Did my first ride with my tw with the 47t sprocket today. Did almost 300km. I think it's a perfect compromise if you want better highway performance but want to maintain good offroad performance.
Great review of the performance with the 47 tooth sprocket. I have some modest hills here and was concerned with the trade-off of the reduced torque that goes with the reduced RPMs, but it looks like it will be fine for me. My LED replacement bulbs and Tusk hand guards will be here tomorrow. Looks like a new sprocket and chain is next! 👍 😎
@@mkshffr4936 I went with a 45 tooth right after posting that comment 2 years ago. Most of the time, it works fine, but there are a few situations where it causes issues. Mainly when there's too much headwind combined with going up hill. I'm putting new sprockets and chain on soon, and putting a 49 on the rear. If you're not too heavy, and don't need to hold 60 MPH, the 45 will be fine, but you do notice a little reduction in acceleration in 5th gear.
Thanks for your vids. By the time I get to the trails, I am worn out. The stress of trying to keep with the flow of cars behind me is stressful. It's uphill and the speed limit is 40 to 55 mph. I am ordering a 47 and that wacky chain! The JT sprocket is thinner where the bolts go, so I will go with your choice.
That's cool! Yeah up hill a 47 tooth may make your bike a little slower on the top end actually though, but on flat ground you'll be pulling less RPM at all speeds in 5th gear. Depending on how steep the road is, you may be able to stay in 4th gear and wind it out and get more speed in 4th because it has taller gearing. It all depends on a lot of variables if a 47 tooth will work for you or not. I hope it does though! Trying to get the absolute top speed in 5th gear up a hill, you may want to stick with stock gearing though. It's tough call honestly.
I’m 5’ 10”. You did 2 inch risers? Recommend? I’m guessing the first three things I would do are 47t and risers. Not sure about hand guards. Plan to use it for 80% city and 20% off road
Yeah I'm about 5'-8.5" with long arms for my height, and long-ish 31" inseam for my height. The risers help when standing but I think I like lower bars when on the road. Those adjustable ones are nice because you can take a little height off if you want. Mine aren't quite 2" risers because I think you need longer clutch cable or throttle cable for that, or else you might. There's a link for the ones I got in description. I think they are about 1.5" but that's a nice rise. *I see those are out of stock- follow that link and on the bottom of page there are a lot of 7/8" bar risers, most are a 30mm rise, I think that would be fine. Mine are 1.5" or about 38mm. amzn.to/2XdlrCN I would like to do more off-road but in reality I probably do 80% road -20% off-road but I want to be able to tackle gnarly off-road if I want. Hand guards are nice for on-road too when it gets chilly! Plus they save levers if you drop it. I'd get hand guards too. Worth the hassle for sure!
Nope just because it still looked absolutely brand new. Bike has very low miles and always ridden with lubed chain. I probably still should have changed it out but it’s a pain on this bike. Chain would have to wear into a brand new sprocket too though. Rule of thumb is to change both sprockets and chain as a set of course. Seems perfectly fine and chain didn’t need any adjustment after a few hundred miles.
No prob! I did some more testing in another vid. It's a long vid but I have time stamps in the description and pinned comment. th-cam.com/video/s9ccdTP0O58/w-d-xo.html Unless you climb super steep hills off road all the time, a 47 tooth is pretty nice. But stock gearing is better for off road for sure, but this still works. 1st gear is still pretty low. It really just depends on where you ride most of the time.
They are MSR Dual Sport Boots and they are great! It sucks that they are discontinued because if not I would recommend them to everyone. I guess the Formas are similar but I have not had to buy them yet as these are pretty durable and seem to be lasting a long time. th-cam.com/video/DchL_DT56TI/w-d-xo.html
"Powermadd"or something like that. I'll see if I can find the link to that vid. amzn.to/2LIlxey th-cam.com/video/47DvGQjTUj4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BWX Yeah they aren't great for actually seeing very far behind, better than nothing though.
