@@armourofcontempt was gonna say mr bungle but john zorn helped produce their albums (or at least their self titled) so it has a lot of his influence on it. Naked city is great
@Michael Wereley Even so, as simple as they may be... Fitment between the melody and the percussion is what makes something sound good. He definitely has skill, and is a really good drummer into the genre he fits in. My opinion.
I'm here to tell you that we (metal heads) consider jazz to be THE pinnacle of music difficulty no matter how hard we practice we always look up and FEAR jazz musicians. and I'm being completely honest. beautiful playing and extreme precise timing. sharp as a razor.. best of luck.
@@diegosillas1034 umm... the thinner the cymbal, the more equipped it is to handle being bashed on. Heavy cymbals don’t last beatings man. Where did you learn this?
As a metalhead and guitar player… we all still hold jazz as the highest level of musicianship, and nothing messes with our confidence more than a jazz musician showing up 😂🤘
I'm a metal guitarist and I have had Jazz players say the same thing to me. They found it crazy that I memorised a full set including solos etc as they all just sight read from notation. Also seen the blood run out of some of my jazz playing friends faces when they see the length of time and speed I can tremolo pick. Different music, different skills.
@@chrisgoblin4857 Where have you seen jazzmen sight-reading (lol) ? It is all about improvisation, being able to use your instrument to express any idea you may have, in any situation. It is not just "another style, another skill" + jazz (and blues) is the real source of all rock, including metal, therefore all this music is a permanent insult to jazz + metalheads can't fucking swing + fuck 'em all
@@nicolasgabet4343 Where? Professional session players. They don't practice as a band at all. Half of the time they don't even know the people they're playing with. Turn up at a corporate event or wedding and then play, get paid and say goodbye.
@@chrisgoblin4857 Yes, but when they play live they aren't sight-reading as in how a classical player would. They just know the music. More than that, most of today's "jazz" isn't jazz anymore, just music inspired by jazz.
Metal is actually where the most technically proficient musicians in the world go to cut loose. Just look at Alex rudinger with Intronaut or paul Seidel with the ocean
@@DrMoe.Lester I agree uni jazz itself is full of socially awkward students, jazz clubs are where it’s at for meeting some cool people and even networking if chill enough
Zack is a really amazing drummer, so I had no doubt that it would be awesome. Its moreso the beginning that made me crack up, bc that Minecraft death sound... And the confused meme. And Zack's face
This is more proof that jazz drummers can play any genre of music. They're simply the most talented considering the main genre they play is so musically technical.
Yo, the music world NEEDS more crossovers like this. It exposes people to different content, and ideas they wouldnt naturally encounter. As a BIG metal/ hardcore fan, and fellow drummer I never would have had a ZackGrooves video in my recommended algorithm. Now; I binged about 10 of your videos, am a subscriber to your channel, and plan on practicing some Jazz to broaden my repertoire. Thank you for this!
Yo man. Listen to some Elvin Jones or some Billy Cobham. Those legendary jazz kats rocked harder than most rock groups. Check out some of their stuff! They're insane.
Ya.. those toms are pretty small for Metal.. Almost sounds like a childs drum set with the heavy background music.. lol! Still sounded good.. but definitely not the "Typical" deep heavy drum tone you hear on Metal albums.. What is that.. a 14" floor tom? lol... My "small" floor tom is 16"... haha
It's cause Jazz drummers have hella solid techniques, jazz drumming is pretty insane sometimes man. I mean, some jazz drummers do tricks with 1 single foot that a lot o metal drummers can't even do with two. I've been a drummer for like 16 years or so now, mainly metal but jazz was always my 2nd go to. I can say from experience, metal is harder in terms of endurance/stamina, but jazz is way harder in terms of control and discipline. But if you have control and discipline, then speed and power comes easy
Cringe?! This was clean as hell dude! I think that cross-genre playing should be required in music schools. As a metal musician I am completely open to learning jazz, blues, etc. stuff. It only makes it better. Seeing you play a metal song like this with a jazz sensibility gives it a whole other dimension. Really opens it up!
Same here dude. I'm mostly a rock/metal/punk/hardcore drummer but over the last year or so I've been learning a lot of jazz, funk and fusion techniques to expand my drumming vernacular and just generally broaden my horizons. It's made my playing a lot more interesting for sure.
And because metal drumming content is so rare these days, the community gathered and watched the video together. Making it his 2nd most view in a matter of 2 months
Imo one of the best and most diverse drummers in deathcore is Brandon Zackey from Enterprise Earth. Dude writes some extremely complex pieces and sounds incredible live. He’s got a pretty extensive background in drum line and even was a part of the blue devils at some point amongst many other word class drum corps groups.
@@senditkevin Syncopation literally means off beat. think of 4 beats - 1,2,3,4.... Now break that up into smaller versions - 1 AND 2 AND 3 AND 4 AND. and = off -beat. Syncopation = off-beat. :)
@@darkaquatus I remember watching an interview of him sometime ago and it was mentioned that he either had a jazz background or just knew how to play jazz, can't remember which.
@@powbobs Isn't he supposed to be, like, a professional or something? I don't expect him to know the difference. But I do expext him to do even the slightest bit of research. And you'd be surprised how many people in the drumming community expect the people they watch to speak from a place of authority. Even if all you did was ask someone who played in a Death Metal band, OH, LIKE NIK, THE GUY WHO FUCKING ASKED HIM TO COVER THE FUCKING SONG IN THE FIRST PLACE, Or spend 30 seconds checking Wikipedia. Anything is better than saying "I guess this is a blast beat, although I could easily be full of shit, because I didn't bother to do any research". But yeah, im guessing the JAZZ DRUMMER who invented the blast beat probably cares too. Anyway, your dumb. Did you honestly think that shit would work? If your going to try to troll somebody, at least put some fucking effort into it. Jesus...
I know!! but, not even Low Key though, Lamb of God's drummers signature snare is a piccolo and remember the early 2000s, every band had this snare sound.
Typical GC employees lol. Every now and then there’s someone in the guitar or recording department that knows their stuff but I’ve yet to meet anyone in the drum section that has a clue about anything.
