I know this is old but this helped me tremendously. Resurrecting an 87 my dad gave up on and let sit for 30 years, whose demised started because the rear glass wouldn’t go up after having the motor replaced. Huge thanks.
I cannot tell you how much these comments mean to me. I am so glad it helped! Now that the window works, what part of the truck are you working on next?
@@philsgarage7092 splitting my time depending on weather. It’s frustrating, as no one part finished (I love how you say that’s how you’re doing it btw I’m so jealous lol), but as of now I’m stuck working outside and it’ll make things seem “fast” as they get completed. Completed rear suspension. Wire wheeling and painting under carriage and frame while gas tank is out, new tank and lines in hand. Rear brakes parts arriving this week so rear brakes will be next week. Front suspension parts in hand, PTSD from cutting rear off keeping me from starting the front 😂 For a smaller victory, should have doors done inside and out this month too. Have made steady progress over the past 3 months, and without exaggeration, your video helped maintain the momentum to get me to the “point of no return,” where I’m far enough along that I can’t quit AND everything left is achievable. I know it’s not much but I hope you know doing that video-as frustrating as I’m sure it was 😂-made a huge difference for me.
Glad I found your video. I’ve been debating on doing this with my 76 Suburban. I can’t find a motor for it and I was actually considering converting it to barn doors using the parts from a 78 I have. But seeing how easy this is I’ll just do this. Thanks for the video. Great job.
I'm so glad I found this video! I've got a '73 and the window gets stuck and you can feel it slipping in there when trying to crank it up. I think it's just the regulator that needs replaced and I thought it'd be much more complicated than this.
I just bought an 88 K5 in February 2021. This video is GOLD! I hate the power window and how loud and slow it is and I will be making this conversion. Thank you!
Hey man, seems like your channel is kinda dead these days, but I'm really glad I found this. It's exactly what I needed to figure out how to convert my tailgate. Thanks for being concise and detailed! Hope you keep making videos!
Jordan, thanks a lot for the comment. If I am being honest with myself, then yes, the channel is pretty close to dead. The combination of being joining a startup oil and gas company and having my first child in the last year has left me with little to no free time. That being said I am DYING to get back to working on the truck. I'm considering burning a week of vacation and working on the truck for 7 days straight so I can have plenty of footage to edit and release new videos. Comments like yours are what make me want to pick it up again. Thank you.
Micah, thanks for your comment. It made my day. If I had my choice, I would be wrenching on this thing every day, but knowing that someone out there is still getting value from it is a great feeling.
+William Runde Thanks for the support! I'm glad I could help. If there are any other specific projects you want to see, let me know and I will do my best to get them up here.
The piece that holds the glass is called the "sash" if you are going to all this trouble, you might as well replace that (they are often rusty, and will break in the middle). Thanks for the video !
Good video.. clear!... on the other hand I have an issue when I've installed the window sash... This bar hits the mechanism!... did you have the same issue?
Hi! Been wanting to do this to my K5 Blazer, did you ever get a list of parts you used? Part numbers or at least part descriptions would be a big help, I need to swap to manual as well as replace my half broke handle (yours seems to be the same) Thank you!
Great video and thank you! It would be great if you could list the LMC part numbers you used, what year tailgate that is, and rough parts cost. Otherwise very informative. Keep up the great work.
+1bigbaddaddy You are absolutely right. Let me see if I can throw together a quick video that covers that information for you. Thanks for the feedback!
I am trying to repair my existing power tailgate window and I can’t seem to find the mounting bracket for the motor. Any ideas where I could find one? Thanks!
Phil..at the 18:48 mark, you guys are making a final adjustment to the locking mechanism..what were you doing? BTW..excellent explanation of how to assemble that beast..hahaha!!
Great video! I'm having a little trouble with my electric window. Key switch to lower and lift window doesn't work anymore. My window motor works, just needs some work on new rollers, needs new window rubber. If all else fails I will go to manually. Thanks!
SouthSide Switches my Jimmy is a 1982. I will try to get together a list of parts from lmc, but my fear is that they may change part numbers and make the list obsolete.
If the cable has come off the gear motor, it is likely because the plastic holding on has broken, and you are going to need to get a new one. I hope that helps.
I would like this do this to my K5 but i cannot get the back window down because the cable that powers the window regulator unwound itself, Any suggestions?
