The burning legion manipulated the alliance and horde to fight each other, however this was a bit of a mistake on their part as the constant fighting made them extremely militarized, making both sides prepared for invasion, be it by each other, or the many other threats azeroth and the twisting nether have to offer
Thinh Vo Exactly, according to Blizzard, the Iron Horde had a strength of just 10,000 orcs... WHAT?! Alright, I knowt this is a timeline in which children were not all aged prematurally and not all clans are part of... But the full strength should be in the TENS OF THOUSANDS INCLUDING SOME THOUSANDS OGRES, PLUS THEY HAD ADVANCED TECHNOLLOGY AND WERE LEARNING MAGIC. In fact, I would change the lore a lot. Make it so that the Iron Horde foccused on the conquest of Draenor first instead of fighting a war on two sides. Make that Alternate Velen communicates with our Velen and then all happens. Make it so every patch we fight a new chieftain!
@@fildariusv7045 Wait WHAT?! Only that few? The Iron Horde appeared like the ultimate military faction. That explains why we didnt instantly win when the Mag'har joined the Horde.
@@Mediados Yeah, and Blizzard treated those numbers as if they were a mighty force... No. True, 10,000 orcs armed with the latest technology may be a formidable force... But the Alliance alone has tens of thousands of soldiers even better armed thanks to gnomish technology. In Wrath of the Lich King, the loses of the Alliance are listed around 40,000 soldiers, which means they at least deployed 100k troops. Basically, the Alliance alone could triple or more the numbers of the Iron Horde, making Garrosh's plan literal garbage
I'm really into this concept, your normal series are awesome and I always enjoy them, but when I'm not familiar with the world you're reporting on, I sometimes have trouble understanding it as a whole with just information about one faction. I think presenting two opposing sides gives nice context for the world.
"The Forsaken think we're weak, a broken people. They think we'll roll over like a scared dog... how wrong they are. We will fight them in the fields until the last trench collapses and the last cannon is silenced. We will fight them on the streets until the last shot is fired, and when there is no more ammunition, we'll crush their skulls with the stones that pave our city. We will fight them in the alleys until our knuckles are skinned and bloodied, and our rapiers lay on the ground, shattered. And if we find ourselves surrounded and disarmed, wounded and without hope; we will lift our heads in defiance and spit in their faces. But we will never surrender! FOR GILNEAS!"
Brothers, stand side by side, with steel and magic, defend our home against the intruder, as friends, as brothers in Arms, as allies, for Azeroth, for the Alliance. Glory to the GTU....... error, scrap this, to the Alliance.
I just love how at 1:38 , when talking about noble brotherhood of Alliance, the banners shown are of Alterac, a human nation that switched sides to Horde in Second War, at Alliance of Lordaeron's infancy, to save their own skin, only to be reduced to rubble and ruins and have its territories taken after the end. How brotherly indeed.
the funny thing about the original starwars is that none of them win at the end . the fel empire have beaten both the newnewnewrepublic and sith empire and the force users of the fel empire was more loyal to the cause and great nation rather than jedis or sith bullshits . they was the imperial knights . a group of grays who are loyal to the empire not to the light or darkness . it took fel empire lot lot of fighting to achieve this but they did it and this is how the original starwars ended .
Very nice, an objective look at things, just history. the only correction I have is that the dark protal was closer to 40 years ago than 30, 36 at the start of Legion if I remember correctly.
"The legion.. was an anomaly." "So long as whispers in the void pry and control whatever and whoever they can, the banners of red and blue will never unite into the long-overdue purple." -???
Doesn’t feel that long ago when the added the new segments of Dossier, Bestiary and Atlas to the channel. Seems to be, much like how the Burning Legion manipulates the two to fight, a third power needs to come and manipulate the two sides to stop the warring.
@@petemadrona2252 For the love of God the franchise had a big boom when the first came out and gave us IDW comics, TFA, and TPM. In other words the franchise is perfectly fine despite word of mouth.
