Lithium based batteries are not supposed to be charged below freezing point (0"C) with a current exceeding 0.1 capacity. Teslas can do this thanks to the battery heating feature. But the car had a low battery charge, so the battery heating switched off to save the battery from a fatal depletion. Another example of a car being smarter than the user.
Yes, I’ve read something similar, the Tesla Supercharger voltage is too high so they don’t charge fast until they get to a certain temperature to ensure there is no damage to the battery. The main thing with these EV’s is that you cannot just get up and go in any condition like ICE. You need to plan ahead for a number of scenarios, and although you would do the same for ICE it’s a different technology. Sure ICE needs to warm up but if they have synthetic oil you can go within 30 seconds in extreme cold temperatures. My car will warm up to operating temperature in about 4 minutes even in -20 Celsius, with a Tesla you might not even be able to start it, so you need to factor these things in to your lifestyle as an EV Owner I think
Not the case, I just had the same exact problem minus the charge level and I was at 50%. Appears to be a problem with the superchargers themselves. I have to stay charged up for work so I had to drive 30 km to a slower charger in order to get topped up. There are 8 stalls outside of Calgary that have multiple super chargers not working. Tesla needs to fix this fast as they are the only super chargers within an hour’s drive round trip.
@@gmat2545 what's not the case? The issue here was battery being cold and having to get warmer in order to actually start charging. The video doesn't say it was because of the low state of charge, but because of the temperature, so what exactly are your disagreeing here with? If you want to charge fast in cold temperatures make sure to precondition the battery in advance (by selecting the supercharger as the destination in the navigation screen). It will still take a while to precondition it, but at least you will spend most of the time of not all driving.
Still the car could message this better. It's not intuitive at all that this is happening so if there is no information on the screen, you will think something's wrong. I don't know if anything changed in this regard in the last year, who knows, they update their cars all the time.
The Supercharger would’ve worked the first time. You just had to give it more time. I’ve seen this happen before. The display doesn’t show energy that is being used by the car for heating purposes. Since you weren’t able to precondition the battery because of how low it was, it had to do that at the Supercharger. Given a little more time, it would’ve reached the ideal temperature, and it would’ve started charging. However, Tesla should release an update that makes that a little more clear with a notification on the screen of some sort.
100% agree. I’ve seen too many people come to the superchargers and do the exact same thing that I was doing in the video. There isn’t enough awareness for this practice 🧐
@@siasegos they were exactly the same... On the screen on destination charges Tesla shows the power deliver to the plug, but when charging via Direct Current (fast charging and super charging) you se the power going into the battery. In both cases no power went to the battery because the battery was below 0°C. But when charging at the destination charger, the power consumption off the electrical heater will be shown on the screen.
Actually, nope. I left mine plugged in for 1.5 hours (after trying different stalls etc) and it did nothing but drain down from 16% to 0 and left me completely stranded in -6° F.
TL;DR - he didn't precondition the battery before arriving at the supercharger, and then didn't wait long enough for the battery to heat up so it could start charging.
You didn't precondition it?! Just leave it plugged in once it starts if that's the case. Sometimes takes up to 15 mins at those temps to have the battery be able to accept charge.
There really should be something on the display to indicate what's going on. If all he had to do was wait, it should have been more obvious. Someone new to the car could be put in a dangerous situation.
Ok, if you didn't preheat your battery and supercharger in not working. If and only if do it safely, make 10-15 full paddle 0-80km acceleration with 30 secs apart. Your battery will be heated up just enough for charging, and as it charge it will get faster. A warm battery is a happy battery.
Hey there, you should just have left it at the supercharger for longer. When your battery is that cold the car spends 7 kW of heat to heat up the battery. I would probably take 5-10 minutes for the battery to meet a temperature which would give you juice. The only reason it did charge of AC right away is that it would never reach enough heat on AC and it wanted to give you some range as it was plugged in. In this case I believe the DC charging would be better for the battery. In the cold we always charge the car right away when the battery is warm, if we would start it at night it would spend 15-30 minutes heating up the battery before charging.
Yepp I went back later close to the end of the video and learned that’s what superchargers do! Crazy charging for almost an hour vs 20 mins it takes in the summer
@@teslapeg It would still be 20 minutes in the winter if you charge with a hot battery after a long road trip and preconditioned the battery. Charging lithium ion batteries in negative degrees is the worst you can do with the battery because it causes lithium plating on the anode. That’s why Tesla prevents it to charge when the pack is negative degrees, if you just let it sit it on the supercharger it will eventually charge after it has heated up but it can take some time. They could probably inform better on the screen.
I'm pretty sure the SC at -28C was working, but you would need to wait for it to first warm your battery. Only then would it begin to charge. 10-15 minutes maybe? What I don't know is if it would allow you to simultaneously heat your cabin.
It does actually. At the end of the video I admit that it was all my fault as I was being restless. I could have wait a a little while and the superchargers would have started working as soon as my battery was warm.
Btw my hybrid Toyota Highlander was not starting and would strand me away from home. Temperatures here, Edmonton, have been -20 since November. I had 100,000 miles on it and the battery would soon need replacing si I traded 2014 Hhighlander in for a 2019 standard RAV4.
There should be more videos talking about the cable safety lock mechanism not engaging in cold weather. I think the notch on the cable doesn’t line up with the car’s mechanical lock due to plastic shrinkage… maybe?
I have a model s and so far I gotta say tesla overall not yet ready for places like sask. During the winter I store my tesla and I take out my wrangler and it just works.
@@abdisalamroble3119 at the time there weren't much information on how well tesla performed in extreme cold weather. But I wanted buy one anyways because I had the money and it's as fast as a supercar at a fraction of a cost. The car is absolute dog water in minus 30 weather especially if you have a long commute on daily basis. It's built for places like California where you have nice weather most days of the year.
I would double check about the blue bar on the battery icon. My understanding is that energy is not available when the battery is cold, so it cannot be used to heat up the battery. Instead the battery must be warmed by grid power, or by the ambient weather getting warmer.
