Federal HST's never disappoint . Was surprised at the velocity of the 45 short barrel. Both rounds were outstanding. We live in the golden era of high performance ammo. You prove it with your great testing.
Man! I had to go back and review the cross section cuts, stills & recovered diameter of the vid again. That 45 doesn't cease to impress. The fact that 45 doesn't shrink is so understated when you observe a 0.90 inch recovered bullet that reaches to 12" in gel. I can see a full size contest in the works. Thank you Sir.
The large surface area of the 45 makes up for the low velocity. No one can dispute it's effectiveness as a manstopper. Your homemade gel is a bonafide ballistic analysis tool. It accurately captures every nuance of the permanent wound channel "energy signature" vs other testing mediums. One could teach a class interpreting each detail and how it relates to caliber, velocity and projectile design. Just one look at magnum results and you know. Awesome work brother 👊
Thank you buddy, always appreciate and look forward to ur comments. Thank you for being such a awesome supporter of the channel, can't thank u enough!! I hear ya on the Gel, it's a lot of work but totally worth it for these tests. Like I always say, I have a blast making and sharing these videos. Ones of these days I will do a comparison between the clear and organic gel, would be a fun test. Anyways. As always thank you very much for checkin it out my friend. Plenty comin😁.
Beautiful gems. These are exactly what we carry in our 9mms & our 45s. In our crude media tests these outperformed all other bullets. At one time we had 3 S&W Shield 45s as primary or secondary carry in our family. We started with 230 Gold Dot standard but tested the Critical Duty and switched to it. But after testing the Critical Defense & this +P HST it was obvious with what our 45s were going to be filled. We too achieved between 910 & 920s which thrilled us. 3 of my daughters now carry 9mm so I keep them well stocked with These 124 +P HST also. I prefer larger caliber and harder hitting myself but I can't argue with HST results even in a short barrel 9. Great comparison, test, results & demonstration. One of the best , if not the best out there. Many thanks.
Very cool, I've heard u mention it before but what do u guys like to use for ur test media? All those that u mentioned are great rounds. I have done the standard pressure 230gr GD back when I was using jugs, and it did pretty good. I will eventually test it in gel to see how it does in the shorty barrel. I've been surprised on how well everything has done in the gel lately, very satisfying. The one I haven't done or tried yet is the CD in .45. I'm sure it will do great though, and get some pretty good penetration. Guess imma have to test it soon. Great choice on them all. They are very well armed. Thank u as always my friend!! I really do appreciate it very much, I'm glad that u enjoy the tests and appreciate all the support u have given since we started. I always look forward to ur comments. Thank you again, take care buddy!!
@@AzAirgunner. Excellent. We have used water jugs, wet paper(usually "newspaper") dry paper & then sand(as fine as possible) then recover the bullet and observe expansion & penetration(in paper & water) we have never used gel. Look forward to future tests. Stay safe.
Really appreciated what you have done here, Bravo🎉 Not many youtubers are actually testing these defense/LF rounds WITH SHORT BARREL pistols which are ideal/common for MOST everyday carry😊
The 9 still did good. It would definitely do it's job. I like 9mm for self defense because that's the caliber I shoot best and micro 9s are comfortable and have high capacity.That 45. was vicious though. Awesome test!
The way I see it as far as the capacity argument goes, each .45 slug is basically the same amount of lead into the target as 2 115grn 9mm loads. So a 45acp that holds 8 rounds of 230grn is the same amount of lead as a gun with 16 rounds of 9mm. Take that however you like but that’s also why I carry .45. More lead on target in fewer shots.
@@mikerobinson8734 Last night I was riding my bike near the mountain preserve here in Phoenix and I came across some javelina and they scattered, I took out my CZ 9 loaded with 20 rounds of Gold Dot 124+P in case I was closing in on some of the babies and the adults came back out & tried to mess me up. 45's a great round but I'd take 20 vs 8-10 every day. Also, this is only one example of 9 vs 45, there are many other's where they're much closer, check out "9mm vs 45ACP We end the debate. The human torso test.''