I doubt there's enough info on it, but this Rivalries series would be a good way to make a Half-Life 2 video. Specifically, the Resistance vs the Combine.
I agree that that's probably not enough. Especially with such a one-sided conflict as a ragtag resistance movement versus a multidimensional empire of that scale.
I don't usually go around being a downer but I feel like some pretty key details were glossed over, like the fact the orcs were under the influence of demonic blood during the First War. You also mentioned nothing of the Lich King or the Alliance's betrayal of the blood elves. Overall, it felt like the picture you were painting of the Alliance was quite rosie, while the Horde was definitely less so... if this rivalry series is a thing, please don't let your favorite show.
M O R A L L Y G R E Y Banshee queen that murders a city of civilians just to spite one defeated enemy soldier. I'm not entirely sure what colour palete im supposed to use to make that seem a bit more 'rosie'.
Mr BigCookie It wasn't just because she wanted to fuck her, she realized that the night elfs where not going to surrender, and she wanted to crush any hope. I don't like at all the burning of teldrassyl, but sylvanas always has a plan, it never is plain evil.
Have you thought about doing a series where you analyse weapons from different universes? Like the pilot could be the Lightsaber or the MA5 series rifle?
I see the Horde and Alliance relationship like that of two brothers. They bicker and fight with no real end. Yet when a bigger and worse enemy comes along, they create a mutual agreement to kill that enemy, then go back to fighting each other.
A rivalries episode on the factions you mentioned could synergize well with their preexisting Fallout content. So doing that could have each of them serve as supplementary material for each other.
Some suggestions for future videos: Pagans vs Hammerites ( Thief: The Dark Project & Thief 2: The Metal Age) GDI vs Brotherhood of Nod ( C&C ) Soviet Union vs Allies vs Yuri vs Empire of the Rising Sun vs Giant Ants (!?) ( C&C: Red Alert ) Thousand Sons vs Space Wolves ( Warhammer 30,000 - 40,000 ) Andrew Ryan vs Frank Fontaine vs Sofia Lamb ( BioShock ) Founders vs Vox Populi ( BioShock Infinite ) Charles Milton Porter vs Reed Wahl ( BioShock 2: Minerva's Den ) SHODAN vs Tri-Optimum vs UNN vs The Many ( System Shock ) Black Mesa vs Aperture Science ( Half-Life & Portal ) Autobots vs Decepticons ( Transformers ) Corvo Attano vs Daud ( Dishonored) Emily Kaldwin vs Delilah Copperspoon ( Dishonored ) NCR vs Caesar's Legion ( Fallout: New Vegas ) S. H. I. E. L. D. vs HYDRA ( Marvel ) Avengers vs Ultron ( Marvel ) X-Men vs Brotherhood of Mutants ( Marvel ) Assassins vs Templars ( Assassin's Creed ) Batman vs. Joker ( DC ) Hokan Ashir vs Uram the Red ( SpellForce: The Order of Dawn )
There were probably too many atrocities that were commited on both sides to simply lay down weapons and achieving peace. One side has to prevail and defeat the other, once and for all. And I will be there and do everything possible to make sure the Horde turns out as the victor.
Given that the Alliance is made up of independent nations, the leaders of which have all recognized the King of Stormwind to be the High King of the Alliance and the first among equals and that both men to occupy that lofty position have been men of honor and verisimilitude who, while having very different styles of leadership, nevertheless, lead by example and, when necessary, from the front. Your veiled argument is specious at best.
Meanwhile, the Horde has a Banshee queen as its leader, who sacrifices pretty much everyone and everything for absolutely nothing, including her own troops. Ill take the kings of Stormwind thank you very much.
An idea to expand on this, or maybe another series could be to compare how they function with more depth, i.e. military strengths and weaknesses, economies, governments etc.
