Mine leaks round the sides at the group head 😭 and spins sometimes! Has any else experienced this? looking at the comparison between the naked and the original delonghi portafilter the ears/wings are slightly different. Could that be it?
I had the same issue with Ali's single shot basket (th-cam.com/video/6y_yJWqekVk/w-d-xo.html) and later the same leakage developed with the double shot one (two weeks after I made this video). That may have had to do with a defect in my machine. Check if your locking rams are still into place (see here th-cam.com/video/CmTZSin4gOY/w-d-xo.html ) Worst cae scenario, which I couldn't test, is that the different ears of Ali's porta, damage the ramps in the delonghi's group head. Be careful.
@@mjbartending Thanks, yes locking rams still in place thankfully and have defaulted back to non pressurised basket in the original but modified delonghi portafilter. I only had one good shot from the naked portafilter before it started leaking... And have only tried 2 or 3 times after before getting frustrated. Think I'll modify my delonghi portafilter and take the bottom off... But not as much as you did!
@@Becs2158 strange but important that you had it too, other users should definately be aware of this. Haha, yes you shouldn't skin your factory porta as much as I did! :'D
I have the exact same problem, I think the ears of the alibaba portafilter is slightly thinner creating a gap between the group head and the filter causing the leak
It seems to be a great portafilter indeed. The only downside I've noticed: it doesn't have any groove (crease) on the edges to facilitate the removal of the filter basket. Is it more difficult to remove the basket than the original?
Without knowledge of this video, I got the same basket for my DeLonghi, even the same handle, but with 3 metal prongs for the dedica. However, in my case it's not 50 mm, but rather 51,5 as the 51mm tamper which I used before on the pressurised basket sits rather loosely. Highest dose for the basket is 17 grams.
bought the bottomless from ali express, and in terms of taste (so far) I don't see the point of going through the hassle. will experiment more with the coarsens and the amount of coffee I put inside but in general the original (pressurized) is simpler , cleaner and the fake crema is just fine.
If you can get the flavours where they should be, a pressurized filter is good enough for the normal user. What do you mean with cleaner though? Are there grinds coming through the filter?
Thank you for the video. I have an IMS La Pavoni post-2000 basket (b602th25) which I use in my ROK espresso. Would this fit? I would like to use the basket in a Delonghi machine.
The regular La Pavoni Europiccola double shot basket holds up to near 17 grams and the competition version up to 20 grams. In both cases, you will need to flatten the bulged rim to create a seal in your DeLonghi. 20g version here: www.theespressoshop.co.uk/en/La-Pavoni-Lever-IMS-20g-Competition-Filter-Basket---2272018/m-4454.aspx
Through the filter or form the group head? IF you get streams trough the filter then it's called 'channelling', which you can prevent/improve by better distribution (see my latest la pavoni update). If it splashes from the side, then there is probably a seal problem. Could be the portafilter's ears aren't thick enough to fully lock the gap between the filter and station closed.
Just bought this delonghi naked portafilter from a site called Coffee Nerd. Spent the last week trying to dial it in but still yet to get a good espresso out of it.
@@mjbartending I use 15/16 grams, a WDT tool and a spring loaded tamper. I don’t have the best grinder so that could be part of the problem but at the finest setting the espresso takes about 45-60 seconds and anything coarser I just get spray and a very quick espresso without crema!🤷🏻♂️
@@mjbartending I’ve tried reducing the dosage but didn’t make any difference. I can only reduce it so much as I need the basket full enough or my 51mm tamper and puck screen don’t fit into the basket as it’s tapered.
Very Interesting 🤔. Nice setup. I am stil learning. Going from a Nespresso to a Delonghi 685. I am going to watch all you’re videos. Keep up being a barista 👍🙏🐕🙋🏼♂️🇳🇱🤩☕️
Thank you! I see your learning curve going up, well done. A Dedica is a good get-to-know espressomachine. Just be gentle when inserting yoir portafilter into the group head.
When I used the stock one I had no idea how dialing in worked so my coffee came out watery. In general, the original basket forces crema even though your grind may be way off. The end result will most likely be unbalanced in one or more ways.
I keep being amazed how much others can cram into that basket. Do you use a special 3-shot basket? I now put 16g in my la Pavoni, usong the same basket. I might be able to add 2 grs or so, but the the pressure becomes too high.
@@tigerdoc1846 i gotcha. I simply never managed to get that much coffee in my basket. Once I got in 18g but it wouldn't extract. If you can do it, that's perfecrly fine and in fact a popular approach in my local roaster's café: higher dosage but coarser grind.
