A Feisty XP Palmtop Upgraded To Windows Eight

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  • Windows 8 is a black sheep in the Microsoft family. It's fitting therefore to install it onto another black sheep, the spicy Viliv S5 Ultra PC PMP (Portable Media Player). A rascal from 2009 that doesn't care how scrappy it really is.
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    Drifting // Engineered Vibes
    • Drifting // Engineered...
    excerpts from the DEFCON soundtrack by Alistair Lindsay and Michael Maidment
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  • @Levent_Ergun
    @Levent_Ergun 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    Pretty sure I bought banished when it was released in 2014, not 2007.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Thanks, I'm not sure how I got that so wrong. I must have been thinking of a different game.

    • @ocsrc
      @ocsrc 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I had 8 on laptops and desktops and it was so slow.
      I used the classic shell and it made it look like classic windows but it was constantly at 100% max CPU use even on a quad core clean install with 16gb memory and SSD
      I don't know what Microsoft was thinking

    • @Levent_Ergun
      @Levent_Ergun 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ocsrc Thanks for letting me know...

    • @miregoji2959
      @miregoji2959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ocsrc considering 8 was designed for Metro UI

  • @RTheren
    @RTheren 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +122

    Not gonna lie, the first thing I thought when seeing that device is "Huh, a car GPS". Didn't knew there were mini Atom computers this small.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      And this has GPS built in. Install some maps and I have a car GPS :)

    • @isaiasprestes9759
      @isaiasprestes9759 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Gosh!!! Me too! I had a cheap-o-matic GPS that looks like this one. :D

    • @isaiasprestes9759
      @isaiasprestes9759 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@JanusCycle oh boy!!!!

    • @aspec1
      @aspec1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      i mean its called atom for a reason haha

    • @leanderlacaj
      @leanderlacaj 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I had a Garmin Nüvi 2460LMT, i used to install different position markers (they are stuff on the screen that tells you your current position), and i had so much fun with it

  • @emdotrod
    @emdotrod 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +79

    Modern handheld gaming PC is basically a modern take on these MID/UMPC
    It's now powerful enough to be a daily PC, but they need to be a little smaller to become actually pocketable like these devices

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Good point. The GPD Win 3 and 4 are smaller than most, but still a little to big.

    • @koromaru6666
      @koromaru6666 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They should make laptops as handhelds, laptops are too ew to carry around specially if you are a gamer

  • @saurabhkulkarni8854
    @saurabhkulkarni8854 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    The main thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 was changing the interface so much that it was unrecognisable by people used to the standard Windows interfaces of the past. They should've at least given people an option like they did in Windows 10 with tablet mode. It's a shame because that single start menu change completely overshadowed all the other interface and performance improvements. I had a fully setup Windows 8 system with a 5400 rpm drive that booted to the desktop, ready to go in around 40 seconds (where a Windows 7 Ultimate install would take a bit more than 2 minutes). It's not just the boot times either, the explorer was improved, copy/paste was improved, it had a vastly better task manager; it was a breath of fresh air back in the day. It's still the snappiest OS after Windows XP.
    Either way, great video.

    • @pyeltd.5457
      @pyeltd.5457 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Windows XP was never snappy. It's the same Windows Explorer as the one in Vista/7 as well.

    • @oggilein1
      @oggilein1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @pyeltd.5457 XP absolutely was snappier on account of it being built for older hardware and not having things gradually tacked onto it for another decade

    • @Xeonocona
      @Xeonocona 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@pyeltd.5457 XP was fast and performant until SP2 came along. XP RTM is a bit rough and unpolished for home users, but SP1? It's a treat to use.

  • @flyezzy-uc8vy
    @flyezzy-uc8vy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    windows 8 was the best optimized system i have ever used. It is much faster than windows 7 you can feel the difference on old machines. It was the first windows to feature real-time protection and smartscreen.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      great perspective

    • @Xeonocona
      @Xeonocona 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Also the first to have a boatload of generic drivers so internet and audio both usually "just worked" out of the box

    • @UltraCenterHQ
      @UltraCenterHQ 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      honestly, It makes sense. because 8 was made for the not really high specs touchscreen laptops

    • @flyezzy-uc8vy
      @flyezzy-uc8vy 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@UltraCenterHQ especially because windows 8 didnt have these fancy aero effects.

