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I'd actually argue the opposite, Blizzard and Activision are extremely Horde BIAS, and portray the Alliance as the ever constant weak 'Underdog' faction, despite the fact that they claim The Horde to be so called 'Underdog' faction.
Love the discussion. I personally hate blizzard saying they will make things not black and white and then they always end up making it black and white. I think they are missing a huge trick moving away from Greymane being more aggro. They need more corruption in the alliance and multiple people looking to gain control or out for their own interests. Not just big bad horde. Horde is filled with so many races who's views aren't looked at still. Been far too focused on the orcs and undead. I really want to see them redevelop home cities for each faction. Give each faction the home cities they have been fighting to get back on both sides. Really wish they would stop adding allied races no one cares about. And add playable races already well established in the lore and give them proper starter areas like tradition races. No more neutral races who can be on both sides.
Yeah considering the weakened state of the undead and the fact the gilnian resistence already controls most of gilneas at this point. I'm honestly surprised he's even willing to wait for the undead to just simply leave when he can just invade with his remaining troops and simply retake the rest of it. It's not like the undead are going to be willing to fight another war agienst the alliance.
@@Demicleas Since he knows that they're leaving the city, there is no point in going on the offensive and potentially losing people for no reason to get what he's already going to get. He's not an idiot.
@@MJG206 actually its green jesus is right and finally human leadership agrees until crisis is over than orcs and horde go back to being enemies, but sylv and grom didn't help with their skewered visions of what the horde should be despite everyone else in the horde disagreeing with them
@@MJG206that’s funny because even in Lord of The Clans thrall breaks free and then immediately starts ordering his Horde to stop killing humans because he wants to get some human tang on his green wang. Then in Warcraft 3 he meets jaina and he’s been the alliance’s whipping boy ever since
Okay but how is Cata alliance biased? That's the most Horde centered expansion we've had. Worgen got shafted by goblins, having hardly any focus and being nearly absent outside of the starting zone. Thrall was the main character, and the alliance didn't really do anything besides get kicked by Garrosh while Jaina simped over Thrall.
Cata was neutral based. With Jaina being made a bad guy for a while. And its the only xpac where Horde were more like good guys. Every other xpac, Alliance was favored.
@@Swarmah Of course. They were the good guys. They destroyed only southshore, silverwind refuge, and a few other Alliance settlements. Remember the tree in Stonetalon? Did you play the game? BTW, Jaina is "bad guy" in MoP (if bad guy means you try to respond to an actual genocide with attempted genocide and finally stop without doing it).
@@Swarmah Cataclysm was neutral? What about that Horde quest by Thralls girlfriend so he can "find himself"? Hmmmmmm? The Horde world shaman and strongest shaman on earth having a pow wow with the dragons and saving the world from Deathwing.
@@notoriousbig3k the orc that led the horde from the interment camps, welcomed the forsaken, helped the Darkspear and Tauren, who was also warchief and selected a warchief. Not to mention a hero among the Horde who will be welcomed should he choose to claim it again. Yes that guys is neutral and has absolutely nothing to do with the Horde. During cataclysm he simply had to focus on "saving the world" thing but Thrall will always be Horde.
Why is the internment camps a crime? It's either Slaughter or in the dungeons, internment camps are humane. I'm a horde junkie, but the Orcs we're blessed to be in internment camps for what they've done, and what they were prone and capable of committing.
For real, an alien force of monsters decides to invade your world and you put them into camps instead of slaughtering them on the spot? How is that a crime?
Alliance don't murder their victims. Yes over zealous Alliance did have gladiator matches and not humanely treat the Orcs. But they were fed clothed and sheltered. Before they broke out and formed another Horde.
They weren’t fed like and clothed like y’all think read lord of the clans and you’ll see they were starved forces to live in three own shit, death would’ve been more honorable
@@kagekurasu3579 maybe they shouldn’t have been apart of an invading alien force that tried to decimate a foreign land? They were treated to human stands of honor and that’s not dying lol
@@kagekurasu3579 Starving is a common tactic to break their spirit, and ensure they don't have the strength to break free. If death was more honorable, why did they surrender in the first place, 🤣. It was all probably in retrospect, but the Alliance had modern moral codes, while Orc's had a medieval one. If anything, the only bad part in it was that the Alliance imposed their moral onto the Orcs by letting them live 🤷
Depends how you wanna define it. The Horde tends to always take an active role, while the Alliance merely just reacts to what other powers do. The Alliance is actually quite passive, compared to the Horde. Being active feels much more empowering, so you could argue, the Horde bias has been quite strong since Cataclysm, effectively meaning, for the majority of the game's lifetime.
@@bobothehippo and alliance are with limit intelligent, they can't fix the weak plague gas in gnome city for years, the undead cured there city just after the war
@@bobothehippo what about gilneas? They were nuteral and yet the horde still attacked. The horde will always be the aggreser when it comes to certain races.
@@bobothehippo Alliance HELP "the good Horde" defeat "the bad Horde". Which Horde city was stormed? SHow me a movie or anything showing Alliance troops in Horde city.
Blizzard devs don't like to write for Alliance. They declared that in some interviews. So all they do they make Alliance punch bag of Horde at the beginning of every "battle" expansion, then Horde breaks up and Alliance "wins" by helping the "good Horde" defeat the "bad Horde". Of course Alliance needs to "win" (Show me any Alliance victory in the game), because they are the stupid ones. The ones to "forgive and forget". If Horde wins, and Stormwind looks like Theramore and Ironforge looks like Teldrassil, there is now Wow anymore.
I have to agree here, thinking back the only real Alliance victory we've had is the Arathi highlands, Lorewise... SoO was a joined effort to defeat Garrosh Battle for Lordaeron, no one won as the entire kingdom got Blighted, and then later reclaimed by the forsaken with no contest. Darkshore was a Victory but land was basically completely ruined.
@@BlackMrMax All Horde victories are in the game. For Alliance ones, you need to buy books. They said that Alliance won in Arathi and darkshore. But I don't see that in the game.
Problem is, after everything the Horde has done, it'll be hard not to think that the Alliance has some justification for it; even Yrel has valid reason to get violent after living on a death world like AU Draenor and her experiences at the hands of the Iron HORDE.
Yrel takes it further by starting a Fanatical Crusade to Absorb all of the remaining races of Draenor into the Light or be Purged turning the remaining Orc tribes into refugees / resistance fighters
@@WilliamWolfFace The Ogres joined because they saw the Draenei as the winning side (and look like they have a "Cycle of revenge" situation with the Orcs) and were certainly not peaceful beforehand with the Gorian Empire, there was no sign of the Arrakoa despite them having some connection to the Light, not sure about the Saberon and do you think the Botani can do peaceful co-existence given a method of reproduction reminiscent of the xenomorphs?
@@notoriousbig3k While you're right, it's also true that Blizzard doesn't care much for lore or consistency beyond their edgy Creator's Pets (looking at you Sylvanas and Illidan) or the flavor of the month.
Well considering the only Horde race that didn't commit war crime after war crime are the Tauren, it's hard to imagine the Horde as anything but the bad guys.
Because before Legion Turalyon wasn't written as a Light fanatic but rather a pragmatic with decent head between his shoulders who still believed in the Light. Then came Legion/Chronicles rewrites that utterly destroyed his character to be this the bestest Light worshipper evar from ground up and suddenly he was more pious than Uther. To quote Khadgar from Tides of Darkness novel with his first assessment of Turalyon: “The least of them [the original Paladins of the Silver Hand] in faith, and thus the highest in my eyes. He was trained for the priesthood and is a loyal Church follower but lacks the blinding zeal of the others. He also sees farther than them, and has more wit.” Meanwhile this is Alonsus Faol's assessment in the Before the Storm after the Legion rewrite: "The Light needed champions who could fight with both the weapons of humanity and the love and power of the Light. The others were strongest with the first and came to the Light later. You were the opposite.”
@@toxicwhiteGermanmale I get Anduin. He’s tired of the fighting and war and death and the constant wondering whether those close to him are gonna return because the big mad green people and the walking corpses across the way don’t like him. And he’s grown a lot since he was a kid.
Indeed... In Warcraft 3 we saw that evolution: a more good Horde and Daelin as the aggressor (and with things like the Scourge, the Legion, etc. there're worse enemies than the other faction). Then we got back to the "good Alliance vs Evil Horde". Remember in Wrath when VARIAN started the Alliance-Horde War. By the time of Cata that war was stopped offscreen and Garrosh re ignited it offscreen, just to have the Horde as the bad guys. Instead of the BS that was BfA (that led to an even greater BS with shadowlands), we could've had Greymane as the aggressor. It wouldn't make him a bad guy since Greymane has solid reasons to hate Sylvanas and wanting to go war against her. At the same time the Horde would've solid reasons to fight back.
@@hannesromhild8532 I just played the game and remember when Varian declared war ;) The whole questline was removed after Wrath, with the old world revamp, but you can still play it in Wrath classic. And in the Founding of Durotar campaign, ALLIANCE was the aggressor.
@@gaurok You mean after the wrathgate? You know the battle where the Horde backstabed them and killed an army under Bolvar Fordragon. The entire thing was an act of war against the alliance already. Varian acted acordingly to this undeclared agression from a Horde faction born from a horde internal power struggle. So no the Agressor was clearly still the Horde. As for Theramore and Daelins actions. From his perspective (and the entire Alliance for that matter) they where still at war with Thralls Horde. A war mind you that Thrall started by attacking the camps bach in Lordaeron. Oh and Daelin was absolutly right as Jaina found out the hard way. There is no peace with the Horde. It is bsically an Alien Invassion force with some local allies.
@@hannesromhild8532 yes, the Wrathgate, where the Horde fought side by side with the Alliance, but Legion worshippers lead by Putress backstabbed and killed Horde and Alliance soldiers aswell.
@@gaurok As i said a horde internal power struggle. Putress was still a horde member. So it was a attack on Alliance forces by a horde force. It doesn't matter to the alliance what the horde does internaly. The Horde backstabs the Alliance every time they try to work together. Like on the Broken shore aswell. Every war between the two was always started by the Horde. The Alliance should have destroyed them decades ago.
"the alliance did do bad things but most of the time it was justified" I don't know, I can think of two examples we see in Pandaria that nobody seems to talk about 1. the Admiral at the beginning ordering her men to shoot down Peons whom were surrendering and were unarmed. They were desperately trying not to drown and would've done anything for that not to happen 2. If you play as the Horde side, you take over an Alliance Airbase that has Pandaran Slaves working on it. Both adults and children. In fact, one of your missions is to save them. there we are, two war crimes off the top of my head in one expansion that can't really be justified (unless you wanna go down the Sha argument, which just makes it worse in my honest opinion). Lets not even mention that Jaina wanted nothing more than for Varian to attack the Horde Leaders and kill them at them end of the expansion.