@@mjbartending try separating the fines from your ground coffee, this will let the flakey sides of the grounds fit within the now available pits of the neighboring grounds, also pour the ground coffee into the basket in stages, I do it in 3 stages, I shake between each stage to level/flatten the "mound". I have the same portafilter I can put 18g now, started at 15g.
The double shot ones: no, unless you cut the top of in plastic insert away (which is very easy). Single shot: perhaps, I can't double check because my Delonghi is gone.
Based on it's stats I would have to conclude yes: you do get more precise grind adjustment out of the box. Tweaking is also made more easy by directly manipulating the grind wheel instead of having to add or remove washers underneath the cone. 20% larger reservoir which is good if you drink a lot, but bad if not since the beans will go stale quicker. All in all, a better choice imho.
Hola, una consulta ? Tengo una maquina DEDICA de Delonghi y adquirí hace unos días un Portafiltro de café sin fondo de 51MM y al hacer el café resulta que sale super liquido, no sale cremoso , sale aguado, como que pasara el agua super facil por el café no obteiendo un resultado de calidad. Pero cuando vuelvo a utilizar el porta filtros original de la caferea si, sale todo normal. Cual puede ser el error ??
Hola Sebastian, el problema es que el filtro original forzará el espresso a través de un pequeño agujero solo, para 'fingir' un buen espresso. En verdad, el equilibrio de un tan espresso no está necesariamente bueno. Tienes que ajustar la fineza de tu café con tu molinillo hasta el shot viene correctamente de tu filtro sin fondo. Porque tu espresso actualmente es demasiado liquido, tienes que empezar moler tu café más fino. Puedes usar el tiempo tambien para juzgar/estimar la calidad: hacer un buen shot lleva cerca 20-30 segundos, de principio a fin.
Hello there, I have a issue with the bottomless portfilter, I have exactly the same coffee machine like yours and also bought myself a bottomless portfilter, but it spill everywhere!! This is where I get myself headache. Need some advice.
Hey Andrew, you must mean sputtering? Chanelling is the main cause. Good coffee distribution is key. Repeatedly tap or shake your portafilter while filling it with coffee. Tap again when full. Then gently close around all the edges by pushing grinds in them with your finger and level the top. If you have leveller you can then use that for deep levelling. Then take your tamper and make sure it is clean: any old coffee stuck to the bottom can cause a surface channel. Tamp as horizontally as possible. Not to hard but also not too light: you must compress any non-visible deep channels. That's where the recommended 15kg tamp pressure comes from. For me, these rules make a big difference. I may still have the occasional small channels but mostly a nicely centered flow with almost no sputtering.
I actually have the same problem and its not chanelling at all. Its the portafilter itself, which leaks when the machine builds up pressure. I used the bottomless portafilter 4 months now and only extra rubber gaskets placed under the basket (for spacing so that it seals better) helped. However, I needed to change the gasket of the machine itself, 3 times now, as it broke using this portafilter. The portafilter itself even spins out of its locking position when it builds up pressure, I need to hold it during extraction. I am not sure if its only mine and if its an exception but all in all, I cannot recommend it, it made me much trubble and a lot of headache. Nice video howsoever! Love your content, keep it up! Cheers.
@@clemensrausch23 an update also for @Andrew 666, with longer use I found that this portafilter can not handle the finer grinds. I tried getting a single shot out of various double shot baskets but the filter started to and kept leaking. On top of it, a plastic "locking ramp insert" became dislodged a few days ago so neither portafilters would lock anymore. Not sure if the aliexpress model caused this or whether it's due to normal wear and tear. Either way, my machine is now in repairs. I'll report back on the warranty handling. I will carefully try the aliexpress model one more time once my machine is back, to test whether it leaked because the seal ramp had already deteriorared prior.
Thank you so much for the update! My machine began leaking as well around the portafilter (not only the aliexpress one, but also the original one did not work anymore). I inspected the gasket and it appeared to have a fine crack, leading to water dropping out at the side of the portafilters. However changing the gasket (5€ on Amazon) fixed the problem. I think the crack was caused by too much pressure and when the AliExpress portafilter spun out of the holding mechinism leading to mechanical force on the gasket. I think I will just go on with the modified bottomless original one, to keep me free from this mess! Thanks tho for answering! Cheers from Austria, Clemens
Does anyone know if it is possible to fit that bottomless basket dedicated to Delonghi into Krups XPS Calvi 3440? They look simmilar and have simillar dimensions but they can differ here and there.
I am not sure myself but if at all, try the model with the same no of locking points. Yours has 3, right? I also read that the outer diameter of the krupss porta is 60mm. On my aliexpress porta this is 58mm. A slight difference, as you mentioned. You could measure rhe diameter of the group head's screen to see if it is much larger. If so, the porta possibly may not reach the gasket to enable seal.
