Between watching all your videos on repeat for months, adding in Ace It's techniques and throwing literally every day for 9 months with a couple self form reviews, I'm actually developing a correct backhand and forehand that consistently gains distance at least several times a month. Thanks so much to both of your channels for the amazing content and keep up the good work!!
I found your page after seeing your video on the Overthrow channel where you break down Josh's form. I've been working with Josh for a while and just prior to seeing your video, I saw the "hula-hula" vid that Overthrow did. After several years of hacking on the disc golf course, I finally had a visual that helped me understand the feel of the weight shift. THIS video of yours breaks down the weight shift ALSO into language that I can understand. I appreciate your vivid explanations and in-depth breakdown of the importance of shifting the weight. I wish I had found you guys years ago because no matter how many times I've watched WIll Schusterick's videos or how many articles and explanations I've read online, I never understood how darn important the weight shift was!!!! Thank you for being one of the few coaches who break down the biomechanics into understandable terms and drills that lead to practical application! I'm finally beginning to feel like a disc golfer and not just somebody chucking a frisbee around at a BBQ!!! Much appreciation to you and the guys over at Overthrow Disc Golf!!!
Nice! I really do think the "shift from behind" idea is one of these poorly understood things that or bodies resist, but so important for the backhand. It's interesting you mentioned Schusterick - one reason I got hurt is because I watched his standstill vid over and over, and for the life of me I couldn't figure it out and hurt myself. Part of it was because his body is so different from mine and I can't move quite like him, and part was because I didn't understand how he needed to move his weight to pull the swing off. The more you know!
Just checking in for my weekly view of the full series. Best stuff out there. Best breakdown etc. I am probably not even doing more than 20% correct so far - but still throwing much smoother and much more effortless than before.
Awesome! A few more mini-modules soon to come. Been learning a lot the last couple months and want to share it with you. It will also help fill in some of the trouble spots I went through when developing the first series.
I just recently discovered your channel, and like others, I wish I had found it earlier. I've seen so many tutorials over the years, and I enjoy your instructional voiceover paired with a visual tutorial. Loopghost has a similar teaching style, but for whatever reason, yours seems to resonate with me more. Thank you for putting this content on here for everyone to learn from!
I watched your vids and worked on my form. I was able to get a significant distance increase with minimal effort. The information did more for my form than ALL the vids I had watched over the years. Thanks.
like your approach and needed it a lot. I watshed these vids after your discussion with the Overthrow guys. Can't wait to practice it. Maybe I can get from 90 meters to 120 after all. Despite my 41 years. Specially the loading of the hip and weightshift never got right and understood. I think that's different now. Thank you.
Great stuff. I've been having a real hard time planting and rotating on my heel.i didnt understand how to plant and get a straight leg and i would feel like I was stuck back behind my plant kinda like catrina allen does. It also like stopped my followthrough because of it.It all clicked with ur hammer drill and getting that feeling of falling and how that moves the hips into that position. THANK YOU!
I can feel what you’re portraying. Great vid. However, when incorporating a x step, it’s lost… I think showing with and how to incorporate it with a xstep would be $$$$$
This makes so much sense its frustrating. I was a hockey player when I was young with a decent slapshot. I completely understand this action and what's going on, we did something similar with slapshot drills back in the day, but man, I just can't translate this into a discgolf swing for the life of me. Hopefully it'll click soon.
I think one thing that makes it hard for hockey players is that your body is used to being postured starting a little more open toward the target than the disc golf backhand, and you're not used to keeping the throwing shoulder closed and swinging the arm. For that, Seabas22 has a nice breakdown in his "Hammer Toss Drills - Backhand" vid. Then, you have to get used to "shifting from behind" and dropping your weight into that plant foot, THEN pumping against it like a hockey slapshot to bring the arm & disc toward the target. This stuff is tricky!
@@AceItDiscGolf Thanks, I'll revisit that one and work on it. It also doesn't help that I played hockey left handed, but throw right handed, so my slap shot was backwards. I skateboarded for a good chunk of my life as well, but I skated regular footed, I'd think goofy footers would have an easier time with this, they would initiate many skateboard tricks in a similar way to a RHBH throw.
@@drdefi54321 Glad you mentioned skateboarding- the plant leg "pump" I'm talking about is not unlike pushing off the ground to skate or pumping in a half-pipe. Left-handed hockey might help you develop a mean ambidextrous Backhand someday ^.^
Been using the pendulum swing for a few weeks since catching you on OT. It has definitely helped some of my major timing/punching back issues but I feel like I could use more of a specific road map. Any chance I could email you some throws and get your feedback? I'd definitely Venmo you for your time and expertise!
Great! I have a model now for some more in depth customized remote feedback if you're interested. My style is somewhere between seabas22 and overthrow's and I focus on swing mechanics. Can shoot a request to aceitdiscgolf @ gmail.com and I'll send it to you shortly.
So your hips should be passive, meaning no twisting or opening them up manually. They'll open up independently from the front leg compressing/ decompressing?
