Sentry Mode alone can take about 5% over night... if i park my SR+ in germany with 10-15°c in a garage it loses about 5% with sentry mode on and 0-1% without sentry Mode.
Yes, same for me without any temperature thing, sentry mode eats up roughly 300W per hour with just being watching people passing by in summer time, I.e. no heating cameras. Greetings from Germany, too Tanja
@@ericwalker2434 There's not much optimizing to be done. Leaving Sentry Mode on makes the entire car stay awake in it's fully powered up state, because that's what's necessary to track nearby activity using the Autopilot camera system. And even then, it uses only 3 lightbulbs worth of power. That's actually not that bad, all things considered.
As a former detailer I also agree. I’m curious to know more about that car wash. We have concrete stalls we can wash cars in here in the US but they’re outdoor and suck to use in the winter, but are great for removing a majority of the salt/debris off cars in the winter. That car wash looked nice, indoors and with tons of room to work in!
@@blusun2 There are few car washes exactly like this here in Eastern Europe country called Estonia, inside mall underground parking lots where they have made these the best they can because then people go shop in the mall more often or when they go shop then they go wash too and that means more money to everybody (well except the consumer lol).
@@emileneslo5695 detailing wise, it’s only ok to use touch less washes. I NEVER use a car wash that has those spinning brushes or those drapes/curtains. Touch less or nothing at all.
FYI, It will NOT actively heat the battery under normal conditions. The range loss you see is almost all coming from sentry mode keeping the car awake, which uses quite a bit of energy, and the battery getting colder. The range and SOC indication is based off battery temperature, you can not loose any energy, and the SOC/Range will change if the battery temp changes. It comes back when the battery warms up. Preheating the car will heat the battery, but this takes 20-40 minutes and consumes a great deal of energy.
if you park your tesla on the street at 20% soc, and it gets -40° overnight, will you still be able to move it in the morning, if sentry mode was left off? Or will she demand to be charged and batteries warmed up?
@@jimhofoss9982 Yes, even if sentry was on it will still drive. The car won’t lock you out from moving until the minimum cell voltage gets extremely low. -40 for prolonged periods will be a problem, but not overnight if that’s a minimum. But you’d want to be plugged in in that weather if possible, at least have a decent SOC.
I find that sentry mode is a bigger issue than the cold - up to 5% overnight. Where I live is very flat and I haven't driven in mountains due to travel restrictions since I've had the Tesla. I have spent a week in hilly country and I noticed that the range isn't affected that much as long as you use them braking. You get most of the extra you use going uphill back when you go downhill. The only thing to watch out for is if your destination is at the top of the mountain. Then you don't have quite as much range as the car thinks you have. As long as you have enough to get there, the range will increase as you go down the hill on your next journey.
@@johnmckay1423 Sentry mode is indeed a hog. Never leave Sentry mode ON if you park your car at the airport for a long time and your car is not plugged in !
That's right. And the heat pump of the 2021 model is even more efficient. Whether heating or colling is almost instantaneous and it is really power efficient.
Shame the insulation and assembly is so crap where all the heat escapes very fast. Everytime it rains you see tesla's with fogged up windows like some 15 year old car cuz the seals are just crap. Its applauding people keep paying so much for such crap. Tesla should stick to making the drivetrain and partner with a better brand to make the rest.
@@sinephasethe heat pumps he's describing are capable of being more than "100% efficient" because they "pump heat" from the outside of the vehicle to the inside. It's the same thing an AC unit does but in reverse. They likely wouldn't be *much* better than conventional electric heating in weather this cold, but in the vast majority of cases they're able to move significantly more energy than the energy it takes to run them.
@@Gielderst it's 5280 and it's the dumbest thing ever. I'm American and we should have been using the metric system for the past 100 years at least... maybe it will happen eventually
@@redplayerya supposedly it’s because we have tons of heavy machinery and tooling and whatnot in customary. But I worked at a fab shop and all we would have had to do is buy a new set of calipers. All our machinery could do both and some were actually metric only and we’d have to convert every measure.
Totally unrealistic for the prairies. He never addressed the fact that you can begin a trip when it's minus 15 ...but the temperature could drop to minus 30 an hour down the road...what are you gonna do then ? These fanboys of E.V.'s tend to be urbanites living in the urban bubble world because they never factor in that the temperature could drop precipitously on the prairies.
I liked that you finished with the car-wash : as that's the first thing I noticed (ocd much eh ?). Next, being from Quebec city - I enjoyed the high-quality sound were you can hear the "crunchy" sound the car makes, then your footsteps. Salut !
this is the kind of video i have been waiting for.After having several vehicles refusing to start in cold temps in N.E. Ohio over the years i have been leery about fully electric vehicles and battery drain
Honestly I would say EVs are better winter vehicles than gas. I live in a small town and almost all my trips stay in town. If I have to drive my truck in winter the engine might just be getting warm right about the time I get to where I'm going. That's really hard on the engine, and uncomfortable for me as I'm riding around cold all the time. In our Tesla the heat is blowing hot before I back out of the driveway, and within 30 seconds the cabin is fairly comfortable. Yes you take a range hit from the heater, but that's really not an issue except on a long drive, and even then its not a huge issue unless you actually do need to drive 170+ miles w/o access to charging.
Also as stated in this video, he was using sentry mode, which accounts for most of his battery loss overnight, so just icing on the cake that there really shouldn't be much overnight battery drain. :)
@@dorvinion But on a long trip the engine will be heated up anyway. Yes, an engine should warmup a few minutes before being driven. Just be glad we have fuel injection. Now you can warm up the car and go inside where it's warm. Those that lived in the carburetor days had to sit IN their car while it warmed up.
@@Anon54387 I remember seeing my friends car refuse to start during some really bad artic winds, apparently his fuel line froze because water vapor got in, his tank was only 1/4 full.
Important to note that this car does not have the new heatpump that 2021 cars has. Those have a LOT better heating and cooling so the loss is significantly less.
Great video! We did a winter drive from Calgary to Toronto a couple years back and saw that same 33% drop in range. Luckily we were driving through the states so there were chargers everywhere.
That's amazing Josh, I flew my fiancé from Toronto to Calgary to propose to her! For someone who lives in the UK a drive of that distance is really amazing to me!
Although this is an old video, I would like to say that out of the 9% battery loss over 15 hours, 4-5% of that loss is due to Sentry mode. Sentry mode uses about 1% of the battery every 3-4 hours.
My IC uses 0 gas sitting for a month. The more I learn about electric cars the less likely I would be to buy one. 4-5 percent a night is a lot when its cold 6 months a year. Current electric cars seem to work the best sitting in a heated garage plugged in not doing anything. 🤷♂️
@@daneekhoff8731 As stated, it has to do with the Sentry security system. Just turn it off if this bothers you. What does 4-5 percent cost you in dollars? Far less than that.
I hope that you do another video when the temperatures are between -30 and -40. I see that you did this video a month before it got really cold in Saskatoon .
I'm also curious to see a cold start around the -35 range (with a wind chill directly into the grill of the car, wait, does it have a grill?). If it still starts relatively easy with no 'side effects' then I'll start saving for one.
Great to see videos like this of electric cars in the cold to see real world range. I’m on order for the Ford Lightning and live in Vancouver with real mild weather compared to the prairies. We see -5 C tops a couple of weeks in the winter months. I’ll be using it for work and It’s not rare for me to be driving +400 km in a single day locally. When I’m not working she will be nestled in my garage warm and plugged in. I’m very confident in my next purchase. Thank you for the great review!
I don't think I would trust an electric vehicle from one of the big 'previously gas fueled' companies. They have simply tried to retrofit their gas fueled junk and make it "electric". Tesla started from scratch and has built and integrated every design as they went. You might save money in the short term but end up frustrated and broke in the long run.
So excited !!! I can’t wait! They have halted reservations due to high demand. I had my reservation in right when they announced. So any day now my dealer will contact me. I’m going to be specing out mine as a Lariat with the extended range battery. She is going to be a beast!
Amen ! I drive a 2012 KIA Soul- no touch screens, no EV battery to catch fire.......12 Gals of fuel equals over 360 miles of driving and 3 minutes refuels it......
I know you’re Canadian but “warming up my car, driving a block, buying some oat milk, then driving home” is the most Californian thing I’ve ever heard (apart from the warming the car up part). Great video btw.
This pretty much matches my experience in Jackson, WY, where it's been -18C (0F) or colder every night for the past few weeks. We park our car in an underground parking garage that gets close to outside temperature with no ability to plug in. Day time highs have been around -10C. When doing in-town driving, the battery does not fully warm up. (Snowflake stays on.) One thing worth noting is that when you plug in to charge or supercharge it takes 10-15 minutes just for the battery to warm up and start charging. We usually supercharge while grocery shopping, but that extra 15 minutes means the car isn't ready when we are. I've started taking it to a Chargepoint charger (level 2) that's a block away from our apartment as a convenient alternative when we don't need the car.
