Onyx have essentially suffer from the cool jobber syndrome. They are designed to be like and seen as cool and badass But ultimately a device to show the power of an enemy or the exceptionalism of the protagonists. Knights of ren, Spartan 4s, the blades from elder scrolls, all suffer from this
Don't forget the ANBU from naruto lol despite being talked about as the "elite" group they routinely get thrashed just to show how dangerous the bad guys are
Yeah i think that was the point of them they were made to be arrogant assholes who were told and treated if they were the top dogs of the cog army and were given special amour and probably used as propaganda to regular gears if that they do good they might became an onyx guard cause they're the best of the best but in reality they were way over their hands and were no match for the locust army and were proof that words don't speak louder than actions.
An easy fix to this would've been introducing them taking out weaker forces with ease before having them get trashed by elites like Theron guards. Locust forces were almost always superior to human forces, but onyx guards should've been shown taking out at least hordes of drones or wretches. Show us that even though they're out numbered, their coordination would mean the locust horde would always lose a good number of soldiers before taking them out. I think a good way to go about this would be to treat them like Spartans in halo. Spartans weren't invincible, but they would inspire hope in marines when showing up to what felt like an unwinnable fight. We should have felt some relief seeing them, kind like "shit was hella tough, but now the big guns are here to help us even the odds!" Tldr: We needed to see them rise at least a little before they fell.
I agree, they were kinda confusing. Like they were pitched as this "off the book/doesn't exist" secret army but they would mention them on comms. The fact that they also didn't do much in both the games and the lore didn't help.
They really do. I’ve been saying this for years. For an “Elite” “best of the best” unit, to always get wiped out so quickly is crazy. Also, I’ve been playing gears 4 constantly and the fact that there’s no Onyx guard skin in the game saddens me 😪😪😪
@@Eizh that’s true however, remember in gears 3 when those 2 onyx guards got smoked defending Prescott by a couple of locusts? Prescott would ONLY have the best of the best Onyx guards with him especially if he only chose 2
@@Cocostinkypaws They die defending Prescott and Michaelson from the Lambent. In fact Gears of War 2 shows you in Nexus that even the Locust are unable to confront the Lambent, in Rise of RAAM we see that the Locust really couldn't repel them, which is why they started E-Day. The Onyx died defending Prescott and Michaelson from them and in the end not even Michaelson could survive and Prescott ended up mortally wounded, Captain Michaelson was one of the 5 most important people in Gears Pre-V-Day, next to Prescott, Hoffman, Adam and Trescu.
Bingo. I never did see Onyx Guard as special forces or anything like that Dom's commando unit fit that role. I always saw Onyx as kinda like military police unit.
I’d love an onyx guard game, where we’re playing as a unit it could be during the pendulum wars or during the locust wars. It wolf be interesting to see them being sent out as protection units or even some of the darker actions of the cog as well.
They really do deserve better bc they are an elite task force and they didn’t get there without half of the people around them dying and if there in an elite task force they are highly trained gears
i agree 100% with this although i would also apply it to the UIR as well hell i even want a game where you play as the locust, maybe against the lambent pre-emergence day
It’s too bad that we never got the Onyx Guard fps game. That would’ve been a great way to better flesh them out and show what they should be capable of. Gears of War and Halo are two great examples of IPs with a really rich setting that has all kinds of room for spin-offs/side stories, but the people currently in charge have a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes both settings great and are beyond incompetent. Too bad Microsoft has staffed 343 and the Coalition with people who are Chris Chan level regarded.
Exactly, I share the same thoughts. We have have a expand universe for both franchise like warhammer 40k but the studios dont have any interesnt only makig money.
One of the Og concepts for Gears J. Was a 1st person game. Where we play as an Onyx guard squad, going on crucial missions during the locust war. To me. These mythic soldiers, were as badass as the ODST troopers in Halo. Given a locust equivalent. They should on par, with atleast Cyclops shook troopers. (Those locust, chainsaw pricks) Instead, they are a bunch of chumps. Getting owned by weaker locust. And abused by subordinates.
another thing the Onyx armor in G5 looks more like standard Gear armor just panted black compared to the original G3 that had a more form fitting and smooth design. Kinda like how iron man’s armor got more form fitting and compacted each movie but in reverse
Fun fact. After Gears 3, Cliffy B pitched the concept of a FPS game that you would play as the Onyx Guard going on various tactical missions behind enemy lines.
They seem to be trying rectify this with Gears like Sofia (whom I really hope returns) and Keegan. Onyx commander Paul Drury is also confirmed to have survived the Locust War and still alive by Gears 4 & 5; hopefully we see him again later too. As for their apparent and constant nerfing, well, I look at it this way: how many Theron and Palace Guards have Marcus and co. managed to kill on their own?