Let's take a moment to appreciate how both of these rounds improve your chances of surviving a defensive shooting. Ball rounds can certainly kill, eventually, but the amount of disruption a single HST inflicts is much more likely to end the fight. Yes, the .45 is devastating, but the HST makes the 9mm actually "not suck". Someone that cannot handle the recoil of the .45 due to smaller stature, age, or perhaps an old injury but can handle a 9mm has a better option than what was available just a few decades ago. Consider your loved ones and how this might be of benefit.
@@thephantomzoneboxing It’s a more effective man stopper. 44 magnum, 10mm & 45 acp have been known to down grizzly bears in Alaska. I’ve never heard anything bout 9mm doing that. You can research it & even watch Chuke from Chukes great outdoor TH-cam channel discuss it. I think if you shot a grizzly bear with a 9mm you’d just piss him off more. 45 has double the mass of a 9mm- basic physics!
I’ve recently upgraded to the .45 HST +p over the original hydra-shok for my .45s. I’ve had several boxes of the originals that I finally just went and shot after buying a couple dozen of the HST. I’d had the older stuff for a few years, have used it since the 90s in my Commander carry gun. I’m got 940-980fps out of my 4.25 barrel in the 60 rounds I feed it just to ensure feed reliability. We were seeing 940(2 rounds)-990s in the 5” barrels.
The 45 ACP Federal HST 230gr +P is what I carry for duty (Glock 21). For EDC, I carry HST 230gr rounds in my G30S. Your results are very close to what I experience.
It's an age old Q that's been answered. Temp cavity is not relavent to handgun wounding mechanisms. The per cavity will be larger, but not enough to make enough difference to the great capacity and reduced recoil the 9mm, knowing ALL pistol ammo in common duty loads are poor man stoppers - when all modern ammo makers following FBI protocols. That's why most PDs, FBI, etc, etc went back to 9mm. .45 made a big comeback when states limited capacity to 10rnds. In those states, yes, I'd take 10rnd of .45 over 10rnd of 9mm. Otherwise, no.
I have never heard a combat veteran carrying a 1911 say that 45 ball was a 'poor man stopper'. You are biased because you personally carry 9mm and want to justify it. It's well known that agencies went to 9mm because of cost, not because it was just as good. They only say that because they needed to justify the move to 9mm without everyone knowing it is an inferior defense round.
Agencies went to 9mm because the girls hands can not wrap around a big grip. In was in Law Enforcement when the 9mm became popular. The fbi even admitted it but then crawfished.
I love the 45 acp. My 45 shield is my EDC. 8 rounds in a small gun. Yes it is short on fire power that is why i carry a spare mag. That is enough firepower for self-defense.
I just bought a second FN FNX 45 tactical to run suppressed (my other is modified to run 460 Rowland). I usually go to Underwood or Buffalo Bore, but the Federal HST seems more than adequate. Thanks for the test.
And the endless war between .45ACP and 9mm continues unabated as the casualties line up. 45ACP and 9mm cartridges: "Can we all just...just...get along?"
Thank you very much!! Ya I hear ya, I really enjoy using and making the real stuff. It's definitely a lot of work but totally worth it. Thanks again buddy!! Plenty comin😁.
.45 for the win. Say what you will about.45 there is no denying it’s a much more effective round than 9mm. The capacity argument is nil as 8 rounds of 45acp 230grn is the same exact amount of lead as a 9mm handgun with 16 rounds of 115grn. My carry choice is the Glock model 30 a compact 45 with 11 rounds on tap, that’s equivalent to 20 rounds of 9mm 124grns of lead.