    • @UltraCenterHQ
      @UltraCenterHQ 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@flyezzy-uc8vy nah, even Windows 10 was laggier

  • @manavkumar348
    @manavkumar348 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I could have gone my entire life without knowing what windows 8 looked like, but here I am

  • @ShyStudios
    @ShyStudios 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Shout out to that DEFCON music, gave me an immediate pavlovian response. (commented this before seeing the actual game in the video lol)

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This game is just so atmospheric!

  • @STAR-fn1pi
    @STAR-fn1pi 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    next android x86 on netbooks

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      I'd love to get a modern Android x86 on a umpc VAIO. Tricky to get enough hardware support though.

    • @STAR-fn1pi
      @STAR-fn1pi 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JanusCycle wifi issue solved via rtl8811 wifi card

    • @gwenlop9512
      @gwenlop9512 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      There’s an Intel Atom in the Amazon Echo Show 10 (second generation) if you were wondering

    • @leontechtalks
      @leontechtalks 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@JanusCycle Try like a Eeepc android x86 build. They were made up from normal builds

  • @Joniyah444
    @Joniyah444 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The way you made it a story , amazing. I have little interest in this but you made it enjoyable. Thank you.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      awesome, thanks

  • @leodf1
    @leodf1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Such beautiful camerawork and lighting. The reason I subscribed.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      thank you!

  • @kam_mil
    @kam_mil 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    I've always hated intel atom CPUs, because even back in the day, they were super underpowered and disappointing. This palmtop can't do anything useful anymore.

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The bigger problem with that one is the Intel GMA 500 (PowerVR SGX535) which has awful drivers. Most netbooks had Intel GMA 950 or 3150 which were actually made by Intel and had much better drivers. A lot of early 2000s games run fine on the GMA 950 and 3150 netbooks.
      The Atom CPUs were fine for what they were made for and had really low power consumption

    • @kam_mil
      @kam_mil 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Pasi123 This makes sense, it really looked like a driver issue on the video, for example the start menu. If only they chose a different atom...

    • @Levent_Ergun
      @Levent_Ergun 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Even funnier thing is, chipset on earlier Atom netbooks were more power hungry than the cpu itself.

    • @olik136
      @olik136 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I had a Acer Revo PC at the time with an atom.. it was soooo slow.. the only reason it could be used at all was the gpu and media player classic leveraging that a lot.. so I could barely use windows on it.. but watching a ripped bluray in full HD was no problem..

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@olik136 I'm going to guess it had 1GB RAM and Windows 7

  • @Guatdefook
    @Guatdefook 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Really enjoying the ambient music thrown into the video. It feels like an increased production value.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks! I would like to include more music into videos.

  • @faisalinsider
    @faisalinsider 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The narration is like the National Geographic which describes cheetahs running very fast in tropical forests, I love it

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Technological Geographic?

  • @davidl4374
    @davidl4374 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Really nice video. I never known this device existed. I used Windows 8.1 until 2023 .
    And for a while i prefered the start screen over the start menu. Keep up the great work :D

    • @magfal
      @magfal 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I would have used 8.1 with classic shell if it still had security updates.

  • @XanatosDavid
    @XanatosDavid 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    There are 2 reachable usb ports pin pairs inside you can connect some additional hardware like a card reader, units with the cellar modem had always a SSD as the modem filled half of the hdd compartment, there you have a mimi pcie port usb conencted pcie I don't remember. IIRC you can control the bios by using a key combo to switch the joystick mode. the IO port has one USB port, and VGA. I used mine with windows 7, and there is a proper touch screen driver i think i have it some ware worked on win 7 as it should, if you want to try it reach out to me.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Internal hardware modding, I love that idea. A key combo? I should have read the f. manual better. Thanks for all the info!

