Best (so far) BUDGET Bi-Directional Scan Tool - For DIY and PROFESSIONAL
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Link to part 2 (field testing follow up) th-cam.com/video/MRE7jKXlwco/w-d-xo.html
So I watched both videos and you sold me. So I went to the website to order one, but they don't seem to have a page to order straight from the factory. do you have a link to access the discount and st. jude donation? I really didn't want to have spend $1K on a scanner, Danner, but it looks like if I'm going to fix my own stuff it's a must. Thanks Buddy, you're an excellent instructor by the way. Looks like I might need some training to update my knowledge bank.
@@bobgamble405 Thank you Bob. Here is what I posted in the description and in the comments "10% of the proceeds will be donated to St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, using promo code DANNER (not a discount code)
For pricing and information, here is the link to the Phoenix
www.topdon.us/collections/professional-series/products/phoenix
they might as well call it " St Satan's " .. St Judes Hospital is an obomination to God ( Jesus Christ ) ..putting draino/battery acid in children and chemo treatment....
cancer is EASILY curable ....for less than 50 bucks....no Docter ( from Hell ) Ever needed.....much peace and love Jay : )
@scannerdanner can you do a review of the topdon artidiag pro? It's a corded bidirectional full function under $500 I'll probably have bought it before you read this comment but it might be an even better budget minded diag tool. I'm hoping the live data delay/response and layout/function of the data sets is comparable...4hrs left till the current amazon sale ends so I'm just gonna go for it....
Im buying one. Im not a mechanic Im an IT network guy. If I were a mechanic id want to be like you. Your troubleshooting skills remind me of myself when working in my field. I haven’t been to a mechanic in over 5 years and ive done a lot of work on my 13’ Tacoma TRd sport. Youre honestly the most humble and passionate mechanic ive ever seen working and your teaching skills and methods are phenomenal. Keep up the good work my brother!
Thank you so much! The Phoenix Lite 2 is out and it's on sale right now too.
It's a bigger tablet. Not sure if it does the network topology or not. But it's just under $700 on Amazon right now.
www.amazon.com/shop/scannerdanner
I get a small commission btw for this link, but I don't push tools. I stand behind this one, I really do
I'm buying one. I'm not a mechanic but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. If I were a mechanic I'd want to be like you. Your trouble shooting skills remind me of my dear aunt Gladys, may she rest in peace. She made great tamales.
@@josephnavarro3620😂😂😂
A 13' Toyota needs work done 😱😱😱
@@josephnavarro3620 lol
I was literally just now watching videos on TopDon scan tools and after hitting the back button to see more videos on the youtube home page, yours just popped up. Great Timing!
Best automotive electrical channel on TH-cam period! And from what he does to help out so many trying to get into the automotive industry, he doesn't get enough recognition. This is what should really be on television channels like Motortrend
Thank you so much! Just seeing this now. Truly appreciate this comment
@@ScannerDanner True stuff, you're constantly giving away, helping charities, giving discounts, and uploading free videos to TH-cam. You share your knowledge, expertise, and experience with so many. Your way beats the hell out of flow charts. And producing videos on the level you and Caleb does on top of all that truly deserves more recognition than you guys will receive.
@@singularautomotive3542 sharing this with Caleb now
I'm looking for one for my husband. Will this program to delete the o2 sensors? He has a cat back system on his gto.
Used your code at checkout. Thanks for spreading the good.
I also want to mention that their customer service is PHENOMENAL. I was having an issue, so I called them and real humans picked up the phone after a couple rings. Then they just used remote access on the device to drive everything themselves. Very impressed with the customer service. Definitely worth some of the purchase cost to know that there’s a real company with real support.
Awesome! Great to hear and thank you for sharing!
Best unboxing ever, not worst! Shows some of the issues that don't seem to make it into other unboxing videos.
I love your straight up honesty when you, like me, mess up. I would have done the same thing and started playing with the connections. And probably broken that little connector.
Thank you for your teaching spirit and patience in helping educate your viewers. I thoroughly enjoy your content and I’m a ScannerDanner follower and ‘disciple’
You are so welcome. Thank you!
10% of the proceeds will be donated to St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, using promo code DANNER (not a discount code)
For pricing and information, here is the link to the Phoenix
www.topdon.us/collections/professional-series/products/phoenix
Definitely looking forward to future videos! My late Grandmother loved St.Jude and we do too! 💕
This tool os looking intriguing! Really looking forward to seeing you use this more!
