It’s things like this that remind me why i love this game so much, the story, the mysteries, the soundtrack and so much more. Can’t want to find out who are “Them”.
Torch inventory description - "At first glance this torch appears menacing, but holding it makes you feel quite sad." Ancient cane description - "To tread ancient paths, long forgotten" Kinda depressing tbh.
I love lore of Don't Starve, unfortunately, we are getting less and less of it lately. I hope we will see more THEM in the upcoming updates. Also I'm glad that you separated Them and The Moon, many people believe that they're same entity, even though so much evidence contradicts it.
hey I just posted a comment where I explained my theory about the dst lore. I used fandom and the short films from TH-cam and I got a pretty solid theory imma copy and paste it all here if u intrested I have a good hypothesis that I developed by reading into the dst lore and the animations videos so..... I belive the ancient King was the first on nightmare throne and was put there by the "Them" then when William (later know as maxwell) used his codex umbra the shadows pulled him and Charlie because the queen (the one with the torch) wanted her husband out of there so she used the shadows (the shodows where loyal to her as the shadows are believed to be the ancient people and of course they will listen to their queen. so the queen use the nightmare to get maxwell and Charlie in the constant. because the ancient throne will only let go to it's seater if u give someone to sit on it after maxwell was sacrificed to stay there for eternity and the king was free. and the queen of darkness somehow combined with Charlie and Charlie became the new queen of darkness. After a while maxwell used the vaxola radio to make Wilson later build the portal to get to the constant. Wilson's purpose was to find maxwell free him then he'll take maxwell's place. and so he does as we can see in the adventure mode only that maxwell dies when he's freed and Wilson gets puten on the trone later. After that Charlie finds Wilson and frees him too. and as we can see in that short clip where Wilson gets freed she has an intirior fight with her new inner self, that I belive if the ancient Queen. After a while the Queen and Charlie got to balanced state. at day she was Charlie and at night the darkness queen. meanwhile as u said it the king became the ancient fuel weaver. and this is the reason why maxwell didn't actually died when Wilson freed him. whoever was set free was suppose to become the fuelweaver but because there was alredy one (the king) the 'THEM' let maxwell go back to the constent where he meets Wilson again and they had a fight. After a while they relised that alone they had no chance of survival so they stayed together looking for a way of surviving Charlie/ancient queen and the shodows monsters. from the floral postern New people fall for maxwells trap back then so new people later known as webber Wendy Wolfgang and wigfrid joined. and after that the rest came too alongside Winona Charlie's sister who was looking into finding Charlie and save her however it was far too late for that. also for the people who are wondering why everyone's name starts with 'W' I saw a video where someone had a very good hypothesis which imma use now too. the w in the ancient language looked vary similar to a letter the ancient used to show bravery and represented the right to become a royalty. maxwell found this out and he knew that only people with w can be placed on the throne of nightmares as they have the right to become the next king/Queen and so free our maxwell. thx if u read this whole again this is a hypothesis but I'm 90% sure this all makes sense to the dst lore. i hope this is relevant to the actual dst lore that klei has in mind but u know as our guy matpat says. "That's just a theory. a game theroy"
Its a nice detail how maxwell's giants are trying to stop adventurers while charlie's both want to kill but give great loot like how charlie is good and bad at the same time
We can say that the insanity creatures of the main land were the civilians that sided with the king and became dark. And the sanity creatures on the lunar island were the few who tried to keep it balance and stepped in the queen side.
@@TheAlpacalypseIsUponUs I mostly cheese the bosses. I'm not much of a fighter kind of gamer. Mostly I play alone so I have to figure out how to get them killed rather than killing myself.
I always thought 'Them' implies both the dark and the light coming back and the survivors would be stuck in the middle. But this vid makes alot more sense!
i watched another theory video that went into depth on metheus, and it basically said that metheus is the old queen of the ancients (apparently she’s confirmed female by klei), and her downfall transformed her into the demon that actually took over charlie. pretty cool to think about
I found something very odd about Charlie, that may support this theory. She has very little "spoken" text, only her hallowed nights song and deleted game file quotes, which i found on the wiki. The problem with this is that Charlie and Winona are sisters, thus they should have the same accent. Winona often says ya, ain't, dontcha and rarely pronounces g at the end of gerunds. Charlie doesn't do any of this. However, the ancient fuelweaver does talk in regular english, so Metheus should talk in the same way. Just like Charlie. It's also possible that Winona just got her accent later in life, since Charlie doesn't even write that way, unless she just writes in regular english.
One main reason that Klei is keeping up with the ocean content is in the description in one of their videos, but I'll try and shorten it for ya: The power of the moon is mutating creatures around the constant, mainly in the ocean because of the Lunar island. New dangers are popping up everywhere like the See-weed, That one shark creature, the malbatross, and maybe the Gnarwail. Another thing to note is that the mutation seems to be more potent the closer creatures are to the Lunar island: Shatteted wobsters, Shattered spiders, Shattered Pengulls, and horror hounds. Not to mention the effect the moon has on plants: Saladmanders, wormwood, and carrats that being.
