Idk i have a stock HD 6speed i like it never had a problem with it . I guess it depends on your riding style to need to have a baker transmission. It looks nice ide probably put it in a display case and sit it on the living room shelf .🙂
I’m glad I learned this now as I won’t bother looking for a six speed Twin Cam. If I find a cheap five speed I’ll just swap out the gears. Thanks for the detailed info👍
Yep, lost 3rd in my 17 ultra, and got black flagged for my tmax tuner! Went dds7 per recommendation, but wouldn't have today, 6 is enough with bigger motors! Thx!
The Baker has straight cut gears, the Harley has Helical gears, interesting. Straight cut produce that whine you hear in race cars for instance, but they are the strongest gearing you can get. Helical gears are made to reduce that noise or remove it completely, but they dont hold up to a ton of power, which is why race cars / bikes typically will have a straight cut gear trans in it. Just some fyi lol
Within the first minute these guys have shown they don't know what they are talking about. The main difference is right in front of you - straight cut vs helical gears. Helical gears are much quieter but introduce thrust loads on bearings.
If you actually paid attention, we covered all of that. Clearly you’re not very good at paying attention. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about clearly you’re not an actual mechanic.
@@kruesioriginals Clearly you are another brain-dead opinionated troll. A lot of mechanics have poor engineering comprehension, so you might actually be one, but if you are that misinformed I wouldn't advertise it on social media.
Is no one gonna talk about the gears themselves? Those Baker’s gotta be loud as hell, but straight cuts with that tooth thickness… that can handle quite a few go-fast goodies. I will give HD this, those gears in combination with the thinner dogs and ball bearings are smooth, but that’s probably also a choke point for people who want to make TC HD with some muscle.
Y'all must have vagina's worrying about noise. The big block chevy guys go ape shit for the muncie rock crusher trans. They isn skeered of noise, in fact the 1st n 2nd gear whine is nice. Y'all qould brag though ifn you had a blower on your bike, right. Take quite or strong. Gimmee strong all day long. PLUS OVERDRIVE, fuck 3500 rpms at 70 mph.
I have an 07 ultra classic with 96ci and 6 speed never had any issues matched up well…now if I was going to change out motors with more cubic inches yes I can see doing a baker 6 speed but I also have a Titan sidewinder with a 113 ci and a Jim’s fat 5 if I feel the need for hitting gears hard….I would never put a transmission like a baker 6 speed with an average motor ….if your going with big motors then yes but don’t waste your money on a bullet proof transmission on stock motors
Ive got a Jims OD 6 speed in my TC FXR and geared it exactly as described, super short with 6th gear as an (Aus) highway gear... only issue is 1st gear has become literally useless.
My 07 fxdb sometimes pops out of 3rd if I'm running through the gears hot rodding and it's a stock cam 96". Only does it when I'm power shifting (not using the clutch lever). I've been running spectro 6 speed oil like baker recommends hoping to prolong the stock harley 6 speed. Maybe one day I can afford one of those badass Baker 6 speeds. Might have to sell my Silverado for it or one of my kidneys.
Mine '13 Ultra has lots of metalflakes on the drainplug, and with the rear wheel of the ground and turn it around, the transmission makes a soft scraping noise. Is that also a sign that it's gonna fail one of these days?
Harleys ceased to be "premium" motorcycles with the end of the Evo line. They're great because they're so easy to REbuild with quality aftermarket parts. (Happy Baker owner here.)
Is this for all harley 6spd?what year did harley start making the 6spd ? Is it found in the 5spd gear boxes too(cheap parts) and if so what year did it start..thanks in advance...just bought on with the 6spd '07 CVO
The six speed starred in all Harley Davidson models in 2007. It’s just a junk transmission and you can’t get parts for them at all anymore they’re completely obsolete
Problem with beautiful looking components like that Baker transmission is that once it's installed you'll never get to look at it again. One question though...do the straight cut gears create added noise that could be considered annoying on longer rides? Or is the noise not really an issue?
But i already know that u have removed the kushdrive and probably have a chain conversion and it was never designed for that shock load nor were they intended to pop 12 o'clock wheelies
hello. I am from Albania. I have an S & S engine (No. A09872) from 2000. I am looking for a catalog for installation instructions. can you suggest me where to look?
