I recently installed this along with the Dorman updated aluminum oil filter housing. The also eliminates the 2011-2013 oil filter housing which has the problematic oil bypass valve that can come apart. My vehicle is a ‘12 Chrysler 200 Touring convertible. I no longer have the momentary groan at startup and the only thing to watch out for is some residual oil may still be present to catch with a shop cloth so it doesn’t drain way down into the V6’s valley. As a car enthusiast I don’t mind the extra step or two at an oil change because I believe it helps with longevity of the Pentastar engine.
Ahhh now I understand. Once the adapter is installed, it doesn't have to be removed. Just compressed air to evacuate the oil filter, remove and replace the oil filter. Easy Peasy!
It would be great if you would advise customers to upgrade to the dorman aluminum oil cooler. The factory plastic ones always end up leaking due to different expansion rates. Doing this first and adding your part will solve alot of common issues with this engine. Thanks!
His part is 100% not needed. When you start your engine. It does not start dry. There is oil left there from the last time you shut down your engine. If you don't believe me. Park you car for one month. Take the engine apart and there will still be oil on the bearings.
@@blackericdenice Just caught this video and saw the comment. You are wrong. The dreaded "Pentastar Tic-of-Death" happens specifically because of the dry start issues. Just because thee is a slight "film" of oil on the roller or whatnot, does *not* mean it is properly and completely lubricated. It's a known issue Jeep just never bothered to deal with. I have a 2012 JK I bought with 62k miles. I put one of these on at about 70k and am now at 156k with absolutely no issues whatsoever. This device will vastly increase the engines life span dramatically. The newer Jeeps, with the 3.6 *and* the Electonic Start/Stop engines: They need it even more! I wouldn't even run a 3.6l without one.
@@ralphnewman2479 Don't try to school me with some bs you read online. Show me a video where you put one on. Until you do. I don't believe anything you say.
I put the Baxter on when I upgraded to the Dorman aluminum housing. I noticed I don't get the ticking when starting like I was before. Time will tell if it was all worth it.
@@blackericdeniceJust dropped $5K on new rocker arms, cams (60K Mil JKU Rubicon) and the mechanics had no clue that this product existed but mentioned the dry starting issue with these motors. They have seen a huge uptick in rocker arm failure which leads to the dreaded tick and eventual cam wear. Any aftermarket part that improves on an existing design is a benefit to us. Couldn’t agree more with upgrading to the aluminum oil pump. Happy with the initial purchase but like most - time will tell if the product solves the issue. I’m here for it 🙏🏽
I am using the MS-201-BK on my 2021 Gladiator. It works fine and no leaks. However, I just realized that the original oil filter space still drains back all of its oil back into the engine. So, when starting, it has to fill up again before resuming lubrication. Hence, the new spin-on filter doesn't actually do anything until this space fills up.
Yes mate I would have to agree with you, I think this is a gimmick at best. Any oil it does hold in reserve is going to be so small that it won’t effectively saturate two heads and its valve train. Secondly oil pushes oil, the rest of the system is dry and will need to charge before it pushes the oil held in reserve. Interestingly the makers of this device don’t effectively explain how much oil it hold, where it holds it and how the reserve oil makes it to the heads on initial start up when everything behind it is dry.
Is there a wix filter that would fit under the engine cover of a 2017 JKU 3.6L? I think there was a shorter that would fit and a latger option that holds more oil but wont fit under the cover. I forgot the part number though.
@@baxterperformance4954 Great, once you get that RAM OEM Flimsy plastic Oil Housing, I will do both the same time, just an idea, add some cheap one use tools to make it easy, not all have a mechanic shop at home. :-)
When are you releasing the remote mount version? Also are you planning on selling the adapter itself, I would like to provide my own fittings, hose, and filter flange.
Can someone explain how this isn’t a gimmick? It would hardly hold any oil in reserve, 200ml at most? How is that effectively saturating two heads? Also oil pushes oil, if the rest of the system is drained then how is a dry system pushing the oil held in reserve out into the heads?? How long does it hold oil for and exactly what areas is it holding oil in? Holding in the new oil filter and the bowl where the cartridge use to go or hold does it hold oil in other areas?