@@RanDieBam Main types of pedal are Direct drive, chain drive, or belt drive. Same as motorcycles. To mention trigger pads whilst looking at a set of manual pedals is a disgrace for an employee
Maybe I've just listened to too many same-y sounding deathcore and death metal drummers, but your jazzy fills are actually unbelievably refreshing in this kind of music. 10/10, you should start a metal band 😂
Dude, love this video. As a metal drummer myself I loved seeing this. Its refreshing to see someone with your CHOPS "struggle" on anything. The gravity was a neat little added bit. Bro. A few months of practice and you'd kill it. Guaranteed. I can CRUSH most core songs, but I am a fucking fish out of water playing jazz. For not playing this type of music you did great. Cheers brother!
Agreed completely, holy shit you nailed it like 90%. I've played in hardcore bands for years and still could maybe touch about 75% of this. Fuck yeah dude.
The lesson here is: "Kids, don't ever ever skip leg day. Legs will carry you to most utterly heavy sixteenth triplet-y of places" Very nice Zack, luv u
Nowadays everyrhing is so highly produced and clean. Its really refreshing to hear such a snappy and raw kit. No quatizing, no post eq, just the bing bongs
I REALLY like your approach to this style. Like… a lot. It kicked massive amounts of ass. Your jazz background gave you so much advantage in the pocket department. Fuck yeah, bro. 🤘
I think the drums he has are inherently also more jazzy in their sound. Drums have their own feel along with their look. And it's minute but they do be different.
Many may dislike this type of metal but they cannot deny that you have to be unbelievably talented to play it. Kudos to you for going out of your comfort zone and nailing it as well as you did. I think you gained the respect of the members of Termina and all other metal heads.
I don't usually listen to metal and I don't play drums at all, and upon listening to this, I was sort of just stunned into silence. This genre's percussion is just built totally different than any sounds I've ever heard before, and it both looks and sounds WICKED difficult.
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@@Just_Sara If you want to ease in to the world of Metal I cannot recommend Opeth enough. Start with their latest albums and work backwards - you'll get a journey from very melodic, ballad-like progressive rock, through progressive metal and all the way to melodic death (?) metal. If that doesn't "scare" you away, try "Black Crown Initiate" and "Ne Obliviscaris", then maybe "Lamb of God" and throw in some "Slugdge" (sic) in to the mix. Pretty varied sounds between these but drums-wise - all absolutely amazing.
This was my favorite metal drumming I've ever heard. A lot less clutter and noise, very unique breakdowns and transitions and beat patterns constantly changing hardly ever repeating anything twice exactly the same. So awesome
This is the awesomeness of blending styles. Kind of an extreme example BUT, if he had a few weeks to really get a feel for this style, I bet you’d end up with an awesome, super original sub-genre (that’s what this is but it could be even better given more time).
Sean Reinart changed the game in the metal world recording on Death’s 1991 album Human. He was 19, jazz trained & brought so much diversity to an ever saturated young genre. It was the album that truly brought intelligence to death metal music. Check it out!
as a dude with no knowledge about drumming, can you point out a song as an example? i keep seeing these comments about overproduced stuff but just have no idea about any of it. and maybe an example of a song that isn’t overproduced? thanks to anyone who answers!
@@fizzysh4rk Hi! you have both exemple here. listen to the original track with the link in the description, then come back listen to the drums in this video. I'm pretty sure this is programmed drum machine using samples in the original (the over quantized machine gun effect with every hit at max velocity), compared to Zach playing a real drum kit with a single microphone to record it. this is a good exemple of "overproduced" VS "next to no production at all".
@@tpags7398 yes exactly, do you like it too? it's a matter of taste, but I prefer an organic sound and the human "feel" of a real drummer with a single mic rather than a drum software playing midi, full force, 100% quantized to the grid with 10 layers of plugins to process it. those tasty fills with the ghost notes and all... you can't program that. and I'm just a random metal "bedroom producer" using superior drummer for my drums. man I spend HOURS trying to humanize my midi and I mainly use unprocessed kits. when I hear stuff with drums like that deathcore track, I'm like "GTFO"..... it's more electro than metal to me. I think it's lazy.
Honestly I'd like to hear this level of snare finesse and articulation more often. The jazz influence is very clear but it doesn't make it not heavy only more unique which is genuinly great. If this guy played with a metal band his sound would set them aside from lots of bands. And also have to point out that usage of muting the Tom's after the fill was top notch and shows an understanding of dynamics even in a genre he's not used to. Jazz musicians really are gods.
So true! Go to pretty much any drum group and you hear nothing but animosity from jazz drummers towards metal. Very closed minded. This was very refreshing to see and hear. Well done my dude! 🤘🤘
This has been done before it’s called “Candiria”, this NY hardcore band had a huge jazz influence and their drummer Kenneth Schalk really let his jazz drumming shine in every track.
Gar Samuelson was a jazz fusion drummer who wound up playing for Megadeth in the 80's. His playing was groundbreaking and helped put thrash metal on the map. You did fantastic.
6:24 The jazziest fill in the song is literally the best part lol This is why, as a mostly metal drummer, I really want more jazz in my vocab, great job!
As you said “with mistakes and all”.There might have been some slight hiccups, but for someone that is a jazz player going into one of the most ridiculous play styles in metal ( while being taught some technique from someone younger than you) you absolutely shredded those jazz cymbals with your new found double bass. You were simply made to play the drums. Mad respect and SUBSCRIBED Edit: I listened again with headphones bc the first listen I was listening through my phone speaker which made it sounds you went off beat sometimes, but really that was beyond exceptional, pls forgive me
Honestly man, for just learning how to do that with your own twist was really impressive. Watching you go from jazz to DC was cool. I’d like to see what else you could do. Subbed
The technique you showed at the beginning is actually much trickier to play than a normal blast beat, and it's called the "gravity blast". If you want to get it smoother and faster, the trick is to position your hand more like you're doing a side-stick hit so that the top of your hand is facing straight up, with the stick at roughly a 30-45 degree angle. Then, rather than bending your wrist (which would seem like the thing to do), lock your wrist, and just do a fluid down-up motion. Keep your fingers relaxed enough to allow the stick to bounce, and just dial in the feel until it comes through as an even, clean sound. When you find it, the stick does all the bounce work for you, and you just have to practice to be able to move your wrist that way at higher speeds. Some drummers may use more wrist for that blast, but it's whatever feels right to you. It's definitely a more advanced level blast though. I personally have the most fun with the "traditional" or "euro" blast, which is just alternating single stroke 16ths with the hands and 8th notes with the feet, with the left hand doing something between a ghost note and a normal hit. Feels really nice to play.
