That sudden feeling when Ocelot, the guy always behind the scenes, the guy always on the phone with the greater threat, the weasel of the entire series, is one of the most genuinely good characters in the series.
+Boltizar49 When you think about it, this is the first time ever that we actually get to see the real Ocelot, since this is the only game where he isn't lying or pretending to be something he's not.
Totally. He always had Big Boss' interests at heart, even when he was helping Liquid Snake with Shadow Moses and trying to revive Big Boss again in MGS4. (Idk why Liquid wouldn't still be holding a grudge against Ocelot after the Kingdom of the Flies, though tbh) Ocelot idolized him. Everything he did amounted to benefiting him in some way, shape or form, even when Kaz felt scorned and helps the Cipher-backed son, Solid Snake, (unwittingly by Snake and why he just wanted to be left alone).
+Sanguiluna Technically, he is lying (or at least being deceptive) because if the Phantom would have done something to jeopardize the safety of the real Boss, he wouldn't hesitate to put him down in a heartbeat.
+Sanguiluna mgs3 he was acting like himself he was just really cocky, mgs5 yes I agree, mgs1 acted like himself, mgs2/4 he pretended to be liquid. how is this the ONLY game where Ocelot acts like himself.
Harry Banova In every game other than MGS5, Ocelot is playing a role. In MGS1, he played the role of a sadistic torture-loving FOXHOUND interrogation specialist for Liquid. In MGS2 he played the role of a lying, manipulative Patriot spy pretending to work for Solidus while being possessed by Liquid. In MGS3 he played the role of a cocky KGB spy pretending to be a GRU officer. In MGS4 he played the role of Liquid's doppleganger. In MGS5, he's not playing any role. He's not behaving like a sociopathic torturer, or an arrogant spy. He's behaving like ADAMSKA.
Big Boss in 1984: -We can change the world, and with it, the future. Big Boss in 2014: -It´s not about changing the world, it´s about doing our best to leave the world the way it is.
+metamofia To me the prologue was already a dead giveaway. idk it just seemed logical that BB in the game wasn't the real one because of the "we need to change your appearance" thing with the doctor.
+metamofia +Totchi85 Yes, I too got the sensation of something wrong when they asked me to create an avatar. Another giveaway tho was in the lab where Huey is and you face the AI and it asks if its really snake.
When Venom punches the mirror, you can see the Outer Heaven logo on the door behind him. So, when he walks through the fog, he's basically walking to his own death.
+Kamille Namae Before this, I assumed someone carried him out beforehand or just BS excuse to have him in the next game. Even Big Boss isn't awesome enough to survive a nuke. I forget if it was ever explained how BigBoss escaped from OuterHeaven in it's sequel MG2 Solid Snake. Looking back now, it clearly does appear that Solid Snake kills (fake)BigBoss as his body does disappear similar how when you kill other enemies. Although it plugs up one plothole, another takes it's place. One plothole is that no one mentioned this... ever... not even when BigBoss confronted SolidSnake in MGS4. In fact everyone said it as if it was one person all along. For example in MGS4 when Big Boss said "You erased me two times before. Today... will mark the third ". I suppose a counter argument in the MGS5 ending with "Were both Big Boss", "He's the two of us together" and "I am you, and you are me"... I just fine it BS. Don't you think he'd tell Solid Snake on his deathbed? The fact that we've never heard about it till this game.
+One Eye indeed. I think that is what made it interesting and unexpected. At least that is one less plot hole compared to the plotholes so big, you can drive an Arsenal gear through :)
+Shadowff61337 Actually, the end states that clearly about Big Boss quote in MGS4, the whole 'Kill me thrice' thing. Solid Kills the Phantom in MG1(1st), and then Solid kills the Real Big Boss in MG2 (2nd) but at the end of MetalGear2, the patriots revive big boss and conceal his comatose body, and then Old Snake really kills 'Big Boss' a 3rd time in MGS4, hence leading to Big Boss' 'kill me thrice' quote. FUCKING PHANTOM.
I think people haven't really realized that what Hideo Kojima is trying to state here is the true identity of the Big Boss 'phantom' is actually you yourself: the player of the game. What the tape is trying to explain is that Big Boss and the player of the game are one. But now it is time for Big Boss to depart and for the player of the game to continue the legend: The Metal Gear Series. Mind Blown! Genius Kojima is genius. Lols.
+Badiuzzaman Arsani I see MGS2 flashbacks: People hating Kojima for a twist they don't fucking get. Of course 10 years later we'll all be praising this for being the best 4th wall-break in gaming history. Let's face it, Kojima is a fucking genius...
+Hound Fox It Doesn't excuse that fact that they cut so much story content from the game and the game randomly ends halfway through chapter 2. This isn't a conclusion at all.
+TheGhostJRI listen to the truth tapes to get a full picture. i think this is all thanks to some "fans" who complains that mgs series has too many cutscenes before. we are the victims all right.
+Hound Fox also to notify by putting the player of the game as the phantom big boss for mg1 it means that having solid snake kills him symbolise the transition of the player from becoming the phantom big boss to becoming solid snake. and also kojima reminds us many times in mgs series especially mgs 4 that "Big Boss" may merely be a title, a symbol or an icon. it does not have to be a specific person though. something like the S3 plan from mgs2 the solid snake simulation program where anyone can be shaped into snake like the events in Shadow Moses.
+bot 12345 You see, after this "true ending, when Venom realize that hes medic," we have second part of timeline. It starts from 1984 and information about killing Phantom is in 1995 line. :-)
Notice the logo changes to the Outer Heaven logo to show time passing. When Venom walks into the smoke he's walking to fight Solid Snake (and to his death). The back of the cassette says 'operation intrude n313' which was the name of the mission in the original Metal Gear game. Although i'm not 100% happy with the ending its kinda cool how they went full circle.
yeah i agree with you , but still it would have been nice to see how things started to turn out for BB and Venom Snake and also Solid and Liquid, a little bit of insight in form of some cutscenes. But the ending itself was astonishingly well made. Just Some more info on some things would have been aprecciated. (Or some 3 hour long ending cutscene like in MGS4 hehe]
Kazuhira Benedict Miller. The most fiddled person of the 20th century. For real though. All his dreams for a private PF and aspirations to become the leader of fast food with "Kazuhira's Burgers" just went down the toilet. And he lost his leg and arm. And he was killed by Ocelot.. Goddamn
+MrRavenXavier damn it, you already took my fan fiction idea. How am I suppose to be the next Eli James, Fifty Shades of Grey? Maybe some Miller x Ocelot fic to pay the bills, Big Boss and Big Boss *cough* romantic *cough* vacation.
What sucks the scene of boss riding off on the bike should of just been the end of Ground Zeroes not the actually phantom pain lol man. so much wasted potential
I actually like this ending because it fills in the gaps. This Big Boss we play as in Phantom Pain is the one Solid Snake kills in MGS. This explains why Big Boss seemingly comes back to life in MGS2 when in actuality the real Big Boss was still out there all along, only to return once again to see Solid Snake at the end of MGS4
+ProtecSirius Way off. Phantom Pain itself explicitly states that Venom Snake is killed in MG1 and that Big Boss himself is killed in MG2, only to be revived later.
Jake Harries Yeah, I know that. Venom Snake was killed in MG1. The real Big Boss, who has no prosthetics, is killed in MG2. The Patriots take his corpse and later bring him back to life using parts of Solidus. Phantom Pain explains all of this to you in text.
If you enjoyed the vid make sure to like, comment and share. For more info on why this is the "true ending" and how you get it look at the description. I also made sure to just include the parts of the intro that are different here.
+fauzan alkautsar Its not his retirement. If you've played the original two Metal Gear Games before the shadow moses incident you play as Solid Snake and defeat Big Boss twice. originally it didn't make sense on how you kill him and then he's back and you kill him again. Basically the Big Boss (Venom Snake) we play is a distraction for the real Big Boss (Naked Snake). Venom builds Zanzibar Land while Naked builds Outer Heaven. After naked gets burned the patriots take his body and he's put in a coma by zero and then after that the events of the Shadow Moses commences and the rest of the Solid Snake series.
Si basically, theyre saying that there's nit only TWO big bosses but instead, there's alot of Big Boss, each and every one who took his place IS, in fact, HIS PHANTOM - all the players who's playing the part of Big Boss' phantom are Big Boss' in their own form, hence the first person view and all the mirror reflection scenes (showing that the player looks like the Phantom and Big Boss). In-game, the Phantom is ther medic. IRL, it's all of us who will eventually get a hold of that controller and play the part of the phantom. That, in its self, should be the greatest breaking the 4th wall in gaming history. Konami will never get their hands on a game developer like Hideo Kojima ever again.
+Super Imposter ya but people are still pissed if because you were suppose to see big boss turning dark but instead all you got of him is a bike ride away
I personally feel that story in itself is okay, and its accepted that Ishmael has role in it. But, this isn't a movie or a book, we are playing a game by paying earned money while spending time and effort into things we believed in. In the end, we get the opposite and I cannot accept it. All that time and effort for what.
11:50 This isn't "real" Big Boss talking to "fake" Big Boss. This is Big Boss/Kojima talking to YOU, the player. YOU built Mother Base in both PW and TPP, YOU completed all those missions and tough challenges. YOU wrote your own history. The story and legend is yours. Remember, Big Boss isn't a character persay. Big Boss is just a title, a title that Kojima rewarded us with. That "thank you my friend" isn't from Big Boss, but from Kojima himself thanking us for enjoying his games. All this hate and confusion about the ending reminds me of MGS2's controversy back in the day, only now people grew up and finally realizied what the message about that game was.
This ending is secretly brilliant because it's a commentary on how we as players place ourselves in the role of the hero. That ending line where snake is telling the medic he's Big Boss, that's Kojima telling us we're snake, we've always been snake. It's awesome!
