My Last Gaming Laptop - Framework 16 Full Review
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Can manufacturers finally get it right when it comes to upgradeable gaming laptops? Framework wants to try with the Framework 16, featuring a DGPU that only takes 6 screws and a few minutes of your time to swap out.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:25 Modular
2:25 DGPU Removal
3:25 Keyboard Issues
5:02 Speakers
6:05 IO
7:45 Repairability
9:02 Benchmarks
12:39 Battery and Thermals
14:18 Webcam and Mic
14:45 Display
15:32 Price
15:57 Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Yeah, I might do that
somehow im 4th
im so excited
never been this early
To echo what Jake said in the end about living with non-ideal keyboard and display:
My Framework 13 AMD arrived with one always-on red pixel right in the middle of the screen. That wasn’t great, but, what I noticed was that I was not _super_ mad about it, because, if it were any other laptop, there would be nothing I could do except for returning it, while with the Framework I could keep the laptop and decide what to do later - in the worst case buy a new display myself and replace it. So that’s a big shift in mentality when you know that, even if something is not perfect, you can and, in fact, are encouraged to fix it.
(I ended up contacting the support, asked them nicely, and, even though their official warranty only covers 2+ always on pixels, they were kind enough to send me a new display, installing which took like 10 minutes and now my laptop is absolutely perfect. Shout out to Framework’s support!)
not to mention even if you had another brand laptop with 20+ pixels missing entirely, covered under warranty, out of the box, you'd spend at least a month haggling with customer "support" just trying to get the screen replaced only to have them ship you an entire new laptop. god forbid you have data on there.
@@animal579good point about the data! I was thinking, even if Framework doesn’t send a new display, yes, I still can return the laptop if I want, and I’ll just pull my SSD out and throw it straight into another laptop.
LTT won't pin this
I think you should have returned it. Maybe EU life spoiled me, but that's your right to have the device you paid for.
@@helloukw You probably haven't pressed "Read more" on my original comment...
It was about time someone came up with an easily interchangeable GPU for laptops. Most of them are basically un-upgradable
It was already a thing in the mid 2000s.
They were called "white books" but the form factor could not be enforced and the concept was killed.
This is just a rehash.
Next week Linus will review the new craze, disco.
So swinging.
Alienware did before Dell locked down the bios. Swapped a gt240 for a gtx280 but couldn't upgrade a gtx 560m to a gtx 660m.
@@QortalkYeah, but those were dettachable cards inside the thing. Having to acess the motherboard was probably one of the reasons why they were extinct.
@@Goatferyeah, those cards were sick, but I think it wouldn't have lasted anyways because you had to actually acess the mobo to dettach the thing. But damn, that had so much potential... It was as simple as it gets (except for the part you had to open the laptop to acess it oc)
It's happened a few times, but they've rarely been supported for more than a generation or two
3:25 14:45 15:20
As an update to these points, Framework has just recently sent out an email to their Framework 16 preorder holders in which they specifically call out these issues/concerns stating that a color gamut concern will be tackled via a driver update that press units didn't ship with, the display alignment issue will be fixed for consumer units simply because to get press units shipped, they bypassed that particular step of quality control in the manufacturing process, and finally they acknowledged the keyboard deck deflection and noted the work around deployed by LTT and will be investigating ways of improving the rigidity of the deck and if a new revision must be made, they will make the improvements and ship the necessary parts required to deploy the fix to customers who's units have already shipped.
Overall, love to see this response from Framework, it just further illustrates their care for the product as well as their customers and shows that they don't shy away from taking into account user/reviewer criticism.
Someone should pin this
Pin this please😢
ayo pin this
the fact that most negatives mentioned by Alex were followed up by quick mod-fixes is awesome. So excited about this thing
Tho at the same time why would a REVIEWER would be suggesting those.
@@coc_champs because who else would? they've got them early and can find little issues and fixes like this.
@@coc_champs They always recommend quick and dirty mods on this channel. Are you new here or just daft?
@@tapsofosiris3110 Woah! calm down man and stop assuming things, you might be so veteran to this channel that you have stopped watching other review. As I don't think what I said was wrong REVIEWS are supposed to tell viewers about the pros and cons of the product so that people can decide whether to buy it or not. I felt it wasn't right so pointed it out. I wasn't being negative or anything.
@coc_champs Well, it's not like LTT just didn't mention the problem because the issue could be alleviated by a quick hack fix.
Also, while there are definitely issues with the laptop, the fact that the laptop itself makes such mods to ameliorate said issues easy should definitely be mentioned. Plus, the upgradability of the laptop makes swapping new, improved parts such as a better display significantly easier. These points should definitely be given merit, and leaving them out would be highly disingenuous of them.
So yes, they should've mentioned these fixes.
Honestly a laptop that comes WITH the screwdriver to open it shows framework has some balls. VERY COOL!
Is a sexy driver for what it is too.
FW has ALWAYS delivered their laptops with a combination screwdriver/spudger. I've used mine to open up my laptop on multiple occasions - on a plane, at the airport, at work, in an Uber, hell, even at a restaurant. LOL.