I do believe that Gears of War universe deserve more context, backstory, at least another comic book or book about the militaristic history of the humans of Sera.
they were always my favorable unit i deff wish we had more of them. there badass and could really get into more of the lore like a squad going in the hallow for the first time. playing as them would be so cool instead of online just not the same. the gears 3 model is my fav skin though just bulky and mean looking
I know I say it in every video he makes that has an Onyx guard but it’s true that Sophia and Keegan are the only 2 Onyx guards to be useful and not die within 5 seconds of being on screen. But Maybe the onyx are a really weird Star Wars reference, the empire’s storm troopers sound terrifying and wreck everyone and everything but once they’re on screen they’re just canon fodder, maybe the Onyx guard (and Carmines) are a reference to that. Badass soldiers who are supposed to be the elites and wreck everyone but get wrecked themselves in under 5 minutes
Sophia wasn't a full on onyx guard. She was a cadet, and the onyx guard that mentioned that to her ended up dying moments later, so fuck him and the onyx guard😂😂
The worse enemy of the Onyx Guard is bad writting. Sadly since the massive fiasco of the woke Gears 5 and the death of mutiple franchises i fear coalition wont do any better. Only in NPC Wars (a channel were NPCs battles) we have trully see what the Onyx Guard were capable of. Taking down a Brumak and chainsaw mutiple locusts.
I always thought of the onyx guard as what their name states - guards. They're body guard for important commanders and politicians. Not commandos for covert ops or elite shock troops, but personal guards that extended to whatever mission they're tasked with by those they guard. Kind of like the SS, guards to the guy in charge but dubious when in the field. I think these are veteran gears that get promoted for their skill and then let that combat effectiveness grow full from inaction, so while yes these guys are the elite on paper, active Gears that survive long enough get the veterancy to take them above what the onyx guard are capable of
I remember that onyx gaurds were the best assassins during the pendulum wars but got too cocky of their reputation that they couldn't adapt fghting the locust. Kinda bums me out cause i thought they died fighting the queen herself and her royal guards not freaking grunts. Delta ended up being the new onyx the way they were going. That said G3 onyx guard had the best voice and loomis was the biggest POS and might be worse than Myrrah. At least she cared about her people.
Another example of a unit or faction being underutilized and underdeveloped despite all this narrative bulid up and declarations the writiers portray them as.
Yea they deserved alot better like seriouly if they were gonna lose there mighty land to the Locust let it be known the Locust had to deal with a massive sense of loss at the same time to, how much it took to take a place like of that scale nothing but "THE BEST OF THE BEST" no "REGULAR COGS" but literally the "ELITE" the main solider would just be an elite rookie id anything. They need more love fr!
The Onice guards looks like the Military Police in Attack on Titan. They are supposed to be the best of the best soldiers to protect the king, but in reality they made an effort in the military academy to not have risks outside the walls.
I went back to playing gears of war 1 since they fixed the servers. I think ima stay there 😂. I have 0 faith in the coalition. Everything ended at 3 for me I’m done. Gears 1 always was and always will be my favorite multiplayer wise so I’m happy
This has been a huge thing for years that has bothered me. The onyx are supposed to be the best of the best, the best the cog has. But everytime they show up on screen, they get absolutely manhandled. Which makes it worse is that they look absolutely badass, but don't live up to their personality and looks. Hopefully in Gears 6 they redeem themselves (which I doubt).
I think them sucking in 3 is justified because they were on a island not really fighting unlike the normal gears. In judgement I give them credit for holding a court room for a case that probably lasted a few hours while slowly getting wilted down.( love the scene where Lumen like "at least it's not to far a walk back into the fight") and them disappeared after they lose their academy makes sense. The general population probably thought they got wiped out after that and any remaining oynx guard probably got put on Azure where they became lazy guards. With maybe a few staying behind to actually live up to their name
3:22 That's their motto. :) Lol But try to think about the Pendulum Wars too. I'm highly certain they've likely kicked a lot of UIR ass. And when Marcus said something about a "last war" after talking about the base that's a bunker for the Elite COG, I'm Marcus were referring to the Pendulum Wars. But standing against monsters, I know they deserve better. MUCH better actually. And Keegan is lucky an Onyx badass, and I hope there's those of other generations that can also stand out for Onyx Guards of any kind.
While you are right about the onyx guards Raam was difficult anyways even Marcus and Dom had a very hard time with him due to how smart and strategic he was
Its sad that lore wise both from books and by even some of the main characters that they are meant to be be the best of the best. They often were given the best armor,weapons and vehicles, yet the few times we encounter them they seemingly get killed off by a gameplay perspective a small or medium sized enemy forces. We should get a game or dlc that focus on a squad of them proving they can actually live up to the mystery and hype that in universe surrounds them.