Here's the deal: in the game universe there is a character that thinks he is big boss and up until you see this scene WE (the player) have thought WE were big boss. To my mind this is the most creative and interesting narrative told since the twist at the end of 6th sense. It's a story that breaks the 5th wall and legitimately incorporates the player into the storyline in a way that makes sense in the MGS universe that has already been established. This, for me, IS the story arch of MGSV and I hope it will go down in history as the first time a story like this has been told. You just can't tell this story in any other medium. The fact that the rest of story is "hidden" in the cassette tapes is the way I think games should be telling stories. The medium needs to figure out what it can offer story telling that no other medium can, and by leaving the story there free for the player to explore but doesn't thrust it on them like a movie would. The open world gives you plenty of time to listen to the cassette tapes while you are scoping out an area or running from side-op to side-op. This is an absolute masterpiece and I hope no one watches this video unless they've first played through the game. The experience is just unbelievable.
+Nathanael Walsh this is probably the best explanation of what this game means to the player and for all the people who have stuck with the story kojima set out to make. Well said my friend
Well I'm actually not one of the 'somebody'... I was excited the day Kojima announced Kiefer will voice Big Boss but making David Hayter voice the Big Boss will be a great reason, and explanation, why Venom Snake was not the real Big Boss, hence the Voice change.
***** Well I was thinking that Kiefer will voice Ishmael and after revealing Ishmael as the real Big Boss, he will be now voiced as David Hayter. The voice switch is actually for the face acting purposes since David Hayter is not good with face acting at all. Nah, David voiced a young Big Boss back in MGS3...
+The Chairman Even with extensive gene therapy we can't make a human turn into rocks, teleport, fire electricity out of their skin, walk on fire. Oh wait. "pretty dumb plot twist" Lol, you just deem pretty dumb, it's not even unrealistic in the MGS Lore.
+theZombieBub vocal cord scarifcation and surgery, in a world where they can develop a fully functional robot arm and bipedal mechs something like that wouldn't be too out there
I think Sutherland and Hayter, are both amazing. Although David became the voice of Snake for a while, Sutherland made a good job finishing what David started.
Hideo for me fucked up for that. It would’ve been better if he kept both of them and screw around with us by having their voices be as close as possible. It is so that the sound alike yet still different. Wasted opportunity.
@@thefallenjedi66 yeah now that I finished Cyberpunk 2077, there would be a bigger and much more explosive Big Boss if they took David and Kiefer together. Like, for GZ they could keep David, and by TPP they could have David voice the original Big Boss. I hope I made sense hehe
At first, that's what I felt too. But I understood that Kojima offered us, with this last MGS, that it was "us", the players, the fans, that he wanted to celebrate. It's a tribute to his community of fans. He made us all "Big Boss". It's his way of thanking us, but also saying goodbye, and closing the great story of MGS. That's why he said "I'm Big Boss, and you are too. This story, this Legend, its ours... Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you my friend". Don't you see now ? Kojima made this last MGS for us. Don't be mad, and listen the last ending theme like it was your own... :)
@duncanmacleod7287 I'm keeping in mind that Kojima still had some more content planned, but Konami just couldn't let him finish the game. The game was released in the state it was. So, you can hold some to Kojima all you want, but Konami in terms of the executives just was no longer interested in taking chances with their video game division. I still put most of the blame on Konami more than Kojima. At least he and his development team cared. Why'd you think some people who did Metal Gear Survive left a hidden message? They were peeved off at their bosses at Konami as well. There's no telling if we would have gotten what we wanted if Konami wasn't being just terrible. Sorry man, but the executives at Konami are still to blame for the state of MGSV. They are the real reason why the game wasn't at its best. At least the games runs well compared to some games that with devs that wishes they had what MGSV and other games had.
@@leon4000 Dude, $80 million was spent on the game's development and was in development for 4-5 years. That's incredibly generous in the game dev world, especially so considering Konami! They are money grubbing assholes, but Kojima is not innocent at all, he made ALOT of bad design decisions that led to the game we got today. It's too easy to point at Konami as the evil corporation but it's not as black and white as that. Fairly, had Konami given it the RDR2 treatment then just maybe it would have been as legendary of a game as it should have. But that's quite a risky venture to undertake and extremely rare, but Rockstar/Take Two Interactive has a lot more money than Konami
+Francisco Reyes ocelot is a tactical instructor, if (after the coma) venom snake believed to have forgotten russian, could have been the same for cqc, so in that week he got to learn it. a more suitable question then would be "how did meedic got so big in just a week of training after the coma?" Answer ...because videogames.
I red somewhere that its a similar hypnotic technique that ocelot used to condition himself to become liquid snake to be able to beat solid in mgs4. This time he used it to medic in order to become big boss.
I like how this ending pretty much divided the entire Metal gear fanbase into 2. You can either be in Ocelot's side ( Praise Kojima Follow his last teaching, he knows what he was doing and this was all well done and thought out) or you can be in Kaz's side ( Go to hell Kojima for leaving us in a shitty state with a fake game that isn't the real deal like the others. I'm glad you're gone, we'll make this fake game better without you. We will be fine without you.) we're basically Ocelot and Kaz. lol
omg listen to this, bare with me, big boss died in 2014, hideo kojima leaves konami in 2014, then miller asks 'what was it all for?' (refering to i think mgsv's lack luster story to close the mgs circle)'If the boss has some plan what is it...?' (referring to outraged fans who still to this day believe the rest of the game is coming and beginning to doubt there precious kojima) Then ocelot replies with 'the real big boss is working seperately from us, to create his new nation' (referring to the new kojima productions). Then while thinking about the hole of metal gear's entirety, it is kojimas career but with guns added
You know I thought it was weird the whole game has this under tone of "oh god get me out of this bureaucratic nightmare" but now suddenly it makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.
I can understand why people were either, disappointed or skeptical of this ending. But the more I see it and think about it. The more genius it truly becomes. It cover's a major plot hole in MGS2 and not only did we have a giant impact on this game. But the entire series. We are Big Boss
@@nicholastremoulis1757 no I don't think so, he just has that robotic/bionic arm for his left arm. Also just noticed its been 3 years so doubt you'd still see this 💀 have a nice day if you do
+David Hilarious What I dont get is that how the fuck is Venom Snake so good. He took down quiet in sniping battle and subdue her in hand to hand combat. His CQC is really good. And he manage to beat the skulls and a freaking METAL GEAR. He is not even a CLONE! It's like he is as good as Big Boss or Solid Snake. I call Bullshit
joke lang Because Venom is YOU in every sense. Whatever Venom did in the game...it was through you. Thats the message Kojima was implying to us. 'I am Big Boss, you are too."
the most obscure ending in a metal gear solid game and for me it is the Best ending in the series . that mirror breaking is both enigmatic and Powerful . the attention to details is phenomenal ( MSX 2 being discontinued in 1995 for example ) . this Game is a masterpiece despite all the cited flaws
At 13:16 On the other side of the tape wrote "Operation Intrude N313", which is the mission that leads to the first solid snake game. At the beginning of the game, Solid Snake got a radio call from the "Big Boss" - "Big Boss speaking, Operation Intrude N313...." It draws back memories...good old times.
This ending is so much better if you have the mentality that your not playing as the medic but as yourselfs, and that message is from kojima to us and not BB to his fake impersionator
I actually like this ending. Considering this is Kojima's capper, he gave the players a fond farewell. And with the appearance of the MSX keyboard, it all comes full circle. It even expands on a point he tried to make with MGS2: we're not Snake. But we're not wussy little Raiden either. We're Big Boss.
So the fake big boss (the player) is medic and in the hospital scene at the beginning it was medic getting surgery to look and act like big boss, while the real big boss left. Fake big boss is who u play as in the whole game and from the scene at the end where the real big boss gets on the bike is when real big boss is going to go into hiding then the real big boss gets plastic surgery to look completely different and go in hiding and leaves the tape for fake big boss to know the truth and know his instructions, which is why the tape was saying "from here on out, ur big boss" Then real big boss hides and fake big boss gets killed by solid snake in the original metal gear and then the real big boss comes back. Am I correct?
"Given the right situation, the right story, anyone can be shaped into Snake!" Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of liberty. This is the quote that defines MGS V The Phantom Pain.
Around 6:51 when big boss is given the pass port; do you remember during MGS1 after defeating psycho mantis Meryl ask if snake had a family. His response that no but he was raised by many people. What if by chance that Big Boss under his fake passport went back to America, changed his face and helped raise his son David, Solid Snake?
Holy shit. I just realized the soldier from the beginning of peace walker who calls bb, vic boss, could be this medic boss. Go watch the opening sequence of pw. It would kinda make the whole v has come to thing make sense amongst other things. If this is what kojima intended, then bravo sir, you are a masterful storyteller.
no its gotta be the first soldier that comes up to big boss during the first comic style scene. the pieces all fit, the message from vic boss on the back of the photo, the fact that soldier said to bb in pw "but doesnt one triumph or die?" and kaz mentions triumph and death after the first mission, the pw soldier then calls bb, vic boss.
I think youre right because I rewatched the beginning scene and u here the idroid lady say "V has come to" and the doctor says something like "its been 2 weeks since you've come to"
Or maybe "V has come to" reffers to de 5th Snake has come to life, remember we have Naked, Solid, Liquid, Solidus and then Venom would be the fifth one aka "V"
I like how this establishes (or reinforces,if you look at if differently) the idea of "Big Boss" only being a title.Naked Snake & the Medic (Which represents the players) shows that anyone can take on the title of Big Boss if they are made to believe so. Also,I'm pretty sure this serves as like a prototype test for what Raiden when through during MGS 2 & Ocelot being brainwashed into Liquid.
+Michael Nam The chords actually sound an awful lot like Metal Gear Rising: Revengance' menu music, which, no doubt, is not a coincidence (since both games have a theme of revenge)
Sig Fried No the medic from Ground Zero was Phantom Big Boss while the real Big Boss was on motorcycle shown in the true ending. Phantom Big Boss has Shrapnel on his forehead and a Bionic Arm while real Big Boss don't and this is a prequel to Metal Gear Solid where Solid Snake killed Venom Snake.
