for parents is inherited from old comics & is really just giving them a job that keeps them relevant to super-heroics. There is no “Back the Blue even if they are murdering brown kids” message in this movie. It has Spider-Punk in it.
Great analysis on why the people saying “Why is art so political nowadays?” are just nitpicking and inflating those nitpicks to an absurd degree. The most political thing in this movie imo was the presence of a black leftist character, as TH-camr FD Signifier pointed out in an analysis he posted. It’s genuinely shocking that they would include a character like him and give him a significant role.
First time I came across this was objections to Dressed to Kill (1980). The line of "thinking" went something like: The killer in this movie is trans, therefore this movie is saying all trans people are killers.
That Gwen poster faux Paul reminded me of this gay dude on Twitter who declared that Superman in my adventures with Superman was a gay icon and represented queerness because he wore a pink shirt.
I believe what makes spiderman spiderman is what the world does to him, and how he overcome those tremendous pain, by using it to fuel his desire to be a better person and hero based on his perception of the people he couldn't save.
I don't agree with that at all. I definitely think Jared's departure was a significant loss for Wisecrack's voice (in many ways) but I don't think their content has gotten more politically biased. Teaching/explaining philosophy effectively is like writing a mystery novel. Done well, the class/audience is entertained enough to become invested, and just about pieces it all together on their own before you give the conclusion. Jared is very gifted and well practiced at speaking academically in lay terms. He'd make an excellent professor. Mike at Wisecrack is also good but his approach to explaining material lacks the same depth, which can make the audience feel like they're being led to an answer he prefers instead of being invited to contemplate it.
I think this whole video kinda sums up your stance on the culture wars, particularly your posture towards leftism. Scouring history (whether racial, social, or personal) to determine one's next action or opinion just doesn't work in a universe where everyone is condemned to be radically free. Personal responsibility will always take precedent over one's cultural background, and accepting that is a pretty big condemnation of a lot of leftist talking points. And this is coming from an avowed Bernie-for-pres leftist. Really good and compelling stuff here.
No one ever loses money upsetting conservatives. In fact, it's great free advertising (see: Captain Marvel and its billion dollar box office despite coming out in March to zero fanfare) so they very likely included the pro-transgender rights poster to provoke a pavlovian response from moronic conservatives and to evade charges of "Copaganda." It worked. I can only think of one copaganda article and a lot of conservative meltdowns. Meanwhile, the movie did pretty well at the box office. Making the cons made is always a good investment.
I feel like a conservative view would be to embrace the importance of the individual choice on how to act in the world, in choosing how to react in all encountered scenarios. This individualism otherwise champion by liberalism is tempered within the guiding principles of higher obligation to act in relation to natural law, divine revelation, and so on.
@@porridgeramen7220 Okay well underage kids and even babies in action shows is certainly one thing(like in the incredibles) but nonetheless that doesn't cross a social norm in the way that a pregnant woman fighting does.
The most egregious woke things for me are pregnant woman spider man and Peter B actively taking his baby into battle. What are these writers thinking?! That is the opposite of a responsible decision. Why would you willingly put your kid in harm's way? And for those who think "they're spider people. Nothing can hurt them", well that is conceited and also irresponsible.
Jared is not as rational and unbiased as he’d like you to believe. Centrists like Jared dismiss leftist criticisms all the time under the guise of being “fair”, “rational”, and “unbiased”. He may try to dismiss the accusation of this film having copaganda in it and blame the people making this accusation of “misinterpreting art” or whatever, but that doesn’t make it any less of a valid criticism of the movie, which isn’t to say it’s a bad movie, but it’s a movie that paints cops as heroes nonetheless. It’s not like this is the first superhero movie that’s been accused of doing this, so is it really that outlandish to say this movie did it too, inadvertently or not? Jared and centrists like him take their centrism to such absurd degrees that they’ll dismiss any leftist arguments or evidence, even when it is “irrational” to do so. I’m starting to get an idea of why Jared may have parted ways with Wisecrack…
she doesnt just have one trans flag on her wall, she has Two, also a power fist, engaging with the allegory in the films and extrapolating representation because people feel seen isnt some evil thing and I dont particularly like your framing around it tbh
It's not just with Spider-Man, I've noticed that both extreme parts of the political spectrum don't want the opposition's politics in movies, but both are perfectly fine with the politics they agree with being present in movies. Just imagine if, in the film, the police were portrayed as being corrupt and brutal and if Gwen had a Gadsden flag (Don't tread on me) hanging in her room. I gurantee you, both political extremes would still be outraged.
I wouldn't say that most serious people are taking on the position that the movie was incorrect to potray cops as good. I think the further left verions of people who do what you do are saying that "Here here and here are opportunities to tell the story as such so that people who are actively suffering from what is happening to them right this moment can get their message out." I don't think that the rational voices on the left are unaware of others portaying thier views in a more outrageous manor but because most people on the left say Spiderman was awesome and promote and hold up this movie as damn near a cultural masterpiece they are less concerned by the clickbaity claims like "This movie is copaganda" than some others kinda like how your headline "is across the spiderverse conservative rage bait?" Clickbaiting is not always bad, it can be necessary and quite clever. I appreciate your thorough articulation of your perspectives. I also would like to say that your overall analysis of the themes in the movie were superb! I was wildly entertained by your breakdown!
I'm so extremely happy I'm not American. When portraying everyday policemen as decent people with the best of society at their hart is controversial, you know your society is screwed. Where come from (Scandinavia), a policeman/woman who is _not_ reasonable decent would be an extreme rarity.
unfortunately in USA (and in Brazil too) the cops have such a dreaded reputation of brutalizing marginalized groups, corruption and much more In Brazil many cops or ex-corps create mafias known as "milícias" But certainly I disagree with discourses of "Defund the police" or anything aimed to get rid of police, because public security is very important
In fairness, there is no dogma or "leftist hierarchical authorities", discussing and critiquing art is in itself democratic. The voices of many and the binding into loose camps through mutual agreement. Just because you find a critique on some website, that does not mean - as you pointed out in reference to the depiction of good cops in the Spiderverse - that there is some mainline leftist atherance. And if there was, is that only the American one? Metatextual discussions of art are not just centered on the united states, but various diverse countries and milieus. Edit: it also makes it sound, and that might just be me hearing that out, like there is a culture war that is fought, in equal measures, on both sides of the political isle. Which is not true either.
Why not give the flag to miles instead? Why not have miles struggle with the dual identity narrative? Seems pretty obvious that it's intentionally hinting at her being trans. By this line of thinking, one could conclude that starship troopers is a wholesome ode to love, friendship, and leaving home to chart your own path.
For those that seemed to miss the point, go back and rewatch the part about a waiter playing a role. Then, recognize that this is pretty much how many trans people view their society assumed gender, even before they realize they are trans.
