The First Time Horde/Alliance Worked Together in Warcraft
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Small correction. Eitrigg did help the Argent Crusade in wotlk as per Tirion's request but they never interacted face to face.
Just to correct you, it is Alliance AND horde...
Great video, I love how you included the fortnite and cola kid. Keep up the good work.
I really like the animation screen with Tyrion and Eitrigg. Can you upload the video to Wallpaper Engine on Steam? I would like to have it as a background please (the one at 14:57)
@@xd4054 ya i'd also like to put it in my screen
Yet another reason why Chris Metzen was vital to WoW's lore. While he wasn't 100% consistent with the quality of his writings, I'd much rather have him back over the current writers we have at Blizzard
There was heart behind it.
It does have a very specific kind of feeling to it, doesn't it? I think WoW stories right now are just too grandiose for what was a fairly grounded fantasy setting that most of us fell in love with. Stories like this one, the Sunwell Trilogy, etc seem to almost have a soul of their own.
@@hysorn5266 the sunwell trilogy was awesome :D
@@hysorn5266 _"I think WoW stories right now are just too grandiose"_ I've been thinking the same thing lately.
Tbh Legion could be done far into the future - as in with a multitude of deep, immersive expansions inbetween. Instead, modern woke-corp chinese-influenced blizzard decides to up the stakes ad absurdum each expansion and needs to come up with some half-assed raid: shadowlads with some random zooval that nobody ever heard about that we're supposed to care about. They wasted Sargeras, who was kinda the main bad guy in WC universe, and I have no doubts that they'll try to recycle him and Illidan and tarnish their legendary legacies much like they did with Arthas or Uther.
Therefore, a few months ago I have declared, and will henceforth forever repeat whenever the topic comes up:
*Blizzard stopped being canon after legion* :^)
Hope he and Michael found a new better game franchise
Dude that animated version of the book cover is freaking CRISP. Little touches like this are why I love your content, Platinum. Keep it up my guy.
I had that exact same thought!! Agreed, love your content ^^
Same here... I was like DAYMN, you made dis?
Straight out of Warcraft 3 Mission Campaign Selection Screen
WE NEED THAT AS A LIVE WALLPAPER
ikr?! I want a loop of that as my wallpaper
Platinum is single-handedly keeping the lost art of WoW machinima alive and I feel like he doesn't get enough credit for that.
I was sad when Nixxiom quit
Captain Grim?
Gorak's Guide?
@@samtemdo8 Nixxiom has turned into a toxic idiot... only ranting on wow to get the few likes. he managed to get fame and manages to ruin it
Captain Grim does it pretty well too, but the old big guys like Nixxiom or Crendor don't do them that much anymore.
You know that *was* a massively missed opportunity for Eitrigg to be with Thrall and Garrosh at the tournament grounds.
You mean the once best realm? Agreed. Jokin but yeah
Garrosh being there besides Thrall is kinda dumb, when I feel someone like Eitrigg would be a better fit, not to mention he would actually work with the Alliance, since he wasn't " ALLIANCE COWARDS! WE DON'T NEED THEM!"
Yeah blizz seems to do that a lot with their lore.
@@kawaiivenus8177 well, Garrosh was supreme commander of the Horde forces in Northrend
@@arthursebastiany7311 With little experience of an actual war that took place in Azeroth, he probably fended off big monsters, but wars were all Eiitrigg had as an experienced leader. He fought in all 3 wars in Azeroth, and the fact that Thrall chose Eitrig someone who had experience in stressful situations, to someone with little experience, and let's be honest, Garrosh only got the position because of his blood connection, Thrall's choice was because of a nostalgic relationship, he wanted to repeat the same relationship he had with Garrosh's father.
Garrosh crumbled in the amount of pressure, trying to live the HUGE mantle his father had, and for Thrall as well. It was a poor choice by Thrall.
Man hearing Tirion's death screams again still gives me shellshock. Whoever voiced him did a phenomenal job portraying being burnt alive by fel flames
It's the same actor who played king Théoden from The Lord of the Rings films. It's Bernard Hill. If you ever heard his speech in Return of the King you will clearly see why his voice acting for Tirion Fordring is so impactful.
@@Frozen_Death_Knight oh damn no way! Yeah that would make sense. Thanks for the answer.