@@issstari954 uh the interment camps where actually made to avoid genociding the orcs who by that point and even now still have far far more innocent blood on their hands then the alliance ever will. They committed genocide on Stormwind’s population during the 1st war. Tried to do it to dwarves, high/blood elves, helped deathwing basically SA Alexstrasza and enslave the red dragons to use as war mounts plus before even that the Horde committed the brutal genocide of the Draenei (which you find the evidence for in Outland as the road to the dark portal in hellfire peninsula is made of Draenei bones) So don’t act like humans don’t have a reason to despise the orcs. But the camps’ alternative was the eradication of all orcs on Azeroth. The high/blood elves wanted that as did many human kingdoms who suffered from the orcs brutal conquest
If the Horde wanted to run the show, they could. They have some of the finest military minds in Azeroth in their leadership, seasoned and respected. If they got Alliance to fight them on Kalimdor- and only Kalimdor. The Horde got their asses whipped at Darkshore because 1. that is the night elves' home and 2. they're pretty sick and tired of having their home destroyed. The night elves are on par with orcs with how savagely they fight. During Warcraft 3 the orcs are in awe of the Sentinels. Can you imagine if the orcs arrived from the Dark Portal into Kalimdor instead of Eastern Kingdoms? That invasion would have been crushed in a week.
Kalimdor is huge, the horde would have whole armies of allied or enslaved quillboar, murlocs, trolls and centaur invading the NE. I think either way the first invasion would be destructive to the ones being invaded.
They're not. Just because the Alliance are the good guys, doesn't mean Blizzard is being biased. The Horde still get the plot focus most of the time, with a lot of main characters being either from the Horde, or Horde races.
The Alliance are only the "good guys" because they don't get to do much of anything and are pretty much kept as a passive side faction in a telenovela pretty much centered around the Horde (who are the only ones allowed to take an active role and drive the story). Blizzard definitely favors the Horde
Ahhh so that explains why the Alliance ALWAYS wins? and why trolls get shafted expansion to expansion, and why Alliance has nicer city layouts, and the fact that they have more viable allied races, and the fact that humans have overloaded racials. Gotcha
Alliance winning every AV beginning of classic - Blizz nerfs gate opening of alliance Alliance finds shortcut when running to drek - Blizz removes shortcut with invisible wall Alliance starts using AV premades- Blizz removes queing as raid in AV Alliance uses queue-spies to find an empty bg - Blizz removes ability to join a certain AV Alliance uses premades in other bgs- blizz removes any premade other than 5-man Horde wins every AV after ally nerfs - BLizz doesn´t care at all (98% win ratio for horde after ally nerfs) Horde has got insanely overpowered racials - Blizz acknowledge but doesn´t change anything Horde has got long queue times to BGs because their faction make up 60% of the playerbase - blizz insta solves problem by allowing same faction bgs Horde complains about human racial in wotlk - Blizz makes faction change avaible for horde and contemplates allowing players to "pick" their racials in arenas Horde finds shortcut to Vandar - Blizz decides to keep it (edit) Apart from storytelling, which is actually dead in WoW.. I mean once the warcraft stories ended so did the lore of WoW... the horde as so INSANELY favoured. There´s a reason horde´s been the most played faction since classic launch but blizz didn´t see a problem until their favourite faction started whining about allies having some sort of advantage.
Well I can't blame the alliance for feeling shafted alot, specially recently, we gotten few unique races, we merely got allied races that were better off as skin options for said races. We got to many peaceful leaders, it if we got hateful leaders, they tend to be too forgiving...
We still got some potential for conflict with the Night Elves, Dark Irons, Worgen and the Lightforged. The Night Elves likely still have some warmongers like Maiev, the Worgen should inherently be savage as we were promised back in Cataclysm, the Dark Irons are warlike by nature and may need to "prove" their allegiance to the Alliance and then the Lightforged because of their fanatism and dominating tendencies. Their leaders might be wet cloths at times, but the people are hardly like that.
@@tatalsaba Ya but let's be honest. Blizzard is barely gonna touch that subject and make them peacebloom picking pansy's that yells at someone for stepping on a flower they liked. Except the dark irons, they're just gonna be fire dwarves...
@@Hawkens4k Yeah, sadly that's true. Blizzard doesn't go into really interesting stories with nuance when they can make a big show with a flimsy halfbaked story and a cardboard hero that can do no wrong.
@@tatalsaba tbf the Dark Irons already showed loyalty in one of the MoP scenarios where the Dark Irons stepped up to rescue Anduin when the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers we're having second thoughts on the situation
I would like to make the counterpoint that the sheer number of people I met who play the horde because it is the bad guy faction is wild. I honestly think there would be a considerable chunk of the horde playerbase that would flip if they were legitimately made the good guys (maybe not the majority, but you will definitely be hearing about it). Same sort of thing with Star Wars, you can make there be sympathetic or reasonable sith, but people would not be happy if SWTOR did an expansion where the Republic was outright the villain and the sith were outright the heroes
This is exactly right. Nobody complains in SWTOR that the Empire are the perceived bad guys because, well, they're the Empire. A lot of people didn't like that the Empire and the Republic teamed up in the Knights expansions. I can't imagine the outrage if there was an expansion that cast the Republic as the big bad. At the end of the day, the only "faction favor" that matters is what the in-game experience is for players depending on the faction they play. It's got to be a nightmare to try to balance it. Unless you play both factions equally, I don't think you can really say with certainty. I will say that the fact that the majority of people playing Horde is a good indicator that Alliance isn't getting favored by the dev team in that respect. I don't know whether horde are getting favored and I, frankly, don't care.
Funny that you mention faction player count. On my realm, Aman'Thul, its 76%/24% in favour of Alliance. 22,739 Alliance, 7289 Horde. Total opposite of other realms it seems.
@@bobothehippo Also helped the developers of the game were horde Biased and they went as far as to give horde blood elves to up the player base. (Big surprise no one wants to play a Cow or smelly angry orc) Also helps that all the lore paints you as the under dogs and you had the best racials from TBC until current :P
Player Ration shouldn't be use for this argument because it doesn't affect the story. Also Player Ration is based on the time and date, and realms, so you should use a Neutral Ration that check every single dates and realms in one. Also a lot of Let's Play and Stream in Exile's Reach are in Alliance side, and very rare in Horde side, so it seem people play Alliance more that Horde.
It kinda seemed telling to me that in BFA it would have been possible to change it up and make it more balanced, even with Slyvannas going bonkers and monstrous. And it would have been do-able with one key change. Make Undercity fall BEFORE the attack on the Night Elf lands. It wouldn't be all that hard to push it in with pre-existing strife between the Worgen (and their closely aligned Night Elves) and the Foresaken, Greymane being a bit warhawkish, and Anduin initially being a reluctant leader. It was once a human capital and they even had an Alliance-friendly member of the Royal family which could be seen as being installed to the throne in a legitimate move. Undercity gets destroyed and this not only drives many of the Foresaken into a hate filled indignation, but also causes the rest of the Horde to lash out at the nearest target they have. Which leads to the Night Elves being targeted and the atrocities therein. It wouldn't be shifting the blame per se, but it would give valid nuance to the conflict and a possible catalyst for the current warchief going as far as she did in vengeance.
I am SO TIRED of hearing about how Horde outnumbers Alliance. Apparently I play on the only non RP server where it's 87% Alliance and 13% Horde. As a Horde player I have to wait in queues forever, am constantly losing tags in Zereth Mortis to the mass of Allies moving from place to place, etc. I don't know what this imbalance is everyone is talking about because I have always experienced it the other way around. I know I'm in the minority but I think some people forget that there isn't ALWAYS more Horde than Alliance.
idk man, the horde always had poor leadership since thrall left the horde, garrosh wasnt good, voljin promised going back at the ol' good ways, then sylvanas got put on there and burned a tree and killed her own people, after that looks like nobody freaking knows what to do with the horde.
remember Legion, Basically all the story is about the alliance, I know that some characters are "neutral" but about races... at the end the story was about a Draenei (Velen) a night elf (Illidan) and humans (Khadgar / Turalyon) saving the entire world :v
Most of that is not Alliance. Khadgar and Illidan are not part of the Alliance but rather their own factions. Just because they share a race with an alliance race does not change anything. That's like saying it was Horde focused because of Guldan. We also had Nightborne and HM Tauren with their zones and story, in comparison it was a single night elf zone and the Lightforged stuff. Most of what people consider "Alliance" based stuff is actually neutral and have been for all of WoW's life. This is not a Thrall situation where everyone knows he's really Horde, and as we seen he returns to the Horde.
If you base favoritism solely on who is the good guys sure, if you look at compelling story, cosmetic items (Especially effort put into said cosmetic items) and who the actual developers show a preference for before the company likely made devs be less open about that, then the Horde are favored
I disagree It would get rid of the last thing that makes the Alliance the Alliance Its stability the fact that unlike the horde the bonds of the Alliance were not forged for a need to survive and meek out a existence The Alliance was forged not only through conflict but times of peace and mutual understanding. That is what makes the Alliance great and by taking that away your just getting rid of what makes the Alliance Unique
Truth is, there already is conflict within the Alliance. However, they deal with it in a different way than the Horde does. Where the Horde is more likely to start rebellions and infight with Mak'gorah and the like. The Alliance investigates the issue, looks for alternative solutions through communication within the right sources, and deals with it in a diplomatic manner. Currently the biggest conflicts the Alliance has faced in recent times, is the instability of the Alliance and the Kaldorei. But also the fact that Turalyon for some reason was chosen to be the Regent while Anduin is MIA, when there are clearly a need of a Council made by the remaining Alliance Faction leaders, where Genn would represent the humans and worgens alike. While Turalyon is a capable man, he is priest, a paladin who has been away for decades, the Alliance he joined isn't the one he knows. He is as well influenced heavily by the light, which many in warcraft universe, aside from the players, have now learned, may not be as "good" as originally thought. Certainly, it ain't physical conflict, but there shouldn't happen much before it would become so, was it not for the political work done behind the scenes.
@@BlackMrMax the allaince uses corruption inuence money businesses lands economical crysy pandemics assassinations threats ... negotiations bruh they are very unstable so the horde is atm
@@notoriousbig3k You wanna talk Corruption, money businesses, And assassinations and pandemics? Goblins are by Lore the most greedy race in the world, and will put a price on anything, they ain't outside the use of Assassins either and as for corruption and pandemics, there are the Forsaken, plague, blight, you name it. There was a entire cinematic of the Forsaken trying to assassinate Thrall and Saurfang. For not to speak of the most recent MASSIVE assassination quest the Horde had to Slaughter Astranaar. Where the Alliance is not without their own faults, I would love to know where you have witnessed the Alliance starting pandemics, or influenced money businesses.
I agree, the Horde is positioned as the aggressors more often than not. I eventually moved to the Alliance (though I play both factions) because I didn't like the aggressive and often destructive nature of the Horde. I think the Horde was at it's best when Thrall was the leader and the difference between the factions was more or less cultural. Having so many crazy leaders for the Horde and the Undead essentially acting like the Scourge just with "free will" essentially makes the Horde the "bad guys". Add in the fact that throughout the game the Orcs have expanded their territory and pushed to cut down Night Elf forests and it still feels like an overall invasion from the First War, just without the demons hidden in the background. Overall I think that World of Warcraft has become a bit of a convoluted mess. I still enjoy the game but I think the story could benefit from a small dose of simplification. The Horde and Alliance fighting is fine but the purpose needs to be believable. Fighting over resources is a very real world example of why conflict between factions starts. Just some random thoughts, the longer Warcraft as a franchise persists the more I think they're getting further and further away from the roots of where the story started (thinking of Warcraft 3 with Arthus, Thrall and all the other groups back then). I'm worried that we'll cross over to a point where the story is so convoluted that it no longer makes sense and that revisiting moments in the history is actually not fun. Lastly I'll say that it would be interested to revisit each faction's identity as individuals. I want more dwarven, elven, orcish and so forth experiences that matter. The homelands of each race are essentially relegated to outdated newbie gardens and I think it's time to infuse new life into those locals and maybe create some inter-faction tension.