Hell yeah man I agree with you I'm a 45 man myself but I do prefer the 45 super or the 450 snc for defensive purposes but , but then again I definitely would feel confident with the 230 grain HST
@@GregoryAlcorn-o3g 45 super is so underrated and goes un appreciated. The mainstream will say that the 10mm is the most powerful semi auto cartridge when they end up replacing the barrel and recoil springs to accommodate the “full power 10mm loads” when you can do the same to say a Glock 21 45acp and run 45 super with near 44 magnum ballistics. If you handload you can drive a 230grn up to 1350fps out of a 45 super. 45 has much more potential, more kinetic energy, momentum than the 10mm. Just my 2c
best ammo tester on YT now short barrels kinda suck in any caliber except it seems .357Sig with the right loads anything under 400fpe especially...all the same. the .45 did significantly better with 439...still rather see 450 and especially 500 out of defense loads. but for a 230gr this is definitely the head of the class from this subbie it's really too bad federal doesn't make a +P in 200gr or so
@tom-cd8fv well considering over 30 years experience with firearms, law enforcement and terminal ballistics... Maybe you're right a 9 mm projectile, that weighs less, creates a smaller wound cavity, and has less kinetic energy can do "just as much damage as a 45 ACP", just like the FBI says. However, that is comparing new 9 mm technology to 45 ball ammo. Look at a quarter, the compare it to a dime... Side by side... A fully expanded 9 mm is about the same size as the dime. A fully expanded 45 is about the same size as a quarter... Which does more damage... Also most of the actual medical personnel I know, who work in or have trained in trauma hospitals, say something along the lines of 9 mm victims come into the ER running their mouths about what they're going to do to the guy that shot them... Those shot with 45 are usually unconscious. 9 mm is adequate for self defense, 45 is optimal.
when people repeat shot placement as trumping bullet size, what theyre failing to realize is bullet diameter and total crushed tissue wound volume is PART OF SHOT PLACEMENT. An "ok" hit with a 9mm that nicks an artery could be a GREAT fight-stopping hit with a 45 that completely severs the artery by virtue of it's larger diameter and permanent cavity. I won't dispute that 9 has faster split times and holds more ammo, and 45's tend to be bigger, heavier guns, but the wounding and barrier penetration of the 45acp+p between 900fps and 1000fps in 230 grains is unsurpassed by any other service caliber shot for shot.
A lot of people shit on 45 but little do they know the 9mm was designed for wounding also 45 has a higher one shot drop % but I carry 40 bc the % is higher than both but second choice would be 45 and I love love LOVE 9mm but inside a house I would rather use 40 or 45 now out in the field for sure a G17 or a CZ-75
The 40 is only higher in the case of the 45 standard pressure 45 + p or anything above blows the 40 caliber clean off the map and if you wanted to dispute that read your statistics or ask any professional and I'll tell you but I do like the 40 caliber got one myself Alpharetta great carry gun far better than any 9 mm
Can you do Underwood .40 SW 135 grain vs 155 grain XTP? These are the two most powerful rounds out of a .40 and around 580Ft/lb of energy out of a 4” barrel. The 155 grain has a high BC rating compared to 9mm or other weights for .40 so it would be cool to see them compete.
This 124+p is my chosen round when I carry a 9mm and that expansion is outstanding, that being said, the expansion of the .45 is just sick. Az, a question. Based on how the recoil impulse felt to you, do you feel that rapid follow up shots would be a problem with the.45 versus the 9?
Personally no, I do shoot a lot of .44 mag and bigger calibers though. You can definitely notice a difference, that .45 rises quite a bit more than ur standard 9 specially with that shorty barrel, but still manageable. 9 is very easy to completely keep on target without loosing ur sight picture compared to .45. You will be a lil slower with follow ups but not by much.. hopefully I answered ur question lol. Thanks as always buddy!!
Using a 45 you're not going to need very many follow-up shots with that man, the 45 is just a beast there's no doubt, if you're using a 45 super or 450 SMC they got more power more foot pounds in a 10 mm enough said
Col. Jeff Cooper once wrote that the 45 was the caliber you hoped a 9mm would expand too. So why shoot the 9mm. After seeing this I couldn't imagine ever being hit by either one.