@@Frozen_Death_Knight oh damn, didn't knew it's him. Yeah well that explains why titians voice acting is so good there.
@@Frozen_Death_Knight are you sure about that? wiki says the actor is Floyd Van Buskirk
@@beilog7489 Hm, seems like I might have been misled? When I search for the actor you are correct that it is Floyd, but I still remember articles and videos stating that it was Bernard Hill back in the day. Even found remnants of this in a few places online, so it is not just my imagination.
Either way, I stand corrected. It's honestly odd that there have been conflicting sources regarding this. Thanks!
Iirc, lore-wise Tirion was never "stripped" of the light, but it was more of a mental thing. Users of the light cannot call to the light without full faith in the light and themselves. After being excommunicated by the most powerful light-users, i think that'd be pretty faith-shaking
Retcons are fun
This was the old planned lore for War3
The Alliance became corrupt and started to eat each other, paladins became deluded and some traveled north to become the first death knights after hearing the call of the lich king.
The original plans for war 3 were more grim, also garona would be thrall's partner during campaign and her own hero unit, the original render of her cutscene model was the official rendition of her.
@@Bitterman5868 could you link that render?
This Is why the Scarlett crusade can conjure the light, while Arthas during Stratholme could not. The Scarlet crusade never stopped believing, while Arthas's mind was starting to crumble.
which part is retconned? nothing about that story was changed
@@DorkN313 Don't you know? Everything that develops a game's story in new and interesting directions is actually a retcon that goes against everything previously established!
At the end of the Death Knight, starting area where the horde characters go to Ogrimmar. The letter tirion sends spesificly asked for Eitrigg to come to Northrend. So that is something.
Let me guess, Eitrigg doesn't comment on the fact that this is Tirion's letter at all?
@@BooguyTheAdept No. He mention something like you can trust Tirion, so this death knight is now friend.
I think Eitrigg hated Turalyon during BFA because he represented the Old Alliance, the Alliance that kept his people chained like animals and nearly killed him. Tirion was the first Human to earn his trust and respect, and Eitrigg most likely still resents the Alliance for punishing Tirion for adhering to his sense of honor and trying to do the right thing.
That Alliance chained them caused they invaded their world dripping on demon blood slaughtering everyone in sight. They treated them like we treated the Legion .
Ye, or they just wanted some generic HvA atmosphere.
Tbf humans had a reason to do everything they did to Orcs unlike the Horde who attacked Azeroth out of nowhere.
This isn't a "iM bAd bUt u BaD tO0" childish story. Besides, if someone like Daelin falls into that "old Alliance" then Garrosh proved him right.
@@roninzero12 Both had reasons. The Alliance was much more righteous in the early days, but you have to not forget Medhiv betrayal and the several mistakes they will make later on due to corruption spreading after their complete victory on the Horde after the first 2 wars.
Daelin is a special case. He's kind of a "righteous villain" as I would call him, as if it was real life everyone in their right mind would see him as a good guy given the context of the situation, what he lived, what he saw. But we as players know better about the Horde in Warcraft 3.
Neither Alliance or Horde are completely good or bad in the context of World of Warcraft, and neither have the best or the worst reasons to fight each other. It's what makes WoW's lore complex and interesting...well in the early days of the games at least. Today's written lore is a joke but it wasn't always like this.
@@Carpatouille Sure nobody is completely good or bad. However the people launching a genocidal war ever few years are certainly more evil then the people who aren't exactly honorable in there defense at times.
Things might not be black and white, but that doesn't mean they're equal. Like shit just look at the Night Elves for example. Yeah ok the Night Elves probably shouldn't have been so untrusting of there cousins the Nightborn. But the latter probably shouldn't have been complacent with BURNING THE FORMER ALIVE!
I don't play WoW anymore or follow Blizzard but man please don't stop making these, feels like the old days like a kid falling in love with vanilla quest lore again
Eitrigg and Tirion doing the badass handshake made me lulz. Regarding Tirion and Eitrigg, during the DK quest chain, the letter the player DK would give to Saurfang has the postscript that Tirion requests Eitrigg in Northrend.
Eitrigg's backstory as a deserter when the Horde turned to evil makes that scene at the end of the loyalist questline where you fight him and drag him through the streets all the more gut-wrenching.