You’ve captured an actual performance. This is already much better than most of deathcore bands and drummers using Superior Drummer on their records. Well done my man!
@@proudtobeanamerican1997 Death anything is cringe lol. You literally delete all melody and insert chugs and blast beats for 2 minutes straight. Reeeee.
As a guy who doesn’t like most metal: I know it’s hard. A lot of is is really fucking hard. But ultimately all music is noise and some people just don’t like if that noise is hard on the ears. I’ve been to like one or two metal concerts and jammed with metal musicians and I honestly can say I probably won’t ever be a fan, even if I respect their talent. I do love Sabbath and Deep Purple though.
I'm a tech death metal guy. Metal core makes me want to take a poop. I hate death core. Say metal drummers can't play jazz to; Mike Portnoy, Charlie Benante, Gene Hoglan, Derek Roddy, Samus Paulicelli, Jason Bittner, George Kollias, and more and more.
@@proudtobeanamerican1997 define tech death metal. Is that like the crazy shit that Rings of Saturn plays or is it something I'm less familiar with? I'm pretty inexperienced with cores other than groove metal and generic heavy metal, so I just don't know.
@@ZachoLibre Rings of saturn is but if they had generic death metal guitars they wouldn't because there drumming is more like metal core drumming and easy to play for these tech death drummers. Hear are some bands aka also my favorites. Decapitated maybe would count, I'm not sure, Nile, Hate Eternal, and Decrepit Birth
2:17 this is actually a so called "gravity blast". the regular blast beat is just simple continuous single strokes (but very fast :D). the gravity blast is a little tricky to figure out at first, but once you got it, you can play ridiculous speeds with just one hand (like 16ths at 300 bpm).
@@mattwebb4561 you‘re right, the technique itself is a pivot roll and - like probably every technique 😅 - has it‘s roots in jazz. in metal you use this technique to play gravity blasts, but „gravity blast“ is of course not the name of the technique. i probably should have been more clear about that. 🙂 i mainly wanted to point out that, what the guy showed him, were not regular blast beats, which are (usualy) played using the finger control technique.
That was amazing, you wana be our drummer?
Lol
He dosent have enough toms or cymbals
@@ManMan-fk3cj exactly the cymbals need to be 18" crispy loud ear busting crashes
@@Chain_Star_Productions no he needs a China
@@ManMan-fk3cj he has a custom stack and that’s just as good
There's just something about hearing deathcore on a kit that's tuned for tight, snappy jazz stuff.... Time to start a jazzcore band
Naked City. The Ultimate Jazzcore.
Candiria covered that 2 decades ago
@@armourofcontempt was gonna say mr bungle but john zorn helped produce their albums (or at least their self titled) so it has a lot of his influence on it. Naked city is great
A return to the early 2010s?
That snare on City Of Evil
Edit: Just before someone says it, I know a7x isn't deathcore, I was just pointing out an example.
I love how you say "get ready to cringe" to at least a thousand people who would commit felonies in order get you as the drummer in their bands lol
He's not wrong. I've found more comments about his kit sound than pedal technique.
What would you know Misfit
Joking
smashed that 666th like B)
I know I would
@Michael Wereley Even so, as simple as they may be...
Fitment between the melody and the percussion is what makes something sound good.
He definitely has skill, and is a really good drummer into the genre he fits in. My opinion.
That kid taught you a gravity blast as your first blast beat.
1.That kid is a sadist
2.That’s like starting on expert mode.
You know you have to come out strong to impress your drum teacher
He also taught him wrong from the looks of things lol. The rim is the fulcrum you're not supposed to strike it as a hit itself.
my brother kid loves song
@@wolfumz hahahaha yes 👏 !!!
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I'm here to tell you that we (metal heads) consider jazz to be THE pinnacle of music difficulty no matter how hard we practice we always look up and FEAR jazz musicians. and I'm being completely honest.
beautiful playing and extreme precise timing. sharp as a razor.. best of luck.
truth
Jazz is lame, it makes me fall asleep.
@@Heatwave9000 uhh, maybe that's what people who listen to jazz want?
@@Heatwave9000 I fall asleep to john coltrane's Accention album ngl
All metal heads? Speak for yourself.. Classical is much harder than jazz.
I like how he's still using like high expression jazz cymbals for metal and it still sounds good
yeah, i think this definately give a new vibe to metal stuff
I wouldn’t really consider those jazz cymbals with the exception of the main ride. Matt Garstka uses similar cymbals and does primarily prog metal.
Especially the trash crash and the stack lol
@@professoralexburnerofstone yea, thinner byzance cymbals don't last heavy hitting, but they sound soooo good
@@diegosillas1034 umm... the thinner the cymbal, the more equipped it is to handle being bashed on. Heavy cymbals don’t last beatings man. Where did you learn this?
The "jazz" tuning of the toms brings out another element. I cant explain it
Reminds me of meshuggah toms especially from the "Nothing" album
bongos
For me it starts to sound like grind. And I consider it as a good thing.
@Caleb Eusebio *djazz
I was just thinking I actually like the sound of his kit for Metal. It's unusual, but good unusual. Especially the snare.
As a metalhead and guitar player… we all still hold jazz as the highest level of musicianship, and nothing messes with our confidence more than a jazz musician showing up 😂🤘
I'm a metal guitarist and I have had Jazz players say the same thing to me. They found it crazy that I memorised a full set including solos etc as they all just sight read from notation. Also seen the blood run out of some of my jazz playing friends faces when they see the length of time and speed I can tremolo pick. Different music, different skills.
@@chrisgoblin4857 that’s totally right, different music, different skills.