I mean, when it costs THAT much, i would say it's the bare minimum you would expect.
Yeah, but now I've got the framework driver, the fairphone driver, I'm going to end up with my desk drawer full of free throw away drivers...
@@JohnHughesChampignynever know, when you will need one tho
This feels like a laptop from 15 years ago in all the best ways.
Removable storage, ram, replaceable battery and (semi) modular cards? Definitely going to get one.
they need to go thicker and bring back the dual hotswap batteries of the PowerBook
Lenovo Legion has had removable storage, RAM and batteries for years. Which easily made them my go to for my laptops
My 5 year old Alienware has swappable ram, storage and I’ve replaced the battery on it wtf have you been looking at
@@battleboat12 Most alienware laptops have soldered memory, he has been looking at 90 percent of laptops.
@@battleboat12*5 year old*
5FT1/L1/N-US is some next-level trolling. Nice work dbrand!
Damn, i didn't even notice! Nice catch.
@@karigori6415 nice catch? Linus literally mentioned AND pointed at it with his finger. Did you skip that part?
@@jezuconz7299 I may be stupid 😔
For the people put off by current problems this was the same for the Framework 13. There's going to be concerns or issues that will get fixed in the next iteration of it. If you like the company but don't see yourself buying the product than just wait until it inevitably improves as they get feedback.
I see it on the same level as the Steam Deck. This is a beta/early access product and it will take some time for some issues to be ironed out.
@@indigomizumi That's why I waited for getting a Framework until the 2nd generation. The 1st generation of any company's new product segment is always going to have issues.
@@caseymurray7722If I ever get the money I definitely want a Framework 16 but that won't be for a while anyway. So by the time I'd have one many issues would likely be sorted.
framework 13'' missing with the parts cost 500 dolar,while you can buy for same money,complete laptop :)))..
@@caseymurray7722not the sd
They should really do reviews more often like this with different team members reviewing different parts of the product. It makes for a very interesting review which we would otherwise not get.
Thoroughly agree! It also helps mitigate the less obvious biases that people have. Like obviously Linus is biased because he's invested in Framework, but if they were reviewing a Lenovo and one of the team just really liked Lenovo then it could affect how the present the information. It's less of a big deal, but a nice bonus.
Also, this format was just enjoyable to watch.
Isn't that what short circuit is for.
Also it means that they can look more into the specifics of the hardware, get more knowledge about it. Of course the team members should also know how a computer works overall, but they would more easily be able to spot problems when they are mostly into one kind of hardware and not a one catch it all :D
this is just a glorified ad
I agree. Different people see and value different things.
This feels like the best laptop review iv watched on this channel in ages. Having multiple people from the different departments deliver the information was surprisingly engaging. It did not feel like an overload of endless talking from 1 person, which is a great shift in strategy! Hope it sticks!
Yes, the usual reviews feel very shallow and not terribly useful with "it should last this much, I guess" and brief Valheim benchmarks. The entire channel has noticeably gotten better as of late.
I wouldnt say they are shallow reviews. But every youtuber has the ability to review something. Not many have a staff head count like Linus. I think this gives him a unique space to do things way different.
@@andrewseath6994 The fact that he is pretty much the biggest youtuber, by far, in tech means I'd expect at least a baseline level of throughness on their reviews, which has so far been largely absent. This is much better than usual.
I mean at least that means all the publicly made changes are having a positive effect and we are getting some super vids out.
It's fucking commercial
The modular nature and potential longevity of this laptop seem very promising. Just like you said, barring any major issue, this could very well be the last laptop I'd need to buy!
As a suggestion, the laptop order on the vertical axis should be maintained between graphs, so that we don't have to keep looking for the Framework laptop in a different place each time. :)
I think that's the point, as they are in order of highest frame rate to make it easier to tell the relative performance.
I do think it would be good to have some other way to tell the different models apart at a glance apart from just the name though, like different colours or icons for each one. That might help with the issue of having to find the location of each model in the different graphs.
6:20 I had to pause for over a minute when Jake removed the module and plugged it in the GPU. That is just, wow.
and you still get to use the usb c port behind it
@@renchesandsordsabsolutely insane engineering
Insane AND common sense. We've been so used to throwaway laptops that this is what the opposite of corporate greed looks like. @@HappySlappyFace
corporate greed? You really think this is gonna be different? This laptop costs way too much for its specs and modules are gonna cost another arm and a leg. You are way too gullible to think that it’s about anything but money
I laughed my ass off, it just makes too much sense
Props to whoever conceptualized the flow of this video - from the multiple presenters, the graphs, and the writing. I feel like this is how all scripted reviews from ltt should look. It's like an ltt + tq + sc video rolled into one. Just add a few MA-inspired b-rolls and it's the full LMG experience. :)
I love when the videos feel like this. It reminds me of the last build guide you'll ever need. Such good LTT vibes!