57502 is the part number for the WIX filter .. i know a puralator and mobile 1 also csn be used. But not sure on the part number for them. Im sure u can look that up tho.
What happens if I just press down the shrader valve and don't have access to an air compressor? Will the oil still drain, or do I need compressed air? Thanks!
Sorry, one more question. Is the fitting for the valve to pump down the system meant to thread all the way in to the unit or just untill it cannot be turned anymore. Doing a dry assemble and it does not thread all the way in to the unit.
Do you know when the upgraded part will be ready for the 2012 JK 3.6. I need to replace the oil cooler/ filter assembly. I was thinking up upgrading to a 2015 style. Next install the Baxter
They recommend more than 30 psi to purge the filter. On a cold start up, the engine could see 90 psi of oil pressure. As long as you are not clearing it with too much air pressure, you should be fine.
is there any kind of thread sealant needed on the block off screw or the air fittings? it says to oil the threads before tightening what what keeps it from leaking?
@@baxterperformance4954 I used loc tite hydraulic sealant , being a pipe fitter I wont put any pipe thread together without sealant. DO N O T put it on the first 2 threads and NONE will get in the oil. Teflon tape tends to let strings behind . Be careful if you use that . And once again DO N O T put it on the first 2 threads.
The air pressure is pushing the oil through the filter and into the engine, not forcing dirty oil back past the anti-drain back valve. Only filtered oil. On the flipside, every time you shut down the engine with the canister filter, the unfiltered oil drains back from the filter to the pan.
Yes. The only time you'd be "blowing" anything, is before you are ready to change the oil. So why does it matter? What, you think your entire oil supply goes through your filter and comes out sparkling clean?
I recently installed this along with the Dorman updated aluminum oil filter housing. The also eliminates the 2011-2013 oil filter housing which has the problematic oil bypass valve that can come apart. My vehicle is a ‘12 Chrysler 200 Touring convertible. I no longer have the momentary groan at startup and the only thing to watch out for is some residual oil may still be present to catch with a shop cloth so it doesn’t drain way down into the V6’s valley. As a car enthusiast I don’t mind the extra step or two at an oil change because I believe it helps with longevity of the Pentastar engine.
Ordering it today for my 2017 RAM 1500 Express, Yes!
You’ll like it I’m sure.
Ahhh now I understand. Once the adapter is installed, it doesn't have to be removed. Just compressed air to evacuate the oil filter, remove and replace the oil filter. Easy Peasy!
Yes, exactly
You guys need to do an install video for 2014 Durangos
After you add the new oil you can prime the system by using clear flood mode it works great on the 3.6 engine
Correct. Hold the throttle to the floor while cranking. It prevents the fuel injectors from firing.
Do I need to put more oil than before?
Why didn't Molar just in stall an anti drain back valve in the oil filter housing?
It would be great if you would advise customers to upgrade to the dorman aluminum oil cooler. The factory plastic ones always end up leaking due to different expansion rates. Doing this first and adding your part will solve alot of common issues with this engine. Thanks!
His part is 100% not needed. When you start your engine. It does not start dry. There is oil left there from the last time you shut down your engine. If you don't believe me. Park you car for one month. Take the engine apart and there will still be oil on the bearings.
@@blackericdenice Just caught this video and saw the comment. You are wrong. The dreaded "Pentastar Tic-of-Death" happens specifically because of the dry start issues. Just because thee is a slight "film" of oil on the roller or whatnot, does *not* mean it is properly and completely lubricated. It's a known issue Jeep just never bothered to deal with. I have a 2012 JK I bought with 62k miles. I put one of these on at about 70k and am now at 156k with absolutely no issues whatsoever. This device will vastly increase the engines life span dramatically. The newer Jeeps, with the 3.6 *and* the Electonic Start/Stop engines: They need it even more! I wouldn't even run a 3.6l without one.
@@ralphnewman2479 Don't try to school me with some bs you read online. Show me a video where you put one on. Until you do. I don't believe anything you say.