  • @TapuAfrad
    @TapuAfrad 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Believe it or not, I just loved windows 8, the version without start button. Windows 8 is my most favourite windows operating system. I also have one installed on one of my vms.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good to hear from a Windows 8 fan!

  • @johnny14794
    @johnny14794 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Glad to see you back posting videos!!! Keep them coming. Stay safe and God bless.

  • @DaniiiAy
    @DaniiiAy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I think, the touch screen is used as a mouse pointer, instead of an actual touch screen.

    • @RodiArslan
      @RodiArslan 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      True

  • @byersbw
    @byersbw 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thanks for another awesome video Janus!
    Fyi: the touch screen mouse issue with starcraft is due to a resolution mismatch. I've had that issue while playing starcraft and other dosbox games, anytime the monitor does not support that resolution natively. It's almost as if the game was built to support 800 x 600 only. Super weird.

  • @voltare2amstereo
    @voltare2amstereo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Search to launch apps has been my go to method on windows since vista, when i had to stay using 8, search to launch was a godsend,
    Start-no enter and notepad opens

  • @TyTytheCat2004
    @TyTytheCat2004 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Yay! Another upload! :D (I encourage you to try Windows 7 on that machine, as a portable Windows Media Center device.)
    (Or Vista if you wanna get crazy)

  • @marvinochieng6295
    @marvinochieng6295 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Everytime janus uploads i feel happy

  • @neoqueto
    @neoqueto 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Android running on this thing... Imagine if someone hacked together a ROM for the 3G version with calling capabilities. A smartphone would be born.

  • @rayproductionsbackupchanne3862
    @rayproductionsbackupchanne3862 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    12:46 that error was the bane of my existance when i was playing with win8/8.1 on small screens...

  • @angieandretti
    @angieandretti 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've got one of these in my closet! Haven't used it for a decade and the screen has many bad pixels but it's still there! I once used it as a standby pocket device for checking warehouse product stock on a sales floor.

  • @BillyRazOr2011
    @BillyRazOr2011 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Windows 8.1 did brought back the Start button and made directly to desktop instead of starr screen when turning on PC.

  • @Jrv3192
    @Jrv3192 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Really enjoying your videos keep up the great work 👌

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thanks!

  • @pivotman319
    @pivotman319 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    for future reference, you can slipstream drivers into an off-line Windows 8.x image before deployment by mounting both the setup and OS install images using the DISM utility (via an administrative command prompt).
    assuming X is the drive letter where your source image is mounted and Y is the drive letter of where the image will be mounted:
    mounting images:
    DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Index:1
    DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Index:2
    DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Index:1
    DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Index:2
    installing drivers (assuming they (and their inf files) are extracted to their respective directories) to the offline OS images:
    DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
    DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
    DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
    DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
    unmounting and saving changes:
    DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Commit
    DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Commit
    DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Commit
    DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Commit
    refer to learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/add-and-remove-drivers-to-an-offline-windows-image?view=windows-11 for more information

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      These are the sort of details I really appreciate, thank you!

  • @UnitSe7en
    @UnitSe7en 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was about to call out the DEFCON music. Then I saw the icon. Then you showed it.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it's so atmospheric

    • @UnitSe7en
      @UnitSe7en 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JanusCycle Heck yes it is!

  • @awanluna
    @awanluna 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    that Defcon game is probably my fav back in the days.i got my copy thru some PC Magazine that comes with CD.the soundtrack is haunting especially when the nuclear hit your city and you watch the casualty rises

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haunting is a good description of this game and I love it.

  • @rodak_
    @rodak_ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    First Posy uploads and now you? It's a good day indeed.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Posy's new video was the first one I watched after finishing this upload and relaxing. His work is a huge inspiration and I'm pleased to be seen in a similar vein, thank you.

