I'm not sure an electrician actually did this... Untidy, lots of copper showing, fuse blown. DIY gone wrong? I might be wrong. Great content, great videos as always and on a roll recently, thank you.
Totally agree - no sleeving on the earth (just tape) is a giveaway and the 'quality' of those stripped ends - definitely DIY Dave. Would be interested to know if the final setup used OpenTherm ?
He also had the live and neutral the wrong way round in the boiler too and the black link from live to hot water needs to stay in for the preheat to work mate.
Great approach to collaboration at the start of this. To the public the trades have a single reputation, not split like it seems in the game. Making the end customer experience better and improving mutual respect, all round winner.
Still hitting the gym big man 👍🏻love you’re videos mate learning a lot at college just now doing my gas so all the information on TH-cam and your videos are great help
Vim Hoff plumbing and heating 😂I love that cold shower start to the morning really does give you a good glow through out the day,i used to swim in lido all year felt amazing all day keep it up. Just goes to show what a top fella you are offering to show the sparks how to wire up the nest surprising how alot off sparks can't do them,when I started in the building game there was more people willing to work together but that's changed.. Top tradesmen.
Mate your offer to help out the spark was really nice and a testament to you as a tradesman and a person. The electrical work was very poor mind and I think their inability to wire the nest is tip of the iceberg it would seem. No spark should be walking away from a job where the terminations were like that.
Even if the electrician didn't know what way to connect up the heating controls there is no excuse for how they terminated the connections. Does not look like something a proper electrician would do.
Miss fitting Vaillant boilers since emigrating from the uk. I fit a few heat pumps as well as boilers for hydronic and dedicated hot water too. Most boilers and cylinders are located outside.
Verity and content going from strength to strength mate. Like the sentiment bud, it’s tough enough out there without all the trades slagging each other 👍
Thanks Pete, especially for not ripping the spark, we all need to get along together and I was always told that if you haven't made a mistake, then you haven't made feck all.... Ps. not to sure about the cold showers tho????😬😬😬
Hi PB 🔥 I start every day of with a jump i a kids pool in the garden❄️ its the best start ON the day .. 1-2 min and when u get Up you Will get varm and Ready for the day .. ✌️ Fixing heat.. Also perfekt after workouts and runs💪🏃 it do betters the cirkulations Good for the restitution hello from Denmark🔥
I don't know why, but as soon as I saw that birds nest of cables I wanted to rip it out and make it all neat and tidy......love those sorts of jobs.... But my guess is mutliple sparks and even possibly DNOs just adding stuff over the years, it's hard to make your work look neat or to do a neat job when working around a nest like that
Hi PB , been doing cold showers for 7 months, I turn the isolation valve off to hot side of shower which makes cold water even colder because there is no mixing. 4-5 minutes each shower , fantastic but look like a madman for first few seconds 😊. Look at the Wim Hoff app and his videos.
Vaillant have changed from a solid copper connection to the expansion vessel to that flexible connection hence the vessel rattling around. Wait till the vessel loses its charge and the flexible hose bursts!! More cost cutting by Vaillant even though their prices are going up monthly!!
Hi Pete, have you considered open water swimming? Sharing a cold water dip with like minded people is even better in my experience. I'm lucky to live on the east coast but I know there are quarries in Leicester. I travel to Stoney cove for scuba diving regularly and they have plenty of swimmers there enjoying a dip.
I love installing heating controls and the more complex the better. I’m weird like that 🤣. In all seriousness though as a heating engineer it’s the controls that mainly dictate if your heating and boiler is efficient or not (as long as your boiler is not massively oversized which sadly most are 😔
I am surprised that people struggle with heating controls on domestic properties. Plenty of diagrams and info on how to do it. Just a standard thermostat like a hive or nest if an electrician can not do that I would be concerned!