Imagine pulling up a gas station with an ICE car and the attendance there says to you that you have to wait for 15 minutes for him to melt the "gas" before you can pump it to your gas tank because it's too cold.
Exactly why I won’t be buying an EV anytime soon (living in Saskatchewan and it regularly gets to -40). At least, not until battery and charging technology has some major breakthroughs
If you're not the type of person with good time management, it'll be hard. But if you live in a house, it's all good as you can charge at home. I can't charge as I live in an apartment which lead me to this video.
@@jordanamoth6724 I own a chademo adapter myself. A lot of the times, you have to fiddle to make sure the charger is plugged in properly. Two times the station was broken. I usually use an L2 charge and climate to help warm the battery up. Then I plug in ChaDeMO in areas without a supercharger.
Most interesting video and comments. The perfect storm for EVs. Extremely low temperatures and cannot charge at home. EVs are not the answer for everyone in Western Canada until battery technology improves. Better days will come and eventually EVs will show complete superiority over ICE. After all, NASA's Mars rovers are EVs and are designed to operate during the Martian winter where it can get as cold as -99°c.
Thanks for that info. I knew about conditioning the battery by setting the Supercharger as the destination, but I am very surprised that it will not precondition if below 20%.I am also very surprised that even if the battery was super cold, that it would not accept any charge! That is bad. I am getting my LR M3 in 2 weeks in Ottawa, so similar weather conditions as you. I live 5k from a new V3, so I will have to try that out.
Hey Philip! Thanks for watching my video again. To be quite honest, you got nothing to worry about if you live in a house where you can charge your vehicle but remember my tips on the video in case you need to use the supercharger
As far as I know my company EVinsulate is the only one that provides products that help Tesla owners who live in cold climates. Currently I only offer Model 3 products but I'll be introducing Model Y insulation within the next couple of weeks.
I think Tesla software should be more informative and instead of just showing 0 kW charging, it should also show how many kW flow from the supercharger to the battery heater and what is the current battery temp. It would give you enough info to see if the process is going in the right direction. Without that info displayed, everyone would get uneasy and tense.
For how long had you been driving before you plugged it in at 11 percent? If you would have been driving for a while the SuC would have been fine. I had had my Tesla out in the cold for a couple of days. I just waited for 15-30 min before it started showing power on the screen. What's happening is that the heater is running to heat up the battery. That power is not shown.
@@teslapeg My home is not in Sundsvall. I was visiting a friend. I had no problem waiting a while to get it charged before leaving. Me and my friend ate pizza hut and had a good long time to say goodbye :). I could have walked for 15 min the day before to put it at a charger over night but i wasn't in a rush as i said.
I'm also in Winnipeg. How do you get your Tesla fixed if you get into a collision that requires more complex repairs beyond just bodywork? Do you know if they have plans to have a service centre?
Sorry guy, but that was way too long to make your point. Many know that you need to precondition the battery and your title is confusing and click-bait. I really don't like when people do that it is dishonest. Please don't do that anymore. I appreciate you are trying to get more subs and provide info, but you need to be more concise and short.
Hey I watch your content a lot, it’s very resourceful! I understand your point but I try and deliver on what the title says as much as possible and I think I achieved this for this video. Also my videos are long as my current subs would like content in a vlog format so I try and deliver on that. As for viewers like yourself you would just want the straight out information and tips, I segment my videos and add chapter so that people can skip through with ease and get to the real meat of it.
Some Superchargers provide one ore two free L2 Tesla charger with a J1772 plug. In cold locations, if L2 works fine to rescue a stranded car, may be it would be a good idea to always provide an additional L2 charger.
This would solve nothing, because the supercharger worked, the problem was with the communication to the user what's going on and leaving him confused. If you had L2 charger, you'd spend much more time at the charger because you have to do all the things Tesla does at the supercharger but with lower power.
@@zbyszanna L2 chargers can deliver up to around 11kW which would warm a very cold battery to a point where it would be able to accept charge/miles when subsequently plugged a DC fast charger. If you do not run the cabin heater, most if not all Tesla vehicles would not pull more than 11kW when the traction battery is too cold to accept a charge. A DC fast charger is basically equivalent to a L2 charger until a -30C cold soaked traction battery is warm enough to start to accept charge/miles. Kyle's cold soaked Model 3 took 45 minutes to begin to accept a charge and that is exactly how long it would have taken if he had plugged into a L2 11kW capable AC charger. From Kyle's video, the power draw from the pedestal was under 8kW until the point where the battery started to accept a charge.
hi. video has an interesting premise - but I'd recommend planning it out and making the video to match : it gets confusing. i) try to never let it unplugged in cold weather. ii) don't let it drop to below 20% charge. iii) always precondition : if you cannot go to any 240v/30a instead of wasting money on a Tesla SC. note : the driver "next" to you was more than one stall away - thus not drawing any of your power. It goes by #+letter, like in 1A->1B, 2A->2B ...etc. also since they are 150kw .. IF you did have a stall-mate it'd drop to 75kw (1/2). Good luck with your next one.
@@Aupexx and yet is works like a charm .. I've even been a bit reckless (on the 25th Dec.) and wound-up with 0% and was able to connect to a super-charger :: just took a lot longer than usual.
@marcgrondin65 well that's at least good to hear. But as someone who lives where it can get down to -40 pretty regularly in the winter I think it's a risk I'm not ready to take yet. Even running gas engines in this cold can be risky. You almost NEED a diesel up here for 1 month of the year.
Not an EV owner or expert but I have seen a few videos on youtube of the Tesla battery charging fine at -40C but I bet they preconditioned their battery a lot more than you did prior to supercharging.