I put the Baxter on when I upgraded to the Dorman aluminum housing. I noticed I don't get the ticking when starting like I was before. Time will tell if it was all worth it.
@@blackericdeniceJust dropped $5K on new rocker arms, cams (60K Mil JKU Rubicon)
and the mechanics had no clue that this product existed but mentioned the dry starting issue with these motors. They have seen a huge uptick in rocker arm failure which leads to the dreaded tick and eventual cam wear. Any aftermarket part that improves on an existing design is a benefit to us. Couldn’t agree more with upgrading to the aluminum oil pump. Happy with the initial purchase but like most - time will tell if the product solves the issue. I’m here for it 🙏🏽
Does the filter housing not have an anti drain back valve to prevent all that from happening?
I am using the MS-201-BK on my 2021 Gladiator. It works fine and no leaks. However, I just realized that the original oil filter space still drains back all of its oil back into the engine. So, when starting, it has to fill up again before resuming lubrication. Hence, the new spin-on filter doesn't actually do anything until this space fills up.
It holds oil in the spin-on filter, not the housing...
Then yours is broken because there’s a check valve holding oil in the entire unit.
the check valve holds oil in the filter at that's it@@johnvogt9637
Yes mate I would have to agree with you, I think this is a gimmick at best. Any oil it does hold in reserve is going to be so small that it won’t effectively saturate two heads and its valve train. Secondly oil pushes oil, the rest of the system is dry and will need to charge before it pushes the oil held in reserve. Interestingly the makers of this device don’t effectively explain how much oil it hold, where it holds it and how the reserve oil makes it to the heads on initial start up when everything behind it is dry.
@uberdetail5408 it holds oil in the filter and even if its a small amount its still far better than the OEM setup
What filter does it use? Couldn't see the Wix number in the video.
57045
Is there a wix filter that would fit under the engine cover of a 2017 JKU 3.6L? I think there was a shorter that would fit and a latger option that holds more oil but wont fit under the cover. I forgot the part number though.
Is there a specific torque setting on the installation ?
Love it ,
I recently saw the video for the Toyota tundras.
Do you have an application for Toyota 3.5 liter engines ?
Yes, TS-501-BK. Similar installation process.
Can you post a video of install on 2015 wrangler?
Why do you loosen the oil filter a little bit after you tighten it down?
I'm waiting for that answer also.
I think Mr. Baxter does that to freak everyone out. :-)
Its a o-ring seal. Never over tighten or they will crack. All ways back off a hair for expansion.
It’s awesome now make a oil cooler that doesn’t break . Doorman is got one but I would like some other options
We're looking into so options to remedy this in the future.
@@baxterperformance4954 Great, once you get that RAM OEM Flimsy plastic Oil Housing, I will do both the same time, just an idea, add some cheap one use tools to make it easy, not all have a mechanic shop at home. :-)
Putting this in is simple and waiting until you do the cooler is just adding wear to your engine and saves you no time.
When are you releasing the remote mount version? Also are you planning on selling the adapter itself, I would like to provide my own fittings, hose, and filter flange.
We're getting closer, hoping to begin offering them this summer. They will be available stand-alone.
Can someone explain how this isn’t a gimmick? It would hardly hold any oil in reserve, 200ml at most? How is that effectively saturating two heads? Also oil pushes oil, if the rest of the system is drained then how is a dry system pushing the oil held in reserve out into the heads?? How long does it hold oil for and exactly what areas is it holding oil in? Holding in the new oil filter and the bowl where the cartridge use to go or hold does it hold oil in other areas?
What number oil filter do I need or do I have to buy baxter filters?
57502 is the part number for the WIX filter .. i know a puralator and mobile 1 also csn be used. But not sure on the part number for them. Im sure u can look that up tho.
Handy video, but mine used a 1” socket not a 1 1/8” as stated in the video. Does this work on a 2022 3.6 Grand Cherokee?
I'm in here looking for a promaster 😅
Will it fit a 2014 Jeep grand Cherokee? Any special installation needed?