7:05 okay I've seen this movie more than once and you clearly did not actually watch the scene where she was coming out as a superhero literally the background turned into a watercolor pastiche of the trans pride flag play songs from Queen honestly it was one of the least subtle things I've ever seen in a movie
Honestly I have a ton of conservative friends and none of them had any problems with the movie. I think most of the outrange that comes from either side is primarily very small but loud factions on either side. Personally I think if your using languages like “Conservatives say this” or “Liberals are like that” then you’re just part of the group think hive mind of your choice.
@@thedukeofchutney468 So saying Conservatives or Liberals tend to say certain things or do certain things as a general trend or pattern means you're a "hive mind"? God i fucking hate you fence sitting centrist wierdos who can't handle any bit of uncomfortable political themes or messages (which have always existed you just dont like this cause it matters and is relevent and make you think and may challenge you )
@@thedukeofchutney468 Certainly I could have been more clear, but since I was pulling from the video title… It should still be obvious the comment is about “conservatives who are enraged by it.” Most culture war bullshit thankfully remains tied much closer to “spends too much time doomscrolling.”
I don’t think the copaganda criticism is entirely without merit. Spider-Man always operated outside the law but in support of it. The cops and newspapers have it out for Spider-Man, and all of that happened with a white Spider-Man. Now we have a black Spider-Man and a story that does it’s damnedest to portray the cops are the good guys with him. It doesn’t take into account the relationship that minorities have with the police, which while it isn’t monolithic, it isn’t as rosy as the film tends to portray it. Good video. That’s my add.
I disagree with miles story being hinted at with the trans flag. Miles did not choose to be spiderman and had to accept in the first movie and the point of the second movie is that he can be diferent and still being a spiderman. Whereas trans people don't accept the sex they are so they choose to claim to be the opposite one because they don't fit the social roles of theirs. Gender identity doesn't fight gender stereotypes, it reinforces them. I think someone in the team (or all the team maybe) wanted to insert their political ideas in the movie (there's also a blm pin on miles backpack), probably for rage baiting. I hope I explained my thoughts as clear as possible. I don't mean any hate but I do have some disagreement with gender theory. Despite that I thought your video was great.
Also I unironically think bringing up single articles as indications of broader social movements, is kind of cringey and seems like you're forcing a culture war narrative (from the left) where there is none. But there is active transphobia as seen alot in your comment section.
I’m not gay, trans, lgbt, nor do I outright support or dislike anyone who is. To me the “Protect Trans Kids” just made her a supporter and actually serves to enhance a few of the movies themes. IMO it’s not egregiously in my face so it doesn’t matter that much, it’s an Easter Egg.
It's not an Easter egg it's a dog whistle. "Protect Trans Kids" really means automatically affirming their gender identity even if there is a history of trauma and mental illness Gender dysphoria is never to be questioned, even by professionals. It also means giving children access to puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries.
the trans gwenda thing is probably the most cringe. when i heard the reaction this film. if people ever read the spider gwenda comics the art style/colors in her universe is the art from her comics.
Tangential barely related comment. Coco being about a magical immigration border was just uncomfortable for me as a latino who's dealt with very bad experiences regarding immigration injustices. The first Pixar Movie about Mexican culture could have used a different narrative device.
Huh, I never thought about it that way. Yeah that is kind of iffy isn't it ? Maybe they should've just made Something based on ancient mexican mythology or something like that. Something like emperor's new groove meets maya and the three but set in Mexico.
I won’t watch any animation that’s below 30fps base. It looks like shit. It goes in the same pile with Netflix godzilla and berserk 2016. Lots of potential wasted on a make or break aesthetic decision that they chose to take the hipster road with.
The concept reflects the limitless found in Marxism - from its comprehension of physics and biology to ethics - and conservatives are going to be sensitive to, and critical of, those ideological convictions.
Jared i think you're being a little obtuse on the trans thing, for one the producers probably woudln't put an explicit admission of Gwens being trans due to PC (funny how that works). But if we look at several clues it can be atleast reasonably argued, trans flag (idk why you brought up people in real life with trans flags, creators put things in movie maticulously and for usually a reason,) Also the color scheme and fairly convincing line that you said. Maybe she isn't, but idk why its seen as a problem that people may think she is, almost as if thinking she is trans is too much for peoples sensabilities, and the way you reacted to it maybe yours?
While the dialog is not unexpected, the confusion I see with a lot of people on this issue is the character of Gwen65 (ghost spider) is someone that has been around for many years & originated from a community that is a lot more knowledgable of the character & her motivations than any sudden mainstream awareness that has popped up recently. She's not empirically & historically trans, simply because it's already established many years ago she isn't. Nothing wrong with it if she was, btw. If her creators decide to retcon that in the future, no problem; it will be welcomed by that same community because if anyone has the right to decide that; it will be the writers writing her books, not people who are only just discovering her now. For anyone already familiar with Gwen65 prior to her popularity explosion from the spider verse films, she is a staunch supporter of any maginalized groups, and yes that absolutely includes the trans community which is why it is no surprise for anyone familiar with her, that she would have something like that on her walls in the film. That is textbook Gwen65. She, along with Peter & Miles & Cindy & Jess stand in 100% solidarity with them. Unquestionably. On the broader scope though - 'Solidarity' in her case I think is even more important in this context, and a little bit undervalued; Of course a trans person would support trans rights. For the most part that goes without saying. But non-trans people standing side by side with them? not only can that be unexpectedly encouraging, but it's a testament to people exhibiting the forgotten art of human decency, imo.
2:07 I think that quote is a very ill-informed take. The idea that our “fantasies” are devoid of our current mindset and political realities has never true
It's not bad but I agree cliffhangers are lazy and it shows you aren't confident in holding the viewer attention. You need a gimmicky hook for movie 3.
The problem with the “protect the trans kids” messaging is that it means the opposite of what it implies. We should be protecting children from the radical trans movement, but the poster wants to forfeit our children to that abusive political ideology.
That's very interesting, it would have been nice if the film spent more time developing the idea and less time celebrating stereotypes, look at Gwen's hair, of course they're trans, right?
Great analysis as always, Jared. It did not even occur to me that there was “copaganda” going on in this Spiderman film, but that obliviousness may reveal my own bias(es) here. I did not love the movie personally for a few reasons. First, the surrealistic visual/animation style-while interesting at times-was difficult for me to watch. My eyes were so stressed in the theater that I wondered if I was supposed to be wearing 3D glasses. Second, from the sorta conservative perspective, I felt that the scenes & characters that displayed pro-trans symbology just provide ammo for the ongoing culture war and it demonstrates how-speaking for the Ben Shapiro tribe-“Woke Hollywood” has an agenda to force feed our kids a narrative in an effort to normalize LGBT culture & representation. What I mean is I just find it distracting and frustrating when a franchise like Spiderman is used as a vehicle to push the diversity & representation agenda. Many of my favorite films have non-white & non-hetero actors and/or characters; but when a hispanic, a black, a female-black, and a quasi-emo-maybe-semi-trans-female (i.e. anything but white-male) are all depicted as different versions of Spiderman, it just detracts & distracts from the story and I believe it dilutes the historical significance and mythos of Spiderman. Am I wrong? I also found the “Uncle Aaron - Rest in Power” mural to be a mistake; drawing political lines in a film like this only alienates your audience-at least half of it anyway.
wow this is top tier analysis. I have been catching up on your channel and you have a real knack for weaving in philosophy into film analysis and somehow allowing me to understand both a lot better. Glad you're back!