I hope Maxwell will play a bigger role in future story and conclusion as he have a lot knowledge of ancient civilization and especially nightmares. He was main antagonist of single player DS who ruled over world of Don't Starve for many years Perhaps a noble sacrifice to save survivors and Charlie and remain in Don't starve. A tragic redeemed villain who become a hero
i think somethings thats also interesting are the gestalts! most importantly is the quote when winona inspects them- "i feel like theyve seen my sister." theres a lot of implications there that are fascinating to me tbh!!
So, I have noticed a frequent eye imagery. The eye at the ancient gateway is shaped like this . Similary as the eyes on moonmoth and Charlies eyes. Maxwell also has this type of eye drawn at his forehead in his Gladiator skin. The eye itself is also interesting. Eye often represents knowledge and knowing, while purple is colour connected to evil, wealth, magic and corruption. Just some food for though.
it does really seem to be shaping up to be an alternative lategame although I think as it stands now the ocean content is sort of complementing the ruins since u can get walking canes (for lazy explorers) and thulecite in sunken treasure. I really hope they don't keep the theme of complementing the lategame content we already have but instead they should be making new alternatives for people with a more passive playstyle perhaps.
I wonder what Charlie’s intentions are. Use the lunar power to set herself and the survivors free, to resist the shadows with it? Or to destroy the lunar entity?
it would be cool if you would get achievments for doing stuff, like if you completely explorerd the ruins and the all the bosses including fuelweaver you get acces to a new map, for which you have to create another server. in this new world it might bring you back to the time of the ancient civilization now know as the ruins. pretty farfetched but seems cool!
This is all fascinating! The one thing that I think might be different from what you said is the Nightmare Throne. Klei apparently said "between zero and zero" people sat on the throne before Maxwell. So the ancient king couldn't have sat on it. Unless first Maxwell sat on it and the world came into being, the whole Metheus thing happened while Maxwell was on the throne, the ancient king freed him from it and took his place, and then Maxwell somehow got back on it in time for Wilson or whoever you're playing as to find him on it. I think it's more likely that the Nightmare Throne isn't the throne depicted in the mural. But Klei has changed their minds about things before, so maybe they'll take that back with a future reveal.
Yeah it seems a bit unlikely that it is the same throne and probably just an ordinary one but if what you say about Maxwell is true, that raises more questions than it answers. He may know more about the ancients and about Them than it seems. I imagine his rework is one of the next in line so maybe we'll learn more soon.
You didn’t mention that the queen’s name was likely Metheus, hence the king and queen`s skins you get after completing the puzzle, and that Charlie is likely to be possessed by her, that’s why she is so knowledgeable and powerful in The Constant. Klei confirmed some time ago that Metheus was female. Also, when battling the fuel weaver, he mentions the name Metheus, possibly referring to his queen.
Yeah I've seen a few people saying that the king is metheus which doesn't make much sense. It definitely fits to have the queen as metheus and the king and the fuelweaver. I'm not sure about Charlie being possessed by metheus though, as the power in Charlie seems to be somewhat sinister, which metheus is not. I think it's more likely she has access to the same power that the king foolishly used.
Ancient Fuelweaver really sounds like the king. The way he talks about his society, and when he tries the mind control he says "Lend me your power, one last time" meaning his power of the fuel before other than that, when the fuelweaver is defeated its attacked by thorny vines which may depict that its was charlie who did it plus the rose, also he also says "You are not them" when he dies
Yeah, I've seen some people claiming that the fuelweaver is metheus but it's very hard to see him as anything but the king of the ancients, especially from looking at the quotes during the fight. The hands that capture him at the end kinda look like the hands that put you on the nightmare throne after adventure mode too. Not sure if that's a coincidence or not.
w8 I read somewhere that metheus is actually the queen not the king, it was confirmed (Idk this is second hand info) and that the queen's spirit is actually the one who manifested in charlie and now fused with her in a way, reviving the odd skeleton near the ancient gateway might be summoning the king since he's directly tied to the gateway due to the nightmare fuel influence and activating it sets the ruins at peak nightmare phase, his last duty in his essence would be to stop the gateway from opening again, this is all speculation I need to dig more
Yeah I didn't outright mention it in the video but my assumption is that the fuelweaver is the king and metheus was the queen. It fits with pretty much all of the info we have so far. The king is fulfilling his last duty of guarding the gateway because he repents and regrets what has happened to his queen and his people, often mentioning both.
its just like a giant chess game in my opinion. The moon is the white side of chess and the shadows is the black side. The monsters, creatures, and by extension, our survivors are all pawns in the chess game. But as time goes on, the pawns can become queens. This might symbolize that our survivors might become stronger and play a bigger part
I can't really think of anything else that could be them, the light in the methius puzzle is something that was gone, and now it's returning. You bring up a really cool detail with the glass cutter being good against shadow creatures I've never thought about it like that but to me at least, this makes it seems like the lunar stuff out in the ocean is "them" if not connected to "them" in some way. The lunar island is brightly colored and the ruins and shadow creatures are dark. I disagree with your assessment of light verses dark being good verses evil though, or us verses them. Are we like, on the side of darkness for some reason? Charlie is not on our side as has been shown. And the light, or the lunar stuff, isn't like, good. It doesn't help us against the darkness. It revives hounds that we kill there, it upgrades the spiders that live there, if you have to much lunacy the things that live there put you to sleep. That's another contrast between light and dark, sanity on the lunar island is bad, while lack of sanity off the island is bad. So while the returning light may be kind of against the darkness, whoever "they" are might be against Charlie, the light is certainly not on our side.