Stock gear ratio is 3.57:1 (14t/50t). Going to 47t rear gives you a 3.35:1 ratio. 16t front/ 50t rear is 3.13:1. So doing that is even a higher gear ratio than going to a 45t rear with stock front, with is 3.21:1. It's more like a stock front with 44t rear which is 3.14:1. A lot of people go 15f and leave stock rear which is closer to going with stock front and 47t rear like I did. There are benefits to a larger front though like less chain wear and longer front sprocket life I suppose. But it's also a lot easier to change out rear than front because you don't have to crack open cover on engine. Also you have to figure out how long of a chain to buy before hand and a 16t/ 50t setup requires a longer chain. Check out sprocketcalculator.com, that chart will also tell you how much reduction (or increase) in torque you'll gain (or lose) and the theoretical top speed you will gain or lose.
Sweet, best I've ever had on flat ground with some temporary mods is 72mph GPS which is a bit sketch on a tdub. Definitely need to pick up one of those tachometers
I wish these cheap tachs worked better.. but this one seems to do ok when on the throttle, and under 5500 or over 6500 rpm for some reason.. 🤷♂️ Other than that it jumps around too much. I think the fastest I ever went was 76 mph indicated (with stock front tire and stock sprocket), it was about 71- 72 GPS. Was on the highway on flat ground with a car a ways in front. That engine was screaming! LOL
I'm guessing you could make up a little loss with a aftermarket exhaust and carb mod. What is your height and weight with your gear on? Just curious, I'm 6'2, 220 , my 2020 Tdub pulls me around pretty good
When I got the TW a few years ago I was closer to 200 lbs. I'm about 185 now, maybe 195- 200 lbs with gear/ backpack, etc.. Only 5'9" though. Less wind resistance! haha. Yeah I wouldn't mind doing a jet and exhaust but for this bike I kind of want to keep the stock exhaust just for stealth mode if I happen to be in a questionably legal place to ride off-road. And maybe if I get permission to ride on someone's land they'd be more apt to let me if I have a quieter bike.
It's a cheap tachometer! About $10 on amazon/ ebay when I bought it. Great for setting idle but seems to jump around when I am not on the throttle and some RPM ranges. I have a couple more to try, this one might be getting old, not sure if they all do that. All of them that look like this are pretty much the same thing.. amzn.to/38hIaQV
It's just a cheap tach from Amazon. I have about 4 or 5 of them. I think this one is just messed up. The one on my minibike works fine. I have the signal wire wrapped tight around the spark plug wire but it just jumps around sometimes for no reason. Other times as you can see it works great. Just going to throw it away and use another one that works.
@@bwxmoto - huh, i wonder if you have wrapped it with electrical tape to keep it from arching elsewhere . you could slide the wire through heat shrink tubing to keep the rest of the wire from grounding elsewhere as well. yes it is conductive free .
Hmm.. the way this one works is that it just wraps around the spark plug lead about 5 times. I use zip ties to hold it on. It picks up the pulses through the insulation. Actually both wires are fully insulated, the plug wire and the one wire coming out of this tach. I have to try another one to make sure there's something wrong with this one. I suppose it could be with how the spark plug signal is sent.. maybe it is weaker or creates some sort of resonance at certain RPMs? Not sure.
I got mine upto 60 mph! But it sounded like it was revving out pretty far. I weigh about 195 and the gearing is stock is that about average speed for a TW?
I think it is from everything I've heard about them in the past 4 years. I think mine runs really well and is faster than average. Some people report 55 mph top speed or lower. A lot depends on wind and weight and incline, probably even tire pressure and also how well the engine is running or what state the carburetor is in. Not sure if people always take all that into consideration though.
@@bwxmoto only way I could see achieving a faster top end. Is changing the sprockets like u mentioned. I mean I have a 2005 yamaha banshee also. And that only tops out at 73 mph!