The conversation between Kaz and Ocelot at the end is incredibly dark. The whole premise that they let fate run its course and potentially turn out to be enemies is proof of their dedication to their cause. Super bummed about how this ended though. Would like to see a DLC or added content where we get to see Outer Heaven or see things from the real Big Boss's perspective in a similar timeline.
What i find chilling about this ending is that whenever Venom Snake punches the mirror and starts walking into the fog, you can hear Solid Snake fighting in the background. It really makes this ending even more crazy!
Anyone know what the music is between 7:20 and 8:33?Personally one of the best cut scenes I have seen, primarily due to the bike.That's a Triumph Bonneville by the way. Badass Bike for a Badass Guy.
Maybe its a dumb question but I still didn't get in which point Big Boss begins to be an antagonist in metal gear series. After MGS3, BB will fight all this time against Zero who is the actuall main enemy in series so why Big Boss is considered to be as a "bad guy" ?
+Arthur's Little World The game doesn't really show it, besides the fact he basically threw all the trouble onto Venom(you) while he went undercover against Cipher. The Big Boss throughout the series was suppose to be a well intentioned extremist that wanted a world that would always need soldiers. This ideal had good intentions with clearly bad results. Instead the game showed the story of a man who was made to continue big bosses legacy while he was gone. So... yeah, this game does almost nothing to show a story of a mans downfall to a monster. Although, I have to say, this story itself is interesting. Venom snake kept the best morals of big boss (Spares his enemies, saves children, ironically doesn't want much revenge). Really, I say they may have made the trailers so much about revenge to give us a different perception. Venom snake was a character that stood above the evil of revenge. He spared Huey, even after all the horrible things he's done. The funeral in the game made it look like it was a way to show him not letting go of the anger of being wronged. Instead, it was a memorial to a tragedy that he wanted to make right. Venom snake throughout the game never was actually an avatar of revenge. Kaz was mostly the one being so petty.
Because you really weren't. Venom snake isn't truly Ahab, he's Ishmael, caught in a mans(big boss) lust for vengeance. The gameplay enables us to make our own version of Venom snake, leaving his fate as the only determinant thing about him. He's killed by Solid Snake eventually, why he decided to fight snake is up to our imagination.
Being a huge fan of Kojima's Metal Gear series and having played and beaten all of the games in he main series, I have absolutely zero problem with this 'twist'. It perfectly explains how Big Boss survived the Outer Heaven incident and neatly connects to the next game chronologically in the series, Metal Gear. What I'd like to see, and I realize that we'll likely never get it, are current gen remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake or maybe a new Metal Gear game that features Solid Snake that takes place between MG and MG2 during his time with FOXHOUND. I'd love an opportunity to play as Snake one last time in his prime. We haven't gotten to play as Solid Snake in his prime since the Tanker section of MGS 2. Thats a long time.
I can’t stress how much I just LOVE the scene at 7:25. The upwards shot showing how small they are compared to the world yet how much power and influence they have over it. The quiet, relaxed scene of the two biggest antagonists of the series having a passive bonding moment. Not to mention that this is the last time these two characters ever see each other, the two figurative children of The Boss sharing a last moment before they kick off the entire Metal Gear series. It both chills my spine and warms my heart, Metal Gear Solid has had such an effect over video game storytelling AND my heart and I doubt I will ever be able to forget the stories of Solid Snake, Big Boss and Revolver Ocelot. Thank you, to absolutely everyone who has ever worked to make the Metal Gear franchise the best it can be.
Man all these people pissed about this ending and yet they're missing two important messeges 1. WE took the part of Big Boss. Which is freaking cool to put the series to an end 2. Aside of that, this is still part of the Metal Gear Solid storyline. It fills in some plot holes and questions. Sure, now you realized you're not playing as Jack, but it's still part of Kojima's story. It seems the only people who don't understand this game's ending never played the earlier Metal Gear games. (Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake)
Your first point is accurate, but we've already been there with MGS2. The avatar twist in 5 is basically the dog tag thing from 2. The specifics are different, but its the same basic concept, which is why its bummed people out.
+salamagogo I like everything about this ending except for the fact that it was the medic they chose to replace him. A medic? Seems a bit odd for MSF's "best soldier" to be a medic. What they should have done was, when Miller got into the chopper at the end of Ground Zeroes, their "best soldier" hopped on with him. That would make way more sense and would be much more acceptable.
+huskiesghost Not only that but it explains how big boss was able to survive being burnt alive in metal gear 2. The reason is that the big boss that got burnt alive was not the real big boss but the body double from phantom pain
One thing I noticed... at the end, after he plays the other side of the tape, the logo on the door switches from "Diamond Dogs" to the Outer Heaven Logo.
Many have raised numerous questions about this ending. However my real question is... how does Ishmael/Big Boss grow a full beard in just 3 hours? Nanomachines, of course.
so... as long as you believe that you are big boss, you can become the ultimate soldier? then why are the genes so important? that would make the genes and the clones irrelevant, right?
+gatts13 That's kind of the whole point in this series; genes don't mean shit. That's why in the original MGS, the inferior clone (Solid Snake) ends up defeating the dominant clone (Liquid), because like Naomi says in the epilogue, genes don't define us; we define ourselves through our choices and actions.
+Sanguiluna i know what MGS (PSone) is about, but what i'm trying to say is that, i find that this diminish the legend of big boss, since a medic who is a no name, can become a master in CQC, Solo Infiltrations, can beat skull squads, metal gears, just because he believes he is big boss. this is just a cop out from kojima to not show Big Boss becoming a villan
but thats after the facts, big boss said that he didn't expect the medic to survive. and i say that this diminishes the legend of big boss, because a medic can do everything just as good as big boss
+gatts13 This is the way i see it: You say that it diminishes his legend because a simple medic can do everything as good as Big Boss, but you're forgetting that that medic is in fact the player. Now tell me: when you play the game, can YOU do every single mission without raising any alarm, without getting spotted even once, without killing anyone, taking no damage at all, and in the shortest amount of time possible? The answer is you can, but you have to be just as good as Big Boss.
For those wondering what that last tape was that was making the fax noise, venom was putting the original metal gear game from the msx computer into a bit decoder so the msx computer on the desk can load up the game.
+Ahmad Kalban Me too, I had a commodore 64 which used in a similar way!! This was done to signify that venom is the player going to play the first MG after this :D
Lemme correct: The medic that was seen in ending of GZ saved Big Boss from death, but he got a unicorn-like shrapnel. 9 years later, the medic had a Big Boss-like face. Because the real one wanted to expand his legend. So he started working for his "Outer Heaven" seperately from them. And that underground nuclear facility in Northeast South Africa.... that was turned into a fortified military base by the name of the same thing. Medic (Venom Snake/now known as "Big Boss") commandered its military forces. And he was killed on 8th August( my fiction day) of 1995 by Solid Snake when real BB commandering FOXHOUND. By the way: Ishmael is the real one when Snake is MSF Medic.
I don't think so. He (the real one) is working seperately from them, including "Cipher". He just focused on Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. Big Boss who died in Outer Heaven was none other than the MSF Medic/Venom Snake.
It's probably a mask covered in bandages. Kojima himself wore that mask once, only the mouth bit was free so it looks convincing while talking. Since this is Metal Gear the mask is just really well made and the fake mouth just moves while talking.
Anyone notice that in the beginning of the final scene where you hear Big Boss talk to you the logo on the door behind you is the Diamond Dogs logo? Check the logo again during the flash that reveals it at 14:06. I guess you know what that is...!
Do you remember when Kojima was asked by Geoff Keighely: "Who's the third guy in that room? From whose perspective are we seeing the scene?" and Kojima went like "Uhm, that's simply myself..." Now I get yoy, Kojima-sensei ;)
Vishnu Kamal Crap. Damn your luck. I playedd it again, though, to see the cutscenes again. It's easier to gain everything again the second time. You should play the others. MGS3 is my personal favorite, with MGS1 as my second, MGS2 third, then Peace Walker and last MGS4.
in 13:46, what does the blood face and the longer shrapnel face indicates? as he looked like that in several occasions during the game. it has also appeared in the trailers so I wonder what is Kojima referring to by this, I would appreciate any explanation.
Guys look close to his reflection at 13:43 in the mirror he looks evil with the horn and all that blood on his face, which is what he saw in the mirror ( big boss) and thats why he decides to hit the mirror coz he saw big boss the evil one with the blood and the horn, then in 13:58 when you look close again the reflection of his bionic arm its a real arm with a glove so hes actually hitting big boss he was betrayed by him, then once again in 14:06 it shows he was in outer heaven in the bottom left of the mirrors reflection which is when outer heaven fell under the hands of solid snake who was first sent by big boss, finally his reflection in the mirror isnt evil anymore coz now he is looking at himself giving up to his death. He was good big boss is the one who was evil and he took this guy's admiration and loyalty for granted!
Here's a theory: 9 years ago, the MSF base was destroyed along with most of its members. But in reality, they were actually teleported to another dimension, where the events of Metal Gear Survive happened. The MSF are now known as the Charon Corps. By the way, the timeline has been retconed.
He was made to believe he had memory loss and while traveling to Afghanistan ocelot "fills him in" and does therapy on his body. they used mental suggestion and therapy to mold him. kinda like how ocelot was turned into liquid.
+Al Adeeb He was supposedly Big Boss's best soldier and was always almost as good as good as him. It's not that much of a stretch to say that he could become as good as Big Boss over time.
+Al Adeeb Thats the coolest part. The phantom is YOU. You are playing as Big Boss. You shape the legend that he is. All the CQC, the headshots and the infiltration...were done by YOU. YOU are Big Boss.
They intended to one day, upon the successful takedown of The Patriots and Big Boss’ vision for a new nation being sought through, but it unfortunately never went the way either of them thought it would. That, and on top of that, after making sure the real Big Boss was successfully off the grid, Ocelot hypnotized himself to believe that the Phantom Boss was the real boss . So that “We’ll meet again.” Is supposed to be ironic. And that’s why all Ocelot says is “Right.”