"instead of recognizing the universal in the particular, we universalize the particular." such a perfect way to describe what the culture wars--both sides--tries to do to art; stripping it of its universal sentiment. i've been searching for a way of describing this idea for a long time now, so thank you for this gem of a phrase!
Though this may happen, I more often see a position, which makes universal picture from usual representation of group X in popculture. If, for example, scientists are almost always the villains, it also can help to change the mainstream view about them - which can actually be a problem.
@zmateneslunicko3928 but then you're blaming an individual movie for a bigger trend. Spiderverse touches on the unpopularity of cops, but it's not about them at all. It can't be about everything. And also Gwen's dad has a death grudge against his own daughter and shoots at her, that's not exactly great policing
@@santiagogarza8121 Yep, that is not a critique of that particular movie. I just think the usual position critiques a movie for falling into that trend, as a part of a problem.
So, for instance, if you don't like LGBT, you see it as a brainwash or whatever, because you see the trend of the topic in more and more movies and you may be afraid that it will become the new norm. Which may or may not be an issue, depending on the values you hold.
a lot of the culture war can be distilled to lack of media literacy and contextual awareness. These were things that were taught to kids my age (early 90s) yet somehow this has disappeared in the cultural consciousness.
Because everyone's attention span's have been shortened to the length of a tik tok short.
It's not the utterly reasonable take we deserve, but it's the one we need. Thanks Jared. 40k subs is nothing to sniff at, but it's not 1M either. Don't let that get you down. You have such a good voice, a solid viewpoint, that you may serve as a kind of neutron absorbing rod thrust into the fissile intercourse of the modern internet. The ones who only ever want more heat, more energy, more power, will not like or listen to you - but they are also the ones who would blow us all up without ever seeing it coming. So don't listen to them. Thanks.
Woah just woah
You literally describe in an amazing/spectacular/superior way what are the things that made Spiderman the Spiderman (responsability, choises, powers, love, good, diversity) in the last minutes of your video.
That was one of best analisys of Spiderman character that I have ever seen
Awesome video man.
G'damn Jared, how are you this good at voicing such an opinion? I suppose it's practice, practice, and more practice
Without saying that superheroes are LGBT+ allegories (because more often than not, they're not) I will say that I always found some of the struggles of being a superhero with a secret identity relatable to being in the closet and living a double life. Maybe Gwen is queer, maybe not, honestly it doesn't really matter imo, either way I felt really identified and understood by seeing how she struggles with not being accepted by her dad. Maybe sometimes we don't need the most obvious and literal interpretation of queerness to feel a connection. I get that it can be comforting to imagine that Gwen is queer and that's fine, I mean, it's not impossible either, but it bugs me when people treat it as a fact with so little to go by just because it makes them feel good.
Spider Gwen is my favorite superhero (not a shocker if you see my profile image lol), I've followed her from the very start of her solo run, I don't need her to be queer to think she's awesome. In my book, the fact that she supports trans rights is good no matter if she herself is trans or not.
. Not saying you're bigoted or something like that but I feel like we wouldn't have any problem if we were to assume she's not for a fact, its just strikes me as a subtle form of transphobia in culture not you per se.
I just read an article talking about how Superman was banned in fascist Spain because they thought he was gay: wearing bright colors, double identity, soft spoken, nice (A man being nice? Must be gay!), in an issue he wears an apron and cleans, etc. So you're not the first to make the comparison.
Also, they didn't like that Louise Laine has a job, wears pants and sometimes tells Clarck what to do. They thought that makes her a lesbian
Isn't it something Gwen or anyone else should explicitly reveal rather than something people should infer or assume?
@@richardbruton1224that assumption is based on the fact that the vast majority of people are not transgender, as well as the fact that the character isnt trans in the comics.
@@jpineapple9495 Yes maybe that's the only way to reveal you are gay. Although, hmm I guess he should get consent from the man he kisses, maybe he'd have to ask them first. So maybe words are better.
To me that protect trans kids poster was about solidarity. There's a lot of that in this movie. Black and otherwise and to me it was just an Easter egg that tells kids who are going to see this movie that the creators and everybody else involved are with them
My kid is trans (like really trans, in actual Gender Affirming Care like certain political groups want to murder me for) and loved that there was the poster.
It made them feel so validated that is real in the world and people do support them, and not like they are some sort of freak of nature.
You can say it meant whatever you want, but I have trouble believing a New York cop would have a trans pride flag on his uniform cause he's JUST that big an ally to trans people, without him having a trans relative. It begs the question, without the film directly stating it, what evidence could it have to say Gwen is trans that it doesn't already have? Does Gwen literally need to be seen stuffing a bottle of HRT pills into her back pack?
Whatever happened to teaching kids to love themselves for who they are? Now it's "If you're not happy with yourself, you should take steroids and have cosmetic surgery." Gender affirming care is the new conversion therapy.
@@jacthwakk8328 having someone to love you and support you through anything that you're going through that includes having someone there to give you life affirming care when you need. It is a part of helping you learn to love yourself. How do you love yourself if not allowed to be yourself and whatever form that comes
@@musicalriotgrl1 If a boy wants to be a girl or vice versa, the appropriate response is to help them love and accept themselves as themselves, not to "affirm" their dissatisfaction by helping them change into something they're not.
Very good video. I think your analysis is so extremely to the point.
I would have found it very interesting how you related Spider-Punk because he is so blatantly and obviously against control from above. And that O’Hara clearly takes on fascist traits. There is only one truth, his truth and with it the freedom of the individual, in Miles' case, is taken as a violation of the absolute truth. Likewise, O'Hara simply assumes that his interpretation of the annihilation of the universe he was in is correct.
To get back to Spider-point, he is constantly feeding Miles information so that Miles can go against the O'Hara system, but still do so voluntarily.
Across the Spiderverse is a true gift of a good film.
"What makes a man a man? Is it the woman in his arms?... it's it his quest for glory? " -DVDA
Even though I’m Indian, therefore I should relate to Spider-Man Of India. I actually feel more comfortable with relating to Spider-Gwen than I do to other Spider-themed characters. Maybe it’s because like Ghost Spider, I’m oftentimes emotional, and I’m a rock fanatic who keeps distancing myself from other people after losing my friends (Although my friends are still alive.), and I also have Daddy Issues… like Gwen.