I figured out the problem. Ur battery was too cold. Tip. Don’t let ur battery go below 15% preheat and drive around for awhile. Or go to a store and leave the HVAC running on high. Come back to the super charger and u should get a charge
Right now I am completely stranded in my model 3 with charge at 0%. It is -6°. I left for the supercharger when my battery was at 40%. I navigated to the supercharger to precondition the battery. When I arrived at the supercharger my battery was at 16%. It would NOT charge. I guess the battery stopped preconditioning when it got to 20%, and it got too cold between that point and reaching the supercharger. I tried moving stalls, restarting the computer, using the trickle charger, trying a close by J1772, contacting Tesla (only heard useless recordings, no real people). Now it's midnight and I'm completely stuck in a tiny little mountain town where I don't know anyone. I feel so discouraged. Tow truck or 911 will save me eventually. 😥 Send prayers! I wish there had been a way to override the 20% rule. I was already here. I just needed to be able to warn up the battery. Maybe someday they'll fix this kind of problem in an update.
Ha ha, dude was in complete panic mode. I would wait at least 5-10 minutes on 3rd supercharger. Who also was surprised that he didn't close door when it is - 30C outside. Great video regardless.
The car determine The amount of current that it receives based on the temperature of the battery. If the charger is very slow it means it is warming up the battery and you need to leave it in. Battery technology is the limiting factor Not the charger
I find it interesting and leads to a solution. Tesla EV would not charge at all in super cold, and unable to pre condition at low levels of battery at level 3 chargers. However no problem at level 2 charger. Why not have level 2 charging available in Canada and northern US supercharger stations to help those poor folk.
Not really his fault. Tesla should explain what is doing. There should be message "Heating up battery" and/or write how much energy is pullet and how much goes to battery.
North of Canada looks something like south of Russia. EV engineers should work hard on heating issues, it's a shame that EVs take so much energy at winter.
I'm a happy Leaf user in Russian winter. The only problem is iced windshield which takes some battery charge to de-ice. I also have some ICE cars, but they are likely to rest all the winter as I'm too lazy to wait while they heat up before driving. In a Leaf, you just press the button and drive.
That’s a good question. The heat pump is meant to heat up your cabin more efficiently so I don’t think a heat pump would have made much of a difference considering it is the warmth of the battery that is needed
If you in 1 someone charging in 3 both of you are drawing from same power load move to 2 or 4 On the out power supply if no in 2 or 4 the charging speed will get faster until some Else go into 4 your in 2 then again it will slow charging speed
Issue is you have 1 motor, standard range battery. So 2 motors can go into inefficient mode, to generate heat 3.5 kWh each, making it total 7 kWh on dual motor/perf car, so it will heat up itself much faster, to get better battery temp. And yes, in -20 C and more, you need to wait on DC charger till battery will heat up to +10atleast
Tesla should do this long ago, actually Model 3 has a DC to AC inverter. It is possible for the Supercharge to supply 5-10 kw just for heating up the battery.
Apparently you are a rookie when It comes to a Battery power car,here's a tip for you:Never let your Tesla Battery Drop below 30%,Especially in your Country
Norway has a huge number of BEVs and doing quite well. Remember that Teslapeg states their was simply confusion because the Tesla did not display the energy being used to heat the battery at the supercharger. So the Tesla software definitely needs a tweak; that's not an indictment of BEVs in cold weather.
@@dfgriggs remember that I lived in Winnipeg for 25 years and have owned BEVs for 6 years (I currently own 2) and you have likely done neither. You'd have to be insane to own a BEV in Winnipeg (either that or you just want a golf cart level toy).
Not your fault at all. This should have been explained by the seller or the Tesla should have given you the info once back in car in these situations. An oversight by the Tesla that might cause someone’s life in -40
That is extremely odd! I remember one minus 30 degree day in New Hampshire...without wind chill. My 8 year old Chevy with 150,000 miles.... fired right up and I drove 300 miles to a gas station to fill up. Then continued on without a hitch to the warmer climes of Florida. Good thing I couldn't afford a tesla at the time.
In cold places, Canadians have block heaters to guarantee starting at < -20C. Subarctic towns have plug-in parking meters. Folks gladly pay to park/warm!
100% clickbait. "My Tesla Won't Charge In -30C Weather In Canada" -- Yes it will. " Tesla Supercharger Not Working" -- Yes it is. An honest title would have been "Tesla Charging Problems in Cold Canada And How To Avoid Them.
This guy is not been honest. He never show exactly how long he wait before switching to another supercharger. I'm sure if he wait enough the charging starts. Who in his normal state of mind lets the battery empty out like this in the winter? Doesn't he have a home? This is a BS click bait video that only proves: owns a TESLA do not guarantee a girlfriend/boyfriend.
If I showed you the entire time that I’ve been waiting, this video would be one hour and no one would watch it as it will be very boring. And no I don’t have a home where I can charge and unfortunate circumstances lead close to 0% Lastly, buying materialistic things to attract a partner in life is not ideal and I won’t recommend it
@@teslapeg Rule #1 in became a successful TH-camr is: Do NOT mislead. I could go on n on about the title, the way u constructed your narrative but, is not worth it . BTW, your underground garage is full of outlets, Sure u can reach one agreement with the administration . AND again your reply is not honest.
Good grief. I'll stay with a gas car until they have the 35 things you have to do to your battery worked out. Empty and full that's all it needs to be. Not this range doesn't equal this range today or the next day. preconditioning through my app every time I go out and want to use my car? Pass
The newer model shows significant improvement. After all, these cars got a proper introduction after Tesla started making them. Gas cars have been here way longer than electric so it’s only fit to say they have a few advantages. But those advantages won’t last long as EVs are developing very fast
I gotta agree with u there i dont see how electric cars can overcome these inherent challenges. Range loss and preheating during winter make it impractical as a daily driver in freezing winter. Also if you get stuck its not like you can bring a separate battery along with you to get you going to ur destination. It would be just enough to get to ur next charging station. With ice engines you can just carry around extra fuel in a jerry can even if nearest gas station is far away. It would be interesting to see how much faster fast these batteries deplete over the years of use.
EV's, including Teslas, are Not Safe in very cold Temps travelling distance. Fixable economically with insulation, chemical heat source and slightly bigger battery. Not practical yet. Tesla needs to fix. Why haven't they?