Thanks for sharing SD, Love your work😍
Stay Safe & Blessed Guy's❤
Hell yea Danner ive been waiting for you to narrow down the good scanners for us man been waiting to buy a good one ive asked you for help in the passed & you've give me advice thank you cant wait
This one is it. I'm a huge fan
Thanks for helping others with your code.
Ordered one! Can't wait to use it.
Looks very much like the Launch X431 Pro Mini and works identically. You dont need to graph data pre recording. You can graph any pid that was selcted that was recorded and look at the saved file as a graph or numerical.
I have the latest x431 pro but find myself using the mini when I have to rush out to do a quick check on a customers vehicle.
Its an awesome tool for this
I am a DIY guy and also have the X431 Pro Mini, mine is a few years old. It has a ton of features and seems to communicate with every module on every car I've tested it on, but one thing is bugging me. It has the option for deactivating and activating Mercedes SBC brakes, but I've never been able to successfully deactivate SBC on my 2005 E320CDI 4matic. And that is probably the function I need most often from a scan tool. I usually have to dig out the Xentry clone, which does the job but it's slow and clunky and I'd much prefer to use the X431 if it would succeed. Have you successfully deactivated SBC with X431 or Topdon?
What are the pids ?😮
Love your choice of charity!
Thank you
Thank you so much. I need some scanner's for my used car techs. We end up with everything.
Looking forward to see you work a problem with the tool
Love what I'm seeing!
Capture is so important.
My Ethos Pro is about 8 years old now, tho I won't get rid of it yet, I'm looking at this seriously as another tool.
Thanks for the video, Paul looking forward to more info on this tool
Danner your a great person god bless you
Thank you scanner Danner for your videos I wish you and Eric, the car guy who is doing the scanner together video except for the one at nine years ago. Lol but I love your videos you’re the man.
SD is forever the greatest thank you and your son great info.
Awesome to hear that it's going to Saint Jude Research
Best unboxing ever. I despise unboxing videos and this was so right on hilarious.
I don't like to do them either, thought I'd bring something real to one. Thanks!
Looks promising. I went with an Autel MaxiDAS DS808 years ago for my DIY work. It's got bidirectional control for at least '05 and up(tested on an 05 Frontier and 06 350Z). I was also able to bump the idle of my 05 Frontier up to around 800 rpm when the cabin picked up a nasty harmonic vibration from an exhaust replacement. The magnaflow replacement exhaust didn't have the harmonic damper weight on it. For older cars, it can't do much. No bidirectional control on my '96 Z28. I use an old Tech 1A I got off Ebay with a mass data cartridge that goes to around 2002 if I recall right. I needed it to cycle the ABS modulator to get air out of it that would not move no matter what I tried.
Always a joy to watch mr danner 👍🏻🍻
Yes the extension cable is paramount for keeping your dongle
I've used the old model, ArtiMini as my main tool for a couple of years.
I got 3 years updates with mine so no subscriptions to pay out during that time.
awesome video brother, I have a 08 silverado. so I was stoked to see that you have the same truck.
Definitely the funniest unboxing ever.
Been turning wrenches for almost 12 years and ive worked some cheap shops that would refuse to buy good scan tools nice to see there a new option thats affordable cant wait for the next vid see that scanner in action 👏👍
Alright Paul awesome tool!! Plus all your funny statements very entertaining...
thank you Paul i just got a Phoenix lite 2 and i cant wait to use it i know it has to be better then my other scanner cause it has bi dictionaries i needed this for so long thanks again !
awesome! Great choice!
Launch seemed to be the first 'releaser' of this software, which is now used by Thinktool and TopDon. It's probably just one Chinese company that's leasing the software to whomever wants to use it. My Launch has the same wireless dongle and case (just in a different color). It works well but I discovered a fuel trim graphing refresh bug that's yet to be fixed with an update (it's just an annoyance, doesn't affect diagnosing.
The story I heard from 2 good sources is that the owners for the Launch brand are the same 2 brothers that own THINKTOOL and TOPDON (not sure if it's true).
@@Auto-Tech I wouldn't doubt it if it is true. I have the Launch X431 Pro Mini and it is identical to the Topdon Phoenix Lite, with the exception of color. They even both appear to come with all of the same adapters in the case.
I could also swear, the Zurich ZR Pro I got through Harbor Freight, I think uses a variant of the same dongle and software, just with a bit less refined interface (graphing could be better and no topology or network maps). But I paid $1100 dollars for mine at the time. But as far as the functionality goes, I would swear it is the same as the Launch and the Thinktool.