  • @DaveedMee
    @DaveedMee 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I have an idea for that thingy:
    Go back to XP and try to use a PS1 or a handheld emulator. This thing might not work well with Windows 8 (and considering Windows 8 is lacking support for basically anything) but it would make an awesome retro machine. I wanna playolder games or smth like Sims 1 on my phone so badly but a handheld pc is always better than a smartphone when it comes to the feels

    • @ilyassamraoui3234
      @ilyassamraoui3234 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Have you considered using an x86 emulator
      if on android you can use something like winlator, mobox, termux with chroot and a linux distro on top
      if ios i think there's a good app to help virtualize a x86 machine

    • @андрей_свиридов
      @андрей_свиридов 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Windows 8 is literally Windows 7 with some winrtapi features. I don't see how it's lacking support for anything. Windows XP is lacking support even more at this point.

    • @pyeltd.5457
      @pyeltd.5457 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@андрей_свиридов
      He is thinking of Windows RT which is Windows Mobile which never had app support and never supported full desktop application such as VLC and Audacity. You had to install a special Windows App Store version which is now non existent. Windows RT is iOS but with no support so it failed with the 2011 Windows Phone and 2012 Surface

    • @андрей_свиридов
      @андрей_свиридов 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pyeltd.5457 yeah, it also used ARM(v6/v7) architecture which was pretty unpopular at the time, and wasn't seen as future of the desktop PC's since they were only popular in hanndheld devices.

  • @isaiasprestes9759
    @isaiasprestes9759 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I just acquired 4 Sony Vaio Duo 13 and one 11. These computer were designed to work with Windows 8.1, being a hybrid of laptop and tablet. I just love them! Currently I am trying all sort of Linux distros and Windows(es). Windows 8 and 8.1 I jumped, never had contact before and now I realize... it's weid. Dear Janus, I am looking for a Ubuntu for tablets to test. That would be nice to see in your oddware machine. Great video!

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The VAIO Duos sound like fun, good luck.

  • @isaiasprestes9759
    @isaiasprestes9759 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Debian Window Maker Live: a time-mind trip without a seal ;)

  • @HypeXesk
    @HypeXesk 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    windows 8 and mobile were pretty great oses for the stuff they worked on, touch screens, and convertable laptops, windows 7 for standard laptops and desktops

  • @kapajalbi8451
    @kapajalbi8451 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you

  • @michaelwalker8250
    @michaelwalker8250 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you.

  • @UmmerFarooq-wx4yo
    @UmmerFarooq-wx4yo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Windows 8 ui as a phone was the best - it still would be awesome, especially for something as big as a 14 inch s9 tab ultra

  • @Englebert3rd
    @Englebert3rd 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I played the hell out of Defcon back then. Miss those days. I still need to finish Uplink and Darwinia

  • @richardyiu8243
    @richardyiu8243 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    These UMPCs are quite expensive back in the day. I am surprised that the build quality is still not on par with major manufacturers.

  • @LoveBbyJay
    @LoveBbyJay 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    A friend of mine recently gave me an old Asus Transformer T100 tablet with a removable keyboard, it's running windows 8 and I can see exactly what Windows 8 was going for BUT...... Back in 2013 I bought a Asus G46VW 'Gaming' laptop that was running windows 8, no touch screen... it was utter crap, the worst 'non touch' device OS.... I think Microsoft gets so deep into an idea they don't stop to think about their main customer base(see Windows 11 for more information).
    P.S. Great video as always!!

  • @AiOinc1
    @AiOinc1 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Viliv S5 is an underrated UMPC

  • @BamsyTheSergal
    @BamsyTheSergal 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    really think this would be interesting to see some lightweight mobile style linux distro

  • @Ben79k
    @Ben79k 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wonderful as always. Devices in that form factor with period appropriate atom chips like the z2760 would have been so much fun. They really dropped the ball with such boring devices in the windows 8 hayday.

  • @user-zf8ki1cx2w
    @user-zf8ki1cx2w 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Installing a current version of Linux on the device would improve performance as it is less resource hungry than Windows, at the same time making it more secure and modern.

  • @Dadniel1st
    @Dadniel1st 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're awesome, thanks!

  • @mattsephton
    @mattsephton 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Such a good looking device!!!

  • @cassiuscartland
    @cassiuscartland 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I wonder what the latest version of windows it could boot into is.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think this would boot Windows 10 32 bit just fine, but the drivers would be a problem.