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All this Tirion lore just to be killed in the Legion intro scenario. He could've been such a great addition to the alliance leadership after Legion.
He didn't had to died 😔 thrall didn't die and we became the boss of the shamans 🙄. Tirion could of been "hurt" and he could step down from being the pallys leader but then again they need it him dead so the DKs could try to steal him 🤔🤔
As of today it is the only WoW book i actually read. And while the book was incredible with nice explaining and a somewhat unique story, what i loved most was the final scene. Where we forward in time to Taelan's (Tirion's son) induction in the Silver Hand. And among a full room of people, Tirion was there, in his exiled wardrobe, standing in a corner not being known
Dude, the predator handshake at 13:20 set to the Call To Arms OST is top tier Platinum
*_DE-SI-DERATUS FATUM!!! DE-SI-DERATUS BELLUM!!!!!!_*
I already knew this story but I love the parts you added connecting thralls lordaeron activity with the local human anti-orc pressures that impacts dathrohan and uthers decisions, another great video thanks!
Damn i really miss these simpler times of warcraft. Just medival fantasy where everything with greater power is a mystery. Again a masterpeace!
Yeah, it was awesome to imagine the mysterious powers of the Old Gods, who was Sargeras and how powerful he really was. Now that we've seen everything and had everything explained in such a grrat detail it doesn't have the same effect it once did.
@@shenpaisei8922 its not even well explained and well done. For me everything after wotlk is one big retcon
Now it's about transgenders "angels", Gr3y mOrAliTy, removing old paintinga from women and removing the word "maiden" from quest text, and do a rehash of old stories while ruining what made them good in the first place.
@@roninzero12 don't forget the change from male/female to body type 1/2... what a great addition to the game....
People out here acting like dwarves didn't have tanks with literal cannons on them in warcraft 2. It's always been a mixed fantasy setting.
Given that neither Fordring nor Eitrigg were simultaneously members of their respective factions at any point in the story, I’d argue that cooperation between the Horde and Alliance proper wouldn’t happen until some point in WoW, especially given that the humans accompanying Jaina during the events at Mount Hyjal during Warcraft 3 could also be considered separate from the Alliance.
But this is a great little story about an orc and a human discovering that the bro code transcends skin color, species, and even dimension of origin.
And an even better video!
You speak the truth.
If I remember right Jaina in Warcraft 3 said something like she leads what last from Alliance. Even map where you have Grom and Thrall in Kalimdor, you fight each Alliance faction on the way to mountain where Medivh is. (Zeppelin mission)
I am happy they worked out their differences and became friends. Reminds me of my childhood friend. Started off as mortal enemies at the age of 5 and 33 years later we chilln.
Bonding at a low tier seafood restaurant over a mutual dislike of that dork you work with, Patrick Bateman
Lol my favorite part is when Eitrigg runs up to Tirion and gives him that “Epic Handshake” and you can see the baby oil dripping down those pythons. Great editing as always Platinum!
Man the moment Eitrigg clasped Tirion's arm and the use of that original music really got me. Teared up a little. I read this book when it came out. You captured the spirit of warcraft so well in this one 👏
I love how you added small details from the book such as Eitrigg carrying wood or his salute to Tirion after his honorable act.
This is the most DUDES ROCK story ive ever heard. Thank you chad Metzen for writing this
Awesome work on this Platinum, glad you included my Tauren Paladin; Bessia at the end!
What makes this story so great is its simplicity and relatability; A truly down to earth tale of shared honor in a world of such high fantasy where zombie dragon demons are the usual fare.
This story really made me love tirion's character and one of my favorite story in warcraft universe. it's just a shame that they didn't explore much on these twos being absolute bros
These videos just never miss, i will never not be excited when i see a new platinum wow video 🙏
Fun Fact: Once you complete the Death Knight starting zone, there is actually a mention of Tirion and Eitrigg's past together, with Tirion asking for permission to have Eitrigg work alongside him. It's in the little letter that Horde Death Knights are given to hand to *insert Horde current leader here* at the very end as a P.S. Here is what it says: "Give Eitrigg my regards and please inform him that I could use a good orc by my side in Northrend - with your permission, of course." Nice to see their past at least referenced, even if the request doesn't happen.