Yeah there's a bit of a grey area with the whole Them = moon argument. I think it's more of a moon vs Them battle. And while the powers of the moon aren't all in our favour, we're definitely not on the side of Them. "The enemy of our enemy is our friend" kind of thing. Maybe we will play the role of a mediator and need to maintain the balance in the way that the ancients did before?
In my opinion, the changes that the moon applies to hounds, sanity, spiders etc. Are because of it's mutative nature and it's possible that gestralts want to tell something to survivors but they don't know how to do it. It doesn't mean that moon wants to hurt or get survivors into trouble.
The ancient gateway links to other realms I believe, like the gorge and the forge, possibly hamlet and shipwrecked, but also to THEM and their realm. I also believe the moon is connected to and can see all of these realms and influence them.
Wagstaff mentios when examining skyworthy and seaworthy that they function with the power of the fuel.but hamlet and shipwrecht are a part of the costan ,i belive that the portals are some sort of shortcuts bethween parts of the costant that use the fuel. the moon looks like it's a part of the costant or at least of the same universe and THEM might be trapped in this dimension,the balance between fuel and light keeping THEM at bay.
I have a good hypothesis that I developed by reading into the dst lore and the animations videos so..... I belive the ancient King was the first on nightmare throne and was put there by the "Them" then when William (later know as maxwell) used his codex umbra the shadows pulled him and Charlie because the queen (the one with the torch) wanted her husband out of there so she used the shadows (the shodows where loyal to her as the shadows are believed to be the ancient people and of course they will listen to their queen. so the queen use the nightmare to get maxwell and Charlie in the constant. because the ancient throne will only let go to it's seater if u give someone to sit on it after maxwell was sacrificed to stay there for eternity and the king was free. and the queen of darkness somehow combined with Charlie and Charlie became the new queen of darkness. After a while maxwell used the vaxola radio to make Wilson later build the portal to get to the constant. Wilson's purpose was to find maxwell free him then he'll take maxwell's place. and so he does as we can see in the adventure mode only that maxwell dies when he's freed and Wilson gets puten on the trone later. After that Charlie finds Wilson and frees him too. and as we can see in that short clip where Wilson gets freed she has an intirior fight with her new inner self, that I belive if the ancient Queen. After a while the Queen and Charlie got to balanced state. at day she was Charlie and at night the darkness queen. meanwhile as u said it the king became the ancient fuel weaver. and this is the reason why maxwell didn't actually died when Wilson freed him. whoever was set free was suppose to become the fuelweaver but because there was alredy one (the king) the 'THEM' let maxwell go back to the constent where he meets Wilson again and they had a fight. After a while they relised that alone they had no chance of survival so they stayed together looking for a way of surviving Charlie/ancient queen and the shodows monsters. from the floral postern New people fall for maxwells trap back then so new people later known as webber Wendy Wolfgang and wigfrid joined. and after that the rest came too alongside Winona Charlie's sister who was looking into finding Charlie and save her however it was far too late for that. also for the people who are wondering why everyone's name starts with 'W' I saw a video where someone had a very good hypothesis which imma use now too. the w in the ancient language looked vary similar to a letter the ancient used to show bravery and represented the right to become a royalty. maxwell found this out and he knew that only people with w can be placed on the throne of nightmares as they have the right to become the next king/Queen and so free our maxwell. thx if u read this whole again this is a hypothesis but I'm 90% sure this all makes sense to the dst lore. i hope this is relevant to the actual dst lore that klei has in mind but u know as our guy matpat says. "That's just a theory. a game theroy" EDIT: also i belive that maxwell alongside of Charlie made all the monsters and animals from the constat as maxwell always refers to them as his creations like. "that was a failed experient" or "im proud of this one" I belive the nightmare throne grants its sitter big powers. which maxwell used to talk to Wilson into making the portal and to make all the entities because even though at first wanted to be free by Wilson he later realised that if Wilson frees him Wilson will be put on throne so he made the whole "constent trying to kill u thing" so Wilson never gets to actually free him. however despite his trials wilson still manged to survive and frees him. now after their both freed and throwed back into the constent maxwell has no more powers from the throne so he can't get rid of his creations so now he must survive all this "traps" he created.
Theory: When the queen feel she somehow kinda controlled the moon, since the moon has light powers that go to the lunar island. And the queen is trying to stop the darkness from taking full control Also it may have been the light was too weak and went were the shadow monsters could not, The lunar island
we need more portal shenanigans first. We already escaped(?) the constants to the forge, to the gorge, and now where are we? and how much of these events are canon?