  • @Dr-Zed
    @Dr-Zed 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tasty Windows XP product key up for grabs, not that anyone would actually need that :D

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would love to know that someone used this key :)

  • @XanatosDavid
    @XanatosDavid 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    WOW i have one of those use it for a Wearable setup with an HMD

  • @dpvng.dpvng.
    @dpvng.dpvng. 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    you can install open shell to make 8 look like you want. it was what i done first 5 min after purchase win8 laptop (it was classic shell back then), while whole world whining about they can't use 8.

  • @festtone_
    @festtone_ วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    its like a car multimidia system

  • @emilstaack8
    @emilstaack8 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    pls make more vids on the vaio ux, you make great videos!

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You're right, the UX deserves more.

  • @lucasrem
    @lucasrem 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Netbook with touchscreen, same users bought that Qualcomm Windows tablet.

  • @VladoT
    @VladoT 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I remember installing Android as a dual boot on my iPhone 2G back in the day. People just didnt believed that is actually real.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This is something I'm going to try.

  • @skabentertainment1763
    @skabentertainment1763 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice work

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you

  • @project-horizon-exe
    @project-horizon-exe 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The first time I used window 8.1 was on a Nokia lumia 630 it ran like butter on that phone to me it's one of the most underrated window versions because it felt futuristic it had it's bad sides but I feel like if they given it more time and optimize it then it would have been one of greatest window operating systems

  • @LachambredeNico
    @LachambredeNico 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've got a viliv S5 as well, you can use the directional control as a mouse control, just press 3 seconds on "menu" and it will switch. Mine is the 3G modem, it has both GPS and 3G capabilities. Perfect little umpc

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      very interesting

  • @KOSMOS1701A
    @KOSMOS1701A 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    yeah, Windows 8 was so badly received by the public that they made Windows 8.1 which brought the start button back, either way i hated using both of them, 8 just got rid of the menu as a whole and 8.1 just kind of shoehorned it back in as an afterthought.

  • @Amstelchen
    @Amstelchen 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    But can it run DOOM?

  • @Aeduo
    @Aeduo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Windows 8 was definitely the first major step away from the maximal interfaces from the 90s and 2000s. Some of the color and nature imagery still persisted but everything was definitely flattened and minimized. I kinda hate how the market demands rhese strict trends to cycle rarher than allowing freedon to express how they want at any time.

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hah you keep trying computationally complex strategy games.

  • @andrewwhitfield5480
    @andrewwhitfield5480 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Remix OS is an Android OS that has a desktop mode and a dedicated tablet mode for touchscreen devices. It uses Android 6 but still has support for most apps/ Playstore. It comes in 32bit and 64bit versions. If you decide to try it and need any file or apk I will be happy to share what I have. I still use Remix OS on x86 hardware for game emulation, ftp server, media, and more. Remix OS can be installed to a usb 3.0 drive with persistence via Rufus. Don't use the Rufus settings for persistence, just burn the iso as you would normally.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, I wonder how well it does with older hardware.

    • @andrewwhitfield5480
      @andrewwhitfield5480 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JanusCycle I have always got favorable results with Remix OS on old and new hardware alike. This OS was created by a few former employees of Google. You should at least try it on a 3.0 usb drive. If you need anything such as but not limited to, the Playstore activator apk, or help in general I will be happy to do what I can. You don't need the Google service activator apk, it's just easier if wanted.

  • @see-sharp
    @see-sharp 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would love to see this running Linux.

  • @chriskalkman3815
    @chriskalkman3815 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I used both 8 and 8.1 for a total of two and a half years before 10 came out. Really, I had no issues with 8 or 8.1 in my daily usage, same thing with Vista. I’m not really having issues with 11 either. Of course, I used 7 for a number of years. Good ol’ XP has been in use by me since 2002. I don’t use it as much anymore, but it does come in handy.