@@chrisgoblin4857 Where have you seen jazzmen sight-reading (lol) ? It is all about improvisation, being able to use your instrument to express any idea you may have, in any situation. It is not just "another style, another skill" + jazz (and blues) is the real source of all rock, including metal, therefore all this music is a permanent insult to jazz + metalheads can't fucking swing + fuck 'em all
@@nicolasgabet4343 Where? Professional session players. They don't practice as a band at all. Half of the time they don't even know the people they're playing with. Turn up at a corporate event or wedding and then play, get paid and say goodbye.
@@chrisgoblin4857 Yes, but when they play live they aren't sight-reading as in how a classical player would. They just know the music. More than that, most of today's "jazz" isn't jazz anymore, just music inspired by jazz.
Further proof that musicianship is not bound by genre
@Funt Case Your name says it all but slightly reversed
Excellent comment my man!!
@Funt Case Bro maybe he didn’t know if that’s a fake name or if you were really Mr. Case
Sometimes it is
Metal is actually where the most technically proficient musicians in the world go to cut loose. Just look at Alex rudinger with Intronaut or paul Seidel with the ocean
Jazz drummer attempts DeathCore on THE MOST JAZZ KIT YOU'VE EVER SEEN IN YOUR LIFE
i legit lost it to this
I was thinking the set wasn't the right type
lmao
same type of drum kit th-cam.com/video/4yL9ONw5Kno/w-d-xo.html
@@brown_salazar whaddaya mean? Different type of heads, and completely different cymbals. Bright and quick cymbals vs dry and dark cymbals
I swear jazz musicians are literal gods at this point.
theres a reason most music degrees are jazz
thats cringe bro
Yea but they're weird people
@@DrMoe.Lester I agree uni jazz itself is full of socially awkward students, jazz clubs are where it’s at for meeting some cool people and even networking if chill enough
@@userdeleted4723 read the name of the person calling people weird. Dude should be on a list. This drummers skills are phenomenal btw.
More jazz snares in metal pls. Reminds of early korns snare. Tight and snappy
YES! That's EXACTLY what I was thinking as I listened to the track. So good.
That and Mike Portnoy's snare in A Change of Seasons
Also reminds me of Joey Jordison’s snare on the first slipknot album
Entheos has really cranked snares.
@@thereallabow5491 I hear it now. He was originally a jazz drummer as well lol
"This is about to suck guys"
*Plays actually super respectable metal grooves*
I would like your comment, but that would amount to 667 likes...
Zack is a really amazing drummer, so I had no doubt that it would be awesome. Its moreso the beginning that made me crack up, bc that Minecraft death sound...
And the confused meme. And Zack's face
6:27 ultimate death jazz chops unlocked.
Yes! total highlight
Truth!!
Noice
The best part is that you can still hear the jazz accents on this, and it sounds fresh af
Yeah his fills don't have the punch to cut through all that bass but with the drums at the forefront like that it sounds so awesome.
Jazz metal? Death jazz? Dig it either way
From a metal drummer, that fill at 4:06 was consistent and satisfying well done
Jazz Drummer attempts Death Core, sounds a lot like Silent Planet with all that finesse !
Duuuuuude. Silent Planet is the fking best!! :D
Alex Camarena is such a tight drummer.
This being one of the top comments makes me happy
Yessir!
Silent Planet is fucking awesome, been listening to them all the time for the past weeks
1. That was not cringe, that was sick asf
2. You would make a great deathcore/djent drummer
3. Snare 👌🏼 chef kiss 👌🏼 sounds amazing.
Good job man
@Minecraft Platinum Fireworks yes yes the chops as well
that snare really is crisp man
Metal is derivative of jazz, just goes to show man, pretty f'n sick 🤘
It's a jazz drummer, those guys can play anything by nature.
@Hudson Donald lol you wish.
@Hudson Donald More like the beatles couldn't play jazz if their lives depended on it...
@Hudson Donald I play reggaeton
who hurt you, donald?
@Hudson Donald LMAOO
This is more proof that jazz drummers can play any genre of music. They're simply the most talented considering the main genre they play is so musically technical.
Yo, the music world NEEDS more crossovers like this. It exposes people to different content, and ideas they wouldnt naturally encounter. As a BIG metal/ hardcore fan, and fellow drummer I never would have had a ZackGrooves video in my recommended algorithm. Now; I binged about 10 of your videos, am a subscriber to your channel, and plan on practicing some Jazz to broaden my repertoire. Thank you for this!
Yo man. Listen to some Elvin Jones or some Billy Cobham. Those legendary jazz kats rocked harder than most rock groups. Check out some of their stuff! They're insane.
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This is so true. So many people are stuck in one genre.
@@erickzuniga3113 Is that a problem?
@@sugadelicsavagesoul8623 There are some really good rock groups tho too.
Honestly that was better than what most core drummers could do so don't even worry about it haha
because deathcore is comically easy compared to jazz chops. nice of him to be humble about it though.
That 15 year old meth head was right.
Sterling Peterson Drums, How?
@@charityhoax Depends heavily on the band
@@9-seven totally. One of the more outstanding ones like Chris Turner come to mind in more of the metal/death core stuff!
You killed it, but it sounds HILARIOUS on that kit
i honestly think it sounds much better on this kit than on the super over-processed original recording
Yeah same ahah
Sounds like the drums on the two first Korn albums, with the piccolo snare...
This is like The Haunted Made me Do it, also a jazz drummer lol.
Ya.. those toms are pretty small for Metal.. Almost sounds like a childs drum set with the heavy background music.. lol! Still sounded good.. but definitely not the "Typical" deep heavy drum tone you hear on Metal albums.. What is that.. a 14" floor tom? lol... My "small" floor tom is 16"... haha
I love his grooves. More interesting that average metal drummers.
Check out Defeated Sanity. Their drummer, Lille Gruber, is a trained jazz drummer so his fills and grooves are fucking NUTTY
Oh bro if u say so u r not listening to metal,this track is not even real metal and the drums is not that good either,but the guy is doing great
Defeated sanity’s Lille gruber, Archspires Spencer’s prewett , TOOL’s danny Carey, within destruction, and east west blast test
dude the one at 3:20 is so soul enlighteningly groovy.