@@mjbartending @castillo2u Today I was in local home appliances store and tried to fit Dedica's basket into Krupps' group head and it didn't fit. I found out that those latches in Delonghi's basket are just a little too long and the outside diameter is also to big. After that I've decided to stick with OEM basket from Krupps but buy bottomless portafilter which is dedicated for Delongi (it says that it also fits Krupps machines but it's around 5mm too deep) and throw away this plastic center part (with it mounted on the new portafilter will not fit).
I'm using the ECP35. 31. I can't say mine will fit yours. From pictures alonr I can tell the ec155 porta has some sort of cut out that the ecp porta hasn't. Aliexpress does list which models they are suitable for and they seem to be making different variants for different delonghi series, but I haven't seen one for tje 155 yet...
Here's one vendor. Be sure to pick the right diameter + number of ramps nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005101494129.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%2140.13%2123.68%21%21%21%21%21%402132b0c616797498122237600e0401%2112000031663520309%21affd&dp=eabd75663bfd2ccd6a3986c9f33bb6bf&af=1711151&cv=47843&afref=https%3A%2F%2Fanazar.com&mall_affr=pr3&aff_fcid=7946016aabae45058510abe236aff56a-1680190488833-06317&aff_fsk&aff_platform=api-new-hotproduct-download&sk&aff_trace_key=7946016aabae45058510abe236aff56a-1680190488833-06317&terminal_id=6d93a5a361ba40b59da040e72b83af48&afSmartRedirect=y
The non-pressurized filterbasket yes, the portafilter I don't think so. They make the same naked porta with 3 locking points for the dedica, try that one instead.
Sir, is it okay using 49mm tamper for that basket filter from AliExpress? Or will it have a huge gap between the circumference that can result of channeling? Because I want to use single espresso shot too for my double cup basket. Thank you!
@@mjbartending I bought a 51mm tamper but it cannot tamp single shots just like you demonstrated in the vid, that's why I'm looking for smaller tampers just like you suggested, the 50mm one. Now I'm ordering the 50mm one two cups coffee tamper, I hope that it can reach the right depth for tamping at least 7g in my double shot non pressurized filter basket.
@@shippernessity sorry, I thought I had replied already: you could try one of those convex shaped 51mm tampers as well, they reach deeper but you keep the larger diameter.
@@kaitseb8053 It can certainly go deeper but it would still have a somewhat significant gap, fortunately I still have my 51mm tamper, so my approach is to try first the 51mm tamper and then if it still can go deeper, then that's the time I'll use the 50mm (49.7mm). Luckily, I made data of coffee grams that corresponds to what tamper you must use. If you want I can share it here.
Goccha self a new sub dude. I was using the same machine 2 years ago and I madly wanted a bottomless portafilter for it but I couldn't find it at the time. Later then I bought the Sage Oracle and got myself a bottomless. Pretty good. Probably I will compare the 2 machines in taste :) You got me new vibes with these videos bro I'm gonna dust my old DeLonghi machine off :D
So great to hear! I have often heard of the Sage brand, sounds interesting if they have made the effort of offering bottomless. UPDATE: I recognize the oracle now, much praised intermediate model. With its 58mm/22g basket you will get a wholly different cup of coffee. For the fairest comparisson, calibrate your grind to get SINGLE shot with an unpressurized DOUBLE shot DeLonghi basket (approx 15g pre-extraction) . Then calibrate your grind to get a single shot out of the Sage with the same starting dose (15g). Then you will taste the absolute difference in technology. Finally, calibrate another shot from the Sage but with a full filterbasket (approx. 22g). Now you will taste the difference that those extra 7g of beans make: the difference in brew ratio. For now, I hope you can now get more out of your DeLonghi. Enjoy your experiments!
For some reason I didn't see your message pop up! Freshness may be an issue. Do you use preground? If you have any details on your shot (dosage, shot time) that would help.
There are many stores selling them, this is one of them (be sure to select the right model; 2 ears for ECP or 3 ears for Dedica, if I'm correct, please double check! ) a.aliexpress.com/_EIgEeXV
Hi Zenos, I could only find a 54mm naked pirtafilter on aliexpress, with 3 locking points for breville models. Your machine really needs 53mm and 2 locking points. Furthermore, the poemia has been discontinued so third party manufacturers will most likely not tailor the locking points' thickness to fit that machine, rather only to fit newer models. So even if you find a current make 53mm naked portafilter, I doubt that it will fit. Putting a not-perfectly-fitting porta in your machine may cause damage. I had some issues with my naked porta and the machine is now in repairs. I will have to do some more testing when I get it back but these budget models may have some weak points that you can easily overload. My next vid will address this. Here's a good guide to your machine in general: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Saeco_Poemia
I tried these baskets with pre ground coffee and tasted awful i dont know if it has to be freshly grinded specifically for those but there was a huge difference in taste.