In the ancient cycle of time war comes with peace and peace comes with war no man shall know peace for the cycle is forever and balances all *as all things should be*
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Do GDI and NOD next because they are remastering the Old C&C games without any micro transactions
I suggest an episode about professor X vs Magneto
shots fired ;)
FOR THE HORDE!
Just wondering if you could still make a faction by faction here
In the grim darkness of Azeroth there's only war, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
Khorne favorite planet.
I see what you did there!
Wrong universe.
Just like Warhammer
In the grim darkness of azeroth there is only the current villain and then the "oh no he was actually working for this bigger guy" plot twist
This rivalries plot seems to be a very intresting serie
The burning legion manipulated the alliance and horde to fight each other, however this was a bit of a mistake on their part as the constant fighting made them extremely militarized, making both sides prepared for invasion, be it by each other, or the many other threats azeroth and the twisting nether have to offer
Yep. I think the whole Iron Horde shows this perfectly.
@@TheLordboki Iron Horde was a joke
Thinh Vo Exactly, according to Blizzard, the Iron Horde had a strength of just 10,000 orcs... WHAT?! Alright, I knowt this is a timeline in which children were not all aged prematurally and not all clans are part of... But the full strength should be in the TENS OF THOUSANDS INCLUDING SOME THOUSANDS OGRES, PLUS THEY HAD ADVANCED TECHNOLLOGY AND WERE LEARNING MAGIC. In fact, I would change the lore a lot. Make it so that the Iron Horde foccused on the conquest of Draenor first instead of fighting a war on two sides. Make that Alternate Velen communicates with our Velen and then all happens. Make it so every patch we fight a new chieftain!
@@fildariusv7045 Wait WHAT?! Only that few? The Iron Horde appeared like the ultimate military faction. That explains why we didnt instantly win when the Mag'har joined the Horde.
@@Mediados Yeah, and Blizzard treated those numbers as if they were a mighty force... No. True, 10,000 orcs armed with the latest technology may be a formidable force... But the Alliance alone has tens of thousands of soldiers even better armed thanks to gnomish technology. In Wrath of the Lich King, the loses of the Alliance are listed around 40,000 soldiers, which means they at least deployed 100k troops. Basically, the Alliance alone could triple or more the numbers of the Iron Horde, making Garrosh's plan literal garbage
For Quel'Thalas, Orgrimmar, Mulgore, Suramar and Zandalar!
For the Horde! Lok'tar Ogar!
I shared it on WoW Storyforums. Thought it was neatly packaged and well spoken as always and worth sharing.
I'm really into this concept, your normal series are awesome and I always enjoy them, but when I'm not familiar with the world you're reporting on, I sometimes have trouble understanding it as a whole with just information about one faction. I think presenting two opposing sides gives nice context for the world.
Never forget Teldrassil! For the Alliance!
And at next,Sylvanas will burn!
@@Spartan135 At least in THAT we both agree
I just got back to Wow and now this! May elements and spirits guide you! For the Horde!
For Lordaeron! For the Alliance!
For the true heirs of Lordaeron, the Forsaken! For the Horde!
For the Dark Lady!
I can agree with Imperios and Zerebrat, but after she blew up my city I can't agree with DDDZzs.
FOR NARNIA!!
Better to blow it than let Alliance have their filthy hands on it.
"The Forsaken think we're weak, a broken people. They think we'll roll over like a scared dog... how wrong they are. We will fight them in the fields until the last trench collapses and the last cannon is silenced. We will fight them on the streets until the last shot is fired, and when there is no more ammunition, we'll crush their skulls with the stones that pave our city. We will fight them in the alleys until our knuckles are skinned and bloodied, and our rapiers lay on the ground, shattered. And if we find ourselves surrounded and disarmed, wounded and without hope; we will lift our heads in defiance and spit in their faces. But we will never surrender! FOR GILNEAS!"
Hey know that's not true. We don't think you are people at all.
DDDZzs 223355:And that from rotten stinking corpses Walking and Talking as if they still would be alive.
Better dead than animal.