Just imagine if the final bossfight in the Phantom Pain was with young Solid Snake. It would have been like returning to the same battle from your NES childhood but fighting on an opposite side. OMG!
This creates even more questions for me. Firstly was the medic the same age as big boss cause changing the face wouldn't change his age. They could have had David Hayter voice the real big boss or else why does the phantom sound exactly the same as big boss.
I know that's my exact point, I felt Big Boss getting out of MG1 made him more of a bad ass. Overall the game play has to be the best in years but story wise very disappointed.
In the end, with all the shooting and the fact that the emblem changes on the door, I think that is the moment Solid Snake is right at Venom's doorstep, not in Diamond Dogs anymore, but in outer heaven.
+Maddix Roberts Here's one of the best (if not the best) comments on this case written by Confused Demon Productions. Hope it'll enlighten you good. "ok, so, having played this, i know what this ending means and signifies. It's not simply saying "You play as the medic" because that's a shallow way to look at it. At the beginning, we create our perfect avatar, a representation of ourself, we even put our own name and DOB in it. WE, the players, are the medic - WE are venom snake. Now, what is big boss? It isnt a person - it's a title. A legacy. Ok, so we don't play as Jack, the original big boss - but we DO play as big boss - Jack hands us the PLAYER that title - this is Kojima's final MGS game, and, as a farewell present, he is giving US the title of Big Boss. That's why Jack says thank you. It's subtle, but it's from Kojima. Jack says that the medic was his his most trusted lieutenant - why was he? What's so special about him? It's because we've known Jack since his very first mission. That's why Venom Snake has Jacks memories - it's because we were there WITH Jack. That's also how he has all his same abilities. It's the biggest fourth wall break in gaming history - It's not a fuck you to fans - it's a thank you. It also fits with the canon too - it explains how Big Boss survived MG1s Outer Heaven ending - he didn't. Solid Snake killed Big Bosses phantom - he killed Venom. Don't be shallow. Sadly, this will be lost on most fans."
Sad Thing is Only people who played MGS3 would've realized it wasn't the real snake from the beginning, They would've seen that Venom's Right eye was normal apart from being blinded by the blast, In MGS3 during Naked Snake's capture he saves EVA from Ocelots Russian Roulette and inadvertently gets his right eye shot out.
The Bearer of the Curse I saw that, but was that supposed to be an MSX? I searched for images, but none that looked like the keyboard with the red. Do MSX's make that sound that the cassette makes when it's being played?
How the heck is solid snake going beat the man who is 'the second big boss'?? Forget this' gray fox' stuff, when the man himself tells you you're the man too, some green chucklehead with recessive dna(yes, I'm talking about solid) isn't going to take you out. I want a redo
That sudden feeling when Ocelot, the guy always behind the scenes, the guy always on the phone with the greater threat, the weasel of the entire series, is one of the most genuinely good characters in the series.
+Boltizar49 When you think about it, this is the first time ever that we actually get to see the real Ocelot, since this is the only game where he isn't lying or pretending to be something he's not.
Totally. He always had Big Boss' interests at heart, even when he was helping Liquid Snake with Shadow Moses and trying to revive Big Boss again in MGS4. (Idk why Liquid wouldn't still be holding a grudge against Ocelot after the Kingdom of the Flies, though tbh) Ocelot idolized him. Everything he did amounted to benefiting him in some way, shape or form, even when Kaz felt scorned and helps the Cipher-backed son, Solid Snake, (unwittingly by Snake and why he just wanted to be left alone).
+Sanguiluna Technically, he is lying (or at least being deceptive) because if the Phantom would have done something to jeopardize the safety of the real Boss, he wouldn't hesitate to put him down in a heartbeat.
+Sanguiluna mgs3 he was acting like himself he was just really cocky, mgs5 yes I agree, mgs1 acted like himself, mgs2/4 he pretended to be liquid. how is this the ONLY game where Ocelot acts like himself.
Harry Banova In every game other than MGS5, Ocelot is playing a role. In MGS1, he played the role of a sadistic torture-loving FOXHOUND interrogation specialist for Liquid. In MGS2 he played the role of a lying, manipulative Patriot spy pretending to work for Solidus while being possessed by Liquid. In MGS3 he played the role of a cocky KGB spy pretending to be a GRU officer. In MGS4 he played the role of Liquid's doppleganger.
In MGS5, he's not playing any role. He's not behaving like a sociopathic torturer, or an arrogant spy. He's behaving like ADAMSKA.
Big Boss in 1984: -We can change the world, and with it, the future.
Big Boss in 2014: -It´s not about changing the world, it´s about doing our best to leave the world the way it is.
People tend to change over the years.
that was his lesson
That's the point. He finally realized the will of "the Boss". That's some good character development.
so that's why the DNA test didn't match
+Frost Yeah thats one of the in-game clues. A dead giveaway though lol.
+metamofia To me the prologue was already a dead giveaway. idk it just seemed logical that BB in the game wasn't the real one because of the "we need to change your appearance" thing with the doctor.
Totchi85 Yeap. When they asked us to create the avatar, i was like 'holy shit the rumours were true afterall..."
+metamofia +Totchi85 Yes, I too got the sensation of something wrong when they asked me to create an avatar. Another giveaway tho was in the lab where Huey is and you face the AI and it asks if its really snake.
+Frost It bothers me as the poetic "the gamer, you, you are BB" loses it's authenticity.
wow, the real big boss abandoned kaz with the medic. miller got fiddled so hard by his friend
GODDAMN FIDDLES!!
+sgt391 Yep. That explains why Miller was so mad at BB in MG2.
+sgt391 If miller saw the medic with shrappenel on his forehead, how the fuck did he forget about it?
+drleinad ehhh, nine years, trauma, stress etc
+Kitsyfluff Right! Thats what I been saying. its just complete Kojima story telling cheese. I hated the ending to this game, loved everything else.
When Venom punches the mirror, you can see the Outer Heaven logo on the door behind him. So, when he walks through the fog, he's basically walking to his own death.
To face his final battle...
Against solid snake...
This was a great catch, never noticed the logo change in the cracked reflection!
So technically he goes to his death. This game was difficult to understand but.... In the end, there is a final.
One more thing....
Look at his punching hand in the mirror. It's not a prosthetic... It's a real arm.
Does this imply he is now one with "Big Boss"?
@@abrahambonillaperez9565 see at 1995, that explains it. Kinda riddle tbh
Nice that Kojima covered a 25 year old plothole on how Big Boss "survived" the outerheaven incident.
+Kamille Namae Before this, I assumed someone carried him out beforehand or just BS excuse to have him in the next game. Even Big Boss isn't awesome enough to survive a nuke. I forget if it was ever explained how BigBoss escaped from OuterHeaven in it's sequel MG2 Solid Snake. Looking back now, it clearly does appear that Solid Snake kills (fake)BigBoss as his body does disappear similar how when you kill other enemies. Although it plugs up one plothole, another takes it's place.
One plothole is that no one mentioned this... ever... not even when BigBoss confronted SolidSnake in MGS4. In fact everyone said it as if it was one person all along. For example in MGS4 when Big Boss said "You erased me two times before. Today... will mark the third ". I suppose a counter argument in the MGS5 ending with "Were both Big Boss", "He's the two of us together" and "I am you, and you are me"... I just fine it BS. Don't you think he'd tell Solid Snake on his deathbed? The fact that we've never heard about it till this game.
+Shadowff61337 I don't think it was meant to be taken literally. Snake did erase Big Boss twice; his "phantom", and then the man himself.
+One Eye indeed. I think that is what made it interesting and unexpected. At least that is one less plot hole compared to the plotholes so big, you can drive an Arsenal gear through :)
+Shadowff61337 I care
+Shadowff61337 Actually, the end states that clearly about Big Boss quote in MGS4, the whole 'Kill me thrice' thing. Solid Kills the Phantom in MG1(1st), and then Solid kills the Real Big Boss in MG2 (2nd) but at the end of MetalGear2, the patriots revive big boss and conceal his comatose body, and then Old Snake really kills 'Big Boss' a 3rd time in MGS4, hence leading to Big Boss' 'kill me thrice' quote. FUCKING PHANTOM.
I think people haven't really realized that what Hideo Kojima is trying to state here is the true identity of the Big Boss 'phantom' is actually you yourself: the player of the game. What the tape is trying to explain is that Big Boss and the player of the game are one. But now it is time for Big Boss to depart and for the player of the game to continue the legend: The Metal Gear Series. Mind Blown! Genius Kojima is genius. Lols.
+Badiuzzaman Arsani I see MGS2 flashbacks: People hating Kojima for a twist they don't fucking get. Of course 10 years later we'll all be praising this for being the best 4th wall-break in gaming history. Let's face it, Kojima is a fucking genius...
THANK YOU SORRY EVERYONE ELSE IDK WHAT IT IS BUT YOUR EXPLANATION SOMEHOW CLICKED IDK HOW IT JUST DID
+Hound Fox
It Doesn't excuse that fact that they cut so much story content from the game and the game randomly ends halfway through chapter 2. This isn't a conclusion at all.
+TheGhostJRI listen to the truth tapes to get a full picture. i think this is all thanks to some "fans" who complains that mgs series has too many cutscenes before. we are the victims all right.
+Hound Fox also to notify by putting the player of the game as the phantom big boss for mg1 it means that having solid snake kills him symbolise the transition of the player from becoming the phantom big boss to becoming solid snake. and also kojima reminds us many times in mgs series especially mgs 4 that "Big Boss" may merely be a title, a symbol or an icon. it does not have to be a specific person though. something like the S3 plan from mgs2 the solid snake simulation program where anyone can be shaped into snake like the events in Shadow Moses.
Thats why he has a hand in MGS 4
+KleX Yes. He is intact.