@@joeyuzwa891 dude I saw them live about 2 weeks ago they're so good !
This guy does better at double bass in his first few days than I can after having practiced for years. SMH
I can relate
Its because hes a jazz drummer and you also need to grow up🤣
Last half of that was completely unnecessary my guy
Foodie findings- I would imagine this guy has probably practiced double bass before
It's cause Jazz drummers have hella solid techniques, jazz drumming is pretty insane sometimes man. I mean, some jazz drummers do tricks with 1 single foot that a lot o metal drummers can't even do with two.
I've been a drummer for like 16 years or so now, mainly metal but jazz was always my 2nd go to. I can say from experience, metal is harder in terms of endurance/stamina, but jazz is way harder in terms of control and discipline.
But if you have control and discipline, then speed and power comes easy
no one:
zack: *plays chops over deathcore riff*
C H O P S
uh chops?
That wouldn't be no one, that would be mathcore, bands like the number twelve looks like you and lye by mistake and such
I hope you know that “chops” mean musical skill, not a form of drumming.
@@AlecWindmiller He meant jazz chops obv
I see you've mastered the single most important aspect of deathcore musicianship: stank face!
Flare those nostrils bruh!
if you vibe it, it's instinct
@@Ew4ya you're not playing metal until you look like suffering from chronic incontinence
its to smell the music better
Cringe?! This was clean as hell dude! I think that cross-genre playing should be required in music schools. As a metal musician I am completely open to learning jazz, blues, etc. stuff. It only makes it better. Seeing you play a metal song like this with a jazz sensibility gives it a whole other dimension. Really opens it up!
Same here dude. I'm mostly a rock/metal/punk/hardcore drummer but over the last year or so I've been learning a lot of jazz, funk and fusion techniques to expand my drumming vernacular and just generally broaden my horizons. It's made my playing a lot more interesting for sure.
He says "get ready to cringe" but then proceeds to absolutely kill it
For real. I'm both disappointed and extremely impressed. Literally no cringe...at all.
@@rjones6801 please elaborate
@@houtarooreki5751 because I expected cringe. There was none to be had.
And because metal drumming content is so rare these days, the community gathered and watched the video together. Making it his 2nd most view in a matter of 2 months
Hello there!
@@junkyardwillie8320 goddamn needherders....
@@magemega4262 i have no clue what that means
@@junkyardwillie8320 damnit I meant to say nerfherders... It's an OT starwars reference lol...
Title - "Attemps.."
Me - Why is he better than most if he is just attempting?
@Carlos Feliciano would make sense
he is actually a very well-practiced drummer, he has a lot more dedication than i do. I am the 15-year-old he was talking about in the vid.
@@chumchumselasticballoonhea5244 nice nice well you must be talented from what i heard lol
imma go out on a limb and say he dis better than the original drummer, the way he mixed the jazz into the deathcore was impressive.
@@chumchumselasticballoonhea5244 something tells me it took him longer than an hour
Imo one of the best and most diverse drummers in deathcore is Brandon Zackey from Enterprise Earth. Dude writes some extremely complex pieces and sounds incredible live. He’s got a pretty extensive background in drum line and even was a part of the blue devils at some point amongst many other word class drum corps groups.
Brandon is the homie!!!
Brandon’s a freak. Q5 are the best quad drummers in drum corps every year and it’s not close.
Your double bass syncopation is really impressive for not playing this genre
I keep hearing the term syncopation and dont know what it means. I'll Google it.
Just googled. Kinda what I thought it was.
@@senditkevin Syncopation literally means off beat. think of 4 beats - 1,2,3,4.... Now break that up into smaller versions - 1 AND 2 AND 3 AND 4 AND. and = off -beat. Syncopation = off-beat.
:)
@@AngrySkipperGC thanks!
Thats what make jazz unique
I THINK WE’RE READY FOR THE BLEED COVER
Will we ever be ready for that? Or clockworks?
do not look down, maybe?
@@Granalfsson it has to be bleed, i need the comparison with bill burr’s cover
@@Granalfsson bro NO ONE is ready for the clockworks cover
I think his feet will bleed by playing bleed.
Moral of the story, deathcore/ death metal needs more jazz drummers in the industry
Lille Grüber
Moral of the story, genres are bullshit and knowing theory will make you a better player irrespective of genre.
@@mosley3485 stfu
Most of the top metal drummers have jazz backgrounds. Aaron Stechauner, for example.
Sean Reinert =DEATH
As a metal head that grew up on jazz kinda stuff; both forms appreciate the same thing, controlled chaos. Sick vid buds 🤘
I actually think that having a jazz background is a huge plus for anyone trying to learn a new genre of music.
and actually jazz is tough genre too! check out buddy rich solo drum!👍
Yep look at Chris Adler
@@parat75 Chris Adler doesn't have a jazz background, does he?
@@darkaquatus I remember watching an interview of him sometime ago and it was mentioned that he either had a jazz background or just knew how to play jazz, can't remember which.
yeah check our george hurley
The irony of him learning a blast beat, is that blast beats originated in jazz music 😂🙌🏽
As did the brutal constant double kick... Looking at you Billy Cobham.
The thing he did in the beginning was a gravity blast. Thats not a normal blast beat. He needs to look into this shit before making a video.
@@Blindashitmetalasfuck
Nobody cares other than cretinous metal heads. And no one cares about metal heads.
@@powbobs Isn't he supposed to be, like, a professional or something? I don't expect him to know the difference. But I do expext him to do even the slightest bit of research. And you'd be surprised how many people in the drumming community expect the people they watch to speak from a place of authority. Even if all you did was ask someone who played in a Death Metal band, OH, LIKE NIK, THE GUY WHO FUCKING ASKED HIM TO COVER THE FUCKING SONG IN THE FIRST PLACE, Or spend 30 seconds checking Wikipedia. Anything is better than saying "I guess this is a blast beat, although I could easily be full of shit, because I didn't bother to do any research". But yeah, im guessing the JAZZ DRUMMER who invented the blast beat probably cares too. Anyway, your dumb. Did you honestly think that shit would work? If your going to try to troll somebody, at least put some fucking effort into it. Jesus...