@@mattgehrke Yeah I think it wouldn't hurt to try. It's possible engine just lacking power for some reason and then larger sprocket might not help unless going down a hill or with a tailwind. Might actually hurt on flat ground or with headwind. hard to say. The engine will be turning slower though so that'll be good either way if you want to run it that fast a lot. Mine is a lot better on-road with 47t rear sprocket and still fine off road but definitely not as good as with stock gearing in the woods. But you can ride around the longer 2nd gear which is the most noticeable to me. Just stay in 1st longer, but then seems like you're shifting more often. Nothing is free I guess. A 6 speed would have been nice.
You’re going to lose about 6% torque at a given engine RPM. Also going to gain 6% speed per given engine RPM in all gears. So Top Gear full speed or say 60 mph your engine will be spinning 6% slower. Everything is a trade-off. It’s worth it to me because I ride more road than gnarly slow off-road. If I had more places to ride off road I’d probably leave gearing stock. I live on a road where people go 60 miles an hour though so I’m always starting off the trip trying to go at least 60 mph. Engine is much happier with the 47 tooth going 60 - 65 mph. First gear is still low enough to crawl pretty slow off road.
@@jameslewis6998 It’s a nice upgrade! With that nice chain I was amazed at how much smoother the bike was overall. Bike only has 3000 miles but I think that original chain was for some reason making the bike vibrate a lot more. Maybe it’s the fact that the new one has O-rings or something.
@@bwxmoto Thanks for the input, being 65 and not having been on a bike in years I’m playing catch up on the technology. I like the ideal of a TW200 as easy to ride on and off road, no hardcore for me just casual trips.
@@jameslewis6998 Oh yeah, great bike for that! It's not fast at all but really fun to ride still. And it's relatively comfortable too, and very easy to ride. It's a great bike!
Only problem is with 44t, 1st gear is too long for really steep and slow stuff in the woods. 2nd gear is where I noticed the 47t most off road, 2nd gear is actually too long now for trails but it's a compromise I'm willing to take because I actually don't ride off road as much as I would like. What sprocket will work mostly depends on where and how you ride. Sounds like you don't use the bike off road much.
@@bwxmoto You're right, I just got the bike and have not taken it off road much. However, I can't imagine 1st gear being too long. I'll have to check rpms at 5 mph. I'll get back to you with the result. Later.
@@tookymax It is hard to imagine, I agree. But when you're trying to climb a 45 degree bumpy muddy slope in the woods it's amazing how long 1st gear can feel. But really it's about 2nd gear for semi slow trails. Then you have to shift back to first or you slow down, where with stock 50t sprocket, 2nd can get you going faster and not bog down.
That 1st to 2nd gear spread and how bike worked on trails is the biggest negative for going from 50 to 47 tooth sprocket for me. But it's not too bad with a 47t. With a 44t I imagine it would be a huge difference from stock.
I went with a 44. That means 12% lower rpms. Driving at 60, the machine is not screaming anymore, just buzzing along. Lot less vibration and smoother at the lower rpms. If I need torque, that's what 4th gear is for. Duh!
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5:19 Probably what most people want to see
Did my first ride with my tw with the 47t sprocket today. Did almost 300km. I think it's a perfect compromise if you want better highway performance but want to maintain good offroad performance.
Yeah! I really like it too.. 1st is a little higher but it is still pretty low for trails and woods.
Great review of the performance with the 47 tooth sprocket. I have some modest hills here and was concerned with the trade-off of the reduced torque that goes with the reduced RPMs, but it looks like it will be fine for me. My LED replacement bulbs and Tusk hand guards will be here tomorrow. Looks like a new sprocket and chain is next! 👍 😎
Yeah it’s fine on hills really. It’s a nice upgrade for road riding!
Do you think a 45 tooth would be too much?
@@mkshffr4936 I went with a 45 tooth right after posting that comment 2 years ago. Most of the time, it works fine, but there are a few situations where it causes issues. Mainly when there's too much headwind combined with going up hill. I'm putting new sprockets and chain on soon, and putting a 49 on the rear. If you're not too heavy, and don't need to hold 60 MPH, the 45 will be fine, but you do notice a little reduction in acceleration in 5th gear.
