DeLonghi Dedica EC685 Normal Portafilter vs Bottomless Portafilter.

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  • Same grind size.
    Normal Portafilter Coffee ratio : in 14g out 34g 34sec.
    Bottomless Portafilter Coffee ratio : in 18g out 34g 25sec.
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  • @jimjamkillsnerds
    @jimjamkillsnerds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +307

    Everyone should know you can change the "volume" of the shot on this machine. Hold down the button for as long as you want the shot to be, and the machine will remember for next time. Remember to only start timing after the pre-infusion after the machine waits for a second.
    The shot should pull for about 25-30 seconds. If you can't pull a good tasting shot in this time, change your grind.
    Another tip for this machine is not to tamp too hard. Compress the coffee and then stop. No need to put all your strength into it.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you very much.

    • @giuseppemengoli
      @giuseppemengoli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can I change the pre infusion time? With the instructions it is explained only how long the pouring will be

    • @jimjamkillsnerds
      @jimjamkillsnerds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@giuseppemengoli No you can’t

    • @luigidambrosio3224
      @luigidambrosio3224 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi your video is very useful but with a second coffee grinder SMEG CGF01 and 30 available position my results are not the best could you help me?

    • @jameshurley4959
      @jameshurley4959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ArtyHome the coffee is coming out my bottomless portafilter too fast. Do I need to make a finer grind and tamp harder?

  • @donaldlippert6374
    @donaldlippert6374 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Good video. Background noise is unbearable.

  • @carlomariamosco
    @carlomariamosco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I like the way you organised your desk and how you shooted the scene.
    Bravo!

    • @johnwet6969
      @johnwet6969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And ground too fine.

  • @georgeyoussry5234
    @georgeyoussry5234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I think you have tamped it too hard in the normal portafilter so it gave drops not a continous flow

  • @sabrinaazrad2688
    @sabrinaazrad2688 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi. Very new to coffee here, and just purchased the bottomless portafilter. Would any of you know what’s a good grind size using the Breville grinder?

  • @kjetil_
    @kjetil_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice channel! Brand new coffee drinker here:) Got the EC685 yesterday, I am loving it.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Enjoy!

    • @imahmud
      @imahmud 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have had mine for years, still going strong.

  • @2salonika
    @2salonika 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you please tell me what type of tamper 51mm r you using for the non presurized basket because a buy one from ebay and its not fit very well, my non presurized basket is from ebay

  • @rohanparti5062
    @rohanparti5062 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any reason why you used the single shot button rather than the double shot one?

  • @pcrate20
    @pcrate20 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi, Unfortunately the bottomless portafilter is current unavailable in amazon, do you have another links for this product?..thank you

  • @nrieh4553
    @nrieh4553 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I use the stock 685 portafilter with an old stock calssic (double)basket from Delonghi bar14. It fits, locks and pour pours just fine. It had outlived the old machine, and I'm glad that I kept it "just in case". I'm going to remove the plastic thingy from the holder, it does not do any good for a non-pressure basket anyway, but I'd love to seal the screw hole somehow. Even "as is", I prefer it over the original pressurized basket. Might get a botomless portafilter, eventually.

    • @Scarecrow_Krieg
      @Scarecrow_Krieg 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've been thinking about that screw as well. Some kind of a nut is needed, but I might be too lazy to go find the right one lol.

  • @AhmadSmairat
    @AhmadSmairat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you change the grind size for the bottomless one?

  • @vitaliistep
    @vitaliistep 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @ichigokurosaki318
    @ichigokurosaki318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We can clearly see a difference 👍

    • @MrOKCThunderfan
      @MrOKCThunderfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He used the same grind for both filters. Pressurized filters are used for pre ground coffee which is typically less fine. The second shot was over extracted.

  • @RenciOfficial
    @RenciOfficial ปีที่แล้ว

    I have delonghi ec 820. Do you think I could use the same handle (portafilter) like for 685? It is has also 51mm, 3 ears. I am not sure about thickness of the ears. I have tried to search on the internet, even talked to some sellers on aliexpress, but noone helped me out...

  • @bannarak3949
    @bannarak3949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if i want to sell coffee, i just add 14g.still get the same weight result just taking bit longer

  • @nicee_guys
    @nicee_guys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    these wooden standings for portafilers are cool!!! where did you get them?

    • @kondko
      @kondko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Amazon has em. So does ebay. Made in china only tho

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      www.ebay.com/itm/Wooden-Coffee-Tamper-Holder-Base-Espresso-Coffee-Barista-Latte-Art-Tamper-Holder/274490805443?var=574655441899&hash=item3fe8ed4cc3:g:cQAAAOSw6EVfWy-f

    • @danielsolstrand
      @danielsolstrand 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ebay

  • @matimaddio2531
    @matimaddio2531 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    soo..WHICH TASTES BETTER? IN WHAT ASPECT DOES IT TASTE DIFFERENT?

  • @bsyoutube2649
    @bsyoutube2649 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What basket size are you using? My bottom of the basket doesn’t reach till the end of the portafilter.