Ltt owns a part of this laptop company. Everything they said and did is worthless. Imagine other reviewers watching this and seeing that's its not just acceptable but people applaude it. Why shouldn't pc gamer own a piece of a gaming studio? Why shouldn't gamers nexus aquire a piece of noctua? This garbage hurts all consumers. I hate this so much. This community is such a disappointment
yeah i'm glad @Linus Tech Tips hearted this comment, they NEED to hear it. This was soooooooooo easy to watch. I'm never going to buy a laptop in my near future but the way it was presented... man it was compelling and so watchable! DO MORE OF THIS STYLE VIDEO!!!
@@spraynardkruger6426 Seems like your instincts are right but not sure if that’s the right conclusion to draw here. I think it’s only Linus that’s invested in Framework and his business and reputation are probably worth more than a $200K personal investment he made because he loved what the company was doing with right to repair. Not that we should take it at face value, but he’s also said that he basically doesn’t care whether or not Framework is ultimately surpassed by a competitor when it comes to thoughtfully designed laptops that prioritize user service/upgradeability, since that was basically the whole point of his investment: force companies to have to compete with Framework by designing w/ repair rather than replacement in mind.
This isn’t an overly flattering review, they clearly have many criticisms as well, and it doesn’t seem like “neutral” reviewers have brought up any major issues which LMG didn’t. I think it might even be the other way around lol.
I love how the justify away the fact you need to mod your $2000 laptop for the keyboard to be serviceable to use
I've got the Framework 13, and I agree with Jake's statements at the end. There are some things (especially the speakers) which aren't up to the standard I'm used to from previous laptops, but instead of being filled with regret, I'm just a little bummed and waiting until better speakers are released. And while I might go "this thing was better on my old laptop", I also then have to remind myself "the old laptop I needed a replacement for because I can't open the chassis to change the battery and clear out the dust that's causing it to overheat". I'm glad Framework seems to still be thriving, and I hope it grows to a size where more third party modules become available, maybe starting with some better speakers 😛
There are some third party modules already, but they are small run or open source hardware projects developed by hackers and enthusiasts. Not everyone will have a use for Spacehuhn's ESP32 module, for instance.
I'd imagine that most people use earbuds or a headset regardless, so speakers were probably not a priority for the design.
I've been using a framework 13 for a year now, and I love it. For me, the flexibility of being able to choose my IO and replace individual parts, is revolutionary, especially since I bought my laptop for work, and am totally responsible for it's price. The break on my last laptop that cost me $1300 to replace the laptop, would've cost literally $60 if I had a framework at the time. That is revolutionary for me, and all the bendyness or mess that goes along with a modular laptop is not even a question for me - this is unbelievably worth any headache. I want the 16", but I'm of course sticking with the 13 until I turn it into a little thin client one day, like 5 years from now, and then, it'll still be useful to me.
Until you want a Intel CPU or Nvidia CPU, then its back to the drawing board.
@@freedomearthmoon1 Um, the Framework 13 is available with either Intel or AMD CPUs, so I have no doubt that the FW 16 will get that option in due time as well, since the FW 13 started out as Intel only! I have an early one of those by the way, already over 2 years old... and I'm about to replace the existing 11th gen Intel version mainboard with the 13th gen Intel version!
@@scottrabinow2773 I've been following Frameworks progress and the first laptops offered Intel or AMD CPU's from day 1 but with integrated graphics.
Now, it's 100% AMD, 1 CPU and 1 GPU. Granted, powerful options. I'm a video editor and don't care about fps in video games. Intel & Nvidia integrates better with most editing software. AMD was in second place so long most software was built to run better on Intel and Nvidia platforms. Its unfortunate but true, its also another reason AMD cost less. Many consumers don't care about fps in Hogwarts. The myopic testing done on GPU's on youtube benefits gamers but that's about it.
framework 13 '' cost 500 dolar,and a laptop with everything on it is already 500 dolar,and if you upgrade to nvdia video card,you need to find a card that suport the laptop frame,go and search for parts thats suitable for this laptop until that time,just use,intel embedded gpu with no performance for gaming,only watch youtube and some movies :)))...
@@rembrandrembrand I guess they don't do the math. The 16" 7840HS+1T+32G+P3/165Hz one is $1600 while I can buy a same config new 16 laptop except sRGB/90Hz for $600... almost near 3 of it... really a first world problem
"Not only because I invested my own money and want this company to succeed." I appreciate him starting the video on that note for those who don't already know.
Idk about Canada, but it is illegal in a lot of countries if you don´t disclose your conflicts of interests or if a social media post is sponsored. While I feel like Linus would do it anyways, because he cares about being trustworthy and not being malicious, there might be laws that make him do it anyways.
@@Rocky712_ yep that's about what he said in the "I invested into framework" vid
He's putting his money where his mouth is. It is honest and lawful.