. Was nice to see someone else struggling with all the adapters and their hook up. I was starting to question my ability (and sanity). I recently purchased a Thinktool scanner and I was in the same boat. The manual was unhelpful to say the least.
I have this unit that unit but it is called X431 PRO I . As a diy this is a great tool . You should glance at the directions sometimes. I love how it chirps if you leave the dongle. But this upgraded unit seems better. Maybe I can upgrade
thanks so much for the video paul. Regards
Xtool has some badass bi-directionals too and the price is beautiful.
In the second video Danner says there's no comparison between the topdon phoenix and the xtool d7 d8 etc between the loading speeds and live data layout and a few other notes Danner said he found the xtool unusable in comparison
Thanks for this video!
Device seems promising . Would like to see a initial global scan when (gateway module or bcm ) is offline to judge real speed of scan . Background data logging is definite plus . Looking to replace my MS906
Sorry In advance but I have to correct you. It’s St Jude Childrens Research Hospital, not St Judes.
The reason this is important is because the hospital belongs souly to the children. That’s a big part of who they are. Also to everybody who buys one of these using that code, Thank You! The cost to run st Jude exceeds a million dollars per day and every last piece of research they do is available to all cancer research facilities for free. They are making a real difference and this is a really cool way to give. Just another reason I love this channel
Did I have it wrong in the description?
I have been waiting for one that could program brake and engine systems on Jeep and Toyota’s may be buying this
My Autel MS906 PRO records all PIDs even if I don't hit the record button. I'm not sure if it saves the recording once I leave that screen unless I hit the record button but as long as I'm on that screen I can scroll back to the point when I first brought up that information.
The port on the scan tool is storage for the dongle aka VcI aka DLC
Mac, Launch and Topdon all run this software on their tablets now. Ive used all 3 and they seem to be identical,
JOB WELL DONE SIR....KEEP IT UP............
System Scan and Health Report; just have one right?! Or am I missing a reason for them being separate? 😅 I get the same on my Launch based tools.
Thanks Paul. I need to know what I can or can't get for my money. I haven't decided yet on scope/scan tool. Looks like autel is out. I like snap on but I thinking they're too pricey!.
Thinkcar, thinktool, launch are all basically the exact same platform and adapters. Ive been using launch for years and it seems the think tools do a little more. Ive seen thinkcar platinum having ld and hd capabilities and cables right from the box and also network topography. That makes me drool a little. I believe it has been discussed before in TTG.
Thanks for the video
Like a reality unboxing... but still a good review of the product. Thanks
This was really funny 😂😂 thank you!
The unboxing part was the best diagnostic video you've ever done.😋😋j/k
I picked up the Autel MK808 and it doesn't do bidirectional that I can tell but if I ever have to dig that deep into my vehicle it's goin to the man anyway.
It does now with a software update
@@x01e I was wondering about that. $175ish for the update last time it bitched at me. Might be worth it.
Pine Hollow Diagnostics, Ivan, has been using the Think Tool ProS for quite a while now and seems to like it. It has the module topology when scanning. I would have to have that. 😂
yeah, I have been eyeing that one for the same reason
Love my Thinkcar Thinktool Pros. Been using it for almost 1 yr now and it hasn't let me down
Got the phoenix plus and its worth every penny.
Would love to see Paul playing with the Phoenix plus as that seems to be a more in depth "pro" tool with the topology and other features. I've had my eye on one for a few weeks now. Having a hard time deciding between the Phoenix plus and the Launch x431 pro3s+.
The phoenix lite is “discontinued due to stock exhaustion”. They have a pro, elite, and smart.
What did I tell ya about plugging in cables in the storage port?
Ta not to!
Good stuff Professor.
Happy Motoring.
I'd be interested to see if this tool can deactivate and activate SBC brakes on Mercedes. I have a Launch X431 Pro Mini that seems very similar to this and it has the menu option to do it, but the procedure has never been successful when I tried.
Nice! What does the Phoenix Plus offer compared to this? I am going to buy either one.
i need this man. i want to get better. have fun.
Thankyou Paul for a very interesting video, do you know if the phoenix does injector coding by any chance, best wishes, Chris.
Not sure my friend
Wondering if they have a windows application to look at the PIDs in there and graph stuff out???
If the Topdon is like the Autel it includes all those OBDI connectors but doesn't support OBD1. I've got a box of adapters with my Autel that never work on OBD1 cars because they don't support OBD1.