  • @nikostsirikos117
    @nikostsirikos117 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    whats a good grind level for the bottomless portafilter? fine |? too fine?

  • @cpg8000
    @cpg8000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, what is the underlying reason for the difference?

  • @AhmedNaser20
    @AhmedNaser20 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use delonghi KG521 grinder. what is degree shall I use, please? Can you tell me?

  • @gin-ichi5068
    @gin-ichi5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good video for me, thanks:)

  • @Frontistiria-Ntolkou
    @Frontistiria-Ntolkou ปีที่แล้ว +14

    About the portafilter: A bottomless portafilter and a "normal" one should have no difference regarding the way they work. The difference is at the Delonghi default basket. Delonghi uses by default a pressurized basket that is very good to make a so-so coffe from any bean and grind so to make anyone feel a little like a barista at home. But it's definetely not good if u go for a higher quality taste with a budget machine. For this you need if you can't affort a more expensive machine then you go for the most basic upgrades: Normal basket and freshly grinded, thoroughly weighted coffe (the better quality the better the result). If u get the bottomless portafilter it will help you become better at espresso making by giving you access to watch the extraction. Nothing more. So: Non pressurized portafilter and a tamper that fits it. Scales. Quality coffe beans and grinder or freshly grinded coffe. A tip: Avoid re-freezing coffe beans. If you insist of keeping your beans in the freezer then devide them in portions and get out of the freezer what you need a night before.

    • @mateuszparus
      @mateuszparus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What better machine would you recommend instead of this one?

    • @Frontistiria-Ntolkou
      @Frontistiria-Ntolkou 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mateuszparus I wouldn't dare suggesting a specific one. But it will be very easy for you to find the best canditates that your pocket can buy if you spend some time in youtube or other online searching. All i know is that you should basicaly aim for a "premium" type of machine as a top goal but you can always stop aiming higher if you find the one that suits your taste. Because while an espresso can be made easily, for a good or a very good extraction you will definetely need a good or a very good machine on which you will have to spend some worthy time to find the ratios to produce a result to your liking and the same time create some of your your own solid knowledge. Coz there is no sealing really. There are people with shareable knowledge about espresso making and latte art and the same time they test different machines. Worth to chcek if you decided to brew your own coffe.

    • @aligossas9431
      @aligossas9431 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How about a good grinder ??

    • @Frontistiria-Ntolkou
      @Frontistiria-Ntolkou 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aligossas9431 Yes! But a good grinder is also an expensive grinder. I use "Porlex Tall" a hand grinder that suits my budget for a quality ceramic blade grinder. That also dictates how mutch to count as a portion when i seperate the bag into smaller ones. I grind a batch for myself and keep it in a small glass container. It will last for 4,5 single shoots for sure. My wife does the same for her coffe. The cleaning is easy and we can experiment a bit with the grind size.

    • @ryankwan1934
      @ryankwan1934 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mateuszparus I think a Lelit Anna with the PID and a Eureka Mignon is a good start. If money is tight, then spend it on the grinder first and upgrade the machine several years down the line. They may seem like a lot, but think of it this way: 3 Euros (or however it is at your local coffee shop) for coffee every day adds up very fast when you start making your own coffee at home. We usually do three cappuccini and three doppio espressi per day. That's easily 30 € at a local coffee. Shop. The grinder and espresso machine pays for itself in under a year.

  • @Klubnichkaua
    @Klubnichkaua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks for the video. please advice how do you manage to get normal extraction time with open portafilter on Dedica AND THE SAME GRIND SIZE as on pressurezed?
    nomatter how I tried I always have one of the two situations with Dedica and open portafilter:
    - if the grind is the same as for the pressurized - the extraction is very quick and the result is bad
    around 3,8 on 1zpresso k-max
    - if the grind is small enough to get visually good and slow extraction - 2,4 - the taste is that much bitter that it gets absolutely undrinkable

  • @gioacchinoiandolo2806
    @gioacchinoiandolo2806 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buongiorno ho acquistato il filtro non pressurizzato. Malgrado abbia raddoppiato la dose di caffè e l'abbia pressata molto il risultato è un caffè per nulla cremoso?

  • @Winner8501
    @Winner8501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I've got trouble with the stock pressurised portafilter: if I grind finer, it often gets totally stuck (blocked, with no flow). It happens more often on the smaller (8 gram) one. The problem is the coffee is definitely NOT too fine for espresso. I am so fed up with it that I ordered the bottomless non-pressurised portafilter to try doing things the right way.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I don't like using a single basket, I use a double and bottomless, it's easier and the coffee tastes better.

    • @davidj.lobina3712
      @davidj.lobina3712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The coffee tastes better with a double dose? Obviously not an Italian.

    • @cassyguy
      @cassyguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I think that's just how pressurised baskets work. You need to grind coarser because the basket gives a lot of extra pressure.