  • @gregh9762
    @gregh9762 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Personally I don't mind the missing start button. Partly because at the time I was already using wp8 and windows 8 made the experience on my desktop seamless, also I always hit that win key on the keyboard to pull up start anyway.
    When 8.1 came out, it was a great improvement on tablet and phone, and I don't mind it in desktop environment either. Maybe because I'm heavy on keyboard and shortcut to begin with. For laptop however I was using the last osx, simply because nobody can beat that company' trackpad even though during this time MS came out with precision touchpad.
    My only gripe was on the server side, skipped srv2012 and held to srv2008r2 until srv2016 came out.

  • @Sithhy
    @Sithhy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Windows 8/8.1 was pretty good IMO, I quite liked the tile-based Start menu

    • @kam_mil
      @kam_mil 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Honesly, I liked it back in the day, and didn't understand why people hated it, but now, being a bit older, win 8 is just weird.

    • @seritools
      @seritools 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Its kernel/under-the-hood changes also make it much faster than 7 on the same hardware. Shame they f'd up the rest of the system along the way

    • @_CrescentMoon
      @_CrescentMoon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Windows 8.1 is great even rival Windows 7 in term of speed and looks but Windows 8 is pure trash​@@kam_mil

  • @LightTheUnicorn
    @LightTheUnicorn 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You always end up finding the coolest devices to take a look at. This was a fun one. The GMA 500 graphics is weird and quite awful to support unfortunately. Perhaps XP Tablet PC edition or a cut down 7 would be the best choice for an OS, even if they are rather uninteresting!

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      XP Tablet would be a good finishing point after stressing this with other OSs :)

  • @Jackpkmn
    @Jackpkmn 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My first exposure to Windows 8 was on a tablet designed for it, the HP Stream 7. And honestly, on a tablet designed for Windows 8 it wasn't too bad. Unfortunately they really half reared the design of the hardware so it has a 32bit uefi so it can't run 64bit windows even though it has a 64bit processor so it's forever stuck in the past. I yearn for a similar device, around 7 inches, runs desktop windows, has at least 8gb of ram. I would immediately make it my primary portable computer. Unfortunately everyone seems to be goo goo ga ga for 12+ inch tablets which are too big to fit in a pocket. I can't even find an android tablet with flagship specs at the small screen size I want. Apparently if you want a small screen in a compact device that also means you want budget specs.

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I loved the small size of the Stream 7. It was nice to be able to carry a full Windows PC in a pocket and it used MicroUSB for charging so it was possible to charge it with a regular power bank.
      But annoyingly it only had one MicroUSB port and a 3.5mm headphone jack. It would have been nice to be able to charge it while having a USB device plugged in. HDMI would have been nice to have too

  • @rob_em
    @rob_em 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awesome video Janus!!
    You should try installing Adele Linux cuz the devs made it lightweight to the point you might be able to use on older CPUs than Viliv S5 PMP has. Worked on my Pentium 4 PC!

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks, I'll check this out. I also see Action Retro did a video on this recently.

  • @johnnydarko1983
    @johnnydarko1983 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I loved windows 8.1 touch interface, failed because of lack of apps

  • @adamreid5901
    @adamreid5901 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You may wish to take a look at the Surface RT, it's pretty neat for what it is

  • @cromulence
    @cromulence 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If you can look past the lack of a Start Menu, Windows 8.x was a surprisingly solid OS. At its foundation it built on Windows 7, and I found on earlier machines it ran better than Windows 7. The lack of a Start Menu is also solved with Classic Shell or Start8. I used this setup on a 2006 DELL XPS M1730 for a while and it worked really well.
    As for the Viliv, unfortunately that graphics chip is a complete non-starter and is really the black sheep in the Intel GMA family. Claimed to be an Intel GMA chip, it's in fact a rebranded PowerVR SGX 535 which wasn't a bad mobile GPU to be fair - but it has awful, awful drivers. Which is a shame because if it had better driver support, I'm sure it'd be a solid GPU.

  • @bitdigital8052
    @bitdigital8052 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I had one of these viliv when it first came out. I played with it for a bit but was too slow for media stuff I wanted to use. The iPad was released the following year, I sold the viliv and haven’t looked back since.