Even PBs not done it right, 1 used cable to go back to boiler 2. Doubt he used the Live out to supply the external controls, looked like he used the black wire from Live on the wall 3. The Live link was incorrect and the single Live back in the cable ? 4,the L/N supply and Live return should all come from that connection from the boiler then its all protected from external electrical faults. 5. All cables must be earthed at least 1 end eg even if the stat clock etc has no earth, the cable/flex must be earthed at the boiler end. That original wiring was no electrician
Well done P.B for the cold showers i heard they were good for you too. But your a braver man than me. Keep it up deffo would help with wolf run too I bet. Great video as usual
The electric has been wired up correctly mate, the second meter is a 2 rate times switch which provides the storage heaters with power at a cheaper off peak rate at a a pre set time, usually kicks in late evening and runs overnight, then shuts off power to the heaters in the morning.
Twin and earth has no place in a boiler . should always be flexible cables i usually replace the cable to the boiler with a multicore for ease of use .
Great videos covering a multiude of reworking other folks mess... Always used boot lace ferrules on control wing, not seen BLF crimping pliers like yours before, what make are they.
I remember using the plunge pools at centerparcs Nottingham. They had them on the edge of the outside heated pool. Jeez you knew when you dropped into one of them 😂
Its easier and cheaper for the customer to fit an external expansion vessel rather than messing around on those CI's.. If they have the right space for it. Most times they can be recharged though but the vessel hoses tend to block up on them too, so always worth checking that
With the cold showers I find that starting off with it Luke warm, then dropping the shower temp down to cold is a much better way of staying in the cold water for longer. Great video.
Sounds like you’ve read the Wim Hof book… and if you haven’t read it! I’ve read it, did the cold showers which was really beneficial but the breathing techniques changed my life.
That was no electrician wired that!! No sleeving on the earth. No ferrels. Using t+e when flex was more that capable. couldn't read a basic schematic saying in/out. he could have blown the 💩 outta the main pcb!! It's bad when the plumber has more materials to do the electrical work than the spark!! This isn't a disrespectful comment too PB because he done a tidy job 👌🏼
I always struggle to do the unions up under the vaillants I've only done 7 boilers so far so still all new to me. I'd like to see you do all those connections. I've been told to work left to right to make life easier (normal combi). Any tips and tricks when ya connecting to the boiler in your videos would be really appreciated!. 👍
@@copperskills3973 but Where's it's all plastic it's so easy to burn. Terrible design. Fit sustains every day. You can tighten them up tho. Little bit of persistents
Not great at not sounding like a knob sometimes so sorry for that.... but as you say in the sprit of learning... It appears that you have at least one cable without an earth in it, electrical regs require that all mains cables have a continuous earth to all points (even if the device itself does not require it) the cable requires the earth to facilitate ADS. Also unused cores should be earthed as the effects of capacitive coupling will cause them to raise above earth potential. The earth you had in the supply black flex probably needed connecting to the one in the white flex at the other end, though that cable is 12v if I recall! All that said the Nests are absolute rubbish devices. Last one I fitted was on a worcester and they wanted controls supply from the boiler not direct from spur so I just ran a 5c flex and a 2c for the stat.
I’ve done a Wolf-run amazing experience. The starting line you run into a cold stream first, so you’re soaking wet and you start running. Half way through you swim in a lake! I would do another for sure! The waiver you have to sign is a bit strange!
I work with a kitchen fitter who lives past skipton, he swims in the river every morning even if it's snowing... he said its amazing!.. if you can get hold of an IBC they are 1000 x 1000 plastic cubes used for transporting large amounts of fluids.. if you have the space in your garden you can fill it with water and climb in.. I know lads who used to do ice baths after the gym..
Where abouts past Skipton does your friend swim. I live in Bingley (Bradford) I've alwaya wanted to go swimming somewhere before/after work. Just the river aire probably isn't the best spot haha 😆
Lol Pete, read wim hofs book the ice man, I bought a 500ltr whisky barrel off ebay for £160 and have been breaking the ice on top to get in each morning for 10 mins. It’s been life changing, never felt so good
Hi Pete or is it Blue, an old chest-freezer works well... Try and focus on what your body is feeling, translate the pain into information and you can moderate it at will, don't fight it and in no time it will be the highlight of your day. If you drop the gym for yoga-style sessions, eat once a day, and meditate you will double your physical strength, endurance, and general wellbeing. If your body relied upon your conscience thinking to learn to walk, you would still be crawling
Cold showers/baths are great as it closes the cells in the body and hair so it means your hair isnt falling out and getting damaged as much something about taking cold shower feels like you're on some drugs feel amazing afterwards.