@@Motor_Cackle Thx
super dependable ride! sweet clip man
Thanks! Yup the little Tdub is a great bike.
Just bought my 47 tooth rear sprocket and chain from Procycle for my 2024 TW200
Great review. To the point.
Thanks for the comment 😎✌
Thanks for your vids. By the time I get to the trails, I am worn out. The stress of trying to keep with the flow of cars behind me is stressful. It's uphill and the speed limit is 40 to 55 mph. I am ordering a 47 and that wacky chain! The JT sprocket is thinner where the bolts go, so I will go with your choice.
That's cool! Yeah up hill a 47 tooth may make your bike a little slower on the top end actually though, but on flat ground you'll be pulling less RPM at all speeds in 5th gear. Depending on how steep the road is, you may be able to stay in 4th gear and wind it out and get more speed in 4th because it has taller gearing. It all depends on a lot of variables if a 47 tooth will work for you or not. I hope it does though! Trying to get the absolute top speed in 5th gear up a hill, you may want to stick with stock gearing though. It's tough call honestly.
I’m 5’ 10”. You did 2 inch risers? Recommend? I’m guessing the first three things I would do are 47t and risers. Not sure about hand guards. Plan to use it for 80% city and 20% off road
Yeah I'm about 5'-8.5" with long arms for my height, and long-ish 31" inseam for my height. The risers help when standing but I think I like lower bars when on the road. Those adjustable ones are nice because you can take a little height off if you want. Mine aren't quite 2" risers because I think you need longer clutch cable or throttle cable for that, or else you might. There's a link for the ones I got in description. I think they are about 1.5" but that's a nice rise.
*I see those are out of stock- follow that link and on the bottom of page there are a lot of 7/8" bar risers, most are a 30mm rise, I think that would be fine. Mine are 1.5" or about 38mm.
amzn.to/2XdlrCN
I would like to do more off-road but in reality I probably do 80% road -20% off-road but I want to be able to tackle gnarly off-road if I want. Hand guards are nice for on-road too when it gets chilly! Plus they save levers if you drop it. I'd get hand guards too. Worth the hassle for sure!
With lots of city you can go 15-47 too with some typical exhaust and jetting too. You can also rise and use tall aftermarket seat too.
Did you replace the front sprocket? Need to do that too! New chain.
Nope just because it still looked absolutely brand new. Bike has very low miles and always ridden with lubed chain. I probably still should have changed it out but it’s a pain on this bike.
Chain would have to wear into a brand new sprocket too though. Rule of thumb is to change both sprockets and chain as a set of course.
Seems perfectly fine and chain didn’t need any adjustment after a few hundred miles.
Thanks for this vid. Was thinking of doing a 47t when I do a sprocket change. Still on the fence.
No prob! I did some more testing in another vid. It's a long vid but I have time stamps in the description and pinned comment.
th-cam.com/video/s9ccdTP0O58/w-d-xo.html
Unless you climb super steep hills off road all the time, a 47 tooth is pretty nice. But stock gearing is better for off road for sure, but this still works. 1st gear is still pretty low. It really just depends on where you ride most of the time.
What boots are you wearing in the video?
They are MSR Dual Sport Boots and they are great!
It sucks that they are discontinued because if not I would recommend them to everyone. I guess the Formas are similar but I have not had to buy them yet as these are pretty durable and seem to be lasting a long time.
th-cam.com/video/DchL_DT56TI/w-d-xo.html
What kind of mirrors do you have?!
"Powermadd"or something like that. I'll see if I can find the link to that vid.
amzn.to/2LIlxey
th-cam.com/video/47DvGQjTUj4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BWX
Yeah they aren't great for actually seeing very far behind, better than nothing though.
What is the difference between this and upping to a 16 tooth on the front.