Oddly enough, while fishing coins out of the Dalaran Fountian in Wrath Classic, I found one copper coin called "Eitrigg's Copper Coin" it reads "May Tirion's quest here in Northrend end with success, or may he die honorably in battle." I'm guessing it's a reference to this story.
Of Blood and Honor is one of the best books made me love Tirion then seeing him in ICC and doing the classic quest line made him my favorite character
love how your work is always funny, but still tells a compelling story.
In the DK starting zone quest, when you get to join your faction, the horde side gets a letter Tirion gives you and if you read it he asks Thrall about Eitrigg.
It's the little things that keep you goin. Nothing like a budding bromance between man and orc to give you hope.
These machinima versions of lore are SO much fun to watch!
That was one of the best stories ever told.. Thank you for this. Almost have a tear in my eye.
Was not expecting Arthas to do the Thriller dance XD
I'm just really getting into WoW and omg this is one of my top 3 stories no doubt, Tirion is a badass
This content creator is such a pleasure to watch! You put out some wholesome, entertaining and fun things to watch and I for one really appreciate it! Thank you!
I really hope you make more videos from the books. I personally never got around to reading them, so this was really educational for me, personally. Plus, we can’t forget the comedy you added on top of the animations and editing you put into these. It’s beyond amazing.
The editing, the humor, it's all amazing. I always get excited when you upload a new video :)
As always absolutely amazing work!!!! Thanks so much
Dude that's an awesome video, this is the first Warcraft that I read and I miss so much of the old stories.
An idea for a video: Rhonin and Korialstrasz, you've talked about them briefly on the War of the Ancient videos, but I think that those two deserve a video.
Rhonin is a charismatic character who was a lowly mage that ascended to the highest ranks of the Kirin Tor and is married to a Windrunner sister (living the life), and I was devastated on how he was just killed on Theramore, I thought he deserved more.
If I had to say that WoW has a main character it would be this Korialstrasz; he's been involved in so much shit in Azeroth's history in the books, and is barely used in game.
Thanks so much for your videos and dedication to great content, you have a viewer for life.
Dude, I don't know if you or someone else did the thumbnail render but it is really, really good. Stays true to the original cover art while taking on that new graphical fidelity.
every video from you is such an improvement from last one, you are constantly evolving, i literally gasped at models that were portrayed the same as on the book cover
Say what you will about Metzen's writing, but he really loved this universe and it shows. Thank you for making these videos, they are a refuge for my passion to this world and characters.
Idea for next lore video: Venture Co. Been fighting these goblin bastards since vanilla, but hardly know anything about them at all, and there aren't really other videos explaining the backstory and lore.
Thanks for covering lesser known stories such as this as well, Platinum. I always love hearing more details about the popular bangers we all know and love, but as you said, this is an awesome time capsule and moment of this world's development. Keep up the great work as always.
I remember reading War Crimes back after MoP as it was deeply recommended, and then just getting hooked on WoW novels for a couple years, this was one of the outstanding ones; so happy to see a video on it.
I don't think we can call two dudes being cool with each other as "Alliance and Horde working together", especially as Tirion was pretty much exiled from the Alliance for this. This was a personal story between them, neither of them were actually ambassadors of their factions.
Anyway, this was absolutely awesome to watch!
I've heard of this story before but not in this much details and omg it really felt nostalgic... and heartwarming. :)
There is actually NPC text at some point in legion or BFA where Eitrigg mentions Tirion I think, it might have been after Tirion died? I'm surprised it wasn't in this video I was expecting that to be the ending lol
Usage of the wow charecters is top tier as always
I love this neat little character driven story. I was fully invested with the Tirion's struggle. WoW needs more stories like that and less "cosmic end of the world monster" stories.
If I worked at Blizzard I would higher you to do in-game lore recaps for the Explores League.
All the lore from back them was amazing...such a shame the blizzard we have now simply ignored and destroyed all that past history
As someone who has played WCIII and every WoW expansion to date, I never did get into the books. Maybe I'm a bit biased against the potential quality of books based on a game franchise, maybe I think that I shouldn't have to branch out into other media to know the full story of a game - I'm not sure.