People are so brainwashed to use these toys in the cold climate. If you had a diesel car, you would be warm inside the car and a fill up would be 4 minutes. and enjoy life.
EV vehicles are ok in places like California but in Canadian winters this is not ideal. This is just another example of it. Calling Tesla was also not helpful at all. Range anxiety, car handles malfuntioning, quality control issues, battery depletion from just sitting there are all issues that you don't have with gas vehicles. I think eventually EV will be the future but they still have a long way to go.
@@dfgriggs Everything I stated is accurate. Don't just be a Tesla fan boy and think they are perfect. They are the future for sure but you can't deny there are flaws especially in colder climates.
Thanks for the video! I will say though you are being much too hard on yourself with this situation. This isn't "your fault", it's a bad design from Tesla. There was no status screen, indicator saying that the battery needed to be preconditioned and just wait etc. You did what any user would do- drove to the charging station and plugged it in before the battery died. That should be all you need to do and it should be obvious if the charger is working. It should simply just work. People pay $80K for a car and you need to have all these tips and tricks for basic usage and Tesla support isn't open on Sundays? That's not a good experience, is it? I live in Minneapolis and while it doesn't get as cold as it does in Winnipeg, situations like this and the 40% loss in battery range during the cold are why I want to get a PHEV especially when I'm in a rural area hunting and no chargers are in sight. I can cut my gas usage in half or 75% perhaps commuting on electric but if I plan on making a few stops after work to see a movie or meet a friend for dinner before I head home in the winter or go out hunting I won't get stranded and still have a full tank of gas.
Lithium based batteries are not supposed to be charged below freezing point (0"C) with a current exceeding 0.1 capacity. Teslas can do this thanks to the battery heating feature. But the car had a low battery charge, so the battery heating switched off to save the battery from a fatal depletion. Another example of a car being smarter than the user.
Thanks for the information 😁
Yes, I’ve read something similar, the Tesla Supercharger voltage is too high so they don’t charge fast until they get to a certain temperature to ensure there is no damage to the battery. The main thing with these EV’s is that you cannot just get up and go in any condition like ICE. You need to plan ahead for a number of scenarios, and although you would do the same for ICE it’s a different technology.
Sure ICE needs to warm up but if they have synthetic oil you can go within 30 seconds in extreme cold temperatures. My car will warm up to operating temperature in about 4 minutes even in -20 Celsius, with a Tesla you might not even be able to start it, so you need to factor these things in to your lifestyle as an EV Owner I think
Not the case, I just had the same exact problem minus the charge level and I was at 50%. Appears to be a problem with the superchargers themselves. I have to stay charged up for work so I had to drive 30 km to a slower charger in order to get topped up. There are 8 stalls outside of Calgary that have multiple super chargers not working. Tesla needs to fix this fast as they are the only super chargers within an hour’s drive round trip.
@@gmat2545 what's not the case? The issue here was battery being cold and having to get warmer in order to actually start charging. The video doesn't say it was because of the low state of charge, but because of the temperature, so what exactly are your disagreeing here with?
If you want to charge fast in cold temperatures make sure to precondition the battery in advance (by selecting the supercharger as the destination in the navigation screen). It will still take a while to precondition it, but at least you will spend most of the time of not all driving.
Still the car could message this better. It's not intuitive at all that this is happening so if there is no information on the screen, you will think something's wrong. I don't know if anything changed in this regard in the last year, who knows, they update their cars all the time.
The Supercharger would’ve worked the first time. You just had to give it more time. I’ve seen this happen before. The display doesn’t show energy that is being used by the car for heating purposes. Since you weren’t able to precondition the battery because of how low it was, it had to do that at the Supercharger. Given a little more time, it would’ve reached the ideal temperature, and it would’ve started charging. However, Tesla should release an update that makes that a little more clear with a notification on the screen of some sort.
100% agree. I’ve seen too many people come to the superchargers and do the exact same thing that I was doing in the video. There isn’t enough awareness for this practice 🧐
@@teslapeg What I can not understand is why it worked at DC and not at SC...
@@siasegos they were exactly the same...
On the screen on destination charges Tesla shows the power deliver to the plug, but when charging via Direct Current (fast charging and super charging) you se the power going into the battery.
In both cases no power went to the battery because the battery was below 0°C. But when charging at the destination charger, the power consumption off the electrical heater will be shown on the screen.
Actually, nope. I left mine plugged in for 1.5 hours (after trying different stalls etc) and it did nothing but drain down from 16% to 0 and left me completely stranded in -6° F.
If Tesla can’t fix this problem I may have to sell mine and go back to full hybrid or plug-in hybrid…
TL;DR - he didn't precondition the battery before arriving at the supercharger, and then didn't wait long enough for the battery to heat up so it could start charging.
You didn't precondition it?! Just leave it plugged in once it starts if that's the case. Sometimes takes up to 15 mins at those temps to have the battery be able to accept charge.
Yeah I’m just waiting for it to be -40 here in Winnipeg so I can make a video on how it works
15 min before it can charge? Sorry but where I live it gets as cold as -50°C (-58°F), that extra 15 min is a deal breaker for me.
Still has a lot of room for improvement but I believe it’ll get there in a few years
There really should be something on the display to indicate what's going on. If all he had to do was wait, it should have been more obvious. Someone new to the car could be put in a dangerous situation.
Ok, if you didn't preheat your battery and supercharger in not working. If and only if do it safely, make 10-15 full paddle 0-80km acceleration with 30 secs apart. Your battery will be heated up just enough for charging, and as it charge it will get faster. A warm battery is a happy battery.
Hey there, you should just have left it at the supercharger for longer. When your battery is that cold the car spends 7 kW of heat to heat up the battery. I would probably take 5-10 minutes for the battery to meet a temperature which would give you juice. The only reason it did charge of AC right away is that it would never reach enough heat on AC and it wanted to give you some range as it was plugged in. In this case I believe the DC charging would be better for the battery.
In the cold we always charge the car right away when the battery is warm, if we would start it at night it would spend 15-30 minutes heating up the battery before charging.