Stock gear ratio is 3.57:1 (14t/50t). Going to 47t rear gives you a 3.35:1 ratio. 16t front/ 50t rear is 3.13:1.
So doing that is even a higher gear ratio than going to a 45t rear with stock front, with is 3.21:1. It's more like a stock front with 44t rear which is 3.14:1.
A lot of people go 15f and leave stock rear which is closer to going with stock front and 47t rear like I did.
There are benefits to a larger front though like less chain wear and longer front sprocket life I suppose. But it's also a lot easier to change out rear than front because you don't have to crack open cover on engine.
Also you have to figure out how long of a chain to buy before hand and a 16t/ 50t setup requires a longer chain.
Check out sprocketcalculator.com, that chart will also tell you how much reduction (or increase) in torque you'll gain (or lose) and the theoretical top speed you will gain or lose.
Check out the vid by TDubskid, he explains it all pretty thoroughly at the beginning of video. th-cam.com/video/eTN9wYcHPWk/w-d-xo.html
44 ÷ 14 = 3.14 it's not to long for my riding.
It's a lot lot more work to change the front one compared to the back one
Sweet, best I've ever had on flat ground with some temporary mods is 72mph GPS which is a bit sketch on a tdub. Definitely need to pick up one of those tachometers
I wish these cheap tachs worked better.. but this one seems to do ok when on the throttle, and under 5500 or over 6500 rpm for some reason.. 🤷♂️ Other than that it jumps around too much. I think the fastest I ever went was 76 mph indicated (with stock front tire and stock sprocket), it was about 71- 72 GPS. Was on the highway on flat ground with a car a ways in front. That engine was screaming! LOL
Where did you get the sprocket
I think I got it in Amazon. Might be a link in description I’ll have to check.
Yup link’s in there 👍
I'm guessing you could make up a little loss with a aftermarket exhaust and carb mod. What is your height and weight with your gear on? Just curious, I'm 6'2, 220 , my 2020 Tdub pulls me around pretty good
When I got the TW a few years ago I was closer to 200 lbs. I'm about 185 now, maybe 195- 200 lbs with gear/ backpack, etc.. Only 5'9" though. Less wind resistance! haha. Yeah I wouldn't mind doing a jet and exhaust but for this bike I kind of want to keep the stock exhaust just for stealth mode if I happen to be in a questionably legal place to ride off-road. And maybe if I get permission to ride on someone's land they'd be more apt to let me if I have a quieter bike.
@@bwxmoto you can do air box and jet the carb abit. These bike is lean stock for some emissions or smt
Good bike.
nice, what's that gadget giving you rpm?
It's a cheap tachometer! About $10 on amazon/ ebay when I bought it. Great for setting idle but seems to jump around when I am not on the throttle and some RPM ranges. I have a couple more to try, this one might be getting old, not sure if they all do that. All of them that look like this are pretty much the same thing.. amzn.to/38hIaQV
@@bwxmoto - sounds like you have a bad connection, or a bad ground .
It's just a cheap tach from Amazon. I have about 4 or 5 of them. I think this one is just messed up. The one on my minibike works fine. I have the signal wire wrapped tight around the spark plug wire but it just jumps around sometimes for no reason. Other times as you can see it works great. Just going to throw it away and use another one that works.
@@bwxmoto - huh, i wonder if you have wrapped it with electrical tape to keep it from arching elsewhere .
you could slide the wire through heat shrink tubing to keep the rest of the wire from grounding elsewhere as well. yes it is conductive free .
Hmm.. the way this one works is that it just wraps around the spark plug lead about 5 times. I use zip ties to hold it on.
It picks up the pulses through the insulation. Actually both wires are fully insulated, the plug wire and the one wire coming out of this tach.
I have to try another one to make sure there's something wrong with this one. I suppose it could be with how the spark plug signal is sent.. maybe it is weaker or creates some sort of resonance at certain RPMs? Not sure.
I got mine upto 60 mph! But it sounded like it was revving out pretty far. I weigh about 195 and the gearing is stock is that about average speed for a TW?