  • @mcstando
    @mcstando 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think that Linux should be able to handle the touchscreen

  • @SupermotoZach
    @SupermotoZach 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really liked Windows 8 controversial lol. It shines with a touch device like a tablet, but indeed for most desktop PCs without touch screens etc, it's not a great idea to replace the desktop with the tiles as the main focus. With a modern windows tablet, you cant get the old tiled display which is disappointing.

  • @kchalu
    @kchalu 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am an original owner of a Viliv S5. They definitely work better with XP. 8 is too much for the limited CPU on it. Games from 2001 to 2004 are better. But Flight Simulator 2002 won't run on it. After many years of trying to find a good use for it I think it's best for like a journal or something.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good to hear from an original S5 owner. They do seem optimum for XP.

  • @ProMazterGamer
    @ProMazterGamer 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank God atom processors were ditched in favour of better, more performing processors

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Intel never ditched Atom, they just dropped the Atom branding from consumer CPUs. Most laptop Celeron's and Pentium Silver are Atom based and so are the E cores in modern Intel desktop CPUs

  • @real2w10
    @real2w10 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very interesting video

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thanks

  • @foxyridergaming9198
    @foxyridergaming9198 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    sory late 5 hours ...already save to watch later...waiting you for next video...love your content video

  • @rsorry
    @rsorry 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I wonder if Bodhi Linux would work on that touchscreen?

  • @CountParadox
    @CountParadox 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dosbox is running at a lower resolution but the touch screen is working for the native resolution, so it's confusing dosbox with its scaling of the touch commands

  • @iraqigeek8363
    @iraqigeek8363 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    If you bought this via buyee, we might have bid on the same unit :)
    Viliv was really cool back then. Along with UMID, they made some of the coolest 1st gen Atom UMPCs. I highly recommend the N5. At the time, it was one of the best mini laptops money can buy. While the S5 is rare, the N5 is a lot harder to find nowadays.
    If buying from Japan, UMID devices there were rebranded as Kohjinsha (工人舎) PM series and Onkyo (オンキョウ) BX series. The former is the UMID M1, and the latter is the BZ.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I didn't get this from Japan. It was a local purchase for a good price. Thanks for the info. I saw a Kohjinsha device on eBay and wondered what it is.

    • @crsv7armhl
      @crsv7armhl 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Highly disagree! I am the original owner of an N5 still in my closet. The keyboard on it was terrible, the distance between keys is near zero so inadvertent strikes are common. It also had lots of missed keystrikes and double strikes. The Open Pandora 1ghz model ended up being my daily driver UMPC until fairly recently.
      New daily is pretty much a Panasonic LetsNote CF-RZ4, or one of a ton of Samsung Chromebook 3's with linux installed. Not exactly UMPC's but small compared to the norm today, no issues with linux, and good battery life.
      I should be finally getting my ClockworkPi Uconsole in the next few days which I am really excited for because it should last forever (18650 batteries, and a Pi Compute Module 4...so the commonly failing/upgrade things can be replaced).

    • @iraqigeek8363
      @iraqigeek8363 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kohjinsha rebranded a lot of Korean UMPCs in the late 2000s and early 2010s. They had several mini laptops powered by AMD Geode, and a few Atom UMPCs (PM and PA series')

    • @iraqigeek8363
      @iraqigeek8363 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @crsv7armhl I think this is a case of YMMV. I have fairly thin fingers and can thumb type my way on both the UMID and Viliv N5. I wouldn't write a document on any of themselves, but for casual browsing and short messaging, they were perfect.
      I currently have both a GPD Pocket 2 and P2 Max. I can thumb type on the Pocket 2, and pick type on the P2 max comfortably. Again, I don't use either for any serious work, but for email, casual browsing, and the like, I really enjoy them

  • @Sb129
    @Sb129 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have actually used Windows 8.1. I bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro in 2013. It had Win8.1 and since it was purely a tablet, I thought it worked great on it, excellent even. I liked it better than Win10 when in tablet mode.
    This lil thing looks neato, I also always loved UMPCs, ever since seeing the Vaio UX50 on display in a Best Buy.
    For me, it enough just owning something so small and cool and even if it is a bit useless, even the thought of the potential of something if it were perfect is also good enough.
    I have another Windows 8.1 tablet, from Insignia, it is extremely useless but it has a MicroSD card slot accessible from the side along with the Micro USB port and also a Micro HDMI port. If it were faster, with that Micro HDMI port I could have a special HDMI cable and a very large SD card and play almost any media I wanted, whereever I wanted on any HDMI screen. But alas, it is far too slow to even do that. But I still keep it know that such is a possibility.
    I'd personally leave this on XP and use it for like music and a weather display or something small like that.