Cole Crocker are you referring to the blue cable thing he connected the drill too? if so just remove it from the gear housing and replace it with another cable. then the motor can move the window. if your referring to the actual power wires to the motor just remove your tail gate cover and undo the blue colored cable (may not be the same color) as he did and use the drill to raise and lower the window.
I might be dumb, did anyone ask why you preferred to convert to manual vs the electric? I just picked up a functional electric version I might retro fit on a 76….
Great question. The short answer is simplicity and reliability. The ability to get in and out of the back when the battery is dead is also a big benefit.
hey phil got my parts from lmc just wondered you havent show the part number 7 frm lock mecanizm. where that par goes ? if you have time please tell me
madTurk, thanks for pointing that out. I will try to take the time to look at it again and let you know. I think we were just so satisfied to have gotten past that tough step that we forgot to video that last step.
Sorry for the late response. For the conversion to a manual tailgate, yes. Everything you will need is in that box. But don't forget to order new weatherstripping if you cannot get the old one off without damaging it. Thanks for your question and GOOD LUCK!
Phil'sGarage I️ ordered all of the parts and tried to assemble this evening; however, the clutch doesn’t seem to reach far enough into my tailgate to engage the regulator. Any ideas?
Rafe, I looked at the years that LMC truck says the parts will fit. For the manual window regulator, it say 1973-1989. Based on that, I would have some concerns about it fitting. Good luck!
I have a 90 suburban too and I ordered all of these parts but when I put it all together the crank and the regulator didn't make co tact, they're too far apart so idk what to do
hi I am trying to do this conversion on my 91 k5 and I have ordered all parts needed but my key cylinder will not stay in the slot, it is all the way in and turns the c mechanism but then the cylinder just falls out, also my clutch will not spin freely when it is locked, any ideas of what I could be doing wrong , what hold the cylinder in place from falling out.
Ronald, Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, the installation of the lock cylinder is by far the most difficult part of the whole process. It took me long time to get it to work. All I can tell you is to stay at it and don't get discouraged. Good luck!
Phil'sGarage , yes it seems that way, it is as if it isn't grabbing anything to hold its self in I've checked the part numbers to double check everything, should the cylinder start in place without the pawl or does the pawl have to be in there basically holding it, just trying to trouble shoot, also it looks like there is possibly some uncut metal on the inside but I do not know if I should file it out, it is very thin material
I'm not sure what you meant by the 'pawl'. Help me out with that one. As far as the key turning in the cylinder, the key should rotate the cylinder that it is immediately inserted into, but it should not rotate any of the other cylinders in which it is place. I hope that helps.
Phil My cable snapped at the regulator not motor so I cant use the drill trick to get window up. How can I get to the window up to work on it? Do I have to break window and buy new one? In other words motor is dead and cable is broke behind glass(Window is down) Help!
NO NO! Do NOT break the window. I would not want to go through the hassle of trying to buy/find a replacement. With the back panel of the tailgate removed is it possible for you to get a wrench in there (probably too tight for a ratchet) and undo the bolts that connect the window to the window regulator?
Hi Phil, thanks for replying so quick. Panel was removed, I can only barely see two of the four screws. The two towards the inner tailgate are visible, the two towards the taillights are not really visible. Seems like I'm going to need a very looooong 7/6 wrech and a very thinnnnnn one... Then have a child or someone with very small hands try it. It will also be working by feel mostly basically in the blind. I'll start searching for this special wrench. Is there any other way to get window up? I tried pulling on it, but move the whole truck moves. Thanks Phil.. Your right breaking the window is a last last resort.
good question di you get that done ? I have to order a new cable and install it. when I removed the cable from the regulator it sprung up and almost got my finger ,
you have no idea how bad i hate this motor windows now i know what to do ,,,,how about converting passinger and driver windows to manual ?? i love to convert mine,,,,thanks
MadTurk, you are way ahead of me, but that is ABSOLUTELY on the to-do list for this project. Spoiler alert: I cheated by going to a junkyard and buying a door that had manual windows from the factory.