Let's be real, this isn't the horde's fault, but the forsaken's. I mean, the forsaken are definetly the bad guys here, they commited most of the war crimes
In the past we’ve seen humans prone to bigotry towards other races (that’s what drove the Blood Elves to the Horde) we’ve seen stuff like Forsaken entering Stormwind only to not return. We’ve seen uncompromising aggression from the Night Elves when they saw the Orcs cutting down the tree. In one Dranni quest a Dranie character executes a blood elf for mocking the Nauru so there’s religious fanaticism which they could’ve shown with humans too and then Dwarfs disregarded shaman races with their mining. Blizzard just kinda forgot this stuff and made Alliance the Captain America faction. You can make a a faction good at it’s core while showing darker elements
With the draenei killing that blood elf commander when he was mocking the naaru, you left out the part where immediately before, the dude said his forces were going to commit genocide against the draenei and laughed in their face while saying it.
The "Alliance baised" think was something that bring me in BfA to the Horde. I start with Legion but BfA was the expansion, that I really start with and play it complete. But I knew some story befor I start and learn more about it, while I was playing. And I hated it, how Blizzard treat the Horde. And then they do it again in BfA. Of course it was the Horde that, again, break apart, of course it was the Horde that, again, lose a leader, of course it was the Horde that, again, get besieged, again we stand at the gates of Orgrimmar. Of course the Allaince win both warfronts. On the Horde side, 2 people die. Rastakhan and Saurfang. The Alliance even got someone back with Jainas brother. So yeah, BfA feels like pure pro Allaince. Thats why I now feel way more on the side of the Horde. Because its so annoying and unfair, how Blizzard tread them. And because it looks like the war between these 2 factions are really over, we never get the siege of Stormwind. So the war, of course, ends with a second one of Orgrimmar. I hate it, how the Horde is most shown as the evil race and every time it looks like it will be better, Blizzard again make it worse. I mean in the guide for WoW, there is even written that most of the Orcs had enough of all the war and battles and want to return to their "shamanistic roots". Where is that in WoW? The only one who has done at some point is Thrall. You see nothing of a Horde that at least try to don't make war anymore. It often really feels like Blizzard is really bad in writing story. I mean just take a look ant BfA. It feels like a second MoP. I just hope it will be better in the future and maybe we finally get an Expansion, where the Horde is the one, who safe the day.
Doing a lore dive and and from a outside view comparing to other series. From start of WoW on, the Game unfairly biased towards the Alliance and even by it's own lore, let alone removing forced narrative, the Horde shouldn't even still exist while Gods bow at the feet of the Alliance.
Warcraft 1 barely had a story. I think the Horde's redemption was well done until Warcraft 3, WoW over the span of 2 decades kinda ruined that a little.
In terms of Lore, the Horde have always been the 'bad guys' lol. The High Elves were always kinda scummy, the Trolls, Orcs, Forsaken, essentially every single Race except the Tauren/HIgh Mountain Tauren seem to be barbaric, brutal and extremely aggressive. On the other hand, while most Alliance Races have their issues, a lot of them fall into the Orderly Good camp. At least theoretically? Are Gnomes Orderly Good? Feels like they're supposed to be, though they usually act a bit neurotic and crazy lol. The surviving humans are basically just Stormwind and Kul Tiras at this point. Most of the scummier humans became Forsaken or died in Lordaeron during the Scourge lol. The Night Elves can go either way. Most of them are very kind, gentle and even a bit naive. If they had the choice, they'd just stay in their peaceful forests for another 10000 years, but the Horde managed to piss them over again and again until they snapped lol.
The last unforgiving Alliance side or more accurately a character who's origin came from the Alliance was the Lich king, then we really didn't get much else from Alliance borders. Granted yes, the faction of the Alliance did fight against the lich King and yes the Lich King's faction would be scourge, but its also the closest we got to an Alliance villain that is well known to my knowledge.
Alliance bias? Coming from a Horde player, that's rich 😹 Blizz treat the Horde as the protagonists of the game, the Alliance is a passive side character in the narrative, always reacting to what the Horde does, what the Horde drives... You could paint that as the Alliance being the "good guys", but the Horde is still the protagonist of this telenovela...
on thing that annoys me is that alliance dont seem to loose their leaders. all original horde leaders from vanilla wow is gone. (thrall is still alive but turned into a an insignificant wet noodle) belfs are the only ones that have its original leader still in position. zandalari lost their leader in the first content patch of the expansion they where introduced. while jaina was left alive desite being fought in the same raid.
I laughed hard when I saw the title. Very funny! Try playing a random BG on alliance and get crit from range by a shaman chain lightning combo and go poof! Then they can heal themselves or their team right after that! But yeah, Blizzard was biased against horde! Don't get me started on the horde racials. Orc 25% passive stun resist?!?!? Damn, Blizzard! How you hate those orcs by giving them the ability to not be stunlocked by rogues!🙄 Anyway, I am talking about vanilla classic wow, which I'm playing now. Try it on alliance, then be rdy to quit after losing 90% of random bg's...
@@099Nitro The most played doesn't mean the best in my opinion. I like roleplaying as a member of the Frostwolf or Shadowmoon clans. And they look cool af. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good. Pop music is the most listened to, but Metal is the best, duh.
@@099Nitro Blood Elf RP might be dead, but I'm still having fun with RP in general. I've got a human mage, called HairyPothead. For shts and giggles. I'm not the type to optimise the fun out of gaming.
Alliance biased? Have these people not seen the game population? The biggest issue with the alliance is we certainly don't lose our leaders to 'corruption' but we also never have our characters do anything. The Horde gets to run around beating up the alliance, killing, maiming, and getting to do cool shit. The Alliance just gets to cleanup. Yet some Horde still feel they need even more as the population of the Alliance basically dies. It's insane.
I see it as Blizzard being biased towards the Alliance for the fact that the Horde is always the ones starting conflicts, either within themselves or with the Alliance. The Horde is portrayed as always being the bad guys while the Alliance are always the good guys who do nothing wrong. Even within the Alliance there is no conflict within themselves, when Varian died they could had a conflict/discussion to decide who would lead the Alliance as a whole but no they all somehow decided Anduin would do it just for being Varians son. There is no "drama" within them even though they are formed by a bunch of pretty diverse races with different cultures, morals, believes, etc
@@silverspear21 yes, he has the right to rule the human kingdom of Stormwind, the Alliance is a "organization" formed by different kingdoms and races. So it's pretty much different in terms of leadership Edit: Varian was chosen to be the leader of the Alliance, he didn't inherited that title from his father
The Horde was screwed from the start. When you put self insert characters into positions of power it’s a recipe for disaster. Thrall Metzen is just like his dad Chris. He will run away when things get tough, push responsibility onto others, refuse to take accountability and learns nothing because he perceives himself as perfect. So while the Alliance has consolidated power since classic the Horde has constantly been shooting itself in the foot and then complaining about how bad it hurts. We finally had a Warchief who made progress and he’s been the only leader we kill because he knocked down jaina’s sand castle. But nobody talks about her massacre of blood elves in neutral territory despite them surely surrendering and begging for mercy. Nobody wants to address the Man’ari who caused untold suffering to worlds beyond count. Nobody wants to mention the Lightbound who genocided every living thing on a planet that didn’t submit to the Light. There is absolutely no way the Horde can survive now without groveling and submitting to Alliance subjugation
Hord has their dam logo built into the world. They got a free mount that alliance had to pay for. They got a brand new race instead of an allied race. Lol it goes both ways
Nice to see not another Paladin video. Horde has always been the bad guys. Their history of atrocities is evidence of this. Sacrifice Draenai children just to get to Azeroth. The Wrathgate plague, destroying the vale thingy of the Pandarens, killing horde soldiers and forcing them into undead at battle for Undercity, forcing undeath on to humans because forsaken can't reproduce (very Scourge of them), horde aggression is something that has to be kept in check. Slaughtering prisoners of war when they win, and on and on.
Purge of Dalaran was in retaliation to the Horde violating the neutrality of Dalaran this drawing first blood and turning it into yet another battleground. The Horde also brought the war to Pandaria feeding the Sha and leading to the Pandaren Sha problems. Horde turned against Horde first with Darkspear and the KorKron then with Sylvannas. Horde know they are the bad guys and own it. Just PR campaigns and justifications. Like Horde burning children alive in their own homes. It caused a lot of Horde players to understand that Horde are the bad guys. Then there is the torture of Derek Proudmooore. After the Horde found his corpse from the ocean the Horde forced him into undeath and tortured him, just as the Lich King tortured the son of Saurfang once turned him undead. There is a road that is the literal bones of all the Draenai that the horde genocide. The Alliance was formed in response to Horde aggression. If left unchecked will do to Azeroth what they done to Draenor. There is also Horde deforestation and creating new plagued lands. Night Elves fought to save the forest from Horde deforestation yet the Horde druids said nothing concerning the matter. Yes Gen Greymane struck first chance he got at the undead that plagued his nation, made his people refugees and killed his son. Perhaps there might be an Alliance that will not be the punching bags of the Horde.
I don't think it matters. Games Workshop is Imperium and Space Marine biased. The Alliance should be the good guys, and the Horde should be the bad guys. That's exactly the correct way to do the story. I don't see why the Horde wouldn't want to be the bad guys aka the badasses either. People love the Empire in Star Wars despite them being the bad guys because they're badass.
Wait! What!? 😆You gotta be kidding me! 🤣🤣🤣. They only keep the alliance for political correctness buddy. The horde is the main selling point of it all. Their dev ops boss of bosses yells for the horde in your face though.
This is the part that i will never understand . Everysingle time i read something about lore you clearly can see Alliance races have and will have a major role. Humans with their infinite potential , dwarves with Magni , Muradin , Falstad and Moria , Mekatorque being the smartest being alive , Velen , Jaina , Broken Anduin and more . I cant even think how the horde with only 1 good character (Thrall) can do anything against the Alliance. It blows my mind , horde only have like an army and is not even a good army . If the lore has ,at least , 10% of common sense there will no be horde at all. I feel like Blizzard always nerf to the ground the Alliance and thats why i think they cant be the bad guys because they are just too overpower if they go mad.
@@biggshoverwelder3690 Do you know the story from the beginning? The Horde were written as an unstoppable force. Unless you mean the new Horde under Thrall.
@@Mediados I agree, a "Holy War" expansion against the Light, exposing that no power is neither good nor evil, but is dependant on how it is used, would be refreshing. Would be good to see a raid on the Alliance Capital in this regard with Turalyon as the End boss, or second to the End boss. With the resent talk of the Forsaken giving Gilneas back, it could set up an expansion where Gilneas becomes the new main hub for an expansion as we lay siege to free Stormwind of the lights and Turalyons control.
@@BlackMrMax It would solve 2 problems at once. The Horde players would be happy to finally run rampant in the Eastern Kingdoms and win ground for our faction, and the Alliance players (what's left of them anyways) would see it as something personal having to fight on their homeland against one of their own. The antagonist would finally be grounded, simply a man trying to do what's right, not some death god or ancient demon lord.