And other people that not from India or don't have indian ancestry could relate in some ways to Spiderman of India
@@irinaiturri Yeah, it doesn’t matter what race you’re from, what matters is that you could relate to the characters in a personal level.
I feel like that’s what most other Hollywood movies should do. Instead of just making the characters diverse for the sake of diversity, why not give them some characteristics and what the character likes and dislikes, so that we could relate to them or even like them.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios the diverse characters need to be better developed instead of used like tokens or as a tool of divisive marketing ( I really dislike race swapping)
The webs of the cannon events look a lot like a story cirlce. Miguel is a totalitarian creative ''producing'' protagonists to fight in his army.
Also, I'm stuck on King Fucco as I watch this so I appreciate the Lies of P shoutout.
I didn't know Jared was making videos like this again. Stoked to catch up and see more.
Great piece by Jared about the issue of evading responsibility which is the central theme and major conflict of the movie. 11:58 - 15:04
Can't tell you how refreshing it is see a philosophical take on things that's measured and balanced. I'm so used to algorithmic content that just pushes the most extreme views that conversations on any topics have become a powder keg.
It genuinelly feels like people have lost the ability to have conversations with people they disagree with and immediately fall into demonising any difference of opinion.
Identity politics is the leftist theory coined by the Combahee River Collective in the 1970's that individuals are affected by systems through each aspect of their identity. Black lesbians are affected by sexism, homophobia, and racism and are likely going to be concerned about all three social pressures. And since all three have a negative influence on net worth under capitalism, in a system dictated by straight white men, they also tend to be affected by class politics as well.
Identity politics is not the idea that every person is only their identity. That's just normal fascism. It's why the right-wing invented "identitarianism" in the 00's as a euphemism for white supremacist politics. Jared seems to be confusing the right-wing counter to identity politics as a two-way street -- a mistake common in an ahistorical analysis of identity politics.
Unfortunately, a lot of people entered a media landscape where they learned from their centrist/right-wing parents what political terms mean and then try to apply them in good faith inaccurately. This leads to talking about a thing the way the people who hate people who talk about the thing talk about the thing, and that breaks the discourse.
Well-meaning people can stumble into thinking identity politics, which is about forming cross-identity solidarity through identifying how groups should work together -- a black lesbian is likely going to be sympathetic to black people, gay people, and women and those three groups should be concerned with listening to black lesbians -- is another form of identitarianism when identitarianism exists solely to dismantle identity politics by reinforcing hierarchies that can split up identity groups in order to maintain current power imbalances.
Identity politics finds all the people these systems don't work for and asks how to fix them. Identitarianism finds all the people these systems only work for and asks them to prevent anyone from changing them.
I think it's reductive to say people are concerned with copaganda in ATSV because one cop is a good guy. I think it's more concerning to them because every cop is these two guys and they're both sympathetic. And while the context is unique to each cop and does a fair reading of how cops are problems because they're cops (see: Stacy deciding the only way he can be a good man is to stop being a cop), it is easy to miss that when a movie paints a cop mural to make a good cop look like Michael Brown -- who was killed by cops in that same city.
Thank you for the amazing analysis! I hope the third film interrogates Miles' current position as much as the second film, as you've broken down so eloquently, interrogated Miguel's. "Who Spider-Man is" or "who we are" isn't just defined by what he, or we, do the the world, but by both what we do to the world and what the world does to us right? We, as agents in a shared environment, are expressions of our environment. However, through our choices, we externalize ourselves onto our environment which then becomes an expression of us (it's a feedback loop). Our choices, while processed and enacted by us, are ultimately informed by our experiences provided by our environments, the information to which we are exposed. Miles' and Miguel's rejections of one another's perspective and approach to a problem highlights contradicting experiences given to them by their environments (the two have prioritized contradicting responsibilities as a result). To me, they represent two extremes: one that's fatalistic and another that asserts near absolute control over oneself and one's place in the world. Where Miguel surrenders himself "canon" and derives virtue from sacrifice and pain, Miles asserts his strength to himself and others while fearful of sacrifice and pain (he's trying to have his cake and eat it too per two cakes symbolism). Just my perspective and interpretation of the film.
I once stared into the darkness, and there I saw the monster's eyes;
and though my sword was at its sharpest,
my armor was compromised.
I heard someone calling out my name,
but they never could seem to find me
because I was hiding in my pain,
letting chains of tragedy define me.
*sK*
I appreciate your videos. One note is that feedback naming copaganda within media is about how movies, tv shows, etc perpetuate this idea that there are good cops vs bad cops, when an important critique today is that policing as a whole is historically and systemically used as a tool for upholding racial hierarchies, classism, etc. We’re in an exciting era of imagining other ways of dealing with long-standing social issues that policing has failed to solve and it would’ve been thrilling for such a great movie with police characters to challenge the typical narrative that represents cops as heroes.
Don't bother, I feel like Jared while not bigoted and certainly not evil or anything, it gets more clear every video he wan't a sanitized entertainment that doesn't challenge him, i think its more due to his privilege than hate tho.
Cops are also historically good at wiping out organized crime. The population certainly wouldn't appreciate if the government went on to "imagine other ways" when crime is always a threat in every level. And I truly doubt a superhero movie can address this issue and also give a satisfying conclusion without getting preachy.
@@toostronk2088it is definitely more complex than "good and evi" cops... dare I say... beyond good and evil
6:50
I think that having the poster with that line isn't saying "Gwen is trans" but it is trying to give trans kids a hero to look up to and empathize with. A similar, but more obvious, notion would be in Nimona. Nimona isn't a boy or girl. human or monster, just 'Nimona'. The other characters talk to Nimona and ask questions to try and figure out how to best relate.
That's the way my kid took it. That it could be either way, but they were happy and excited to support in the 'real' world, as in making it in to a movie, even if that movie is a fictional universe.
I cannot tell you how positive of an impact that had on a trans teenager that has been struggling with feeling like the world hates them and wants to legislate them away and deny them healthcare and even basic safety or just a place to piss (which they deal with every day in school).
The movie did an amazing job without having to even say anything.
@@Steven_Edwards Right on! I hate how shitty the world is, and it is all for no reason. I wish your daughter the best of luck, and I hope that she can leave peacefully in the long-term. My daughter gets accused of being trans despite the fact she isn't due to not meeting some arbitrary standards. The amount of cruel shit adults think is acceptable to say to children is monstrous. Despite this, I find that most people aren't hateful. It's a very small percentage of people that actually ruin it for everyone else.
Anyways, all the best man. Stay safe out there.
@@Steven_Edwards For real as a gay kid growing up feeling shame about myself, I can't imagine what the trans youth of today deal with, atleast i could hide! Just seeing some of these comments are disgusting.