Nah, my favorite character in Gears 3, Judgment and Gears 5 were always the Onyx, i have always been Onyx, even in Gears Tactics my entire squad is full Onyx or Gears with black armor to pretend it. But the Onyx don't deserve more, they are better off that way. In Gears 3 they tell you that the Official Channels deny their existence, since they are a secret Elite group who acts under Prescott's Orders, the comics confirm this by being the ones who defended Azura from the attack of the entire Queen's Locust Elite, you can even look their corpses during Gears 3, they died barricading themselves against the Locust in the Main Building where they had Adam Fenix, 3 other dead squads at the entrance and apparently, Adam's personal guard dead at the outside of his room, in fact the Onyx guarding Adam Fenix are dead surrounded by Locust corpses, one of them decapitating a Locust before dying. Then we see them again in RAAM's Shadow, where they are personally sent to confront RAAM and cause several problems in his path. So its proven that they are the Elite of the COG by having faced only the strongest Locusts in the Saga. But what happens in Gears of War Judgment? In Judgment they confirm the reason for their disappearance from the Official Channels, since the Academy where they trained was completely destroyed. They even point out that all the Onyx who died were cadets, the lowest in the army, being part of the Onyx Guard doesn't mean automatically being an expert, they are trained and then sent on missions to gain experience, none of the Onyx who fought in the Academy had experience, Sofia herself had joined the Guard a few days before E-Day, this means that all the Onyx who died defending the Academy had barely enlisted and died directly facing Karn and his troops. The same Onyx were sent as reinforcements to the Museum of Military Glory, where they were intercepted by Karn and annihilated. In the Museum we can see a Squad of Onyx Guards who held off the Locust on their own until Kilo arrived and they even leave the Museum to confront Karn directly, where we see them die in combat. That means the Onyx Guard really was the Elite of the army and that's why Loomis pushed them so hard, they had prestige and they had earned it in the Pendulum Wars, but the Locust were something new and not even the Guard could contain such an overwhelming force like the Locust. Just look at the E-Day trailer, Marcus Fenix was beaten by a simple Drone, Marcus Fenix himself almost died facing a Common Grub, imagine then what the Onyx Guard faced when enduring waves of these, not only these, Karn used to send Boomers with Mulcher and Kantus during his Sieges, you can understand that all the time the Onyx Guard gave their best against the best, but no one sees it that way.
A game focus on the onyx guard during the pendulum war, would be interesting. I think it could show how great they were supposed to be. Maybe the locust war they were unable to adapt to the hollow creatures and caught off guard by random e-holes by the locust. This could be why they seem so incompetent. Still holding prestige from the pendulum war but in the locust war unable to overcome the challenge.
The onyx guard are like delta force. Everyone knows they exist we just don’t really know what missions and where they are deployed While the commandos are like rangers quick and stealthy behind enemy lines.
Pisses me off. Elite Military arm of the Coalitions High Command yet they never actually cause any significant victories or even influence the outcome of battles in the games or in lore.
Onyx gard need there own games and new onyx gard mane character like marcus fenix who lead there own teams like delta team but this mane character doesn't need helmet
Honestly thw ONYX guard REALLY NEED THE SPOTLIGHT and need to be taken more seriously. The MC basicly makes them look like cannon fodder. WHICH IS BULLSHIT. BESIDES THEIR THE BEST OF THE BEST A 4 PLAYER MUIT-PLAYER GAMEMODE CALLED "COVERT OPS" WHERE YOU OR UP TO 3 OTHER PLAYERS GO ON SECRET MISSIONS WITH MODIFIERS AND A EVAC AT THE END.
I've said a lot to friends who love Gears that the series is ripe with potential for prequel games, maybe an Onyx Guard focused one could work? Or reading some of the theories in this chat, as the war rages on and more gears die, they're slowly replaced with soliders who are more willing to keep quiet about the COGs secrets vs their combat abilities.
Onyx Guard: "We're the last line of defense! We're the best of the best!" CoG Soldier: "Ha, look at little Captain Seria over here! Best of the best, Sir! It's cute".
In Gears Tactics they can get Onyx Guard gear. I know its not the same but at least we see guys in the dark armor winning that way. As for the rest they seem to be in the same boat as the Anbu from Naruto. They're called the elite to make the enemies and important characters look better though they're not given any cool moments to showcase how good they are. Its fine to have them lose but like have them lose with piles of enemies around them to showcase why they're called the best of the best. Hope we get more characters that are from the Onyx Guard proper or something that do something important on screen.
Holy fuck imagine a Halo Wars style gears game with onyx instead of ODST’s, or a gears game depicting bigger battles with more AI or stealth missions with spec ops
Problem was the people leading the Coalition that brought the Onyx Guard to it's fate. Careless leadership (such as Loomis) killer countless due to egotism.