There's no orginal HARLEY DRIVE ON MY BIKE ANYMORE!... SHES A S&S DRAGONT 143 N A BAKER 6 SP ON NITROUS, NOW MY HARLEY WORKS LIKE A PERFORMER NOT A SHITTY HARLEY ENGINE!...🏆🥳😎
@@jimkillen1065 the nitrous Made a mess of my stock tranny, so I put a BAKER in, shes on a mild tune of 225hp right now but I can turn up another 100 hp if needed!...🤣🥳😎✌ there's a whole bunch more done to her as well over 100k invested
3rd gear is gonna go out on every harley 6 speed sooner or later, and they haven't changed a single part # on any of the problem parts in the 15 years its been in production, it only takes 3 parts to fix almost every harley 6 speed, 3rd gear, the pocketed dog ring and 3-4 shifter, granted it will only last as long as a new factory trans. but it's pretty cheap and easy to fix, oh yea, use harleys updated main drive gear bearing and your good, the baker is of coarse by far better, i like the 7 speed direct drive close ratio.
Is there anybody else beside Baker producing transmissions I mean like a direct bulletin because damn all the guys that I know that have Baker grudge box keep blowing them up and they're on the 3rd and 4th grudge box I think that kind of money there shouldn't be that many of those things blowing up all over the place even the dealership that are putting them in have the same problem
Not a Harley rider here, but this seems like a comparison with a bit of bias. Baker is legendary in the community.... but you're comparing stock to a purpose built racing transmission. That grudge box has straight cut gears... and the stock one has helical cut. Its like comparing a rock to a .50 cal... because they both can be considered lethal projectiles
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Idk i have a stock HD 6speed i like it never had a problem with it . I guess it depends on your riding style to need to have a baker transmission. It looks nice ide probably put it in a display case and sit it on the living room shelf .🙂
“I don’t know what Harley was thinking….” That’s easy. How fucking cheap can we be? That Baker is badass. That’s beautiful.
Brass shift forks...nice Harley nice... Gona get me a baker one of these days.
Put a Baker DD6 in my '04 Ultra. BADDASS! Bert Baker is the MAN!!!
I’m glad I learned this now as I won’t bother looking for a six speed Twin Cam. If I find a cheap five speed I’ll just swap out the gears. Thanks for the detailed info👍
Baker transmission should be an essential component for a 131 build. Cool video.
Amen
For any HD motor rebuild.
Dammit, man! Thanks for shitting on the used gearset with a clapped-out 3rd I'm trying to sell. 😂
The man himself was doing some Dyno pulls on his personal ride at my local dealership just the other day. 🤘
I'll add this to the long list of things I need to upgrade
Baker 6 speed trans rocks on my 05 Road King hands down! 👍😎👍
Harley Davidson cheaps out on so many parts the Baker is art👌
Dudes know their shit. 💯
So glad I have an Evo 5 speed.
Buy a HD and toss out the trans and get a Baker , 40 grand Junk and buy 8 grand trans .
@@JCcanU haaaa crazy huh??? WOW
About to get a Grudge box installed on my 2018 Road Glide!
Good stuff
I have an od6 model. Absolutely well made. I got mine used and went thru it. Good stuff baker. Service. Knowledge. Friendly.
Yep, lost 3rd in my 17 ultra, and got black flagged for my tmax tuner! Went dds7 per recommendation, but wouldn't have today, 6 is enough with bigger motors! Thx!
Dam!! Thank you 👍 I didn't realize there was that much difference!!
You get what you pay for and that is America manufacturing at its best from Baker!
Amen
So if install this on a 2006 Softail standard, this would help it run smoother at higher speeds correct?
The Baker has straight cut gears, the Harley has Helical gears, interesting. Straight cut produce that whine you hear in race cars for instance, but they are the strongest gearing you can get. Helical gears are made to reduce that noise or remove it completely, but they dont hold up to a ton of power, which is why race cars / bikes typically will have a straight cut gear trans in it. Just some fyi lol
Glad you pointed that out. Thank you !
They were thinking... $$$ not our problem after warranty.
Great information
Got damn I had no idea !!!! Thanks for the info!!!! I will definitely be upgrading!!!!!! Damn it!!!!!
🤘🏼🤘🏼
I don't know much about transmissions, but Jesus Christ, you can SEE the difference between those two.
The Baker Trans is in a whole other league.
great topic
Great vid 🤘🏻
Within the first minute these guys have shown they don't know what they are talking about. The main difference is right in front of you - straight cut vs helical gears. Helical gears are much quieter but introduce thrust loads on bearings.
If you actually paid attention, we covered all of that. Clearly you’re not very good at paying attention. Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about clearly you’re not an actual mechanic.
@@kruesioriginals Clearly you are another brain-dead opinionated troll. A lot of mechanics have poor engineering comprehension, so you might actually be one, but if you are that misinformed I wouldn't advertise it on social media.