I am in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex here in Texas. If your question is do I work on people's cars, then the answer is not really. I do this work out of a love for it, but generally on my own project. As I'm sure you know, there is barely enough time for one project vehicle.
oh ok im in tulsa i have a 85 k5 90 ramcharger and 74 nova and all works tagged and insured just little things like that ,,,i just ordered all the part you mention on your video and LMC has all of the 8 parts ,,thank you for the video great information,,
You want to get a new tail gate with power regulator so you can lower and raise the glass while driving They make new motors in china for 70s American cars for $50 per motor my clam shell Chevy wagon I was able to buy new motors
@@jodilaurie4939 sorry I sold my Jimmy a few years back. I did have the link but not anymore. I ended up putting a normal tailgate (for weight) on it and a really nice soft top on my 86.
Good job on the conversion, you and your Helper Ninja made a good video. As for the body shops and their reluctance to get involved in your project, with well over 40 years experience, I'll do my best to explain. First off, that is at minimum, a 30 year old ride, and will be covered in dents. Small ones that you may not see until it has shiny paint highlighting each and every one, but they are there. It is just normal wear and tear, and would take a guy an hour at least to point them all out. Next, the fit and finish is crap compared to today's rides, the good old days were not that good. Now, for the "I'll do all of the prep work and you can just paint it" crowd, who are you going to say painted it? And if your prep work is no bueno, and looks like crap, are you going to put a sign on it explaining? Big can o worms there. The bottom line on a really nice paint job, especially if you want it sanded and buffed so it looks like today's new vehicles, will be an easy 10-15k. If you are getting prices like Maaco, good luck.
@@philsgarage7092 Thank you Phil. It has been 30 years since I messed with a squarebody gate, this was a good refresher, and you got to suffer the aggravation 😉 I hope I didn't sound like I was ranting on the paint/body issue, there are many issues, rhymes and reasons involved, and for Heaven's sake we don't need any more patina rides out there.
I know this is old but this helped me tremendously. Resurrecting an 87 my dad gave up on and let sit for 30 years, whose demised started because the rear glass wouldn’t go up after having the motor replaced. Huge thanks.
I cannot tell you how much these comments mean to me. I am so glad it helped! Now that the window works, what part of the truck are you working on next?
@@philsgarage7092 splitting my time depending on weather. It’s frustrating, as no one part finished (I love how you say that’s how you’re doing it btw I’m so jealous lol), but as of now I’m stuck working outside and it’ll make things seem “fast” as they get completed. Completed rear suspension. Wire wheeling and painting under carriage and frame while gas tank is out, new tank and lines in hand. Rear brakes parts arriving this week so rear brakes will be next week. Front suspension parts in hand, PTSD from cutting rear off keeping me from starting the front 😂
For a smaller victory, should have doors done inside and out this month too.
Have made steady progress over the past 3 months, and without exaggeration, your video helped maintain the momentum to get me to the “point of no return,” where I’m far enough along that I can’t quit AND everything left is achievable.
I know it’s not much but I hope you know doing that video-as frustrating as I’m sure it was 😂-made a huge difference for me.
Helped me out quite a bit, thanks for this awesome video & thanks for supporting Homes For Our Troops.. I see you’ve been to a volunteer day. 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
Glad I found your video. I’ve been debating on doing this with my 76 Suburban. I can’t find a motor for it and I was actually considering converting it to barn doors using the parts from a 78 I have. But seeing how easy this is I’ll just do this. Thanks for the video. Great job.
Damn good piece of info fella thanx, I have a 91 K5 and this is certainly gonna help!
Great video! Thank you for posting it. Future project for my 77 K5
I'm so glad I found this video! I've got a '73 and the window gets stuck and you can feel it slipping in there when trying to crank it up. I think it's just the regulator that needs replaced and I thought it'd be much more complicated than this.
Super helpful video. Converted my electric to manual with ease. Thx again.
I just bought an 88 K5 in February 2021. This video is GOLD! I hate the power window and how loud and slow it is and I will be making this conversion. Thank you!
How did it go? Do you know what parts you used.
I just wanted to thank you for making this video! It helped me out a lot this week!!
Thanks for the comment, Travis. I'm glad it helped!
Absolutely awesome video! Thanks so much for this!
About to tackle this project. Thanks for the vid. 87 Blazer.
And great videos by the way really appreciate them
Incredibly helpful. Thank you sir.
This was extremely helpful. Thanks
Very helpful I converted mine today and thank you!
