Mirrorless? Hell I’m selling my Sony FX9 for the C400. It is everything I need and dreamt of in an extremely compact body. This is the closest you come to an Arri Mini LF for the common man.
Canon says 16 stops, but we know manufacturers tell tall tales . Arri mini LF is 13-15 stops. If you get 12-14 stops on the C400, you definitely have an Alexa mini equivalent without the in camera log C3.
@@TheSpiritawake Yes, claimed stops and usable stops are two different thing. Remember when RED claimed 20 stops of DR, but 7 of those stops weren’t usable at the end of the day. I believe the C400 will be more than enough for my type of work, even if it’s 13-14ish. My FX9 produces an amazing image with plenty of DR. But is is flawed in so many other ways.
I believe the 32-bit float implementation would be a hardware issue based on the internal preamps - it's why Panasonic had to release a new audio module with the GH7 as they couldn't incorporate it into the camera itself. So in the case of the C400 I'm not sure it could be included in a firmware update. I'm happy to be corrected if someone else has more info.
Is firmware not hardware, it’s digital. Most recorders work in a 32 bit space to begin with, but store in a 24 bit codec. A firmware upgrade can store in 32 bit. That however destroys 70% of the market, especially live and broadcasters. Well unless the 32 bit is an option. Most Filmmakers and creators have short turnaround times and don’t need anything raw.
It definitely looks good, and I can see why you'd be tempted from the R5 or R6. As a C300 mkiii user I'll be holding off for a while, but there's a lot to admire with the C400.
You know the funny thing is I've been watching your channel since I bought the R5C and last month I ended up picking up the C70 for my second cam. It was a really hard decision that I had to roll the dice on. I only had 2,000 bucks to spend but after I brought the R6 Mark II home I realize I did not want to spend $2,000 bucks on a camera I didn't love. Now I have a C70 and an R5C and I am still in the beginning stages of getting used to the C70. I can say the battery life alone has made me fall in love. However not having a full frame sensor in 2024 wasn't a great idea for me to purchase.
Thanks for sharing. The C70 will always be a great camera but yeah, the crop sensor is soul destroying when you bought expensive full frame glass. Save your money and get one of these next year.
I'm using the R5C and the FX6 for wildlife video and I'm quite tempted by this. With the triple native ISO of the C400 along with the 6k sensor, it just might be the FX6 that goes on the block.
2 dealbreakers for me; almost all my clients want photos even on video shoots. And still from video footage doesn’t always cut it. And for me, EVF is a must… especially outside.
This tends to happen on smaller jobs but with any substantial video shoot, I’d separate it out. Recently a client wanted me to do both but we ended up booking an additional day for photos. I’ll keep the R5c for sure.
As a new R5 C owner (yeah, late adopter) … I’d miss the hybrid capability and the 8K resolution (downsampled); however, built in ND’s, better autofocus, dynamic range, and triple base ISO … kind of tempting, but I think it’s kind of pricey.
Yeah, I'm the same. I just love hybrid photo / video cameras in the small form factor. I could probably run my business for another few years with the R5C but this camera has so much to offer, it's kind of a no-brainer!
That's why my R5C will become the B-Cam. It's going to be perfect at that, keep it around for stills and whenever I need a second angle or a smaller camera. I understand if you just jumped into it, that is probably not something you were considering for now, and that's ok! Now if only they would give us C-log2 on the R5C so we can match these two without having to use C-log3...
Nice to hear your thoughts on the C400. As you were sat down, is there not a Canon app to set manual focus? Oh well, just proves that no AF system is perfect.
Off topic, but I am almost 50 and have gotten to the point where I don’t even notice British, Scottish, Irish or Australian accents anymore. Maybe I have just watched too many Guy Ritchie films. ;)
32-bit float could not be added in firmware because you’d need to have two physical A-D converters… one for the high amplitude (Loud stuff) and one for the low amplitude (quiet stuff). It’s like trying to add DGO after the fact. That’s down to the sensor itself. But… you could add support for the camera to understand 32-bit float files. Wouldn’t really help if you can’t get the audio in that way unless they did it through the USB-C port some how.
Yes, I get you. Silly of me to even think for a second that it could. I'm not overly technical on this and 32 FP is new to me, I'm only using it a month or two. Thanks for the comment.
@@HuFilms I looked it up on B&H here in the US where the specification sheet says the “effective” resolution is 19MP at 6008 x 3170. So the sensor wafer may be 4300 pixels tall, but Canon have limited the number of pixels supported by the triple-base ISO circuitry. Adding the intermediate (3200) ISO option will likely be this camera’s super power for a long time to come. I will be shocked if any other manufacturer accomplishes the same any time soon-if ever.