No matter how cool they are the problem lies with comics/books and The Coalition official lore and fan lore. Something could be made but then you get fans that either love official lore or hate it and then there's the DMCA strike on fan lore.
I know people hate Gears 5 and want the series to die while begging to the developers to save the series, like wut? Anyways, imagine if D Carmine was an Onyx Guard.
I noticed years and years ago that the elite Onyx Guards had a filthy habit of losing every single combat engagement that they participated in. That always seemed ironic to me.
I look at the Onyx Guards the same as The Jedi Temple Guards. They look cool and in charge of guarding the temple but there are way better Jedi than them same with gears and the onyx guards
In defense of the onyx guard 1) has the onyx guards had a fair chance on screen? They faced top tier locust in unfair circumstances 2) they suffer from main character syndrome. This happens to literally any entertainment 😂. Main characters always wins.
one word yes when I first saw them in gears 3, and judgment iwas like ayyyyeeew yo they different from the other cog gears n they looked badass but I was sadly disappointed that they died so quickly I was like nvm but I hope they change that cause they deserve better
Im coming from an older video but why did the locust never use the Kryll to fight the lambent? Raam showed he had control over them so why didn't he just use the kryll to keep them at bay while they came up with a cure. The lambency also wasn't as mutated at that point, so I feel like it shouldn't have pushed them back as hard as it did.
this why I dont like gears of war after 3. I rather see a slight reboot where spot light is given where it should be do. Where carmines and onyx gaurds have bigger role/or get more acknowledgement.
why do sci-fi stories alwey do this where Elite units get absolutely destroyed all times they have to fight ? i'm kinda tired of this trope and no amount of writing how great the stormtrooper aims in lore if in everytime they are shown they can't hit a single shot. PLEASE sci-fi writers make elite units be what they are meant to be ELITE. when i write my story the elite units will have a lot of good moments
Definitely, they're supposed to be the elite, not floor decorations that make you ponder the tragedies of war or the fragility of life or some other bullshit
Onyx have essentially suffer from the cool jobber syndrome.
They are designed to be like and seen as cool and badass
But ultimately a device to show the power of an enemy or the exceptionalism of the protagonists.
Knights of ren, Spartan 4s, the blades from elder scrolls, all suffer from this
Don't forget the ANBU from naruto lol despite being talked about as the "elite" group they routinely get thrashed just to show how dangerous the bad guys are
Spartan 4s get respect in Halo at least. These guys are just there to make the protagonists look good.
Yeah i think that was the point of them they were made to be arrogant assholes who were told and treated if they were the top dogs of the cog army and were given special amour and probably used as propaganda to regular gears if that they do good they might became an onyx guard cause they're the best of the best but in reality they were way over their hands and were no match for the locust army and were proof that words don't speak louder than actions.
also the spartan 4s were more competent than the onyx guards tbh.
this trope is called the worf effect, if anyone cares
Yes the onyx guards really do deserve better
True...
I feel like they are just for it to be killed
The only reason they lose is plot. That's really all it comes down to.
@@hewhobattles8869 what do mean?
Carmines too
An easy fix to this would've been introducing them taking out weaker forces with ease before having them get trashed by elites like Theron guards. Locust forces were almost always superior to human forces, but onyx guards should've been shown taking out at least hordes of drones or wretches. Show us that even though they're out numbered, their coordination would mean the locust horde would always lose a good number of soldiers before taking them out.
I think a good way to go about this would be to treat them like Spartans in halo. Spartans weren't invincible, but they would inspire hope in marines when showing up to what felt like an unwinnable fight. We should have felt some relief seeing them, kind like "shit was hella tough, but now the big guns are here to help us even the odds!"
Tldr:
We needed to see them rise at least a little before they fell.
I agree, they were kinda confusing. Like they were pitched as this "off the book/doesn't exist" secret army but they would mention them on comms. The fact that they also didn't do much in both the games and the lore didn't help.
They really do. I’ve been saying this for years. For an “Elite” “best of the best” unit, to always get wiped out so quickly is crazy. Also, I’ve been playing gears 4 constantly and the fact that there’s no Onyx guard skin in the game saddens me 😪😪😪
Propaganda
bit annoying how every non main human character instantly dies in combat, humanity would never have lasted 17 years like that
I mean, Marcus Fenix got his ass beaten by a common grub in E-Day trailer.
Now imagine Onyx Guards facing waves of these in Halvo Bay.
@@Eizh that’s true however, remember in gears 3 when those 2 onyx guards got smoked defending Prescott by a couple of locusts? Prescott would ONLY have the best of the best Onyx guards with him especially if he only chose 2
@@Cocostinkypaws They die defending Prescott and Michaelson from the Lambent.