Go back behind your wall furry trumps 😂
Brothers, stand side by side, with steel and magic, defend our home against the intruder, as friends, as brothers in Arms, as allies, for Azeroth, for the Alliance.
Glory to the GTU....... error, scrap this, to the Alliance.
For the Alliance!
For the Republic!!
I just love how at 1:38 , when talking about noble brotherhood of Alliance, the banners shown are of Alterac, a human nation that switched sides to Horde in Second War, at Alliance of Lordaeron's infancy, to save their own skin, only to be reduced to rubble and ruins and have its territories taken after the end. How brotherly indeed.
Half the comments: "For the Alliance!"
Other half: "FOR THE HORDE!"
Me: "LEEEROOOOOYYYYY...JENNNNKIIIIIIINNNNNNS!!!!!!"
The meme lives on.
Jedi and Sith, Light and Dark Side of the Force.
the funny thing about the original starwars is that none of them win at the end .
the fel empire have beaten both the newnewnewrepublic and sith empire and the force users of the fel empire was more loyal to the cause and great nation rather than jedis or sith bullshits . they was the imperial knights . a group of grays who are loyal to the empire not to the light or darkness .
it took fel empire lot lot of fighting to achieve this but they did it and this is how the original starwars ended .
should've been the first one
I would definitely like to see a Rivalries episode on the Jedi & Sith, among others.
For the Horde, baby 🤘🏼
Very nice, an objective look at things, just history. the only correction I have is that the dark protal was closer to 40 years ago than 30, 36 at the start of Legion if I remember correctly.
"The legion.. was an anomaly."
"So long as whispers in the void pry and control whatever and whoever they can, the banners of red and blue will never unite into the long-overdue purple." -???
Thumbs up for Battletech universe, Inner Sphere vs the Clans
The Church of the Broken God, to the Faith of Nalka/The Sarkic Cults, of the SCP Foundation
Wouldn't that go under an Audio Log though? Or a combined Rivalries/Audio Log episode?
K9theXV I feel the combined one would be true to both the SCP Foundation Wiki and he Templin institute
Fair enough.
This is absolutely fantastic.
I am so happy you guys started covering Warcraft :D
Doesn’t feel that long ago when the added the new segments of Dossier, Bestiary and Atlas to the channel.
Seems to be, much like how the Burning Legion manipulates the two to fight, a third power needs to come and manipulate the two sides to stop the warring.
that what wrathion is trying to do but we haven't heard anything from him in a while so we don't know what he is up to atm
I love the Art! specially @ 2:48.
If this goes ahead you should talk about the greatest rivalry know to man Tom and Jerry
I could see that as an April Fools joke akin to the Springfield Box Factory one. But then again, it is a legit rivalry.
Welp I don’t have the financial resources to support on Patreon but so far this is def my favorite of the pilots
*For The Alliance!*
*FOR AZEROTH!!!!*
gayyyyyyyy
In the light we trust
Could you please do the Autobots and Decpticons for Rivalries?
I definitely second this. I'm not gonna let Michael Bay sully the fact that even the Transformers have lore
Conclave and Nerazim (Starcraft)
Hell yeaph
@@petemadrona2252 For the love of God the franchise had a big boom when the first came out and gave us IDW comics, TFA, and TPM. In other words the franchise is perfectly fine despite word of mouth.
@@elijahwatson3474 I meant the movies, though.
Omg. Its about time. Cant wait to watch!
I doubt there's enough info on it, but this Rivalries series would be a good way to make a Half-Life 2 video. Specifically, the Resistance vs the Combine.
I agree that that's probably not enough. Especially with such a one-sided conflict as a ragtag resistance movement versus a multidimensional empire of that scale.
For The Alliance
For the Horde !! For the Dark Lady !!
I spit on the Banshee. Her crimes, like those of Garrosh before, poison our honor. For Saurfang! For the True Horde!