This comment section is mostly “video” shooters it seems not production filmmakers or cinematographers You can’t compare DSLr / Mirror less cameras to cinema cameras. When you have a 1st and 2nd AC - Multi dialog channels / sound techs and cinema glass you need this type of form factor. This isn’t a videographer camera. It’s a production camera. :) 😊
I'd say this is squarely aimed at the solo/run and gun/lower budget shooters. The RF mount, AF, and 12,800 base ISO are huge tools for run and gun and low budget shooting. If you have budget for 1st and 2nd ACs then you have a gaffer and a lighting package and there are other cameras that will get you a much better image. It's weird that you are simultaneously talking down to "video" shooters so pretentiously yet thinking that this camera is good enough to bring on a high budget production. Very cool camera for the person who needs it.
@@HuFilms correct - I mean look at the commercial canon paid for “scary good” that was full on production. The “video” market that will buy this will be operators that are leveling up their one man band video business and picking up larger budget clients / work where they will run in small teams. AKA production. They’ll have crews of 2-6 pax on set and their will be talent to direct be it client interviews, documentary style content or a small movie :)
@@KatieandVin I’m not talking down to anyone bud. I’m simply pointing out the mixed up worlds of production and video work. And I don’t agree with your comment at all. Why would lower budget shooters buy a $10k camera brain that still needs alot of accessories. When you invest in a cinema camera it’s a $50k exercise ++ what low budget shooters are going to bust $50k to do $1000/$2000 videos. It would take a year to make back just the cost of the camera, lens, new tripod to hold the heavier camera, monitors, case to carry it all. Plus it’s heavy and bulky AF The industry is changing fast. Heavy bulky crews are becoming a thing of the past. Small powerful nimble teams are what works now on jobs $20k-$100k And I’m curious about your comment on the image of this camera - because unless you have owned one already or shot one how do you know about the image , TH-cam compression is rubbish. Until you have actually tested it yourself your comment makes no sense and it’s an assumption. And further more - what cinema camera at this price point comes close? Genuinely interested- the options are very small.. FX6 ? Komodo X ? People dismiss canon Raw cause they fan girl out on R3D but they -a) don’t own either camera system and b) don’t even shoot raw half the time they are stuck in XFAXC lol
@@KatieandVin and lastly yeah man I agree this is a dope camera. Canon have done well. I’m a CPS member ( canon professional services ) - I own a C300 Mkiii and most my projects get shot on RED Gemini , Arri mini LF or c300 mkiii , I won’t be buying a C400 at this stage however I think canon did great on this camera. As a documentary / small production camera is slaps :)
If you're referring to my tagline in the thumb, that's a 'figure of speech' and the point in which I refer to mirrorless owners going for this, I feel it would be the next step. It would be a dumb move to sell all your photo cameras if you're into photography but this camera would make life easier for a lot of us filmmakers who use the mirrorless cameras on a daily basis.
To the ones complaining about the c400 not having still capabilities.. higher end cinema cameras are not for you. Move on.
Judging by your own channel, I think you should move on, shut up or at the very least drop the condescending tone.
People complained about that? Haha
I think is a great move from Canon too. A game changer
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mirrorless? Hell I’m selling my Sony FX9 for the C400. It is everything I need and dreamt of in an extremely compact body. This is the closest you come to an Arri Mini LF for the common man.
You're doing the right thing bro.
@@HuFilms would you care to explain a little more why in your opinion? :) I'm a highly undecisive person lol.
The GH7 has Arri log, even closer lol!! m43 tho...
Canon says 16 stops, but we know manufacturers tell tall tales . Arri mini LF is 13-15 stops. If you get 12-14 stops on the C400, you definitely have an Alexa mini equivalent without the in camera log C3.
@@TheSpiritawake Yes, claimed stops and usable stops are two different thing. Remember when RED claimed 20 stops of DR, but 7 of those stops weren’t usable at the end of the day.
I believe the C400 will be more than enough for my type of work, even if it’s 13-14ish. My FX9 produces an amazing image with plenty of DR. But is is flawed in so many other ways.
Thanks for your thoughts Hugh! Can't wait to hear what you think about the C400 once you get your hands on it!
Cheers Josh, we gotta do a catch up chat.
@@HuFilms Let’s do it!