I think it is from everything I've heard about them in the past 4 years. I think mine runs really well and is faster than average. Some people report 55 mph top speed or lower. A lot depends on wind and weight and incline, probably even tire pressure and also how well the engine is running or what state the carburetor is in. Not sure if people always take all that into consideration though.
@@bwxmoto only way I could see achieving a faster top end. Is changing the sprockets like u mentioned. I mean I have a 2005 yamaha banshee also. And that only tops out at 73 mph!
@@mattgehrke Yeah I think it wouldn't hurt to try. It's possible engine just lacking power for some reason and then larger sprocket might not help unless going down a hill or with a tailwind. Might actually hurt on flat ground or with headwind. hard to say. The engine will be turning slower though so that'll be good either way if you want to run it that fast a lot.
Mine is a lot better on-road with 47t rear sprocket and still fine off road but definitely not as good as with stock gearing in the woods. But you can ride around the longer 2nd gear which is the most noticeable to me. Just stay in 1st longer, but then seems like you're shifting more often. Nothing is free I guess. A 6 speed would have been nice.
Question I have is how would going to 47 tooth effect the ride, I live in the mountains between 6000 and 8000 feet?
You’re going to lose about 6% torque at a given engine RPM. Also going to gain 6% speed per given engine RPM in all gears. So Top Gear full speed or say 60 mph your engine will be spinning 6% slower. Everything is a trade-off. It’s worth it to me because I ride more road than gnarly slow off-road. If I had more places to ride off road I’d probably leave gearing stock. I live on a road where people go 60 miles an hour though so I’m always starting off the trip trying to go at least 60 mph. Engine is much happier with the 47 tooth going 60 - 65 mph. First gear is still low enough to crawl pretty slow off road.
@@bwxmoto Thanks for the response, I’m looking at buying one in the spring.
@@jameslewis6998 It’s a nice upgrade! With that nice chain I was amazed at how much smoother the bike was overall. Bike only has 3000 miles but I think that original chain was for some reason making the bike vibrate a lot more. Maybe it’s the fact that the new one has O-rings or something.
@@bwxmoto Thanks for the input, being 65 and not having been on a bike in years I’m playing catch up on the technology. I like the ideal of a TW200 as easy to ride on and off road, no hardcore for me just casual trips.
@@jameslewis6998 Oh yeah, great bike for that! It's not fast at all but really fun to ride still. And it's relatively comfortable too, and very easy to ride. It's a great bike!
With 44 teeth, 4th gear is what 5th gear was on the 50 tooth. Bonus is, I now have a 6th gear. Going down hills is over 70 mph.
Only problem is with 44t, 1st gear is too long for really steep and slow stuff in the woods. 2nd gear is where I noticed the 47t most off road, 2nd gear is actually too long now for trails but it's a compromise I'm willing to take because I actually don't ride off road as much as I would like. What sprocket will work mostly depends on where and how you ride. Sounds like you don't use the bike off road much.
@@bwxmoto You're right, I just got the bike and have not taken it off road much. However, I can't imagine 1st gear being too long. I'll have to check rpms at 5 mph. I'll get back to you with the result. Later.
@@tookymax It is hard to imagine, I agree. But when you're trying to climb a 45 degree bumpy muddy slope in the woods it's amazing how long 1st gear can feel.
But really it's about 2nd gear for semi slow trails. Then you have to shift back to first or you slow down, where with stock 50t sprocket, 2nd can get you going faster and not bog down.
That 1st to 2nd gear spread and how bike worked on trails is the biggest negative for going from 50 to 47 tooth sprocket for me. But it's not too bad with a 47t. With a 44t I imagine it would be a huge difference from stock.
I went with a 44. That means 12% lower rpms. Driving at 60, the machine is not screaming anymore, just buzzing along. Lot less vibration and smoother at the lower rpms. If I need torque, that's what 4th gear is for. Duh!
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