I have been lissening alot and lissening to the all the DST comunity and its confusing. As *zeklo* says that "them" is comming hinting on the moon and then theres the rest of the *comunity* who says "them" is the nightmare creatures.
what i say might not be true but heres what i think in one of the update trailers with that cave update with that mechanical worm looking thing made of stone. there are some light guys that are fighting the dum shadow monsters that always kill me somthing tells me that those are either ghosts of the ancient people that fight the darkness or light of the torch bearer that still defends the its fallen city
The moon piece had turned ur unable-travelled-sea into travel-able. I find that kinda hilarious xD I still not sure what else they will be adding aside from putting back the ancient queen(torch barer you mentioned) back as like an npc? They had so much new food, new character that are interesting and adding more fun to it. They also make boss(but so far they suck). The reason why I say she will became an NPC is because I do feel she fits like Pearl. She will appear from the ocean and probably asking players to assemble her back to her own self. (then plot twist, she became a boss lol) Just thinking cause, I dunno what else to add in the main game. Hearing there will be character refresh, I had worried if it will be a bad choice. So far we see Wendy has been a good update. WX could have a good update that offers something to other players. I am still just a player, waiting them to surprise me. What if... the stagehand is her ALL ALONG?
I actually think that Charlie is against the moon, I forget where this theory came from but essentially the moon is the light to Charlie’s darkness, on full moons there’s no enemies and if you think about it, the moon provides light in the darkness of night. Edit: the video theory this is based off of is The beard777’s return of them/lunar update video a year ago
Its all started when maxwell open the forbidden book of knowledge and puff! Everything get worse our charlie become our greatest enemy and he took maxwell and put him to the dark throne and idk why maxwell managed to communicate to the reality but i think he alrdy know how to control it for a Little bit and choose his victim (wilson,willow and the other characters welp not actually all of them are victim of maxwell) and the reason why he trick and lure his victim is order to find him and switch positions and he successfully made it but the end he die (welp with a plot twist his forbidden book of knowledge save him because tht book was paying a respect for his god damn master!!!!) and wilson is now stuck on the dark throne but guess what!? Our friendly charlie is coming to the rescue!!! (Evil Charlie: Well F*CK ME BEFORE IT HAPPENED!) And charlie dump him to the trash world and wilson woke up and he started from the beginning once again!!! (Players: but for us its a lot of pain) but guess what "DON'T STARVE TOGETHER EDITION WITH A NEW SEASON 2 STORY!!!" was came to our world to play it and alot of things is happened but here's my thoughts this will end once we defeat the last boss of this story and that's is Evil Charlie
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It’s things like this that remind me why i love this game so much, the story, the mysteries, the soundtrack and so much more. Can’t want to find out who are “Them”.
I wish there were more lore videos out there. So few people really delve into the mysteries of DS
I'm still waiting.
I realised the scepters that the “king” and “queen” are holding really look the tragic torch and the ancient cane that we can get from the puzzles 👀
Torch inventory description - "At first glance this torch appears menacing, but holding it makes you feel quite sad."
Ancient cane description - "To tread ancient paths, long forgotten"
Kinda depressing tbh.
During the fuelweaver fight, there are moments where it says 'they are coming, it cannot be stopped'.
I love lore of Don't Starve, unfortunately, we are getting less and less of it lately. I hope we will see more THEM in the upcoming updates. Also I'm glad that you separated Them and The Moon, many people believe that they're same entity, even though so much evidence contradicts it.
hey I just posted a comment where I explained my theory about the dst lore. I used fandom and the short films from TH-cam and I got a pretty solid theory imma copy and paste it all here if u intrested
I have a good hypothesis that I developed by reading into the dst lore and the animations videos so..... I belive the ancient King was the first on nightmare throne and was put there by the "Them" then when William (later know as maxwell) used his codex umbra the shadows pulled him and Charlie because the queen (the one with the torch) wanted her husband out of there so she used the shadows (the shodows where loyal to her as the shadows are believed to be the ancient people and of course they will listen to their queen. so the queen use the nightmare to get maxwell and Charlie in the constant. because the ancient throne will only let go to it's seater if u give someone to sit on it after maxwell was sacrificed to stay there for eternity and the king was free. and the queen of darkness somehow combined with Charlie and Charlie became the new queen of darkness. After a while maxwell used the vaxola radio to make Wilson later build the portal to get to the constant. Wilson's purpose was to find maxwell free him then he'll take maxwell's place. and so he does as we can see in the adventure mode only that maxwell dies when he's freed and Wilson gets puten on the trone later. After that Charlie finds Wilson and frees him too. and as we can see in that short clip where Wilson gets freed she has an intirior fight with her new inner self, that I belive if the ancient Queen. After a while the Queen and Charlie got to balanced state. at day she was Charlie and at night the darkness queen. meanwhile as u said it the king became the ancient fuel weaver. and this is the reason why maxwell didn't actually died when Wilson freed him. whoever was set free was suppose to become the fuelweaver but because there was alredy one (the king) the 'THEM' let maxwell go back to the constent where he meets Wilson again and they had a fight. After a while they relised that alone they had no chance of survival so they stayed together looking for a way of surviving Charlie/ancient queen and the shodows monsters. from the floral postern New people fall for maxwells trap back then so new people later known as webber Wendy Wolfgang and wigfrid joined. and after that the rest came too alongside Winona Charlie's sister who was looking into finding Charlie and save her however it was far too late for that. also for the people who are wondering why everyone's name starts with 'W' I saw a video where someone had a very good hypothesis which imma use now too. the w in the ancient language looked vary similar to a letter the ancient used to show bravery and represented the right to become a royalty. maxwell found this out and he knew that only people with w can be placed on the throne of nightmares as they have the right to become the next king/Queen and so free our maxwell. thx if u read this whole again this is a hypothesis but I'm 90% sure this all makes sense to the dst lore. i hope this is relevant to the actual dst lore that klei has in mind but u know as our guy matpat says. "That's just a theory. a game theroy"
keep in mind corona kind of messed things up, i cant wait for all the character releases with their storys!