I think I've said before but I still can't believe how much compression fittings are used over there. I've used them once or twice and I'm always scared shitless thinking they are going to leak.
What about the hair and the soap? Does that rinse away, is that a problem? Genuine question. I've been thinking about doing it for a while now. Thanks PB.
Quality soldering. Although did i notice a ripple in the 2nd 22mm 90? Not like you.... we use vailiant all the time an they send out an extra washer for the hot because it leaks on the boiler connection. Pretty poor reall for the price. Also were advised to use a 2 inch core hole now for the condense and bring the lagging through the hole.
QUESTION!!! I have a Broughton HPW40 36kW Portable Electric Boiler (400V). Cost £2500 new .. was purchased for a job then customer cancelled. Was never used and sits in storage. Any idea best place to sell this ?? Amy help greatful thanks
I Had one off my Customers who Had A Large Pond , At His Property , and Ever Day He Used The Pond , He Was A 100 Years Old Be Fore He Passed A Way? And Was Fully With It?
I had a question in college about the cause of an open flue chimney spillage. Is it? - excessive ventilation - low gas rate - incorrect termination - minimum number of bends Thank you
Love your videos. But any external controls on the worcesters must be supplied by the LS Live Supply, not another Live feed from your mains on the wall.
I do cold shower’s, keeps me awake and healthy. I would love to jump on freezing pool or lakes. You should start to feel more alive after few weeks, well done !
There was no electrician, that has father in law written all over it 😂
Hehe, good one
I'm not sure an electrician actually did this... Untidy, lots of copper showing, fuse blown. DIY gone wrong? I might be wrong. Great content, great videos as always and on a roll recently, thank you.
Definitely the owner . He knew too much about what had been done
Totally agree - no sleeving on the earth (just tape) is a giveaway and the 'quality' of those stripped ends - definitely DIY Dave. Would be interested to know if the final setup used OpenTherm ?
He also had the live and neutral the wrong way round in the boiler too and the black link from live to hot water needs to stay in for the preheat to work mate.
Was thinking the exact same thing.
The 1st plumbing video I watch on a Sunday then make my way through the rest
Another cracking installation,
Can't believe the electrician got it so wrong, them instructions are written so even Plumbers can understand them.
now now.
Great attention to detail which is really nice these days! Hats off!!
Great approach to collaboration at the start of this. To the public the trades have a single reputation, not split like it seems in the game. Making the end customer experience better and improving mutual respect, all round winner.
Another great video about everyday plumbing problems thank you
ALopez
Plumber in the U.S
Great to have you helping thanks
Mttb !
If the sparky really couldn't do the job, your offer is a magnanimous offer to a fellow tradesman. Well done !
hello mate great video, twin and earth cable shouldn't go to a boiler only heat resistant cable so the leccy is not the only one at fault
Still hitting the gym big man 👍🏻love you’re videos mate learning a lot at college just now doing my gas so all the information on TH-cam and your videos are great help
Vim Hoff plumbing and heating 😂I love that cold shower start to the morning really does give you a good glow through out the day,i used to swim in lido all year felt amazing all day keep it up.
Just goes to show what a top fella you are offering to show the sparks how to wire up the nest surprising how alot off sparks can't do them,when I started in the building game there was more people willing to work together but that's changed..
Top tradesmen.
Mate your offer to help out the spark was really nice and a testament to you as a tradesman and a person. The electrical work was very poor mind and I think their inability to wire the nest is tip of the iceberg it would seem. No spark should be walking away from a job where the terminations were like that.
Another great video 👍
I use to play professional rugby and in pre season we just used brand new wheelie bins filled them with water and ice cubes worked well for us…👍
Keep up the good work Pete
Even if the electrician didn't know what way to connect up the heating controls there is no excuse for how they terminated the connections. Does not look like something a proper electrician would do.
A proper electrician also puts the brown wire into the L and not the N connection...
Great vid lads 👍 nice tip on lining up screw holes 👊
Cold showers are awesome. Did them a lot last year and loved it. Buzzing afterward
From the state of it this "electrician" seems more like a chancer than a actual qualified electrician.