People need to get a grip. So what if Horde is predominantly the aggressor? It doesn't mean that the other side is being "favored" because they're not the aggressor in the story. In SWTOR, nobody complains that the Republic is favored because the Empire is predominantly the aggressor. Because they're the fucking Empire. You can choose to be a good or bad guy on either faction, but nobody really cares that the Empire is the "bad guy" in the story. It's just a well-established fact. What matters is whether the player experience is better or worse depending on your faction, not who's wearing the white hat more. Player experience doesn't appear to be negatively impacted for Horde players, as the majority of people playing are playing as horde.
I been playing for long time ago and i just can say that there is some preferences for blizzard and it's not the horde even if they are more popular and numerous, the best example? The contest of choppers horde win they give them for free but just for once log and the alliance? Well it's not so hard to get 100k of gold, i mean there's some players that even have more than five millons of gold.... and they still have avaiable that chopper.....
Sylvanas made some crueld ecisions but she wasnt doing it for power. If you chose her instead of Saurfang she would explain that she did all of those choices for her people. She wanted them to understand they would never return to their old lifes and that they are forsaken now. They shouldn't chase acceptance and just be proud of being a forsaken. Sylvanas was never evil she did what she thought was best for her people even tho her decisions were harsh. She tried a peacefulw ay but that didnt work she explains and thats why she went to more cruel ways. Also if you finished the Sylvarden night fae quest it explains that Eluna planned for Teldrassil to burn to send the fallen nightelf souls to the shadowlands. So Elune used Sylvanas to make that happen so Elune killed her own people for the shadowlands. So that isnt completely Sylvanas fault.
If you would know and understand the original lore of Warcraft you would not ask such a question. There was no Horde in Azeroth before the first Orcish invasion when they came from their original home planet. The alliance waged war against these orc invaders and so on not going into more details. And the horde was established by the orcs and originally has always been under the orcish leadership. The alliance has always been the force that defends Azeroth from any harm. Outside or inside influence. This is why blizzard favors the alliance in their story lines. It is not about individual groups or characters doing bad stuff, it is about the original setting of the alliance in general being the force that protects Azeroth and it's original people and kingdoms.
Does Alliance being always good guy isn't show the horde's bias? Theramore, Teldrassil, Gilenas, Horde always attacked first, but suffered almost no consequences. Oustside Legion and Woltk, Horde was the main character of the story. Cataclysm and Thrall, in Mist Garrosh was in the foreground, warlords are orcs expansion, Bfa talked about Surfang and his problems, SL is literally Sylavnas redemption arc. Alliance cannot do anything wrong to Horde because writers don't want Aliance to humiliate Horde. Funnily enough, Horde itself killed more of its own charcter than the Alliance. The Alliance must always take the blow and hold the fight with honor. One-Dimensional Alliance may also be reason why people don't play blue faction. They just predicted and always passive.
@Valyron1207 you're right Theramore was a military target. However. I'm taking more about Jaina. After purge of Dalran, she finally might become intresting morally gray figure, but writers again made her a completely good character. She hadn't even help defeat Garrosh, the source of her greatest trauma. This is what I mean when I say Alliance heroes are passive or absent in story.
Lorewise, Blizzard is biased to have the Alliance be the good guys, but also biased to have the Horde roflstomp them on every turn. Gameplay wise... let's not go there, i think we all know who the favorite was for the vast majority of it's lifetime so far. But i dont think the Alliance gains anything by being the good guys. Because at least by western-gamer standards good guys are considered whimpy and boring. As for who the devs themselves liked more, we can just count all the times they wore a horde tshirt or said a horde catchphrase as opposed to alliance ones. So one-sided its not even funny.
It's probably because Alliance are easier to write. Everything revolves around Stormwind and Anduin, who are closely modeled on Western philosophies and sensibilities. Much more difficult to flesh out narrative from the perspective of the more deeply fictional races.
XD why you people think the alliance is more the protagonist? i always felt that the horde is THE PROTAGONIST and i played on both sides can someone explain? sorry me english is not me native language
The thing is,Alliance never had a leader that is tyrannical or bloodthirsty like Horde did. And no,I don't talk about Genn or Tyranda or any other,they are racial leaders,but not leaders of Alliance as whole. It's not like Horde does not have good guys either,Bloodhoofs,Sourfang,Thrall,Eitrig,Vol'jin etc. It also has something to do with races them selfs.
Well... not really. The alliance and horde are different on many levels. Most of the races of the alliance are natural protectors - they are no longer conquerors. The horde on the other hand is comprised of many races which are more "beast like", feral and warmongering - like the orcs, who are the main race of the horde. The tauren for example are quite content with the way things are, but there are some elements in the horde which prove to be the typical issue for a war or a conflict and that is - in essence - the biggest difference of both factions. The Alliance is always seen as boring because they lack "grit" in a way the horde shows. They have very well developed flaws and are often the ones initiating something and the Alliance comes after that and tries to fix it. Overall i would say that the alliance has never really been favored in a narrative way compared to the horde, who is the driving factor for most expansions.
I mean, whats the problem with being biased for the Alliance being the "good guys"? I mean, the Alliance has mostly all of the "civilized" races which tend to think before they act in contrast to the Horde which just has the more "animalistic" or "tribal" races which tend to act more on instinct. So yes, I'd say it's obvious why the Alliance is considered the "good guys". Simply because the Alliance and the Horde can't be compared. Their heritage is completly different.
They are bias? No really. It's not like alliance players had to go through multiple dungeons just to unlock a couple of their allied races while horde didn't have to. Can't see them being bias at all.
Blizzard don't have alliance bias. Alliance is simply default good guy because blizzard doesn't do shit to developed them. Blizzard literally burn teldrassil and destroy 90% of night elves populations and literally done nothing with Tyrande instead pour most of their resources on their huge CGI story telling about how regretful Saurfang is for committing genocide. The faction Blizzard focus on most story wise is the one Blizzard care about.
@@thinhvo3893 The Horde got nothing out of Bfa. Jaina killed Rastakhan, Sylvanas abandoned us and Saurfang suicided. All Alliance heroes are alive and you gained alot of zones in Lordaeorn.
I don't know, are they really Alliance biased? Because it felt like the opposite for most of the game's lifetime. I think WOTLK was the only time the story was more Alliance focused.
Both sides have committed war crimes, by our own Standards. The Alliance as a tendency to attack neutral parties, where it got innocents killed, even children, also internment camps and making orcs fight in gladiatoral arenas. While the Horde usually has a civil war because of Crazy leaders or people that are working with 3rd parties, like Syvannas with the jailer and the Forsaken with the legion at the wrath gate. Both sides guiltily of “purging” a city Jaina and Syvannas, being the main culprits. Also you can’t make an “good guy” or “bad guy” argument if both sides are actively in war, this not including all the 3rd parties that were involved in the factions.
Blizzard, where was the Horde? We just got Thrall? More and more we're going in a boring direction. They should name it World of Peacecraft.... Even Warhammer: Return of reckoning is better!!! Shame on u blizzard.
Do you think this really is the case?
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I'd actually argue the opposite, Blizzard and Activision are extremely Horde BIAS, and portray the Alliance as the ever constant weak 'Underdog' faction, despite the fact that they claim The Horde to be so called 'Underdog' faction.
Jaina had just defended keeping the sun reavers the the Kirin tor to Anduin. Then she finds out they had helped Garrosh to steal the divine bell.
Yes indeed. Glad you adressed it.
Love the discussion. I personally hate blizzard saying they will make things not black and white and then they always end up making it black and white. I think they are missing a huge trick moving away from Greymane being more aggro. They need more corruption in the alliance and multiple people looking to gain control or out for their own interests. Not just big bad horde. Horde is filled with so many races who's views aren't looked at still. Been far too focused on the orcs and undead. I really want to see them redevelop home cities for each faction. Give each faction the home cities they have been fighting to get back on both sides. Really wish they would stop adding allied races no one cares about. And add playable races already well established in the lore and give them proper starter areas like tradition races. No more neutral races who can be on both sides.
Yeah considering the weakened state of the undead and the fact the gilnian resistence already controls most of gilneas at this point. I'm honestly surprised he's even willing to wait for the undead to just simply leave when he can just invade with his remaining troops and simply retake the rest of it. It's not like the undead are going to be willing to fight another war agienst the alliance.
Agreed. I'm hoping for Greymane and Turalyon to make a wicked heel turn.
@@Kylora2112 Turalyon is pretty much set up as a Light fanatic who would do anything the Naaru dictate.
@@Demicleas Since he knows that they're leaving the city, there is no point in going on the offensive and potentially losing people for no reason to get what he's already going to get. He's not an idiot.
Id like to see all Humanoids as playable, or atleast as a companion capable of assisting in PVE
They’re not faction biased. They’re actually just not capable of writing compelling stories past human good orc bad.
Says someone who knows fucking nothing about the franchise
It seems more and more "orc green jeebus, human bad for not submitting to green jeebus"
@@MJG206 💯👍
@@MJG206 actually its green jesus is right and finally human leadership agrees until crisis is over than orcs and horde go back to being enemies, but sylv and grom didn't help with their skewered visions of what the horde should be despite everyone else in the horde disagreeing with them
@@MJG206that’s funny because even in Lord of The Clans thrall breaks free and then immediately starts ordering his Horde to stop killing humans because he wants to get some human tang on his green wang. Then in Warcraft 3 he meets jaina and he’s been the alliance’s whipping boy ever since
Okay but how is Cata alliance biased? That's the most Horde centered expansion we've had.
Worgen got shafted by goblins, having hardly any focus and being nearly absent outside of the starting zone. Thrall was the main character, and the alliance didn't really do anything besides get kicked by Garrosh while Jaina simped over Thrall.
Cata was neutral based. With Jaina being made a bad guy for a while. And its the only xpac where Horde were more like good guys. Every other xpac, Alliance was favored.
@@Swarmah Of course. They were the good guys. They destroyed only southshore, silverwind refuge, and a few other Alliance settlements. Remember the tree in Stonetalon?
Did you play the game?
BTW, Jaina is "bad guy" in MoP (if bad guy means you try to respond to an actual genocide with attempted genocide and finally stop without doing it).
@@Swarmah Cataclysm was neutral? What about that Horde quest by Thralls girlfriend so he can "find himself"? Hmmmmmm?
The Horde world shaman and strongest shaman on earth having a pow wow with the dragons and saving the world from Deathwing.
@@burningwolf5805 Thrall isnt leading the horde lol his neutral no longer a leader of horde wut hes doing is save the world
@@notoriousbig3k the orc that led the horde from the interment camps, welcomed the forsaken, helped the Darkspear and Tauren, who was also warchief and selected a warchief. Not to mention a hero among the Horde who will be welcomed should he choose to claim it again.
Yes that guys is neutral and has absolutely nothing to do with the Horde.
During cataclysm he simply had to focus on "saving the world" thing but Thrall will always be Horde.
Because the Warcraft franchise STARTED with the Alliance as good guys fighting against Horde aggression, and the folks at Blizzard never forgot that.
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Yeah, they just forgot everything. But they remembered "HORDE BAD!!"
I always kinda liked being bad guys as horde.
The Alliance faction only exists to be content for Horde players in pvp.
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I don't know what is happening but they started to win a lot of bgs lately
@@xd4054 yeah, and it's getting extremely annoying
You may have won the bat-tlle(grounds)! BUT WE HAVE WON THE WARS!