In fact Gears of War 2 shows you in Nexus that even the Locust are unable to confront the Lambent, in Rise of RAAM we see that the Locust really couldn't repel them, which is why they started E-Day.
The Onyx died defending Prescott and Michaelson from them and in the end not even Michaelson could survive and Prescott ended up mortally wounded, Captain Michaelson was one of the 5 most important people in Gears Pre-V-Day, next to Prescott, Hoffman, Adam and Trescu.
I always saw the Onyx guard as a hit squad or secret police to take out dissenters, this only proved more true with each absolute defeat.
makes senese for something as authoritarian as the cog keeping people in line is more important then battlefield performance
Bingo. I never did see Onyx Guard as special forces or anything like that Dom's commando unit fit that role. I always saw Onyx as kinda like military police unit.
The only time when the Onyx guard can prove to be better soldiers is in beast mode, when you reach the 12 wave and all enemys are Onyx!!
FACTS
What are you talking about? All you need is a serapede ya scrub.
and don’t forget prescot with the hammer of dawn
@@KingAbzTVChip, “A quick suggestion: final fantasy 16 enemy lore like those akashic.
Dale, “Turned infected enemies.”
(Laughs blood curdling screams in Beserker)
Need that Onyx guard Carmine ;)
I’d love an onyx guard game, where we’re playing as a unit it could be during the pendulum wars or during the locust wars. It wolf be interesting to see them being sent out as protection units or even some of the darker actions of the cog as well.
this would be fire. i wouldn’t even mind it as a story dlc like raam’s shadow
Lol wolf , would
They really do deserve better bc they are an elite task force and they didn’t get there without half of the people around them dying and if there in an elite task force they are highly trained gears
i agree 100% with this although i would also apply it to the UIR as well
hell i even want a game where you play as the locust, maybe against the lambent pre-emergence day
It’s too bad that we never got the Onyx Guard fps game. That would’ve been a great way to better flesh them out and show what they should be capable of. Gears of War and Halo are two great examples of IPs with a really rich setting that has all kinds of room for spin-offs/side stories, but the people currently in charge have a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes both settings great and are beyond incompetent. Too bad Microsoft has staffed 343 and the Coalition with people who are Chris Chan level regarded.
Exactly, I share the same thoughts. We have have a expand universe for both franchise like warhammer 40k but the studios dont have any interesnt only makig money.
Hopefully someone at the coalition watches this video and consider making an Onyx Guard Game. 💵
One of the Og concepts for Gears J. Was a 1st person game. Where we play as an Onyx guard squad, going on crucial missions during the locust war.
To me. These mythic soldiers, were as badass as the ODST troopers in Halo.
Given a locust equivalent. They should on par, with atleast Cyclops shook troopers. (Those locust, chainsaw pricks)
Instead, they are a bunch of chumps. Getting owned by weaker locust. And abused by subordinates.
And the fact, even Kid Jace was able to fair better against General Raam's squad. Than trained, armoured, elite soldiers, is a joke 😂
I mean, like Marcus Fenix himself being beated by a Drone in E-Day Trailer.
another thing the Onyx armor in G5 looks more like standard Gear armor just panted black compared to the original G3 that had a more form fitting and smooth design. Kinda like how iron man’s armor got more form fitting and compacted each movie but in reverse
Fun fact. After Gears 3, Cliffy B pitched the concept of a FPS game that you would play as the Onyx Guard going on various tactical missions behind enemy lines.
Onyx Guards definitely deserved better, I mean what did they even do for training? Knit sweaters and drink hot chocolate? Embarrassing.😂
They seem to be trying rectify this with Gears like Sofia (whom I really hope returns) and Keegan. Onyx commander Paul Drury is also confirmed to have survived the Locust War and still alive by Gears 4 & 5; hopefully we see him again later too.
As for their apparent and constant nerfing, well, I look at it this way: how many Theron and Palace Guards have Marcus and co. managed to kill on their own?
Seriously good video and I agree 100%. They had such sick armor but just got bitched every chance they got (Azura + halvo bay)
NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER, NO DEFEAT
I do believe that Gears of War universe deserve more context, backstory, at least another comic book or book about the militaristic history of the humans of Sera.
There are many books about the gears universe do a Google search.
Onyx guards remind me of the ODST from Halo
I always enjoyed the gears 3 and judgement versions of the onyx guard the new generation onyx guard the outfit lost its intimidation a bit.