Electrician = homeowner I reckon
@@megazeus7972 definitely the home owner he knew too much about what had been done
Can't beat a vaillant so nice to install them, perfect as ever PB
Glad to hear I never have time to clean back of van up.....mine looks like I've rolled it down a hill...
I go cold water swimming Pete, fantastic for mind and body.
Miss fitting Vaillant boilers since emigrating from the uk. I fit a few heat pumps as well as boilers for hydronic and dedicated hot water too. Most boilers and cylinders are located outside.
Verity and content going from strength to strength mate. Like the sentiment bud, it’s tough enough out there without all the trades slagging each other 👍
Great video Pete just to point out u should use heat resistant cable going in to the boiler.
Not sure this is correct... prove it?
PVC cable has a maximum operating temperature of 70 degrees. Depending how the cable is installed he has point
I always sleeve my condensing hose with overflow pipe it keeps everything tidy
I usually end up my showers with cold water, especially if I'm tired on the given day.
I'll try this cold shower to thing. Thanks for the idea
Happy 80th mate! 🎉
Great to see a plumber using boot-lace ferrules when the apparent spark did such a bad job. Why not use OpenTherm?
Thanks Pete, especially for not ripping the spark, we all need to get along together and I was always told that if you haven't made a mistake, then you haven't made feck all.... Ps. not to sure about the cold showers tho????😬😬😬
Hi PB 🔥
I start every day of with a jump i a kids pool in the garden❄️ its the best start ON the day .. 1-2 min and when u get Up you Will get varm and Ready for the day .. ✌️
Fixing heat..
Also perfekt after workouts and runs💪🏃 it do betters the cirkulations Good for the restitution
hello from Denmark🔥
Clean wheelie bin for the cold water therapy Pete.
Those templates are bad ass. Do those come with the boiler or do you print those out?
Good video as always .
thanks mike 🙏🏽
People make mistakes, you done a good thing offering to help the guy if he needed it 👍🏻
I don't know why, but as soon as I saw that birds nest of cables I wanted to rip it out and make it all neat and tidy......love those sorts of jobs.... But my guess is mutliple sparks and even possibly DNOs just adding stuff over the years, it's hard to make your work look neat or to do a neat job when working around a nest like that
you boys will be back on the woostas before long
Hi PB , been doing cold showers for 7 months, I turn the isolation valve off to hot side of shower which makes cold water even colder because there is no mixing. 4-5 minutes each shower , fantastic but look like a madman for first few seconds 😊.
Look at the Wim Hoff app and his videos.
Vaillant have changed from a solid copper connection to the expansion vessel to that flexible connection hence the vessel rattling around. Wait till the vessel loses its charge and the flexible hose bursts!! More cost cutting by Vaillant even though their prices are going up monthly!!
Fancy coming out to Nailstone and specing/pricing up for a new oil boiler system for my project? :)
You got RT connection for 24V and 220V, lucky you. I was told that that's specifically for England market. We are stuck with 24V
Great video Pete
Hi Pete, have you considered open water swimming? Sharing a cold water dip with like minded people is even better in my experience. I'm lucky to live on the east coast but I know there are quarries in Leicester. I travel to Stoney cove for scuba diving regularly and they have plenty of swimmers there enjoying a dip.
Always have 5x0.75 flexi core cable in the van always
fair play you didnt slate him mate 👏 most people would. Still struggling to get my head round heating controls 😂
Grab an old storage freezer from the local tip, great for your cold dip !! 🥶
Hi PB, great vid again. Please could you tell me the reason for installing the air separator? Thanks.
I love installing heating controls and the more complex the better. I’m weird like that 🤣. In all seriousness though as a heating engineer it’s the controls that mainly dictate if your heating and boiler is efficient or not (as long as your boiler is not massively oversized which sadly most are 😔
I am surprised that people struggle with heating controls on domestic properties. Plenty of diagrams and info on how to do it. Just a standard thermostat like a hive or nest if an electrician can not do that I would be concerned!
I struggle with some wiring diagrams, mainly inexperienced with them.