@@Rocky712_ Same in the states
He is legally obligated to do that, so I guess it's cool he follows the laws that would be very easy to verify
As someone who loves their Framework 13, I'm so glad the 16 seems to be up to the same standards (minus a few things, like the keyboard). 100% a company I want to support
I dunno, watch some of the other videos out for the laptop, they aren't all positive, especially from other big name laptop reviewers
@@FF18Cloud sure, but right to repair is such a major deal; I feel much better with a framework than a comparable "name brand" laptop, but that doesn't mean it's for everybody, and doesn't mean it's perfect
@@PrimedPixelMusic
Right to repair absolutely is a hugely important factor, as is the e-waste reduction. The problem is largely that the benefits are enormously outweight by the cost.
It basically costs twice the price of a gaming laptop of similar specs. So it'd need to last you like a decade or more in order to start being beneficial. So the arguments on ewaste are very limited.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v I can't disagree. I was lucky to have found myself in a position where I could afford extra for things like e-waste reduction and right to repair, but you're absolutely right in that there's a lot of work to do with the price
Lmao now you gotta buy the new one to have the new features oops
Jake was a great presenter in this format, really confident, great vid.
As a person who recently threw out 5 old laptops that I accumulated have been kicking around my garage for a long time, the frame work appeals to me for the same reason as Jake said, it could be the last laptop I buy. Yes it’ll be expanded or upgraded in the future but recycling an old GPU or using the screen for something else after it’s useful life is by far better than binning a complete machine
until there's an innovative chassis in 2025 and framework owner cry some rivers 😂
@@noliebetweenus in that case, buy the new chassis and put your old components in them! most of them should work, and if they don't, that's a major oversight.
@EZX280 I'd argue that this isn't a fair claim as the internals for the Framework 13 won't fit in the new and innovative F 16 chassis. I think it's unlikely that Framework would make breaking changes to the chassis without good reason, since their business model is the "green and repairable laptop company", but if you consider the F 16 to be an upgrade to the F 13, it is a breaking change.
You’ll just need to replace the motherboard to get a new socket for that new cpu you want and that will come with new ram tech so you’ll have to replace that too.
For the price of an entire new laptop.
But you’ll still have your old crappy battery and outdated 500nits screen
I have owned multiple very modular desktops. And almost never have I done just one simple upgrade of a component.
Almost every upgraded turned out that building an entire new system would be way more interesting.
I don’t get how that would be different with a laptop.
You can make laptops modular with an external display and and external pci-e box and a sound card and an external mic and webcam and keyboard and mouse all connected to a Thunderbolt + usb hub
@@noliebetweenus who cares, no reason to buy another computer just to follow a different design. None of my electronics is current, and I don't desire to chase the newest trend. If I could upgrade my 2nd Gen Intel 15" dell laptop i absolutely would, I love that thing, but i can't...
That hack that Jake came up with in order to not carry around another dongle was actually really funny lmao
Love hearing directly from the Labs testers! Jon did great!
That praise is too high. He did fine in parts but a lot of it was just terrible and hard to watch. I gave up on the video at his point as I was losing the will to live, and I'm sure the stats back this. I had to come back hours later to watch the rest of the video.
Ltt owns a part of this laptop company. Everything they said and did is worthless. Imagine other reviewers watching this and seeing that's its not just acceptable but people applaude it. Why shouldn't pc gamer own a piece of a gaming studio? Why shouldn't gamers nexus aquire a piece of noctua? This garbage hurts all consumers. I hate this so much. This community is such a disappointment.
@@spraynardkruger6426Look, they have more than enough people in the company to receive, test, write, review, produce and edit this video without Linus ever seeing their feedback until it goes live on the channel.
You don't have to agree, but I believe they did an excellent job of giving honest feedback. And most of their feedback was then backed by workarounds in the event that they discovered something undesirable
Linus, personally, has stake in Framework - Linus Media Group, does not.
You can’t hate it that much, because here you are watching and commenting.
@@spraynardkruger6426 and? they specifically list that bias, its not secret, they put it up front. They also didnt just give it a perfect review. Everyone has biases, the important thing is to be upfront so we can see where they are coming from
This is absolutely amazing to see. I have taken apart and reassembled hundreds of laptops. My favorite were the older Dell tough books. Some HP laptops, and Acer had some OK laptops. This is a whole new ball game
Finally JAKE IS BACK!!! Where has he been? I love his server and content delivery.
#LongLiveJake!
Framework yet again showing us why they are the boss of laptops. Their commitment to providing repairable laptops is absolutely amazing.
The biggest thing for me is that Framework is banking on the fact that you can buy this one chassis and replacement components will cost you about 3/4 the price of buying another laptop in 2 to 4 years time.
See, the only reason we even demand greatness from laptops today is because they can't change after you spec them out. Can't swap memory, can't swap SSD, gotta pick the right display size and type, all that stuff. Fair model, but when Apple demands hundreds of dollars for RAM, storage and features (and knowing WinPC laptop makers follow where Apple goes), Framework's alternative looks better by comparison.
@@FlyingCIRCU175 The Apple comparison is pretty harsh, but accurate.
Laptop makers doing thin/ ultra-thin probably do need to solder in ram and maybe the ssd, but in a chassis with similar thickness to the Framework, mostly are still upgradable.
then having to buy those 30 doller ports for usb ethernet while if it was soldered on you could replace them for 1 doller@@FlyingCIRCU175
@@FlyingCIRCU175 but why would you not want to buy the F19 in 4 years time with an all new chassis?