9mm is a great round it’s my girlfriends carry choice and is a proven performer but this video among others proves it is not created equal to .45 bigger hole = deadlier round and this is especially the case with handgun rounds as they are not created equal to the devastating effects of shotgun or rifle rounds generally youre depending on the size of the bullet hole and you’re shot placement to stop a fight with handguns and there is a reason .45 is very well known for doing just that stopping fights
Were you really expecting any other result? I didn't think so! This has been shown over and over, no matter what the test medium, be it gel, clay or wet newspapers! The only possible people who would argue this point are the ignorant or maybe a couple of surgeons, each standing in front of a dead body, one killed with a 9mm and the other killed with a .45! Still, in the end, I know which one I'll pick, any day, every day, and thank you anyway! Sure, the 9mm usually works. With the same ammo, so does the .45. However, with everything else being equal, as in the ammo type, etc., I can miss a little more with my .45 and still put the bad guy on the ground than someone with the 9mm. If I miss a little with the 9mm, the guy still might be able to shoot me, even if he dies later. And yes, I know I could miss by a little too much with the .45, too. But personally speaking, I am going to take *every advantage* I can get, even if it's just a little one! Great test, keep it up! Cheers, jc
The age old argument over which is "better" 9mm vs .45acp is not really a valid absolute argument. These are really tools in the tool box. Each round has strength and weakness. So really take take into account and figure out what round works better for your situation.
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A wise man once said, " A 9mm may expand, but a 45acp will never shrink." I love my 45 pistols. Great video
Thank you buddy!!
Is that the same one that said "I wish I had 9 rounds, not 19"? ;)
I wise man also said all this is meaningless if you can't hit the target.
@@realamerican1825.45 sux
Was not expecting that temporary wound cavity from 45. Impressed
It's an HST lol there impressive in all calibers lol
Right, same here. Was pretty suprising. Thanks for checkin it out!!
That's a 'huge stretch cavity'... 😉 Damn! 😅
. 45!!!!!! Both did well but this is another test that proves why I am 100% a .45 guy. Thanks for the video!
Thank you I appreciate u checkin it out!!
45 for the win. Dam i could imagine if that was a 5-inch barrel 1911
more speed "can!" make effect worse..
Yep. Reduced penetration.@@Hamish_Whitehaven
@@Hamish_Whitehaven True! But it will help when hitting bone.
HST never disappoints
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Federal HST's never disappoint . Was surprised at the velocity of the 45 short barrel. Both rounds were outstanding. We live in the golden era of high performance ammo. You prove it with your great testing.
Thank you buddy, I appreciate ya!!
Kinda dispels all the internet BS about .45s sucking in short barrels don’t it.
that .45 HST is beyond impressive…. .90 caliber expansion!!! Good Golly Miss Molly👍👍
The bigger the hole you put in a boat the faster it sinks.
Man! I had to go back and review the cross section cuts, stills & recovered diameter of the vid again. That 45 doesn't cease to impress. The fact that 45 doesn't shrink is so understated when you observe a 0.90 inch recovered bullet that reaches to 12" in gel. I can see a full size contest in the works. Thank you Sir.
The back light of the sun really helped illustrate.
The large surface area of the 45 makes up for the low velocity. No one can dispute it's effectiveness as a manstopper. Your homemade gel is a bonafide ballistic analysis tool. It accurately captures every nuance of the permanent wound channel "energy signature" vs other testing mediums. One could teach a class interpreting each detail and how it relates to caliber, velocity and projectile design. Just one look at magnum results and you know. Awesome work brother 👊
Thank you buddy, always appreciate and look forward to ur comments. Thank you for being such a awesome supporter of the channel, can't thank u enough!! I hear ya on the Gel, it's a lot of work but totally worth it for these tests. Like I always say, I have a blast making and sharing these videos. Ones of these days I will do a comparison between the clear and organic gel, would be a fun test. Anyways. As always thank you very much for checkin it out my friend. Plenty comin😁.
Beautiful gems. These are exactly what we carry in our 9mms & our 45s. In our crude media tests these outperformed all other bullets. At one time we had 3 S&W Shield 45s as primary or secondary carry in our family. We started with 230 Gold Dot standard but tested the Critical Duty and switched to it. But after testing the Critical Defense & this +P HST it was obvious with what our 45s were going to be filled. We too achieved between 910 & 920s which thrilled us. 3 of my daughters now carry 9mm so I keep them well stocked with These 124 +P HST also. I prefer larger caliber and harder hitting myself but I can't argue with HST results even in a short barrel 9. Great comparison, test, results & demonstration. One of the best , if not the best out there. Many thanks.
