Another few tips to add if that’s ok… a good laying off finish is always achieved when the decorator knows just how much to thin their paints by whether it be oil based or water. Also never start a painting job with a dry brush. Work the paint into the stock well before you start. As you do… few taps on the side of the kettle and the difference in the finish becomes obvious. I like the example with the oil and water and how they behave so different. Never thought of it like that. 👍
Thanks for taking your time to make these videos. They are fascinating and it's great to see someone go into so much detail about a subject that it could be easy to dismiss. One question from me, how do you lay shellac-based paints? They seem to have a watery consistency to me and dry very quickly, so I would assume that you would lay as if using a water based paint.
Can I ask a daft question please? I’m just a DIYer and have managed to get a fairly flat coat of water based paint with minimal brush strokes by brushing it out much thinner than you show in your video. It does mean putting on more coats though, is there any reason why doing it that way is a bad idea? Thanks.
Great video, total novice here, but about to start a house project, I hope you will not mind me asking, but when you laid the paint long ways along the grain, you could see lots of brush lines, but when you went left to right (shorter length) the brush lines seemed to disappear on camera and looked lots better when viewing the video.....is that just how the camera made it look? , but if you left it to dry, would the long ways laying off brush lines self level and disappear? I understand the technique, but hard for me as a novice to understand how it will look at the end of the job, would I get a better amateur/novice finish if I laid it off as described in your video and then go over it with a roller?
Thank you.. yes just a trick of the light.. unfortunately with water based you will always see brush marks.. unless you roll. It does depend on how soft the tips of the brush are.. sometimes pure bristle leave a better finish using water based..
@@PaintingandDecorating thank you for your reply and all the great videos, would you suggest is brush and roll my window ceils but still go length ways across, as shown in your video? Which roller would be best? I'm also going to paint some kitchen cabinets with a waterbased paint, some people suggest foam and others suggest mohair, I'm happy to spend the money on the good quality products, I have set up a trade account at Brewers?
You mentioned some people dampen down the surface prior to using water based paint. What are your thoughts on this? I'm using Dulux quick dry gloss on door frames, and the paint is dragging almost instantly. I'm using a synthetic brush which I have slightly dampened, and am attempting to work quickly as per your advice. My brush seems to be drying out with the fibres sticking together too. The surface has been under coated with no issues and is nicely flat.
It can all depend on your paint, how quickly it dries it's self.. cold room, wipe over with damp cloth, pre soak the surface. Which I guess it has to be on undercoat, I've never tried it.. usually close eyes paint fast, only look at it for runs, ignore the finish till it's dry.. then make a judgement to how it looks and your process.. cheers
@@PaintingandDecorating Thank you. I tried a damp cloth on the other side of the door frame and that helped. I'll try a smaller brush (1" rather than 2"), as the bristles look 'fuller' so hopefully hold more paint. I'll also aim to keep working quick like you suggest, and not expect perfection as with oil based gloss.
@@PaintingandDecorating Another question, do you have any videos on using Osmo door oil? I've got 6 to do, DIY, and so am thinking using a 2" natural bristle brush, and lying the door flat. The doors have a central glass panel and several horizontal channels machined in as part of the pattern. They are oak veneer.
I'm no pro but my technique is plenty of coats of water based primer undercoat because it dries fast and sands perfect. Then I finish with two coats of oil gloss. I can get a finish like automotive spray paint if I'm careful. Water based gloss as a final finish is no good for the reasons you describe.
Interesting video..I am just a DIYer so have tried a huge range of paints...While an oil based paint usually goes on so much better, the down side is they tend to yellow...if anybody can recommend an oil based paint that stays white and resists yellowing, I would love to know....
I've been trying to sort one of the window sills out, its taken 3 attempts so far. Paint drys so fast i just cant get it to go smooth. Its a Dulux water based paint. Does it help to water it down slightly which was the next thing i was going to try, paints a few years old so thought there was something wrong with it!
@@mbtoolreviews I'll give it sand later and try thinning it slightly. Third attempt made sure it was well stirred and didn't hang about getting it on there. Still had problem with deep brush marks in places... Other areas were fine.
@@PaintingandDecorating I'll give it a go...! Love the videos been watching for a while :) Got to attack the back door that's letting water in under some wet conditions. I think your expanding foam trick will be a good way to attempt to seal it up. Had the door replaced about 6 years ago as old one was shot and lots of water getting in. New door was good for about 15 months then then getting wet again in the corner. Been putting up with it ever since...