    • @stephenw1799
      @stephenw1799 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Are you tamping too hard or have you forgotten to insert the metal filter with the rubber surround into the basket? i heard that tamping is not needed with pressurised portafilters. Mine does block sometimes if the one hole in the basket gets blocked or if i forget to insert the metal filter.

    • @aryudifh
      @aryudifh ปีที่แล้ว

      You sould grind the coffee with medium to fine size, if using pressurised portafilter..

  • @kevinfrost6309
    @kevinfrost6309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you please tell me which filter your using on the bottomless portafilter and where did you purchased it from. I'm on my second filter and I can't and I still can't find the right filter to work. Thanks

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you grinding the grains fine enough?

  • @Frontistiria-Ntolkou
    @Frontistiria-Ntolkou ปีที่แล้ว

    About the timer: If we assume that you go for a ratio of 1:2+ and extraction time should be around 25-30 sec then you can say that both the portafilters done their job at 30sec. They doubled the amount you gave them. Eventho if u had Coarser coffe more suited for espresso you could take the same result in less time maybe on the ideal more most: 25''. Well done tho, you are so close!

    • @ivandiaz5566
      @ivandiaz5566 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Background music is to high.

  • @1ayginin
    @1ayginin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, in the video do you use the single shot basket for the original portafilter or the double shot basket? Thanks

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      double shot basket.

    • @1ayginin
      @1ayginin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome Thanks

  • @highland-oldgit
    @highland-oldgit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I don't know how people are fitting 18g into these baskets on the bottomless PF. I am struggling to get 16g.

    • @saneksheva80
      @saneksheva80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Finer grind.. and some sorts of cofee are heavier..

    • @maxxsee
      @maxxsee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@saneksheva80 nice info my man, god bless

    • @owenedgson7302
      @owenedgson7302 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you sure you don’t just have a smaller basket? IMS do a range of sizes, I have the 15-18g but there was a smaller and a bigger basket available as well

    • @highland-oldgit
      @highland-oldgit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@owenedgson7302 I've just paused the video where he turns the PF on it's side and you may be right. There are no markings on the my basket but the depth is 24mm.

  • @jasontan4086
    @jasontan4086 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Arty, very nice video! The link for the portafilter on Amazon is not working anymore. Do you have any portafilter to recommend for a Dedica?
    I bought one which is supposed to fit on a Dedica (according to the seller) but it turns out slightly loose and the portafilter came off mid brewing and created a big mess! So now I have to hold on to it whenever I start brewing.

    • @ArthurRodriguez
      @ArthurRodriguez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same question. Did you find one that works for you? Thanks

  • @gordanbabic8028
    @gordanbabic8028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    those tampers? the blue one is delonghi's I presume ... and the other one? is there a size difference between them? because I noticed my 51mm tamper from Ebay hardly fits those baskets.
    also, your wooden tamping station is beautiful. where did you get it?

    • @renadbakhet5871
      @renadbakhet5871 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the tamping station is available at Aliexpress

  • @beyzahantuncez3471
    @beyzahantuncez3471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have blocking issue with the pressurized basket when the grind is finer, have you had the same issue?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, I have a similar problem, you have to gradually adjust the fineness of the grinder.

    • @imbecilvic
      @imbecilvic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just happened this morning

    • @maxxsee
      @maxxsee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh I see !!

    • @maxxsee
      @maxxsee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome is the purchased grind size in bag from say lavazza too thick?

  • @vasileiosg765
    @vasileiosg765 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any ideas for a good 3-4cup bottomless basket ( around 18gr )??? those from china have big holes and splatter everywhere .no crema at all . The original holds 14gr i need a bigger one , ty in advance

    • @nickthenightfly82
      @nickthenightfly82 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bought the Neouza set from Amazon: 2 cups 16-19g, 1 cup (idk, 1 cup is too tricky), bottomless portafilter and the filter plate. Then from IMS, i bought the screen replacement (the one on the machine with the middle screw). I also got an Eureka Silenzio single dose mod grinder (single dose kit from Etsy), the lever steam knob (also from etsy) and the rancilio silvia v1/v2 steam wand replacement from Amazon. Never enough...

  • @uzairpetersen5969
    @uzairpetersen5969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you find the bottomless portafilter? I can't seen to find 51mm ones anywhere

    • @gavinpereira6588
      @gavinpereira6588 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SODIAL Coffee Bottomless Portafilter for EC680/EC685 Filter 51MM Replacement Filter Basket Coffee Accessories www.amazon.com/dp/B083K12RPK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_YKJ955H7RG64CAY8ZBR7

  • @graciano83
    @graciano83 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, my portafilter is unscrewing when I try to have a shot. I was not a case when I used after I had got it, but now it is sliding even when water is passing by smoothly.