Even PBs not done it right, 1 used cable to go back to boiler
2. Doubt he used the Live out to supply the external controls, looked like he used the black wire from Live on the wall
3. The Live link was incorrect and the single Live back in the cable ?
4,the L/N supply and Live return should all come from that connection from the boiler then its all protected from external electrical faults.
5. All cables must be earthed at least 1 end eg even if the stat clock etc has no earth, the cable/flex must be earthed at the boiler end.
That original wiring was no electrician
Live and neutral wired backwards in boiler?
Well done P.B for the cold showers i heard they were good for you too. But your a braver man than me. Keep it up deffo would help with wolf run too I bet. Great video as usual
PB I have old showers but start off with a low water pressure until you get used to it
The electric has been wired up correctly mate, the second meter is a 2 rate times switch which provides the storage heaters with power at a cheaper off peak rate at a a pre set time, usually kicks in late evening and runs overnight, then shuts off power to the heaters in the morning.
Twin and earth has no place in a boiler . should always be flexible cables i usually replace the cable to the boiler with a multicore for ease of use .
Great videos covering a multiude of reworking other folks mess... Always used boot lace ferrules on control wing, not seen BLF crimping pliers like yours before, what make are they.
I remember using the plunge pools at centerparcs Nottingham. They had them on the edge of the outside heated pool. Jeez you knew when you dropped into one of them 😂
New sub 👍👍 nice one look forward to more videos 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Its easier and cheaper for the customer to fit an external expansion vessel rather than messing around on those CI's.. If they have the right space for it. Most times they can be recharged though but the vessel hoses tend to block up on them too, so always worth checking that
Page 56 in the MIs explains how to remove the expansion vessel and its not straight forward
With the cold showers I find that starting off with it Luke warm, then dropping the shower temp down to cold is a much better way of staying in the cold water for longer. Great video.
Sounds like you’ve read the Wim Hof book… and if you haven’t read it! I’ve read it, did the cold showers which was really beneficial but the breathing techniques changed my life.
hi m8 brill vid as always do you have to have any training to do your own electrics or just learn lol
That was no electrician wired that!!
No sleeving on the earth.
No ferrels.
Using t+e when flex was more that capable.
couldn't read a basic schematic saying in/out.
he could have blown the 💩 outta the main pcb!!
It's bad when the plumber has more materials to do
the electrical work than the spark!!
This isn't a disrespectful comment too PB because he
done a tidy job 👌🏼
I have no dought, that was no elrctrician that wired that heatlink.. They had used Blue as Live out of the Boiler & Brown as Neutral.
I always struggle to do the unions up under the vaillants I've only done 7 boilers so far so still all new to me. I'd like to see you do all those connections. I've been told to work left to right to make life easier (normal combi). Any tips and tricks when ya connecting to the boiler in your videos would be really appreciated!. 👍
On the ecofit pure I’m guessing? Before you hang the boiler, fit the unions by turning it upside down 👍🏻
@@copperskills3973 I will give that a go this week. Cheers
@@copperskills3973 but Where's it's all plastic it's so easy to burn. Terrible design. Fit sustains every day. You can tighten them up tho. Little bit of persistents
Use a chest freezer for out in the garden pal seal it all up and use that for a ice bath
Not great at not sounding like a knob sometimes so sorry for that.... but as you say in the sprit of learning...
It appears that you have at least one cable without an earth in it, electrical regs require that all mains cables have a continuous earth to all points (even if the device itself does not require it) the cable requires the earth to facilitate ADS.
Also unused cores should be earthed as the effects of capacitive coupling will cause them to raise above earth potential.
The earth you had in the supply black flex probably needed connecting to the one in the white flex at the other end, though that cable is 12v if I recall!
All that said the Nests are absolute rubbish devices.
Last one I fitted was on a worcester and they wanted controls supply from the boiler not direct from spur so I just ran a 5c flex and a 2c for the stat.
You could always used a galvanized 6 ft livestock water tank for your cold water immersion therapy
did u put the filling loop on the flow side
I’ve done a Wolf-run amazing experience. The starting line you run into a cold stream first, so you’re soaking wet and you start running. Half way through you swim in a lake! I would do another for sure! The waiver you have to sign is a bit strange!