Some negativity on your post mate, don't quite get why they say those things, your videos a simplistic tutorial on paint behavior etc. Some folks don't quite get it.🤣 keep up the good work pal. Top man.
@@PaintingandDecorating indeed mate been in.the game so long I can't even remember I'm 56 now too, personally I enjoy watching old school at work, water or oil based 🤣🤣🤣
I noticed that when you were laying off across the grain it was completely SMOOTH, why then go and put brush marks afterwards with the grain?? In Australia we have a waterbased wettening agent called Flotrol, extends the drying time..an absolute must!!! Love your channel. Peace.
@@andrewverran3498 no I am working with the grain, it's just the light is to the side. The light is reflected off the lines, that's why it looks smooth the other way. Thanks
@@PaintingandDecorating no I didn't miss it, water based emulsion. Which is obviously different to water based satin/gloss etc. I do get your point though
You know and I know that if you left a finish like in this video you wouldn't be getting paid. I'd say this vid makes you look a poorer painter than you are. May be worth re doing so that it doesn't look so horrific.
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Add some floetrol to the water based paint for a better finish.
Thanks for that, you've encouraged me to go crack open the Brush Mate and give my Woosters and Hamiltons a bit of TLC 👍
Bang on I love oil based lay off with the grain nice long bristle brush get a glass like Finnish. You do explain the job well
Thank you..
Roll on and tip off with wider brush on bigger areas. Faster and less brush marks not having to work the paint to cover with a brush.
Another few tips to add if that’s ok… a good laying off finish is always achieved when the decorator knows just how much to thin their paints by whether it be oil based or water. Also never start a painting job with a dry brush. Work the paint into the stock well before you start. As you do… few taps on the side of the kettle and the difference in the finish becomes obvious. I like the example with the oil and water and how they behave so different. Never thought of it like that. 👍
Yes thanks for the add ons.. never script so do miss a little from time to time.. cheers mate 👍
Thanks for taking your time to make these videos. They are fascinating and it's great to see someone go into so much detail about a subject that it could be easy to dismiss.
One question from me, how do you lay shellac-based paints? They seem to have a watery consistency to me and dry very quickly, so I would assume that you would lay as if using a water based paint.
Thank you, you have to work fast with shellac paints. Couple of strokes and move, and don't go back over it.
Do you think floetrol helps to eliminate brush lines?
Can I ask a daft question please? I’m just a DIYer and have managed to get a fairly flat coat of water based paint with minimal brush strokes by brushing it out much thinner than you show in your video. It does mean putting on more coats though, is there any reason why doing it that way is a bad idea? Thanks.
I do say spreading your paint out helps.. usually two coats are done.. thanks
Great video, total novice here, but about to start a house project, I hope you will not mind me asking, but when you laid the paint long ways along the grain, you could see lots of brush lines, but when you went left to right (shorter length) the brush lines seemed to disappear on camera and looked lots better when viewing the video.....is that just how the camera made it look? , but if you left it to dry, would the long ways laying off brush lines self level and disappear? I understand the technique, but hard for me as a novice to understand how it will look at the end of the job, would I get a better amateur/novice finish if I laid it off as described in your video and then go over it with a roller?
Thank you.. yes just a trick of the light.. unfortunately with water based you will always see brush marks.. unless you roll. It does depend on how soft the tips of the brush are.. sometimes pure bristle leave a better finish using water based..
@@PaintingandDecorating thank you for your reply and all the great videos, would you suggest is brush and roll my window ceils but still go length ways across, as shown in your video? Which roller would be best? I'm also going to paint some kitchen cabinets with a waterbased paint, some people suggest foam and others suggest mohair, I'm happy to spend the money on the good quality products, I have set up a trade account at Brewers?
@@paulwilson1555 mohair are best...
@@PaintingandDecorating brilliant, thank you.
You mentioned some people dampen down the surface prior to using water based paint. What are your thoughts on this?
I'm using Dulux quick dry gloss on door frames, and the paint is dragging almost instantly. I'm using a synthetic brush which I have slightly dampened, and am attempting to work quickly as per your advice. My brush seems to be drying out with the fibres sticking together too. The surface has been under coated with no issues and is nicely flat.
