Great to hear the top-down versus ground-up explanation (among many other details). When I throw truly embarrassing driver shots, it's almost always into the ground. Like, a lot of other factors don't matter if your angle of release says the disc is hitting at 250 feet.
Thank you! This is definitely me. I couldn't figure out why I felt like I was going into a good position and then coming up and releasing very anhyzer. It is definitely this. I went slowly walking last night and realized that I was stepping into my brace and transferring all of my weight immediately into my brace. I will definitely use these tips.
Go watch tips on timing on hitting baseballs, they explain the weight shift combined with rotation pretty well. Not that you did a bad job of explaining it, we all have terms that click better than others with each of our minds, there is just so much more money into researching the kinetic chain in baseball than there is into disc golf at this point and you can find some tips from them that some top disc golfers use too.
Excellent form breakdowns. I think another thing that all these pros do that is closely related, is they keep their head down and behind their front knee all the way through the hit until they follow through. I got a pretty good shoulder coil now on my backswing, I got my front shoulder coiled behind the front knee when I plant, but from there I kinda slide forwards and look up early and when the disc leaves my hand I'm pretty much facing forwards, so I got more to work on.
Thank you 👊 I think the head drift is a cause (and/or effect) of improper weight transfer as well. It's one of the big things I'm working on in my personal form too- we'll get there!
Great channel and awesome content first off. How you slowed down the weight shift showed me some power I was transferring way early. Worked in the yard this afternoon and was getting my Proxy and Pure around 230 or more off slowed down 1 steppers. Keep up the great work man!!
Yeah they are but it definitely helps stay coiled and achieve better timing. Easily the best weight shift video I've seen yet. Keep up the great work bro.
I`ve complimented you before on the format, i really think instructional video`s lasting 6-10 minutes are the best way to learn new form. Very impressed with your level of knowledge and ability to explain tecnique to a wide audience, this is an incredible powerful tool for people wanting to improve. I am a coach in my local club and often recommend your videos to our members, its a great way for them to practice on their own. One single piece of critisism, i really dislike it when people put exaggerated supprised/angry/sad faces in the video thumbnail. That said i am just an old man who doesnt know what the kids like these days;-). Keep up the great work, looking forward to watching this channel grow!
I couldn’t agree more with this pet peeve. I won’t click on Robbie C or, lately, Six Sided Discs channels because the video thumbnails almost always have some closeup silly face; I previously liked some of the content from both, but I’ll usually just pass if the teaser clip looks like the behavior of some sixth grader on a school bus. It’s a WAY overused technique of clickbait, and not just on disc golf channels…I imagine “the algorithm” suggests it for content creators, but it’s just so old already.
@@misterinquisitive3113 The worst example is Trash panda! I support what he's doing, and it's really cool. But those faces man.... I cannot watch any of his content.
Small piece of advice on this try the door frame exercise. Grip the door frame as you extend your leg. Gripping the door frame keeps your weight back and forces the coil. Then do the same movement away from the door frame. From there shift your weight forward onto the front leg BUT MAINTAIN THE COIL. Don't open the hips or move the arm yet. Then throw the disc. The hand should come through the throw elbow forward faster than the rear shoulder. Once you have the feeling of this weight shift and delay in the arm smooth the movement out.
the good ol' McBeth pole drill! (iirc he said Feldberg taught him?) Classic. And as you illustrated, it can be a great exercise to teach this feeling 👍
Great video! Leaning forward into my foot plant is the habbit I'm working to break. For some reason my upper body likes to follow closely behind my plant foot coming out of my X step 🤷♂️ Oh, I've really been enjoying the Cicada I won in the giveaway yall had a few videos ago 😉
well hopefully these queues help with that journey 👊 I'm glad you're enjoying it! NGL there have been times where I regretted giving it away haha, it felt and flew great
I appreciate that 👊 I've been muddled up and confused by a lot of things in the disc golf form universe over the years so when I find something that makes sense to me I like to share the "aha" moments
A good visual image for me is watching Paul throw max distance. His x step looks like a dance as he keeps his weight back through the full run (or dance) up. As opposed to an off balance wobble back and forth.
Their brace legs also look internally rotated while their back legs look as if they are facing the camera directly (at least this is what it looks like to me). Their back legs are definitely not facing backward. The positions at 7:20 are interesting because they all get into a nearly identical place at this point in the throw with subtle differences. The direction their faces are looking vary slightly, but their heads are all centered between their legs for the most part.
This instruction is so high level. The slingshot stuff is helpful, but complex and more specific to what one player is doing. You've nailed this with the best explanations ever. Bravo Sir!!!