You guys probably aren't looking for random ideas, but a live fourier graph during the speaker comparison would be really helpful to visualize the difference.
Great review, great laptop! Really excited about the future of framework! (Typing this from my AMD 13)
I would love this. I hope they see this because this is the most objective way they could measure speakers for us, and given they're striving for that with Labs, they really should.
Definitely in the plans, just need our acoustic chamber to be built first!
@@LinusTechTips This is why you're still respected
Just replace the speakers !
Wait for BOSE etc to release a module !
How about a graph to explain why I'd want speakers on a laptop anyway? What are they for? Making me a target of violence in the local coffee shop or on a train? Intruding on other people's space? Getting worse sound than cheap earbuds? Sure, it's very impressive how good they can get the sound on bad speakers stuck in bad situations but that doesn't mean it's worth doing in all cases.
Graph data was on point this video, easily digestible. Good stuff labs team/editors.
A great video series idea to me would be have each of the three from this review finding the laptop that "feels" the closest to them, then filming a series of trying to do stuff like replace a wifi card or keyboard etc. Things that are theoretically possible to be done to the laptop. Then doing the same task for the framework laptop
Jake at the end summed up my thoughts on the laptop pretty well. Sure you're paying a premium for a similarly spec'd laptop, but if I my screen gets busted... Or if the battery just ain't cutting it anymore... I'm not out another $2k for a whole new laptop. And same for wanting to upgrade.
Exactly. One repair/upgrade later, and the modularity has paid for itself.
Considering that a new laptop that you bought because the specs arent up to your demand anymore, gives you a brand new chassis, a brand new screen, keyboard, trackpad, battery, etc. "for free" minus the money you can get by selling of your old device, I am not sure about this. A quick and dirty excel sheet I set up made it look like it takes more like 3 or 4 "upgrade cycles" to warrant the high price...
And that would mean that you'd be okay with using THIS relatively bad screen for the next decade or so, does not include money spent on new batteries and such. Considering those "non-essential" upgrades, we're looking more at 4-6 upgrade cycles or in other words: around 20 years of usage. This is not a financially smart choice.
@@WoodsSooperDooperShop while there's definitely some people out there who would, 90% of people aren't going to sell their old laptop, iyt's going in a storage bin or trash can. Also, if the issue is only that the laptop isn't fast enough anymore, you don't need a new trackpad, keyboard, monitor etc. That's a lot of waste for no gain
Replacing a laptop battery is not difficult.
@@WoodsSooperDooperShop my exact thought i have to buy atleast 3 laptops for it to be worth it, and at that point id rather just get a new one each time with new everything, and prob get more out of selling the old one then i would my framework parts. i want a a framework but the cost needs to come to come out to 2 or less laptop purchases. and me personally if im getting it for gaming i also need to see a 120hz screen on it and nvidia gpus
I don't remember seeing a review like this by Jake, and honestly, I have to give him props. I really enjoyed his delivery
Came to the comments after that ending segue looking for this.
5:49 Full size DisplayPort is very rare in gaming laptops, even mini DP is uncommon, so felt a bit weird to go after them this hard on that.
I love this approach on letting other members on the team do the review!
It still doesn't quite guarantee an impartial review, though - instead of Linus himself doing the review, now it's people who work for Linus doing the review.
Linus actually inspired the idea of everything on laptops being modular. It’s so when he inevitably drops it and something breaks it can just be replaced
Ehh. He has the platform to preach it loudly, but modular laptops have been a dream for many before.
@@ClosedOpennessWhoooosh.
Oh look another template ‘joke’ about Linus dropping stuff
@@easymodegamer501* The sound of Linus's laptop heading directly for the ground *
It'll explode like an old Nokia phone, then you just click it back together and it's fine
On your blender benchmarks you should include whether its a cpu or gpu render
gpu renders are generally far quicker and nvidia has an optimization/hardware advantage, which two rendering methods:
a) cuda rendering
b) optix rendering, which utilizes nvidia rtx hardware ray tracing capabilities
Im sure its cpu renders here because, well, if it was gpu the nvidia powered laptop would have won quite apparent
anyways, would love to see that distinction made in the graphs
As a Blender user I'd also like to know some of the settings used for the render as that would be more informative to me especially if I am considering purchasing the product.
Love my 13 and cannot wait for the 16! Love that I’ll finally have an upgradable gaming laptop that’s so customizable and cannot wait to get my preorder 😁
Why was this not a recommended video for me? I only found it by accident. This is a video I've been waiting for for a long time.
Same. I found it after search for "Framework Laptop 16".*
I was all on the hype-train, but then I realized there is no battery module. As someone who works in IT and business, extended battery life is crucial for travel and on-site support. Chucking two battery and a GPU module into my backpack would save me so much time and effort when traveling.
Please Framework, make a hot-swappable battery!