Fatih Meriç Özarslan Well that game made the Medic Boss more badass than the real Big Boss for me
huh huh.
***** still that explains why he doesn't have the "horn"
That's right.
"I'll be ready for the new age."
- quote from man killed while taking a dump in his house
RIP Kazburgers
From here on out, you're Big Boss :)
30 minutes later killed by solid snake
+bot 12345 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, so true kkkk
+bot 12345 more like 10 years later
+tristan vogel nope
10:09 you hear those shots??? that is solid snake
13:35 MSX
+bot 12345 nope. You're wrong. Snake killed Venom 10 years after he recived this tape.
+bot 12345 You see, after this "true ending, when Venom realize that hes medic," we have second part of timeline. It starts from 1984 and information about killing Phantom is in 1995 line. :-)
Notice the logo changes to the Outer Heaven logo to show time passing. When Venom walks into the smoke he's walking to fight Solid Snake (and to his death). The back of the cassette says 'operation intrude n313' which was the name of the mission in the original Metal Gear game. Although i'm not 100% happy with the ending its kinda cool how they went full circle.
yeah i agree with you , but still it would have been nice to see how things started to turn out for BB and Venom Snake and also Solid and Liquid, a little bit of insight in form of some cutscenes. But the ending itself was astonishingly well made. Just Some more info on some things would have been aprecciated. (Or some 3 hour long ending cutscene like in MGS4 hehe]
I think when Venom Snake walks into the smoke it symbolises he has turned into Skull Face (Ruthless like a demon)
Kazuhira Benedict Miller. The most fiddled person of the 20th century. For real though. All his dreams for a private PF and aspirations to become the leader of fast food with "Kazuhira's Burgers" just went down the toilet. And he lost his leg and arm. And he was killed by Ocelot.. Goddamn
Wait! How Kaz die and when?
+Captain Supreme in 2005, 3 days prior to the Shadow Moses incident he was murdered probably by Ocelot.
redbarred13 Thank you
+redbarred13 I thought it was liquid snake prior to this game but that end dialogue pretty highly suggests that it was ocelot who murdered kaz
It was liquid who kills max I believe
The gunshots in the background when venom looks into the mirror. Could it be Solid Snake that is attacking?
+Moon yup
+Moon Yeah,look at the door when he hits the mirror,it changes from diamond dogs to outer heaven
No it's the same year it didn't warp him
The moment Venom put in the operation intrude N313 tape into the recorder, it was 1995, during the finale of MG1.
Nope. "Big Boss" had gray hair in 1995.
So the real Snake rides off and somehow turns into Wolverine and joins the X-Men. Called it.
+MrRavenXavier Exactly.
+MrRavenXavier zero called it
+MrRavenXavier damn it, you already took my fan fiction idea. How am I suppose to be the next Eli James, Fifty Shades of Grey? Maybe some Miller x Ocelot fic to pay the bills, Big Boss and Big Boss *cough* romantic *cough* vacation.
steven shar That's disturbing and you shouldn't be allowed on the internet.
:P
What sucks the scene of boss riding off on the bike should of just been the end of Ground Zeroes not the actually phantom pain lol man. so much wasted potential
I actually like this ending because it fills in the gaps.
This Big Boss we play as in Phantom Pain is the one Solid Snake kills in MGS. This explains why Big Boss seemingly comes back to life in MGS2 when in actuality the real Big Boss was still out there all along, only to return once again to see Solid Snake at the end of MGS4
+Jake Harries There is no big boss in MGS 1 or MGS 2.
Metal gear and Metal gear 2*
+ProtecSirius Way off. Phantom Pain itself explicitly states that Venom Snake is killed in MG1 and that Big Boss himself is killed in MG2, only to be revived later.
The real Big Boss never had a prosthetic arm at the end of MGS4 what are you talking about?
Jake Harries Yeah, I know that. Venom Snake was killed in MG1. The real Big Boss, who has no prosthetics, is killed in MG2. The Patriots take his corpse and later bring him back to life using parts of Solidus. Phantom Pain explains all of this to you in text.
If you enjoyed the vid make sure to like, comment and share. For more info on why this is the "true ending" and how you get it look at the description. I also made sure to just include the parts of the intro that are different here.
+Gamer's Little Playground how did you get this mission
+Gamer's Little Playground so the true big boss retired from there?
+Dota2funny that's why MGS V is the final MGS series of the kojima history.the picture of Snake retirement is the end
+fauzan alkautsar Its not his retirement. If you've played the original two Metal Gear Games before the shadow moses incident you play as Solid Snake and defeat Big Boss twice. originally it didn't make sense on how you kill him and then he's back and you kill him again. Basically the Big Boss (Venom Snake) we play is a distraction for the real Big Boss (Naked Snake). Venom builds Zanzibar Land while Naked builds Outer Heaven. After naked gets burned the patriots take his body and he's put in a coma by zero and then after that the events of the Shadow Moses commences and the rest of the Solid Snake series.
Mighty Hammer i know.its just the picture bro. (y)
Si basically, theyre saying that there's nit only TWO big bosses but instead, there's alot of Big Boss, each and every one who took his place IS, in fact, HIS PHANTOM - all the players who's playing the part of Big Boss' phantom are Big Boss' in their own form, hence the first person view and all the mirror reflection scenes (showing that the player looks like the Phantom and Big Boss).
In-game, the Phantom is ther medic.
IRL, it's all of us who will eventually get a hold of that controller and play the part of the phantom.
That, in its self, should be the greatest breaking the 4th wall in gaming history.
Konami will never get their hands on a game developer like Hideo Kojima ever again.
Mindfucked........
+A AAA
I think you are on to something my friend :) Good job!
And explains how big boss is in mg2
"What if Big Boss was one of us?"
+BOSS You're supposed to be dead. You were killed last year?
The twist reminds me of MGS2 where they market the game as playing Snake when you really play as Raiden for most of the game.
+turbobenx I rather use Raiden than use this trash of big boss's phantom (This guy will never be the real big boss)
+rafael prota
I feel you, Raiden in itself is a character, but to say someone else to be big boss is unacceptable.
+Boomstick898 "Given the right situations, the right story, anyone can be shaped into Snake!"
-Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2
+Super Imposter ya but people are still pissed if because you were suppose to see big boss turning dark but instead all you got of him is a bike ride away
I personally feel that story in itself is okay, and its accepted that Ishmael has role in it. But, this isn't a movie or a book, we are playing a game by paying earned money while spending time and effort into things we believed in.
In the end, we get the opposite and I cannot accept it. All that time and effort for what.
Trolljima strikes again
+Gray Fox At least The Phantom wasn't you lol
Decoy Sutherland
Well, I named my avatar Frank Jaeger and made him look like him :)
Gray Fox That counts too
Gray Fox I made mine an adult version of myself
+Gray Fox
Frank, lets not get into this.
11:50 This isn't "real" Big Boss talking to "fake" Big Boss. This is Big Boss/Kojima talking to YOU, the player. YOU built Mother Base in both PW and TPP, YOU completed all those missions and tough challenges. YOU wrote your own history. The story and legend is yours.
Remember, Big Boss isn't a character persay. Big Boss is just a title, a title that Kojima rewarded us with. That "thank you my friend" isn't from Big Boss, but from Kojima himself thanking us for enjoying his games.
All this hate and confusion about the ending reminds me of MGS2's controversy back in the day, only now people grew up and finally realizied what the message about that game was.
SS:Your Big Boss.
BB "Medic Boss":Yeah...I'm Big Boss.
That dialogue was from Metal Gear during Operation Intrude N313. Bravo Kojima.
This ending is secretly brilliant because it's a commentary on how we as players place ourselves in the role of the hero. That ending line where snake is telling the medic he's Big Boss, that's Kojima telling us we're snake, we've always been snake. It's awesome!
Here's the deal: in the game universe there is a character that thinks he is big boss and up until you see this scene WE (the player) have thought WE were big boss. To my mind this is the most creative and interesting narrative told since the twist at the end of 6th sense. It's a story that breaks the 5th wall and legitimately incorporates the player into the storyline in a way that makes sense in the MGS universe that has already been established. This, for me, IS the story arch of MGSV and I hope it will go down in history as the first time a story like this has been told. You just can't tell this story in any other medium. The fact that the rest of story is "hidden" in the cassette tapes is the way I think games should be telling stories. The medium needs to figure out what it can offer story telling that no other medium can, and by leaving the story there free for the player to explore but doesn't thrust it on them like a movie would. The open world gives you plenty of time to listen to the cassette tapes while you are scoping out an area or running from side-op to side-op. This is an absolute masterpiece and I hope no one watches this video unless they've first played through the game. The experience is just unbelievable.
+Nathanael Walsh Well, here comes mgs2 all over again...
maybe ppl will get it this time though
+Nathanael Walsh I agree, I just love those cassette tapesI liked them from Peace Walker too
thank fuck I'm not the one thats alone on this thread have a free cookie sir, you have just won the internet.
I want to give you a thumbs up, like, for real.
+Nathanael Walsh this is probably the best explanation of what this game means to the player and for all the people who have stuck with the story kojima set out to make. Well said my friend
It would be better if the real Big Boss was voiced by David Hayter... that explains why the fake one has a different voice actor...
+Giga Hertz Yeah, I don't understand how making somebody think they are someone else gives them that person's voice.
Well I'm actually not one of the 'somebody'... I was excited the day Kojima announced Kiefer will voice Big Boss but making David Hayter voice the Big Boss will be a great reason, and explanation, why Venom Snake was not the real Big Boss, hence the Voice change.
***** Well I was thinking that Kiefer will voice Ishmael and after revealing Ishmael as the real Big Boss, he will be now voiced as David Hayter. The voice switch is actually for the face acting purposes since David Hayter is not good with face acting at all. Nah, David voiced a young Big Boss back in MGS3...
+The Chairman Even with extensive gene therapy we can't make a human turn into rocks, teleport, fire electricity out of their skin, walk on fire.