This didn’t age well
@@TheHeartlessFour And there is no horde, just another alliance painted red
@@maximus5263 What is that supposed to mean? The Horde and Alliance are nothing alike.
For the Greater Terra Union! TERRA INVICTA!!!
Victory or Death!
RDA and Na'vi, James Cameron's Avatar
Industrialists and Natives, Lorne Lanning's Oddworld
That seems like an interesting idea.
Thanks, Oddworld doesn't get the attention it rightfully deserves
I don't usually go around being a downer but I feel like some pretty key details were glossed over, like the fact the orcs were under the influence of demonic blood during the First War. You also mentioned nothing of the Lich King or the Alliance's betrayal of the blood elves. Overall, it felt like the picture you were painting of the Alliance was quite rosie, while the Horde was definitely less so... if this rivalry series is a thing, please don't let your favorite show.
M O R A L L Y G R E Y
Banshee queen that murders a city of civilians just to spite one defeated enemy soldier. I'm not entirely sure what colour palete im supposed to use to make that seem a bit more 'rosie'.
Mr BigCookie It wasn't just because she wanted to fuck her, she realized that the night elfs where not going to surrender, and she wanted to crush any hope. I don't like at all the burning of teldrassyl, but sylvanas always has a plan, it never is plain evil.
For the Alliance!
FOR THE HORDE!!
I love Rivalries.
Have you thought about doing a series where you analyse weapons from different universes? Like the pilot could be the Lightsaber or the MA5 series rifle?
Now that's what I call an Epic Goblin Win.
*For The Horde*
Nod and the GDI!
Alliance dogs everywhere.
Off i go then
I see the Horde and Alliance relationship like that of two brothers. They bicker and fight with no real end. Yet when a bigger and worse enemy comes along, they create a mutual agreement to kill that enemy, then go back to fighting each other.
Honor, no matter how dire the battle, never forsake it. For the Horde.
For too long has our honor been tainted by the Banshee, my brothers! For Thrall! For Vol'jin! For Saurfang! For the True Horde!
The moment i saw the video it was like here we are, everything else goes to pause.
I am going to see how it helped them it could be interesting to see the relationship between the legion of Caesar and the Republic of New California
A rivalries episode on the factions you mentioned could synergize well with their preexisting Fallout content. So doing that could have each of them serve as supplementary material for each other.
GDI vs Nod
Global Defense Initiative vs The Brotherhood of Nod
Lok'tar Ogar! FOR THE HORDE!!!
ZUG ZUG
I can tell that Marc really wants to make one of these on the Alpha Quadrant Powers of Star Trek
Oh fuck yeah, Rivalries sounds good.
The Imperium and the Legions of Chaos
Please please please do The Blood War (Devils vs. Demons) from the Dungeons and Dragons cosmology!
Some suggestions for future videos:
Pagans vs Hammerites ( Thief: The Dark Project & Thief 2: The Metal Age)
GDI vs Brotherhood of Nod ( C&C )
Soviet Union vs Allies vs Yuri vs Empire of the Rising Sun vs Giant Ants (!?) ( C&C: Red Alert )
Thousand Sons vs Space Wolves ( Warhammer 30,000 - 40,000 )
Andrew Ryan vs Frank Fontaine vs Sofia Lamb ( BioShock )
Founders vs Vox Populi ( BioShock Infinite )
Charles Milton Porter vs Reed Wahl ( BioShock 2: Minerva's Den )
SHODAN vs Tri-Optimum vs UNN vs The Many ( System Shock )
Black Mesa vs Aperture Science ( Half-Life & Portal )
Autobots vs Decepticons ( Transformers )
Corvo Attano vs Daud ( Dishonored)
Emily Kaldwin vs Delilah Copperspoon ( Dishonored )
NCR vs Caesar's Legion ( Fallout: New Vegas )
S. H. I. E. L. D. vs HYDRA ( Marvel )
Avengers vs Ultron ( Marvel )
X-Men vs Brotherhood of Mutants ( Marvel )
Assassins vs Templars ( Assassin's Creed )
Batman vs. Joker ( DC )
Hokan Ashir vs Uram the Red ( SpellForce: The Order of Dawn )
Yes, yes to all of those.