@@SaskTechIdeas Thanks! I just had Michelin X-ice mounted on my 18” Aeros. I’m thinking about leaving them and getting a second set of wheels for summer. Those definitely caught my eye.
In addition to range anxiety I now have weather anxiety. It would be interesting to know what the battery condition would be if you couldn’t charge for say a fortnight in those conditions.
There is already tons of proof of people trying to charge these EV's in cold temps, they don't charge at all below 10 fahrenheit because the charger is trying and trying to warm the battery to charge it.
@@williamshook982 Well, most people leaving their cars outside in -15 C and under usually have them plugged into block heaters so the comparison isn't exactly equivalent.
@@synnical77 Nope, I live in Colorado and during the winter we can have long stretches at or below 0F. I've never used a block heater and all my ICE vehicles start right up no issues every morning. I used to be a big tesla fan, but the more I thought about it the more I realize just how inconvenient it would be (for me and my usages).
@@GOATMENTATOR Do you have a lot of problems with snow sitting on the rear window, then when you come home,, going to the trunk , opening it to get your grocery, then when the trunk opens,,, would the snow all falls into the trunk ???
Hi there, Great to see how the Model 3 performed in the cold night unplugged. My standard situation is having it unplugged, too, as we can’t charge at home, sadly. Ok, in our area, we rarely get lower than -10 degrees Celsius, but this gives me relief, my Tesla can do this. Greetings from Germany Tanja
Hello From Edmonton Alberta Canada 🇨🇦 😁 I have been following this really nice girl on TH-cam who is born and raised in Germany but now lives in the US for over 2 years. Germany seems awesome so much so I have began studying the language and will start German language classes in the summer 2022 once the in-class classes reopen with my 19 year old son who also has become increasingly interested in Germany. It is on our bucket list to do together to travel to Germany. Economically, we can only afford one trip outside of Canada over season and have been researching for a few years which country to visit. Germany has gained our interest that that is where we have decided to go. Not that it might be of interest or not but I will also mention this for others reading the comments: My one other trip in my bucket list is one of Canada's most northern cities. We haven't decided exactly which of the two as we would have to arrange a 3 month trip due to weather conditions. I have met people from both cities a number of times (Edmonton and Winnipeg are the two major cities that will accommodate hellocopter hospital trips to these two cities) fascinating people with a very humble yet vibrant culture based on sharing economic wealth amongst themselves as a community and very interested in other cultures and sharing their own. Not many people are really very aware of the citizens who live their unless you live somewhere where they actually travel to. I would like to go to one of the Scandinavian countries but truthfully I probably won't have enough money to travel a 3rd time. Take Care🤗
They are in countries where are very cold winters because otherwise they would be out of business for the whole winter. In my country they are usually incorporated inside underground mall parking lots where it's warmer anyway.
I'll be honest with you, that is pretty impressive. I've had my doubts about e-cars during winter but 10% of battery overnight coming to warmed up car is not bad. Not bad at all. This was very useful info at least for me.
People in love with E.V.'s never factor in that on the prairies the temperature could drop from minus 17 to minus 35 in an hour...what are you gonna do then??? Call a tow truck...a diesel powered one, so you'll know your car will get to where you want to go.
@@alphabravodelta42 The graph doesn't show data for a minus 35 day does it? Didn't think so. In any case, data from other sources, like the repair industry , show that Tesla and other E.V. makers aren't exactly telling the truth about their vehicles. Specifically , they aren't telling people that their batteries discharge at a faster rate than their displays indicate...and that their batteries don't have the lifespan advertised. That's why in the states, a much warmer place generally than the Canadian prairies, some owners of E.V.'s are simply towing their E.V.'s to the scrap yard because the battery gave out 3-4 years sooner than expected, and a new one cost almost $10,000. E.V.'s have no future, they are simply like the digital video disc technology of the early 1980's...interesting...but ultimately inferior and doomed.
As a Model 3 owner in Minnesota, I am glad to know that my range losses while sitting in the cold are normal. I also noticed that usually the greatest loss is in the first few hours, mostly due to the battery getting cold. After that, it slows down.
Don't the Tesla's have some sort of heating system to keep the batteries warm? I guess that would just deplete the batteries though, maybe unless it was plugged in, but then again most people would have the car in the garage...wouldn't work with me I don't have a garage, my vehicles sit out in the weather 24/7 would be interesting to have a Tesla just to see how things would do on it being out in the elements 24/7 and having to charge it in the heat of summer and cold of winter.
@@wildbill23c They do. However, I am not completely certain when it activates. I know it will when you tell the navigation to go to a supercharger. I believe running the cabin heater actually warms the battery, as well. Charging the vehicle in any way warms it a little, but not much when it is cold. As for when it is not being driven, I am not sure. The loss appears to slow after a couple of days sitting. Mostly, it is recalibrating range for the fact the the battery / weather is chilly. If it suddenly warmed up significantly, at least some range would come back.
There is one thing which should be pointed out when talking about winter range loss. Battery heating and preheating gives penalties in short drives only. People are typically worried about range in long trips where loss is much smaller, maybe 20%. It is caused by increased friction, rolling resistance, denser air and increased battery internal resistance because it is typically colder.
also pre 2019 Model 3 was without octavalve which means it was using simple resistance heater which is veeeery inn-efficient. Yes, the loss is much smaller in longer trips but it is still significant due to heating the cabin and battery
@@poolas8ball It takes about 16kw to drive 100km/h and about 2kw to heat the cabin in -15C. With heat pump, it can be half of that. COB factor is not very great when it gets cold. Anyway, as I stated before, relative loss from heating is not that great when cabin heat is stabilized and speed is high. Another example can be driving 60km/h and starting with cold car. Heater then takes 5-6kw and motor takes 6kw.
I assume that preheating could be done while plugged in, as would be the case before leaving for the morning commute when you have a home charger. In that case you would keep that preheating energy for driving. I
@@davesutherland1864 Yes. That is the case if you have home charging or some electric outlet. Seems to be close to impossible for many. Hopefully it’ll change in future
For those who don't know, gas engines are able to start properly and remain sturdy in these temps using a device called and engine block heater, which keeps the engine at a stable temperature in extreme cold.
If you're from the prairies of Canada you know . I have a 19 Kia Niro hybrid in Winnipeg . This car is the first one in my life that starts easily in our unheated garage at _35c . It doesn't really start , you push the button and the electric motor comes on .
I had to search to the internet where this video is shoot at, because it moved my heart discoverying that you live in a "English native spoken - place" where international unit measures are used!.. And it is Canada! 1000 Kudos to Canada!😁😁
I am really suprised about the battery loss your are reporting. I have a 2 year old Skoda Enjaq and I drove it to our mountain cabin in Norway last weekend. Left it standing outside for 68 hours, highest temperature -21C lowest -29C - the battery was 84% full when I parked on Friday afternoon and was still showing 84% on Monday morning when I turned the heater on. Did use 4% of the battery to warm the car up but still had plenty of capacity for the 190 km drive home. I would like to see you repeat the test without the sentry mode on.
The dots on the line shows how much regenerative braking is limited. Not necessarily how cold the battery is, since other factors, such as battery state of charge, also affects the amount of regen you get. You can have a warm battery charged to 100% and it will have limited regen. Or when you change your wheel/tyres the system has to recalibrate the regen as well.
Im getting a Tesla 3 (2022 or 2023 version next year) and this was a great video. I live in Norway where we have up to 25-35°C in the summer but about -5°C to -30°C in the winter. Its mostly around -10°C in my area. I think this car did pretty well as i was expecting more loss to the battery. Also good since the newer models have up to 624km of range which means its not bad at all depending on the situation! Heating solutions also very important but pre-heating while connected to a charger if possible should do the trick. Great vid
I find this comment amusing. My grandmother Is Norwegian. I could never understand how my dad was fine living in manitoba where it goes for +40C with the humidity to -50C with the windchill. Makes sense now lmao.
Very useful video. Congratulations to over 290.000 views, mate! Request / Idea: A test with a Model 3 2021 Refresh (with heat pump) would be very interesting.
Great request, I’m actually planning to do this, but the dang weather is so warm lately we haven’t been below -15C for like 2 months. (Terrible thing to complain about, hey? Haha).
Never seen a self wash facility totally inside, makes complete sense considering where you are of course. Man, I wish I could get a Tesla so freaking much, but not likely to happen for quite some time unfortunately. Watching these videos is like torturing myself constantly, but they’re always full of useful information so I can’t help myself.