Oh wait.
"pretty dumb plot twist"
Lol, you just deem pretty dumb, it's not even unrealistic in the MGS Lore.
+theZombieBub vocal cord scarifcation and surgery, in a world where they can develop a fully functional robot arm and bipedal mechs something like that wouldn't be too out there
I think Sutherland and Hayter, are both amazing. Although David became the voice of Snake for a while, Sutherland made a good job finishing what David started.
David = Best Solid Snake
Sutherland = Best Big Boss
True That
Hideo for me fucked up for that. It would’ve been better if he kept both of them and screw around with us by having their voices be as close as possible. It is so that the sound alike yet still different. Wasted opportunity.
@@thefallenjedi66 yeah now that I finished Cyberpunk 2077, there would be a bigger and much more explosive Big Boss if they took David and Kiefer together. Like, for GZ they could keep David, and by TPP they could have David voice the original Big Boss. I hope I made sense hehe
I have never felt more betrayed in my life after this ending and I still cant get over it.
At first, that's what I felt too. But I understood that Kojima offered us, with this last MGS, that it was "us", the players, the fans, that he wanted to celebrate. It's a tribute to his community of fans. He made us all "Big Boss". It's his way of thanking us, but also saying goodbye, and closing the great story of MGS. That's why he said "I'm Big Boss, and you are too. This story, this Legend, its ours... Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you my friend". Don't you see now ? Kojima made this last MGS for us. Don't be mad, and listen the last ending theme like it was your own... :)
@Duncan MacLeod said the same thing about this game but of course ppl thougt I was bugging
@duncanmacleod7287 I'm keeping in mind that Kojima still had some more content planned, but Konami just couldn't let him finish the game. The game was released in the state it was. So, you can hold some to Kojima all you want, but Konami in terms of the executives just was no longer interested in taking chances with their video game division. I still put most of the blame on Konami more than Kojima. At least he and his development team cared. Why'd you think some people who did Metal Gear Survive left a hidden message? They were peeved off at their bosses at Konami as well.
There's no telling if we would have gotten what we wanted if Konami wasn't being just terrible. Sorry man, but the executives at Konami are still to blame for the state of MGSV. They are the real reason why the game wasn't at its best. At least the games runs well compared to some games that with devs that wishes they had what MGSV and other games had.
@@chibie-maru Even if that is supposedly true, I'd rather an actual decently implemented ending that was actually complete
@@leon4000 Dude, $80 million was spent on the game's development and was in development for 4-5 years. That's incredibly generous in the game dev world, especially so considering Konami! They are money grubbing assholes, but Kojima is not innocent at all, he made ALOT of bad design decisions that led to the game we got today. It's too easy to point at Konami as the evil corporation but it's not as black and white as that.
Fairly, had Konami given it the RDR2 treatment then just maybe it would have been as legendary of a game as it should have. But that's quite a risky venture to undertake and extremely rare, but Rockstar/Take Two Interactive has a lot more money than Konami
so that's how Big Boss could lead both FOXHOUND and Outer Heaven at the same time. makes sense... 25 years later.
how did medic became so good at fighting?
+Francisco Reyes lol the question that everyone asked themselves when they got to this ending
+Francisco Reyes ocelot is a tactical instructor, if (after the coma) venom snake believed to have forgotten russian, could have been the same for cqc, so in that week he got to learn it. a more suitable question then would be "how did meedic got so big in just a week of training after the coma?" Answer ...because videogames.
+DeepSolid43 actually answer was apprently they used a steroid 😅 i think, idk ocelot injected him something on the boat
I red somewhere that its a similar hypnotic technique that ocelot used to condition himself to become liquid snake to be able to beat solid in mgs4. This time he used it to medic in order to become big boss.
secret casette true big boss said he is my best soldier(medic)
I like how this ending pretty much divided the entire Metal gear fanbase into 2. You can either be in Ocelot's side ( Praise Kojima Follow his last teaching, he knows what he was doing and this was all well done and thought out) or you can be in Kaz's side ( Go to hell Kojima for leaving us in a shitty state with a fake game that isn't the real deal like the others. I'm glad you're gone, we'll make this fake game better without you. We will be fine without you.) we're basically Ocelot and Kaz. lol
So like how Death Stranding arguements feel like Americans arguing about shite
Well I suppose I should learn some neat revolver tricks and some fancy shooting
Deep inside, I always wanted kaz and big boss to reunite after tpp
omg listen to this, bare with me, big boss died in 2014, hideo kojima leaves konami in 2014, then miller asks 'what was it all for?' (refering to i think mgsv's lack luster story to close the mgs circle)'If the boss has some plan what is it...?' (referring to outraged fans who still to this day believe the rest of the game is coming and beginning to doubt there precious kojima) Then ocelot replies with 'the real big boss is working seperately from us, to create his new nation' (referring to the new kojima productions). Then while thinking about the hole of metal gear's entirety, it is kojimas career but with guns added
Holy shit
...
And in ground zeroes skull face was konami and the offshore thing was the Kojima productions
You know I thought it was weird the whole game has this under tone of "oh god get me out of this bureaucratic nightmare" but now suddenly it makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.
My avatar was black so this game became Tropic Thunder at the end.
Ahhahahahahahahha
"I'm the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!"
When you’re feeling particularly bloodthirsty in a playthrough: “IM A LEAD FARMER MOTHERF..KER!!”
I can understand why people were either, disappointed or skeptical of this ending. But the more I see it and think about it. The more genius it truly becomes. It cover's a major plot hole in MGS2 and not only did we have a giant impact on this game. But the entire series. We are Big Boss
13:45 - 14:20 Sooooo Powerful
Bibi300 he knows
Is venom left handed?
@@nicholastremoulis1757 no I don't think so, he just has that robotic/bionic arm for his left arm. Also just noticed its been 3 years so doubt you'd still see this 💀 have a nice day if you do
And that's why on game over screen it's say "mission failed"
not
"time paradox"
The Phantom Pain : You will always want to play the real Big Boss but never will.
Nah, I like being able to use Venom Snake's magic arm.
Ik this is a late reply but ngl, i think i like Venom much more than Big Boss
Msgv Ground Zeroes
"Given the right situations, the right story, anyone can be shaped into snake!" -Ocelot
+David Hilarious Now we know whats up. Lol.
+metamofia You're welcome!
+David Hilarious What I dont get is that how the fuck is Venom Snake so good. He took down quiet in sniping battle and subdue her in hand to hand combat. His CQC is really good. And he manage to beat the skulls and a freaking METAL GEAR. He is not even a CLONE! It's like he is as good as Big Boss or Solid Snake. I call Bullshit
joke lang Because Venom is YOU in every sense. Whatever Venom did in the game...it was through you. Thats the message Kojima was implying to us. 'I am Big Boss, you are too."
+metamofia Just got the chills reading this.
the most obscure ending in a metal gear solid game and for me it is the Best ending in the series . that mirror breaking is both enigmatic and Powerful . the attention to details is phenomenal ( MSX 2 being discontinued in 1995 for example ) . this Game is a masterpiece despite all the cited flaws
14:07 look over the shoulder of venom the outer heaven emblem on the door.
At 13:16 On the other side of the tape wrote "Operation Intrude N313", which is the mission that leads to the first solid snake game. At the beginning of the game, Solid Snake got a radio call from the "Big Boss" - "Big Boss speaking, Operation Intrude N313...." It draws back memories...good old times.
This ending is so much better if you have the mentality that your not playing as the medic but as yourselfs, and that message is from kojima to us and not BB to his fake impersionator
I actually like this ending. Considering this is Kojima's capper, he gave the players a fond farewell. And with the appearance of the MSX keyboard, it all comes full circle.
It even expands on a point he tried to make with MGS2: we're not Snake. But we're not wussy little Raiden either.
We're Big Boss.
So the fake big boss (the player) is medic and in the hospital scene at the beginning it was medic getting surgery to look and act like big boss, while the real big boss left. Fake big boss is who u play as in the whole game and from the scene at the end where the real big boss gets on the bike is when real big boss is going to go into hiding then the real big boss gets plastic surgery to look completely different and go in hiding and leaves the tape for fake big boss to know the truth and know his instructions, which is why the tape was saying "from here on out, ur big boss" Then real big boss hides and fake big boss gets killed by solid snake in the original metal gear and then the real big boss comes back. Am I correct?
explains why the paternity test between eli and big boss came up negative.
My head almost exploded when I saw this in-game. Fucking brilliant.
Yes you're correct, that's what happened to venom snake in mg
J99 it's not fake boss, it's solid snake.
lenny Let's play "spot the clueless person who did not play MGS5"
"Given the right situation, the right story, anyone can be shaped into Snake!" Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of liberty. This is the quote that defines MGS V The Phantom Pain.
Around 6:51 when big boss is given the pass port; do you remember during MGS1 after defeating psycho mantis Meryl ask if snake had a family. His response that no but he was raised by many people. What if by chance that Big Boss under his fake passport went back to America, changed his face and helped raise his son David, Solid Snake?
Miller asks: "What about him?" Doctor says he (medic/phantom) took a shrapnel to the head. Why Kaz didnt noticed that?
Maybe he doesn’t remember properly? Who knows?
U probably understood on your own by now, but kaz is blind
@@dirtyoup4830 but he isnt
@@dirtyoup4830 Kaz isn't blind, but photosensitive.
@@Jarock316 i don't remember if it was specified tho, tbh at the beginning of chapter 2 those looks like the eyes of a blind man, could be wrong tho
Holy shit. I just realized the soldier from the beginning of peace walker who calls bb, vic boss, could be this medic boss. Go watch the opening sequence of pw. It would kinda make the whole v has come to thing make sense amongst other things. If this is what kojima intended, then bravo sir, you are a masterful storyteller.
no its gotta be the first soldier that comes up to big boss during the first comic style scene. the pieces all fit, the message from vic boss on the back of the photo, the fact that soldier said to bb in pw "but doesnt one triumph or die?" and kaz mentions triumph and death after the first mission, the pw soldier then calls bb, vic boss.