It can all depend on your paint, how quickly it dries it's self.. cold room, wipe over with damp cloth, pre soak the surface. Which I guess it has to be on undercoat, I've never tried it.. usually close eyes paint fast, only look at it for runs, ignore the finish till it's dry.. then make a judgement to how it looks and your process.. cheers
@@PaintingandDecorating Thank you. I tried a damp cloth on the other side of the door frame and that helped. I'll try a smaller brush (1" rather than 2"), as the bristles look 'fuller' so hopefully hold more paint. I'll also aim to keep working quick like you suggest, and not expect perfection as with oil based gloss.
@@PaintingandDecorating Another question, do you have any videos on using Osmo door oil? I've got 6 to do, DIY, and so am thinking using a 2" natural bristle brush, and lying the door flat. The doors have a central glass panel and several horizontal channels machined in as part of the pattern. They are oak veneer.
I'm no pro but my technique is plenty of coats of water based primer undercoat because it dries fast and sands perfect. Then I finish with two coats of oil gloss. I can get a finish like automotive spray paint if I'm careful. Water based gloss as a final finish is no good for the reasons you describe.
Thanks 👍
Interesting video..I am just a DIYer so have tried a huge range of paints...While an oil based paint usually goes on so much better, the down side is they tend to yellow...if anybody can recommend an oil based paint that stays white and resists yellowing, I would love to know....
I've been trying to sort one of the window sills out, its taken 3 attempts so far. Paint drys so fast i just cant get it to go smooth. Its a Dulux water based paint.
Does it help to water it down slightly which was the next thing i was going to try, paints a few years old so thought there was something wrong with it!
I thin mine 5 percent first and even up to 10 percent and I work in a small section at a time.
Yes best to thin a little really does help.. they do sell additives.. thanks
@@mbtoolreviews I'll give it sand later and try thinning it slightly. Third attempt made sure it was well stirred and didn't hang about getting it on there. Still had problem with deep brush marks in places... Other areas were fine.
@@PaintingandDecorating I'll give it a go...! Love the videos been watching for a while :) Got to attack the back door that's letting water in under some wet conditions. I think your expanding foam trick will be a good way to attempt to seal it up. Had the door replaced about 6 years ago as old one was shot and lots of water getting in. New door was good for about 15 months then then getting wet again in the corner. Been putting up with it ever since...
@@gonzinigonz the other thing I have used is a 4 inch roller with a very fine nap but not a foam roller I have trouble with them on water based.
Would you recommend a paint conditioner like Floetrol?
Possible will be doing a lot more videos on things like this . Thanks
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Thank you
Some negativity on your post mate, don't quite get why they say those things, your videos a simplistic tutorial on paint behavior etc. Some folks don't quite get it.🤣 keep up the good work pal. Top man.
Thank you... Water of a ducks back as they say... But nice to know people appreciate it who understand..
@@PaintingandDecorating indeed mate been in.the game so long I can't even remember I'm 56 now too, personally I enjoy watching old school at work, water or oil based 🤣🤣🤣
I noticed that when you were laying off across the grain it was completely SMOOTH, why then go and put brush marks afterwards with the grain??
In Australia we have a waterbased wettening agent called Flotrol, extends the drying time..an absolute must!!!
Love your channel.
Peace.
Will have a look thank you
@@PaintingandDecorating thanks for the quick reply ...i edited my original question with another question..thank you.
@@andrewverran3498 no I am working with the grain, it's just the light is to the side. The light is reflected off the lines, that's why it looks smooth the other way. Thanks
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Thank you
So laying off is painting one way then wait and paint the other way, then lightly paint the first way again?
Basically yes with lighter strokes. Oil and water are very different, it's a lot more difficult using water based. Thanks
Cheers!
Thank you.
Aside from spraying... Next best is roller.
Same idea though, disperse evenly and lay off stipple. If done correctly, almost as good as spray
The mental gymnastics to justify oil are amazing 😂 just admit that you can’t use waterbased and are getting left behind 🦖
It's funny but no one mentioned I can't use it .. the video is about the poor nature of water based compared to oil .
GD painting admit you like a slap dash finish.
well said
Why are you using emulsion 😆
Unless you missed it.. I did say water based and it's about showing technique.. 😁
@@PaintingandDecorating no I didn't miss it, water based emulsion. Which is obviously different to water based satin/gloss etc. I do get your point though
@@krisrickson853 every day's a school day?
@@jaycee8689 certainly is
trump 2024 to get the oil going for us older painters,lolll
You know and I know that if you left a finish like in this video you wouldn't be getting paid. I'd say this vid makes you look a poorer painter than you are. May be worth re doing so that it doesn't look so horrific.
think you mist the point..
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Thank you