Great video. Really. Good job
Hey man, seems like your channel is kinda dead these days, but I'm really glad I found this. It's exactly what I needed to figure out how to convert my tailgate. Thanks for being concise and detailed! Hope you keep making videos!
Jordan, thanks a lot for the comment. If I am being honest with myself, then yes, the channel is pretty close to dead. The combination of being joining a startup oil and gas company and having my first child in the last year has left me with little to no free time. That being said I am DYING to get back to working on the truck. I'm considering burning a week of vacation and working on the truck for 7 days straight so I can have plenty of footage to edit and release new videos. Comments like yours are what make me want to pick it up again. Thank you.
Did mine today thanks for posting that, not the easiest thing to do.
Awesome thanks for sharing... Very helpful
This is perfectly explained. Great clip thanks bro!!!
Micah, thanks for your comment. It made my day. If I had my choice, I would be wrenching on this thing every day, but knowing that someone out there is still getting value from it is a great feeling.
Another great video my friend! You'll find those same types of clips on the window weatherstripping on the doors as you did on the tailgate.
+milkcrate82 Awesome! Thanks for the heads-up and all the support!
great video helped me out alot
Thanks for the great info!
Great video thanks
Very helpful Thank you.
I maybe doing this today or tomorrow. Thanks for the drill idea.
Works like a charm, I did it last week!
Man very much for this great job I really enjoyed this video I'm gonna convert it easily
+Ahmad Hasan Alzahrani I'm glad I could help. Good luck with your project!
+Phil'sGarage whens the next episode? Looking forward to following this build!
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Thank you phils garage you helped me so much on how to convert my k5 blazer tailgate, keep making great videos like this
+William Runde Thanks for the support! I'm glad I could help. If there are any other specific projects you want to see, let me know and I will do my best to get them up here.
3:30 THANKS BUD!!
The piece that holds the glass is called the "sash" if you are going to all this trouble, you might as well replace that (they are often rusty, and will break in the middle). Thanks for the video !
Thanks for the input! I had never come across a name for it. I will be sure to replace mine.
thank you so much I was looking forever for a video like this to restore my manual window tailgate hahah 😀
a tip : you can watch series at kaldrostream. Been using it for watching a lot of movies lately.
@Benton Neil Yup, I've been watching on KaldroStream for since december myself :D
Great vid.. I have a 78 jimmy that id like to do the opposite, manual to powered as my next project....
Can we swap parts? I'm looking to make the windows all manual
Good video.. clear!... on the other hand I have an issue when I've installed the window sash... This bar hits the mechanism!... did you have the same issue?
Hi! Been wanting to do this to my K5 Blazer, did you ever get a list of parts you used? Part numbers or at least part descriptions would be a big help, I need to swap to manual as well as replace my half broke handle (yours seems to be the same) Thank you!
Where can I get the rear folding blazer window crank?
Great video and thank you! It would be great if you could list the LMC part numbers you used, what year tailgate that is, and rough parts cost. Otherwise very informative. Keep up the great work.
+1bigbaddaddy You are absolutely right. Let me see if I can throw together a quick video that covers that information for you. Thanks for the feedback!
Order the catalog for your specific truck
Where did you purchase the window regulator? I have the roll up window latch. Need a new regular.
I am trying to repair my existing power tailgate window and I can’t seem to find the mounting bracket for the motor. Any ideas where I could find one? Thanks!
thanks
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Phil..at the 18:48 mark, you guys are making a final adjustment to the locking mechanism..what were you doing? BTW..excellent explanation of how to assemble that beast..hahaha!!
Does the window use the ignition key, or door key?
Great video! I'm having a little trouble with my electric window. Key switch to lower and lift window doesn't work anymore. My window motor works, just needs some work on new rollers, needs new window rubber. If all else fails I will go to manually. Thanks!
same. I just ordered the parts to go manual.
Lmc parts list says the manual window regulator will fit 73’ to 89’ - will this swap work on a 1990 tail gate ? Going from electric to manual
Is there a nut on the screw or what make it connect
Could I get a full list of the parts needed? Or time stamps of the different pages in the order?
What is the chances that you still have the unused cable and motor? I really need the cable and transmission from the electric regulator..
Where did you bought the whole kit?
hey brother desperately need to know what parts I should order to do this..thank u
Anyone know who sells both sides of the glass channel for the tailgate window for the Burb? LMC carries the right side only! LOL
I need that parts list. Can you help me out?