@@Blindashitmetalasfuck
This is such a typical metal head response.
That’s not a compliment by the way.
“The famous band termina” that was either a jab or compliment
Definitely a compliment. Love those dudes
I mean they should be famous
Nik is everywhere 🤣🤣
they're pretty famous by death core standards lol
@@cjvifisif They're actually pretty underground for Deathcore standards lol
I’m watching this again after a few months... AND... this is still better than most metal drummers in my local scene 😂😂
the snappy jazz snare lowkey sounds so good for this lol
I know!! but, not even Low Key though, Lamb of God's drummers signature snare is a piccolo and remember the early 2000s, every band had this snare sound.
@@DruNature slipknot in the early days when Joey was still in tbe band.
Snappy snares sound good with alot of stuff honestly. I'm surprised it doesn't get used more
its nice and tight.
'It's chain action rather than, like, a trigger pad'
Hold tight everyone, that's an expert right there 😳
underrated comment :D
Typical GC employees lol. Every now and then there’s someone in the guitar or recording department that knows their stuff but I’ve yet to meet anyone in the drum section that has a clue about anything.
Hi I'm a guitarist who doesn't know everything about drums, why is this wrong? 😅
@@RanDieBam Trigger pad, sounds like some sort of button to me
@@RanDieBam Main types of pedal are Direct drive, chain drive, or belt drive. Same as motorcycles. To mention trigger pads whilst looking at a set of manual pedals is a disgrace for an employee
Secret title: Jazz drummer nails death core in a matter of hours 😂
Jazz drummers are in a way better position when it comes to learning another genres.
Already beeing a good / very good drummer definetly helps. But how fast he got the double bass down was still very impressive.
Maybe I've just listened to too many same-y sounding deathcore and death metal drummers, but your jazzy fills are actually unbelievably refreshing in this kind of music. 10/10, you should start a metal band 😂
Dude, love this video. As a metal drummer myself I loved seeing this. Its refreshing to see someone with your CHOPS "struggle" on anything. The gravity was a neat little added bit. Bro. A few months of practice and you'd kill it. Guaranteed. I can CRUSH most core songs, but I am a fucking fish out of water playing jazz. For not playing this type of music you did great. Cheers brother!
Thanks a lot for checking it out bro :’) kiss
@@ZackGrooves Was my pleasure... 😘
4:51 this face told me something good was gonna happen. The next few seconds take you for a ride. This was sick.
Chops 6:28
Agreed completely, holy shit you nailed it like 90%. I've played in hardcore bands for years and still could maybe touch about 75% of this. Fuck yeah dude.
"prepare to cringe"
*proceeds to cover the track like a boss*
For reals, though. This is so good!
The lesson here is:
"Kids, don't ever ever skip leg day. Legs will carry you to most utterly heavy sixteenth triplet-y of places"
Very nice Zack, luv u
Yeah, I have been play double bass for like almost 5 months and I still can’t go as fast or as clean as he did in a day
fuckin same
Nowadays everyrhing is so highly produced and clean. Its really refreshing to hear such a snappy and raw kit. No quatizing, no post eq, just the bing bongs
The masculine way of shopping:
- I need a double pedal
- Here's one
- I'll take it
I chuckled at this longer and harder than I should've, in this day and age. I'm willing to admit that.
thats so true
That's how I shop. It saves time.
That's the only way of doing it ..
Speedrun shopping
It's not the first time I've heard jazz drumming in metal but everytime I heard it, it's always damn refreshing.
im a jazzist and the first time i listened to metal i thought they were using gunshot samples for drums and this just sounds way nicer on the ear tbh
@@pollosasadosalcarbon From what it sounds like, some metal songs use samples. The programming used is v cut and dry, no dynamics and whatnot.
*ahem* Bill Ward
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how good his snare sounds?
Yes
Sounds like a
Snare
It’s way too ringy
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf *INFINITE IQ*
It’s cuz I know stuff, bow down.
I REALLY like your approach to this style. Like… a lot. It kicked massive amounts of ass. Your jazz background gave you so much advantage in the pocket department. Fuck yeah, bro. 🤘
Jazz ghost notes + metal drumming = Mario Duplantier
This guy is awesome!
Can you teach me how to fly?
@@HeavyRaiden I'd love to move slowly in the air.
matt halpern 100
France represent !
As a guitar player and someone who can’t play the drums, this was sick af.
As a guitarist who can do metal drumming; This right there was a masterpiece. Every metal band in the fucking world would want this.
As a drummer who can't play that technical, that was sick
imagine the spin he would throw on a metal track as a jazz drummer!!!
Same.. makes me wanna pick up playing the kit
Yeah, this dude is sick af! Guitar player here too, lol
Now it should be: "death core drummer attempts: JAZZ"
Thanks for the likes :*) I appreciate it ya'll
Look up Voice of trespass by a band called between the buried and me. I think that's pretty much what you're asking for :)
@@MrLowery97 aye, fucking love between the buried and me
Aaron Kitcher would like to know your location
@@Fragments_Ov_Shattered_Malice_ Ain’t that the guy who has zero dynamics in his drumming?
@@ricksterdrummer2170 hes the drummer in infant annihilator
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06:01 and 06:23 was fire! Letting the jazz shine trough :D nice
"Attempts" to play death core
*plays better than most death core drummers*
@Funt Case I'm just going to toss Emmure out there, they're awful.
@@sahamal_savu I wouldn't really consider Emmure deathcore look up The Hopewell Furnace that's deathcore
Facts
He’s definitely good but like that’s a funny joke
I feel like knowing Jazz just makes everything else easier
“I was just chillin out, watching some Lana Rhoades”
We really not gon talk about that, huh?
Yup😂😂😂😂
I SPRINTED to the comments to see if anyone else was gonna talk about that
It took me a little bit to figure that out
In NNN too nonetheless
I was gonna point that out
lmao my mind assumed he said lana del rey and didnt flinch
“Mistakes and all”
Spoken like a true musician: the only one to know where they even are haha
"Mistakes were made. Lives were lost."