@@MySqueezingArm you just called it a her. Hilarious 😂
@@Steven_Edwards if theyh feel the world hates them, that's most certainly your fault. Also, it will be your fault if your children suffer from medical conditions in the future due to endocrinological disorders.
0:42 "tedious rage harvesting" is a phrase I need to use more
While I think this discussion is really interesting, I think it would be helpful to also acknowledge a more macroscopic view of popular opinion and refrain from exclusively using singular rage-bait articles and individual twitter complainers as evidence of a general outrage among the sociopolitically divided.
No, I don’t think that progressives were really upset en masse that Miles’s father is depicted as a good person who is also a cop. I do agree that modern audiences tend to fall into a trap of believing that any singular depiction of a character paints with much broader representational brush strokes than it actually does, I don’t think the left, in general, believes having side characters who are cops and not monsters in this particular type of media is all that novel or harmful (being that in superhero stories, local police always play some sort of role, sometimes a helpful one).
As for the right’s side of things, while I anecdotally saw a lot more outrage about the “protect trans kids” poster than any other controversy, I think the overwhelming acclaim the film garnered probably points to this being more of a vocal minority.
Anyway, I love your conclusions about the role of responsibility in Miles’s story and how it evolves over the course of the two and eventually three movies. The piece about defining what it means to be Spider-Man based on “canon events” being a form of abdicating responsibility I thought was particularly cogent.
Honestly I have a ton of conservative friends and none of them had any problems with the movie. I think most of the outrange that comes from either side is primarily very small but loud factions on either side.
When you ask “why are these hot takes everywhere?”, it makes me immediately ask, “why don’t I see these hot takes that are everywhere?” Though the inverse question would be why are you seeing these hot takes? Makes me wonder if the media is filled with crap and you can find anything you want if you go looking for it.
Peter Parker : Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. He chose to be the best of himself. It's the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what's right.
Be great
Be yourself
Be Spiderman
*Spider-Man
I find the message of the film incredible, because essentially the spider sociaety became a "death police" instead of doing the most GOOD they ca with every oportunity they can, they are focusing on assuring "whoever HAS to dye, dyes" in the nameof a WORSE BAD not happening. Basically refusing the call to action to stop evil that defines spider man.
So eventually in the next film miles i believe miles will be the "uncle Ben moment" for the whole spider society. a kid from outside the canon resignfying the whole meaning on what it is to be a spider man. Much in the sense that a "accident" (spider getting out of the lab) was necessary to create a spider man.
Also is a great meta commentary on the comic industry where the "industrialization" of comic formulas created a sort of "mediocrity pact" between writers and readers. Readers dont accept nothing out o canon (styfling creativity) and writers dont take risks to create meaningfull stories. Going against the whole "miles is not really a spiderman because his story doenst have this or that" nonsense.
So now the "fluke" will not "rebel" or "destroy" the status quo... he will not turn into a "spiderhunter" he will show them how far they drifted from what they trully believe and are supposed to be as heroes. He will be the truest role model of a spider man ang give structure to a crumbling reality his predecessors created
love this movie
When I watched the film I was waay more sympathetic to Miguel than I was to Miles. If you think about it Miguel has been in the position where Miles was. He chose to be spiderman in his own way which is why he found his family again. He knows pain and he wants to prevent it from happening to others. If he chose to do nothing and moved on like nothing happened than he is the one not being responsible.
What Miles did isn't exactly difficult. It's naive. It's easy for him to say he'll be his own spiderman when he hasn't experienced the fallout of a Canon event like Miguel has. When people die even though they didn't have to because of something you did.
You make a great point tbh
Unless he told his alternate counterpart's family who he was and what happened to the Miguel they knew, Miguel swooping in to take his place is... kinda iffy in my opinion.
The problem is Miguel is imposing his experience on everyone and is sure that what happened to him must happen to them. His attitude is like the people that don't want student loan forgiveness because they had to pay them in the past. He's right about having to make a choice and living with the consequences, he's not right about wanting everyone's uncle to die
Except we know he is wrong.
Miguel's accusation of Miles are incoherent. Miles existence is proff Miguel's understanding of what collapsed the various universes is wrong.
Their's even plenty of clues as to what's actually destroying the universes.
Cannon events don't work as Miguel believes. Their is evidence in the movie that Canon Events don't exist at all.
That opens up a whole nother can of worms.
the words from articles especially that of the daily dot ring incredibly hallow
Yet some people swear that our paths and destiny is pre determined and there's no point in having free will and I'm like that's dumb.
It comforts some people to think life is pre determined and others like to think it's not. No need to call them out.
It takes a lot to invest in the media and be there solely to be a detractor for minute things, like how they compared Peter Parker's loss of his aunt in his first game to Miles Morales's losing his friend. Or the fact Peter Parker is going on to pursue things he feels passionate about and letting Miles be the Spiderman in the second video game. I do not like everything I partake in, but I have to have an overlap of enjoyment to make me want to stay. Like how Disney dropped the ball on Nimona but Netflix got the bag.
Best Moments [Square brackets are my own thoughts]
12:08 we are nothing but the worst things that happen to us [ too harsh. language is too absolute]
12:23 To take pleasure in renunciation of happiness so that we can leane on it to define us [wow]
Traumas stabilise our identities
[ oh dear. paradoxical language. Trauma affects you badly. stabilise sounds like a good word = maintaining the current status]
13:25 We are free to decide. We can move past our past. Jean Paul-Sartre. [Wow. Top idea I learned today]
14:00 having a story might be seen as bad faith =choosing not to choose.
Rather than defining ourselves by our actions, we outsource it to our past
[This choice of phrasing is insightful. Absolutely tremendous vocabulary by Jared]
Miles’ school is a public school. He tested into it. His fathers isn’t paying for it.
Crap, dude, I think you may have just taught me something
I think you mean well Jared, but it seems like you have issues with critical analysis of messaging in Art, where YOU deem it unnecessary.
Im sorry, but as a Black man living in 2023 I am very critical (and supportive) of any entertaiment portrayls of Black characters and especially those portrayed as law enforcement.
Its a cultural sensitivity that white people cant fully understand, no matter how "open minded" one may be.
And the movie was 11/10
Can anyone give me the cliff notes on why Jared left Wisecrack? Please!
Honestly have no idea.
"This is why only fools are heroes, because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice... We are who we choose to be! Now choose!" -Green Goblin (2002)
"Your the best of all of us miles your on your way just keep going" uncle aaron
You bear a striking resemblance to Faramir from Peter Jacksons The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
If you want it to be it can and will be.
The reality is my issue with it, is that it was not clearly stated in the title it’s a part 1 to 2 films, and I found out from an usher, 5 minutes before the title was shown, I want a full story or make it super clear to everyone it’s not gonna be a full movie in one sit.
I had so much vitriolic thrown at me as if it was my fault that everyone knew, people kind of suck online.