@@forestfofo9091 half the world got winter no garages and battery don t work with cold ... so cars that only for hot places can t work .... like having a solar powered ambulance or a wind powered firetruck a electric airplane or rocket ( elon build tesla and space x had to fish old rocket engine...
At -40F / -40C battery warranty is voided and your battery cannot produce any energy. I.e. your range drops to zero. at -35 (F or C) there is still some range but very little - maybe 10% - 30% would need to know specifics about battery etc. to calculate energy left. at 0F / -18C the battery has most of its power - i.e. drop in energy is minimal. Energy drop is not linear. Also overnight is not a long time.
@@tomk3732 I wondered if this is how it worked. I know battery tools they quite working around -35C. And to think that our Prime minister is trying to make it illegal to sell petroleum vehicles here in Canada is crazy.
@@Steph-lv5fg There will need to be exceptions for arctic service or special vehicles. For example, you and your buddies are going up north hunting. If your drive your electric there and leave it for few days, what will happen if temps drop under -40F / -40C you just have to take a risk of no warranty? what if temps are around -35C - will you have to ... walk? Should you have a generator? Temps under -30C are common even in south Alberta - sure not a lot of such cold days - but than what - cannot go to work? What if work does not offer charge cable? Would there be legislation to force building of extra power networks? What about Native people of Canada? Are they just ... have to go back to the old days and use horses? Arctic service is till about -60C.
I'm not sure what I love the most - Saskatoon OR using kilometers and celsius :D Also respect for this efficiency graphs in regards to temperature. I wish everyone would do the same. Any chance for doing same test WITHOUT sentry mode? Thx buddy!
Watching from Winnipeg! Looks like you guys got a lot more snow! we don’t have much just yet... but its coming, also you should do another one of these unplugged videos later on in the months when it comes down to -35 or that might be too much for the battery ( no idea I don’t own a tesla just a pontiac. ) lol
Very informative. To be honest those losses are massive. If you want to go away for the weekend to a not too far place without chargers you run the risk of running out of battery and ruin your weekend trip.
Hello it was good to see a positive video with an EV with the cold weather we are having. I live on Vancouver Island and I drive a Genesis GV 60 we are getting snow and very cold weather for here and I have to say I have no problems with an EV. Thanks for your review.
I hope you had some nice warm place for drying the car. I worked for a Finnish taxi company, and in midwinter we were prohibited from washing the cars (Mercedes, not Tesla) unless they could stay in the garage for 12 hours, because otherwise the doors would freeze shut within minutes of going outside.
Charge it in a garage with 220 volts during the winter you will be fine, charge it with 120 outside during the winter it will either not charge at all or it will take a real long time to charge.
normally SR+ charges around 48hrs from 0-100 in 120v @ 12a (regular outlet). Which is around 2%/hr. Even if you leave with sentry mode (as in video), you lose only like 5% in 16hrs while you gain 32% - 32-5= 27% actual gain. So no, you can still charge at 120v in winter. Only problem might be that car might warm the battery for charging which will consume the battery excessivly. Idk, theoretically it SHOULD charge, though I don't live in cold weather now, so can't really prove it.
Forcing poor people to pay for my EV is one of my favourite things about my EV. Forcing poor people to pay for my electricity to drive my EV is a rush as well. I can easily afford my EV and the power to drive it.
How much does a Model 3 cost there? In Ontario Canada a Model 3 costs almost 2 Honda Accords. Lol. And don't get me started on the Model Y .... C$80000 out the door for the cheapest one. I can buy two F150s for that. Sad that this planet saving tech is so expensive in Canada. :/
@@edwardlacika3022 53 k CAD for the Tesla Model 3 SR+ here, but 5 k less than that because of a tax credit here. Overall cost of ownership is less than a BMW 3 series.
@@attorneyattorney1190 They just park on the streets, because in Oslo having a garage is a luxury. There are like 3 Teslas parked on my street right now at 0 degress c temp.
My X3M lost exactly 0.000% of its range when I left it outside last winter for 2 weeks in a parking lot at the airport at freezing temperature for the entire time. It's efficiency also did not change at all.
i remember when visiting yellowknife i need to plug my rental fuel car to outlets to keep it warm lol. thanks for the honest review. was thinking about getting one for Toronto weather.
I was wondering about the battery performance in the cold. Thanks for the video. This also brings back memories of home (Anchorage AK) and reminds me of why I moved to the Carolinas. It's been over 20 years since I've had to deal with the level of snow you were showing in the vid...I dont miss it a bit. Here it is the day after Thanksgiving and it's 17 degrees C (62F) sunny and nice out. Stay warm my friend!
I have a 2013 Model S that took the brunt of the polar vortex here in Minnesota this year. Parked outside (usually plugged in) with temperatures at -18F (-28C). The heat reached it's limit and was only able to bring the interior up to 58F, but it was still comfortable enough for my 25mi commute. My only concern was the electric bill, this car is hungry in the cold temps, with wh/mi hitting as high as ~600.
wh/mi? Are you saying watt hours / mile? Usually, energy use for EVs during driving is expressed as kWh/m. Good efficiency numbers are usually < 2.5kWh/m. Are you saying you got 0.6kWh/m (which would be the same thing as 600 Wh/m)? If you are, that's a truly horrible number. For reference, the Hummer EV, probably the most inefficient EV out there, gets you 1.6 kWh/m. Maybe I'm not understanding you.
Yes, here in the UK public charging is already twice the price of diesel per mile in the best of times, so possible 4x the price of diesel? - or 13p vs mile (diesel) vs 53p per mile (tesla in the cold)? - imagine going a 500 mile trip, that's 7 stops or around 14 hours of charging and £265 in electricity cost, vs 1 comfort stop (no need to fuel up) and around £65 in diesel.
I believe that this is because your 2013 model doesn't have a heat pump which all the newer Teslas do have which heat much faster and with alot less energy consumed
Nice to see someone on youtube from Saskatoon with a Tesla, this is great. I am always curious how the electric cars can handle our weather extremes and also the fact we don't have the same charging infrastructure as other places, how well you are able to get around the province. At least the Model 3 has a decent range. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
I drive a 2012 KIA Soul- no touch screens, no EV battery to catch fire.......12 Gals of fuel equals over 360 miles of driving and 3 minutes refuels it...... I hope your Tesla is still working well for you......the EV battery fires are getting more and more frequent here in the USA and in the Global market....
I am still driving my V8 Ford. Not the best built vehicle...but it can sit for weeks and still start ok and no range has been lost...even if it sits there for a year!
My Santa Fe ICE got cold soaked overnight (accidentally) with -29'C temperatures. Started with no issues, just cranked for a few seconds, and I let it warm up while I cleared the snow off of it and the driveway. When finished clearing the snow (about 20 minutes), nice and warm in the car and still almost FULL range available.
Thanks - yes I’ll try it again on a really cold night. Question is, do I leave sentry on for that test to compare apples to apples? Or turn it off to get best case scenario?
Its been 3 years Could you make an update video talking about its total capacity and how much battery wear has happened and compare it to Tesla's in warmer climates with similar miles My guess would be that the battery where would happen much faster in the cold
It would be very nice to see a video on what maintenance electric vehicles need. REALLY enjoyed your video on the battery in cold weather .much much better then expected
@@drewfeld836 Good point, but if you were planning to go far, you would plug it anyway. The only way you get screwed is if you're in apartments and there isnt anywhere to plug.
Yes, one of the glaring problems of these stupid vehicles. That you ALWAYS have access to a charging point and you don’t have power outages. Some idiot here in police state of Australia suggested that people in the older parts of the city where they have to park on the street in front would have charging points run from their homes under fences, some heritage listed, under the footpath to the edge, under a lockable hatch in the path. You would have to get the exact spot and what happens to the rain and the hole for it. And when the deluges cause flooding in the gutters. So apartments have to have allocated parking spots for everyone and charging their own metered charging point. Anyone visiting?
This video raises an interesting question of what is the longest amount of time I can leave a Tesla model 3 parked at a warm airport and a cold airport?
@@camaroman101 no, months is easily possible. See Bjorn Nylands videos. He spent like 5 months in Thailand and left his Model 3 at the airport successfully. You have to turn off sentry mode and not check on the car with the app, just let it sleep.
You'll never know will you?...because the temperature can change drastically...at least in the prairies where this video is shot. That to me is a big detraction from owning any E.V....you never seem to know exactly how far you can reliably drive , and you are a constant prisoner of that range display. We never had that problem with ICE vehicles. They always had more than enough range when temperatures change drastically.