That was fire my dude! Love seeing drummers step out of their comfort zone especially when they kill it like you did💯
Next video: jazz drummer covers "Bleed" by meshuggah
Clockworks....
His legs:
guess i'll die
Jazz drummer bleeds while covering Meshuggah.
PLLLLLEASE!!
Right in the deep water baby 🤘🏿
His drums still sounds jazzy. How cool is that fusion
Right? What an interesting sound. Though today the whole kit would be sampled and compressed out of existence on the album.
I think the drums he has are inherently also more jazzy in their sound. Drums have their own feel along with their look. And it's minute but they do be different.
Many may dislike this type of metal but they cannot deny that you have to be unbelievably talented to play it. Kudos to you for going out of your comfort zone and nailing it as well as you did. I think you gained the respect of the members of Termina and all other metal heads.
As a long time metal drummer i can very much confirm this, especially when working on double bass.
I don't usually listen to metal and I don't play drums at all, and upon listening to this, I was sort of just stunned into silence. This genre's percussion is just built totally different than any sounds I've ever heard before, and it both looks and sounds WICKED difficult.
@@Just_Sara If you want to ease in to the world of Metal I cannot recommend Opeth enough. Start with their latest albums and work backwards - you'll get a journey from very melodic, ballad-like progressive rock, through progressive metal and all the way to melodic death (?) metal.
If that doesn't "scare" you away, try "Black Crown Initiate" and "Ne Obliviscaris", then maybe "Lamb of God" and throw in some "Slugdge" (sic) in to the mix. Pretty varied sounds between these but drums-wise - all absolutely amazing.
Yeah I dislike metal for the most part I tried blast beating because I thought it looked easy and my feet couldn't keep up
@@Just_Sara jazz can be just as hard
the jazz fills and chops made this sound SOO good
I love this. Death/Jazz fusion is the next wave.
check out chris turner !!
Atheist be like
I still like Jared Dines fake genre of Djazz
Calculating Infinity says hello...
Its called Djent my friend
He’s like “yeah im gonna stink” then proceeds to play better than I could if i tried😂
This was my favorite metal drumming I've ever heard. A lot less clutter and noise, very unique breakdowns and transitions and beat patterns constantly changing hardly ever repeating anything twice exactly the same. So awesome
On a vaguely related note... have you heard the album Stanton Moore did with Corrosion of Conformity?
This is the awesomeness of blending styles. Kind of an extreme example BUT, if he had a few weeks to really get a feel for this style, I bet you’d end up with an awesome, super original sub-genre (that’s what this is but it could be even better given more time).
@@davidmedeiros8998 He reminds me of Calton Carly Barret .
Sean Reinart changed the game in the metal world recording on Death’s 1991 album Human. He was 19, jazz trained & brought so much diversity to an ever saturated young genre. It was the album that truly brought intelligence to death metal music. Check it out!
You should try and learn a periphery song. The drummer is insane and it’ll be fun to see you try and attempt it
I second this!
Good shout
waiting
He should learn 22 Faces
And they are unabashedly influenced by jazz musicians too
This was actually extremely satisfying to say not bad at all.
YT Winning comment right here!
I love how that snare sound. I'm a metalhead and I think it's better than the overproduced stuff we hear in modern metal.
💯 so sick of hearing the same effing samples in every metal song nowadays
as a dude with no knowledge about drumming, can you point out a song as an example? i keep seeing these comments about overproduced stuff but just have no idea about any of it. and maybe an example of a song that isn’t overproduced? thanks to anyone who answers!
@@fizzysh4rk Hi! you have both exemple here. listen to the original track with the link in the description, then come back listen to the drums in this video. I'm pretty sure this is programmed drum machine using samples in the original (the over quantized machine gun effect with every hit at max velocity), compared to Zach playing a real drum kit with a single microphone to record it. this is a good exemple of "overproduced" VS "next to no production at all".
His snare sounds like old Snapcase, super high pitched and super aggressive
@@tpags7398 yes exactly, do you like it too? it's a matter of taste, but I prefer an organic sound and the human "feel" of a real drummer with a single mic rather than a drum software playing midi, full force, 100% quantized to the grid with 10 layers of plugins to process it. those tasty fills with the ghost notes and all... you can't program that. and I'm just a random metal "bedroom producer" using superior drummer for my drums. man I spend HOURS trying to humanize my midi and I mainly use unprocessed kits. when I hear stuff with drums like that deathcore track, I'm like "GTFO"..... it's more electro than metal to me. I think it's lazy.
Honestly I'd like to hear this level of snare finesse and articulation more often. The jazz influence is very clear but it doesn't make it not heavy only more unique which is genuinly great. If this guy played with a metal band his sound would set them aside from lots of bands. And also have to point out that usage of muting the Tom's after the fill was top notch and shows an understanding of dynamics even in a genre he's not used to. Jazz musicians really are gods.
Your versions of “bad” is still better than Mosts “good”. I give you an 11/10.
"its too hard", "i never play deathcore" he plays the shit like a god...
I love how nice and open he is to metal, some other jazz drummers are very hostile, not to say some metal drummers aren’t like that
So true! Go to pretty much any drum group and you hear nothing but animosity from jazz drummers towards metal. Very closed minded. This was very refreshing to see and hear. Well done my dude! 🤘🤘
That was insane! Also Zack just became much more relatable as he went back to the learning phase where you suck until you practice forever. LOOOL
I’d like to hear “Demolisher” by Slaughter to Prevail on that kit.
Its impossible for him🤐
Sameee
It's a alright song honestly
I like some lorna shore, there new album is brutal.
It'd be too easy for him.
This has been done before it’s called “Candiria”, this NY hardcore band had a huge jazz influence and their drummer Kenneth Schalk really let his jazz drumming shine in every track.
Gar Samuelson was a jazz fusion drummer who wound up playing for Megadeth in the 80's. His playing was groundbreaking and helped put thrash metal on the map. You did fantastic.
Fantastic! As a jazz/rock drummer myself I like your take on that style of drumming!