Just get a PD powerbank, you should be fine
Damm this is a good idea, reminds me of my first phone. It kept dying mid day as I used intensive apps the whole day. So it dies, just switch the battery. No need to wait for a slow power bank.
There are 100W USBC power banks. Currently use one for my laptop when on the go
@@IllIlIIlIllI Alkaline? Bro, what decade are you living in? Nobodies used an alkaline battery in a laptop in years 😂
I picked TUF A16 for best battery life among all similar laptorps - it was lie as always. 90w battery barely lasts 6-7h with Ghelper tweaked to max for lowest 7-9w consumption. I solved it by bying Anker 100Wh powerbank /7+ more hours/. I am speaking about Outlook+Firefox 2-3 tabs here so minimal usage. W10/11 just eats battery like crazy, Linux with 6.6 kernel is the same 6h. its tragedy after using M1 Macbook /17+ hours usage/.
This felt like one of the best put together ltt vids I've ever seen. Flows seamlessly, review has personality while sticking to the hard facts, and I felt surprised at the end of the vid when I saw that this was 18 minutes long.
Ofc its Alex
Ltt owns a part of this laptop company. Everything they said and did is worthless. Imagine other reviewers watching this and seeing that's its not just acceptable but people applaude it. Why shouldn't pc gamer own a piece of a gaming studio? Why shouldn't gamers nexus aquire a piece of noctua? This garbage hurts all consumers. I hate this so much. This community is such a disappointment
@spraynardkruger6426 LTT doesn't own anything in regards to framework, linus specifically does
@@spraynardkruger6426 Linus declares in the very beginning of this review that he himself is a stake holder not LMG, thus the reason of him having his employees give the product an honest review free of potential bias. There was complete transparency I personally applaud Linus for his decision to give a large sum of his money to a small startup with ideals he believes in and having the integrity to not allow his investment to skew the review. If he truly was untrustworthy there wouldn't have been as much negative things said about the product and the ending would have left with a high recommendation to buy the product instead of being much more in the gray
@@spraynardkruger6426 Did you even watch the video? It's LINUS who has the investment not LTT as a company. Linus has put his own personal money into Framework, Luke and the others haven't. If you're gonna talk about the video and critique the channel and community at least do the smart thing and watch the video oh my lord
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed this format. I would love to see more videos like this!
I use a Framework mainboard in the CoolerMaster desktop case as a bit of a homelab server. One thing to mention is that the expansion cards aren't exactly cheap when you buy a set of them. The gigabit ethernet card is especially steep at around $50 CAD but the display cards and microSD reader are $25 CAD each and the USB-A and USB-C cards are $12 each. All together, you can wind up spending more than what a good UGreen hub costs with more ports. Not a huge issue, just be aware that you're going to pay more for flexibility.
I think they sell refurbished one's too for cheap.
maybe chinese market is ideal for this company but not in europe or in usa,parts wil be expensive in europe and usa,in china is the parts cheap actualy even in china they cant sell this product,in china laptops are cheaper then europe and usa,this project wil be dead soon,last time there was a modulair cell phone even with out seriouse investors the phone was dead..
@@rembrandrembrand This is the problem when you think everything is about price. Framework is doing just fine. They're not a budget brand; They're NOT competing on price, they're competing on flexibility and upgradability.
For example, I run a home server using a Framework mainboard. I was able to buy the mainboard and a cooler master case designed for it without needing to buy the whole laptop. I'll be able to upgrade the mainboard later without needing new RAM or a SSD.
We have two FW13s, and have been very impressed by them. My wife had never done any form of computer assembly before, and she was able to assemble her DIY FW13 with only the smallest of guidance.
I love what this company is doing and hope they have great success.
I really hope this becomes more common moving forward, having the option to EASILY upgrade notebooks would be HUGE for me
Im getting one of these for my uni later this year. I cant wait to get my hands on it. This concept is a dream
26yrs old and did my taxes for the first time. Getting an ok return, and the timing for a highly detailed video about high end systems couldn’t be more perfect ❤
Might not pick up a laptop but it’s an informative video
Preordered a DIY 16 when I learned about them and can't wait for it to arrive. The fact that I can buy what I want without having to settle for the choices the manufacturer made everywhere (yes, the framework requires you to settle for some things too) and then upgrade it later if I want (I don't need the graphics, I just want the extra size and IO for my work laptop with that giant battery) is awesome. Really looking forward to using it for years. Getting it barebones and supplying my own SSD and RAM is icing on the cake.
Those temps are the most impressive part, seriously.
Batch 13 preorder here. I'm happy to hear the final product doesn't have any massive flaws and maybe some of the issues here are ironed out until Q3 deliveries are sent out.
I skipped the GPU as I'm not planning on gaming on it, but unlike other brands I can actually buy the next gen GPU if I need it by then 👌
I'm currently running a mostly broken Surface Book 2, that barely works but could easily be repaired if everything wasn't glued. Can't wait to retire it and get my hands on a working machine that's also user upgradable.