I bought the Launch x431 pro3+ recently and I am constantly trying to understand it so that I can use it to it's full potential. The problem with any of these scanners is that none of them have good instructions. Not even online. Other than already knowing everything there is to know about scanner's, does anyone know where to find good instruction on how to get the most out of these scanners?
Excited to see it in action, been looking for a tool like this!
Nice video thank you
Do this tool have injector actuation for toyota corolla? I am using 2 types of Scanners one is launch X431 and 2nd is Rayan a iranian scanner for locally made cars. The iranian tool has actuation controll for fuel pump,injectors,coil spark so on. But the launch that iam usingg for japnese cars did not have these Actuation and i Really could not work on launch as i work with Rayan scanner. I wish i could have a Scanner like launch with all those controll.
Thanks, Gracias 👍
What do you think about the foxwell nt680 or nt710? Or the blue point eecr3a ? Looking for something inexpensive that has live data capabilities
Does the Autel MS996BT do anything that this can't? Like programming keys or anything else?
I have a Launch X431 Pro Mini and it looks identical in shape and characteristics to the Topdon Phoenix Lite you just showed, just different color. In fact, the exterior design and onscreen features are so close, it looks like one was copied from the other, all the way down to the handle, holder for the dongle, and start up button on the side looks exactly the same. They both appear to come with all the same adapters as well. The Home Screen was slightly different but the vehicle selection and Health Report are the same with the exception that the Topdon showed green text for pass and red text for fail, while the X431 Pro Mini shows black and red text. Other than that, I would have thought you were trying out the Launch X431 Pro Mini Bi-directional Scantool...they are that close and appear to have the same features based on just the little bit I saw in this video. If so, then the Topdon should also be able to program keys and transponders.
I've heard this from others too! Probably similar to how OTC will make a scan tool then license it to Matco and Mac and Cornwell with different names on it?
On the Launch X431 there is borescope software. I plugged in my cheap USB borescope and it works great with the included software.
@@bobdavidson6144 Nice! I hadn't realized that yet.
SDMs are different part number on GMs with side curtain airbags.
Thanks a lot Paul =)
What’s a good diy tool for resetting cvt deterioration date ?
Will this tool cycle the scr heaters on a Duramax and or other diesels?
Looks promising! Hopefully their tech support, software updates, etc are too‽
I bought the key programmer and they were very responsive helping me with a software issue. Was quite impressed.
I've got the topdon Proscan. Under $100 and it looks very similar with bidirectional control. So far like it for the price
The top scan Bluetooth dongle has bi directional and it's $80 on Amazon. How does that stack up? Also foxwell makes some scan tablets with bi directional control for 200-300 there just seem to be too many similar options out there and most people want to find the most bang for the buck. HF has Zurich scanners which are basically rebranded Innova but what's the best option under $200? And is the ≤100 top scan a good\pro grade option? Right now I just upgrade from a POS actron orange scanner to the $60 craftsman with live data and battery\charging system testig but I want a bi directional scanner without spending an arm and a leg
So fun!!
IM FIXXING TO GET A FOXWELL AUTO MASTER PRO SOON ,WAS WONDERING YOUR INPUT ON THESE LOW TO MID PRICED SCANNERS ?
Can this reset modules and programme individual modules?
Hey Danner trying to find out this same scanner that you review on this video but when I typed it in on Amazon and on eBay another bigger model comes up did they don’t make this scanner anymore ??
Thats kul though havent got one yet
Bt i like one
And can have sales at our country.
Really its good
Does this top don scanner does these reset the alcohol content mine is at 9.4% code is 172 bank 1an bank 2 is 175 stft --5 ltft -25 b1 an b2 is stft is -5 an ltft is -25 can i disconnect the battery to reset
Tell Topdon some one there can't spell "Australia". (look under "Holden") Unfortunately it doesn't do my truck (Australian delivered '99 Holden Suburban) which I believe I need a Tech 2 GM Australian version for. Would that be right?? I just can't find a Bi Directional Scanner for my truck! Good info though!
Just purchased one of these and am awaiting shipping.. awesome review.. just wanting to know is the difference between the lite version just the extra cables. Cheers
Yes sir, just the extra cables and no case
It is a compatible for 2003 CL500 Mercedes that has ABC active body control do it do rodeo in calibration
What do you think of the iCarsoft?
The yellow adapter cable is used on Fiats
I bought the Autel ms906 with all the adapters. However even with the adapters, the scanner will not read anything before 1996 obd2! I have a 1990 obd1 Gm c1500 truck. How can I make it work to use this bidirectional scanner to do what I bought it for. Any advice will help since AUTEL basically just told me I am screwed. Please help!