Very cool, I've heard u mention it before but what do u guys like to use for ur test media? All those that u mentioned are great rounds. I have done the standard pressure 230gr GD back when I was using jugs, and it did pretty good. I will eventually test it in gel to see how it does in the shorty barrel. I've been surprised on how well everything has done in the gel lately, very satisfying. The one I haven't done or tried yet is the CD in .45. I'm sure it will do great though, and get some pretty good penetration. Guess imma have to test it soon. Great choice on them all. They are very well armed. Thank u as always my friend!! I really do appreciate it very much, I'm glad that u enjoy the tests and appreciate all the support u have given since we started. I always look forward to ur comments. Thank you again, take care buddy!!
@@AzAirgunner. Excellent. We have used water jugs, wet paper(usually "newspaper") dry paper & then sand(as fine as possible) then recover the bullet and observe expansion & penetration(in paper & water) we have never used gel. Look forward to future tests. Stay safe.
Really appreciated what you have done here, Bravo🎉 Not many youtubers are actually
testing these defense/LF rounds WITH SHORT BARREL pistols which are ideal/common for MOST everyday carry😊
Thank you I appreciate u checkin it out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
The 9 still did good. It would definitely do it's job. I like 9mm for self defense because that's the caliber I shoot best and micro 9s are comfortable and have high capacity.That 45. was vicious though. Awesome test!
Thank you sir!!
The way I see it as far as the capacity argument goes, each .45 slug is basically the same amount of lead into the target as 2 115grn 9mm loads. So a 45acp that holds 8 rounds of 230grn is the same amount of lead as a gun with 16 rounds of 9mm.
Take that however you like but that’s also why I carry .45. More lead on target in fewer shots.
@@mikerobinson8734 Last night I was riding my bike near the mountain preserve here in Phoenix and I came across some javelina and they scattered, I took out my CZ 9 loaded with 20 rounds of Gold Dot 124+P in case I was closing in on some of the babies and the adults came back out & tried to mess me up. 45's a great round but I'd take 20 vs 8-10 every day. Also, this is only one example of 9 vs 45, there are many other's where they're much closer, check out "9mm vs 45ACP We end the debate. The human torso test.''
Let's take a moment to appreciate how both of these rounds improve your chances of surviving a defensive shooting. Ball rounds can certainly kill, eventually, but the amount of disruption a single HST inflicts is much more likely to end the fight. Yes, the .45 is devastating, but the HST makes the 9mm actually "not suck". Someone that cannot handle the recoil of the .45 due to smaller stature, age, or perhaps an old injury but can handle a 9mm has a better option than what was available just a few decades ago. Consider your loved ones and how this might be of benefit.
Two great loads from Federal. I'll take the .45 any day over the 9mm. Great job AZ.
Thank you sir!!
why 45 over 9mm?
@@thephantomzoneboxingthe heavier 45 has more energy retention because of its weight. And can crush through thick bones better than 9
@@danielaramburo7648 but can get 147gr 9mm +p think that start makin things equal
@@thephantomzoneboxing It’s a more effective man stopper. 44 magnum, 10mm & 45 acp have been known to down grizzly bears in Alaska. I’ve never heard anything bout 9mm doing that. You can research it & even watch Chuke from Chukes great outdoor TH-cam channel discuss it. I think if you shot a grizzly bear with a 9mm you’d just piss him off more. 45 has double the mass of a 9mm- basic physics!
Thank you for another great video that 45 really impressed me 😮
Thank you buddy!! Same here, wasn't expecting that at all. It's definitely growing on me lol. Those hst's are nasty.
Yikes !!! That 45 stretch cavity is insane. I carry a XDS 45 so Im definitely gonna oick some of these rounds up. Awesome comparison.
HST proves itself yet again. That 9 mm looked just fine. But that 45 is absolutely massive !😮 I'm definitely getting some soon.
I carry those +P HST's in my XD compact. Glad to see such an impressive performance out of the short barrel. Great test...thanks!
That 9 is perfect, but the .45 looks perfecter. Looks like a fucking lead tarantula!
THANK YOU for a real world demonstration of these two rounds! You routinely provide excellent test and presentations!
Thank you buddy, I appreciate that a lot!! I really enjoy making and sharing them, I have a blast. Thanks again!! Plenty comin😁.