Appreciate it 👊 I think the slingshot guy teaches a lot of correct outcomes, but I sometimes find myself wishing he had used different terminology. Everyone is a little different, though. This way of looking at it makes more sense to me, glad it's helping others too!
Drew is somewhat of an outlier because he's 5'9" or 10 with a 6'5" wingspan ( according to internet data). He's able to coil further without contorting his body unathletically. All of the analysis is sound, just don't want people to try and emulate that particular form because it's physically unlikely
I don't know that wingspan affects his coil, though... he could have a 4'5" wingspan and his shoulders would still be in the same position. The position (and speed) of the disc would change, but the center of his body wouldn't
It sounds like your talking about what Slingshot already figured out, that everything comes from the back leg. He has a video that has already talked about "tipping over" and falling on the frong leg. I agree with this and dont understand how people feel like getting on the front allows them to throw with anything but their arm
I agree with the end result of most of what he teaches, I just don't love the way he describes some different aspects of the throw. Which is fine, to each their own. Everyone will have something that clicks with them better/worse than other things. As far as the front foot throw, I think most people aren't consciously thinking about it, they just end up too far forward too early. I'm trying to get people thinking about it though haha (as is SSDG)
Great to hear the top-down versus ground-up explanation (among many other details). When I throw truly embarrassing driver shots, it's almost always into the ground. Like, a lot of other factors don't matter if your angle of release says the disc is hitting at 250 feet.
Thank you! This is definitely me. I couldn't figure out why I felt like I was going into a good position and then coming up and releasing very anhyzer. It is definitely this. I went slowly walking last night and realized that I was stepping into my brace and transferring all of my weight immediately into my brace. I will definitely use these tips.
Go watch tips on timing on hitting baseballs, they explain the weight shift combined with rotation pretty well. Not that you did a bad job of explaining it, we all have terms that click better than others with each of our minds, there is just so much more money into researching the kinetic chain in baseball than there is into disc golf at this point and you can find some tips from them that some top disc golfers use too.
completely agree
Great points bro!! Also, that all orange Lore bag with the all orange discs has me.... 😍
Ah, a man of culture. #orangediscsflybetter
Excellent form breakdowns. I think another thing that all these pros do that is closely related, is they keep their head down and behind their front knee all the way through the hit until they follow through. I got a pretty good shoulder coil now on my backswing, I got my front shoulder coiled behind the front knee when I plant, but from there I kinda slide forwards and look up early and when the disc leaves my hand I'm pretty much facing forwards, so I got more to work on.
Thank you 👊
I think the head drift is a cause (and/or effect) of improper weight transfer as well. It's one of the big things I'm working on in my personal form too- we'll get there!
Great channel and awesome content first off. How you slowed down the weight shift showed me some power I was transferring way early. Worked in the yard this afternoon and was getting my Proxy and Pure around 230 or more off slowed down 1 steppers. Keep up the great work man!!
Love it! Those 1 step drills take a lot of discipline (I just want to throw hard and far), but they're sooo good for achieving proper form
Yeah they are but it definitely helps stay coiled and achieve better timing. Easily the best weight shift video I've seen yet. Keep up the great work bro.
Maybe I go too soon from one step drills into full run ups, but I feel like I always have trouble transferring things from one to the other.
ive been stuck at 400 feet forever. And i think you are on to something im doing wrong, thanks for this channel!
I’m stuck at 200. No reason for you to be frustrated 😂
I`ve complimented you before on the format, i really think instructional video`s lasting 6-10 minutes are the best way to learn new form. Very impressed with your level of knowledge and ability to explain tecnique to a wide audience, this is an incredible powerful tool for people wanting to improve. I am a coach in my local club and often recommend your videos to our members, its a great way for them to practice on their own. One single piece of critisism, i really dislike it when people put exaggerated supprised/angry/sad faces in the video thumbnail. That said i am just an old man who doesnt know what the kids like these days;-). Keep up the great work, looking forward to watching this channel grow!
Really appreciate the kind words, thank you!
Thanks for the feedback, I'm still trying to figure out what works best for the ol' algorithm
@@ArmoryDiscGolf totally! Whatever gets you more clicks👍
I couldn’t agree more with this pet peeve. I won’t click on Robbie C or, lately, Six Sided Discs channels because the video thumbnails almost always have some closeup silly face; I previously liked some of the content from both, but I’ll usually just pass if the teaser clip looks like the behavior of some sixth grader on a school bus. It’s a WAY overused technique of clickbait, and not just on disc golf channels…I imagine “the algorithm” suggests it for content creators, but it’s just so old already.