Already saw the showcase in a previous video but still, I'm really glad they're doing upgradable GPUs. Including it in the list of easy-to-replace things in a laptop unlike before, and potentially making it so popular that other brands would hopefully emulate it. LTT investing in Framework is one of the best things that could've happened in this timeline.
They have really went full desktop-like modularity with this.
As an advice having a reference for what would be a general or expected good monitor calibration grade (Delta E) appearing highlighted on screen to compare with what the monitor being eviewed got would be awesome!
Not everyone watching reviews actually know this and they would appreciate to see how much the monitor deviates or not from what's considered a good Delta E❤❤
I don’t disagree, but the chances are that the people who really care about that probably already know. That said they used to say it so I don’t really know when or why they stopped.
I am really thankful that you guys gave Framework that airtime, really this is precisely what we need more of in the tech space.
Loving the varied content from LTT lately.
"5FT1/L1/N-US" - gotta love dbrand!
I really like the transparency there and honest review!
6:30 that's actually so smart on frameworks part I was shocked thats awesome
I'm eagerly awaiting my preorder in batch 6, can't wait to get it! Hopefully it'll be within the next month, a full review being out now gives me confidence that they'll be shipping soon! It'll be an awesome upgrade from the Lenovo Yoga I've got now. I don't care so much that it's expensive for the hardware, I want to support Framework!
I didn't think there'd be a direct connection to the GPU, but that's pretty dang cool to have. I was worried if there'd be a MUX switch, but with a direct GPU output, it's not a problem.
Honestly, this video was very well put together. Good job. I enjoyed.
I absolutely love the transparency in this episode!
I'm so happy to see framework doing this and succeeding in it
I like it when they do this kind of format, multiple hosts and all.
Been following the updates on batch 1 for my order cant wait!
I seriously admire and appreciate the higher emphasis on objectivity and professionalism in your videos lately, thank you and keep up the great work!
I thought I'd hate this style of video, but I actually really like it. More of this presentation style will be appreciated😊
I gave my framwork 13" to my grandmother after a year or so of me not using it a lot, mostly because i could not game on it. It has been so easy to provide tech support. I had to replace an 8 dollar USB C module due to an issue of it not charging with it. Not sure if a drop incident caused it, or an issue with trying to force a micro usb into the type c slot may have caused it. but with how many laptops she has gone through, i know with the framework, it's fixable.
I actually finally saw a Framework in the wild recently. Couple executive-looking guys were using them in an airport I was at, waiting for their flight. Looks like it's really and truly taking off, when I see more than just online entities and redditors using them!
I love this, so tempted to pre-order!
I can't wait for framework to launch in Sweden. I really am excited to see what the future holds for this brand, having the ability to swap parts with ease is amazing and I wish more brands would embrace this. I kind of miss the 18650 based battery packs but since people prefer thinner laptops nowadays I guess we'll have to suffer with the flatpacks... :D Those LED panels look amazing too, totally "useless" I am sure but who doesn't love LEDs? Would've liked a little more info on what they can do in the review though.
honestly, if framework keeps going, this is just incredible and nothing short of that
That battery to power ratio is incredible I definitely will consider getting one when I need a new laptop
One thing that's probably good to know was how noisy were those fans during the tests. Might be a nitpick they could improve, just like the flex on the keyboard.
I've pre-ordered one, so I get the newsletters. They said that the review units are near-final test units, but some still have noise issues with the fans that they fixed late in development, so you probably won't get reliable info about how loud the fans are from anyone with a pre-release FW16.
Thanks Linus Integrity in tact your team done a great job on the review Now if framework are listening then fixes are on the way.
Pulling out one of the display ports and putting it on the gpu was a pretty neat trick. That's crazy!
I am in love with my Framework 13, and did the AMD upgrade, which now makes it purely amazing. Keep going Framework!
Batch 7 pre-order gang here. Still can't wait to get mine
MXM cards were great... it's how I kept my old Sager laptop relevant well past it's prime until the motherboard died. Glad to see we have even more modularity!
super excited to get one!!!
The day has come lads
I agree with Jake's final thoughts. All of the problems can easily be DIY'ed or upgraded down the road. Plus I don't mind paying a little extra to a company like Framework and supporting what they are trying to do. I'm definitely keeping my pre-order and can't wait till I get it.
At first i thought, how could any employee honestly review a laptop when his or her boss is influenced by how well the device performs in the review. Then I realized that we're talking about Alex here. See Alex, my friends, is always fair, as he was in this video. But he also is going to tell you what sucks on a laptop (or car; oh definitely on cars :), even in a sponsored video. So yeah, of course he would tell us what sucks about the framework 16. He just did it in a more delicate way than usual. And we viewers appreciate that level of candor.
I can't tell you how excited I am to see Framework really delivering! I want one so bad as well, but I can't justify the cost.. If it was actually 1399$ as I first believed when going to build one, I thought that would be worth it 100%. Except it wasn't 1399$.. My final build ended up over 2000$ and I would've had to build the dang thing myself. Maybe it's a little too early for me yet, but rest assured, If prices go down in the future thanks to manufacturing efficiency or demand (think Tesla), I will be the happiest man ever to participate in this revolutionary consumer experience!