@@xd4054 bcs horde players switch to allaince
Why is the internment camps a crime? It's either Slaughter or in the dungeons, internment camps are humane. I'm a horde junkie, but the Orcs we're blessed to be in internment camps for what they've done, and what they were prone and capable of committing.
For real, an alien force of monsters decides to invade your world and you put them into camps instead of slaughtering them on the spot? How is that a crime?
Alliance don't murder their victims. Yes over zealous Alliance did have gladiator matches and not humanely treat the Orcs. But they were fed clothed and sheltered. Before they broke out and formed another Horde.
They weren’t fed like and clothed like y’all think read lord of the clans and you’ll see they were starved forces to live in three own shit, death would’ve been more honorable
@@kagekurasu3579 maybe they shouldn’t have been apart of an invading alien force that tried to decimate a foreign land? They were treated to human stands of honor and that’s not dying lol
@@kagekurasu3579 Starving is a common tactic to break their spirit, and ensure they don't have the strength to break free. If death was more honorable, why did they surrender in the first place, 🤣. It was all probably in retrospect, but the Alliance had modern moral codes, while Orc's had a medieval one. If anything, the only bad part in it was that the Alliance imposed their moral onto the Orcs by letting them live 🤷
Depends how you wanna define it. The Horde tends to always take an active role, while the Alliance merely just reacts to what other powers do. The Alliance is actually quite passive, compared to the Horde. Being active feels much more empowering, so you could argue, the Horde bias has been quite strong since Cataclysm, effectively meaning, for the majority of the game's lifetime.
@@bobothehippo when did alliance attack a horde city as an aggressor?
@@bobothehippo and alliance are with limit intelligent, they can't fix the weak plague gas in gnome city for years, the undead cured there city just after the war
Have you actually played WoW? Lol
@@bobothehippo what about gilneas? They were nuteral and yet the horde still attacked. The horde will always be the aggreser when it comes to certain races.
@@bobothehippo Alliance HELP "the good Horde" defeat "the bad Horde". Which Horde city was stormed? SHow me a movie or anything showing Alliance troops in Horde city.
Blizzard devs don't like to write for Alliance. They declared that in some interviews. So all they do they make Alliance punch bag of Horde at the beginning of every "battle" expansion, then Horde breaks up and Alliance "wins" by helping the "good Horde" defeat the "bad Horde". Of course Alliance needs to "win" (Show me any Alliance victory in the game), because they are the stupid ones. The ones to "forgive and forget". If Horde wins, and Stormwind looks like Theramore and Ironforge looks like Teldrassil, there is now Wow anymore.
I have to agree here, thinking back the only real Alliance victory we've had is the Arathi highlands, Lorewise...
SoO was a joined effort to defeat Garrosh
Battle for Lordaeron, no one won as the entire kingdom got Blighted, and then later reclaimed by the forsaken with no contest.
Darkshore was a Victory but land was basically completely ruined.
@@BlackMrMax All Horde victories are in the game. For Alliance ones, you need to buy books. They said that Alliance won in Arathi and darkshore. But I don't see that in the game.
Yeah, f*ck Blizzard.
Problem is, after everything the Horde has done, it'll be hard not to think that the Alliance has some justification for it; even Yrel has valid reason to get violent after living on a death world like AU Draenor and her experiences at the hands of the Iron HORDE.
Yrel takes it further by starting a Fanatical Crusade to Absorb all of the remaining races of Draenor into the Light or be Purged turning the remaining Orc tribes into refugees / resistance fighters
The writing of this perspective on the part of Blizz is clearly biased.
@@WilliamWolfFace The Ogres joined because they saw the Draenei as the winning side (and look like they have a "Cycle of revenge" situation with the Orcs) and were certainly not peaceful beforehand with the Gorian Empire, there was no sign of the Arrakoa despite them having some connection to the Light, not sure about the Saberon and do you think the Botani can do peaceful co-existence given a method of reproduction reminiscent of the xenomorphs?
@@snappycenter7863 WoD world has no more connection to WoW ... thats a different time line
@@notoriousbig3k While you're right, it's also true that Blizzard doesn't care much for lore or consistency beyond their edgy Creator's Pets (looking at you Sylvanas and Illidan) or the flavor of the month.
Well considering the only Horde race that didn't commit war crime after war crime are the Tauren, it's hard to imagine the Horde as anything but the bad guys.
Hello? Vulpera,Pandarens,Nightbornes,Goblins? Maybe even Blood Elves?!
@@isthapeanut9485 Thieves, Neutral, Hamfisted addition, literal criminal organization, and the suppliers of the Mana Bomb.
@@isthapeanut9485 All criminals.
@@MJG206 Nope, they're not... non of them did any bad
I love how people were all “Where’s Alleria and Turalyon?” Before Legion and now everyone’s all “Turalyon maybe not so good”
Fanatical light brainwashing tends to do that
Because before Legion Turalyon wasn't written as a Light fanatic but rather a pragmatic with decent head between his shoulders who still believed in the Light. Then came Legion/Chronicles rewrites that utterly destroyed his character to be this the bestest Light worshipper evar from ground up and suddenly he was more pious than Uther.
To quote Khadgar from Tides of Darkness novel with his first assessment of Turalyon: “The least of them [the original Paladins of the Silver Hand] in faith, and thus the highest in my eyes. He was trained for the priesthood and is a loyal Church follower but lacks the blinding zeal of the others. He also sees farther than them, and has more wit.”
Meanwhile this is Alonsus Faol's assessment in the Before the Storm after the Legion rewrite: "The Light needed champions who could fight with both the weapons of humanity and the love and power of the Light. The others were strongest with the first and came to the Light later. You were the opposite.”
*I like him. He's ready to kick Horde a**, instead of soy boy Anduin who constantly worries about muh peace.*
@@toxicwhiteGermanmale I get Anduin. He’s tired of the fighting and war and death and the constant wondering whether those close to him are gonna return because the big mad green people and the walking corpses across the way don’t like him. And he’s grown a lot since he was a kid.
Indeed... In Warcraft 3 we saw that evolution: a more good Horde and Daelin as the aggressor (and with things like the Scourge, the Legion, etc. there're worse enemies than the other faction).
Then we got back to the "good Alliance vs Evil Horde". Remember in Wrath when VARIAN started the Alliance-Horde War. By the time of Cata that war was stopped offscreen and Garrosh re ignited it offscreen, just to have the Horde as the bad guys.
Instead of the BS that was BfA (that led to an even greater BS with shadowlands), we could've had Greymane as the aggressor. It wouldn't make him a bad guy since Greymane has solid reasons to hate Sylvanas and wanting to go war against her. At the same time the Horde would've solid reasons to fight back.
How the hell do you think Varian started a war during wrath? The Horde was ALWAYS the agressor and always the evil faction.
@@hannesromhild8532 I just played the game and remember when Varian declared war ;)
The whole questline was removed after Wrath, with the old world revamp, but you can still play it in Wrath classic.
And in the Founding of Durotar campaign, ALLIANCE was the aggressor.
@@gaurok You mean after the wrathgate? You know the battle where the Horde backstabed them and killed an army under Bolvar Fordragon. The entire thing was an act of war against the alliance already. Varian acted acordingly to this undeclared agression from a Horde faction born from a horde internal power struggle.
So no the Agressor was clearly still the Horde.
As for Theramore and Daelins actions. From his perspective (and the entire Alliance for that matter) they where still at war with Thralls Horde. A war mind you that Thrall started by attacking the camps bach in Lordaeron.
Oh and Daelin was absolutly right as Jaina found out the hard way. There is no peace with the Horde. It is bsically an Alien Invassion force with some local allies.
@@hannesromhild8532 yes, the Wrathgate, where the Horde fought side by side with the Alliance, but Legion worshippers lead by Putress backstabbed and killed Horde and Alliance soldiers aswell.
@@gaurok As i said a horde internal power struggle. Putress was still a horde member. So it was a attack on Alliance forces by a horde force. It doesn't matter to the alliance what the horde does internaly. The Horde backstabs the Alliance every time they try to work together. Like on the Broken shore aswell. Every war between the two was always started by the Horde. The Alliance should have destroyed them decades ago.
"the alliance did do bad things but most of the time it was justified"
I don't know, I can think of two examples we see in Pandaria that nobody seems to talk about
1. the Admiral at the beginning ordering her men to shoot down Peons whom were surrendering and were unarmed. They were desperately trying not to drown and would've done anything for that not to happen
2. If you play as the Horde side, you take over an Alliance Airbase that has Pandaran Slaves working on it. Both adults and children. In fact, one of your missions is to save them.
there we are, two war crimes off the top of my head in one expansion that can't really be justified (unless you wanna go down the Sha argument, which just makes it worse in my honest opinion). Lets not even mention that Jaina wanted nothing more than for Varian to attack the Horde Leaders and kill them at them end of the expansion.
Jaina just wanted him to seize the opputurnity and free Azeroth of the Horde, she didn't want to slaughter all the leaders.
The alliance was committing genocide against the orks putting them into concentration camps and reserves
@@issstari954 uh the interment camps where actually made to avoid genociding the orcs who by that point and even now still have far far more innocent blood on their hands then the alliance ever will. They committed genocide on Stormwind’s population during the 1st war. Tried to do it to dwarves, high/blood elves, helped deathwing basically SA Alexstrasza and enslave the red dragons to use as war mounts plus before even that the Horde committed the brutal genocide of the Draenei (which you find the evidence for in Outland as the road to the dark portal in hellfire peninsula is made of Draenei bones)
So don’t act like humans don’t have a reason to despise the orcs.
But the camps’ alternative was the eradication of all orcs on Azeroth. The high/blood elves wanted that as did many human kingdoms who suffered from the orcs brutal conquest
If the Horde wanted to run the show, they could. They have some of the finest military minds in Azeroth in their leadership, seasoned and respected. If they got Alliance to fight them on Kalimdor- and only Kalimdor.
The Horde got their asses whipped at Darkshore because 1. that is the night elves' home and 2. they're pretty sick and tired of having their home destroyed. The night elves are on par with orcs with how savagely they fight. During Warcraft 3 the orcs are in awe of the Sentinels. Can you imagine if the orcs arrived from the Dark Portal into Kalimdor instead of Eastern Kingdoms? That invasion would have been crushed in a week.
Kalimdor is huge, the horde would have whole armies of allied or enslaved quillboar, murlocs, trolls and centaur invading the NE. I think either way the first invasion would be destructive to the ones being invaded.
Alliance bias? When they decide to destroy three capital cities while continue to protect the horde with plot armour?
Don't speak about plot armor you've got malfurion
@@Titanofagiano And you have green Moses, oh sorry, I mean Thrall...
@@BlackMrMax This had me cryin
Nobody cares about cities. That shit can be rebuild. But leaders stay dead.
They're not. Just because the Alliance are the good guys, doesn't mean Blizzard is being biased. The Horde still get the plot focus most of the time, with a lot of main characters being either from the Horde, or Horde races.
All our main characters are dead. Liar.