Do I need this for my 21 grand Cherokee Laredo
Hello my friend, is there such a special filter for jeep grand chrooke over land 2004 4.7
What happens if I just press down the shrader valve and don't have access to an air compressor? Will the oil still drain, or do I need compressed air? Thanks!
@danieltillman3858 I saw another vid that stated even a bicycle pump would work.
Sorry, one more question. Is the fitting for the valve to pump down the system meant to thread all the way in to the unit or just untill it cannot be turned anymore. Doing a dry assemble and it does not thread all the way in to the unit.
It's pipe thread, so it needs to be threaded in a ways so the threads will seal.
My Jeep sits a lot . At the 5 day mark it still rattles a little , guess thats better then beating it's self to death..
Do you know when the upgraded part will be ready for the 2012 JK 3.6. I need to replace the oil cooler/ filter assembly. I was thinking up upgrading to a 2015 style. Next install the Baxter
We have it designed, but nothing tested in production yet. If you replace the assembly, you can use the existing MS-201-BK for 2014 and newer.
oil; is still drain out of the canister
It is completely different than the one I have mine required houses what the heck
and then you drop the cap from the air valve.
does the air just put pressure to the filter only or does the pressure go into the cooler as well? not worried about causing leaks by doing so?
They recommend more than 30 psi to purge the filter. On a cold start up, the engine could see 90 psi of oil pressure. As long as you are not clearing it with too much air pressure, you should be fine.
We have blown them down with full pressure and not had any issues. It just takes a few seconds.
A little different system then my 17 Tundra.👍
That's because this is a Jeep.
Can this filter be used in a Jeep...? WIN XP 57045XP vs the older..57045
Yes, that is a great filter. It will work fine.
is there any kind of thread sealant needed on the block off screw or the air fittings? it says to oil the threads before tightening what what keeps it from leaking?
You can use thread sealing tape if preferred. They are pipe threads.
@@baxterperformance4954 I used loc tite hydraulic sealant , being a pipe fitter I wont put any pipe thread together without sealant. DO N O T put it on the first 2 threads and NONE will get in the oil. Teflon tape tends to let strings behind . Be careful if you use that . And once again DO N O T put it on the first 2 threads.
Will this work with the Dorman replacement oil filter housing on the 3.6
We've had some customers use them with success with the Dorman aluminum housing.
Ram 3.6 2020 has Paper oil filter, how do you do that please?
MS-201-BK Cartridge to Spin-on Adapter.
@@baxterperformance4954 Thanks, will keep you on mind when price is better.
Will this fit a 2021 Jeep Cherokee with the 3.2?
It will fit this engine. Be sure to check for clearances.
Will this fit to a 2013 3.6?
We're working on the 2011-2013 version.
@@baxterperformance4954 please post a video so we can order.
How can you say you are eliminating dry starts with an empty oil filter?
It holds oil in the spin-on filter... That way when the engine starts up, the check valve releases said oil into the engine...
So let me get this straight you blow dirty oil out of the filter back into to engine. Only a genius wouldn't of think this through. Lol
The air pressure is pushing the oil through the filter and into the engine, not forcing dirty oil back past the anti-drain back valve. Only filtered oil. On the flipside, every time you shut down the engine with the canister filter, the unfiltered oil drains back from the filter to the pan.
Yes. The only time you'd be "blowing" anything, is before you are ready to change the oil. So why does it matter? What, you think your entire oil supply goes through your filter and comes out sparkling clean?
The only thing that blows dirtier that a Baxter Oil Adapter is your mom lol hahaha sorry I had to.
Does this fit 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee?
The 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee has an intake tube located above the oil filter preventing use of our cartridge to spin on adapter.
What’s the best Wix to use w/ the kit, for 2017 Jeep Wrangler? Cross reference lists WIX 51372, WIX 57045, WIX 57502 and WIX 57899
It’s a Chrysler….😂
So, so surprised your using imperial measurements on a modern accessory considering everything automotive is metric.
Mopar
I have Magnuson super charger will this fit?