+Dr00zk1 Pretty sure the V was meant for Venom
+Dr00zk1 I wont be surprised if it is! The back of the photo supports it.
I think youre right because I rewatched the beginning scene and u here the idroid lady say "V has come to" and the doctor says something like "its been 2 weeks since you've come to"
Or maybe "V has come to" reffers to de 5th Snake has come to life, remember we have Naked, Solid, Liquid, Solidus and then Venom would be the fifth one aka "V"
At 13:40 when the music starts and big boss punches the mirror is the best scene ever
7:22 That part, along with the music, gives me nostalgia, i don't know why.
"Diamond Dogs"..."Man Who Sold The World"...
So many Bowie references in this game.
I like how this establishes (or reinforces,if you look at if differently) the idea of "Big Boss" only being a title.Naked Snake & the Medic (Which represents the players) shows that anyone can take on the title of Big Boss if they are made to believe so.
Also,I'm pretty sure this serves as like a prototype test for what Raiden when through during MGS 2 & Ocelot being brainwashed into Liquid.
Best parts include that music when Ahab punches the glass, and when kaz and Ocelot are talking
+Michael Nam The chords actually sound an awful lot like Metal Gear Rising: Revengance' menu music, which, no doubt, is not a coincidence (since both games have a theme of revenge)
hmmm.....
Mgs5 Boss theme that's the music plays in true ending.
Does that mean Raiden is the new Big Boss? Out to stop the War Economy using whatever means?
Sig Fried No the medic from Ground Zero was Phantom Big Boss while the real Big Boss was on motorcycle shown in the true ending. Phantom Big Boss has Shrapnel on his forehead and a Bionic Arm while real Big Boss don't and this is a prequel to Metal Gear Solid where Solid Snake killed Venom Snake.
14:05 Outer Heaven at the door before that it was diamond dogs. Solid Snake is attacking mother base.
The conversation between Kaz and Ocelot at the end is incredibly dark. The whole premise that they let fate run its course and potentially turn out to be enemies is proof of their dedication to their cause. Super bummed about how this ended though. Would like to see a DLC or added content where we get to see Outer Heaven or see things from the real Big Boss's perspective in a similar timeline.
What i find chilling about this ending is that whenever Venom Snake punches the mirror and starts walking into the fog, you can hear Solid Snake fighting in the background. It really makes this ending even more crazy!
Anyone know what the music is between 7:20 and 8:33?Personally one of the best cut scenes I have seen, primarily due to the bike.That's a Triumph Bonneville by the way. Badass Bike for a Badass Guy.
StolenMadWolf MGSV The other Shadow
Maybe its a dumb question but I still didn't get in which point Big Boss begins to be an antagonist in metal gear series. After MGS3, BB will fight all this time against Zero who is the actuall main enemy in series so why Big Boss is considered to be as a "bad guy" ?
+Arthur's Little World The game doesn't really show it, besides the fact he basically threw all the trouble onto Venom(you) while he went undercover against Cipher. The Big Boss throughout the series was suppose to be a well intentioned extremist that wanted a world that would always need soldiers. This ideal had good intentions with clearly bad results. Instead the game showed the story of a man who was made to continue big bosses legacy while he was gone. So... yeah, this game does almost nothing to show a story of a mans downfall to a monster. Although, I have to say, this story itself is interesting. Venom snake kept the best morals of big boss (Spares his enemies, saves children, ironically doesn't want much revenge). Really, I say they may have made the trailers so much about revenge to give us a different perception. Venom snake was a character that stood above the evil of revenge. He spared Huey, even after all the horrible things he's done. The funeral in the game made it look like it was a way to show him not letting go of the anger of being wronged. Instead, it was a memorial to a tragedy that he wanted to make right. Venom snake throughout the game never was actually an avatar of revenge. Kaz was mostly the one being so petty.
+Gaarkukan21 thanks for the explanation :)
Because you really weren't. Venom snake isn't truly Ahab, he's Ishmael, caught in a mans(big boss) lust for vengeance. The gameplay enables us to make our own version of Venom snake, leaving his fate as the only determinant thing about him. He's killed by Solid Snake eventually, why he decided to fight snake is up to our imagination.
I really really need the music at the end. And I'm pretty sure it isn't Darude Sandstorm.
+Thomas Lewis
DaBig - BossStorm
But seriously, I need to find that track also! SO epic!
Thank you!
That's really good, but the one they actually use must be some sort of mix of that.
+Dominic Ka it's not "Return"
Its MGS5 Boss theme.
The song when he punches the mirror is:
MGSV: TPP soundtrack-Behind The Mirror
Being a huge fan of Kojima's Metal Gear series and having played and beaten all of the games in he main series, I have absolutely zero problem with this 'twist'. It perfectly explains how Big Boss survived the Outer Heaven incident and neatly connects to the next game chronologically in the series, Metal Gear.
What I'd like to see, and I realize that we'll likely never get it, are current gen remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake or maybe a new Metal Gear game that features Solid Snake that takes place between MG and MG2 during his time with FOXHOUND. I'd love an opportunity to play as Snake one last time in his prime. We haven't gotten to play as Solid Snake in his prime since the Tanker section of MGS 2. Thats a long time.
+DOOMED ! Me too. But my only complain is what happened inbetween the game. The story of revenge was very poor, if not, non-existent.
+DOOMED ! After all the game series is Metal Gear SOLID.
I can’t stress how much I just LOVE the scene at 7:25. The upwards shot showing how small they are compared to the world yet how much power and influence they have over it. The quiet, relaxed scene of the two biggest antagonists of the series having a passive bonding moment. Not to mention that this is the last time these two characters ever see each other, the two figurative children of The Boss sharing a last moment before they kick off the entire Metal Gear series. It both chills my spine and warms my heart, Metal Gear Solid has had such an effect over video game storytelling AND my heart and I doubt I will ever be able to forget the stories of Solid Snake, Big Boss and Revolver Ocelot. Thank you, to absolutely everyone who has ever worked to make the Metal Gear franchise the best it can be.
People saying Big Boss betayed Miller don't realise that Miller was with Cipher before the events of Ground Zeroes...so well done Big Boss.
Man all these people pissed about this ending and yet they're missing two important messeges
1. WE took the part of Big Boss. Which is freaking cool to put the series to an end
2. Aside of that, this is still part of the Metal Gear Solid storyline. It fills in some plot holes and questions. Sure, now you realized you're not playing as Jack, but it's still part of Kojima's story. It seems the only people who don't understand this game's ending never played the earlier Metal Gear games. (Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake)
"GET EM!" :-) I'M WITH YA MY MAN!
+Obtenebrations LOL
Your first point is accurate, but we've already been there with MGS2. The avatar twist in 5 is basically the dog tag thing from 2. The specifics are different, but its the same basic concept, which is why its bummed people out.
+salamagogo I like everything about this ending except for the fact that it was the medic they chose to replace him. A medic? Seems a bit odd for MSF's "best soldier" to be a medic. What they should have done was, when Miller got into the chopper at the end of Ground Zeroes, their "best soldier" hopped on with him. That would make way more sense and would be much more acceptable.
+huskiesghost Not only that but it explains how big boss was able to survive being burnt alive in metal gear 2. The reason is that the big boss that got burnt alive was not the real big boss but the body double from phantom pain
Genius twist. I never saw it coming at all.
One thing I noticed... at the end, after he plays the other side of the tape, the logo on the door switches from "Diamond Dogs" to the Outer Heaven Logo.
I love the tiny bit where Ishmael Big Boss still tries reaching out to try to help the medic in the car before hes pulled out.
Many have raised numerous questions about this ending.
However my real question is... how does Ishmael/Big Boss grow a full beard in just 3 hours?
Nanomachines, of course.
You can make your character black too.. how did they turn him into big boss....
so... as long as you believe that you are big boss, you can become the ultimate soldier? then why are the genes so important? that would make the genes and the clones irrelevant, right?
+gatts13 That's kind of the whole point in this series; genes don't mean shit. That's why in the original MGS, the inferior clone (Solid Snake) ends up defeating the dominant clone (Liquid), because like Naomi says in the epilogue, genes don't define us; we define ourselves through our choices and actions.
+Sanguiluna i know what MGS (PSone) is about, but what i'm trying to say is that, i find that this diminish the legend of big boss, since a medic who is a no name, can become a master in CQC, Solo Infiltrations, can beat skull squads, metal gears, just because he believes he is big boss.
this is just a cop out from kojima to not show Big Boss becoming a villan
gatts13 Big Boss himself disagrees with you: *"This story... this LEGEND... is OURS."*
but thats after the facts, big boss said that he didn't expect the medic to survive.
and i say that this diminishes the legend of big boss, because a medic can do everything just as good as big boss
+gatts13 This is the way i see it: You say that it diminishes his legend because a simple medic can do everything as good as Big Boss, but you're forgetting that that medic is in fact the player. Now tell me: when you play the game, can YOU do every single mission without raising any alarm, without getting spotted even once, without killing anyone, taking no damage at all, and in the shortest amount of time possible? The answer is you can, but you have to be just as good as Big Boss.
"Operation Intrude N313. Infiltrate the enemy's base Outer Heaven and destroy the ultimate weapon, Metal Gear!"
For those wondering what that last tape was that was making the fax noise, venom was putting the original metal gear game from the msx computer into a bit decoder so the msx computer on the desk can load up the game.
The reference to MSX and cassette tapes, makes me feel old. The tapes used to load games on MSX.
+Ahmad Kalban Me too, I had a commodore 64 which used in a similar way!! This was done to signify that venom is the player going to play the first MG after this :D
Lemme correct:
The medic that was seen in ending of GZ saved Big Boss from death, but he got a unicorn-like shrapnel. 9 years later, the medic had a Big Boss-like face. Because the real one wanted to expand his legend. So he started working for his "Outer Heaven" seperately from them. And that underground nuclear facility in Northeast South Africa.... that was turned into a fortified military base by the name of the same thing. Medic (Venom Snake/now known as "Big Boss") commandered its military forces. And he was killed on 8th August( my fiction day) of 1995 by Solid Snake when real BB commandering FOXHOUND. By the way: Ishmael is the real one when Snake is MSF Medic.