The Alliance are only the "good guys" because they don't get to do much of anything and are pretty much kept as a passive side faction in a telenovela pretty much centered around the Horde (who are the only ones allowed to take an active role and drive the story). Blizzard definitely favors the Horde
Ahhh so that explains why the Alliance ALWAYS wins? and why trolls get shafted expansion to expansion, and why Alliance has nicer city layouts, and the fact that they have more viable allied races, and the fact that humans have overloaded racials. Gotcha
Alliance winning every AV beginning of classic - Blizz nerfs gate opening of alliance
Alliance finds shortcut when running to drek - Blizz removes shortcut with invisible wall
Alliance starts using AV premades- Blizz removes queing as raid in AV
Alliance uses queue-spies to find an empty bg - Blizz removes ability to join a certain AV
Alliance uses premades in other bgs- blizz removes any premade other than 5-man
Horde wins every AV after ally nerfs - BLizz doesn´t care at all (98% win ratio for horde after ally nerfs)
Horde has got insanely overpowered racials - Blizz acknowledge but doesn´t change anything
Horde has got long queue times to BGs because their faction make up 60% of the playerbase - blizz insta solves problem by allowing same faction bgs
Horde complains about human racial in wotlk - Blizz makes faction change avaible for horde and contemplates allowing players to "pick" their racials in arenas
Horde finds shortcut to Vandar - Blizz decides to keep it (edit)
Apart from storytelling, which is actually dead in WoW.. I mean once the warcraft stories ended so did the lore of WoW... the horde as so INSANELY favoured.
There´s a reason horde´s been the most played faction since classic launch but blizz didn´t see a problem until their favourite faction started whining about allies having some sort of advantage.
Well I can't blame the alliance for feeling shafted alot, specially recently, we gotten few unique races, we merely got allied races that were better off as skin options for said races.
We got to many peaceful leaders, it if we got hateful leaders, they tend to be too forgiving...
We still got some potential for conflict with the Night Elves, Dark Irons, Worgen and the Lightforged. The Night Elves likely still have some warmongers like Maiev, the Worgen should inherently be savage as we were promised back in Cataclysm, the Dark Irons are warlike by nature and may need to "prove" their allegiance to the Alliance and then the Lightforged because of their fanatism and dominating tendencies. Their leaders might be wet cloths at times, but the people are hardly like that.
@@tatalsaba
Ya but let's be honest.
Blizzard is barely gonna touch that subject and make them peacebloom picking pansy's that yells at someone for stepping on a flower they liked.
Except the dark irons, they're just gonna be fire dwarves...
@@Hawkens4k Yeah, sadly that's true. Blizzard doesn't go into really interesting stories with nuance when they can make a big show with a flimsy halfbaked story and a cardboard hero that can do no wrong.
@@tatalsaba tbf the Dark Irons already showed loyalty in one of the MoP scenarios where the Dark Irons stepped up to rescue Anduin when the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers we're having second thoughts on the situation
*You guys have way too much expectations for a game wich is for 12 year olds, lmao.*
I would like to make the counterpoint that the sheer number of people I met who play the horde because it is the bad guy faction is wild. I honestly think there would be a considerable chunk of the horde playerbase that would flip if they were legitimately made the good guys (maybe not the majority, but you will definitely be hearing about it). Same sort of thing with Star Wars, you can make there be sympathetic or reasonable sith, but people would not be happy if SWTOR did an expansion where the Republic was outright the villain and the sith were outright the heroes
This is exactly right. Nobody complains in SWTOR that the Empire are the perceived bad guys because, well, they're the Empire. A lot of people didn't like that the Empire and the Republic teamed up in the Knights expansions. I can't imagine the outrage if there was an expansion that cast the Republic as the big bad.
At the end of the day, the only "faction favor" that matters is what the in-game experience is for players depending on the faction they play. It's got to be a nightmare to try to balance it. Unless you play both factions equally, I don't think you can really say with certainty. I will say that the fact that the majority of people playing Horde is a good indicator that Alliance isn't getting favored by the dev team in that respect. I don't know whether horde are getting favored and I, frankly, don't care.
Lol. After the alliance allied races fiasco I cant believe ppl still think world of hordecraft is alliance biased.
Lets not forget Azshara area in Kalimdor. Named after a supreme night elf leader, looking 100% like the Horde flag.
@@whywouldyoucare239 Lor'themar-Thalyssra romance a direct copycat of Malfurion-Tyrande, but of course they wouldn't put this new loveteam into shame
Funny that you mention faction player count. On my realm, Aman'Thul, its 76%/24% in favour of Alliance. 22,739 Alliance, 7289 Horde. Total opposite of other realms it seems.
I've always thought they where biased with Horde since they normally get more love in my opinion (havent watched yet)
This was the case with the old guard. They were all Horde.
@@goldhawkreno The new guard are also majority horde, and the old guard also had self inserts in the story I.E. thrall, Nathano's and Sylvanas.
After watching the video kinda opened my eyes with how blizzard is a bit more biased
You must not have actually played WoW ether. Blizzard has literally killed off every Horde leader from vanilla.
@@bobothehippo Also helped the developers of the game were horde Biased and they went as far as to give horde blood elves to up the player base. (Big surprise no one wants to play a Cow or smelly angry orc) Also helps that all the lore paints you as the under dogs and you had the best racials from TBC until current :P
Why do all youtubers with this type of content always have these types of accents?
When you look at the races that make up the Hoard, they're almost all been the villians at one point. That doesn't just go away.
Alliance Bias in Cataclysm: Thrall, Thrall,Thrall,Thrall
Player Ration shouldn't be use for this argument because it doesn't affect the story. Also Player Ration is based on the time and date, and realms, so you should use a Neutral Ration that check every single dates and realms in one.
Also a lot of Let's Play and Stream in Exile's Reach are in Alliance side, and very rare in Horde side, so it seem people play Alliance more that Horde.
It kinda seemed telling to me that in BFA it would have been possible to change it up and make it more balanced, even with Slyvannas going bonkers and monstrous. And it would have been do-able with one key change. Make Undercity fall BEFORE the attack on the Night Elf lands.
It wouldn't be all that hard to push it in with pre-existing strife between the Worgen (and their closely aligned Night Elves) and the Foresaken, Greymane being a bit warhawkish, and Anduin initially being a reluctant leader. It was once a human capital and they even had an Alliance-friendly member of the Royal family which could be seen as being installed to the throne in a legitimate move. Undercity gets destroyed and this not only drives many of the Foresaken into a hate filled indignation, but also causes the rest of the Horde to lash out at the nearest target they have. Which leads to the Night Elves being targeted and the atrocities therein. It wouldn't be shifting the blame per se, but it would give valid nuance to the conflict and a possible catalyst for the current warchief going as far as she did in vengeance.
I am SO TIRED of hearing about how Horde outnumbers Alliance. Apparently I play on the only non RP server where it's 87% Alliance and 13% Horde. As a Horde player I have to wait in queues forever, am constantly losing tags in Zereth Mortis to the mass of Allies moving from place to place, etc. I don't know what this imbalance is everyone is talking about because I have always experienced it the other way around. I know I'm in the minority but I think some people forget that there isn't ALWAYS more Horde than Alliance.
lmao you found the single server where that's (maybe) true.
No. Horde is easy mode due to player count by iteself long before any other factors.
Then just hop on a different realm, horde clown.
I cannot stress enough, POPULATION statistics do not show CORPORATE or DEVELOPER BIAS. Population statistics only show PLAYER BIAS. thank you.
idk man, the horde always had poor leadership since thrall left the horde, garrosh wasnt good, voljin promised going back at the ol' good ways, then sylvanas got put on there and burned a tree and killed her own people, after that looks like nobody freaking knows what to do with the horde.
I only pick alliance for the architecture. Horde buildings excluding nightborne are not nice to look at
Nightborn looks good
Blood elves hello
remember Legion, Basically all the story is about the alliance, I know that some characters are "neutral" but about races... at the end the story was about a Draenei (Velen) a night elf (Illidan) and humans (Khadgar / Turalyon) saving the entire world :v
Most of that is not Alliance. Khadgar and Illidan are not part of the Alliance but rather their own factions. Just because they share a race with an alliance race does not change anything. That's like saying it was Horde focused because of Guldan.
We also had Nightborne and HM Tauren with their zones and story, in comparison it was a single night elf zone and the Lightforged stuff. Most of what people consider "Alliance" based stuff is actually neutral and have been for all of WoW's life. This is not a Thrall situation where everyone knows he's really Horde, and as we seen he returns to the Horde.
@@karthis5911 wrong. Not a single Horde character was involved in Legion. Stop lying
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Yeah, sure keep telling yourself that.
If you base favoritism solely on who is the good guys sure, if you look at compelling story, cosmetic items (Especially effort put into said cosmetic items) and who the actual developers show a preference for before the company likely made devs be less open about that, then the Horde are favored
I agree. We could definetly benefit from an internal Alliance conflict to have a nice change of pace
I disagree
It would get rid of the last thing that makes the Alliance the Alliance
Its stability the fact that unlike the horde the bonds of the Alliance were not forged for a need to survive and meek out a existence
The Alliance was forged not only through conflict but times of peace and mutual understanding.
That is what makes the Alliance great and by taking that away your just getting rid of what makes the Alliance Unique
@@mk_gamíng0609 fait point
Just a suggestion
Truth is, there already is conflict within the Alliance. However, they deal with it in a different way than the Horde does. Where the Horde is more likely to start rebellions and infight with Mak'gorah and the like. The Alliance investigates the issue, looks for alternative solutions through communication within the right sources, and deals with it in a diplomatic manner.
Currently the biggest conflicts the Alliance has faced in recent times, is the instability of the Alliance and the Kaldorei. But also the fact that Turalyon for some reason was chosen to be the Regent while Anduin is MIA, when there are clearly a need of a Council made by the remaining Alliance Faction leaders, where Genn would represent the humans and worgens alike.
While Turalyon is a capable man, he is priest, a paladin who has been away for decades, the Alliance he joined isn't the one he knows. He is as well influenced heavily by the light, which many in warcraft universe, aside from the players, have now learned, may not be as "good" as originally thought. Certainly, it ain't physical conflict, but there shouldn't happen much before it would become so, was it not for the political work done behind the scenes.
@@BlackMrMax the allaince uses corruption inuence money businesses lands economical crysy pandemics assassinations threats ... negotiations bruh they are very unstable so the horde is atm
@@notoriousbig3k You wanna talk Corruption, money businesses, And assassinations and pandemics? Goblins are by Lore the most greedy race in the world, and will put a price on anything, they ain't outside the use of Assassins either and as for corruption and pandemics, there are the Forsaken, plague, blight, you name it. There was a entire cinematic of the Forsaken trying to assassinate Thrall and Saurfang. For not to speak of the most recent MASSIVE assassination quest the Horde had to Slaughter Astranaar.
Where the Alliance is not without their own faults, I would love to know where you have witnessed the Alliance starting pandemics, or influenced money businesses.
so much fence sitting and contradictions from this video
I agree, the Horde is positioned as the aggressors more often than not. I eventually moved to the Alliance (though I play both factions) because I didn't like the aggressive and often destructive nature of the Horde. I think the Horde was at it's best when Thrall was the leader and the difference between the factions was more or less cultural. Having so many crazy leaders for the Horde and the Undead essentially acting like the Scourge just with "free will" essentially makes the Horde the "bad guys". Add in the fact that throughout the game the Orcs have expanded their territory and pushed to cut down Night Elf forests and it still feels like an overall invasion from the First War, just without the demons hidden in the background.