...I just ordered one, and I am so excited....cant wait to shoot first footage with it!
Great choice man, it's such a beast of a camera for that money.
I believe the 32-bit float implementation would be a hardware issue based on the internal preamps - it's why Panasonic had to release a new audio module with the GH7 as they couldn't incorporate it into the camera itself. So in the case of the C400 I'm not sure it could be included in a firmware update.
I'm happy to be corrected if someone else has more info.
Yeah, kind of naive of me to think it could be added in a firmware update. Definitely something the'd have in it from the start if at all possible,
I considered this but then had to ask myself how Rode and DJI managed to include 32-bit technology in their compact wireless mics?
Is firmware not hardware, it’s digital. Most recorders work in a 32 bit space to begin with, but store in a 24 bit codec. A firmware upgrade can store in 32 bit. That however destroys 70% of the market, especially live and broadcasters. Well unless the 32 bit is an option. Most Filmmakers and creators have short turnaround times and don’t need anything raw.
It definitely looks good, and I can see why you'd be tempted from the R5 or R6. As a C300 mkiii user I'll be holding off for a while, but there's a lot to admire with the C400.
I own a C300 mkiii as well and I don’t feel like I want to change. DGO is a game changer
C400 has nothing better beyond full frame and RF mount against the c3mk3.
You know the funny thing is I've been watching your channel since I bought the R5C and last month I ended up picking up the C70 for my second cam. It was a really hard decision that I had to roll the dice on. I only had 2,000 bucks to spend but after I brought the R6 Mark II home I realize I did not want to spend $2,000 bucks on a camera I didn't love. Now I have a C70 and an R5C and I am still in the beginning stages of getting used to the C70. I can say the battery life alone has made me fall in love. However not having a full frame sensor in 2024 wasn't a great idea for me to purchase.
Thanks for sharing. The C70 will always be a great camera but yeah, the crop sensor is soul destroying when you bought expensive full frame glass. Save your money and get one of these next year.
Thanks for taking the time to create this impression video Hugh!
You nailed it. I thought they would have create a C70 MKII Full Frame. That would have been a perfect camera.
I'm using the R5C and the FX6 for wildlife video and I'm quite tempted by this. With the triple native ISO of the C400 along with the 6k sensor, it just might be the FX6 that goes on the block.
2 dealbreakers for me; almost all my clients want photos even on video shoots. And still from video footage doesn’t always cut it. And for me, EVF is a must… especially outside.
This tends to happen on smaller jobs but with any substantial video shoot, I’d separate it out. Recently a client wanted me to do both but we ended up booking an additional day for photos. I’ll keep the R5c for sure.
@@HuFilms True. But lately jobs/budgets have been getting smaller around here.
There are so many outputs including USB-C you can get a third party EVF and hood.
@@mostlymessingabout yeah, lots of options for sure.
Or simply buy amirrorless that does everything he needs right out of the box@@mostlymessingabout
A no brainer. Will pair perfect with my C70. The FF RF we've been waiting for!
Completely agree.
I'm the exact same. Have the c70 that I love but haven't invested in RF glass because it's super 35! Can't wait for this.
Your audio is so good.
This is my future camera in like 5-7 years.
As a new R5 C owner (yeah, late adopter) … I’d miss the hybrid capability and the 8K resolution (downsampled); however, built in ND’s, better autofocus, dynamic range, and triple base ISO … kind of tempting, but I think it’s kind of pricey.
Yeah, I'm the same. I just love hybrid photo / video cameras in the small form factor. I could probably run my business for another few years with the R5C but this camera has so much to offer, it's kind of a no-brainer!
That's why my R5C will become the B-Cam. It's going to be perfect at that, keep it around for stills and whenever I need a second angle or a smaller camera. I understand if you just jumped into it, that is probably not something you were considering for now, and that's ok! Now if only they would give us C-log2 on the R5C so we can match these two without having to use C-log3...
If you’re wanting a hybrid and 8k is too much for you, this type of camera isn’t right for you.
Nice to hear your thoughts on the C400. As you were sat down, is there not a Canon app to set manual focus? Oh well, just proves that no AF system is perfect.
Yeah, I had the focus rectangle centred in the image. I should have placed it over the headrest.
Off topic, but I am almost 50 and have gotten to the point where I don’t even notice British, Scottish, Irish or Australian accents anymore. Maybe I have just watched too many Guy Ritchie films. ;)
32-bit float could not be added in firmware because you’d need to have two physical A-D converters… one for the high amplitude (Loud stuff) and one for the low amplitude (quiet stuff). It’s like trying to add DGO after the fact. That’s down to the sensor itself. But… you could add support for the camera to understand 32-bit float files. Wouldn’t really help if you can’t get the audio in that way unless they did it through the USB-C port some how.