I have been driving in Calgary with a Tesla Model 3 SR+ for the past year plus and sharing all the data and the experience. I have a CyberTruck on order two... th-cam.com/video/kUyXckuek0Q/w-d-xo.html
i to park outside at all times in Montreal, i also don't plug her in every night during winter (2nd winter). I leave it in % vs KM and don't give it any attention, like your phone, when its time to charge i charge. usually around 30-40% to 90%. I have a LRRWD April 2019, one of the very last ones before they discontinued that variant. I will say i do charge twice as much in winter than summer but it's still waaaaaaaayyy cheaper than gas. Hydro costs 30$ a month in summer, 55$ in winter, what a joke versus 160$-200$ on gas a month with my previous Hyundai Tucson. Range loss plus sentry is a true killer of range but at roughly 5$ a top off who really cares at this point, I surely don't lol, only people who don't own one because they can't understand the different way of thinking or lifestyle you need to adapt for EV habits, which to me is just natural. It isn't as bad as people who make it out to be, again the people who don't own one. Take it from me... THE BEST CAR EVER PERIOD.
The first winter we had our Tesla, we had to park outside and the total electric bill was $320 instead of the pre-Tesla bill of $140. Charging with 120 V below minus 10 C couldn't keep the battery warm enough to charge, so morning range was about the same as the previous day. The nearest supercharger was a 224 KM round trip.
Usually gas includes special taxes. If we ban ICE cars and use only EVs do you think that you will charge your car on that price? In Europe you pay special taxes that ranges from € 345 to € 813 per 1000 litres. If for example you pay €1750 for 1000 litres the €728 is special taxes. Italy has also a 21% VAT in gas and only 10% VAT for electricity. My point is that yes electricity is cheaper now, but let's not pretend that this will last forever. My guess is that it will be worse with electricity in the future because the globe will be energy starved under current power philosophies. Hopefully, Hydrogen ICE and/or Fuel Cell engines will be a good alternative soon.
For those of you in warm climates who might not know, it's completely normal to plug in (oil pan warmer and sometimes 12V battery warmer) even a ICE vehicle when it's forecast to be particularly cold. The takeaway from that being that it shouldn't be viewed as odd that a Tesla does better in cold climates when plugged in overnight. Leave an ICE unplugged overnight in very cold weather and it's possible it won't even turn over so you have zero range.
It was -14F the other day in Western NY. My 2015 Volt? Push the button and go. The TDI with a not functioning block heater started, but it was ruff!!!.
Love how the power washer just cleaned off most of the dirt without the need of soap. By the way , I think this video fairly sums up that you need at least a driveway to own a Tesla. Can't expect to not charge it every 1-2 days in this kind of weather.
Sentry Mode alone can take about 5% over night... if i park my SR+ in germany with 10-15°c in a garage it loses about 5% with sentry mode on and 0-1% without sentry Mode.
Yes, same for me without any temperature thing, sentry mode eats up roughly 300W per hour with just being watching people passing by in summer time, I.e. no heating cameras.
Greetings from Germany, too
Tanja
@@verkunstetunterwegs given the massive amount of power in he battery that seems like an insane amount of power. I wonder if tesla will optimise this.
@@ericwalker2434 yes That would be really great
@@ericwalker2434 There's not much optimizing to be done. Leaving Sentry Mode on makes the entire car stay awake in it's fully powered up state, because that's what's necessary to track nearby activity using the Autopilot camera system. And even then, it uses only 3 lightbulbs worth of power. That's actually not that bad, all things considered.
Was just reading that, you would lose 1 mile of range per hour so you might want to top it up if you want to get that battery loss back
Thank God you washed it! That was so satisfying. ☺️
As a former detailer I also agree. I’m curious to know more about that car wash. We have concrete stalls we can wash cars in here in the US but they’re outdoor and suck to use in the winter, but are great for removing a majority of the salt/debris off cars in the winter. That car wash looked nice, indoors and with tons of room to work in!
@@blusun2 right i’m like where can I find one of these i’ve been hand washing mine but I also don’t have to deal with snow!
@@blusun2 There are few car washes exactly like this here in Eastern Europe country called Estonia, inside mall underground parking lots where they have made these the best they can because then people go shop in the mall more often or when they go shop then they go wash too and that means more money to everybody (well except the consumer lol).
Is it okay to go to a "drive through" car wash. Or is it best to wash your car by hand.
@@emileneslo5695 detailing wise, it’s only ok to use touch less washes. I NEVER use a car wash that has those spinning brushes or those drapes/curtains. Touch less or nothing at all.
I can tell by the squeak of the snow that it is or has been really cold.
I can tell by the abundance of water and puddles in the ground that it is really wet.
why cant you both tell by just the snow 😂
@@hasiktir3966 Because snow doesn't squeak until it's below about minus 12 C. Another way to tell it's cold by 'November' and 'Saskatchewan'.
@@RandyTWester I live in SK here bud. She’s fuckin cold! 🤣
Usually when it gets to -20 Celcius below the snow starts sounding like styrofoam. Thats when you know its cold!
FYI, It will NOT actively heat the battery under normal conditions. The range loss you see is almost all coming from sentry mode keeping the car awake, which uses quite a bit of energy, and the battery getting colder. The range and SOC indication is based off battery temperature, you can not loose any energy, and the SOC/Range will change if the battery temp changes. It comes back when the battery warms up. Preheating the car will heat the battery, but this takes 20-40 minutes and consumes a great deal of energy.
“loose”
Yeah that is what I was going to say about him having Sentry mode on will decrease the battery.
if you park your tesla on the street at 20% soc, and it gets -40° overnight, will you still be able to move it in the morning, if sentry mode was left off? Or will she demand to be charged and batteries warmed up?
@@jimhofoss9982 Yes, even if sentry was on it will still drive. The car won’t lock you out from moving until the minimum cell voltage gets extremely low. -40 for prolonged periods will be a problem, but not overnight if that’s a minimum. But you’d want to be plugged in in that weather if possible, at least have a decent SOC.
So essentially it does lose energy
I believe there were a number of people on the Trans Canada last winter that were not very happy with their Teslas for some reason !
I am Swiss, and I find it’s the most useful tesla video around. Imagine this, plus going on the mountains?
As a Swiss you must really appreaciate the washing of the car at the end...? :-)
I find that sentry mode is a bigger issue than the cold - up to 5% overnight.
Where I live is very flat and I haven't driven in mountains due to travel restrictions since I've had the Tesla. I have spent a week in hilly country and I noticed that the range isn't affected that much as long as you use them braking. You get most of the extra you use going uphill back when you go downhill. The only thing to watch out for is if your destination is at the top of the mountain. Then you don't have quite as much range as the car thinks you have. As long as you have enough to get there, the range will increase as you go down the hill on your next journey.
same :P
@@johnmckay1423 Sentry mode is indeed a hog. Never leave Sentry mode ON if you park your car at the airport for a long time and your car is not plugged in !
I'm really impressed by how fast it heats up the interior.
That's right. And the heat pump of the 2021 model is even more efficient. Whether heating or colling is almost instantaneous and it is really power efficient.
@@eljay0 heaters are 100% efficient LOL
Shame the insulation and assembly is so crap where all the heat escapes very fast. Everytime it rains you see tesla's with fogged up windows like some 15 year old car cuz the seals are just crap. Its applauding people keep paying so much for such crap. Tesla should stick to making the drivetrain and partner with a better brand to make the rest.
@@sinephasethe heat pumps he's describing are capable of being more than "100% efficient" because they "pump heat" from the outside of the vehicle to the inside. It's the same thing an AC unit does but in reverse.
They likely wouldn't be *much* better than conventional electric heating in weather this cold, but in the vast majority of cases they're able to move significantly more energy than the energy it takes to run them.
@@JonKimbel more than 100% efficient is impossible LOL
I live in Saskatoon, SK and never thought I would find a Tesla TH-cam Channel from here.
Why I like Canadians more than Americans: they freaking use the metric system.
Right on.
Metric is superior.
1km = 1000m
1m = 100cm
1cm = 10mm.
But how many " feet " is a " mile ".
I bet it's not 1000 hehe.
@@Gielderst it's 5280 and it's the dumbest thing ever. I'm American and we should have been using the metric system for the past 100 years at least... maybe it will happen eventually
@@redplayerya supposedly it’s because we have tons of heavy machinery and tooling and whatnot in customary. But I worked at a fab shop and all we would have had to do is buy a new set of calipers. All our machinery could do both and some were actually metric only and we’d have to convert every measure.
My American school actually uses metric instead of imperial on most things. It's way easier than metric
@@xsforreal same when I was in school a decade ago. The problem is INDUSTRY and ENGINEERING Is all customary
I'm from Winnipeg and you and I both know that _17c is a piece of cake and is warmer than average for both of us in the wintertime.