Yepp I went back later close to the end of the video and learned that’s what superchargers do! Crazy charging for almost an hour vs 20 mins it takes in the summer
@@teslapeg It would still be 20 minutes in the winter if you charge with a hot battery after a long road trip and preconditioned the battery. Charging lithium ion batteries in negative degrees is the worst you can do with the battery because it causes lithium plating on the anode. That’s why Tesla prevents it to charge when the pack is negative degrees, if you just let it sit it on the supercharger it will eventually charge after it has heated up but it can take some time. They could probably inform better on the screen.
Winnipeg has floods in the spring, mosquitoes in the summer and cold and high winds in the winter. Brutal!
A minute or two ain’t gonna cut it dude, it takes a while and cold weather
thankfully they display a message now saying so
Tesla road side assistance is not a Tesla vehicle I see.
That's why he made it!
I'm pretty sure the SC at -28C was working, but you would need to wait for it to first warm your battery. Only then would it begin to charge. 10-15 minutes maybe? What I don't know is if it would allow you to simultaneously heat your cabin.
It does actually. At the end of the video I admit that it was all my fault as I was being restless. I could have wait a a little while and the superchargers would have started working as soon as my battery was warm.
drinking game:
take a shot every time he says "Tesla supercharger"
😂
Btw my hybrid Toyota Highlander was not starting and would strand me away from home. Temperatures here, Edmonton, have been -20 since November. I had 100,000 miles on it and the battery would soon need replacing si I traded 2014 Hhighlander in for a 2019 standard RAV4.
A very wise choice!
There should be more videos talking about the cable safety lock mechanism not engaging in cold weather. I think the notch on the cable doesn’t line up with the car’s mechanical lock due to plastic shrinkage… maybe?
The least that the car can do is tell the driver that it has paused charging to precondition the battery
When even the NES blowing trick doesn’t work it’s definitely time to panic
Panik to the MAX haha
I have a model s and so far I gotta say tesla overall not yet ready for places like sask. During the winter I store my tesla and I take out my wrangler and it just works.
Why did you buy
@@abdisalamroble3119 at the time there weren't much information on how well tesla performed in extreme cold weather. But I wanted buy one anyways because I had the money and it's as fast as a supercar at a fraction of a cost. The car is absolute dog water in minus 30 weather especially if you have a long commute on daily basis. It's built for places like California where you have nice weather most days of the year.
@@johngordon4624 ya the wife and i are probably going to wait a few years before we jump into the ev market. Its like -30 here all winter
I would double check about the blue bar on the battery icon. My understanding is that energy is not available when the battery is cold, so it cannot be used to heat up the battery. Instead the battery must be warmed by grid power, or by the ambient weather getting warmer.
Imagine pulling up a gas station with an ICE car and the attendance there says to you that you have to wait for 15 minutes for him to melt the "gas" before you can pump it to your gas tank because it's too cold.
Exactly why I won’t be buying an EV anytime soon (living in Saskatchewan and it regularly gets to -40). At least, not until battery and charging technology has some major breakthroughs
Yeah, I just pull up and say fill her up and a couple of minutes later I'm back on the road! Easy-peasy! lol
Tesla was created with sunny temperatures, hate to say it, but it's not for us Canadians in winter conditions, it's great for Florida and Los Angelas
Hell yeah. Over here in sask I had all these questions but thank you. I am now buying one.
Good luck! Congratulations on the new car 😁
I was looking into electric vehicles but its clear now they just are not worth the hassle for the Canadian winters
If you're not the type of person with good time management, it'll be hard. But if you live in a house, it's all good as you can charge at home. I can't charge as I live in an apartment which lead me to this video.
@@teslapeg Yeah the infrastructure in my province just isn't there yet either there is 1 supercharger in my province and its 4 hours away
So gasoline engines are always easy to start at those temperatures?
@@dfgriggs Not sure I drive diesel and have never had any issues in -25 weather
@@dfgriggs Mine always starts!
Some Tesla’s you have to like tap the back left light using the tesla charger to charge it maybe???
Lmao. You don’t need to do that in ANY Tesla 😂
@@teslapeg I AM SO DUMB wait so they just do that for like fun??????
@@Whts.jc0b you can tap it with your finger to open the charge door, or press a button on the charge hose to open the door.
Another tip. There is an L2 charger at the Polo Park mall, 300 metres away from the supercharger. You could of used that
Haha I got learn about that later 😂
It's really too bad you didn't have a chatamoe connector it would have been interesting to set if that would've worked
@@jordanamoth6724 I own a chademo adapter myself. A lot of the times, you have to fiddle to make sure the charger is plugged in properly. Two times the station was broken.
I usually use an L2 charge and climate to help warm the battery up. Then I plug in ChaDeMO in areas without a supercharger.
Most interesting video and comments. The perfect storm for EVs. Extremely low temperatures and cannot charge at home. EVs are not the answer for everyone in Western Canada until battery technology improves. Better days will come and eventually EVs will show complete superiority over ICE. After all, NASA's Mars rovers are EVs and are designed to operate during the Martian winter where it can get as cold as -99°c.
Thanks for that info. I knew about conditioning the battery by setting the Supercharger as the destination, but I am very surprised that it will not precondition if below 20%.I am also very surprised that even if the battery was super cold, that it would not accept any charge! That is bad. I am getting my LR M3 in 2 weeks in Ottawa, so similar weather conditions as you. I live 5k from a new V3, so I will have to try that out.
Hey Philip! Thanks for watching my video again.
To be quite honest, you got nothing to worry about if you live in a house where you can charge your vehicle but remember my tips on the video in case you need to use the supercharger
Also, congratulations on the new Tesla 😁😁
@@teslapeg Thank you, Phil
As far as I know my company EVinsulate is the only one that provides products that help Tesla owners who live in cold climates. Currently I only offer Model 3 products but I'll be introducing Model Y insulation within the next couple of weeks.