Yes, I get you. Silly of me to even think for a second that it could. I'm not overly technical on this and 32 FP is new to me, I'm only using it a month or two. Thanks for the comment.
Your R5C is struggling a bit here with AF
Yeah, I forgot to move the box over to the headrest if the chair. It's mostly OK though.
I think it doesn't like the hands. But looks better than my old c100
@@HuFilms You are lucky, that you are not an italian, lol! We would never know your face 😂. Just don`t point with your hands to the lens...
It’s a DCI sensor which does not offer the height for 3:2 open gate.
I thought that but the full size on the CVP website says it's 4000 or so high. Confusing!
@@HuFilms I looked it up on B&H here in the US where the specification sheet says the “effective” resolution is 19MP at 6008 x 3170. So the sensor wafer may be 4300 pixels tall, but Canon have limited the number of pixels supported by the triple-base ISO circuitry. Adding the intermediate (3200) ISO option will likely be this camera’s super power for a long time to come. I will be shocked if any other manufacturer accomplishes the same any time soon-if ever.
This comment section is mostly “video” shooters it seems not production filmmakers or cinematographers
You can’t compare DSLr / Mirror less cameras to cinema cameras.
When you have a 1st and 2nd AC - Multi dialog channels / sound techs and cinema glass you need this type of form factor. This isn’t a videographer camera. It’s a production camera. :) 😊
OK, so the C400 isn't aimed at videographers then. Gotcha 👍
I'd say this is squarely aimed at the solo/run and gun/lower budget shooters. The RF mount, AF, and 12,800 base ISO are huge tools for run and gun and low budget shooting. If you have budget for 1st and 2nd ACs then you have a gaffer and a lighting package and there are other cameras that will get you a much better image. It's weird that you are simultaneously talking down to "video" shooters so pretentiously yet thinking that this camera is good enough to bring on a high budget production.
Very cool camera for the person who needs it.
@@HuFilms correct - I mean look at the commercial canon paid for “scary good” that was full on production. The “video” market that will buy this will be operators that are leveling up their one man band video business and picking up larger budget clients / work where they will run in small teams. AKA production. They’ll have crews of 2-6 pax on set and their will be talent to direct be it client interviews, documentary style content or a small movie :)
@@KatieandVin I’m not talking down to anyone bud. I’m simply pointing out the mixed up worlds of production and video work. And I don’t agree with your comment at all. Why would lower budget shooters buy a $10k camera brain that still needs alot of accessories. When you invest in a cinema camera it’s a $50k exercise ++ what low budget shooters are going to bust $50k to do $1000/$2000 videos. It would take a year to make back just the cost of the camera, lens, new tripod to hold the heavier camera, monitors, case to carry it all. Plus it’s heavy and bulky AF
The industry is changing fast. Heavy bulky crews are becoming a thing of the past. Small powerful nimble teams are what works now on jobs $20k-$100k
And I’m curious about your comment on the image of this camera - because unless you have owned one already or shot one how do you know about the image , TH-cam compression is rubbish. Until you have actually tested it yourself your comment makes no sense and it’s an assumption. And further more - what cinema camera at this price point comes close? Genuinely interested- the options are very small.. FX6 ? Komodo X ? People dismiss canon Raw cause they fan girl out on R3D but they -a) don’t own either camera system and b) don’t even shoot raw half the time they are stuck in XFAXC lol
@@KatieandVin and lastly yeah man I agree this is a dope camera. Canon have done well.
I’m a CPS member ( canon professional services ) - I own a C300 Mkiii and most my projects get shot on RED Gemini , Arri mini LF or c300 mkiii , I won’t be buying a C400 at this stage however I think canon did great on this camera. As a documentary / small production camera is slaps :)
No thanks, I'm sticking with my Pyxis preorder.
I would never switch my mirrorless for a camera without ibis and my camera has to be able to take high quality pictures as well. Mirrorless rules!
If you're referring to my tagline in the thumb, that's a 'figure of speech' and the point in which I refer to mirrorless owners going for this, I feel it would be the next step. It would be a dumb move to sell all your photo cameras if you're into photography but this camera would make life easier for a lot of us filmmakers who use the mirrorless cameras on a daily basis.
canon is 3 years tooo late.