Overall I think that World of Warcraft has become a bit of a convoluted mess. I still enjoy the game but I think the story could benefit from a small dose of simplification. The Horde and Alliance fighting is fine but the purpose needs to be believable. Fighting over resources is a very real world example of why conflict between factions starts. Just some random thoughts, the longer Warcraft as a franchise persists the more I think they're getting further and further away from the roots of where the story started (thinking of Warcraft 3 with Arthus, Thrall and all the other groups back then). I'm worried that we'll cross over to a point where the story is so convoluted that it no longer makes sense and that revisiting moments in the history is actually not fun.
Lastly I'll say that it would be interested to revisit each faction's identity as individuals. I want more dwarven, elven, orcish and so forth experiences that matter. The homelands of each race are essentially relegated to outdated newbie gardens and I think it's time to infuse new life into those locals and maybe create some inter-faction tension.
Sadly the 'return to Azeroth' expansion that is Dragonflight is about exploring new lands instead of going back to the old continents
Let's be real, this isn't the horde's fault, but the forsaken's. I mean, the forsaken are definetly the bad guys here, they commited most of the war crimes
The forsaken didn't bomb the white Witch mage city with nuke, and attacking worgen city was by Command of orc warsheif
*No forsaken ever bombed Theramore!*
@@moonshadowsong Theramore was a group project
Because the Alliance don't do anything while the Horde p much just punches itself in the nuts.
In the past we’ve seen humans prone to bigotry towards other races (that’s what drove the Blood Elves to the Horde) we’ve seen stuff like Forsaken entering Stormwind only to not return. We’ve seen uncompromising aggression from the Night Elves when they saw the Orcs cutting down the tree. In one Dranni quest a Dranie character executes a blood elf for mocking the Nauru so there’s religious fanaticism which they could’ve shown with humans too and then Dwarfs disregarded shaman races with their mining.
Blizzard just kinda forgot this stuff and made Alliance the Captain America faction.
You can make a a faction good at it’s core while showing darker elements
talking about the draenei, they also treat the broken like crap just for being deformed by the fel magic
With the draenei killing that blood elf commander when he was mocking the naaru, you left out the part where immediately before, the dude said his forces were going to commit genocide against the draenei and laughed in their face while saying it.
I like to think the alliance is the shield of azaroth and the horde is the sword
The "Alliance baised" think was something that bring me in BfA to the Horde. I start with Legion but BfA was the expansion, that I really start with and play it complete.
But I knew some story befor I start and learn more about it, while I was playing. And I hated it, how Blizzard treat the Horde.
And then they do it again in BfA. Of course it was the Horde that, again, break apart, of course it was the Horde that, again, lose a leader, of course it was the Horde that, again, get besieged, again we stand at the gates of Orgrimmar. Of course the Allaince win both warfronts. On the Horde side, 2 people die. Rastakhan and Saurfang. The Alliance even got someone back with Jainas brother. So yeah, BfA feels like pure pro Allaince. Thats why I now feel way more on the side of the Horde. Because its so annoying and unfair, how Blizzard tread them.
And because it looks like the war between these 2 factions are really over, we never get the siege of Stormwind. So the war, of course, ends with a second one of Orgrimmar.
I hate it, how the Horde is most shown as the evil race and every time it looks like it will be better, Blizzard again make it worse.
I mean in the guide for WoW, there is even written that most of the Orcs had enough of all the war and battles and want to return to their "shamanistic roots".
Where is that in WoW? The only one who has done at some point is Thrall. You see nothing of a Horde that at least try to don't make war anymore.
It often really feels like Blizzard is really bad in writing story. I mean just take a look ant BfA. It feels like a second MoP.
I just hope it will be better in the future and maybe we finally get an Expansion, where the Horde is the one, who safe the day.
Doing a lore dive and and from a outside view comparing to other series. From start of WoW on, the Game unfairly biased towards the Alliance and even by it's own lore, let alone removing forced narrative, the Horde shouldn't even still exist while Gods bow at the feet of the Alliance.
Warcraft 1 barely had a story. I think the Horde's redemption was well done until Warcraft 3, WoW over the span of 2 decades kinda ruined that a little.
In terms of Lore, the Horde have always been the 'bad guys' lol. The High Elves were always kinda scummy, the Trolls, Orcs, Forsaken, essentially every single Race except the Tauren/HIgh Mountain Tauren seem to be barbaric, brutal and extremely aggressive. On the other hand, while most Alliance Races have their issues, a lot of them fall into the Orderly Good camp. At least theoretically? Are Gnomes Orderly Good? Feels like they're supposed to be, though they usually act a bit neurotic and crazy lol. The surviving humans are basically just Stormwind and Kul Tiras at this point. Most of the scummier humans became Forsaken or died in Lordaeron during the Scourge lol. The Night Elves can go either way. Most of them are very kind, gentle and even a bit naive. If they had the choice, they'd just stay in their peaceful forests for another 10000 years, but the Horde managed to piss them over again and again until they snapped lol.
The last unforgiving Alliance side or more accurately a character who's origin came from the Alliance was the Lich king, then we really didn't get much else from Alliance borders. Granted yes, the faction of the Alliance did fight against the lich King and yes the Lich King's faction would be scourge, but its also the closest we got to an Alliance villain that is well known to my knowledge.
Alliance bias? Coming from a Horde player, that's rich 😹 Blizz treat the Horde as the protagonists of the game, the Alliance is a passive side character in the narrative, always reacting to what the Horde does, what the Horde drives... You could paint that as the Alliance being the "good guys", but the Horde is still the protagonist of this telenovela...
No lol
Who cares? The game is dead and the company is flopping. Hard.
The irony of Dorons who is overwhelmingly biased to Horde complaining about faction Bias is hilarious.
on thing that annoys me is that alliance dont seem to loose their leaders. all original horde leaders from vanilla wow is gone. (thrall is still alive but turned into a an insignificant wet noodle) belfs are the only ones that have its original leader still in position. zandalari lost their leader in the first content patch of the expansion they where introduced. while jaina was left alive desite being fought in the same raid.
Imagine thinking World of Hordecraft is Alliance biased lol
I laughed hard when I saw the title. Very funny! Try playing a random BG on alliance and get crit from range by a shaman chain lightning combo and go poof! Then they can heal themselves or their team right after that! But yeah, Blizzard was biased against horde! Don't get me started on the horde racials. Orc 25% passive stun resist?!?!? Damn, Blizzard! How you hate those orcs by giving them the ability to not be stunlocked by rogues!🙄
Anyway, I am talking about vanilla classic wow, which I'm playing now. Try it on alliance, then be rdy to quit after losing 90% of random bg's...
The horde got the Mag'Har orcs. Literally the coolest race both visually and lore-wise.
Dark Iron are pretty cool too. I like both quite a bit.
Not even close. Void elves are the most played allied race.
@@099Nitro The most played doesn't mean the best in my opinion. I like roleplaying as a member of the Frostwolf or Shadowmoon clans. And they look cool af.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good. Pop music is the most listened to, but Metal is the best, duh.
@@kurtslavainBlood elf RP is dead
@@099Nitro Blood Elf RP might be dead, but I'm still having fun with RP in general. I've got a human mage, called HairyPothead. For shts and giggles. I'm not the type to optimise the fun out of gaming.
Alliance biased? Have these people not seen the game population? The biggest issue with the alliance is we certainly don't lose our leaders to 'corruption' but we also never have our characters do anything. The Horde gets to run around beating up the alliance, killing, maiming, and getting to do cool shit. The Alliance just gets to cleanup. Yet some Horde still feel they need even more as the population of the Alliance basically dies. It's insane.
Its about lore story not population ingame
You don't need game population when the lore hands you out victories for free.
I see it as Blizzard being biased towards the Alliance for the fact that the Horde is always the ones starting conflicts, either within themselves or with the Alliance. The Horde is portrayed as always being the bad guys while the Alliance are always the good guys who do nothing wrong. Even within the Alliance there is no conflict within themselves, when Varian died they could had a conflict/discussion to decide who would lead the Alliance as a whole but no they all somehow decided Anduin would do it just for being Varians son. There is no "drama" within them even though they are formed by a bunch of pretty diverse races with different cultures, morals, believes, etc
"just for being Varian's son"? Do you know how monarchies work?
@@silverspear21 yes, he has the right to rule the human kingdom of Stormwind, the Alliance is a "organization" formed by different kingdoms and races. So it's pretty much different in terms of leadership
Edit: Varian was chosen to be the leader of the Alliance, he didn't inherited that title from his father
@@bazkai94 Varian was chosen to be the High King not just the king of the humans but the High King of the Alliance.
@@silverspear21 yes I know, that's what I said
@@bazkai94 and yet you know nothing about a monarchy...p.s. the alliance leaders also chose Anduin.
Alliance are biased towards because alliance only armour sets and weapons are superior to Horde ones.
What I have learned for each expansion: 1 horde hero either becomes the villian or dies, 1 Alliance hero either becomes neutral or dies
The Horde was screwed from the start. When you put self insert characters into positions of power it’s a recipe for disaster. Thrall Metzen is just like his dad Chris. He will run away when things get tough, push responsibility onto others, refuse to take accountability and learns nothing because he perceives himself as perfect. So while the Alliance has consolidated power since classic the Horde has constantly been shooting itself in the foot and then complaining about how bad it hurts. We finally had a Warchief who made progress and he’s been the only leader we kill because he knocked down jaina’s sand castle. But nobody talks about her massacre of blood elves in neutral territory despite them surely surrendering and begging for mercy. Nobody wants to address the Man’ari who caused untold suffering to worlds beyond count. Nobody wants to mention the Lightbound who genocided every living thing on a planet that didn’t submit to the Light. There is absolutely no way the Horde can survive now without groveling and submitting to Alliance subjugation
Hord has their dam logo built into the world. They got a free mount that alliance had to pay for. They got a brand new race instead of an allied race. Lol it goes both ways
Nice to see not another Paladin video. Horde has always been the bad guys. Their history of atrocities is evidence of this.
Sacrifice Draenai children just to get to Azeroth. The Wrathgate plague, destroying the vale thingy of the Pandarens, killing horde soldiers and forcing them into undead at battle for Undercity, forcing undeath on to humans because forsaken can't reproduce (very Scourge of them), horde aggression is something that has to be kept in check. Slaughtering prisoners of war when they win, and on and on.
Purge of Dalaran was in retaliation to the Horde violating the neutrality of Dalaran this drawing first blood and turning it into yet another battleground.
The Horde also brought the war to Pandaria feeding the Sha and leading to the Pandaren Sha problems.
Horde turned against Horde first with Darkspear and the KorKron then with Sylvannas.
Horde know they are the bad guys and own it. Just PR campaigns and justifications. Like Horde burning children alive in their own homes. It caused a lot of Horde players to understand that Horde are the bad guys. Then there is the torture of Derek Proudmooore. After the Horde found his corpse from the ocean the Horde forced him into undeath and tortured him, just as the Lich King tortured the son of Saurfang once turned him undead.
There is a road that is the literal bones of all the Draenai that the horde genocide.
The Alliance was formed in response to Horde aggression. If left unchecked will do to Azeroth what they done to Draenor.
There is also Horde deforestation and creating new plagued lands. Night Elves fought to save the forest from Horde deforestation yet the Horde druids said nothing concerning the matter.
Yes Gen Greymane struck first chance he got at the undead that plagued his nation, made his people refugees and killed his son. Perhaps there might be an Alliance that will not be the punching bags of the Horde.
@@burningwolf5805 Turalyon for example is not a punching bag. That's one of the reasons I like him.