I guess it could help with the rust as well. That’s a pretty good idea 💡
I think Tesla software should be more informative and instead of just showing 0 kW charging, it should also show how many kW flow from the supercharger to the battery heater and what is the current battery temp. It would give you enough info to see if the process is going in the right direction. Without that info displayed, everyone would get uneasy and tense.
So happy I didn't buy one, it appears to be one expensive nuisance. Opted out for an Acura RDX...... best decision ever.
You are one inpatient dude
Agreed
Thanks so much for the video. The information is very helpful for my brother who lives in a colder area.
Thank you so much for watching! I’m glad I could help 😃
For how long had you been driving before you plugged it in at 11 percent? If you would have been driving for a while the SuC would have been fine. I had had my Tesla out in the cold for a couple of days. I just waited for 15-30 min before it started showing power on the screen. What's happening is that the heater is running to heat up the battery. That power is not shown.
I would just try and keep it plugged into your home next time. The Tesla uses the battery to keep all major instruments warm.
@@teslapeg My home is not in Sundsvall. I was visiting a friend. I had no problem waiting a while to get it charged before leaving. Me and my friend ate pizza hut and had a good long time to say goodbye :). I could have walked for 15 min the day before to put it at a charger over night but i wasn't in a rush as i said.
Oh yes I get it. I wanna take those walks once in a while but at -30 it’s just not appealing
I'm also in Winnipeg. How do you get your Tesla fixed if you get into a collision that requires more complex repairs beyond just bodywork? Do you know if they have plans to have a service centre?
Tesla plan to the have a service center here sometime next year 😃
Good to know. Thanks for the info.
Sorry guy, but that was way too long to make your point. Many know that you need to precondition the battery and your title is confusing and click-bait. I really don't like when people do that it is dishonest. Please don't do that anymore. I appreciate you are trying to get more subs and provide info, but you need to be more concise and short.
Hey I watch your content a lot, it’s very resourceful!
I understand your point but I try and deliver on what the title says as much as possible and I think I achieved this for this video. Also my videos are long as my current subs would like content in a vlog format so I try and deliver on that. As for viewers like yourself you would just want the straight out information and tips, I segment my videos and add chapter so that people can skip through with ease and get to the real meat of it.
It's clickbait. he is already promoting his "future" videos.
I thought the video was fine
Good video, but maybe stop leaving your door open when you get out? Who does that in Winnipeg in January?
Some Superchargers provide one ore two free L2 Tesla charger with a J1772 plug.
In cold locations, if L2 works fine to rescue a stranded car, may be it would be a good idea to always provide an additional L2 charger.
That is true but waiting 2-3 minutes in the supercharger isn’t too bad until the battery warms up and stats charging
This would solve nothing, because the supercharger worked, the problem was with the communication to the user what's going on and leaving him confused. If you had L2 charger, you'd spend much more time at the charger because you have to do all the things Tesla does at the supercharger but with lower power.
@@zbyszanna L2 chargers can deliver up to around 11kW which would warm a very cold battery to a point where it would be able to accept charge/miles when subsequently plugged a DC fast charger. If you do not run the cabin heater, most if not all Tesla vehicles would not pull more than 11kW when the traction battery is too cold to accept a charge. A DC fast charger is basically equivalent to a L2 charger until a -30C cold soaked traction battery is warm enough to start to accept charge/miles. Kyle's cold soaked Model 3 took 45 minutes to begin to accept a charge and that is exactly how long it would have taken if he had plugged into a L2 11kW capable AC charger. From Kyle's video, the power draw from the pedestal was under 8kW until the point where the battery started to accept a charge.
No preconditioning and not waiting for the charging to heat up the battery to be ready to accept a fast charge
Pre-condition your battery before getting to a supercharger yea?
That was the reason why it wouldn't charge?
Yepp
hi. video has an interesting premise - but I'd recommend planning it out and making the video to match : it gets confusing. i) try to never let it unplugged in cold weather. ii) don't let it drop to below 20% charge. iii) always precondition : if you cannot go to any 240v/30a instead of wasting money on a Tesla SC. note : the driver "next" to you was more than one stall away - thus not drawing any of your power. It goes by #+letter, like in 1A->1B, 2A->2B ...etc. also since they are 150kw .. IF you did have a stall-mate it'd drop to 75kw (1/2). Good luck with your next one.
That just sounds like a car I wouldnt want to own in canada honestly
@@Aupexx and yet is works like a charm .. I've even been a bit reckless (on the 25th Dec.) and wound-up with 0% and was able to connect to a super-charger :: just took a lot longer than usual.
@marcgrondin65 well that's at least good to hear. But as someone who lives where it can get down to -40 pretty regularly in the winter I think it's a risk I'm not ready to take yet. Even running gas engines in this cold can be risky. You almost NEED a diesel up here for 1 month of the year.
Not an EV owner or expert but I have seen a few videos on youtube of the Tesla battery charging fine at -40C but I bet they preconditioned their battery a lot more than you did prior to supercharging.
Correct! Even on one of my videos I hit 272kW in -30C weather
I figured out the problem. Ur battery was too cold. Tip. Don’t let ur battery go below 15% preheat and drive around for awhile. Or go to a store and leave the HVAC running on high. Come back to the super charger and u should get a charge
Right now I am completely stranded in my model 3 with charge at 0%. It is -6°. I left for the supercharger when my battery was at 40%. I navigated to the supercharger to precondition the battery. When I arrived at the supercharger my battery was at 16%. It would NOT charge. I guess the battery stopped preconditioning when it got to 20%, and it got too cold between that point and reaching the supercharger. I tried moving stalls, restarting the computer, using the trickle charger, trying a close by J1772, contacting Tesla (only heard useless recordings, no real people). Now it's midnight and I'm completely stuck in a tiny little mountain town where I don't know anyone. I feel so discouraged. Tow truck or 911 will save me eventually. 😥 Send prayers! I wish there had been a way to override the 20% rule. I was already here. I just needed to be able to warn up the battery. Maybe someday they'll fix this kind of problem in an update.