Yeah, I really want one but the price is sort of a deal breaker for me right now. I agree with what was said at the end of how they're not gauging and are a small company, but for me, right now, I think I'll wait for the next revision before I think about dropping that much. I am excited for this company and I wish them the best!
Never buy the first model, look at all the issues with the 13 gen 11 Intel motherboard.
Id wait for the second iteration honestly.
The interchangeable gpu is exactly what I was waiting for to upgrade my laptop
I am waiting to see how these age and what kinds of upgrade options will become available. If Framework can support this platform and provide solid upgradeabilty in a sustainable way, I will definitely be buying one for my next laptop.
I love how the cooling solution is built in the GPU module. XMX really suffered from things not lining up or fitting in the dell XPS line.
Glad to see more Framework coverage.
These device's repairability is what keeps alive my hope that not everything I use will always end up in a landfill.
Nice job dubbing in the corrections rather than having them just be on-screen text while the voiceover still says the wrong numbers!
Linus didn't even see part of the video scrpt thats a great idea to keep the review balanced and objective,make the next framework review this way too
it's also unverifiable, we have to trust he hasn't and that he hasn't influenced anyone on the way. The only way this should have been handeld is a total review embargo.
great video sir keep going
I am heading to college in about 6 months and these Framework laptops are seeming like the perfect investment for the next 4-ish years of my life. Everything about a lot of the models are what i would be looking for in a laptop
Honestly, it's a bit expensive for college, but so are Macbooks - and my university is full of them. Also, I had my Asus laptop's battery die a few days ago in my 4th year of university (purchased right before my 1st year), and I would have liked it if I didn't have to send it for repair for a couple of weeks to a sketchy partner company (really bad reviews), to buy a 2nd hand salvaged one (which I did), or to order "new" but sketchy batteries from unknown places. Having new spare parts made available by their first party store is a big reason why I'll probably get one of these when I'm done with my current laptop.
I bought the Framework Laptop 12 DIY edition for uni last year and it has been working great. Just a few weird quirks but it has been great!
@@leonrowell, a guy in college might want to game a little. Having a laptop that can be used as a gaming machine as well as for studying(removing gpu and making it lighter to take it with you) seems not bad.
On a MacBook you can just...take it with you to look cool?
I'm already in college in engineering and my 2017 HP Spectre x360 with a 940MX GPU isn't really cutting it anymore, I got in the preorder line and I'm looking forward to getting my Framework Laptop 16 as part of Batch 3.
You're lucky to have Frameworks available; I bought a Dell laptop that's given me so many problems for my first year of college, only for the first Framework to come out 6 months later
this actually looks insane! always a good day when linus uploads.
Batch 5, can’t wait to get mine!!
This video actually gave me a great suggest for fixing my ol laptop. So thanks for that! keyboard is back to how it used to feel before I messed it up haha!
I was gonna order this but then I remebered I don't actually have 2k+ euros lying around lol. It looks so fun
I gave up and got Asus TUF A16 instead, for 1500,-Euros. It was like 2500+ for Framework which is insanely overpriced, and this is said by IT guy using overpriced Apple stuff daily.
It looks fun until you realized that the modularity is not as a big deal that it seems. Yeah its nice to have but once you spec it, you probably wont change it. And the parts are also expensive when or if you want to replace them.
3 sponsor spots during a product showcase plus a ltt screwdriver shoutout.
I finally have enough money to support the channel! Needed a desk mat... wanted to be able to customize the size to fit my needs and I loved the desk configurator! Can't wait to have the keyboard on a mat for that extra THOCCKYness and lots of mouse space so flick shots and recoil will be beast mode. Gonna turn down my DPI for accuracy and not have to worry about running out of mat! Little pricey for Canadians considering the company being based out of Canada... having to convert your money is tough to swallow... Also the shipping is supposed to suck... Wanted to get the LTT screwdriver as well but couldn't pay close to 200$ for a mouse pad and a screwdriver... at least i'm getting some free stickers with my (when all fees are added) $70 MOUSE PAD!!! Yikes. Oh well, just wanted to support. I wouldn't even have built my PC if it weren't for this channel. I remember the first time following build instructions closely... now it's like putting together adult legos haha! Much love to LTT! Happy to support.... but, GET A CAD site! Be patriotic! You're building a huge LAN center and a badminton court... you can surely afford a Canadian warehouse with a Canadian website for the Canadian products from your Canadian company. I feel like if i was them that would be top priority to me. Oh well, will definitely be eyeing that cost, hope there aren't hidden fees later.
This is literally the only new product I will buy, when I say this I mean it. For the past 5 years I've made it a personal rule to only buy used phones, used laptops, used vehicles, used PC and server parts, and used appliances.
This is honestly one of the best reviews from LTT so far.
Can't wait to get mines
Thanks Linus for getting me into framework
This is really cool. Extra points for the non-biased review
Can't wait to see framework upgrade speedrun any percrnt.