It’s sad that you live there
Don't call it Winterpeg for nothing, she's a little nippy in Fort Mac as well
Totally unrealistic for the prairies. He never addressed the fact that you can begin a trip when it's minus 15 ...but the temperature could drop to minus 30 an hour down the road...what are you gonna do then ? These fanboys of E.V.'s tend to be urbanites living in the urban bubble world because they never factor in that the temperature could drop precipitously on the prairies.
@@markanthony3275in negative 30 degress an ICE car would have way more trouble starting. An EV won't have any problems, it will just lose some range
Great video, finally someone doing a true review of a Tesla battery loss in actual cold weather. Thank you.
I liked that you finished with the car-wash : as that's the first thing I noticed (ocd much eh ?). Next, being from Quebec city - I enjoyed the high-quality sound were you can hear the "crunchy" sound the car makes, then your footsteps. Salut !
I don't know why I'm watching this, I can barely buy half of a Tesla.
LMAO 😂😂😂
Me too. That's why I'm watching. If I had one I would be busy driving it :D
Me too. That's why I'm watching. If I had one I would be busy driving it :D
@@Wingedambassador your a bot huh
@@burnoutlegend0185 or youtube glitched and commented twice.
I gave you a like for enduring the prairie winter.
this is the kind of video i have been waiting for.After having several vehicles refusing to start in cold temps in N.E. Ohio over the years i have been leery about fully electric vehicles and battery drain
Honestly I would say EVs are better winter vehicles than gas.
I live in a small town and almost all my trips stay in town. If I have to drive my truck in winter the engine might just be getting warm right about the time I get to where I'm going.
That's really hard on the engine, and uncomfortable for me as I'm riding around cold all the time.
In our Tesla the heat is blowing hot before I back out of the driveway, and within 30 seconds the cabin is fairly comfortable.
Yes you take a range hit from the heater, but that's really not an issue except on a long drive, and even then its not a huge issue unless you actually do need to drive 170+ miles w/o access to charging.
Also as stated in this video, he was using sentry mode, which accounts for most of his battery loss overnight, so just icing on the cake that there really shouldn't be much overnight battery drain. :)
@@dorvinion But on a long trip the engine will be heated up anyway. Yes, an engine should warmup a few minutes before being driven. Just be glad we have fuel injection. Now you can warm up the car and go inside where it's warm. Those that lived in the carburetor days had to sit IN their car while it warmed up.
@@Anon54387 I remember seeing my friends car refuse to start during some really bad artic winds, apparently his fuel line froze because water vapor got in, his tank was only 1/4 full.
Important to note that this car does not have the new heatpump that 2021 cars has. Those have a LOT better heating and cooling so the loss is significantly less.
Great video! Love these Canadian winter videos.
Yes, especially sitting poolside in Palm Springs, California.
I would get out of there fast.
Great video! We did a winter drive from Calgary to Toronto a couple years back and saw that same 33% drop in range. Luckily we were driving through the states so there were chargers everywhere.
Thanks! Yes need more SuperChargers, but they’re being built! HW16 in Sask is about to get 4 more SuperChargers (Saskatoon’s just turned on!)
That's amazing Josh, I flew my fiancé from Toronto to Calgary to propose to her! For someone who lives in the UK a drive of that distance is really amazing to me!
How long extra it took to get to Toronto just during charging?
Although this is an old video, I would like to say that out of the 9% battery loss over 15 hours, 4-5% of that loss is due to Sentry mode. Sentry mode uses about 1% of the battery every 3-4 hours.
thank you for this info
will use sentry now :) on my new Y
My IC uses 0 gas sitting for a month. The more I learn about electric cars the less likely I would be to buy one. 4-5 percent a night is a lot when its cold 6 months a year.
Current electric cars seem to work the best sitting in a heated garage plugged in not doing anything. 🤷♂️
Batterys cant take cold. Thats the main reason.
@@daneekhoff8731 As stated, it has to do with the Sentry security system. Just turn it off if this bothers you. What does 4-5 percent cost you in dollars? Far less than that.
@@daneekhoff8731My ICE car's battery dies much sooner when running a dashcam though.
I hope that you do another video when the temperatures are between -30 and -40. I see that you did this video a month before it got really cold in Saskatoon .
I'm also curious to see a cold start around the -35 range (with a wind chill directly into the grill of the car, wait, does it have a grill?). If it still starts relatively easy with no 'side effects' then I'll start saving for one.
AS a Norwegian I find this very useful
Great to see videos like this of electric cars in the cold to see real world range. I’m on order for the Ford Lightning and live in Vancouver with real mild weather compared to the prairies. We see -5 C tops a couple of weeks in the winter months. I’ll be using it for work and It’s not rare for me to be driving +400 km in a single day locally. When I’m not working she will be nestled in my garage warm and plugged in. I’m very confident in my next purchase. Thank you for the great review!
I don't think I would trust an electric vehicle from one of the big 'previously gas fueled' companies. They have simply tried to retrofit their gas fueled junk and make it "electric". Tesla started from scratch and has built and integrated every design as they went. You might save money in the short term but end up frustrated and broke in the long run.
I hope you don’t have to do any towing in the cold…. Might have to stop a few times a day to charge
So excited !!! I can’t wait! They have halted reservations due to high demand. I had my reservation in right when they announced. So any day now my dealer will contact me. I’m going to be specing out mine as a Lariat with the extended range battery. She is going to be a beast!
Thank you for this. I now have a better understanding about how the whole EV battery range works. EVs still have too many issues for me though.
I have a 2006 Honda CRV. I love my car. No screens, no data. I turn the key put on an ol music CD and go.
Amen ! I drive a 2012 KIA Soul- no touch screens, no EV battery to catch fire.......12 Gals of fuel equals over 360 miles of driving and 3 minutes refuels it......
I know you’re Canadian but “warming up my car, driving a block, buying some oat milk, then driving home” is the most Californian thing I’ve ever heard (apart from the warming the car up part).
Great video btw.
Have you ever walked a block or two when it's 40 degrees below zero Celsius in the wind ?
@@brianclark7412 40- C is also 40 -F interesting fact
@@brianclark7412 good point. I’m Australian, so no. +40C yes, but not -40C.
What a canadian wouldn't do for a can of Oat milk :-)
@@brianclark7412 Or the other way when its 45.C or more and hot north wind and the fire like feel of the Australian sun.
Great data gathered! I'm in calgary so I'll be doing a bunch of winter testing myself as well. Subbed
Cagary is a lot different weather wise than Saskatoon
I'm watching it even though I've never seen Tesla or snow in my entire life
A sad existence for sure.
@@wpgspecb I expect that's sarcasm. I'd be very happy if I never saw snow again.
This pretty much matches my experience in Jackson, WY, where it's been -18C (0F) or colder every night for the past few weeks. We park our car in an underground parking garage that gets close to outside temperature with no ability to plug in. Day time highs have been around -10C. When doing in-town driving, the battery does not fully warm up. (Snowflake stays on.) One thing worth noting is that when you plug in to charge or supercharge it takes 10-15 minutes just for the battery to warm up and start charging. We usually supercharge while grocery shopping, but that extra 15 minutes means the car isn't ready when we are. I've started taking it to a Chargepoint charger (level 2) that's a block away from our apartment as a convenient alternative when we don't need the car.
PS--What wheels and tires do you have on your Model 3?
My tires are Micheline X-Ice xi3, and the wheels are 18” Art Replica 171 Gun Metal
@@SaskTechIdeas Thanks! I just had Michelin X-ice mounted on my 18” Aeros. I’m thinking about leaving them and getting a second set of wheels for summer. Those definitely caught my eye.
If it goes on fire it will burn your house down.
Wow. The EV scam is now being exposed in the states. Ford and GM are pretty much aware of this and are actually running away from it !😀😀😀👏👏👏
Living in Minnesota I 100% appreciate this video. Extreme temps in the winter even getting to -50 F sometimes. Thanks!!!
In addition to range anxiety I now have weather anxiety.
It would be interesting to know what the battery condition would be if you couldn’t charge for say a fortnight in those conditions.
The battery would be a hundred percent dead, but my Astro Van would start right up and drive away. Hahahaha
There is already tons of proof of people trying to charge these EV's in cold temps, they don't charge at all below 10 fahrenheit because the charger is trying and trying to warm the battery to charge it.
@@williamshook982 Well, most people leaving their cars outside in -15 C and under usually have them plugged into block heaters so the comparison isn't exactly equivalent.
@@synnical77 Nope, I live in Colorado and during the winter we can have long stretches at or below 0F. I've never used a block heater and all my ICE vehicles start right up no issues every morning. I used to be a big tesla fan, but the more I thought about it the more I realize just how inconvenient it would be (for me and my usages).