@@Tairumz Zelklo or Zeklo?
@@voidedpandaz5733 sorry what do mean?
@@Tairumz The letter W things Zeklo did a video on it
Its a nice detail how maxwell's giants are trying to stop adventurers while charlie's both want to kill but give great loot like how charlie is good and bad at the same time
Also Charlie's giants most of the time don't even attack first. They just chilling till you disturb them
@@Creocist good point!
We can say that the insanity creatures of the main land were the civilians that sided with the king and became dark. And the sanity creatures on the lunar island were the few who tried to keep it balance and stepped in the queen side.
Jalil Sadeq makes sense
The moon is too far away from the ruins
@@nicco-sixty they took a vacation on the moon
wow you are much more deep into the lore than I am. I'm just having fun base building and fighting bosses once in a while. Great video.
I've only ever beaten goose and clops and it was only because I was on a good server
@@TheAlpacalypseIsUponUs I mostly cheese the bosses. I'm not much of a fighter kind of gamer. Mostly I play alone so I have to figure out how to get them killed rather than killing myself.
I can help with that I main wolfgang and love killing stuff.
@@boomer8066 Wolfgang MVP! Voatgoatjelly*chilly powder = wolfgang is a beast
Nadine ᴎаllаↃ imagine cheesing I could never
I always thought 'Them' implies both the dark and the light coming back and the survivors would be stuck in the middle. But this vid makes alot more sense!
i watched another theory video that went into depth on metheus, and it basically said that metheus is the old queen of the ancients (apparently she’s confirmed female by klei), and her downfall transformed her into the demon that actually took over charlie. pretty cool to think about
I found something very odd about Charlie, that may support this theory.
She has very little "spoken" text, only her hallowed nights song and deleted game file quotes, which i found on the wiki.
The problem with this is that Charlie and Winona are sisters, thus they should have the same accent. Winona often says ya, ain't, dontcha and rarely pronounces g at the end of gerunds. Charlie doesn't do any of this.
However, the ancient fuelweaver does talk in regular english, so Metheus should talk in the same way. Just like Charlie.
It's also possible that Winona just got her accent later in life, since Charlie doesn't even write that way, unless she just writes in regular english.
One main reason that Klei is keeping up with the ocean content is in the description in one of their videos, but I'll try and shorten it for ya:
The power of the moon is mutating creatures around the constant, mainly in the ocean because of the Lunar island. New dangers are popping up everywhere like the See-weed, That one shark creature, the malbatross, and maybe the Gnarwail. Another thing to note is that the mutation seems to be more potent the closer creatures are to the Lunar island: Shatteted wobsters, Shattered spiders, Shattered Pengulls, and horror hounds. Not to mention the effect the moon has on plants: Saladmanders, wormwood, and carrats that being.
I hope Maxwell will play a bigger role in future story and conclusion as he have a lot knowledge of ancient civilization and especially nightmares. He was main antagonist of single player DS who ruled over world of Don't Starve for many years
Perhaps a noble sacrifice to save survivors and Charlie and remain in Don't starve. A tragic redeemed villain who become a hero
And so, one question remains:
*"Where They at?"*
Every one says who and where but none says how
Sad them noises
@@cheesejam1373 in the ancient gateway
i think somethings thats also interesting are the gestalts! most importantly is the quote when winona inspects them- "i feel like theyve seen my sister." theres a lot of implications there that are fascinating to me tbh!!
With the forgotten knowledge update now in beta watching this again has a whole different meaning and it’s starting to make a lot more sense.
I love when someone uploads lore content! Thank you!
So, I have noticed a frequent eye imagery. The eye at the ancient gateway is shaped like this . Similary as the eyes on moonmoth and Charlies eyes. Maxwell also has this type of eye drawn at his forehead in his Gladiator skin.
The eye itself is also interesting. Eye often represents knowledge and knowing, while purple is colour connected to evil, wealth, magic and corruption. Just some food for though.
theory: the "forgotten knowledge" could be referring to the light?
it does really seem to be shaping up to be an alternative lategame although I think as it stands now the ocean content is sort of complementing the ruins since u can get walking canes (for lazy explorers) and thulecite in sunken treasure. I really hope they don't keep the theme of complementing the lategame content we already have but instead they should be making new alternatives for people with a more passive playstyle perhaps.
I wonder what Charlie’s intentions are. Use the lunar power to set herself and the survivors free, to resist the shadows with it?
Or to destroy the lunar entity?
I just wanna see Them!
This still hits hard. Great video
Someone from Klei said that Maxwell was the first to sit on the throne.