I tend to avoid saying "passive" or "active" since people sometimes get confused by how to use the muscles w/ those words. But I think you're onto it - the hips will open as your feet leverage the ground & as you swing with good posture!
Would it be reasonable to suggest that the drills in this specific video would be adequate in and of themselves, I.e. if these drills are regularly used would they “replace” drills from earlier videos? I think most of us would prefer a somewhat limited but efficient set of drills to regularly use for optimum benefit as opposed to a big batch that somehow we need to incorporate in a hopefully ideal way. In short, if I did these drills x-times every y-days, would that serve my progress well (whatever the x and y might be)?
The good news is that there is a "drill for everything" now. The bad news is that I really don't think there's a "silver bullet" as much as I want one. However, I think about this question a lot. Right now if I were pressed for an "efficient" set of drills, they would be Seabas22's Inside swing (posture and alignment), the "one leg" swing you see here (learn to swing balanced & planted on front leg), the weighted "backswing" drill at the end of my vid (make the disc feel heavy & "load the bow"), and Seabas22's Swivel Stairs and Hershyzer drills (transitioning from the rear leg to front leg). That will get you a lot of the way there (with lots of practice). Most people (including me) still need work on posture and body tilt even after they're moving much better.
looks like you are a student of Dr. Kwon. I sent him an email to try to get him to do his analysis of disc golf. The biggest issue is that unlike the ball golfer, the disc golfer is moving and so every thing has to be done dynamically instead of statically. And there's the rub. As far as timing goes, I liken a disc golf throw more to bowing than any other sport. You have to hit that release point while moving. th-cam.com/video/PGXxuAS1Scg/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Kwon and Shawn Clement float around a lot on DGCR and I'm still learning a lot from them and others! I'd be curious what Dr. Kwon says if he replies. This is why I have been patient to learn as much as I can with standstills. I am continuing to work on my x-step mechanics now. As an adult learner especially drilling it until you can't do it wrong is important. And one of the keys is that you should be moving, which you can see emphasized in seabas' Figure 8 Standstill video. The word "standstill" is misleading - you need to learn move perpetually like walking. Then you carry that into the x-step, which usually adds its own issues. seabas also has some good comparisons with bowling: th-cam.com/video/YZIa2XvNsyI/w-d-xo.html
oh yeah. It's all comin together
A Kronk reference... I love it!
Between watching all your videos on repeat for months, adding in Ace It's techniques and throwing literally every day for 9 months with a couple self form reviews, I'm actually developing a correct backhand and forehand that consistently gains distance at least several times a month. Thanks so much to both of your channels for the amazing content and keep up the good work!!
The gold standard of disc golf instruction.
I found your page after seeing your video on the Overthrow channel where you break down Josh's form. I've been working with Josh for a while and just prior to seeing your video, I saw the "hula-hula" vid that Overthrow did. After several years of hacking on the disc golf course, I finally had a visual that helped me understand the feel of the weight shift.
THIS video of yours breaks down the weight shift ALSO into language that I can understand. I appreciate your vivid explanations and in-depth breakdown of the importance of shifting the weight. I wish I had found you guys years ago because no matter how many times I've watched WIll Schusterick's videos or how many articles and explanations I've read online, I never understood how darn important the weight shift was!!!! Thank you for being one of the few coaches who break down the biomechanics into understandable terms and drills that lead to practical application! I'm finally beginning to feel like a disc golfer and not just somebody chucking a frisbee around at a BBQ!!! Much appreciation to you and the guys over at Overthrow Disc Golf!!!
Nice! I really do think the "shift from behind" idea is one of these poorly understood things that or bodies resist, but so important for the backhand.
It's interesting you mentioned Schusterick - one reason I got hurt is because I watched his standstill vid over and over, and for the life of me I couldn't figure it out and hurt myself. Part of it was because his body is so different from mine and I can't move quite like him, and part was because I didn't understand how he needed to move his weight to pull the swing off. The more you know!
Just checking in for my weekly view of the full series. Best stuff out there. Best breakdown etc. I am probably not even doing more than 20% correct so far - but still throwing much smoother and much more effortless than before.
I watch most of them weekly too! I would say I'm about 20% too.
Awesome! A few more mini-modules soon to come. Been learning a lot the last couple months and want to share it with you. It will also help fill in some of the trouble spots I went through when developing the first series.
I just recently discovered your channel, and like others, I wish I had found it earlier. I've seen so many tutorials over the years, and I enjoy your instructional voiceover paired with a visual tutorial. Loopghost has a similar teaching style, but for whatever reason, yours seems to resonate with me more. Thank you for putting this content on here for everyone to learn from!
I watched your vids and worked on my form. I was able to get a significant distance increase with minimal effort. The information did more for my form than ALL the vids I had watched over the years. Thanks.
like your approach and needed it a lot.
I watshed these vids after your discussion with the Overthrow guys. Can't wait to practice it. Maybe I can get from 90 meters to 120 after all. Despite my 41 years.