@@djtrets ah yes, if you switch from pressurized baskets to these ali express ones, you'll need to carefully fine tune your grind to the filter. Also when you switch coffees. Right now I'm calibrating a new HUGH competition basket to my set up, using coffee I've never tried before (a dutch brand Indonesian Java Jampit). I kind of knew at what finesse to start with based on experiene but after serval tries I'm still not there. It's always a discovery.
@@djtrets yes, that is a very important requirement. The factory pressurized baskets can force a somehwat good coffee out of pregrind or old coffee, but with 'real' baskets you need fresher grinds. When you do get freshly ground coffee, and calibrate your set up well, the reward will be there in flavour, and more control over the result.
@@mjbartending Interesting, because I've seen both what you're saying and someone saying he used none and got some pretty good coffee (th-cam.com/video/yjxCbB8eC0Q/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgywGYsJiyyni1iSYqR4AaABAg.9LrxjgVImKf9LzUNf7qGpZ&ab_channel=Te%26Gab%27sRetreat) guess there's no good answer and just trial and error
@@uribennun8335 I assume he told you in the comments? That'd be cool. The coffee itself can make a difference and his machine has three different temp settings I believe. As you say, it's all in trying to find what works for the individual set up and taste. Ps. From the graef factory the number of rings already installed can vary so if he did not open it up, he could even be grinding with 2 rings without knowing. I did see he did ye ole tie wrap around the steamwand nozzle trick, that's always good👌☕
@@mjbartending yeah absolutely, I guess it's possible he already had rings attached.. 2 is impossible, I tried grinding on finest setting with 2 rings, it ended up pushing ground coffee back up to container rather then down the nozzle, but maybe one ring.. I'll try with and without rings and update if you're interested
@@uribennun8335 yes sure! I too have clogging with 2x 0.2mm washers when finer than setting no. 5. A single 0.25mm washer ground too coarse for my delonghi so I stuck with 2x 0.2 and above setting 5. You could try 1x 0.2mm + 1x 0.25mm and see what that does at #5. I never tried.
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Mine leaks round the sides at the group head 😭 and spins sometimes! Has any else experienced this? looking at the comparison between the naked and the original delonghi portafilter the ears/wings are slightly different. Could that be it?
I had the same issue with Ali's single shot basket (th-cam.com/video/6y_yJWqekVk/w-d-xo.html) and later the same leakage developed with the double shot one (two weeks after I made this video). That may have had to do with a defect in my machine. Check if your locking rams are still into place (see here th-cam.com/video/CmTZSin4gOY/w-d-xo.html )
Worst cae scenario, which I couldn't test, is that the different ears of Ali's porta, damage the ramps in the delonghi's group head. Be careful.
@@mjbartending Thanks, yes locking rams still in place thankfully and have defaulted back to non pressurised basket in the original but modified delonghi portafilter. I only had one good shot from the naked portafilter before it started leaking... And have only tried 2 or 3 times after before getting frustrated.
Think I'll modify my delonghi portafilter and take the bottom off... But not as much as you did!
@@Becs2158 strange but important that you had it too, other users should definately be aware of this. Haha, yes you shouldn't skin your factory porta as much as I did! :'D
I have the exact same problem, I think the ears of the alibaba portafilter is slightly thinner creating a gap between the group head and the filter causing the leak
@@yankitliu5417 the ears are thinner indeed. In the beginning I had no issues though.
I have a 51mm tamper and yes it gets stuck at a certain depth, but when using 16g of coffee, i found that it doesn't really happen
Thanks for the heads up Thomas. ☕👌 It amazes me even more that others can even get 16g to fit without spilling 1g
It seems to be a great portafilter indeed.
The only downside I've noticed: it doesn't have any groove (crease) on the edges to facilitate the removal of the filter basket.
Is it more difficult to remove the basket than the original?
I can't compare the two anymore, but on the positive side, this would also make stay in place when you tap the puck out
@@mjbartending Geeze, push it up from the underneath...
Without knowledge of this video, I got the same basket for my DeLonghi, even the same handle, but with 3 metal prongs for the dedica. However, in my case it's not 50 mm, but rather 51,5 as the 51mm tamper which I used before on the pressurised basket sits rather loosely. Highest dose for the basket is 17 grams.
Good intel, perhaps there is a fixed difference between the 2 and 3-prong portas? Thanks for sharing
bought the bottomless from ali express, and in terms of taste (so far) I don't see the point of going through the hassle. will experiment more with the coarsens and the amount of coffee I put inside but in general the original (pressurized) is simpler , cleaner and the fake crema is just fine.