3:20
Thought that was something else for a second..
well he was watching lana rhoades
DUDEEE!!! xDDDDDDDDDDD
Its called ph core
Thought it's just me that noticed🤣
well, now we are 6 men of culture who notice the reference. 🤣
6:24 The jazziest fill in the song is literally the best part lol This is why, as a mostly metal drummer, I really want more jazz in my vocab, great job!
Jazz drummer or not, you can’t ignore how tight your play through was.
That's was awesome bro!!! No complaints from this metal head 🤘🏾
As you said “with mistakes and all”.There might have been some slight hiccups, but for someone that is a jazz player going into one of the most ridiculous play styles in metal ( while being taught some technique from someone younger than you) you absolutely shredded those jazz cymbals with your new found double bass. You were simply made to play the drums. Mad respect and SUBSCRIBED
Edit: I listened again with headphones bc the first listen I was listening through my phone speaker which made it sounds you went off beat sometimes, but really that was beyond exceptional, pls forgive me
I'm not saying anything, but
3:21
your words speak volumes to the community
Yesses kkkj
I dont get it
@@williamzhang970
You lucky bastard
I think I get it now, is it the PH theme? The double kicks confused me
3:21 I’m sure we all thought he was playing “the thing” at first
Mmm So Curious😲😮
😂 😂 He just couldn't do it
I was searching for this comment, exactly my thoughts
Hahahaha that was my first thought too! 🤣🤣🤣
I expected the liccc actually
Honestly man, for just learning how to do that with your own twist was really impressive. Watching you go from jazz to DC was cool. I’d like to see what else you could do. Subbed
I love that he goes from never playing double kick to pretty much expert level in just over an hour.
The technique you showed at the beginning is actually much trickier to play than a normal blast beat, and it's called the "gravity blast". If you want to get it smoother and faster, the trick is to position your hand more like you're doing a side-stick hit so that the top of your hand is facing straight up, with the stick at roughly a 30-45 degree angle. Then, rather than bending your wrist (which would seem like the thing to do), lock your wrist, and just do a fluid down-up motion. Keep your fingers relaxed enough to allow the stick to bounce, and just dial in the feel until it comes through as an even, clean sound. When you find it, the stick does all the bounce work for you, and you just have to practice to be able to move your wrist that way at higher speeds. Some drummers may use more wrist for that blast, but it's whatever feels right to you. It's definitely a more advanced level blast though. I personally have the most fun with the "traditional" or "euro" blast, which is just alternating single stroke 16ths with the hands and 8th notes with the feet, with the left hand doing something between a ghost note and a normal hit. Feels really nice to play.
You’ve captured an actual performance. This is already much better than most of deathcore bands and drummers using Superior Drummer on their records. Well done my man!
Love that tiny jazzy triplet feel touch on the death metal. Very cool! Sound a bit like old school Groove Metal. Love that s***! Good job!
Cringe? I think this guy needs a Xanax because it looked and sounded fine.
Sucks? He gd
You got baited bruv
Metal core is cringe. Death Metal on top.
@@proudtobeanamerican1997 Death anything is cringe lol. You literally delete all melody and insert chugs and blast beats for 2 minutes straight. Reeeee.
@@joshlynch5676 imagine saying that but you are cringe yourself by putting, "Reeeee." Or is this like a whoosh type thing?
People Who Don't Like Metal: "That just sounds like noise! LOL - those dudes can't play!"
Actual Jazz Drummer: "Holy shit, that's hard!"
As a guy who doesn’t like most metal:
I know it’s hard. A lot of is is really fucking hard. But ultimately all music is noise and some people just don’t like if that noise is hard on the ears. I’ve been to like one or two metal concerts and jammed with metal musicians and I honestly can say I probably won’t ever be a fan, even if I respect their talent.
I do love Sabbath and Deep Purple though.
I'm a tech death metal guy. Metal core makes me want to take a poop. I hate death core. Say metal drummers can't play jazz to; Mike Portnoy, Charlie Benante, Gene Hoglan, Derek Roddy, Samus Paulicelli, Jason Bittner, George Kollias, and more and more.
@@proudtobeanamerican1997 define tech death metal. Is that like the crazy shit that Rings of Saturn plays or is it something I'm less familiar with? I'm pretty inexperienced with cores other than groove metal and generic heavy metal, so I just don't know.
@@ZachoLibre Rings of saturn is but if they had generic death metal guitars they wouldn't because there drumming is more like metal core drumming and easy to play for these tech death drummers. Hear are some bands aka also my favorites. Decapitated maybe would count, I'm not sure, Nile, Hate Eternal, and Decrepit Birth
Metal head: "It's hard to play so it must be good!"
2:17 this is actually a so called "gravity blast". the regular blast beat is just simple continuous single strokes (but very fast :D).
the gravity blast is a little tricky to figure out at first, but once you got it, you can play ridiculous speeds with just one hand (like 16ths at 300 bpm).
It’s actually a jazz technique and called a pivot roll. I like that a jazz drummer learned it from a metal drummer though!
@@mattwebb4561 you‘re right, the technique itself is a pivot roll and - like probably every technique 😅 - has it‘s roots in jazz.
in metal you use this technique to play gravity blasts, but „gravity blast“ is of course not the name of the technique. i probably should have been more clear about that. 🙂
i mainly wanted to point out that, what the guy showed him, were not regular blast beats, which are (usualy) played using the finger control technique.
Actually, double stroke/pivot roll/whatever originates in marching band drumming, which is FAR older than jazz and metal's lifespans combined
I love when somebody so humble killin the stage. Much appreciated.
"Prepare to cringe" >proceeds to play it perfectly respectably and with feeling lol. Let's see a Car Bomb track next
LMAOOOO dude, I would love to see the horror on drummer’s face the first time they hear car bomb and realize they have to learn how to play it
FUCK YES!!! CAR BOMB PLS!!
Fuck yeah.
Elliott is a fucking beast.
Zack: '' Watching some Lana Rhoades, "
Me: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He’s a man of culture lol
@@calebengland77 Yes
shes the goat
Using Ghost notes in a deathcore fill Is the funniest thing i've ever seen
Great job man 💪
Ghost notes in deathcore becomes one of those very gnarly djent bands
That was pretty damn good man. Jazz drummers are special.
Love the Jazz snare drum sound in metal.