Specially the loading of the hip and weightshift never got right and understood. I think that's different now. Thank you.
Great stuff. I've been having a real hard time planting and rotating on my heel.i didnt understand how to plant and get a straight leg and i would feel like I was stuck back behind my plant kinda like catrina allen does. It also like stopped my followthrough because of it.It all clicked with ur hammer drill and getting that feeling of falling and how that moves the hips into that position. THANK YOU!
Love this! So much to think about and apply to my swing.
Definitely my favorite teaching channel. Every player at every level can benefit from your lessons. Great content and approach.
I can feel what you’re portraying. Great vid. However, when incorporating a x step, it’s lost… I think showing with and how to incorporate it with a xstep would be $$$$$
X-step ground forces in the queue, check!
This makes so much sense its frustrating. I was a hockey player when I was young with a decent slapshot. I completely understand this action and what's going on, we did something similar with slapshot drills back in the day, but man, I just can't translate this into a discgolf swing for the life of me. Hopefully it'll click soon.
I think one thing that makes it hard for hockey players is that your body is used to being postured starting a little more open toward the target than the disc golf backhand, and you're not used to keeping the throwing shoulder closed and swinging the arm. For that, Seabas22 has a nice breakdown in his "Hammer Toss Drills - Backhand" vid. Then, you have to get used to "shifting from behind" and dropping your weight into that plant foot, THEN pumping against it like a hockey slapshot to bring the arm & disc toward the target. This stuff is tricky!
@@AceItDiscGolf Thanks, I'll revisit that one and work on it. It also doesn't help that I played hockey left handed, but throw right handed, so my slap shot was backwards. I skateboarded for a good chunk of my life as well, but I skated regular footed, I'd think goofy footers would have an easier time with this, they would initiate many skateboard tricks in a similar way to a RHBH throw.
@@drdefi54321 Glad you mentioned skateboarding- the plant leg "pump" I'm talking about is not unlike pushing off the ground to skate or pumping in a half-pipe. Left-handed hockey might help you develop a mean ambidextrous Backhand someday ^.^
Been using the pendulum swing for a few weeks since catching you on OT. It has definitely helped some of my major timing/punching back issues but I feel like I could use more of a specific road map. Any chance I could email you some throws and get your feedback? I'd definitely Venmo you for your time and expertise!
Great! I have a model now for some more in depth customized remote feedback if you're interested. My style is somewhere between seabas22 and overthrow's and I focus on swing mechanics. Can shoot a request to aceitdiscgolf @ gmail.com and I'll send it to you shortly.
So your hips should be passive, meaning no twisting or opening them up manually. They'll open up independently from the front leg compressing/ decompressing?
I tend to avoid saying "passive" or "active" since people sometimes get confused by how to use the muscles w/ those words. But I think you're onto it - the hips will open as your feet leverage the ground & as you swing with good posture!
Would it be reasonable to suggest that the drills in this specific video would be adequate in and of themselves, I.e. if these drills are regularly used would they “replace” drills from earlier videos? I think most of us would prefer a somewhat limited but efficient set of drills to regularly use for optimum benefit as opposed to a big batch that somehow we need to incorporate in a hopefully ideal way.
In short, if I did these drills x-times every y-days, would that serve my progress well (whatever the x and y might be)?
The good news is that there is a "drill for everything" now. The bad news is that I really don't think there's a "silver bullet" as much as I want one.
However, I think about this question a lot. Right now if I were pressed for an "efficient" set of drills, they would be Seabas22's Inside swing (posture and alignment), the "one leg" swing you see here (learn to swing balanced & planted on front leg), the weighted "backswing" drill at the end of my vid (make the disc feel heavy & "load the bow"), and Seabas22's Swivel Stairs and Hershyzer drills (transitioning from the rear leg to front leg). That will get you a lot of the way there (with lots of practice).
Most people (including me) still need work on posture and body tilt even after they're moving much better.
looks like you are a student of Dr. Kwon.
I sent him an email to try to get him to do his analysis of disc golf.
The biggest issue is that unlike the ball golfer, the disc golfer is moving and so every thing has to be done dynamically instead of statically. And there's the rub.
As far as timing goes, I liken a disc golf throw more to bowing than any other sport.
You have to hit that release point while moving.
th-cam.com/video/PGXxuAS1Scg/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Kwon and Shawn Clement float around a lot on DGCR and I'm still learning a lot from them and others! I'd be curious what Dr. Kwon says if he replies.
This is why I have been patient to learn as much as I can with standstills. I am continuing to work on my x-step mechanics now. As an adult learner especially drilling it until you can't do it wrong is important. And one of the keys is that you should be moving, which you can see emphasized in seabas' Figure 8 Standstill video. The word "standstill" is misleading - you need to learn move perpetually like walking. Then you carry that into the x-step, which usually adds its own issues.
seabas also has some good comparisons with bowling:
th-cam.com/video/YZIa2XvNsyI/w-d-xo.html