If you can get the flavours where they should be, a pressurized filter is good enough for the normal user. What do you mean with cleaner though? Are there grinds coming through the filter?
@@mjbartendingнет, он заляпывает все вокруг
Thank you for the video. I have an IMS La Pavoni post-2000 basket (b602th25) which I use in my ROK espresso. Would this fit? I would like to use the basket in a Delonghi machine.
bottomless Baskets from china have big holes and splatter everywhere. any ideas for a good basket that holds around 18gr??
The regular La Pavoni Europiccola double shot basket holds up to near 17 grams and the competition version up to 20 grams. In both cases, you will need to flatten the bulged rim to create a seal in your DeLonghi. 20g version here:
www.theespressoshop.co.uk/en/La-Pavoni-Lever-IMS-20g-Competition-Filter-Basket---2272018/m-4454.aspx
I find with the non pressurised the coffee splashes everywhere !
Through the filter or form the group head? IF you get streams trough the filter then it's called 'channelling', which you can prevent/improve by better distribution (see my latest la pavoni update). If it splashes from the side, then there is probably a seal problem. Could be the portafilter's ears aren't thick enough to fully lock the gap between the filter and station closed.
Just bought this delonghi naked portafilter from a site called Coffee Nerd. Spent the last week trying to dial it in but still yet to get a good espresso out of it.
Can you give me some parameters? Like dosages, finesse and runtime?
@@mjbartending I use 15/16 grams, a WDT tool and a spring loaded tamper. I don’t have the best grinder so that could be part of the problem but at the finest setting the espresso takes about 45-60 seconds and anything coarser I just get spray and a very quick espresso without crema!🤷🏻♂️
@@buttonman6262 and when you keep the fine grind but reduce the dosage in steps of 0.5 grams?
@@mjbartending I’ve tried reducing the dosage but didn’t make any difference. I can only reduce it so much as I need the basket full enough or my 51mm tamper and puck screen don’t fit into the basket as it’s tapered.
@@buttonman6262 ok, as the porta itself won't change the outcome, see if you can try a different filterbasket. Maybe your current one is flawed
Very Interesting 🤔. Nice setup. I am stil learning. Going from a Nespresso to a Delonghi 685. I am going to watch all you’re videos. Keep up being a barista 👍🙏🐕🙋🏼♂️🇳🇱🤩☕️
Thank you! I see your learning curve going up, well done. A Dedica is a good get-to-know espressomachine. Just be gentle when inserting yoir portafilter into the group head.
@@mjbartending Thnx MJ. I will.
what is the difference in terms of taste when comparing this to the original stock filter?
When I used the stock one I had no idea how dialing in worked so my coffee came out watery. In general, the original basket forces crema even though your grind may be way off. The end result will most likely be unbalanced in one or more ways.
I have this exact setup. I think I’ve been going a little heavy with 20g in. I’ll try 15-16 and see if I can get better extraction
I keep being amazed how much others can cram into that basket. Do you use a special 3-shot basket? I now put 16g in my la Pavoni, usong the same basket. I might be able to add 2 grs or so, but the the pressure becomes too high.
@@mjbartending naw man. It’s just a double like yours. Still learning for sure. Even after a year
@@tigerdoc1846 i gotcha. I simply never managed to get that much coffee in my basket. Once I got in 18g but it wouldn't extract. If you can do it, that's perfecrly fine and in fact a popular approach in my local roaster's café: higher dosage but coarser grind.
@@mjbartending try separating the fines from your ground coffee, this will let the flakey sides of the grounds fit within the now available pits of the neighboring grounds, also pour the ground coffee into the basket in stages, I do it in 3 stages, I shake between each stage to level/flatten the "mound". I have the same portafilter I can put 18g now, started at 15g.
@@ChuyR. thank you for the advice Jesus! I'm going to try it. Oh, and kudos for dying for our sins too.
Could you please tell me if the Delonghi ECP3420 uses a 51mm portafilter? If so, which model do you advise me and where to buy it?
Ues, 51mm with two ears. Checkout Capfei, they have one that fits and its bottomless.
can you buy non pressurized basket and put it inside the original delonghi portafilter ? does it fit?
The double shot ones: no, unless you cut the top of in plastic insert away (which is very easy). Single shot: perhaps, I can't double check because my Delonghi is gone.
Can you share the aliexpres link to the portafilter :)
I used this link that my buddy from France sent me: fr.aliexpressDOTcom/item/4000858944156.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7cd06c37JfhslF
Can I use this portafilter with Swan Retro Pump Espresso Coffee Machine ? its also 51mm
Not having that machine myself I can't garuantee anything, but the Ali seller CoffeeVIP store shows a picture of both together. Best contact them!