@@up0820 that's not true. I successfully charge mine in -30C or colder (-22F) without issue. 220v, 48A or less.
The problem with Canadian winters is that by the time you get home from the car wash,, the car is dirty again :(
and salty
@@GOATMENTATOR Do you have a lot of problems with snow sitting on the rear window, then when you come home,, going to the trunk , opening it to get your grocery, then when the trunk opens,,, would the snow all falls into the trunk ???
@@TOMMYBOY6969 ...That’s why you first use your trusty Snow ❄️ Brush! 😜
@@TOMMYBOY6969 no, because I drive a rusty 21 year old bmw
I wash the old diesel the moment a cold snap hits, stays clean for awhile. :)
Hi there,
Great to see how the Model 3 performed in the cold night unplugged. My standard situation is having it unplugged, too, as we can’t charge at home, sadly. Ok, in our area, we rarely get lower than -10 degrees Celsius, but this gives me relief, my Tesla can do this.
Greetings from Germany
Tanja
I know you made this comment a year ago but it's just so wholesome. I hope everything is well in your life.
Hello From Edmonton Alberta Canada 🇨🇦 😁
I have been following this really nice girl on TH-cam who is born and raised in Germany but now lives in the US for over 2 years.
Germany seems awesome so much so I have began studying the language and will start German language classes in the summer 2022 once the in-class classes reopen with my 19 year old son who also has become increasingly interested in Germany. It is on our bucket list to do together to travel to Germany.
Economically, we can only afford one trip outside of Canada over season and have been researching for a few years which country to visit. Germany has gained our interest that that is where we have decided to go.
Not that it might be of interest or not but I will also mention this for others reading the comments:
My one other trip in my bucket list is one of Canada's most northern cities. We haven't decided exactly which of the two as we would have to arrange a 3 month trip due to weather conditions. I have met people from both cities a number of times (Edmonton and Winnipeg are the two major cities that will accommodate hellocopter hospital trips to these two cities) fascinating people with a very humble yet vibrant culture based on sharing economic wealth amongst themselves as a community and very interested in other cultures and sharing their own. Not many people are really very aware of the citizens who live their unless you live somewhere where they actually travel to. I would like to go to one of the Scandinavian countries but truthfully I probably won't have enough money to travel a 3rd time.
Take Care🤗
I have never seen a do it yourself car wash inside before. The ones around here are all outside with no heat.
They are in countries where are very cold winters because otherwise they would be out of business for the whole winter. In my country they are usually incorporated inside underground mall parking lots where it's warmer anyway.
I believe that was a Touchless car wash, you just drive in and all the robots do the work
Man that car wash alone is worth a Like already! So satisfying to watch!
Trend line graph was very helpful, getting a EV delivered in 2022 , thanks
Thanks for showing us the car wash. 😂 That makes it feel complete.
I used to live in saskatoon few years ago, seeing the streets you drive by in the vid bring back some memories. 🙂
I'll be honest with you, that is pretty impressive. I've had my doubts about e-cars during winter but 10% of battery overnight coming to warmed up car is not bad. Not bad at all. This was very useful info at least for me.
Then imagine leaving it there for a few weeks straight in the cold unplugged... auch.
And this is with sentry mode on. Detract 4-5% of that 10% if sentry mode isn’t used.
People in love with E.V.'s never factor in that on the prairies the temperature could drop from minus 17 to minus 35 in an hour...what are you gonna do then??? Call a tow truck...a diesel powered one, so you'll know your car will get to where you want to go.
@@markanthony3275 it's like you can't figure out the data shown in the graphs he shows in the video.
@@alphabravodelta42 The graph doesn't show data for a minus 35 day does it? Didn't think so. In any case, data from other sources, like the repair industry , show that Tesla and other E.V. makers aren't exactly telling the truth about their vehicles. Specifically , they aren't telling people that their batteries discharge at a faster rate than their displays indicate...and that their batteries don't have the lifespan advertised. That's why in the states, a much warmer place generally than the Canadian prairies, some owners of E.V.'s are simply towing their E.V.'s to the scrap yard because the battery gave out 3-4 years sooner than expected, and a new one cost almost $10,000. E.V.'s have no future, they are simply like the digital video disc technology of the early 1980's...interesting...but ultimately inferior and doomed.
we in germany never had under -10 the last few years in winter most of the time it was over 0 so no worrys here ^^
Very useful for a Model 3 driver in the Swiss alps and thanks for metrics 👍 very much appriciated
As a Model 3 owner in Minnesota, I am glad to know that my range losses while sitting in the cold are normal. I also noticed that usually the greatest loss is in the first few hours, mostly due to the battery getting cold. After that, it slows down.
Don't the Tesla's have some sort of heating system to keep the batteries warm? I guess that would just deplete the batteries though, maybe unless it was plugged in, but then again most people would have the car in the garage...wouldn't work with me I don't have a garage, my vehicles sit out in the weather 24/7 would be interesting to have a Tesla just to see how things would do on it being out in the elements 24/7 and having to charge it in the heat of summer and cold of winter.
@@wildbill23c They do. However, I am not completely certain when it activates. I know it will when you tell the navigation to go to a supercharger. I believe running the cabin heater actually warms the battery, as well. Charging the vehicle in any way warms it a little, but not much when it is cold. As for when it is not being driven, I am not sure. The loss appears to slow after a couple of days sitting. Mostly, it is recalibrating range for the fact the the battery / weather is chilly. If it suddenly warmed up significantly, at least some range would come back.
@ΔŞŦ€ŘƗŞΜ 𓂀☜GͥOͣDͫ It still is a good option, you will just have shorter range in severe cold.
There is one thing which should be pointed out when talking about winter range loss.
Battery heating and preheating gives penalties in short drives only. People are typically worried about range in long trips where loss is much smaller, maybe 20%. It is caused by increased friction, rolling resistance, denser air and increased battery internal resistance because it is typically colder.
also pre 2019 Model 3 was without octavalve which means it was using simple resistance heater which is veeeery inn-efficient. Yes, the loss is much smaller in longer trips but it is still significant due to heating the cabin and battery
@@poolas8ball It takes about 16kw to drive 100km/h and about 2kw to heat the cabin in -15C. With heat pump, it can be half of that. COB factor is not very great when it gets cold.
Anyway, as I stated before, relative loss from heating is not that great when cabin heat is stabilized and speed is high.
Another example can be driving 60km/h and starting with cold car. Heater then takes 5-6kw and motor takes 6kw.
I assume that preheating could be done while plugged in, as would be the case before leaving for the morning commute when you have a home charger. In that case you would keep that preheating energy for driving. I
@@davesutherland1864 Yes. That is the case if you have home charging or some electric outlet. Seems to be close to impossible for many. Hopefully it’ll change in future
For those who don't know, gas engines are able to start properly and remain sturdy in these temps using a device called and engine block heater, which keeps the engine at a stable temperature in extreme cold.
If you're from the prairies of Canada you know . I have a 19 Kia Niro hybrid in Winnipeg . This car is the first one in my life that starts easily in our unheated garage at _35c . It doesn't really start , you push the button and the electric motor comes on .
My dad’s Land Rover defender starts at -30C easily after 20 years of use
I like that indoor do it yourself carwash …that’s badass
I had to search to the internet where this video is shoot at, because it moved my heart discoverying that you live in a "English native spoken - place" where international unit measures are used!.. And it is Canada! 1000 Kudos to Canada!😁😁
I am really suprised about the battery loss your are reporting. I have a 2 year old Skoda Enjaq and I drove it to our mountain cabin in Norway last weekend. Left it standing outside for 68 hours, highest temperature -21C lowest -29C - the battery was 84% full when I parked on Friday afternoon and was still showing 84% on Monday morning when I turned the heater on. Did use 4% of the battery to warm the car up but still had plenty of capacity for the 190 km drive home. I would like to see you repeat the test without the sentry mode on.
He had sentry mode on that's why he lost battery charge it uses about 1% and hour to have sentry on even in good weather
The dots on the line shows how much regenerative braking is limited. Not necessarily how cold the battery is, since other factors, such as battery state of charge, also affects the amount of regen you get. You can have a warm battery charged to 100% and it will have limited regen. Or when you change your wheel/tyres the system has to recalibrate the regen as well.
Ah yes. Good clarification, thank you.
Im getting a Tesla 3 (2022 or 2023 version next year) and this was a great video. I live in Norway where we have up to 25-35°C in the summer but about -5°C to -30°C in the winter. Its mostly around -10°C in my area. I think this car did pretty well as i was expecting more loss to the battery. Also good since the newer models have up to 624km of range which means its not bad at all depending on the situation! Heating solutions also very important but pre-heating while connected to a charger if possible should do the trick. Great vid
I find this comment amusing. My grandmother Is Norwegian. I could never understand how my dad was fine living in manitoba where it goes for +40C with the humidity to -50C with the windchill. Makes sense now lmao.