    • @dannydu_jardin1923
      @dannydu_jardin1923 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Change the joint, a new rubber or sillicone one is not expensive

  • @ralph9987
    @ralph9987 ปีที่แล้ว

    the 2 portafilters you suggest are no longer available, can you send some links to some that are please? and can you tell me if the original baskets can still be used in these? thanks from downunder

    • @benjamink8448
      @benjamink8448 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sawed off the bottom of the original portafilter, pretty easy and you still have the original fit. Don't use the original baskets if you go bottomless. The original baskets are pressurized baskets with one single hole on the outside - this counters the only use of a bottomless portafilter, you still can't see the extraction going on. Most people buy Graef baskets that are good quality and fit the original holder.

  • @Am-qv2oe
    @Am-qv2oe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello there..that portafilter can get 18gram???

  • @elnywidjaja9885
    @elnywidjaja9885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what is the verdict??

  • @eduardosoria4214
    @eduardosoria4214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why did you use 14g (ratio 1: 2.4) for the normal portafilter and 18g (ratio 1: 1.9) for the bottomless one and not the same coffee quantity with beans coarser/finer? Thank you for share the video.

    • @LB-qi2bn
      @LB-qi2bn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Normal portafilter can not hold much coffee. I have also found 14g is about the maximum. 15g or more and the puck may touch the spout on the group head.

    • @LB-qi2bn
      @LB-qi2bn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But I agree would be interested to see 14g from the bottomless filter.

  • @michelangelocarrieri4784
    @michelangelocarrieri4784 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there,
    I have just bought a Dedica EC685 and I am trying to understand better how the coffee world works.
    I bought the dosing cup you advised but it cannot fit the standard portafilter so It's difficult for me put into it ground coffee.
    Do you have any advise?

    • @erizheizlan
      @erizheizlan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to make sure its suitable for your machine.. use 51mm

  • @rr88821
    @rr88821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is your tamper 51mm used to your portafilter bottom less? Mine also 51mm but only fit the half button of my tamper. Can you share where you bought your bottomless portafilter ?

    • @carolbarles.23
      @carolbarles.23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also encountered the same issue. I used 18g in my Neouza Bottomless portafilter but It felt like my tamping is not enough since it can only fit half. Any suggestions like increasing the dose? Or using othertools?

  • @waitakcheung8172
    @waitakcheung8172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your nicely prepared video. May I ask if the pressure you tamped the coffee ground were the same for both brews? I have heard that there is no need to tamp the ground for pressurized basket as hard as for bottomless portafilter. Is that true?

    • @stephenw1799
      @stephenw1799 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I heard the same about tamping with the pressurised basket. They are designed for people who don't want to spend time dialling in etc.

  • @bensdemosongs
    @bensdemosongs ปีที่แล้ว

    At 2:50 when the initial pour starts for me, it’s dark and clear and then a couple seconds later gets foamier. Why is this? Old beans?

  • @TheSayd007
    @TheSayd007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I bought the portafilter you recommended but recently I’ve been having trouble with fine streams of splatters coming out of the portafilter. Have you experienced this so far? If so, what did you do to remedy this?

    • @user-xb5zu6zu7j
      @user-xb5zu6zu7j 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      one of the "feature" of bottomless portafilter. I sick with my normal, stock one

    • @nicolaspablo4616
      @nicolaspablo4616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Distribute your coffee grounds on the basket and portafilter before tamping it, make sure it’s not off level. After that, if it still occurs, your grinder may not grinding properly and evenly.

    • @mrsniff3676
      @mrsniff3676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check your grind

  • @TheresOnlyOneTank
    @TheresOnlyOneTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Completely over extracted the second shot. Probably ground too fine or it's over tamped. I have this machine, and the shots from the stock portafilter are far better than displayed in this video.

    • @gordanbabic8028
      @gordanbabic8028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      in my experience the shots from stock portafilter are very mediocre. the rubber seal is elevated at one point for easier removal and that makes it really hard to achieve proper tamp. when I purchased bottomless portafilter my coffee became much better

    • @MEKaradeniz
      @MEKaradeniz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gordanbabic8028 I agree with you. The rubber seal of single-shot cup is even seen when you tamp. It breaks the flatness of the coffee surface.
      That is why I always use double-shot cup of stock portafilter.

    • @WestDutchBoys
      @WestDutchBoys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MEKaradeniz then you should use more coffee

    • @MEKaradeniz
      @MEKaradeniz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WestDutchBoys yes but then the amount of coffee is more than half of double shot

    • @WestDutchBoys
      @WestDutchBoys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MEKaradeniz sorry I misread, you’re also using the double shot cup for this reason. I switched to the double cup immediately. I don’t even know better. Had the same problem indeed

  • @BB-rh3np
    @BB-rh3np 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You said 18g out 34g 25sec. This 25sec count from when u press the button? or when the espresso comes out?

    • @Roman.Visuals
      @Roman.Visuals 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can clearly see from the video that scale timer starts when coffee starts to drip

  • @heliu5
    @heliu5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    have you done anything to the machine's water pressure? for me, in 18gr out 36gr takes 12 seconds.. for me it seems the dedica takes time rather the water volume when you configure the two brewing buttons.