That’s terrible! Seems like you had the exact problem I had in the video
Ha ha, dude was in complete panic mode.
I would wait at least 5-10 minutes on 3rd supercharger.
Who also was surprised that he didn't close door when it is - 30C outside.
Great video regardless.
Your batteries have to be warm. They have a pre-conditioning pre-charge conditioning setting use it
The car determine The amount of current that it receives based on the temperature of the battery. If the charger is very slow it means it is warming up the battery and you need to leave it in. Battery technology is the limiting factor Not the charger
So you need to spend energy from the battery to charge it before actually charging it from a charger? It's utter crap to be honest. Not Canada ready.
I find it interesting and leads to a solution. Tesla EV would not charge at all in super cold, and unable to pre condition at low levels of battery at level 3 chargers.
However no problem at level 2 charger.
Why not have level 2 charging available in Canada and northern US supercharger stations to help those poor folk.
level 2 is too slow and thankfully level 3 chargers and Tesla have developed enough that they don't face this problem anymore
Did you know the YoYo Driving strategy to heat up the battery. This might work even at low battery.
Knock me on my ig as TESLAPEG and teach me Sensei!
I’ll give you a shoutout if it works
Im living in Winnipeg should i buy tesla or not
If you live in a house then 100% If you live in apartment, watch more of my videos to see what you’re getting into
"was actually all my fault for the super charger not working" at 10:43
I’m such a noob. But I saw a few Tesla is doing the exact same thing, so I chose to make this video to raise more awareness.
Not really his fault. Tesla should explain what is doing. There should be message "Heating up battery" and/or write how much energy is pullet and how much goes to battery.
How much does it cost to charge 80% at superchargers in winnipeg ?
I go over it on this video I think
You cold battery will not accept any charge until it warms up, leave it plugged in and wait.
thankfully they display a message now
You should have left plugged in it would have started man your impatient 🤣
I just went through all this panic
I hope this helped tho
North of Canada looks something like south of Russia. EV engineers should work hard on heating issues, it's a shame that EVs take so much energy at winter.
I would love to see a lot of Teslas in Yakutsk 😄 It’ll definitely get better
@@teslapeg Yup, agree :)
@@teslapeg There are some, and a good number of Leafs in Yakutia.
I'm a happy Leaf user in Russian winter. The only problem is iced windshield which takes some battery charge to de-ice. I also have some ICE cars, but they are likely to rest all the winter as I'm too lazy to wait while they heat up before driving. In a Leaf, you just press the button and drive.
Actually, Canada's north is just like Russia's north. Winnipeg is not Canada's north. It's funny how little we know about our own country.
You should have left it plugged in and when to Earl's for bite to eat.
I was panicking. Everything was a blur 😂😂
Would it charge right away if it had a heat pump? Or does heat pumps even work at below -30°C?
That’s a good question. The heat pump is meant to heat up your cabin more efficiently so I don’t think a heat pump would have made much of a difference considering it is the warmth of the battery that is needed
@@teslapeg the heat pump alså warmy up the batteri
If you in 1 someone charging in 3 both of you are drawing from same power load move to 2 or 4 On the out power supply if no in 2 or 4 the charging speed will get faster until some Else go into 4 your in 2 then again it will slow charging speed
Issue is you have 1 motor, standard range battery. So 2 motors can go into inefficient mode, to generate heat 3.5 kWh each, making it total 7 kWh on dual motor/perf car, so it will heat up itself much faster, to get better battery temp.
And yes, in -20 C and more, you need to wait on DC charger till battery will heat up to +10atleast
Makes sense!
Nice video, thank you!
Anytime! Thanks for watching 😃
Tesla should do this long ago, actually Model 3 has a DC to AC inverter. It is possible for the Supercharge to supply 5-10 kw just for heating up the battery.
Yeah I hope Tesla gets better with this in the future for sure!
Expected....why surprised?
Wow maybe I should stop complaining on the -10 C EV range here in Sweden 🤣
Yepp 😂😂
Apparently you are a rookie when It comes to a Battery power car,here's a tip for you:Never let your Tesla Battery Drop below 30%,Especially in your Country
Noted
You wiil never see anyone driving a golf cart in winter in CANADA
They want To push Electric cars which aren't ready
Isn't Tesla's roadside assistance 24 hours a day ??
Correct but it wasn't an emergency, just my stupidity
thanks, but my head is spinning now
Always here to help if you have questions
Tesla cars are probably great in Florida or Arizona no freezing in thos areas. but in Canada winters will create problems for the Teslas ????
That is cold enough for my frostbite to have frostbite.
agreed!
I'm born and raised in Winnipeg, but now live in California and own 2 EVs. I would never so much as entertain the idea of owning a BEV in Winnipeg.
😁
...and I hear you're in for 20cm of snow tonight (April 10th)...
Norway has a huge number of BEVs and doing quite well. Remember that Teslapeg states their was simply confusion because the Tesla did not display the energy being used to heat the battery at the supercharger. So the Tesla software definitely needs a tweak; that's not an indictment of BEVs in cold weather.
@@dfgriggs remember that I lived in Winnipeg for 25 years and have owned BEVs for 6 years (I currently own 2) and you have likely done neither.
You'd have to be insane to own a BEV in Winnipeg (either that or you just want a golf cart level toy).
Not your fault at all. This should have been explained by the seller or the Tesla should have given you the info once back in car in these situations. An oversight by the Tesla that might cause someone’s life in -40
You should be prepared with good clothing in -40 regardless
Why do you keep getting out of the car?
Because I’m in panic mode
@@teslapeg 👍
how can you own a m3 and not know what you are doing.
watch the whole video and do the exact opposite of what I do. I also show you solutions to the problem at the end of the video
Bruh in Alaska that Tesla wouldn’t survive in -40 to -60
It actually does better than gas cars and Tesla has their own testing facility in Alaska
@@teslapeg I never knew that I still wouldn’t buy a Tesla I’ll stick to my diesel truck for now
@@Crypto907 if you’re a trucker I’d definitely recommend to wait for the cybertruck
That is extremely odd! I remember one minus 30 degree day in New Hampshire...without wind chill. My 8 year old Chevy with 150,000 miles.... fired right up and I drove 300 miles to a gas station to fill up. Then continued on without a hitch to the warmer climes of Florida. Good thing I couldn't afford a tesla at the time.