@@mjbartending thank you a lot I will check not out and order one
Is the Graef 800 any better from the one You have?
Based on it's stats I would have to conclude yes: you do get more precise grind adjustment out of the box. Tweaking is also made more easy by directly manipulating the grind wheel instead of having to add or remove washers underneath the cone. 20% larger reservoir which is good if you drink a lot, but bad if not since the beans will go stale quicker. All in all, a better choice imho.
Hola, una consulta ? Tengo una maquina DEDICA de Delonghi y adquirí hace unos días un Portafiltro de café sin fondo de 51MM y al hacer el café resulta que sale super liquido, no sale cremoso , sale aguado, como que pasara el agua super facil por el café no obteiendo un resultado de calidad. Pero cuando vuelvo a utilizar el porta filtros original de la caferea si, sale todo normal. Cual puede ser el error ??
Hola Sebastian, el problema es que el filtro original forzará el espresso a través de un pequeño agujero solo, para 'fingir' un buen espresso. En verdad, el equilibrio de un tan espresso no está necesariamente bueno. Tienes que ajustar la fineza de tu café con tu molinillo hasta el shot viene correctamente de tu filtro sin fondo. Porque tu espresso actualmente es demasiado liquido, tienes que empezar moler tu café más fino. Puedes usar el tiempo tambien para juzgar/estimar la calidad: hacer un buen shot lleva cerca 20-30 segundos, de principio a fin.
Ademas, mira aquí para una explicación por mí: th-cam.com/video/QCJV28lX2No/w-d-xo.html
@@mjbartending Muchas gracias !!!!
Hello there, I have a issue with the bottomless portfilter, I have exactly the same coffee machine like yours and also bought myself a bottomless portfilter, but it spill everywhere!! This is where I get myself headache. Need some advice.
Hey Andrew, you must mean sputtering? Chanelling is the main cause. Good coffee distribution is key. Repeatedly tap or shake your portafilter while filling it with coffee. Tap again when full. Then gently close around all the edges by pushing grinds in them with your finger and level the top. If you have leveller you can then use that for deep levelling. Then take your tamper and make sure it is clean: any old coffee stuck to the bottom can cause a surface channel. Tamp as horizontally as possible. Not to hard but also not too light: you must compress any non-visible deep channels. That's where the recommended 15kg tamp pressure comes from. For me, these rules make a big difference. I may still have the occasional small channels but mostly a nicely centered flow with almost no sputtering.
I actually have the same problem and its not chanelling at all. Its the portafilter itself, which leaks when the machine builds up pressure. I used the bottomless portafilter 4 months now and only extra rubber gaskets placed under the basket (for spacing so that it seals better) helped. However, I needed to change the gasket of the machine itself, 3 times now, as it broke using this portafilter. The portafilter itself even spins out of its locking position when it builds up pressure, I need to hold it during extraction. I am not sure if its only mine and if its an exception but all in all, I cannot recommend it, it made me much trubble and a lot of headache.
Nice video howsoever! Love your content, keep it up!
Cheers.
@@clemensrausch23 an update also for @Andrew 666, with longer use I found that this portafilter can not handle the finer grinds. I tried getting a single shot out of various double shot baskets but the filter started to and kept leaking. On top of it, a plastic "locking ramp insert" became dislodged a few days ago so neither portafilters would lock anymore. Not sure if the aliexpress model caused this or whether it's due to normal wear and tear. Either way, my machine is now in repairs. I'll report back on the warranty handling. I will carefully try the aliexpress model one more time once my machine is back, to test whether it leaked because the seal ramp had already deteriorared prior.
@@mjbartending thank you so much
Thank you so much for the update! My machine began leaking as well around the portafilter (not only the aliexpress one, but also the original one did not work anymore). I inspected the gasket and it appeared to have a fine crack, leading to water dropping out at the side of the portafilters. However changing the gasket (5€ on Amazon) fixed the problem.
I think the crack was caused by too much pressure and when the AliExpress portafilter spun out of the holding mechinism leading to mechanical force on the gasket.
I think I will just go on with the modified bottomless original one, to keep me free from this mess!
Thanks tho for answering!
Cheers from Austria,
Clemens
Does anyone know if it is possible to fit that bottomless basket dedicated to Delonghi into Krups XPS Calvi 3440? They look simmilar and have simillar dimensions but they can differ here and there.
I am not sure myself but if at all, try the model with the same no of locking points. Yours has 3, right?