    • @whoami724y
      @whoami724y 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      is your grind size fine enough? or is your tamping pressure heavy enough? you should try and check those two variables

    • @heliu5
      @heliu5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whoami724y i'm guessing the grind size is the issue. i use a cheap blade grinder at the moment. tamping pressure should be okay. i was very surprised to see that 18-36 could be achieved for more than 20 seconds as I thought it's impossible with the Dedica due to the water pressure. but, i'm getting a proper grinder soon and will check.

    • @whoami724y
      @whoami724y 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@heliu5 well there's your problem, blade grinder is a no no for espresso. you should get baratza sette, i hear its good for espresso

    • @lionelpeer4097
      @lionelpeer4097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@heliu5 the grinder will definitely be the issue. i just bought the Sage Dose Control Pro and i'm very impressed by what it delivers at this price point

    • @andrescyfy570
      @andrescyfy570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lionelpeer4097 100% support that. Great value for the money.

  • @thiagosalesesantos2950
    @thiagosalesesantos2950 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice vid, congrats! What is the purpose of the piece with black rubber in the original portafilter?

    • @mrshadowwolfgaming
      @mrshadowwolfgaming ปีที่แล้ว +3

      its a filter. the original portafilter is a pressurised one, so it has a small hole that it uses to generate crema for the espresso, the black ring is a filter that's removable so that the small hole doesnt get blocked by the coffee grinds

  • @vasilisantoniou6603
    @vasilisantoniou6603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unfortunately it’s not available any more in Amazon

  • @KonstantinosLeimonis
    @KonstantinosLeimonis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Where did you get the bottomless portafiler from? Is there a link to share?

    • @adameichler
      @adameichler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Search for "dedica bottomless" on Aliexpress. They have a lot of different finishes shipping all over the world.

    • @LDWilliams
      @LDWilliams 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      also on Ebay and amazon, but all look to be coming from the same few suppliers from China

    • @kastierV
      @kastierV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adameichler i bought one from aliexpres, but it is splashing, coffee is flowing to the handle. i do not know what am I doing wrong.

    • @adameichler
      @adameichler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kastierV the basket must have a bit of a lip around the edge to seal properly. Some of the cheap ones don't. Maybe you might bend the edges slightly with pliers.

  • @yourlotusflower4414
    @yourlotusflower4414 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi what diameter bottomless portafilter does this machine require?
    Also before I purchase it I wanted to know if that’s ok if the crema on top stays and if u have have tried the sugar test to see how slowly it sinks.
    Thank you in advance

  • @markraahauge5255
    @markraahauge5255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which espresso shot did you like the best?
    The bottomless or the normal portafilter from dedica? :)

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also use both. Like the light taste of nolmal portafilter.

    • @guan5849
      @guan5849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So is the 14g 34 seconds shot with portafilter fine as well?

  • @Beyond_Camping
    @Beyond_Camping 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you have any channeling when using a bottomless portafilter? If yes, how did you solve it?

    • @andrescyfy570
      @andrescyfy570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you using pre-ground coffee? Never had it since I am using freshly ground coffee.

    • @Beyond_Camping
      @Beyond_Camping 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrescyfy570 no I use fresh beans with my Eureka Mignon Facile grinder.

    • @Beyond_Camping
      @Beyond_Camping 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrescyfy570 do you mind sharing the recipe you are using?

    • @andrescyfy570
      @andrescyfy570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, after grinding it needs some distribution by tipping on the portafilters side. Then I gently knock the porta on a hard surface with the bottom to get it settled - 3 times. I think it doesn't need rough tamping. But give it a little twist in the end. If this procedure doesn't help, maybe it's your grinder setting or coffee itself. I'm using modded original portafilter with modded original sieve. Pulling out 33g coffee out of 13g powder.

    • @Beyond_Camping
      @Beyond_Camping 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrescyfy570 Thank you, I will surely try this one. Since I bought my grinder I only get a little channeling on the sides in about 15 secs then disappears. I will try to tip it because I have not tried it yet. Thank you

  • @fouriejosh
    @fouriejosh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi,
    Really struggling to dail in my grinder and EC680. I am currently on the finest setting that allows my EC680 to push water through without it stalling. I am trying to solve sour shots. I tried reducing puck size down from 18g to 15g to lower pressure and that worked but any less and tamping does not help. Upgraded to bottomless portafilter. I read that you must not reduce puck size and MUST stick with puck that fits basket plus or minus 1g. latest is 15g in, 37g out, 30sec from first drip but still sour. Any advise?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I want you to try replacing the coffee beans. It is a medium-dark roast.

    • @johnwet6969
      @johnwet6969 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you set the higher temperature? It help too. And of course try different coffee and darker roast.

  • @fabSoton
    @fabSoton 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get your crema to look so nice? I just got a non pressurised filter and my crema keeps coming out very light in colour which I understand is a sign of an underextracted shot. I don't have a grinder but I'm using coffee that was grinded in the roastery today. I've asked them to do a "standard" espresso grind for one bag and a slightly coarser one for another, but neither seem to come out nicely.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you have a good grinder, it will be easier.