I’ve recently upgraded to the .45 HST +p over the original hydra-shok for my .45s. I’ve had several boxes of the originals that I finally just went and shot after buying a couple dozen of the HST. I’d had the older stuff for a few years, have used it since the 90s in my Commander carry gun. I’m got 940-980fps out of my 4.25 barrel in the 60 rounds I feed it just to ensure feed reliability. We were seeing 940(2 rounds)-990s in the 5” barrels.
Very useful comparison for those of us that might want, or need to be carrying very compact guns.
The 45 ACP Federal HST 230gr +P is what I carry for duty (Glock 21). For EDC, I carry HST 230gr rounds in my G30S.
Your results are very close to what I experience.
It's an age old Q that's been answered. Temp cavity is not relavent to handgun wounding mechanisms. The per cavity will be larger, but not enough to make enough difference to the great capacity and reduced recoil the 9mm, knowing ALL pistol ammo in common duty loads are poor man stoppers - when all modern ammo makers following FBI protocols. That's why most PDs, FBI, etc, etc went back to 9mm. .45 made a big comeback when states limited capacity to 10rnds. In those states, yes, I'd take 10rnd of .45 over 10rnd of 9mm. Otherwise, no.
I have never heard a combat veteran carrying a 1911 say that 45 ball was a 'poor man stopper'. You are biased because you personally carry 9mm and want to justify it. It's well known that agencies went to 9mm because of cost, not because it was just as good. They only say that because they needed to justify the move to 9mm without everyone knowing it is an inferior defense round.
Agencies went to 9mm because the girls hands can not wrap around a big grip. In was in Law Enforcement when the 9mm became popular. The fbi even admitted it but then crawfished.
Federal HST ammo is a favorite of mine in my 4-inch 9mm and my 6-inch 45acp.
I love the 45 acp. My 45 shield is my EDC. 8 rounds in a small gun. Yes it is short on fire power that is why i carry a spare mag. That is enough firepower for self-defense.
I was considering the S&W 45 shield. I think that this test showed that it and the HST might be excellent together.
I just bought a second FN FNX 45 tactical to run suppressed (my other is modified to run 460 Rowland). I usually go to Underwood or Buffalo Bore, but the Federal HST seems more than adequate. Thanks for the test.
Nice, bet they are sweet shooters. Thank you, I appreciate u checkin it out!!
HST going to HST! Just tested the NEW 357 HST from 3" and the standard pressure 125 from a micro! Carrying Federal right now
And the endless war between .45ACP and 9mm continues unabated as the casualties line up.
45ACP and 9mm cartridges: "Can we all just...just...get along?"
Great test! I appreciate the trouble of using real gel... I don't really trust the clear ballistics tests. Thank you!
Thank you very much!! Ya I hear ya, I really enjoy using and making the real stuff. It's definitely a lot of work but totally worth it. Thanks again buddy!! Plenty comin😁.
Either one will hurt...Coke vs Pepsi. Rum vs whiskey. Ford vs Chevy. Plus P is ideal for shorties.
They'll both get er done
.45 for the win. Say what you will about.45 there is no denying it’s a much more effective round than 9mm.
The capacity argument is nil as 8 rounds of 45acp 230grn is the same exact amount of lead as a 9mm handgun with 16 rounds of 115grn. My carry choice is the Glock model 30 a compact 45 with 11 rounds on tap, that’s equivalent to 20 rounds of 9mm 124grns of lead.
Hell yeah man I agree with you I'm a 45 man myself but I do prefer the 45 super or the 450 snc for defensive purposes but , but then again I definitely would feel confident with the 230 grain HST
I also like the Hornady critical duty 220 grain plus p
@@GregoryAlcorn-o3g 45 super is so underrated and goes un appreciated. The mainstream will say that the 10mm is the most powerful semi auto cartridge when they end up replacing the barrel and recoil springs to accommodate the “full power 10mm loads” when you can do the same to say a Glock 21 45acp and run 45 super with near 44 magnum ballistics.