@@kruesioriginals watched the video twice and no you didn't cover everything as you stated in your answer
Is no one gonna talk about the gears themselves? Those Baker’s gotta be loud as hell, but straight cuts with that tooth thickness… that can handle quite a few go-fast goodies.
I will give HD this, those gears in combination with the thinner dogs and ball bearings are smooth, but that’s probably also a choke point for people who want to make TC HD with some muscle.
This transmission is completely quiet and 100 times smoother than that Harley piece of junk
Y'all must have vagina's worrying about noise. The big block chevy guys go ape shit for the muncie rock crusher trans. They isn skeered of noise, in fact the 1st n 2nd gear whine is nice. Y'all qould brag though ifn you had a blower on your bike, right. Take quite or strong. Gimmee strong all day long. PLUS OVERDRIVE, fuck 3500 rpms at 70 mph.
I have an 07 ultra classic with 96ci and 6 speed never had any issues matched up well…now if I was going to change out motors with more cubic inches yes I can see doing a baker 6 speed but I also have a Titan sidewinder with a 113 ci and a Jim’s fat 5 if I feel the need for hitting gears hard….I would never put a transmission like a baker 6 speed with an average motor ….if your going with big motors then yes but don’t waste your money on a bullet proof transmission on stock motors
Ive got a Jims OD 6 speed in my TC FXR and geared it exactly as described, super short with 6th gear as an (Aus) highway gear... only issue is 1st gear has become literally useless.
because 1st is so short?
@@gnarlytothemaxyep
Very reasonable price for what it is. Wish you weren’t 2,500 miles away.
I rode my 2008 RG for over 156KM never had problem with my 3rd but my 5th was noisy.
My 07 fxdb sometimes pops out of 3rd if I'm running through the gears hot rodding and it's a stock cam 96". Only does it when I'm power shifting (not using the clutch lever). I've been running spectro 6 speed oil like baker recommends hoping to prolong the stock harley 6 speed. Maybe one day I can afford one of those badass Baker 6 speeds. Might have to sell my Silverado for it or one of my kidneys.
Or stop power shifting
@@susdad next someone will say not to hot rod a cruiser like a harley. LoL thanks
@@DynamicVlogs69 yeah only time you can horrid a Harley is if it’s all aftermarket
@@susdad true, they sell a name not a quality motorcycle.
Right on! This is much need, would you recommend moving to the 6 gear over drive in a 5 speed?
Depends on your riding and average rpm range
If you have the money I would do it, but the five speeds are pretty tough out of the box they just don’t have the overdrive
@@kruesioriginals I appreciate the advice, love when you guys do these videos. Hard to find stuff like this
class right there...
Hi What is your price for a new Baker transmisson for my deuce 2001?
Mine '13 Ultra has lots of metalflakes on the drainplug, and with the rear wheel of the ground and turn it around, the transmission makes a soft scraping noise. Is that also a sign that it's gonna fail one of these days?
The first sign that it’s going to fail, is that it s an ultra. I just say good luck from there.
Hmm how about gear whining?? How are those straight cuts on that? I don't want i whistling motorcycle
I look them up it shows the final gear 1 to 1, just like Harley’s.
Harleys ceased to be "premium" motorcycles with the end of the Evo line. They're great because they're so easy to REbuild with quality aftermarket parts. (Happy Baker owner here.)
Is this for all harley 6spd?what year did harley start making the 6spd ?
Is it found in the 5spd gear boxes too(cheap parts) and if so what year did it start..thanks in advance...just bought on with the 6spd '07 CVO
The six speed starred in all Harley Davidson models in 2007. It’s just a junk transmission and you can’t get parts for them at all anymore they’re completely obsolete
What kind of oil you running in that trasmsion? Bel-Ray gear oil, redline, amsoil gear oil or Lucas gear?
None of the above, Motul. All of those are good though except for Amsoil, Amsoil is the worst trash you could ever put in a motorcycle
@@kruesioriginals oh wow really? So Amsoil is trash in general or just there gear oil? You seen bikes get destroyed using Amsoil?
Problem with beautiful looking components like that Baker transmission is that once it's installed you'll never get to look at it again. One question though...do the straight cut gears create added noise that could be considered annoying on longer rides? Or is the noise not really an issue?
Not an issue at all
That's usually why MoCo's go with helical gears. They are quieter, but not as strong as straight cut gears.
@@JIMBOBALOU if that’s the case, give me the straight cut gears, I’ll deal with the noise.
But i already know that u have removed the kushdrive and probably have a chain conversion and it was never designed for that shock load nor were they intended to pop 12 o'clock wheelies
The transmission came out of the stock bagger with ape hangers.