But watching you bring these stories to life is absolutely wonderful. I really appreciate you branching out to explore the tidbits of lore from the Warcraft novels, comics, and other media that supplement the game's lore. I've watched the quality of your writing and machinima skills really blossom over the last couple years of watching your channel, and I always look forward to your releases, because you constantly manage to surprise a 20-year Warcraft veteran with things he never knew about his own favorite fictional universe. (Not to mention that I love your well-timed, abrupt sense of humor and levity that you include even in "serious" story moments.)
Know that you are a great storyteller in your own right, and the passion you have in your work is easy to see and a pleasure to experience. Cheers!
I always loved this story. Loved your rendition of it! It's a shame Tirion is dead and Eitrigg so badly written. They should've been the poster boys for the Horde/Alliance truce.
Hello, Mister Platinum.
Im been watching your vids for some time now. Some i watched more than once. Ive been dealing with depression and exaution due to my job. But your vids always helps me relax and feel better.
Your content, along with other warcraft youtubers been helping me alot.
Thank you , Platinum, for helping me knowing that, even in my darkest days , i can play a Wow lore video and relax for a moment.
I remember lending an anthology of 3 or 4 wow novels packed in 1 massive book to me schoolmates back in 2002/2003. This story definitely stood out (Thrall&Blackmoore too) especially for a close friend who was a fan of Tirion all the way back when we quested in vanilla EPL. Legion did our boy in like a wet fart to give all paladins their own Ashbringer. What a goddamn farce.
Great Video as always Platinum. Though to be fair, from what I can remember the first time the Horde & Alliance worked together was during the Second War, so before "Of Blood and Honor." In both Warcraft II and later (though the events were changed and re-contextualized to be Less traitorous) in the novel "Beyond the Dark Portal." The Laughing Skull Clan never really liked the other clans and saw the War going south, so they stole the Book of Medivh from Ner'zhul's Stronghold and gave it to the Sons of Lothar in exchange as payment for the Alliance helping them secure the pass across Blade's Edge Mountains and destroying Thunderlord Stronghold. This book obviously is what Khadgar later used to seal the Dark Portal and also why in Outland the Stronghold was occupied by ogres and the ghost of Garm Wolfbrother, its last Chieftain, sulked about.
Arthas doing the thriller for half a second got me rolling lmao
What a way to start the day
I've stopped playing WoW in early Cata, yet I watch every video produced by this channel.
Blood Elves teamed up with Humans: "To be honest we're mostly fine with this."
Orcs teamed up with Draenai: "This is awkward, sorry about destroying your home and uhh curse you for also destroying alternate draenor...?"
Gilnean teamed up with Forsaken: "Yea uhh they killed one another not entirely why anyone thought this team up wouldn't end in disaster..."
Orcs and Draenei at least could work because that old chad Velen recognized that the Horde is no longer what is used to be.
Now Forsaken, well...
Trying to make the Gnomes and Goblins work together will result in the heat death of Azeroth, either through conflict or cooperation
Family reunion between people from Gilneas City and from the former Gilnean fiefdoms in Silverpine
Sylvanas’ greatest crime was not finishing off the furries off for good the first time
the only logical conclusion is that the Forsaken have no future. Neither on Arzeroth or anywhere else.
Actually, they should all die because they simply don't fit into the world or the universe of the living and they are antipoles that only cause problems in the long run simply through their existence.
Blood elves have been in league with humans for hundreds of years.
Just because a human had an aversion to high elves, 99.999% of all high elves decided against the humans and thus also against the alliance. Even though I like Warcraft 3 very much, that was very stupid from Blizzard back then. Believe in Warcraft 3 it was just a group of high elves too. Doesn't even mean all. Well, the Horde needed elves and people like to change the lore, even if it's completely nonsense.
Orcs are generally portrayed far too well. Even when they didn't drink demon blood, they were barbarians and did cruel things.
One tries for years now to change the orcs into the good ones and that they were only victims. But the truth is different. Ultimately, it's their own fault for destroying their world.
And now you have a right to live on Arzeroth and be left in peace, having fought two wars against the inhabitants there and been the clear invaders? xD
They should learn from the draeneis. This is how you behave when you are a guest on a planet.
The book is older than me @-@
And I can drink next month.
Hey the production value on your videos is astonishing and I feel like it goes under appreciated. Great stuff man.
Ive watched your videos since the pandemic, and thought I’ve seen all of them as they are uploaded. This one slipped past me, and I’m glad I finally got to watch it.