Can i change my 1990 electric tailgate window to manual ?
Are them LMC parts good or are they just junk???
Where do you purchase the regulator?
What year blazer did you order the parts for and do you have a list of all the part numbers? Thanks for the great video! A+
SouthSide Switches my Jimmy is a 1982. I will try to get together a list of parts from lmc, but my fear is that they may change part numbers and make the list obsolete.
Pudo conseguir las piesas o el repuesto??
Will you still be able to use the electric switch in the cab with the new regulator or is 100 percent manual now?
100% manual. Electronics in my truck just weren't reliable.
Oooo how simple cars were made,,
Ah, yes. The good ol days. I couldn't imagine trying to wrench like this on our modern daily drivers.
@@philsgarage7092 are you going to make any more videos about your Chevy?
the cable that make the window go up and down it's hooked up to the drive motor and came off the gear motor
If the cable has come off the gear motor, it is likely because the plastic holding on has broken, and you are going to need to get a new one. I hope that helps.
I need a set of the bottom torsion bar brackets can anyone help me out
Gig-em
I would like this do this to my K5 but i cannot get the back window down because the cable that powers the window regulator unwound itself, Any suggestions?
Cole Crocker are you referring to the blue cable thing he connected the drill too? if so just remove it from the gear housing and replace it with another cable. then the motor can move the window. if your referring to the actual power wires to the motor just remove your tail gate cover and undo the blue colored cable (may not be the same color) as he did and use the drill to raise and lower the window.
I might be dumb, did anyone ask why you preferred to convert to manual vs the electric? I just picked up a functional electric version I might retro fit on a 76….
Great question. The short answer is simplicity and reliability. The ability to get in and out of the back when the battery is dead is also a big benefit.
hey phil got my parts from lmc just wondered you havent show the part number 7 frm lock mecanizm. where that par goes ? if you have time please tell me
madTurk, thanks for pointing that out. I will try to take the time to look at it again and let you know. I think we were just so satisfied to have gotten past that tough step that we forgot to video that last step.
@madTurk can you send me a list of the parts you ordered by chance?
So all that is needed are the parts in that box on page 30 as well as a regulator? Just making sure I get everything I need.
Sorry for the late response. For the conversion to a manual tailgate, yes. Everything you will need is in that box. But don't forget to order new weatherstripping if you cannot get the old one off without damaging it.
Thanks for your question and GOOD LUCK!
Phil'sGarage I️ ordered all of the parts and tried to assemble this evening; however, the clutch doesn’t seem to reach far enough into my tailgate to engage the regulator. Any ideas?
Will the same parts you used work on my 91 K10 blazer ?
Rafe, I looked at the years that LMC truck says the parts will fit. For the manual window regulator, it say 1973-1989. Based on that, I would have some concerns about it fitting. Good luck!
I have a 90 suburban would that be the same type of project if I was going to do that
Did you convert yours? Im curious how it went. I want to do this to my Suburban.
I have a 90 suburban too and I ordered all of these parts but when I put it all together the crank and the regulator didn't make co tact, they're too far apart so idk what to do
Your window crank is upside down, just letting you know . great video .
I thought so too, but the tailgate was upside down during install so it's actually correct
hi I am trying to do this conversion on my 91 k5 and I have ordered all parts needed but my key cylinder will not stay in the slot, it is all the way in and turns the c mechanism but then the cylinder just falls out, also my clutch will not spin freely when it is locked, any ideas of what I could be doing wrong , what hold the cylinder in place from falling out.
Ronald, Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, the installation of the lock cylinder is by far the most difficult part of the whole process. It took me long time to get it to work. All I can tell you is to stay at it and don't get discouraged. Good luck!
Phil'sGarage , yes it seems that way, it is as if it isn't grabbing anything to hold its self in I've checked the part numbers to double check everything, should the cylinder start in place without the pawl or does the pawl have to be in there basically holding it, just trying to trouble shoot, also it looks like there is possibly some uncut metal on the inside but I do not know if I should file it out, it is very thin material
also is the key suppose to turn the entire cylinder or should the key turn within the cylinder
I'm not sure what you meant by the 'pawl'. Help me out with that one.
As far as the key turning in the cylinder, the key should rotate the cylinder that it is immediately inserted into, but it should not rotate any of the other cylinders in which it is place. I hope that helps.