    • @Dhruv1223
      @Dhruv1223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the under exctraction could also be because of the temperature not being right, which out of the box it isnt on this machine. Try this and see if it helps somewhat :
      1. Set the temperature to High (instructions in the manual) 2. make 2 empty double shots. This ensures that the brewing temperature of the water is correct and prevents under extraction. I tested with a thermometer, and by default the temperature in cup would be around max 64 degrees celcius (147.2) but by changing brew temperature and taking out 2 empty shots it came to the usual 160 to 165 range, which is ideal. In tasting my coffee I also noticed it was not sour anymore (underextracted) which it was before I changed the settings

    • @mohdnizar6342
      @mohdnizar6342 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dhruv1223 when u say make 2 empty double shots, i presume u mean to just press the double shot button twice with just water?

    • @Dhruv1223
      @Dhruv1223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mohdnizar6342 yes

    • @i3eixi
      @i3eixi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Dhruv1223Each time I want to use I should take those two water extractions? I have another problem when I use non pressurize porta filter my crama goes away so fast under 1 min but with normal porta filter it stays for long time is this because of underextraxtion?

  • @joseburgos01ify
    @joseburgos01ify 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Delonghi stilosa and I can’t get a shot to go longer than 11 seconds with pre ground coffee and the pressurized filter.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The ground coffee you are using is too coarse.

  • @joaopereira1935
    @joaopereira1935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    18g for 1 coffe? Is not to much?

  • @ramiabramov828
    @ramiabramov828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    do you think that graef cm702 good for this new portafilter?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have never used this grinder. I don't know if grinding is fine enough.

    • @yehonatanmeharetu8801
      @yehonatanmeharetu8801 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      יש לי את המטחנה הזאת. במידה ויש לך דילונגי דדיקה e685-תחליף את ידית החליטה באתר עלי אקספרס לידית חליטה במידה 51mm ללא תחתית כמו בוידאו. לגבי המטחנה תשתמש בשייבות שהביאו לך עם המכשיר. יש שייבות במידות 0.2 ו0.25,תשתמש בהן. ודרגה טחינה מומלצת מ5 עד 10. אני מוצא לנכון שמספר 7 עושה את העבודה. בהצלחה;-)

    • @JoseRodriguez-xk5le
      @JoseRodriguez-xk5le 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've Dedica and this same graef you are talking about and it works perfectly enough at 10 of 30 steps. Graef give you 3 spring washer to modify fineness if it isn't enough. I'm using it without modification.

  • @Ciapakin
    @Ciapakin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    which brand of ground coffee is best suited to the dedication of delonghi?

    • @ehuremovic526
      @ehuremovic526 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's no easy answer here apart from the coffee you like to drink

  • @pooriiii
    @pooriiii หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whats the portafilrer name and size

  • @Prime3Alpha
    @Prime3Alpha 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've watched no less than 30 videos and it didn't click until yours. 👍

  • @scherenschnitt6333
    @scherenschnitt6333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Arty. Thanks for these videos. They help me very much to understand how to make some espresso. And... Ti understand that this original portafilter is not good.
    It is stuck every day. And we always loose fresh milled coffee if the hole is blocked.
    I think i. The one and a half week we had 6 to 7 times it stuck.
    So i wanted to buy a new portafikter bottomless. But unfortunately those you out into your desrciption arent available.
    The prices of alternatives are from 13 to 45 Euros. So maybe you could tell em the price of YOURS to dind a similar one?
    Would be really kind. Because not only me but also my wife gets angry about that.

    • @owenedgson7302
      @owenedgson7302 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get an IMS portafilter basket. They're top quality, don't just buy any one from amazon. Also, make sure it's 51mm for the dedica

  • @thisisbuzz
    @thisisbuzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What‘s the reason?

  • @An_dong_ni_
    @An_dong_ni_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello! Beginner home espresso maker with the EC685 here! Thank you for the nice video!
    Have fellow users here found the distributor to be an essential tool for a good cup of espresso? I’ve actually just learnt from this video that such thing exists! ☕️

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You should find a good grinder like the Eureka Minog.

  • @DewloN
    @DewloN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the video beautiful - right? Although why create it with constant squelching in the background?
    I don't understand why you need to boil 34g of espresso from 14g of coffee - this is also an over-extract - only bitterness. Plus, in 34 seconds - it's a wild over-extract. We do not yet take into account the fact that your timer starts when the first drops enter the cup. In fact, the first drops fall into the cup at ~ 5th second, and due to the pre-wetting mode of the Delonghi ec685 coffee maker, the first drops fall into the cup at all at 8-9 seconds.
    How do you drink this bitterness.
    And why are you knocking on the portafilter? This creates cracks in the condensed coffee. And why are you screwing the tempera? You just need to squeeze.

  • @mauriciomorenorivera
    @mauriciomorenorivera 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Switched to a bottomless filter and getting no cream at all, my grinder is the Dedica KG520...

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Delonghi dedica kg520 can't grind coffee beans as finely enough to be used with bottomless.