@@gambyt5952 ;)
Very useful video.
Congratulations to over 290.000 views, mate!
Request / Idea:
A test with a Model 3 2021 Refresh (with heat pump) would be very interesting.
Great request, I’m actually planning to do this, but the dang weather is so warm lately we haven’t been below -15C for like 2 months. (Terrible thing to complain about, hey? Haha).
Thanks fir the video/ its good to see some real world cold weather driving!
Never seen a self wash facility totally inside, makes complete sense considering where you are of course. Man, I wish I could get a Tesla so freaking much, but not likely to happen for quite some time unfortunately. Watching these videos is like torturing myself constantly, but they’re always full of useful information so I can’t help myself.
Will never buy one. Battery is out of my price budget.
Very good video. Would be interested to see the same test in -35, I'm pretty sure it would be a very different turnout.
10-4 on that.... -35 for a few days as well. Befor you know it all your gas has drained out!!😁😁😁
@@forestfofo9091 half the world got winter no garages and battery don t work with cold ... so cars that only for hot places can t work .... like having a solar powered ambulance or a wind powered firetruck a electric airplane or rocket ( elon build tesla and space x had to fish old rocket engine...
At -40F / -40C battery warranty is voided and your battery cannot produce any energy. I.e. your range drops to zero. at -35 (F or C) there is still some range but very little - maybe 10% - 30% would need to know specifics about battery etc. to calculate energy left.
at 0F / -18C the battery has most of its power - i.e. drop in energy is minimal. Energy drop is not linear. Also overnight is not a long time.
@@tomk3732 I wondered if this is how it worked. I know battery tools they quite working around -35C.
And to think that our Prime minister is trying to make it illegal to sell petroleum vehicles here in Canada is crazy.
@@Steph-lv5fg There will need to be exceptions for arctic service or special vehicles. For example, you and your buddies are going up north hunting. If your drive your electric there and leave it for few days, what will happen if temps drop under -40F / -40C you just have to take a risk of no warranty? what if temps are around -35C - will you have to ... walk? Should you have a generator?
Temps under -30C are common even in south Alberta - sure not a lot of such cold days - but than what - cannot go to work? What if work does not offer charge cable? Would there be legislation to force building of extra power networks?
What about Native people of Canada? Are they just ... have to go back to the old days and use horses? Arctic service is till about -60C.
I'm not sure what I love the most - Saskatoon OR using kilometers and celsius :D
Also respect for this efficiency graphs in regards to temperature. I wish everyone would do the same.
Any chance for doing same test WITHOUT sentry mode?
Thx buddy!
Yep, I'd like to see one big frosted Tesla
Why, we know the loss with sentry mode enabled...
dude lives in sask hes not turning that off haha
I was going to tell you DirtyTesla would have been proud
Love your video, I love the video lapse. Great job
Omg I loved seeing the car get washed after it being dirty the whole video 🤤 thank you 🙏
Watching from Winnipeg! Looks like you guys got a lot more snow! we don’t have much just yet... but its coming, also you should do another one of these unplugged videos later on in the months when it comes down to -35 or that might be too much for the battery ( no idea I don’t own a tesla just a pontiac. ) lol
Yes if we hit another -35C night, I’ll do this test again.
Woah, a saskatoonian youtuber!! For some reason I got excited when you were driving through Preston.
I'm definitely subbing this channel.
Very informative. To be honest those losses are massive.
If you want to go away for the weekend to a not too far place without chargers you run the risk of running out of battery and ruin your weekend trip.
Yea this is the biggest area that needs improving. Road trips without access to super chargers can be tough in the cold.
Most of that 5% loss is due to Sentry Mode. Turn that off and it would be a very different story.
@@jonathangwynne1917 I thought it was due to heating the batteries
@@1Esteband, heating the batteries takes a little power but nowhere near that much.
Sentry Mode is a huge power-suck.
Hello it was good to see a positive video with an EV with the cold weather we are having. I live on Vancouver Island and I drive a Genesis GV 60 we are getting snow and very cold weather for here and I have to say I have no problems with an EV. Thanks for your review.
I hope you had some nice warm place for drying the car. I worked for a Finnish taxi company, and in midwinter we were prohibited from washing the cars (Mercedes, not Tesla) unless they could stay in the garage for 12 hours, because otherwise the doors would freeze shut within minutes of going outside.
Charge it in a garage with 220 volts during the winter you will be fine, charge it with 120 outside during the winter it will either not charge at all or it will take a real long time to charge.
normally SR+ charges around 48hrs from 0-100 in 120v @ 12a (regular outlet). Which is around 2%/hr. Even if you leave with sentry mode (as in video), you lose only like 5% in 16hrs while you gain 32% - 32-5= 27% actual gain. So no, you can still charge at 120v in winter. Only problem might be that car might warm the battery for charging which will consume the battery excessivly. Idk, theoretically it SHOULD charge, though I don't live in cold weather now, so can't really prove it.
Must be nice to be able to afford an EV. For-those of us who never will, I guess it’s back to horse and buggy.
$25k? Seems petty affordable.
Don't worry, as long as government subsidizes EV purchases and production, you're helping others afford EVs.
Horses are the future.
We always have 10 year old Toyota hybrids (avoid gm, chrysler, anything daimler, vag like the plague if you like to own something).
Forcing poor people to pay for my EV is one of my favourite things about my EV.
Forcing poor people to pay for my electricity to drive my EV is a rush as well.
I can easily afford my EV and the power to drive it.
I live in Norway.. and Teslas are freaking everywhere. Every street has like 1-3 Teslas parked. Lmao
How much does a Model 3 cost there? In Ontario Canada a Model 3 costs almost 2 Honda Accords. Lol. And don't get me started on the Model Y .... C$80000 out the door for the cheapest one. I can buy two F150s for that. Sad that this planet saving tech is so expensive in Canada. :/
Are they parked outside?? What about battery in cold weather without a garage??
@@edwardlacika3022 in Europe it costs 55-60k Euros. Two Bmw 3 series
@@edwardlacika3022 53 k CAD for the Tesla Model 3 SR+ here, but 5 k less than that because of a tax credit here. Overall cost of ownership is less than a BMW 3 series.
@@attorneyattorney1190 They just park on the streets, because in Oslo having a garage is a luxury. There are like 3 Teslas parked on my street right now at 0 degress c temp.
My X3M lost exactly 0.000% of its range when I left it outside last winter for 2 weeks in a parking lot at the airport at freezing temperature for the entire time. It's efficiency also did not change at all.
i remember when visiting yellowknife i need to plug my rental fuel car to outlets to keep it warm lol. thanks for the honest review. was thinking about getting one for Toronto weather.
I was wondering about the battery performance in the cold. Thanks for the video. This also brings back memories of home (Anchorage AK) and reminds me of why I moved to the Carolinas. It's been over 20 years since I've had to deal with the level of snow you were showing in the vid...I dont miss it a bit. Here it is the day after Thanksgiving and it's 17 degrees C (62F) sunny and nice out. Stay warm my friend!
“It’s smaller than most ppl think”
Pretty high loss😂
That's what she said... sorry... had to...
Now a week or two at an airport parking lot I would be impressed
.Cool, very cool. Nice to see you taking care of your Tesla.
Love the sound of cold snow
I have a 2013 Model S that took the brunt of the polar vortex here in Minnesota this year. Parked outside (usually plugged in) with temperatures at -18F (-28C). The heat reached it's limit and was only able to bring the interior up to 58F, but it was still comfortable enough for my 25mi commute. My only concern was the electric bill, this car is hungry in the cold temps, with wh/mi hitting as high as ~600.
I’m terms of $$ how much is the 600 wh/mi?
58 ?
wh/mi? Are you saying watt hours / mile? Usually, energy use for EVs during driving is expressed as kWh/m. Good efficiency numbers are usually < 2.5kWh/m. Are you saying you got 0.6kWh/m (which would be the same thing as 600 Wh/m)? If you are, that's a truly horrible number. For reference, the Hummer EV, probably the most inefficient EV out there, gets you 1.6 kWh/m. Maybe I'm not understanding you.
Yes, here in the UK public charging is already twice the price of diesel per mile in the best of times, so possible 4x the price of diesel? - or 13p vs mile (diesel) vs 53p per mile (tesla in the cold)? - imagine going a 500 mile trip, that's 7 stops or around 14 hours of charging and £265 in electricity cost, vs 1 comfort stop (no need to fuel up) and around £65 in diesel.