I don't think it matters. Games Workshop is Imperium and Space Marine biased. The Alliance should be the good guys, and the Horde should be the bad guys. That's exactly the correct way to do the story. I don't see why the Horde wouldn't want to be the bad guys aka the badasses either. People love the Empire in Star Wars despite them being the bad guys because they're badass.
Wait! What!? 😆You gotta be kidding me! 🤣🤣🤣. They only keep the alliance for political correctness buddy. The horde is the main selling point of it all. Their dev ops boss of bosses yells for the horde in your face though.
This is the part that i will never understand . Everysingle time i read something about lore you clearly can see Alliance races have and will have a major role. Humans with their infinite potential , dwarves with Magni , Muradin , Falstad and Moria , Mekatorque being the smartest being alive , Velen , Jaina , Broken Anduin and more . I cant even think how the horde with only 1 good character (Thrall) can do anything against the Alliance. It blows my mind , horde only have like an army and is not even a good army . If the lore has ,at least , 10% of common sense there will no be horde at all. I feel like Blizzard always nerf to the ground the Alliance and thats why i think they cant be the bad guys because they are just too overpower if they go mad.
It's almost like horde was written from the start to be the under dogs ;)
Which is why this whole "Light Crusade" thing would be really refreshing and a great change.
@@biggshoverwelder3690 Do you know the story from the beginning? The Horde were written as an unstoppable force. Unless you mean the new Horde under Thrall.
@@Mediados I agree, a "Holy War" expansion against the Light, exposing that no power is neither good nor evil, but is dependant on how it is used, would be refreshing. Would be good to see a raid on the Alliance Capital in this regard with Turalyon as the End boss, or second to the End boss.
With the resent talk of the Forsaken giving Gilneas back, it could set up an expansion where Gilneas becomes the new main hub for an expansion as we lay siege to free Stormwind of the lights and Turalyons control.
@@BlackMrMax It would solve 2 problems at once. The Horde players would be happy to finally run rampant in the Eastern Kingdoms and win ground for our faction, and the Alliance players (what's left of them anyways) would see it as something personal having to fight on their homeland against one of their own. The antagonist would finally be grounded, simply a man trying to do what's right, not some death god or ancient demon lord.
Doron: "Why is Blizzard Alliance Biased?"
Blizzard: *Dies laughing in Horde bias and favoritism.*
Not true 😊
dude forgot the death of the OG tauren leader
Are we forgetting about Archbishop Benedictus? Not that it compares to a main villain, but him being the father of twilight hurt a little bit.
Imagine thinking of Vol'jin as a "good point" of the Horde but Garrosh was bad for almost conquering Azeroth? Lol
@Valyron1207I get the meme,but isnt he more orange than brown?
People need to get a grip. So what if Horde is predominantly the aggressor? It doesn't mean that the other side is being "favored" because they're not the aggressor in the story. In SWTOR, nobody complains that the Republic is favored because the Empire is predominantly the aggressor. Because they're the fucking Empire. You can choose to be a good or bad guy on either faction, but nobody really cares that the Empire is the "bad guy" in the story. It's just a well-established fact.
What matters is whether the player experience is better or worse depending on your faction, not who's wearing the white hat more. Player experience doesn't appear to be negatively impacted for Horde players, as the majority of people playing are playing as horde.
I been playing for long time ago and i just can say that there is some preferences for blizzard and it's not the horde even if they are more popular and numerous, the best example? The contest of choppers horde win they give them for free but just for once log and the alliance? Well it's not so hard to get 100k of gold, i mean there's some players that even have more than five millons of gold.... and they still have avaiable that chopper.....
Sylvanas made some crueld ecisions but she wasnt doing it for power. If you chose her instead of Saurfang she would explain that she did all of those choices for her people. She wanted them to understand they would never return to their old lifes and that they are forsaken now. They shouldn't chase acceptance and just be proud of being a forsaken. Sylvanas was never evil she did what she thought was best for her people even tho her decisions were harsh. She tried a peacefulw ay but that didnt work she explains and thats why she went to more cruel ways. Also if you finished the Sylvarden night fae quest it explains that Eluna planned for Teldrassil to burn to send the fallen nightelf souls to the shadowlands. So Elune used Sylvanas to make that happen so Elune killed her own people for the shadowlands. So that isnt completely Sylvanas fault.
If you would know and understand the original lore of Warcraft you would not ask such a question. There was no Horde in Azeroth before the first Orcish invasion when they came from their original home planet. The alliance waged war against these orc invaders and so on not going into more details. And the horde was established by the orcs and originally has always been under the orcish leadership. The alliance has always been the force that defends Azeroth from any harm. Outside or inside influence. This is why blizzard favors the alliance in their story lines. It is not about individual groups or characters doing bad stuff, it is about the original setting of the alliance in general being the force that protects Azeroth and it's original people and kingdoms.
The alliance are the good guys, horde are supposed to be the “edgey” antihero sometimes good guys. It’s been like that since I can remember.
Does Alliance being always good guy isn't show the horde's bias? Theramore, Teldrassil, Gilenas, Horde always attacked first, but suffered almost no consequences. Oustside Legion and Woltk, Horde was the main character of the story. Cataclysm and Thrall, in Mist Garrosh was in the foreground, warlords are orcs expansion, Bfa talked about Surfang and his problems, SL is literally Sylavnas redemption arc. Alliance cannot do anything wrong to Horde because writers don't want Aliance to humiliate Horde. Funnily enough, Horde itself killed more of its own charcter than the Alliance. The Alliance must always take the blow and hold the fight with honor. One-Dimensional Alliance may also be reason why people don't play blue faction. They just predicted and always passive.
@Valyron1207 you're right Theramore was a military target. However. I'm taking more about Jaina. After purge of Dalran, she finally might become intresting morally gray figure, but writers again made her a completely good character. She hadn't even help defeat Garrosh, the source of her greatest trauma. This is what I mean when I say Alliance heroes are passive or absent in story.
Lorewise, Blizzard is biased to have the Alliance be the good guys, but also biased to have the Horde roflstomp them on every turn.
Gameplay wise... let's not go there, i think we all know who the favorite was for the vast majority of it's lifetime so far.
But i dont think the Alliance gains anything by being the good guys. Because at least by western-gamer standards good guys are considered whimpy and boring.
As for who the devs themselves liked more, we can just count all the times they wore a horde tshirt or said a horde catchphrase as opposed to alliance ones. So one-sided its not even funny.
One example the Bloodelf starting zone ends with a blue weapon quest, the Dranei ends with green weapons....
It's probably because Alliance are easier to write. Everything revolves around Stormwind and Anduin, who are closely modeled on Western philosophies and sensibilities. Much more difficult to flesh out narrative from the perspective of the more deeply fictional races.
Tell that to the Night Elves.
The Horde is like Germany, they lost the war, but thereafter became much stronger and gained lots of benefits from compensations
XD why you people think the alliance is more the protagonist? i always felt that the horde is THE PROTAGONIST and i played on both sides can someone explain?
sorry me english is not me native language
The thing is,Alliance never had a leader that is tyrannical or bloodthirsty like Horde did. And no,I don't talk about Genn or Tyranda or any other,they are racial leaders,but not leaders of Alliance as whole. It's not like Horde does not have good guys either,Bloodhoofs,Sourfang,Thrall,Eitrig,Vol'jin etc. It also has something to do with races them selfs.
Well... not really.
The alliance and horde are different on many levels. Most of the races of the alliance are natural protectors - they are no longer conquerors. The horde on the other hand is comprised of many races which are more "beast like", feral and warmongering - like the orcs, who are the main race of the horde. The tauren for example are quite content with the way things are, but there are some elements in the horde which prove to be the typical issue for a war or a conflict and that is - in essence - the biggest difference of both factions. The Alliance is always seen as boring because they lack "grit" in a way the horde shows. They have very well developed flaws and are often the ones initiating something and the Alliance comes after that and tries to fix it. Overall i would say that the alliance has never really been favored in a narrative way compared to the horde, who is the driving factor for most expansions.
Bfa kinda with the destruction of zuldazar. And sylvanas always felt kinda neutral towards both factions.
I mean, whats the problem with being biased for the Alliance being the "good guys"? I mean, the Alliance has mostly all of the "civilized" races which tend to think before they act in contrast to the Horde which just has the more "animalistic" or "tribal" races which tend to act more on instinct.
So yes, I'd say it's obvious why the Alliance is considered the "good guys". Simply because the Alliance and the Horde can't be compared. Their heritage is completly different.
Imagine thinking you are the good guys when you got taxes
Are they? All of the vanilla zones have more horde bases which are bigger.
They are bias? No really. It's not like alliance players had to go through multiple dungeons just to unlock a couple of their allied races while horde didn't have to. Can't see them being bias at all.
Blizzard don't have alliance bias. Alliance is simply default good guy because blizzard doesn't do shit to developed them. Blizzard literally burn teldrassil and destroy 90% of night elves populations and literally done nothing with Tyrande instead pour most of their resources on their huge CGI story telling about how regretful Saurfang is for committing genocide.
The faction Blizzard focus on most story wise is the one Blizzard care about.
Delusional
@@099Nitro nothing about it is delusional
@@thinhvo3893 Blizzard hates the Horde. Alliance has always been catered since vanilla.
@Erevien And yes the Horde the one got more story during BFA and extra quest while alliance have nothing
@@thinhvo3893 The Horde got nothing out of Bfa. Jaina killed Rastakhan, Sylvanas abandoned us and Saurfang suicided. All Alliance heroes are alive and you gained alot of zones in Lordaeorn.
Because the creators of the game are.....humans ?
I don't know, are they really Alliance biased? Because it felt like the opposite for most of the game's lifetime. I think WOTLK was the only time the story was more Alliance focused.
Last bad guy in the alliance was the sailor bitch and perenolde
Well they need to give the alliance some lip service while blizzard continues to watch the underpowered faction die
Alliance didn't have death camps? What about the interment camp Thrall was in?
Both sides have committed war crimes, by our own Standards. The Alliance as a tendency to attack neutral parties, where it got innocents killed, even children, also internment camps and making orcs fight in gladiatoral arenas. While the Horde usually has a civil war because of Crazy leaders or people that are working with 3rd parties, like Syvannas with the jailer and the Forsaken with the legion at the wrath gate. Both sides guiltily of “purging” a city Jaina and Syvannas, being the main culprits. Also you can’t make an “good guy” or “bad guy” argument if both sides are actively in war, this not including all the 3rd parties that were involved in the factions.
Don't forget Varian being forced to fight in Orgrimmar's gladiatorial arena.
Yeah, but Horde did more warcrimes...
I don’t think they are biased, i just think they have no creativity with the alliance
Everyone thinks horde is "the meta" but why would I want to play the faction who lives in a poop sewer??
Meanwhile there is an entire zone in Kalimdor that is designed after the Horde flag. Looking at you azshara >.>...
It's also tilted in pvp badly currently (since this vid dropped).
We all know the Devs play alliance so it is what it is.
You always have great thumbnails, but this one really cracked me up lol nice work. Also, yes I agree with the vid.
i said it for years that Blizzard is biased towards the Alliance but i don't agree that it started in Cata i think it started in Legion
Blizzard, where was the Horde? We just got Thrall? More and more we're going in a boring direction. They should name it World of Peacecraft....
Even Warhammer: Return of reckoning is better!!! Shame on u blizzard.
This. The lore is a dump truck ever since wine sipping mom got hold or the writing.