    • @animalloverwashere
      @animalloverwashere 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Arty Home what about the KG49? Is the finest setting fine enough?

    • @penetrulucian4438
      @penetrulucian4438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@animalloverwashere kg 79 is the best, can grind almost like flour. too bad it does not deliver directly in the portafilter.

  • @renjee7200
    @renjee7200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi what coffee beans are you using?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Medium roast coffee beans.

  • @NontNimityongskul1980
    @NontNimityongskul1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi. Your first shot with bottomless portafilter looks great! Is it possible to get same result if the grinder is DeLonghi KG521? I'm already using the finest grind setting but the shot flow too fast for my bottomless portafilter! Please help.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm sorry, I can't use this grinder with a bottomless too. I'm looking for a way to modify this machine to grind even more.

    • @NontNimityongskul1980
      @NontNimityongskul1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome Which grinder you would recommend? to use with the bottomless portafilter for EC685

    • @agutsul
      @agutsul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      U can upgrade your grinder. It takes 30-40 minutes. And your grinder will grind beans into the dust!

    • @Damascus65
      @Damascus65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      See his update here -- he modified his KG521 to grind fine enough to be used for a bottomless portafilter th-cam.com/video/aSuBrhZI-xY/w-d-xo.html

    • @NontNimityongskul1980
      @NontNimityongskul1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Damascus65 Thanks!

  • @antonia-kamillagaspar6170
    @antonia-kamillagaspar6170 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you tell me the diameter of the coffee distributor leveler tool. Thank you

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      51mm.

    • @antonia-kamillagaspar6170
      @antonia-kamillagaspar6170 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome Thank you. Where did you get it? :)

    • @piotr433
      @piotr433 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@antonia-kamillagaspar6170 I've bought mine which looks the same on Aliexpress.

  • @aizatismail1335
    @aizatismail1335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it possible to put only 10g of coffee on that botomless portafilter ?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can, but I'm not sure if I can do it well.

    • @ts3024
      @ts3024 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome 11g works pretty well

    • @JoseRodriguez-xk5le
      @JoseRodriguez-xk5le 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ts3024 are 11g enough for a single espresso around 30grs? Our friend use 14 with original and 18 with bottomless

  • @redeye8386
    @redeye8386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What temperature is best ? Low , medium or high temperature? Thanks for reply

    • @Milan1Nikolic
      @Milan1Nikolic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      High. It's also interesting that the device can't provide stable high temperature during the extraction process, there is a video about it on YT.

  • @PL-im4mg
    @PL-im4mg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. I never manage to get all that cream. not even with the bottomless portafilter

    • @NakedtruthEyes
      @NakedtruthEyes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Time to change bean . Try slightly shiny beans

  • @elmagic209
    @elmagic209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Degree of perfect grinding ??

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can not identify. The fineness depends on the hardness of the ground coffee beans.

  • @PatriotSA
    @PatriotSA 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is your grinder?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Compak k3 touch.

  • @PeerensClement
    @PeerensClement ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't want to alarm you, but it sounds like Darth Vader is breathing over your shoulder this whole time.

  • @lampros9253
    @lampros9253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you give a link for the dosing cup because i cant find anywhere :s

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My dosing cup was a 2 oz stainless steel cup, which was incidentally the size of a dosing ring. I bought it from a Verasu store in Thailand.
      www.verasu.com

  • @thedave1602
    @thedave1602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hold up now. You used 16g and only used the 1 shot button? I've been using the double shot button since i use a doubleshot basket in my bottomless portafilter. Am I missing something here?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can schedule these buttons.

    • @Redwingsmaple
      @Redwingsmaple 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can program each button. For programming you hold that button as long as necessary (how many seconds you need, for example 25sec), the next time you press it once, 25 seconds it is. You can do that as often you like..

  • @leoooo11646
    @leoooo11646 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can i get the cup that u hold the grind that can fit the 51mm basket 🤩 u know what i mean

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 oz stainless steel cup and dosing ring 51mm is sold on eBay.

  • @loykoylos
    @loykoylos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you give a link on the bottomless portafilter as well as the basket;

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/303590352996?hash=item46af652864:g:MgEAAOSwRkhe8CMZ

    • @loykoylos
      @loykoylos 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArtyHome thank you very much!

    • @aleksandarstojceski3139
      @aleksandarstojceski3139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Friend you can use the factory portafilter just cut the bottom part. It works great!

    • @luks9687
      @luks9687 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aleksandarstojceski3139 What tool exactly did you use to cut it? I was thinking to do the same.

    • @aleksandarstojceski3139
      @aleksandarstojceski3139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luks9687 On lathe.

  • @georgiosgeorgotas773
    @georgiosgeorgotas773 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    From where did you buy the portafilter ?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      From eBay.