The transmissions are junk the shift dogs been very easily just from regular shifting
WOW...huge difference. I knew Baker was good shit, just didn't know that hd was such junk.
Kruesi originals always on my mom..Hey dad?...
Did they improve much on the m8’s? Doubt it lol, fuck now I want a baker
hello. I am from Albania. I have an S & S engine (No. A09872) from 2000. I am looking for a catalog for installation instructions. can you suggest me where to look?
S&S.com
What does it weigh? approx dimensions of the package? So I can think about the cost of shipping
There's no orginal HARLEY DRIVE ON MY BIKE ANYMORE!... SHES A S&S DRAGONT 143 N A BAKER 6 SP ON NITROUS, NOW MY HARLEY WORKS LIKE A PERFORMER NOT A SHITTY HARLEY ENGINE!...🏆🥳😎
Hmm I got a 13 road glide with a warmed over 143 in it ..I have given some thought to the bakers but so far I not needed one
@@jimkillen1065 the nitrous Made a mess of my stock tranny, so I put a BAKER in, shes on a mild tune of 225hp right now but I can turn up another 100 hp if needed!...🤣🥳😎✌ there's a whole bunch more done to her as well over 100k invested
King of the Bagger bike has suffered a failure and they're SHOCKED to have learned about this.
3rd gear is gonna go out on every harley 6 speed sooner or later, and they haven't changed a single part # on any of the problem parts in the 15 years its been in production, it only takes 3 parts to fix almost every harley 6 speed, 3rd gear, the pocketed dog ring and 3-4 shifter, granted it will only last as long as a new factory trans. but it's pretty cheap and easy to fix, oh yea, use harleys updated main drive gear bearing and your good, the baker is of coarse by far better, i like the 7 speed direct drive close ratio.
Wish I wasn't 1700 miles away or I'd bring my Rocker C in for a face lift.
Do Baker and Jims direct drive clusters also use brass parts? I could of sworn they did
I’ve never run one of their direct drives
Is the Baker noisier being Spur gears instead of helical gears?
No that really makes no difference at all just a lot stronger
I smashed my box on 2020 m8 replaced it with a grudgebox an fuck its gooooood
I was going to buy a Grudge Box as well but you don’t need to look to hard to find horror stories about Baker. I’ll hold off for now…
Is this for a softail?
So are the late model Harley M8’s any better?
Not really
Nope 3rd is a week point as well. Especially if you fucking ride it ride it. And the shift linkage will strand you lol
I want an od6 kit
Is 5th 1to 1 in the baker?
When can I get a “kruesi originals, on your mom” T shirt?
This needs to be made yesterday
😂😂😂
Those oe shift forks aren't brass. I used to steel forge them 😂
Is there anybody else beside Baker producing transmissions I mean like a direct bulletin because damn all the guys that I know that have Baker grudge box keep blowing them up and they're on the 3rd and 4th grudge box I think that kind of money there shouldn't be that many of those things blowing up all over the place even the dealership that are putting them in have the same problem
Jim’s makes some
Anyone tried replacing Sportster 5 speed with this Baker 6 Speed? Let me know if that is possible.
Spur cut gears = strength baker ,think muncie m22 rock crusher straight cut
Hahaha mannn this is the best review ever 🤣
Yup, I see stock Harleys with busted transmissions stranded on the shoulder of the road all the time!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fkn Harley. I can already foresee my bike becoming a Frankenstein by all the aftermarket companies making better products.
Must be noisy with straight cut gears though!
Noisy, ima skeered. Your bike is a glorified brigs n stratton tractor motor. And your worried about noise. Bet Your olelady made you think that way
Got early to watch this but not get a k bar😒
😂 lmao with the 7spd
Sorry boys beveled gears are smoother operating
It's ok to praise baker but to keep calling Harley shit was a little too much.
Not a Harley rider here, but this seems like a comparison with a bit of bias.
Baker is legendary in the community.... but you're comparing stock to a purpose built racing transmission. That grudge box has straight cut gears... and the stock one has helical cut.
Its like comparing a rock to a .50 cal... because they both can be considered lethal projectiles
way to act professional guys. pretty disappointing to see how bad you trash talk a company.
Oh shit that thing was totally shit I'd be happy to get rid of that shit lmao
Bakers customer service is garbage.you want baker parts deal with a outside source.baker gears are made by andrews ?
I heard that also
Trade that old bike in for a new one. Stay in warranty. That's the Harley way.
Um. Just get a Hayabusa
$3,500 makes me sad 😂😂🥲 One day I’ll be in a position to do what I want to my road glide