In cold places, Canadians have block heaters to guarantee starting at < -20C. Subarctic towns have plug-in parking meters. Folks gladly pay to park/warm!
Saw a white tesla yesterday on dakota. Maybe it was you 😀
Wave when you see the number plate BANGALI and I’ll wave back! 👋🏼
Blow on it. Super high tech.
Wouldn’t have that problem if you just had gas
That's quite stupid that they don't have 24/7 support.
They did but I didn’t know how to reach them then. - you do it from the app apparently
Welcome to Manitoba 💪👍
Hahaha wish it was a warm welcome
I sense clickbait.
Your spidey senses were wrong. I delivered
CNN and CNBC want an exclusive with you- prepare for your 15 minutes of fame.
100% clickbait. "My Tesla Won't Charge In -30C Weather In Canada" -- Yes it will. " Tesla Supercharger Not Working" -- Yes it is. An honest title would have been "Tesla Charging Problems in Cold Canada And How To Avoid Them.
This guy is not been honest. He never show exactly how long he wait before switching to another supercharger. I'm sure if he wait enough the charging starts. Who in his normal state of mind lets the battery empty out like this in the winter? Doesn't he have a home? This is a BS click bait video that only proves: owns a TESLA do not guarantee a girlfriend/boyfriend.
If I showed you the entire time that I’ve been waiting, this video would be one hour and no one would watch it as it will be very boring. And no I don’t have a home where I can charge and unfortunate circumstances lead close to 0% Lastly, buying materialistic things to attract a partner in life is not ideal and I won’t recommend it
@@teslapeg Rule #1 in became a successful TH-camr is: Do NOT mislead. I could go on n on about the title, the way u constructed your narrative but, is not worth it . BTW, your underground garage is full of outlets, Sure u can reach one agreement with the administration . AND again your reply is not honest.
In Canada battery powered cars do not work!!! A different solution in Canada is needed !!!!
Good grief. I'll stay with a gas car until they have the 35 things you have to do to your battery worked out. Empty and full that's all it needs to be. Not this range doesn't equal this range today or the next day. preconditioning through my app every time I go out and want to use my car? Pass
The newer model shows significant improvement. After all, these cars got a proper introduction after Tesla started making them. Gas cars have been here way longer than electric so it’s only fit to say they have a few advantages. But those advantages won’t last long as EVs are developing very fast
I gotta agree with u there i dont see how electric cars can overcome these inherent challenges. Range loss and preheating during winter make it impractical as a daily driver in freezing winter. Also if you get stuck its not like you can bring a separate battery along with you to get you going to ur destination. It would be just enough to get to ur next charging station. With ice engines you can just carry around extra fuel in a jerry can even if nearest gas station is far away. It would be interesting to see how much faster fast these batteries deplete over the years of use.
EV's, including Teslas, are Not Safe in very cold Temps travelling distance. Fixable economically with insulation, chemical heat source and slightly bigger battery. Not practical yet. Tesla needs to fix. Why haven't they?
I don't know why the after market doesn't come up with something to help.
I have a new drinking game. You have to take a sip of your drink each time he says Tesla supercharger😂
I rather have a gas vehicle not a battery run.
There should be more indoor or underground super chargers.
People are so brainwashed to use these toys in the cold climate. If you had a diesel car, you would be warm inside the car and a fill up would be 4 minutes. and enjoy life.
A better option is to not be a guinea pig for Tesla and buy a practical car for Winnipeg weather.
EV vehicles are ok in places like California but in Canadian winters this is not ideal. This is just another example of it. Calling Tesla was also not helpful at all. Range anxiety, car handles malfuntioning, quality control issues, battery depletion from just sitting there are all issues that you don't have with gas vehicles. I think eventually EV will be the future but they still have a long way to go.
And how do you explain the extremely high levels of surveyed customer satisfaction with EVS even in cold climates?
@@dfgriggs Everything I stated is accurate. Don't just be a Tesla fan boy and think they are perfect. They are the future for sure but you can't deny there are flaws especially in colder climates.
tesla QC lmao. proven to be the same with $200k+ S Plaid as well
Ironic that the Tesla service van is gas powered.🙄
Electric cars are ' soooo greeeeeeaaaattttt'🤣🤣🤣 I'll stick to my diesel ⛽
Thanks for the video! I will say though you are being much too hard on yourself with this situation. This isn't "your fault", it's a bad design from Tesla. There was no status screen, indicator saying that the battery needed to be preconditioned and just wait etc. You did what any user would do- drove to the charging station and plugged it in before the battery died. That should be all you need to do and it should be obvious if the charger is working. It should simply just work. People pay $80K for a car and you need to have all these tips and tricks for basic usage and Tesla support isn't open on Sundays? That's not a good experience, is it?
I live in Minneapolis and while it doesn't get as cold as it does in Winnipeg, situations like this and the 40% loss in battery range during the cold are why I want to get a PHEV especially when I'm in a rural area hunting and no chargers are in sight. I can cut my gas usage in half or 75% perhaps commuting on electric but if I plan on making a few stops after work to see a movie or meet a friend for dinner before I head home in the winter or go out hunting I won't get stranded and still have a full tank of gas.
Lucky it was sunny !!
Sun doesn't help much trust me
Cause you're blocking the other chargers
Then why wouldn’t the first charger work?
What a hassle. It needs some getting used to.
After one winter, you do get used to it. Just need that little learning curve or watch my video lol
It's Winnipeg's fault .. not tesla ;)
love gas
Really informative. Helpful stuff. Keep up the good work!
Thank youu! More coming soon. Next video coming out this Friday 😃
it's not informative.. since the producer of the video was misinformed to begin with...
maybe to read car manual first?
that's probably a good idea