Do we know where current Onyx guards are trained? And where they're located? Would be inside a new settlement, or at New Ephyra?
they were always my favorable unit i deff wish we had more of them. there badass and could really get into more of the lore like a squad going in the hallow for the first time. playing as them would be so cool instead of online just not the same. the gears 3 model is my fav skin though just bulky and mean looking
I know I say it in every video he makes that has an Onyx guard but it’s true that Sophia and Keegan are the only 2 Onyx guards to be useful and not die within 5 seconds of being on screen. But Maybe the onyx are a really weird Star Wars reference, the empire’s storm troopers sound terrifying and wreck everyone and everything but once they’re on screen they’re just canon fodder, maybe the Onyx guard (and Carmines) are a reference to that. Badass soldiers who are supposed to be the elites and wreck everyone but get wrecked themselves in under 5 minutes
Sophia wasn't a full on onyx guard. She was a cadet, and the onyx guard that mentioned that to her ended up dying moments later, so fuck him and the onyx guard😂😂
I once read that the creators of Gears of War considered a first person shooter game where you’d play as an onyx guard.
The worse enemy of the Onyx Guard is bad writting.
Sadly since the massive fiasco of the woke Gears 5 and the death of mutiple franchises i fear coalition wont do any better.
Only in NPC Wars (a channel were NPCs battles) we have trully see what the Onyx Guard were capable of. Taking down a Brumak and chainsaw mutiple locusts.
I always thought of the onyx guard as what their name states - guards. They're body guard for important commanders and politicians. Not commandos for covert ops or elite shock troops, but personal guards that extended to whatever mission they're tasked with by those they guard. Kind of like the SS, guards to the guy in charge but dubious when in the field.
I think these are veteran gears that get promoted for their skill and then let that combat effectiveness grow full from inaction, so while yes these guys are the elite on paper, active Gears that survive long enough get the veterancy to take them above what the onyx guard are capable of
I remember that onyx gaurds were the best assassins during the pendulum wars but got too cocky of their reputation that they couldn't adapt fghting the locust. Kinda bums me out cause i thought they died fighting the queen herself and her royal guards not freaking grunts. Delta ended up being the new onyx the way they were going. That said G3 onyx guard had the best voice and loomis was the biggest POS and might be worse than Myrrah. At least she cared about her people.
Another example of a unit or faction being underutilized and underdeveloped despite all this narrative bulid up and declarations the writiers portray them as.
Cliffy B had an idea of a FPS in the GOW universe from the perspective of an Onyx Guard.
Yea they deserved alot better like seriouly if they were gonna lose there mighty land to the Locust let it be known the Locust had to deal with a massive sense of loss at the same time to, how much it took to take a place like of that scale nothing but "THE BEST OF THE BEST" no "REGULAR COGS" but literally the "ELITE" the main solider would just be an elite rookie id anything. They need more love fr!
The Onice guards looks like the Military Police in Attack on Titan. They are supposed to be the best of the best soldiers to protect the king, but in reality they made an effort in the military academy to not have risks outside the walls.
Love that similarity, I love both iP’s so much!
Onyx guard confirmed to be absolute jobbers meant to put everyone over.
I went back to playing gears of war 1 since they fixed the servers. I think ima stay there 😂. I have 0 faith in the coalition. Everything ended at 3 for me I’m done. Gears 1 always was and always will be my favorite multiplayer wise so I’m happy
Wish there was an character that was Onyx not Sofia but a new character like asshole character that comes to respect you and becomes your friend ❤
This has been a huge thing for years that has bothered me. The onyx are supposed to be the best of the best, the best the cog has. But everytime they show up on screen, they get absolutely manhandled. Which makes it worse is that they look absolutely badass, but don't live up to their personality and looks. Hopefully in Gears 6 they redeem themselves (which I doubt).
They constantly get there ass’s kicked
If the Onex Gard are the elite? I would hate to see the worst!
Put them on insane in beast mode and they live up to their name
Your not onyx, yes I am no your not cadet
Megatron, “Onyx Guard? Should be more like Failure Elite.”
I think them sucking in 3 is justified because they were on a island not really fighting unlike the normal gears. In judgement I give them credit for holding a court room for a case that probably lasted a few hours while slowly getting wilted down.( love the scene where Lumen like "at least it's not to far a walk back into the fight") and them disappeared after they lose their academy makes sense. The general population probably thought they got wiped out after that and any remaining oynx guard probably got put on Azure where they became lazy guards. With maybe a few staying behind to actually live up to their name
3:22 That's their motto. :)
Lol But try to think about the Pendulum Wars too. I'm highly certain they've likely kicked a lot of UIR ass. And when Marcus said something about a "last war" after talking about the base that's a bunker for the Elite COG, I'm Marcus were referring to the Pendulum Wars. But standing against monsters, I know they deserve better. MUCH better actually. And Keegan is lucky an Onyx badass, and I hope there's those of other generations that can also stand out for Onyx Guards of any kind.
They literally could been to Gears games what ODST was for the Halo games. I would have been down to play Gears 3 Onyx.