Great video! Btw you should be careful sharing your shipping info and personal info, all of it was on that parts list
Phil My cable snapped at the regulator not motor so I cant use the drill trick to get window up. How can I get to the window up to work on it? Do I have to break window and buy new one? In other words motor is dead and cable is broke behind glass(Window is down) Help!
NO NO! Do NOT break the window. I would not want to go through the hassle of trying to buy/find a replacement. With the back panel of the tailgate removed is it possible for you to get a wrench in there (probably too tight for a ratchet) and undo the bolts that connect the window to the window regulator?
Hi Phil, thanks for replying so quick. Panel was removed, I can only barely see two of the four screws. The two towards the inner tailgate are visible, the two towards the taillights are not really visible. Seems like I'm going to need a very looooong 7/6 wrech and a very thinnnnnn one... Then have a child or someone with very small hands try it. It will also be working by feel mostly basically in the blind. I'll start searching for this special wrench. Is there any other way to get window up? I tried pulling on it, but move the whole truck moves. Thanks Phil.. Your right breaking the window is a last last resort.
JC, when I get back to the garage, I will take another look at everything and see if I come up with any better ideas.
Instead of converting why don’t you trade for my manual tailgate? I want a power window.
what's the best way to hook up the cable
Which cable?
good question
di you get that done ? I have to order a new cable and install it. when I removed the cable from the regulator it sprung up and almost got my finger ,
instead of making a new video for parts used in video. I'd say add the links in the description.
The cable broke with window down how do i get the window out now?
you have no idea how bad i hate this motor windows now i know what to do ,,,,how about converting passinger and driver windows to manual ?? i love to convert mine,,,,thanks
MadTurk, you are way ahead of me, but that is ABSOLUTELY on the to-do list for this project. Spoiler alert: I cheated by going to a junkyard and buying a door that had manual windows from the factory.
i dont know if its ok to ask you but which state you are in ? and do you do work for public?
I am in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex here in Texas. If your question is do I work on people's cars, then the answer is not really. I do this work out of a love for it, but generally on my own project. As I'm sure you know, there is barely enough time for one project vehicle.
oh ok im in tulsa i have a 85 k5 90 ramcharger and 74 nova and all works tagged and insured just little things like that ,,,i just ordered all the part you mention on your video and LMC has all of the 8 parts ,,thank you for the video great information,,
You want to get a new tail gate with power regulator so you can lower and raise the glass while driving
They make new motors in china for 70s American cars for $50 per motor my clam shell Chevy wagon I was able to buy new motors
here is the link: www.lmctruck.com/icatalog/csb/t.aspx?Page=30
Was is this link for? I'm trying to find all the parts I need to order to convert mine and can't seem to find a list anywhere
@@jodilaurie4939 sorry I sold my Jimmy a few years back. I did have the link but not anymore. I ended up putting a normal tailgate (for weight) on it and a really nice soft top on my 86.
@@jodilaurie4939 lmc part for the crank is on back order patr# 38-6588
Good job on the conversion, you and your Helper Ninja made a good video.
As for the body shops and their reluctance to get involved in your project, with well over 40 years experience, I'll do my best to explain. First off, that is at minimum, a 30 year old ride, and will be covered in dents. Small ones that you may not see until it has shiny paint highlighting each and every one, but they are there. It is just normal wear and tear, and would take a guy an hour at least to point them all out. Next, the fit and finish is crap compared to today's rides, the good old days were not that good. Now, for the "I'll do all of the prep work and you can just paint it" crowd, who are you going to say painted it? And if your prep work is no bueno, and looks like crap, are you going to put a sign on it explaining? Big can o worms there. The bottom line on a really nice paint job, especially if you want it sanded and buffed so it looks like today's new vehicles, will be an easy 10-15k. If you are getting prices like Maaco, good luck.
Don, Thank you for your comment. That makes sense to me. It is great to have such constructive and knowledgeable feedback.
@@philsgarage7092 Thank you Phil. It has been 30 years since I messed with a squarebody gate, this was a good refresher, and you got to suffer the aggravation 😉
I hope I didn't sound like I was ranting on the paint/body issue, there are many issues, rhymes and reasons involved, and for Heaven's sake we don't need any more patina rides out there.
Pretty sure you don’t know what you’re doing.