Really good simplified summary. Some of the theories floated on the forum get too far out there and elaborate.
it would be cool if you would get achievments for doing stuff, like if you completely explorerd the ruins and the all the bosses including fuelweaver you get acces to a new map, for which you have to create another server. in this new world it might bring you back to the time of the ancient civilization now know as the ruins. pretty farfetched but seems cool!
thanks for the insight
This is all fascinating! The one thing that I think might be different from what you said is the Nightmare Throne. Klei apparently said "between zero and zero" people sat on the throne before Maxwell. So the ancient king couldn't have sat on it. Unless first Maxwell sat on it and the world came into being, the whole Metheus thing happened while Maxwell was on the throne, the ancient king freed him from it and took his place, and then Maxwell somehow got back on it in time for Wilson or whoever you're playing as to find him on it. I think it's more likely that the Nightmare Throne isn't the throne depicted in the mural. But Klei has changed their minds about things before, so maybe they'll take that back with a future reveal.
Yeah it seems a bit unlikely that it is the same throne and probably just an ordinary one but if what you say about Maxwell is true, that raises more questions than it answers. He may know more about the ancients and about Them than it seems. I imagine his rework is one of the next in line so maybe we'll learn more soon.
Man this game is unfolding, right?
You didn’t mention that the queen’s name was likely Metheus, hence the king and queen`s skins you get after completing the puzzle, and that Charlie is likely to be possessed by her, that’s why she is so knowledgeable and powerful in The Constant. Klei confirmed some time ago that Metheus was female. Also, when battling the fuel weaver, he mentions the name Metheus, possibly referring to his queen.
Yeah I've seen a few people saying that the king is metheus which doesn't make much sense. It definitely fits to have the queen as metheus and the king and the fuelweaver. I'm not sure about Charlie being possessed by metheus though, as the power in Charlie seems to be somewhat sinister, which metheus is not. I think it's more likely she has access to the same power that the king foolishly used.
The lore question I want solved is what is going on with Wilson’s arms?
Ancient Fuelweaver really sounds like the king. The way he talks about his society, and when he tries the mind control he says "Lend me your power, one last time" meaning his power of the fuel before
other than that, when the fuelweaver is defeated its attacked by thorny vines which may depict that its was charlie who did it plus the rose, also he also says "You are not them" when he dies
Yeah, I've seen some people claiming that the fuelweaver is metheus but it's very hard to see him as anything but the king of the ancients, especially from looking at the quotes during the fight. The hands that capture him at the end kinda look like the hands that put you on the nightmare throne after adventure mode too. Not sure if that's a coincidence or not.
w8 I read somewhere that metheus is actually the queen not the king, it was confirmed (Idk this is second hand info)
and that the queen's spirit is actually the one who manifested in charlie and now fused with her
in a way, reviving the odd skeleton near the ancient gateway might be summoning the king since he's directly tied to the gateway due to the nightmare fuel influence and activating it sets the ruins at peak nightmare phase,
his last duty in his essence would be to stop the gateway from opening again,
this is all speculation I need to dig more
Yeah I didn't outright mention it in the video but my assumption is that the fuelweaver is the king and metheus was the queen. It fits with pretty much all of the info we have so far. The king is fulfilling his last duty of guarding the gateway because he repents and regrets what has happened to his queen and his people, often mentioning both.
I just realized that The Queen's torch is identical to the torch that Charlie uses to view the Eye in The Moon in the Axiom Visus trailer
Still hasn't done the metheus puzzle after 3 years
also can we talk about how pearl and crab king kindof remind of some murals?
This is like the saying
“A shrimp fried that rice?”
theory time !
I've been taking a long break from DST until it feels fresh enough to come back to (I played too much, lol) maybe in the next update, still excited
its just like a giant chess game in my opinion. The moon is the white side of chess and the shadows is the black side. The monsters, creatures, and by extension, our survivors are all pawns in the chess game. But as time goes on, the pawns can become queens. This might symbolize that our survivors might become stronger and play a bigger part
They were here all along
Love it
The lore of DS reminds me of the first skylanders game with the core of light and the darkness
Do you think that the Queen who was holding the torch now it’s the shadow hand that gets you’re fire if your inside and it night.
I can't really think of anything else that could be them, the light in the methius puzzle is something that was gone, and now it's returning. You bring up a really cool detail with the glass cutter being good against shadow creatures I've never thought about it like that but to me at least, this makes it seems like the lunar stuff out in the ocean is "them" if not connected to "them" in some way. The lunar island is brightly colored and the ruins and shadow creatures are dark. I disagree with your assessment of light verses dark being good verses evil though, or us verses them. Are we like, on the side of darkness for some reason? Charlie is not on our side as has been shown. And the light, or the lunar stuff, isn't like, good. It doesn't help us against the darkness. It revives hounds that we kill there, it upgrades the spiders that live there, if you have to much lunacy the things that live there put you to sleep. That's another contrast between light and dark, sanity on the lunar island is bad, while lack of sanity off the island is bad. So while the returning light may be kind of against the darkness, whoever "they" are might be against Charlie, the light is certainly not on our side.
Yeah there's a bit of a grey area with the whole Them = moon argument. I think it's more of a moon vs Them battle. And while the powers of the moon aren't all in our favour, we're definitely not on the side of Them. "The enemy of our enemy is our friend" kind of thing. Maybe we will play the role of a mediator and need to maintain the balance in the way that the ancients did before?