"Can be read as trans" is actually fair. CAN be read is not 'IS trans'. Not definitively true, but if you ant to read it that way, it's not out of left field. A lot of trans kids are reading it that way and find it empowering, and I don't find a problem with that, nor am I gonna say it's baseless. I'm trans and that's not my read, but I get it. Feeling alone in a hostile world sucks, and the door is just ajar enough that the character *can* be read as trans. Good.
Jared, John Wayne had a particular ideology of what men should be and then relentlessly made movie propagating that ideology until it became standard
This has happened many times over the century with many different actors, trying to make a certain type of masculine/ feminine popular
I dont know why you are suprised. This is always how its been
Yeah it seems rather odd he seems so often annoyed that modern movies have messages or political themes, they always have, it seems he just doesn't like these paticular ones.
@@richardbruton1224 yeah, it is completely relatable to the size of this market, supply and demand wise. Totally. Also, it's not like we had at least four decades of relatable universal mesages prior to this new western cutural revolution every sane person is witnessing nowadays in any source of media.
I don't know why I'm still baffled by the anacronysm perpetrated by extreme-leftists, which usually spent years of theirs lives to study (cherrypicked) history events.
@@Zerradable Im sorry Idk if you're a young guy or something, but you can take any bit of political commentary from todays "cultural revolution" and it's been commented on hundreds of times going back to the 60s which we're even more so politcal "supply and demand wise" whatever that matters for. Not to metion the 70s and 90s were both very abrasive to, only the 80s were milktoast enough for you. Should civil rights leaders of the 60s stopped because the white majority didn't care for their calls to equality? You are basically calling any movement that doesn't fit with the majority bad despite the legitimacy of said movement. Political messages don't have to be universal to be right, they don't have to placate you so you don't have to feel uncomfortable. But I would argue that infact these messages are universal, people want to be treated fairly despite their differences, they don't want to be otherized and have their livelyhoods threatened due to who they are. We aren't extreme for wanting equal rights for trans people, and if anything you are the one cherrypicking when you say that today is so much more different then past times when it comes to political messaging. If you have a problem with the messaging that trans people should be treated fairly, then just say that. Don't grandstand about too much politics when we see that you have no problem if the said messaging agrees with you.
@@Zerradable You're a minority group that wants fair treatment and not to be harassed, fired for your identity? SORRY the chart says there's not enough demand in the MARKET. Like how much more dystopian could your thinking be? It's always been this political sorry to say this to you kid, if everyone thought like you , if everyone thought like you slavery would of lasted till the 50s and segregation would still be around.
I didn't feel like Across the Spiderverse was a product of party at all. I don't think it depicted cops as too altruistic. It depicted aspirational versions of how we'd like cops to be.
Ben Shapiro's rage at this was so dumb too. The idea of the movie being rage bait is just so silly. The "metaphor for capitalism" line was hilarious. It was just playing on the british punk stereotype for laughs. All the culture-warifying of this movie was so dumb.
I like how Jared can critique Shapiro's nonsense without showing his dumbass take.
Spider-Verse isn’t really about policing in any way that is real-world relevant. Miles/Gwen having cops for parents is inherited from old comics & is really just giving them a job that keeps them relevant to super-heroics. There is no “Back the Blue even if they are murdering brown kids” message in this movie. It has Spider-Punk in it.
Now I want to see what Jared has to say about the new movie Bottoms or the new Wes Anderson Netflix shorts.
Miguel and Spot holding into previously established roles/archtypee makes way too much sense.
Great analysis on why the people saying “Why is art so political nowadays?” are just nitpicking and inflating those nitpicks to an absurd degree. The most political thing in this movie imo was the presence of a black leftist character, as TH-camr FD Signifier pointed out in an analysis he posted. It’s genuinely shocking that they would include a character like him and give him a significant role.
Are you delusional? Fentanyl?
thanks for your take. really appreciate it feels like it has much more sanity and balanced.
Is Prowler Miles confirmed to be a villain? I felt like that was ambiguous.
Is Uncle Aaron's (Prowler's) death not Miles own canon event? Why did they want to extend it to the father again?
Cause he's a cop. Cops are bad. They aren't even in new spiderman game.
They say in every universe an uncle and captain dies. Pretty stupid tbh but that's what they are going with.
First time I came across this was objections to Dressed to Kill (1980). The line of "thinking" went something like:
The killer in this movie is trans, therefore this movie is saying all trans people are killers.
best reading of the movie. Thank
Jared Bauer undefeated
That Gwen poster faux Paul reminded me of this gay dude on Twitter who declared that Superman in my adventures with Superman was a gay icon and represented queerness because he wore a pink shirt.
It’s funny to me that an anti cop film is being read as Copaganda
I believe what makes spiderman spiderman is what the world does to him, and how he overcome those tremendous pain, by using it to fuel his desire to be a better person and hero based on his perception of the people he couldn't save.
Jared leaving wisecrack truely gutted it’s level headedness.
Can you elaborate? Do you think wisecrack is leaning too much in a certain direction?
@@HanmaHeiro The admin of Jared's discord blames 'the left' for cancelling Jared I guess, so more right leaning fans are supported.
Jared is absolutely not the beacon of level headesness. His own proccupations and an ieties run deep in his content
I don't agree with that at all. I definitely think Jared's departure was a significant loss for Wisecrack's voice (in many ways) but I don't think their content has gotten more politically biased.
Teaching/explaining philosophy effectively is like writing a mystery novel. Done well, the class/audience is entertained enough to become invested, and just about pieces it all together on their own before you give the conclusion. Jared is very gifted and well practiced at speaking academically in lay terms. He'd make an excellent professor.
Mike at Wisecrack is also good but his approach to explaining material lacks the same depth, which can make the audience feel like they're being led to an answer he prefers instead of being invited to contemplate it.
Yes sure but Jared is still pretty left wing it's just how hew says his message compared to them.
I think this whole video kinda sums up your stance on the culture wars, particularly your posture towards leftism. Scouring history (whether racial, social, or personal) to determine one's next action or opinion just doesn't work in a universe where everyone is condemned to be radically free. Personal responsibility will always take precedent over one's cultural background, and accepting that is a pretty big condemnation of a lot of leftist talking points. And this is coming from an avowed Bernie-for-pres leftist. Really good and compelling stuff here.
I thought it was the most message intensive thing I’d ever seen
I was honestly enjoying this movie so much that the last thing I was thinking was about politics.
hittem with that hegel goodness
No one ever loses money upsetting conservatives. In fact, it's great free advertising (see: Captain Marvel and its billion dollar box office despite coming out in March to zero fanfare) so they very likely included the pro-transgender rights poster to provoke a pavlovian response from moronic conservatives and to evade charges of "Copaganda." It worked. I can only think of one copaganda article and a lot of conservative meltdowns. Meanwhile, the movie did pretty well at the box office. Making the cons made is always a good investment.