I think this is one of the best videos I watched from you. I wish this work could be funded to the capacity of it being a series that explores everything that the MMORPG lacks. On a consistent schedule as well. Books are a great supplement, but your visual storytelling is so complementary to the… adventure game/video game aspect that Warcraft is built on.
I finally subbed. WoW’s impact on my life has always been a lesser known side of me for many reasons. The videos you make is reason enough for me to think that the Warcraft universe is indeed as bad ass as something like LOTR and GOT. Thanks for your time.
This is a fantastic video! Well done, killed it as always!
Wow they snuck a broke back mountain into my Warcraft. Cool.
Sigh* I wish we still had lord Rexxcraft to craft a beautiful animation for that. RIP to the king T_T
That was awesome to see an old story animated! Love your videos! I hope to see more like it.
You're the only reason why I still pay attention to wow. Thank you for your uploads.
I was 16 when this book released and I remember reading the story when WoW came out
Dude! Great Job again. You are a Legend^^
Love this WoW Lore machinima stuff so much :)
Man I really wasn't ready for that 1:45 reveal, I nearly fell off my chair laughing
Eitrigg was also one of the Warrior hall champions (Horde only) that you unlocked during the Tomb of Sargeras patch and oddly enough, when you encounter him as a non-warrior player, his npc skin and name were of a brown skin warsong orc and not a dark skin blackrock orc
Dude, is sooooo freaking good to see good old lore being animated like this! This is like a treat to old veteran players, after what we saw, especially, in current expansion (SL).
p.s. You could have used better looking armor for a Lord Pala like Tirion.
I always really loved this story, they did Tirion so wrong in the expansions, he's still one of my favorite Characters and I always did his quest chain on every single alt, RIP Taelan
Wonderful. Maybe my favourite video of wow ever. 11 out of 10. Maybe the horde really is honorable after all. (15 years if playing).
Phenomenal content. I love your lore videos. My favorite story telling series :)
The handshake was so epic
The effort and love you put into your videos is so inspiring. Thanks for everything you do PW
Yet again, platinum puts out some PLATINUM content.
bruh that animation for the book cover is top notch
I'm very mad that I didn't know you had a video out, it's time I've been waiting so long
There is a broken tower between Soutb Shore and Terren Mill.
THAT is the tower from this story.
Oh man thank you, I do remember this story but I love the way you portrayed it. It has always been one of my favorite WoW stories.
Amazing content, thank you for your great work, Plat. :)
Dude what an EPIC video!! The battles, the music, all animations! Well fucking done man. Amazing job.
that animated book cover should be a wallpaper on wallpaper engine.
Boy is this an old classic. Thanks for making a video on it, Tirion is one of my favourite WoW characters. Pre-Cata warcraft lore is the best.
THE HAND GRAB FLEX DESTROYED ME.
I heard about this story first when i read up on Tiron's lore and honestly i'm really glad to see more of it come to light. It's easily one of my favorite stories told~
Thank you for keeping my old passion for Warcraft alive with those amazingly edited videos.
It means a lot to me.
I've watched a few of your videos over the last couple of days and this was the one that made me sub. I love the story of Tirion and Eitrigg and you did it more justice that the games did. Also Arthas dancing made me spit my drink.
Really love platinum´s videos
Wtf a Platinum WoW video ??? and it is a new one!? Holy shit, saving this til tonight when I'm snacking
I just got home at 1 am, after work, I started playing wow and listening to your video, as always so relaxing. You really deserve a position at Blizzard.
i really enjoy the way you put these things together with the animations brother many thanks for the righteous content
This is the kind of stuff that made Warcraft lore so good.
A bunch of relatively small scale micro stories, that all tie back into a much larger macro story
Now it feels like every character arc exists solely to set up the next big setpiece
Tirion was so honorable that the Silver Hand excommunicated him, but they couldn’t take away his connection to the Light. 💪🏻
I would love to add, at Tirion's Trial, a junior Paladin spoke dismissively of Tirion after he left, only for Uther to lambast the Paladin for it. Uther might not have understood why Tirion did what he did, but still respected him.
Im not one to immerse in warcraft lore. But this video was actually awesome lol. The schwarzenegger handshake from Predator had me dying lol