In my opinion, the changes that the moon applies to hounds, sanity, spiders etc. Are because of it's mutative nature and it's possible that gestralts want to tell something to survivors but they don't know how to do it. It doesn't mean that moon wants to hurt or get survivors into trouble.
I belive that neither the moon and the shadows have to prevail upon eachother.They need to be balanced like we'r shown in the murals.
Dude, with the newest update, I believe the water flowing into the cave is going to some how set them free
...aren’t the ocean’s waves influenced by the gravitational force of the moon? Maybe that’s why they’re connected.
The ancient gateway links to other realms I believe, like the gorge and the forge, possibly hamlet and shipwrecked, but also to THEM and their realm. I also believe the moon is connected to and can see all of these realms and influence them.
Wagstaff mentios when examining skyworthy and seaworthy that they function with the power of the fuel.but hamlet and shipwrecht are a part of the costan ,i belive that the portals are some sort of shortcuts bethween parts of the costant that use the fuel. the moon looks like it's a part of the costant or at least of the same universe and THEM might be trapped in this dimension,the balance between fuel and light keeping THEM at bay.
Lol, this video reminded me that this series actually has lore. Well, after 800+ hours of playing time to finally get to know some of it.
Azelar I think I play with you some day ago
Whats your steam name?
I have a good hypothesis that I developed by reading into the dst lore and the animations videos so..... I belive the ancient King was the first on nightmare throne and was put there by the "Them" then when William (later know as maxwell) used his codex umbra the shadows pulled him and Charlie because the queen (the one with the torch) wanted her husband out of there so she used the shadows (the shodows where loyal to her as the shadows are believed to be the ancient people and of course they will listen to their queen. so the queen use the nightmare to get maxwell and Charlie in the constant. because the ancient throne will only let go to it's seater if u give someone to sit on it after maxwell was sacrificed to stay there for eternity and the king was free. and the queen of darkness somehow combined with Charlie and Charlie became the new queen of darkness. After a while maxwell used the vaxola radio to make Wilson later build the portal to get to the constant. Wilson's purpose was to find maxwell free him then he'll take maxwell's place. and so he does as we can see in the adventure mode only that maxwell dies when he's freed and Wilson gets puten on the trone later. After that Charlie finds Wilson and frees him too. and as we can see in that short clip where Wilson gets freed she has an intirior fight with her new inner self, that I belive if the ancient Queen. After a while the Queen and Charlie got to balanced state. at day she was Charlie and at night the darkness queen. meanwhile as u said it the king became the ancient fuel weaver. and this is the reason why maxwell didn't actually died when Wilson freed him. whoever was set free was suppose to become the fuelweaver but because there was alredy one (the king) the 'THEM' let maxwell go back to the constent where he meets Wilson again and they had a fight. After a while they relised that alone they had no chance of survival so they stayed together looking for a way of surviving Charlie/ancient queen and the shodows monsters. from the floral postern New people fall for maxwells trap back then so new people later known as webber Wendy Wolfgang and wigfrid joined. and after that the rest came too alongside Winona Charlie's sister who was looking into finding Charlie and save her however it was far too late for that. also for the people who are wondering why everyone's name starts with 'W' I saw a video where someone had a very good hypothesis which imma use now too. the w in the ancient language looked vary similar to a letter the ancient used to show bravery and represented the right to become a royalty. maxwell found this out and he knew that only people with w can be placed on the throne of nightmares as they have the right to become the next king/Queen and so free our maxwell. thx if u read this whole again this is a hypothesis but I'm 90% sure this all makes sense to the dst lore. i hope this is relevant to the actual dst lore that klei has in mind but u know as our guy matpat says. "That's just a theory. a game theroy"
EDIT: also i belive that maxwell alongside of Charlie made all the monsters and animals from the constat as maxwell always refers to them as his creations like. "that was a failed experient" or "im proud of this one" I belive the nightmare throne grants its sitter big powers. which maxwell used to talk to Wilson into making the portal and to make all the entities because even though at first wanted to be free by Wilson he later realised that if Wilson frees him Wilson will be put on throne so he made the whole "constent trying to kill u thing" so Wilson never gets to actually free him. however despite his trials wilson still manged to survive and frees him. now after their both freed and throwed back into the constent maxwell has no more powers from the throne so he can't get rid of his creations so now he must survive all this "traps" he created.
Dumitru Gabriel that was a long one but it makes sense
@@عليالمرسومي-ب5ظ thx buddy yes I know its a long one but usually theories are long
Theory:
When the queen feel she somehow kinda controlled the moon, since the moon has light powers that go to the lunar island. And the queen is trying to stop the darkness from taking full control
Also it may have been the light was too weak and went were the shadow monsters could not,
The lunar island
yo what do you think would happen if you went to the metheus puzzle right after you beat fuel weaver and the portal is open?