If you handload you can drive a 230grn up to 1350fps out of a 45 super. 45 has much more potential, more kinetic energy, momentum than the 10mm. Just my 2c
You stated that perfectly man
Dude nice video. I have liked all the videos. I hope you keep it up
Thank you very much I appreciate that, and appreciate the support!! I'm glad u enjoy them. Thanks again my friend!! Plenty comin😁.
I just bought a Glock 17 Gen 5 but damn this is making me want to buy a G21 or carry my 1911 with this ammo. Jesus Christ that 45 round is gnarly
Will there be potential for 5.7 in the future?
Possibly, I've definitely been thinkin of gettin one. Well see. Thanks for checkin this one out!!
best ammo tester on YT now
short barrels kinda suck in any caliber except it seems .357Sig with the right loads
anything under 400fpe especially...all the same. the .45 did significantly better with 439...still rather see 450 and especially 500 out of defense loads. but for a 230gr this is definitely the head of the class from this subbie
it's really too bad federal doesn't make a +P in 200gr or so
I agree with you 100% maybe even a 185 , Hornady makes a good 220 grain Plus p critical duty
That 45 tells no jokes.
I bet this is going to be another great video,
"The Great Debate! "
Thank you buddy!!
Temp stretch on pistol doesnt do much tearing. Have ho bd mobing 2000fps or more
You cut up a cotton shirt for a ballistic test? That stuff is like gold. Where'd you get it?
This is a good test . 9 vs 45.I have that same canik.
Thank you buddy!! Nice, thats awesome. I really like mine, runs great.
Nice to see videos on these secondary SD calibers. 🤣
Plato: “Only the dead have seen the end of the Caliber Wars,”
I got a CZ 97 b I got a DPM recoil system I use 450 SMC and 45 super awesome setup man
By the way great video
I would like to see the HST in 200 grain! Were is the clothing?
45 is always a better choice than 9... if you don't have issues (arthritis, grip strength, etc)
@tom-cd8fv well considering over 30 years experience with firearms, law enforcement and terminal ballistics... Maybe you're right a 9 mm projectile, that weighs less, creates a smaller wound cavity, and has less kinetic energy can do "just as much damage as a 45 ACP", just like the FBI says. However, that is comparing new 9 mm technology to 45 ball ammo. Look at a quarter, the compare it to a dime... Side by side... A fully expanded 9 mm is about the same size as the dime. A fully expanded 45 is about the same size as a quarter... Which does more damage...
Also most of the actual medical personnel I know, who work in or have trained in trauma hospitals, say something along the lines of 9 mm victims come into the ER running their mouths about what they're going to do to the guy that shot them... Those shot with 45 are usually unconscious.
9 mm is adequate for self defense, 45 is optimal.
when people repeat shot placement as trumping bullet size, what theyre failing to realize is bullet diameter and total crushed tissue wound volume is PART OF SHOT PLACEMENT. An "ok" hit with a 9mm that nicks an artery could be a GREAT fight-stopping hit with a 45 that completely severs the artery by virtue of it's larger diameter and permanent cavity. I won't dispute that 9 has faster split times and holds more ammo, and 45's tend to be bigger, heavier guns, but the wounding and barrier penetration of the 45acp+p between 900fps and 1000fps in 230 grains is unsurpassed by any other service caliber shot for shot.
You ain’t fighting zombies….
Bullshit, the .357 SIG performs better than the .45 ACP
@@crypticreality8484Who cares this 9mm vs 45ACP
If you're only "ok" at shooting, you probably don't want limited capacity like with the 45.
A lot of people shit on 45 but little do they know the 9mm was designed for wounding also 45 has a higher one shot drop % but I carry 40 bc the % is higher than both but second choice would be 45 and I love love LOVE 9mm but inside a house I would rather use 40 or 45 now out in the field for sure a G17 or a CZ-75
The 40 is only higher in the case of the 45 standard pressure 45 + p or anything above blows the 40 caliber clean off the map and if you wanted to dispute that read your statistics or ask any professional and I'll tell you but I do like the 40 caliber got one myself Alpharetta great carry gun far better than any 9 mm
I personally cant imaging anyone shot with either could detect a few mm of wound cavity either way...