I work with a kitchen fitter who lives past skipton, he swims in the river every morning even if it's snowing... he said its amazing!.. if you can get hold of an IBC they are 1000 x 1000 plastic cubes used for transporting large amounts of fluids.. if you have the space in your garden you can fill it with water and climb in.. I know lads who used to do ice baths after the gym..
Where abouts past Skipton does your friend swim. I live in Bingley (Bradford) I've alwaya wanted to go swimming somewhere before/after work. Just the river aire probably isn't the best spot haha 😆
Lol Pete, read wim hofs book the ice man, I bought a 500ltr whisky barrel off ebay for £160 and have been breaking the ice on top to get in each morning for 10 mins. It’s been life changing, never felt so good
Hi Pete or is it Blue, an old chest-freezer works well... Try and focus on what your body is feeling, translate the pain into information and you can moderate it at will, don't fight it and in no time it will be the highlight of your day. If you drop the gym for yoga-style sessions, eat once a day, and meditate you will double your physical strength, endurance, and general wellbeing. If your body relied upon your conscience thinking to learn to walk, you would still be crawling
Cold showers/baths are great as it closes the cells in the body and hair so it means your hair isnt falling out and getting damaged as much something about taking cold shower feels like you're on some drugs feel amazing afterwards.
100% that was the owner who did it. They never like to admit it do they 😂
I was wiring them end of last year . New Worcesters , simple enough job . Just look at the wiring diagrams if you are unsure.
If You Have two Change The E X I would Put a External EV On the system?
You probably want one of those big circular cattle troughs. I'll stick with my hot tub!!!
I think I've said before but I still can't believe how much compression fittings are used over there. I've used them once or twice and I'm always scared shitless thinking they are going to leak.
I have seen people use a deep chest freezer for the cold baths thing
I take the side case off for better access to the hard to reach bits
What about the hair and the soap? Does that rinse away, is that a problem? Genuine question. I've been thinking about doing it for a while now.
Thanks PB.
Is it me or was that L N connection in the boiler that you said wasn't very good was also the wrong way round?
yeah it was mate
Yep - I noticed that at 6:37!! Don't think much of the terminations for a qualified electrician!
Quality soldering. Although did i notice a ripple in the 2nd 22mm 90? Not like you.... we use vailiant all the time an they send out an extra washer for the hot because it leaks on the boiler connection. Pretty poor reall for the price. Also were advised to use a 2 inch core hole now for the condense and bring the lagging through the hole.
Used Marcus Rothenberger benders they always ripple the pipe 😭
QUESTION!!! I have a Broughton HPW40 36kW Portable Electric Boiler (400V). Cost £2500 new .. was purchased for a job then customer cancelled. Was never used and sits in storage. Any idea best place to sell this ?? Amy help greatful thanks
Should try wild swimming mate, absolute game changer for mental health. Helped me out massively 🧘♂️
Marcus said about legionnaires with unused hot pipe work. Wouldn't the old cold feed now be a dead leg once the system has been filled ?
I Had one off my Customers who Had A Large Pond , At His Property , and Ever Day He Used The Pond , He Was A 100 Years Old Be Fore
He Passed A Way? And Was Fully With It?
why do the coid showers i remember a film star does it
every day interesting ?
🤣 I gave up trying to even think about tidying my van out 😕
My mate users a big wheel bin full of cold water and gets in that every morning he said it does him a world of good
I had a question in college about the cause of an open flue chimney spillage. Is it?
- excessive ventilation
- low gas rate
- incorrect termination
- minimum number of bends
Thank you
Love your videos.
But any external controls on the worcesters must be supplied by the LS Live Supply, not another Live feed from your mains on the wall.
What's the difference, Martin?
why wouldn't you just fit an external vessel if it was bust and leave the original one in?
Why wasn't a frost stat fitted
The PB5 Promo code is invalid mate, Regards Ian Ex Kingston Gas
I do cold shower’s, keeps me awake and healthy. I would love to jump on freezing pool or lakes.
You should start to feel more alive after few weeks, well done !
I Would Put A System Boiler And Eco Cylinder Two Upgrade The Property, As You Have Smart E Meaters ON Site?