While you are right about the onyx guards Raam was difficult anyways even Marcus and Dom had a very hard time with him due to how smart and strategic he was
Really cool video about the onyx keep ip the awesome content 🙌
Thank you 🫡
When writing my Gears book I wanted to heavily focus on the Onyx Guard and give them “justice”. They’re meant to be elite.
Definitely yes
Its sad that lore wise both from books and by even some of the main characters that they are meant to be be the best of the best.
They often were given the best armor,weapons and vehicles, yet the few times we encounter them they seemingly get killed off by a gameplay perspective a small or medium sized enemy forces.
We should get a game or dlc that focus on a squad of them proving they can actually live up to the mystery and hype that in universe surrounds them.
Nah, my favorite character in Gears 3, Judgment and Gears 5 were always the Onyx, i have always been Onyx, even in Gears Tactics my entire squad is full Onyx or Gears with black armor to pretend it.
But the Onyx don't deserve more, they are better off that way.
In Gears 3 they tell you that the Official Channels deny their existence, since they are a secret Elite group who acts under Prescott's Orders, the comics confirm this by being the ones who defended Azura from the attack of the entire Queen's Locust Elite, you can even look their corpses during Gears 3, they died barricading themselves against the Locust in the Main Building where they had Adam Fenix, 3 other dead squads at the entrance and apparently, Adam's personal guard dead at the outside of his room, in fact the Onyx guarding Adam Fenix are dead surrounded by Locust corpses, one of them decapitating a Locust before dying.
Then we see them again in RAAM's Shadow, where they are personally sent to confront RAAM and cause several problems in his path.
So its proven that they are the Elite of the COG by having faced only the strongest Locusts in the Saga.
But what happens in Gears of War Judgment? In Judgment they confirm the reason for their disappearance from the Official Channels, since the Academy where they trained was completely destroyed.
They even point out that all the Onyx who died were cadets, the lowest in the army, being part of the Onyx Guard doesn't mean automatically being an expert, they are trained and then sent on missions to gain experience, none of the Onyx who fought in the Academy had experience, Sofia herself had joined the Guard a few days before E-Day, this means that all the Onyx who died defending the Academy had barely enlisted and died directly facing Karn and his troops.
The same Onyx were sent as reinforcements to the Museum of Military Glory, where they were intercepted by Karn and annihilated.
In the Museum we can see a Squad of Onyx Guards who held off the Locust on their own until Kilo arrived and they even leave the Museum to confront Karn directly, where we see them die in combat.
That means the Onyx Guard really was the Elite of the army and that's why Loomis pushed them so hard, they had prestige and they had earned it in the Pendulum Wars, but the Locust were something new and not even the Guard could contain such an overwhelming force like the Locust.
Just look at the E-Day trailer, Marcus Fenix was beaten by a simple Drone, Marcus Fenix himself almost died facing a Common Grub, imagine then what the Onyx Guard faced when enduring waves of these, not only these, Karn used to send Boomers with Mulcher and Kantus during his Sieges, you can understand that all the time the Onyx Guard gave their best against the best, but no one sees it that way.
Tbh you can't judge them for losing against RAAM, just about every other COG squad would lose to if Marcus and crew weren't there💀
They gave the onyx guards the carmine family treatment for absolutely no reason
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I rock the Onyx Guard skin in Gears 3 and 5 cause i love their designs so much.
3:05 this all too common in sci-fi unfortunately.
They are the coruscant guard of the gears franchise all talk
I spin-off giving new the prospective of the Onyx Guards would be badass.
There was a concept of a gears of war FPS where you play as a squad of onyx guard but it never happened.
A game focus on the onyx guard during the pendulum war, would be interesting. I think it could show how great they were supposed to be. Maybe the locust war they were unable to adapt to the hollow creatures and caught off guard by random e-holes by the locust. This could be why they seem so incompetent. Still holding prestige from the pendulum war but in the locust war unable to overcome the challenge.
Onyx guards are worse in battle than: Benjamin Carmine, A rookie.
The onyx guard are like delta force. Everyone knows they exist we just don’t really know what missions and where they are deployed
While the commandos are like rangers quick and stealthy behind enemy lines.
Anyone know the lore for the Onyx guard neck tattoos? Can def. see something if you look
Pisses me off. Elite Military arm of the Coalitions High Command yet they never actually cause any significant victories or even influence the outcome of battles in the games or in lore.
Onyx gard need there own games and new onyx gard mane character like marcus fenix who lead there own teams like delta team but this mane character doesn't need helmet
Honestly thw ONYX guard REALLY NEED THE SPOTLIGHT and need to be taken more seriously. The MC basicly makes them look like cannon fodder. WHICH IS BULLSHIT. BESIDES THEIR THE BEST OF THE BEST A 4 PLAYER MUIT-PLAYER GAMEMODE CALLED "COVERT OPS" WHERE YOU OR UP TO 3 OTHER PLAYERS GO ON SECRET MISSIONS WITH MODIFIERS AND A EVAC AT THE END.