@@misterinquisitive3113 The worst example is Trash panda! I support what he's doing, and it's really cool. But those faces man.... I cannot watch any of his content.
I did enjoy this video, by the way; good job!
Simon's timing is just so perfect, he makes it look sooo effortless.
His form is the dream. He's makes it look so easy but it's so hard to emulate 😩😅
What a great lesson definitely worth my subscribe !
Wow thank you for putting your findings into words. I watch this video but i will hve to dissect it later.
Small piece of advice on this try the door frame exercise. Grip the door frame as you extend your leg. Gripping the door frame keeps your weight back and forces the coil.
Then do the same movement away from the door frame. From there shift your weight forward onto the front leg BUT MAINTAIN THE COIL. Don't open the hips or move the arm yet.
Then throw the disc. The hand should come through the throw elbow forward faster than the rear shoulder.
Once you have the feeling of this weight shift and delay in the arm smooth the movement out.
the good ol' McBeth pole drill! (iirc he said Feldberg taught him?)
Classic. And as you illustrated, it can be a great exercise to teach this feeling 👍
@ArmoryDiscGolf Wow thanks for the history of that advice.
This is good. I've been trying to think about keeping the weight back on the back leg but never thought about the shoulders being the reference point.
Yeah I think I'm the past I've actually tried to keep my weight back while throwing my shoulders forward, which is counterintuitive
Great video! Leaning forward into my foot plant is the habbit I'm working to break. For some reason my upper body likes to follow closely behind my plant foot coming out of my X step 🤷♂️
Oh, I've really been enjoying the Cicada I won in the giveaway yall had a few videos ago 😉
well hopefully these queues help with that journey 👊
I'm glad you're enjoying it! NGL there have been times where I regretted giving it away haha, it felt and flew great
Your best content is mechanics and teaching and those aren't easy things to do well or communicate.
I appreciate that 👊 I've been muddled up and confused by a lot of things in the disc golf form universe over the years so when I find something that makes sense to me I like to share the "aha" moments
Everyone figuring out this hip thing. 👍🏼
With all these 15 year olds throwing 500 we've gotta figure something out 😂
Liked this. Thank you.
great breakdown! i’m glad i didn’t have to watch 25 minutes to get the right points across.
Thanks 👊 I try to be concise- I'm naturally a rambler, had to cut out chunks of my thoughts in this one haha
Really loving your last two videos!
Appreciate it! These have been fun to make
A good visual image for me is watching Paul throw max distance. His x step looks like a dance as he keeps his weight back through the full run (or dance) up. As opposed to an off balance wobble back and forth.
Their brace legs also look internally rotated while their back legs look as if they are facing the camera directly (at least this is what it looks like to me). Their back legs are definitely not facing backward. The positions at 7:20 are interesting because they all get into a nearly identical place at this point in the throw with subtle differences. The direction their faces are looking vary slightly, but their heads are all centered between their legs for the most part.
This instruction is so high level. The slingshot stuff is helpful, but complex and more specific to what one player is doing. You've nailed this with the best explanations ever. Bravo Sir!!!
Appreciate it 👊
I think the slingshot guy teaches a lot of correct outcomes, but I sometimes find myself wishing he had used different terminology. Everyone is a little different, though. This way of looking at it makes more sense to me, glad it's helping others too!
I actually think this could be pushed even further to say that your shoulder should be behind your front hip, rather than just your front knee 👍
You live Orange Discs? Me, too❤
this is the way.
Drew is somewhat of an outlier because he's 5'9" or 10 with a 6'5" wingspan ( according to internet data). He's able to coil further without contorting his body unathletically. All of the analysis is sound, just don't want people to try and emulate that particular form because it's physically unlikely
I don't know that wingspan affects his coil, though... he could have a 4'5" wingspan and his shoulders would still be in the same position. The position (and speed) of the disc would change, but the center of his body wouldn't
great video thank you, p.s. you know 6' 12'' is 7 feet lol
Thanks! I do know 😉
It sounds like your talking about what Slingshot already figured out, that everything comes from the back leg. He has a video that has already talked about "tipping over" and falling on the frong leg. I agree with this and dont understand how people feel like getting on the front allows them to throw with anything but their arm
I agree with the end result of most of what he teaches, I just don't love the way he describes some different aspects of the throw. Which is fine, to each their own. Everyone will have something that clicks with them better/worse than other things.
As far as the front foot throw, I think most people aren't consciously thinking about it, they just end up too far forward too early. I'm trying to get people thinking about it though haha (as is SSDG)