I also read that the outer diameter of the krupss porta is 60mm. On my aliexpress porta this is 58mm. A slight difference, as you mentioned. You could measure rhe diameter of the group head's screen to see if it is much larger. If so, the porta possibly may not reach the gasket to enable seal.
@@mjbartending @castillo2u Today I was in local home appliances store and tried to fit Dedica's basket into Krupps' group head and it didn't fit. I found out that those latches in Delonghi's basket are just a little too long and the outside diameter is also to big. After that I've decided to stick with OEM basket from Krupps but buy bottomless portafilter which is dedicated for Delongi (it says that it also fits Krupps machines but it's around 5mm too deep) and throw away this plastic center part (with it mounted on the new portafilter will not fit).
@@TexonStudio You have balls to try that in a store, my compliments ☝️😀 I take the OEM Krupps basket is non-pressurized?
What espresso machine are you using? Would this work with a Delonghi ec155m?
I'm using the ECP35. 31. I can't say mine will fit yours. From pictures alonr I can tell the ec155 porta has some sort of cut out that the ecp porta hasn't. Aliexpress does list which models they are suitable for and they seem to be making different variants for different delonghi series, but I haven't seen one for tje 155 yet...
@@mjbartending thanks good info!
Where did you bought the la pavoni basket?
Hi, I wrote the link as a top comment of this video: th-cam.com/video/emA5NpS8epc/w-d-xo.html
Do you think any 51mm one will fit the Delonghi Bco430
Ali does market one model as such, the one with the two ears. The Bco is listed as compatible: /item/1005003050335161
Ali express link for product ?
Here's one vendor. Be sure to pick the right diameter + number of ramps
nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005101494129.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%2140.13%2123.68%21%21%21%21%21%402132b0c616797498122237600e0401%2112000031663520309%21affd&dp=eabd75663bfd2ccd6a3986c9f33bb6bf&af=1711151&cv=47843&afref=https%3A%2F%2Fanazar.com&mall_affr=pr3&aff_fcid=7946016aabae45058510abe236aff56a-1680190488833-06317&aff_fsk&aff_platform=api-new-hotproduct-download&sk&aff_trace_key=7946016aabae45058510abe236aff56a-1680190488833-06317&terminal_id=6d93a5a361ba40b59da040e72b83af48&afSmartRedirect=y
Can the filter be built into the original one from Dedica?
The non-pressurized filterbasket yes, the portafilter I don't think so. They make the same naked porta with 3 locking points for the dedica, try that one instead.
Sir, is it okay using 49mm tamper for that basket filter from AliExpress? Or will it have a huge gap between the circumference that can result of channeling? Because I want to use single espresso shot too for my double cup basket. Thank you!
Hi Jarold, 49mm will leave a significant gap. Consider a cheap 51mm tamper instead, even plastic if need be.
@@mjbartending I bought a 51mm tamper but it cannot tamp single shots just like you demonstrated in the vid, that's why I'm looking for smaller tampers just like you suggested, the 50mm one. Now I'm ordering the 50mm one two cups coffee tamper, I hope that it can reach the right depth for tamping at least 7g in my double shot non pressurized filter basket.
@@shippernessity sorry, I thought I had replied already: you could try one of those convex shaped 51mm tampers as well, they reach deeper but you keep the larger diameter.
@@shippernessity hey! having the same issue. how is the 50mm tamper working out?
@@kaitseb8053 It can certainly go deeper but it would still have a somewhat significant gap, fortunately I still have my 51mm tamper, so my approach is to try first the 51mm tamper and then if it still can go deeper, then that's the time I'll use the 50mm (49.7mm). Luckily, I made data of coffee grams that corresponds to what tamper you must use. If you want I can share it here.
Sweet update!!! Thanks for the upload
Goccha self a new sub dude. I was using the same machine 2 years ago and I madly wanted a bottomless portafilter for it but I couldn't find it at the time. Later then I bought the Sage Oracle and got myself a bottomless. Pretty good. Probably I will compare the 2 machines in taste :) You got me new vibes with these videos bro I'm gonna dust my old DeLonghi machine off :D
So great to hear! I have often heard of the Sage brand, sounds interesting if they have made the effort of offering bottomless.
UPDATE: I recognize the oracle now, much praised intermediate model. With its 58mm/22g basket you will get a wholly different cup of coffee. For the fairest comparisson, calibrate your grind to get SINGLE shot with an unpressurized DOUBLE shot DeLonghi basket (approx 15g pre-extraction) .
Then calibrate your grind to get a single shot out of the Sage with the same starting dose (15g).
Then you will taste the absolute difference in technology.
Finally, calibrate another shot from the Sage but with a full filterbasket (approx. 22g). Now you will taste the difference that those extra 7g of beans make: the difference in brew ratio.