    • @georgiosgeorgotas773
      @georgiosgeorgotas773 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And it came with a double or a single filter

    • @georgiosgeorgotas773
      @georgiosgeorgotas773 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also could you please send me the address from where you bought it if possible?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgiosgeorgotas773 Double filter.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgiosgeorgotas773 www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/303590352996?var=602820115835&hash=item46af652864:g:MgEAAOSwRkhe8CMZ

  • @peterflex1
    @peterflex1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why there is flushin sound every 3 seconds

  • @magelinekelley7536
    @magelinekelley7536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That flushing noise though

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, it's caused by the sound of the pump making waves. my fish tank.

    • @3CKSTR
      @3CKSTR ปีที่แล้ว

      it's disgusting and unprofessional

  • @linusalexanderpolley1644
    @linusalexanderpolley1644 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is the Bottomlessfilter from

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      From eBay.

  • @agutsul
    @agutsul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't see any difference. Somebody explain to me, please, what is the difference?

  • @kasraghamari7896
    @kasraghamari7896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The grind size must be changed for the pressurised one and I couldn’t see any difference between them
    On the other hand you tamped it soooo hard and this will make the extraction time consuming and moreover it will taste like crap!not espresso

    • @wisecoconut5
      @wisecoconut5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. The grind was too fine for the pressurized filter and created too much resistance and channeling for good extraction.

  • @protik007sbk
    @protik007sbk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am using dedica grinder and not getting any creamer in naked Porta filters is the grinder not good

    • @NontNimityongskul1980
      @NontNimityongskul1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have the same problem.

    • @dc8povi
      @dc8povi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A good grinder is double the price of the machine, a manual grinder is as the same price as the machine :)

    • @edshao2572
      @edshao2572 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crema depends more on your beans than the extraction

    • @protik007sbk
      @protik007sbk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edshao2572 I use Lavazza beans should I use something else

  • @bortmekhanik_
    @bortmekhanik_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where buy bottomless portafilter?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.ebay.com/itm/51mm-Coffee-Bottomless-Portafilter-For-Delonghi-EC680-EC685-Filter-Replacemen/283906663348?var=585350119495&hash=item421a27e3b4:g:VrsAAOSwbR9e3ggZ

  • @GadgetsGearCoffee
    @GadgetsGearCoffee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the heck is the background sound? Is someone running the dishwasher?

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sorry, it's the sound of a pump making waves in my aquarium.

  • @redeye8386
    @redeye8386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find my coffee not good yet. Hope if i buy new temper not original plastic one it will be better. I wanted buy bottomless filter too but it cost much and that filter + temper and i could buy for that money even automatic coffee maker. I find it cool my delonghi ec685 but didnt knew if i want good coffee i need buy those 2 parts for 60€ :( buy temper will be ok but not that filter . If temper will be enough to make coffee taste better it will be amazing. (Well i only have him 2md day now so maybe i am just not good enought with it yet )

  • @Khaled-gy5vd
    @Khaled-gy5vd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there difference in taste ?

  • @MT-ud7qc
    @MT-ud7qc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I tried the normal portafilter and the same machine. Also followed the same recipe, but my espresso tastes sour. Anyone know why?

    • @filipinoidiot
      @filipinoidiot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could be you ground to coarse, or bad water temperature

    • @MT-ud7qc
      @MT-ud7qc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@filipinoidiot I tried grinding fine and adjusted the temperature. Do you think it could be sour because my coffee is medium-roast?

    • @filipinoidiot
      @filipinoidiot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MT-ud7qc could be the type of beans, some light roast have more acidity, or you might need to check your distribution, if your distribution is poor it can lead to poor extraction

    • @MT-ud7qc
      @MT-ud7qc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@filipinoidiot Thanks! I will try it again.

  • @elnywidjaja9885
    @elnywidjaja9885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mesin grinder nya Merek apa

  • @johnnie232
    @johnnie232 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should not knock against the portafilter to avoid channeling.

    • @ArtyHome
      @ArtyHome  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much. I won't do it again.

  • @maximus7947
    @maximus7947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's not about the portafilter, it's about the basket

  • @michaelbattista1334
    @michaelbattista1334 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What the heck is that noise?

  • @LuisGabrielAguilarVirgen
    @LuisGabrielAguilarVirgen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just can't get any crema out of it. Most of the time water doesn't even pass through the filter, don't matter if I use the original or the non presurized. Been practicing for weeks, still don't get satisfactory results.

    • @LuisGabrielAguilarVirgen
      @LuisGabrielAguilarVirgen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the machine doesn't have enough power to get the water through the coffee in the filter.

  • @thanasispinkflo
    @thanasispinkflo ปีที่แล้ว

    Darth Vader 🥰

  • @johnpaleos6387
    @johnpaleos6387 ปีที่แล้ว

    6' 30" to make one expresso coffee??? This is not express this is very slow...

  • @wiwatrung3374
    @wiwatrung3374 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why in the other clip u start timer when u press the button and in this clip u start timer when first drop hits the cup?
    ทำไมอีกคลิปถึงเริ่มจับเวลาตอนกดปุ่มแล้วคลิปนี้เริ่มจับเวลาตอนที่น้ำหยดลงแก้วอะครับ?