Wow, I wish I would have seen this video before purchasing my Autel MS996BT. Not taking anything away from the Autel I have but I could've saved a lot of money.
Just got one on Amazon for $55. I was about to pull the trigger on a $500 Autel but saw this video. Just set it up with a Samsung Galaxy and tested on 2011 Ford F-150. A few hiccups to figure out how to get it going but then the info was just like large scanners. I'm happy at this point.
The one for $55 is not the pro version. The pro is $99 and has immo functions. Not sure what else is missing on the one you bought.
@@ScannerDanner Dang, I would have spent the extra in a heartbeat. I don't find the pro model on Amazon. It looks like it would also do some tire sensor work. Thanks for pointing out the difference.
Paul, in the future after some real-time usage, can you make a video of what the tool will not do or does not seem to do very well please. Maybe also compare two tools, one other with this one, if the TOPDON does not do something then your other non-expensive tool did do the job, much appreciated. These 2 tools seem to do most everything. Please include older vehicles also as I see you saying that SO does old stuff better than others but its big money for that. Laters.
We have a video lined up for next week on a case study using the Phoenix. I don't really do tool reviews like others, you'll just see it in action as time goes on
This will not do ODD1 if that’s what you are asking, it’ll do non generic obd2 like the bmw pac man etc if that makes sense.
Link to part 2 (field testing follow up) th-cam.com/video/MRE7jKXlwco/w-d-xo.html
Looks exactly like my Launch X431 Pro Mini.
Which scan tool will scan the 07cls550 for the air ride system
Anyone have any suggestions for a scan tool in this price range that works well with Subaru?
Hey Paul geetings from PR. hope you're good ,the thinktool pro is tha same platform but have more features and is not expensive compared to known brands like snapon but i have being doing a lot of research and the only thing that stand snapon apart from all the others like autel topdon thinktool is the guided test info that it has built in and i check it out and that info is provided from Mitchell. Thaslts why some of the snapon scantoll have the shopkey software built in ,just sharing a bit of knowledge.Keep doing well God Bless you !!!
Does the guided tests require a separate subscription?
@@mikesautomotivediagnostics8080 nop
@@kenniefernandez isn't the thinktool thinkcar?
Mine arrived today and I have a few thoughts about it so far, both good and mixed. I have yet to hook it up to a vehicle so keep that in mind. This is also my very first scan tool that I've purchased so if the following experience seems like I'm being nitpicky that's probably why. Also be aware that if you get the Phoenix Light it DOES NOT come in a fancy carrying case. I looked on the website, after opening the box just to double check, and the product sheet(which is the exact same link) for both devices shows nothing about a carrying case. My research lead me to believe the difference between the two was that the Light did not include OBD-1 cables/adapters, which I didn't need. I now know that the Light is literally Light-er :) Anyway, on to my first impressions:
Firstly, it came with 5% charge which I'm pretty sure is the lowest I've ever seen on a brand new battery. I did email them about this because I felt that it was a weird decision on their part.
Secondly, once I updated the device and got to the point where I could do a diagnosis I needed to register the device to the server, which is fine I get it. Note: Password special characters are limited to "@" and "_" otherwise you can't register, so now I have a new password that I don't use elsewhere. Once I entered my "PRIVATE&CONFIDENTIAL" code it refused to go to the next screen and displayed no error. At this point I'm worried the code wasn't going to work. I force close the app and reopen it to be told to enter my code again to which the same thing happened.. Would not proceed to the final registration screen. Thankfully it didn't force me to redo the first registration screen(account/password/etc.). Nevertheless, I restarted the device and all is well once I reopened the diagnostic app.
There also doesn't seem to be any haptic feedback(the vibration when you make selections) and yes I have browsed through the LIMITED settings. It does come with chrome installed as well as es file explorer and a few other useful apps. The OS is actually a custom ROM from what I can tell, which I guess is typical for android based scan tools? I know this seemed quite negative but I'm going to push through, and I'm hopeful the diagnostic side will be smooth without any bugs. I've got two vehicles that need some love(money light and poor idle) so I will definitely update this comment once I've actually used the thing for what it's designed for. I'm still excited to put this thing to work and learn some new things about my vehicles.
If you're reading this @ScannerDanner, thank you for the video review. I used your promo code so I hope that got you something and not just St. Jude's.
The promo code is not for me. I make nothing from this one, and I didn't want to. I wanted it all to go to something good. Thanks!