And now the moon is confirmed as alive with an eye
Nice
You have a beautiful voice sir
No u
2:09= I'm getting major Hollow Knight vibes from this
I'm in it for the lore. I follow Beard 777 who does a fantastic indepth dive into every character, but I'd love to know what you think about them.
we need more portal shenanigans first. We already escaped(?) the constants to the forge, to the gorge, and now where are we? and how much of these events are canon?
tihs thon dosent locks like the nightmere thron is looks like the lunar throne i mean you can literly see the moon orb 4:23
Maybe they both have servants/ followers and when the one who holds the staff gained more power he used the portal to banishes them to the moon, maybe
I have been lissening alot and lissening to the all the DST comunity and its confusing. As *zeklo* says that "them" is comming hinting on the moon and then theres the rest of the *comunity* who says "them" is the nightmare creatures.
And its not like they dont know zeklo either.
@@skycopper1336 them is th3 power beyond the ancient gateway in my theory
Maybe some of 'them' have been set free and are now using the lunar magic to free the rest of ' them'
is that Maxwell and Charlie story similar to the mural ?
as someone wise once said: "history always repeats itself"
the metheus puzzle costed me 3 hours to solve
I wonder if Klei watched this
what i say might not be true but heres what i think
in one of the update trailers with that cave update with that mechanical worm looking thing made of stone. there are some light guys that are fighting the dum shadow monsters that always kill me somthing tells me that those are either ghosts of the ancient people that fight the darkness or light of the torch bearer that still defends the its fallen city
Here's a thought: "Them is plural. Therefore "They" are many. "They" could be both the moon and the shadow
might be because they are not male nor female. Just a power with a mind
The moon piece had turned ur unable-travelled-sea into travel-able. I find that kinda hilarious xD
I still not sure what else they will be adding aside from putting back the ancient queen(torch barer you mentioned) back as like an npc? They had so much new food, new character that are interesting and adding more fun to it. They also make boss(but so far they suck). The reason why I say she will became an NPC is because I do feel she fits like Pearl. She will appear from the ocean and probably asking players to assemble her back to her own self. (then plot twist, she became a boss lol) Just thinking cause, I dunno what else to add in the main game. Hearing there will be character refresh, I had worried if it will be a bad choice. So far we see Wendy has been a good update. WX could have a good update that offers something to other players. I am still just a player, waiting them to surprise me. What if... the stagehand is her ALL ALONG?
any links for the mural pics?
If you search "don't starve together metheus murals" they are the first pictures that come up.
@@DemonRebuilt thank you :D
They are tow brothers
Will any of this be coming to console anytime soon? I don't know about the ruins, I'm mainly talking about the water part.
Doubt
@@cheesejam1373 Bruh... It's all on console now.
Ok
Noice
There are so many things i don't know abot don't starve
Wow he basically just predicted latest update w9th the battle
Wormwood😇
moon dlc incoming :D
Mmmm mmyes
Zelklo come over her and help us with lore
YEAH the moon is angry that its power user has fallen moon tries to murder darknes.
Them = Edgy Rick
He back
*So? When don't starve classic update*
Yeah! everyone doesn't have friends.
@@madman7544 i dont have pc and money to buy the game
it would why not i'm gonna throw my two cents in maybe you got to learn their enemy before you understand the creatures that were going to
I think them is the celestial guardian
I actually think that Charlie is against the moon, I forget where this theory came from but essentially the moon is the light to Charlie’s darkness, on full moons there’s no enemies and if you think about it, the moon provides light in the darkness of night. Edit: the video theory this is based off of is The beard777’s return of them/lunar update video a year ago
Yep that makes a lot of sense.
Why do i think about petrol in our wolrd xD
I wish they made dst and hamlet and shipwrecked combined in console 😭😭😭😭
HOLY SHIT GUYS, I THINK IT MOONLORD FROM TERRARIA
*Asian dude screaming in pure bliss*
0:13 I'll do you one better.
*Why* are they?
I hate endothermic fire!! Its impossible, blue fire is hotter than orange, not colder. It should be nightmare fire (and hiding in the caves for cold)
Its all started when maxwell open the forbidden book of knowledge and puff! Everything get worse our charlie become our greatest enemy and he took maxwell and put him to the dark throne and idk why maxwell managed to communicate to the reality but i think he alrdy know how to control it for a Little bit and choose his victim (wilson,willow and the other characters welp not actually all of them are victim of maxwell) and the reason why he trick and lure his victim is order to find him and switch positions and he successfully made it but the end he die (welp with a plot twist his forbidden book of knowledge save him because tht book was paying a respect for his god damn master!!!!) and wilson is now stuck on the dark throne but guess what!? Our friendly charlie is coming to the rescue!!! (Evil Charlie: Well F*CK ME BEFORE IT HAPPENED!) And charlie dump him to the trash world and wilson woke up and he started from the beginning once again!!! (Players: but for us its a lot of pain) but guess what "DON'T STARVE TOGETHER EDITION WITH A NEW SEASON 2 STORY!!!" was came to our world to play it and alot of things is happened but here's my thoughts this will end once we defeat the last boss of this story and that's is Evil Charlie
Wait you not zeklo
Correct, this is DemonRebuilt, not Zeklo
@@taffymatt1366 sure it may be DemonRebuilt but it FEELS like zeklo :)
This makes me think of Hollow Knight...
Hey I’m the first
Tencent bought klei, peeps !
I can do you one better... WHY are they?
Everyone always asks who they are but no one asks how they are smh