Fracking AWESOME
I Would Like To See More Of This
Do sins of a solar empire factions next! I love that game!
THE LIGHT SHALL BRING VICTORY !!
There were probably too many atrocities that were commited on both sides to simply lay down weapons and achieving peace. One side has to prevail and defeat the other, once and for all. And I will be there and do everything possible to make sure the Horde turns out as the victor.
You should do the matoran universe from bionicle bc it's surprisingly deep
Not a WOW player but...For the Alliance!!
Given that the Alliance is made up of independent nations, the leaders of which have all recognized the King of Stormwind to be the High King of the Alliance and the first among equals and that both men to occupy that lofty position have been men of honor and verisimilitude who, while having very different styles of leadership, nevertheless, lead by example and, when necessary, from the front. Your veiled argument is specious at best.
Meanwhile, the Horde has a Banshee queen as its leader, who sacrifices pretty much everyone and everything for absolutely nothing, including her own troops. Ill take the kings of Stormwind thank you very much.
Here's an idea for a rivalries episode: Earth Federation versus the Principality of Zeon.
Everyone going "for the horde" or "for the alliance." Fools, everyone knows the real good guys are the Void Lords.
The Empire of Tamriel and the Stormcloaks!
LOK"TAR OGAR! FOR THE HORDE!
An idea to expand on this, or maybe another series could be to compare how they function with more depth, i.e. military strengths and weaknesses, economies, governments etc.
Zappy Boi for Warchief!
Lok'tar!
I'd love to see one these videos done on Xim' Empire from Star Wars, however, I'm not sure if there enough information to really make one.
and i thoght that Extra credits was going crazy with the new series
FOR THE SCOURGE
For the legion!
For the Deathwing!
FOR THE MURLOCS! Aaaaaughibbrgubugbugrguburgle!
For the Swarm!
For the PIZZA
Ash Ketchum vs. Gary Oak, dangit!
GARY WAS HERE, ASH IS A LOSER!
FOR THE HORDE.
Lok'Tar Ogar! For the Horde!
Damn, I was really hoping for space wolves Vs thousand sons
Can you do one on the Titans and oldgods plz. Also great video.
militeh - arasaka , harkonen - atreides , kings musketeers - bishops musketeers , sabbath - camarilla
For the horde
FOR THE HORDE!
*For The Alliance!*
For the horde... of alliance supporters!
FOR THE HORDE DOWN WITH THE LITCH QUEEN
@@coldrage20t8 Preach. We need to remove Sylvanas from the throne... and then end the war on our terms.
Aka'Magosh Comrade!
In the ancient cycle of time war comes with peace and peace comes with war no man shall know peace for the cycle is forever and balances all *as all things should be*
Please could you do Quel'thalas from World of Warcraft please
For the Horde!
zigarate complete!
Need more Zigarates!
Blood and thunder !! For the Horde!!!
How about the Narn Regime and the Centauri Republic from the _Babylon 5_ series?
For the Dark Lady!
For the Horde!!
For AZEROTH!!!
My life for Aiur!
Hope that this one wins
Would it be possible to detail the IMC from Titanfall?
Nod and GDI, if this series wins of course.
Could you do an episode with GDI and NoD?
Darkspear never die! For the Horde!!!!
For the alliance!
Can someone remind me what happened tho Thrall? It always seems like the Horde gets mixed up, turned into the bad guy, or the short end of the stick.
Yeah Blizzard really likes taking a Warchief as a cheap excuse to keep the fight going.
Love it
For Myself!
FOR THE HORDE!
Now with that out of the way how about 'Innersphere vs The Clans' from battletech?
Obviously you need to do the Jedi vs Sith
FOR THE ALLIANCE!!
Why did it take so long for me to come across this smh