I've said a lot to friends who love Gears that the series is ripe with potential for prequel games, maybe an Onyx Guard focused one could work? Or reading some of the theories in this chat, as the war rages on and more gears die, they're slowly replaced with soliders who are more willing to keep quiet about the COGs secrets vs their combat abilities.
The only way to play those badasses is in Tactics were you suit up your operatives with the Onyx pieces of armour.
Onyx Guard: "We're the last line of defense! We're the best of the best!"
CoG Soldier: "Ha, look at little Captain Seria over here! Best of the best, Sir! It's cute".
In Gears Tactics they can get Onyx Guard gear. I know its not the same but at least we see guys in the dark armor winning that way.
As for the rest they seem to be in the same boat as the Anbu from Naruto. They're called the elite to make the enemies and important characters look better though they're not given any cool moments to showcase how good they are. Its fine to have them lose but like have them lose with piles of enemies around them to showcase why they're called the best of the best. Hope we get more characters that are from the Onyx Guard proper or something that do something important on screen.
Holy fuck imagine a Halo Wars style gears game with onyx instead of ODST’s, or a gears game depicting bigger battles with more AI or stealth missions with spec ops
Problem was the people leading the Coalition that brought the Onyx Guard to it's fate. Careless leadership (such as Loomis) killer countless due to egotism.
Seeing the dead Onyx on Azura was one thing. But seeing get destroyed in Judgement was just humiliating
No matter how cool they are the problem lies with comics/books and The Coalition official lore and fan lore. Something could be made but then you get fans that either love official lore or hate it and then there's the DMCA strike on fan lore.
Black ops elite unit or just your every day Joe high-ranking officer ?
- U choose
I know people hate Gears 5 and want the series to die while begging to the developers to save the series, like wut?
Anyways, imagine if D Carmine was an Onyx Guard.
The onyx guards do not deserve better. They're a bunch of punks in the game with fancy armor and an over glorified position.
You actually play as onyx guard in gears of war 5 hivebusters as keegan is an onyx guard
I mean hey, gears of war E-day is coming so keep hoping people!
I noticed years and years ago that the elite Onyx Guards had a filthy habit of losing every single combat engagement that they participated in. That always seemed ironic to me.
yes the onyx guards do deserve better and i love to play as onyx guard since gears of war 3
no retreat, no surrender, no defeat for the COG
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I look at the Onyx Guards the same as The Jedi Temple Guards. They look cool and in charge of guarding the temple but there are way better Jedi than them same with gears and the onyx guards
Onyx are like the political backed forces they are not technically part of the cog army
In defense of the onyx guard
1) has the onyx guards had a fair chance on screen? They faced top tier locust in unfair circumstances
2) they suffer from main character syndrome. This happens to literally any entertainment 😂. Main characters always wins.
Anyone else notice they are less elite units and more like military police
Onyx are the ANBU of the Gears universe.
Did most of the onyx get wiped out when they were under the command of colonel Ezra loomis?
I actually made a video similar to this on tt as a concept for a DLC or spinoff just about onyx guards
I wish they would make that a dlc but ik that it most likely will not
happen
one word yes when I first saw them in gears 3, and judgment iwas like ayyyyeeew yo they different from the other cog gears n they looked badass but I was sadly disappointed that they died so quickly I was like nvm but I hope they change that cause they deserve better
Im coming from an older video but why did the locust never use the Kryll to fight the lambent? Raam showed he had control over them so why didn't he just use the kryll to keep them at bay while they came up with a cure. The lambency also wasn't as mutated at that point, so I feel like it shouldn't have pushed them back as hard as it did.
this why I dont like gears of war after 3. I rather see a slight reboot where spot light is given where it should be do. Where carmines and onyx gaurds have bigger role/or get more acknowledgement.
why do sci-fi stories alwey do this where Elite units get absolutely destroyed all times they have to fight ? i'm kinda tired of this trope and no amount of writing how great the stormtrooper aims in lore if in everytime they are shown they can't hit a single shot. PLEASE sci-fi writers make elite units be what they are meant to be ELITE. when i write my story the elite units will have a lot of good moments
Yeah they deserve better like the grunts and the Farrell's in resistance 3
Hears is just like halo now they walked away from the military aspect and turned it into a kids playground
Definitely, they're supposed to be the elite, not floor decorations that make you ponder the tragedies of war or the fragility of life or some other bullshit
It seems they only showed up in the game to fight an unstoppable force. The only time they were good was in beast mode in gears 3.
which one do you like Halo, resistance, or gears of war and what chimera soldier do you like and chimera weapons video what is your opinion on it
They deserve redemption to show how strong they really are bc I’m sure we expected more from them.