I feel like a conservative view would be to embrace the importance of the individual choice on how to act in the world, in choosing how to react in all encountered scenarios. This individualism otherwise champion by liberalism is tempered within the guiding principles of higher obligation to act in relation to natural law, divine revelation, and so on.
The pregnant spiderwoman still fighting crime is a bit much you have to admit.
There's a literal spider-baby in the chase scene so uhh cant really say it crossed my mind
Yeah that's gonna be a miscarriage for sure.
@@porridgeramen7220 Okay well underage kids and even babies in action shows is certainly one thing(like in the incredibles) but nonetheless that doesn't cross a social norm in the way that a pregnant woman fighting does.
The most egregious woke things for me are pregnant woman spider man and Peter B actively taking his baby into battle. What are these writers thinking?! That is the opposite of a responsible decision. Why would you willingly put your kid in harm's way? And for those who think "they're spider people. Nothing can hurt them", well that is conceited and also irresponsible.
Jared is not as rational and unbiased as he’d like you to believe. Centrists like Jared dismiss leftist criticisms all the time under the guise of being “fair”, “rational”, and “unbiased”.
He may try to dismiss the accusation of this film having copaganda in it and blame the people making this accusation of “misinterpreting art” or whatever, but that doesn’t make it any less of a valid criticism of the movie, which isn’t to say it’s a bad movie, but it’s a movie that paints cops as heroes nonetheless.
It’s not like this is the first superhero movie that’s been accused of doing this, so is it really that outlandish to say this movie did it too, inadvertently or not?
Jared and centrists like him take their centrism to such absurd degrees that they’ll dismiss any leftist arguments or evidence, even when it is “irrational” to do so.
I’m starting to get an idea of why Jared may have parted ways with Wisecrack…
she doesnt just have one trans flag on her wall, she has Two, also a power fist, engaging with the allegory in the films and extrapolating representation because people feel seen isnt some evil thing and I dont particularly like your framing around it tbh
It's not just with Spider-Man, I've noticed that both extreme parts of the political spectrum don't want the opposition's politics in movies, but both are perfectly fine with the politics they agree with being present in movies.
Just imagine if, in the film, the police were portrayed as being corrupt and brutal and if Gwen had a Gadsden flag (Don't tread on me) hanging in her room. I gurantee you, both political extremes would still be outraged.
I wouldn't say that most serious people are taking on the position that the movie was incorrect to potray cops as good. I think the further left verions of people who do what you do are saying that "Here here and here are opportunities to tell the story as such so that people who are actively suffering from what is happening to them right this moment can get their message out." I don't think that the rational voices on the left are unaware of others portaying thier views in a more outrageous manor but because most people on the left say Spiderman was awesome and promote and hold up this movie as damn near a cultural masterpiece they are less concerned by the clickbaity claims like "This movie is copaganda" than some others kinda like how your headline "is across the spiderverse conservative rage bait?" Clickbaiting is not always bad, it can be necessary and quite clever.
I appreciate your thorough articulation of your perspectives. I also would like to say that your overall analysis of the themes in the movie were superb! I was wildly entertained by your breakdown!
I'm so extremely happy I'm not American. When portraying everyday policemen as decent people with the best of society at their hart is controversial, you know your society is screwed. Where come from (Scandinavia), a policeman/woman who is _not_ reasonable decent would be an extreme rarity.
unfortunately in USA (and in Brazil too) the cops have such a dreaded reputation of brutalizing marginalized groups, corruption and much more
In Brazil many cops or ex-corps create mafias known as "milícias"
But certainly I disagree with discourses of "Defund the police" or anything aimed to get rid of police, because public security is very important
In fairness, there is no dogma or "leftist hierarchical authorities", discussing and critiquing art is in itself democratic. The voices of many and the binding into loose camps through mutual agreement. Just because you find a critique on some website, that does not mean - as you pointed out in reference to the depiction of good cops in the Spiderverse - that there is some mainline leftist atherance. And if there was, is that only the American one? Metatextual discussions of art are not just centered on the united states, but various diverse countries and milieus.
Edit: it also makes it sound, and that might just be me hearing that out, like there is a culture war that is fought, in equal measures, on both sides of the political isle. Which is not true either.
Why not give the flag to miles instead? Why not have miles struggle with the dual identity narrative? Seems pretty obvious that it's intentionally hinting at her being trans. By this line of thinking, one could conclude that starship troopers is a wholesome ode to love, friendship, and leaving home to chart your own path.
For those that seemed to miss the point, go back and rewatch the part about a waiter playing a role. Then, recognize that this is pretty much how many trans people view their society assumed gender, even before they realize they are trans.
Always insightful. Thanks!
7:05 okay I've seen this movie more than once and you clearly did not actually watch the scene where she was coming out as a superhero literally the background turned into a watercolor pastiche of the trans pride flag play songs from Queen honestly it was one of the least subtle things I've ever seen in a movie
Well considering that 2 of the main characters are cops we sympathise with…
As a conservative I really hope they do "some" justice to Miguel's side , but all in all this series has been a banger !!
If conservatives are enraged then perhaps they need to……..look inwards.
Honestly I have a ton of conservative friends and none of them had any problems with the movie. I think most of the outrange that comes from either side is primarily very small but loud factions on either side. Personally I think if your using languages like “Conservatives say this” or “Liberals are like that” then you’re just part of the group think hive mind of your choice.
@@thedukeofchutney468 So saying Conservatives or Liberals tend to say certain things or do certain things as a general trend or pattern means you're a "hive mind"? God i fucking hate you fence sitting centrist wierdos who can't handle any bit of uncomfortable political themes or messages (which have always existed you just dont like this cause it matters and is relevent and make you think and may challenge you )
@@thedukeofchutney468 Certainly I could have been more clear, but since I was pulling from the video title…
It should still be obvious the comment is about “conservatives who are enraged by it.”
Most culture war bullshit thankfully remains tied much closer to “spends too much time doomscrolling.”
@cthellis Ahhh, gotcha. Agreed. The terms “Culture War” and “terminally online” are both becoming increasingly synonymous in my opinion.
I don’t think the copaganda criticism is entirely without merit. Spider-Man always operated outside the law but in support of it. The cops and newspapers have it out for Spider-Man, and all of that happened with a white Spider-Man. Now we have a black Spider-Man and a story that does it’s damnedest to portray the cops are the good guys with him. It doesn’t take into account the relationship that minorities have with the police, which while it isn’t monolithic, it isn’t as rosy as the film tends to portray it. Good video. That’s my add.
I've never considered it could be "rage bait" for anyone. I loved this movie, it was great.
Conservatives rage at everything.
Peak TH-cam right here.
This was really good analysis.
I disagree with miles story being hinted at with the trans flag.
Miles did not choose to be spiderman and had to accept in the first movie and the point of the second movie is that he can be diferent and still being a spiderman.