+Fatih Meriç Özarslan yalnız John, yani gercek Big Boss, FOX la yollarını cok oncesinde ayırıyor. 1995 den cok once. orayı duzeltiyim.
nasıl istersen ulti.
No, Real one wanted to distract cipher. he was not workin on foxhound for cipher.
I don't think so. He (the real one) is working seperately from them, including "Cipher". He just focused on Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land. Big Boss who died in Outer Heaven was none other than the MSF Medic/Venom Snake.
+Fatih Meriç Özarslan birşey sorcam bu "cipher" dediğimiz grup "Patriots" dediğimiz grup mu?
my only problem with this is that at 5:47 it appears hes clean shaven even through the bandages
It's probably a mask covered in bandages. Kojima himself wore that mask once, only the mouth bit was free so it looks convincing while talking. Since this is Metal Gear the mask is just really well made and the fake mouth just moves while talking.
And at first i was like "how the hell are they gonna explain the missing horn in MGS4" ... well this ending caught me by surprise.
Anyone knows the song that plays at 13:45?
Anyone notice that in the beginning of the final scene where you hear Big Boss talk to you the logo on the door behind you is the Diamond Dogs logo?
Check the logo again during the flash that reveals it at 14:06. I guess you know what that is...!
Do you remember when Kojima was asked by Geoff Keighely: "Who's the third guy in that room? From whose perspective are we seeing the scene?" and Kojima went like "Uhm, that's simply myself..."
Now I get yoy, Kojima-sensei ;)
12:43 Snake can smile. Wait never mind it's not him 😂😂
Vishnu Kamal
The real Big Boss smiled a lot in Snake Eater...
Juan Laise oh! I'm new to MGS. Only played Phantom Pain and i loved it to the core. 200+ hours then my save file got corrupted!
Vishnu Kamal
Crap. Damn your luck. I playedd it again, though, to see the cutscenes again. It's easier to gain everything again the second time. You should play the others. MGS3 is my personal favorite, with MGS1 as my second, MGS2 third, then Peace Walker and last MGS4.
Juan Laise yeah my mate always says MG3 is the best. I'm on a laptop now Waiting to build myself a new pc. Once I'm done I'm gonna play everything.
Vishnu Kamal
Enjoy them.
in 13:46, what does the blood face and the longer shrapnel face indicates? as he looked like that in several occasions during the game. it has also appeared in the trailers so I wonder what is Kojima referring to by this, I would appreciate any explanation.
Guys look close to his reflection at 13:43 in the mirror he looks evil with the horn and all that blood on his face, which is what he saw in the mirror ( big boss) and thats why he decides to hit the mirror coz he saw big boss the evil one with the blood and the horn, then in 13:58 when you look close again the reflection of his bionic arm its a real arm with a glove so hes actually hitting big boss he was betrayed by him, then once again in 14:06 it shows he was in outer heaven in the bottom left of the mirrors reflection which is when outer heaven fell under the hands of solid snake who was first sent by big boss, finally his reflection in the mirror isnt evil anymore coz now he is looking at himself giving up to his death. He was good big boss is the one who was evil and he took this guy's admiration and loyalty for granted!
Here's a theory: 9 years ago, the MSF base was destroyed along with most of its members. But in reality, they were actually teleported to another dimension, where the events of Metal Gear Survive happened. The MSF are now known as the Charon Corps. By the way, the timeline has been retconed.
Sorry if this sounds stupid but how did the phantom big boss got all the abilities of the real big boss?
+Al Adeeb nanomachines!!!, na lol i guess because he thought he was big boss - the mind is powerful that way ?
He was made to believe he had memory loss and while traveling to Afghanistan ocelot "fills him in" and does therapy on his body. they used mental suggestion and therapy to mold him. kinda like how ocelot was turned into liquid.
he gained them by the power of plot
+Al Adeeb He was supposedly Big Boss's best soldier and was always almost as good as good as him. It's not that much of a stretch to say that he could become as good as Big Boss over time.
+Al Adeeb Thats the coolest part. The phantom is YOU. You are playing as Big Boss. You shape the legend that he is. All the CQC, the headshots and the infiltration...were done by YOU. YOU are Big Boss.
7:39
Such a brief goodbye, considering they never met again...
They intended to one day, upon the successful takedown of The Patriots and Big Boss’ vision for a new nation being sought through, but it unfortunately never went the way either of them thought it would. That, and on top of that, after making sure the real Big Boss was successfully off the grid, Ocelot hypnotized himself to believe that the Phantom Boss was the real boss . So that “We’ll meet again.” Is supposed to be ironic. And that’s why all Ocelot says is “Right.”
Just imagine if the final bossfight in the Phantom Pain was with young Solid Snake. It would have been like returning to the same battle from your NES childhood but fighting on an opposite side. OMG!
6:16 When you run from your crazy Ex GF, And Meet your friend who knows how to go off grid
7:10 When We Part ways and will meet again
This creates even more questions for me. Firstly was the medic the same age as big boss cause changing the face wouldn't change his age. They could have had David Hayter voice the real big boss or else why does the phantom sound exactly the same as big boss.
if you remember ground zeroes the medic did already sound like big boss just slightly deeper
+Obtenebrations MG 1 and MG2.
+Ishmam Huq if Kojima used Hayter to voice the real Big Boss on the motor cycle I would have liked the plot twist better
I know that's my exact point, I felt Big Boss getting out of MG1 made him more of a bad ass. Overall the game play has to be the best in years but story wise very disappointed.
+Ishmam Huq 45000 years later and you guys are still butthurt about David Hayter not participating in the game? Come on guys!!
Scene still gives me chills
11:15 - 14:20
When I were playing this game.....
I was like woah....
This ending was a total mindfuck I love it!
The last part of psychological reconstruction: letting the subject acknowledge the new *truth* themselves.
"I'm Big Boss...and so are you"
In the end, with all the shooting and the fact that the emblem changes on the door, I think that is the moment Solid Snake is right at Venom's doorstep, not in Diamond Dogs anymore, but in outer heaven.
That's SUCH BULLSHIT! You mean this whole time I was playing some rando. Goddamn you Kojima. lol
+Yvonne Lim
Not just a roll in the game.
A roll in the entire story of the Metal Gear universe.
+Falling Pictures Productions Kojima is thoughtful like that!
WE ARE SNAKE!
+Maddix Roberts Here's one of the best (if not the best) comments on this case written by Confused Demon Productions. Hope it'll enlighten you good.
"ok, so, having played this, i know what this ending means and signifies. It's not simply saying "You play as the medic" because that's a shallow way to look at it. At the beginning, we create our perfect avatar, a representation of ourself, we even put our own name and DOB in it. WE, the players, are the medic - WE are venom snake. Now, what is big boss? It isnt a person - it's a title. A legacy. Ok, so we don't play as Jack, the original big boss - but we DO play as big boss - Jack hands us the PLAYER that title - this is Kojima's final MGS game, and, as a farewell present, he is giving US the title of Big Boss. That's why Jack says thank you. It's subtle, but it's from Kojima. Jack says that the medic was his his most trusted lieutenant - why was he? What's so special about him? It's because we've known Jack since his very first mission. That's why Venom Snake has Jacks memories - it's because we were there WITH Jack. That's also how he has all his same abilities. It's the biggest fourth wall break in gaming history - It's not a fuck you to fans - it's a thank you. It also fits with the canon too - it explains how Big Boss survived MG1s Outer Heaven ending - he didn't. Solid Snake killed Big Bosses phantom - he killed Venom. Don't be shallow. Sadly, this will be lost on most fans."
*Applause*
Henceforth, why MGSV is easily the most thoughtful game in the series in regards to the player.
+Mati9319 Studio It will be another divisive entry in the series like MGS2.
I am Medic? Hideo played us like a damn FIDDLE !!!!!!
The sheer amount of people who just refuse to understand this is...staggering.
What's the name of the song that plays at 12:40!?
Its so dope. (Expecting sandstorm joke....but I would like a serious answer)
I like the scene when after Venom punches the mirror and walks into a fog/mist, it means that Venom accepts his role as a phantom
This ending makes sense to anybody who knows the story of metal gear and it's beginning. Answers a lot of questions
Sad Thing is Only people who played MGS3 would've realized it wasn't the real snake from the beginning, They would've seen that Venom's Right eye was normal apart from being blinded by the blast, In MGS3 during Naked Snake's capture he saves EVA from Ocelots Russian Roulette and inadvertently gets his right eye shot out.
"I was.. a low res textured npc?!"
Girls in the mirror: Ew I've got a pimple!
Boys: 13:37
At 13:13, is that an MSX Home Computer? It looks like controller ports on the side and something lights up blue, like the MSX load up screen.
The cassette tape Venom puts in the machine says OPERATION INTRUDE N3- come on you know the rest!
The Bearer of the Curse I saw that, but was that supposed to be an MSX? I searched for images, but none that looked like the keyboard with the red. Do MSX's make that sound that the cassette makes when it's being played?
pollo20x6 it does look like an MSX2 system. Google it
+The Bearer of the Curse Yes, it's a MSX2
How the heck is solid snake going beat the man who is 'the second big boss'?? Forget this' gray fox' stuff, when the man himself tells you you're the man too, some green chucklehead with recessive dna(yes, I'm talking about solid) isn't going to take you out. I want a redo
+Kev Urbie me too but not by kojima
+Kev Urbie The game tells you that you kill this second big boss in Metal Gear (the MSX one)
+Kev Urbie Because genes don't make the man. That's pretty much one of the main been the messages since MGS1
metamofia
this game blows
+metamofia Totally agreed. Solid Snake is the main protagonist of the series