For now, I hope you can now get more out of your DeLonghi. Enjoy your experiments!
My bottomless gives me absolutely no crema I’m not sure why any tips?
Same here, any reason?
@@M4165 I think it might be because of the coffee freshness? If not grind size I think
For some reason I didn't see your message pop up! Freshness may be an issue. Do you use preground? If you have any details on your shot (dosage, shot time) that would help.
Can i have link for 51mm?
There are many stores selling them, this is one of them (be sure to select the right model; 2 ears for ECP or 3 ears for Dedica, if I'm correct, please double check! )
a.aliexpress.com/_EIgEeXV
I got the same 20g basket
20g? I couldn't fit in that much!
Does 53 mm portafiler fit with saeco poemia ?
Hi Zenos, I could only find a 54mm naked pirtafilter on aliexpress, with 3 locking points for breville models. Your machine really needs 53mm and 2 locking points. Furthermore, the poemia has been discontinued so third party manufacturers will most likely not tailor the locking points' thickness to fit that machine, rather only to fit newer models. So even if you find a current make 53mm naked portafilter, I doubt that it will fit.
Putting a not-perfectly-fitting porta in your machine may cause damage. I had some issues with my naked porta and the machine is now in repairs. I will have to do some more testing when I get it back but these budget models may have some weak points that you can easily overload. My next vid will address this.
Here's a good guide to your machine in general: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Saeco_Poemia
Bottomless FTW :)
I tried these baskets with pre ground coffee and tasted awful i dont know if it has to be freshly grinded specifically for those but there was a huge difference in taste.
Compared to the DeLonghi factory (= pressurized baskets)? If yes, at the same grind setting?
Yes but I have a spanish brand coffee machine cecotec cafelizzia haven’t tried it with freshly grinded coffee yet it might be the reason
@@djtrets ah yes, if you switch from pressurized baskets to these ali express ones, you'll need to carefully fine tune your grind to the filter. Also when you switch coffees. Right now I'm calibrating a new HUGH competition basket to my set up, using coffee I've never tried before (a dutch brand Indonesian Java Jampit). I kind of knew at what finesse to start with based on experiene but after serval tries I'm still not there. It's always a discovery.
But you managed it to get good coffee maybe those baskets require freshly grinded coffee. What do you think?
@@djtrets yes, that is a very important requirement. The factory pressurized baskets can force a somehwat good coffee out of pregrind or old coffee, but with 'real' baskets you need fresher grinds. When you do get freshly ground coffee, and calibrate your set up well, the reward will be there in flavour, and more control over the result.
Do you use any distance rings on the grinder?
If you mean those thin spacers directly underneath the grind cone: yes. For good results with this Delonghi I had two 0.2mm rings installed.
@@mjbartending Interesting, because I've seen both what you're saying and someone saying he used none and got some pretty good coffee (th-cam.com/video/yjxCbB8eC0Q/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgywGYsJiyyni1iSYqR4AaABAg.9LrxjgVImKf9LzUNf7qGpZ&ab_channel=Te%26Gab%27sRetreat)
guess there's no good answer and just trial and error
@@uribennun8335 I assume he told you in the comments? That'd be cool. The coffee itself can make a difference and his machine has three different temp settings I believe. As you say, it's all in trying to find what works for the individual set up and taste.
Ps. From the graef factory the number of rings already installed can vary so if he did not open it up, he could even be grinding with 2 rings without knowing. I did see he did ye ole tie wrap around the steamwand nozzle trick, that's always good👌☕
@@mjbartending yeah absolutely, I guess it's possible he already had rings attached.. 2 is impossible, I tried grinding on finest setting with 2 rings, it ended up pushing ground coffee back up to container rather then down the nozzle, but maybe one ring.. I'll try with and without rings and update if you're interested
@@uribennun8335 yes sure! I too have clogging with 2x 0.2mm washers when finer than setting no. 5. A single 0.25mm washer ground too coarse for my delonghi so I stuck with 2x 0.2 and above setting 5. You could try 1x 0.2mm + 1x 0.25mm and see what that does at #5. I never tried.
Thank you!
Could you put the link here
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Hello🧐🤔
Please make sure your machine is on a level surface, is a level; and your machine will have a centered drip. 👌🏼🙋🏻😀🙏🏼
Good advice! ☝️👌
Thanks
you can tell its channeling
I have a Europiccola now where I can add volume/dosage (as written in your initial unedited comment). That works more well, amplified by experience.
Y la gotera que show? 😆🙄
La gotera surgió más tarde, después unas semanas
that one is sheet coffee
The taste was good
I see chaneling
You are right, later tries were better