Whereas trans people don't accept the sex they are so they choose to claim to be the opposite one because they don't fit the social roles of theirs.
Gender identity doesn't fight gender stereotypes, it reinforces them.
I think someone in the team (or all the team maybe) wanted to insert their political ideas in the movie (there's also a blm pin on miles backpack), probably for rage baiting.
I hope I explained my thoughts as clear as possible. I don't mean any hate but I do have some disagreement with gender theory.
Despite that I thought your video was great.
Also I unironically think bringing up single articles as indications of broader social movements, is kind of cringey and seems like you're forcing a culture war narrative (from the left) where there is none. But there is active transphobia as seen alot in your comment section.
I’m not gay, trans, lgbt, nor do I outright support or dislike anyone who is. To me the “Protect Trans Kids” just made her a supporter and actually serves to enhance a few of the movies themes. IMO it’s not egregiously in my face so it doesn’t matter that much, it’s an Easter Egg.
It's not an Easter egg it's a dog whistle. "Protect Trans Kids" really means automatically affirming their gender identity even if there is a history of trauma and mental illness Gender dysphoria is never to be questioned, even by professionals. It also means giving children access to puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries.
@@mjwbulichGood for you, you’ve got an opinion. Freedom of speech is alive and well 👍 yay, and we get to read it…🥐 croissant.
@@davespanksalot8413 bro really said croissant...
@@Nio744 🤷♂️ je ne regrette rien!!
@@davespanksalot8413 fair enough,
Still against trans though.
They dont care about inclusion. Black rock owns over 90 million shares in sony. Its all esg bait.
the trans gwenda thing is probably the most cringe. when i heard the reaction this film. if people ever read the spider gwenda comics the art style/colors in her universe is the art from her comics.
Geen isn't trans, her story is just a metaphor for what a trans kid has to go through when revealing themseleves to their parents...
EVERYTHING causes conservative rage. FTFY 🧐
Tangential barely related comment. Coco being about a magical immigration border was just uncomfortable for me as a latino who's dealt with very bad experiences regarding immigration injustices. The first Pixar Movie about Mexican culture could have used a different narrative device.
Huh, I never thought about it that way. Yeah that is kind of iffy isn't it ? Maybe they should've just made
Something based on ancient mexican mythology or something like that. Something like emperor's new groove meets maya and the three but set in Mexico.
I won’t watch any animation that’s below 30fps base. It looks like shit. It goes in the same pile with Netflix godzilla and berserk 2016. Lots of potential wasted on a make or break aesthetic decision that they chose to take the hipster road with.
Epic analysis, learned a lot
I read into anything political at all😅🤣😂 I just watched a damn good movie.
The concept reflects the limitless found in Marxism - from its comprehension of physics and biology to ethics - and conservatives are going to be sensitive to, and critical of, those ideological convictions.
Great video as usual!
Didn’t even see the flag
That's what they want. Subliminal message. Disgusting.
Jared i think you're being a little obtuse on the trans thing, for one the producers probably woudln't put an explicit admission of Gwens being trans due to PC (funny how that works). But if we look at several clues it can be atleast reasonably argued, trans flag (idk why you brought up people in real life with trans flags, creators put things in movie maticulously and for usually a reason,) Also the color scheme and fairly convincing line that you said. Maybe she isn't, but idk why its seen as a problem that people may think she is, almost as if thinking she is trans is too much for peoples sensabilities, and the way you reacted to it maybe yours?
While the dialog is not unexpected, the confusion I see with a lot of people on this issue is the character of Gwen65 (ghost spider) is someone that has been around for many years & originated from a community that is a lot more knowledgable of the character & her motivations than any sudden mainstream awareness that has popped up recently. She's not empirically & historically trans, simply because it's already established many years ago she isn't. Nothing wrong with it if she was, btw.
If her creators decide to retcon that in the future, no problem; it will be welcomed by that same community because if anyone has the right to decide that; it will be the writers writing her books, not people who are only just discovering her now.
For anyone already familiar with Gwen65 prior to her popularity explosion from the spider verse films, she is a staunch supporter of any maginalized groups, and yes that absolutely includes the trans community which is why it is no surprise for anyone familiar with her, that she would have something like that on her walls in the film. That is textbook Gwen65.
She, along with Peter & Miles & Cindy & Jess stand in 100% solidarity with them. Unquestionably. On the broader scope though - 'Solidarity' in her case I think is even more important in this context, and a little bit undervalued; Of course a trans person would support trans rights. For the most part that goes without saying. But non-trans people standing side by side with them? not only can that be unexpectedly encouraging, but it's a testament to people exhibiting the forgotten art of human decency, imo.
2:07 I think that quote is a very ill-informed take. The idea that our “fantasies” are devoid of our current mindset and political realities has never true
This movie SUCKED ! It ended on a cliff hanger . Things just happen with no pay off . What a terrible terrible film
It's not bad but I agree cliffhangers are lazy and it shows you aren't confident in holding the viewer attention. You need a gimmicky hook for movie 3.
The problem with the “protect the trans kids” messaging is that it means the opposite of what it implies. We should be protecting children from the radical trans movement, but the poster wants to forfeit our children to that abusive political ideology.
This exactly.
And yet the film was still a box office success, overtaking its predecessor. So, it goes to show that the "Go woke, go broke" saying just doesn't work
That's very interesting, it would have been nice if the film spent more time developing the idea and less time celebrating stereotypes, look at Gwen's hair, of course they're trans, right?
Great analysis as always, Jared. It did not even occur to me that there was “copaganda” going on in this Spiderman film, but that obliviousness may reveal my own bias(es) here. I did not love the movie personally for a few reasons. First, the surrealistic visual/animation style-while interesting at times-was difficult for me to watch. My eyes were so stressed in the theater that I wondered if I was supposed to be wearing 3D glasses. Second, from the sorta conservative perspective, I felt that the scenes & characters that displayed pro-trans symbology just provide ammo for the ongoing culture war and it demonstrates how-speaking for the Ben Shapiro tribe-“Woke Hollywood” has an agenda to force feed our kids a narrative in an effort to normalize LGBT culture & representation. What I mean is I just find it distracting and frustrating when a franchise like Spiderman is used as a vehicle to push the diversity & representation agenda. Many of my favorite films have non-white & non-hetero actors and/or characters; but when a hispanic, a black, a female-black, and a quasi-emo-maybe-semi-trans-female (i.e. anything but white-male) are all depicted as different versions of Spiderman, it just detracts & distracts from the story and I believe it dilutes the historical significance and mythos of Spiderman. Am I wrong? I also found the “Uncle Aaron - Rest in Power” mural to be a mistake; drawing political lines in a film like this only alienates your audience-at least half of it anyway.
Protect Trans kids as well as Palestinians kids from Israel warcrimes