Can you do Underwood .40 SW 135 grain vs 155 grain XTP? These are the two most powerful rounds out of a .40 and around 580Ft/lb of energy out of a 4” barrel. The 155 grain has a high BC rating compared to 9mm or other weights for .40 so it would be cool to see them compete.
Next time I put in a order I'll make sure to grab some for a test.
@@AzAirgunner. looking forward to seeing it! Definitely try it in a 4” barrel and a longer one too if you have one. Thanks mane!
I only have a revolver but after watching this, if I ever do get a semiauto it'll be a 45.
Badass,45,all,day
That 45 wound channel is nasty.
This 124+p is my chosen round when I carry a 9mm and that expansion is outstanding, that being said, the expansion of the .45 is just sick. Az, a question. Based on how the recoil impulse felt to you, do you feel that rapid follow up shots would be a problem with the.45 versus the 9?
Personally no, I do shoot a lot of .44 mag and bigger calibers though. You can definitely notice a difference, that .45 rises quite a bit more than ur standard 9 specially with that shorty barrel, but still manageable. 9 is very easy to completely keep on target without loosing ur sight picture compared to .45. You will be a lil slower with follow ups but not by much.. hopefully I answered ur question lol. Thanks as always buddy!!
@@AzAirgunner. thanks buddy and yes sir, you did answer my question. Keep up the outstanding work.
Using a 45 you're not going to need very many follow-up shots with that man, the 45 is just a beast there's no doubt, if you're using a 45 super or 450 SMC they got more power more foot pounds in a 10 mm enough said
That’s pretty impressive. 45 usually doesn’t perform that well out of a short barrel
How reliable is that MC9?
It's been 100% not a single issue or malfunction and I've put about 700+ Rounds through it. It's a keeper.
Sorry about the comment there that was supposed to be a reply to another fellows comment about the 97 cz
I hate they stop making the 147+p 1050 FPS it was a nice loading
I know right, I hear ya. Wish I would've picked some up before it happened. Would have been some good testing.
Col. Jeff Cooper once wrote that the 45 was the caliber you hoped a 9mm would expand too. So why shoot the 9mm. After seeing this I couldn't imagine ever being hit by either one.
45 acp
I dont want to get shot by either of that ammo 😮💨
I bet we are both picking the same one.
💪💯 I bet we are lol. Thanks buddy!!
9mm is a great round it’s my girlfriends carry choice and is a proven performer but this video among others proves it is not created equal to .45 bigger hole = deadlier round and this is especially the case with handgun rounds as they are not created equal to the devastating effects of shotgun or rifle rounds generally youre depending on the size of the bullet hole and you’re shot placement to stop a fight with handguns and there is a reason .45 is very well known for doing just that stopping fights
Two world wars lol.
What are you laughing about the Nazis carried the 9 mm punk boi, my little sister carries a 9 mm
Just like my wife always says for penatration an to really feel it. Size matters.
I’ll take the 9mm
You go right ahead you better carry a lot of ammo and a lot of backup magazines on your ass boy
These give me 1360fps and 1030fps from 8" cmmg Banshee
Were you really expecting any other result? I didn't think so! This has been shown over and over, no matter what the test medium, be it gel, clay or wet newspapers! The only possible people who would argue this point are the ignorant or maybe a couple of surgeons, each standing in front of a dead body, one killed with a 9mm and the other killed with a .45! Still, in the end, I know which one I'll pick, any day, every day, and thank you anyway!
Sure, the 9mm usually works. With the same ammo, so does the .45. However, with everything else being equal, as in the ammo type, etc., I can miss a little more with my .45 and still put the bad guy on the ground than someone with the 9mm. If I miss a little with the 9mm, the guy still might be able to shoot me, even if he dies later. And yes, I know I could miss by a little too much with the .45, too. But personally speaking, I am going to take *every advantage* I can get, even if it's just a little one!
Great test, keep it up!
Cheers,
jc
Would've been cool if you had a G26 with the 3.42" barrel instead of the 3.1"!
The age old argument over which is "better" 9mm vs .45acp is not really a valid absolute argument. These are really tools in the tool box. Each round has strength and weakness. So really take take into account and figure out what round works better for your situation.
45 proven round
Both guns could kill humans