  • @LKComputes
    @LKComputes 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    2:59 NO WAR

  • @fotozero
    @fotozero 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    makes me want another umpc. one that isnt either too old or too expensive.... hmmm

  • @sloppynyuszi
    @sloppynyuszi 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I had Windows 8 on a Surface Pro 3. I liked it. Though I’m mostly a Mac user. I thought this kinda had the middle ground of my iPad I liked and a desktop OS. I reckon if they pushed for this to work, and didn’t make my Lumia 800 redundant within a year (I really liked that phone until windows mobile 8 didn’t come out for it), I would be a windows fanboy.

  • @magfal
    @magfal 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    2:11 there is a very similar Asus UMPC called the R2H.
    I had one back in the day and regretted not just getting a 7 inch eee instead.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Another interesting machine with no keyboard, great mention.

  • @EmielRoumen
    @EmielRoumen 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bedankt

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @antzpantz
    @antzpantz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    DEFCON!

  • @FrostbiteXZ
    @FrostbiteXZ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kinda curious if Tiny10 or Tiny11 will work on this palmtop or if something like Zorin OS will work I would also give a shot of something like Android 9 X86 32bit a try too since it's running an old Atom CPU and has a low amount of RAM

  • @theangrygrunt1481
    @theangrygrunt1481 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the web browser reminds me of the one that came on the wii u

  • @crsv7armhl
    @crsv7armhl 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Viliv! I have a Viliv N5 in my closet somewhere. Absolutely terrible keyboard... ended up with it because the mbook bz was way backordered in those days.

  • @m-xz7yc
    @m-xz7yc 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Janus Cycle try to put Linux Mint on that Palmtop

  • @caberful
    @caberful 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    4:32 sent me 💀

  • @7martinsk7_72
    @7martinsk7_72 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You should try to let the Windows 8 install all the drivers automatically. Also by letting it install all the Windows updates, you should eventually get the normal Start button.

    • @JanusCycle
      @JanusCycle  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Would Microsoft be hosting these weird drivers though? I wanted the no start button for that 2012 experience.

  • @graywolf2694
    @graywolf2694 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    wish they still made PCs like these, i love the oqo but the specs are so bad its un-usable today.

  • @axelprino
    @axelprino 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I suspect that if you want to play games on that thing your best choice might be reverting it back to Windows XP. I have an old Atom netbook that's a few years newer than that one, but not much, and I remember reading back in the day that despite the fact than that generation of Atom devices always came with W7 many installed XP as a secondary OS just for gaming since the GMA drivers had better performance on XP. I've still managed to run some mid to late 2010's indie games on it but only 2D stuff, for 3D the limit was mid 2000's era games or the rare later game that was optimized to run on a toaster like the original release of "Aaaaa! for the Awesome" (the new remastered version has almost no optimization, it almost killed my modern laptop simply because it expects a dedicated GPU, runs fine on desktop tho).

  • @banana83885
    @banana83885 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can you install android on it? I've seen others who put android 2.3 on old pcs

  • @devicemodder
    @devicemodder 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the Asus R2H also lacks a built in keyboard.

  • @RetroPC
    @RetroPC 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was so excited to upgrade my netbook to Windows 8 from Windows 7 Starter. I personally think Windows 8.0 is the worst OS Microsoft ever did. Yes, worse than Vista, worse than Me. The first thing I did was download Open Shell and get the start menu back. Navigating this thing made zero sense without a start menu if you were using any type of device other than a tablet.
    I get that they were going after touch screen as being the next big thing, but oh boy were they so very very wrong. Windows 8.1 fixed this.