I believe that this is because your 2013 model doesn't have a heat pump which all the newer Teslas do have which heat much faster and with alot less energy consumed
Nice to see someone on youtube from Saskatoon with a Tesla, this is great. I am always curious how the electric cars can handle our weather extremes and also the fact we don't have the same charging infrastructure as other places, how well you are able to get around the province. At least the Model 3 has a decent range. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks for watching!
@@SaskTechIdeas can you tell us where you got that app?
@B EVs have no problem starting in the cold. ICE do. But, EVs lost half their range, while gas cars lose very little. Or at least you dont notice it.
@@bmw803ice don't lose that much you don't idle just drive slowly for a minute or so
Off topic, but I used to live in Saskatchewan for years when I was younger (around 2005?), I miss that snow... Currently in Vancouver
Holy crap I'm so glad you washed it! Looks so shiny and clean now!
I drive a 2012 KIA Soul- no touch screens, no EV battery to catch fire.......12 Gals of fuel equals over 360 miles of driving and 3 minutes refuels it......
I hope your Tesla is still working well for you......the EV battery fires are getting more and more frequent here in the USA and in the Global market....
I am still driving my V8 Ford. Not the best built vehicle...but it can sit for weeks and still start ok and no range has been lost...even if it sits there for a year!
EVs are far less likely to catch fire than ICE cars. Stop falling for dumb propaganda, just look up fire statistics.
This just reminded me of the day that I left my iPhone in the freezer
My Santa Fe ICE got cold soaked overnight (accidentally) with -29'C temperatures. Started with no issues, just cranked for a few seconds, and I let it warm up while I cleared the snow off of it and the driveway. When finished clearing the snow (about 20 minutes), nice and warm in the car and still almost FULL range available.
Another great video Josh! Very informative for the Canadian prairie folk. Keep up the good work!
Super cool video about this Tesla car performing in the cold.
Good videos because people keep saying you can’t have a Tesla in the cold winter. Seems to work just fine.
Thanks for this! Would love to see when it hits -40!
Ditto, or -30s if it doesn't hit -40 this year.
Thanks - yes I’ll try it again on a really cold night. Question is, do I leave sentry on for that test to compare apples to apples? Or turn it off to get best case scenario?
@@SaskTechIdeas ideally, the world would like to know both cases!
@@CleanEnergyShow Thinking about it more, I don't know if I'd even be comfortable leaving the car out on the street overnight without sentry on. Ha.
@@SaskTechIdeas I know! But science! Maybe on a very cold night no one will be out vandalizing.
Its been 3 years
Could you make an update video talking about its total capacity and how much battery wear has happened and compare it to Tesla's in warmer climates with similar miles
My guess would be that the battery where would happen much faster in the cold
Look at chicago and all the useless teslas being towed because they dont work. EV are dogshit vehicals.
Should have done one with sentry mode on and one with it off
That rabbit at the start of the video is instant love ❤
Tesla is a marvel of engineering.
Super informational video! Also, is no one going to talk about the cute white bunny?
His name is super...
It would be very nice to see a video on what maintenance electric vehicles need. REALLY enjoyed your video on the battery in cold weather .much much better then expected
I've heard worse stories so maybe diff in Tesla's models.
Does anyone notice the JDM Odyssey passing through at 4:55?
Great video, thank you for doing this research! 👍
Car wash was satisfying!
That seems like significant loss to me. It would have been nice to see the same test without Sentry Mode running.
It is. But as the battery warms up you get that range back. But even if you don't it's still more than enough for 99% of your trips.
@@onedankind8168 depends where you are going.
@@drewfeld836 Good point, but if you were planning to go far, you would plug it anyway. The only way you get screwed is if you're in apartments and there isnt anywhere to plug.
Yeah, Sentry Mode uses huge amount of energy. Probably about half of the loss is SM.
Yes, one of the glaring problems of these stupid vehicles. That you ALWAYS have access to a charging point and you don’t have power outages. Some idiot here in police state of Australia suggested that people in the older parts of the city where they have to park on the street in front would have charging points run from their homes under fences, some heritage listed, under the footpath to the edge, under a lockable hatch in the path. You would have to get the exact spot and what happens to the rain and the hole for it. And when the deluges cause flooding in the gutters. So apartments have to have allocated parking spots for everyone and charging their own metered charging point. Anyone visiting?
Can you do more videos of just the car wash?
LoL
I don't understand this fascination everyone here has with a simple carwash.
This video raises an interesting question of what is the longest amount of time I can leave a Tesla model 3 parked at a warm airport and a cold airport?
It can go months if you turn off Sentry mode or anything that can wake the car, temperature would be irrelevant.
@@GregHassler definitely not months, I've heard much less at a warm climate. Something like a week or two i think?
@@camaroman101 no, months is easily possible. See Bjorn Nylands videos. He spent like 5 months in Thailand and left his Model 3 at the airport successfully. You have to turn off sentry mode and not check on the car with the app, just let it sleep.
You'll never know will you?...because the temperature can change drastically...at least in the prairies where this video is shot. That to me is a big detraction from owning any E.V....you never seem to know exactly how far you can reliably drive , and you are a constant prisoner of that range display. We never had that problem with ICE vehicles. They always had more than enough range when temperatures change drastically.
Excellent video, ordering a model 3 next week.
Nice to see local to me videos
Thank you so much for doing this. I was thinking of cancelling my cyber truck pre-order being in Calgary. This inspires confidence.
I have been driving in Calgary with a Tesla Model 3 SR+ for the past year plus and sharing all the data and the experience. I have a CyberTruck on order two... th-cam.com/video/kUyXckuek0Q/w-d-xo.html
@@RockyMountainTesla Can I ask what you do to afford 2 Tesla vehicles when you are unable to correctly use the word "two (too)" in a sentence ?
@@wpgspecb blame auto-correct?
@@the_sheet REAL wealth wouldnt be in the comment section .
@@wpgspecb
If you’re wondering how to gain wealth, but also say it isn’t in the comment section. What are you doing here? Take your own advice.
i to park outside at all times in Montreal, i also don't plug her in every night during winter (2nd winter). I leave it in % vs KM and don't give it any attention, like your phone, when its time to charge i charge. usually around 30-40% to 90%. I have a LRRWD April 2019, one of the very last ones before they discontinued that variant. I will say i do charge twice as much in winter than summer but it's still waaaaaaaayyy cheaper than gas. Hydro costs 30$ a month in summer, 55$ in winter, what a joke versus 160$-200$ on gas a month with my previous Hyundai Tucson. Range loss plus sentry is a true killer of range but at roughly 5$ a top off who really cares at this point, I surely don't lol, only people who don't own one because they can't understand the different way of thinking or lifestyle you need to adapt for EV habits, which to me is just natural. It isn't as bad as people who make it out to be, again the people who don't own one.
Take it from me... THE BEST CAR EVER PERIOD.
The first winter we had our Tesla, we had to park outside and the total electric bill was $320 instead of the pre-Tesla bill of $140. Charging with 120 V below minus 10 C couldn't keep the battery warm enough to charge, so morning range was about the same as the previous day. The nearest supercharger was a 224 KM round trip.
What about people who can't put a level plug at home is it good for them. Charging at home isn't a choice for some only charging out of the house is
I just want my car to revolve around my lifestyle not the other way around.
Usually gas includes special taxes. If we ban ICE cars and use only EVs do you think that you will charge your car on that price? In Europe you pay special taxes that ranges from € 345 to € 813 per 1000 litres. If for example you pay €1750 for 1000 litres the €728 is special taxes. Italy has also a 21% VAT in gas and only 10% VAT for electricity. My point is that yes electricity is cheaper now, but let's not pretend that this will last forever. My guess is that it will be worse with electricity in the future because the globe will be energy starved under current power philosophies. Hopefully, Hydrogen ICE and/or Fuel Cell engines will be a good alternative soon.
For those of you in warm climates who might not know, it's completely normal to plug in (oil pan warmer and sometimes 12V battery warmer) even a ICE vehicle when it's forecast to be particularly cold. The takeaway from that being that it shouldn't be viewed as odd that a Tesla does better in cold climates when plugged in overnight. Leave an ICE unplugged overnight in very cold weather and it's possible it won't even turn over so you have zero range.
It was -14F the other day in Western NY. My 2015 Volt? Push the button and go. The TDI with a not functioning block heater started, but it was ruff!!!.
Great video. Would love to see same test done with new model 3 with a heat pump.
I really enjoyed your video. The car wash at the end was satisfying too. 😁
Love how the power washer just cleaned off most of the dirt without the need of soap.
By the way , I think this video fairly sums up that you need at least a driveway to own a Tesla. Can't expect to not charge it every 1-2 days in this kind of weather.
PPF and Ceramic coating helps