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@@MotorFeed Sorry I missed you I had an appointment yesterday afternoon. The new Tacoma we have is not for sale; we bought it so we will always have one for customers to test drive and see in person.
Man …. That looks like an 80,s land rover .. its like here in Mexico they tried to sale the russian UAZ Hunter ir costed almost same as a jeep and it was just as good as it was in the 60,s … same old technology
Blame the insane CAFE standards pushed on us by California and corrupt legislators. Mandating stupid stuff, like backup cameras, just loads up the MSRP! Then, in an energy dependent industry, with everything from mining and smelting various metals, along with running huge factories, the government dries up the supply of oil. They don't want you to drive! You can get along with a bicycle and public transportation. Watch car prices drop like a rock under Trump!
What a shitty thing to say. Maybe he is sitting in the best house in his town and enjoying the best food with his family. Which is what he values and put his money in rather than cars.
@@adammada427 I’m not sure what you are objecting to. This man was grandstanding . He was elevating his choices above other people’s choices. I only pointed out that there are no perfect plans. All plans have pluses and minuses. The minus of his plan was pointed out by Epictetus 2000 years ago. Save all you want. You will still die . Someone else will get the money
He lost me when he called it "outdated." That's a concept that matters with trivial things like fashion, not serious practical matters like transportation. A lot of basement-dwelling tech fanboys think in those terms, guys who just have to have the newest and latest thing just because it's the newest and latest. It might be crap functionally, but it's not "outdated." There's a related term, "obsolete," but the criteria for obsolescence are generally not matters of fashion, but of function and the conditions of use. Sometimes older things are better.
Love your videos, but as an original owner of a '14 Grand Cherokee I suggest you rethink EVER advocating for a recent Stellantis product... most of it is over-priced rolling junk.
Stellantis go out of their way to make horrible products. One of the reasons why their products stay on a lot a long time. People are more aware how bad Stellantis vehicles are. Stellantis attempt, at making EVs is a horrible joke. The older Jeeps are much better and a better value compared to the later Jeeps. When I put in the different links, TH-cam takes the comment down 😒
@@MotorFeedGood Luck getting warranty items repaired. My guess is, you don’t have a warranty on a 2019, as it’s beyond the 3yr/36000mi. Stellantis also reduced the power train warranty as well. But, warranty will deny your claim. Good Luck!
I think the sucker light is a dealer option. haha. I would rather buy a high mileage one and figure out how to swap in the Coyote V8. Someone HAS to make a swap kit at some point.
Buying any Bronco that had / has parts assembled in Mexico is an automatic no-go for anyone with a brain. And BTW, aren't the new Forunners equipped with turbo 4-cylinder engines now? I know this is the only engine available on the new Tundra - effectively ruining that product line...
So the internets say the base model starts at 71K with no delivery/add-ons/tax/title/fees. The one he is looking at is north of 80K. Its so weird how the more money they put into a vehicle the "better" it is. If I had the money...I would rather get a 50K TRD Off Road and put 30K worth of mods on it. And IF the engine needs something I can pay a reasonable price instead of 5 times more simply because it says BMW. Oh, and post parts stores will probably have what I need in stock.
I bought a new jeep gladiator 13 months ago, $57,000. I couldn't keep it in its lane, it wandered off course, especially when passing big trucks. I waited 3 months for the updated, steel, steering box, very little difference. No doubt, going off road, at 10mph in 4 low, might be reasonable but, getting to ones destination was a dice with death. I bought a new Toyota 4runner, I drive normal, no, not like a American, 80 mph in a 55. I average 20.7 to the gallon. Give me old school, and reliability.
the bm, is a good choice, engine,, but for eu, not u.s.. here in aus, we fit LS, or bm , 3.0tdi m57.. in everything..my cat is a bit smoky lately, cough,.
That’s why they spread the woman can do it all agenda. So they work instead of raising a family. And being stubborn as they are, they’ll get in stupid debt for cars like this.
Well these cars are now averaging 1/10 of a million dollars and are dead on 10 years. Who doesn't have $10,000 a year to drop on something that will be worth nothing in 10 years.
I do not recommend Stellantis, its subsidiaries FCA and PSA, with US models Ram, Jeep, and Dodge. Anything happens and warranty support will deny the claim. If the vehicle runs and drives, then Stellantis will state nothing is wrong with the vehicle. Plus, the price of the vehicles are bloated, and not comparable in value. Good Luck!
I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing the value in buying a Jeep or Bronco for $20k - $35k over an "outdated" 4Runner would cost. Those Jeeps and Broncos will be recycled into washing machines and the 4Runner will still be running strong. You talked about how much more modern the Jeep interior was compared to the 4Runner. The climate controls look pretty close to identical. It's your money, get what pleases you.
I've been in automotive repair for 27 years. What makes you think anybody would buy this? I like the utility of it and back to basics aspects of it, but who the hell makes this thing and how many months will you be waiting on parts? And you 100% lost me when you said it had a BMW engine. That reason alone makes it a crappy vehicle. Good luck finding anybody to work on this thing. I am 100% Toyota but Toyota destroyed the reputation of the Supra by putting a BMW engine in it.
They’ve already completely sold ‘24 inventory slotted for US delivery - I think it was sold out last December or January. So there’s your answer - it’s limited volume, and it’s just right for its target market
Starting at about $70k. I forgot to mention that in the video. It's not cheap. I also had some footage that was useless and had issues. That why the ending is abrupt.
@@MotorFeed I dunno with a price like that them old 4Runners that are tried true and tested seem to be the better option especially since we don’t know how well these will hold up in the long haul.
Have you owned an Armada ?? Been looking at a very reasonable 2019 model and am wondering how they are in real life. The engine must be a beast with around 400 hp. Any info would be appreciated
proly cos were not part of the eu.. last decent, not perfect or really good, was the 80 series.. gutless. how to fix an 80 series, buy a gu nissan, fit the transfer, front coils. into the nissan, & a bm 3.0 tdi. nissan have a trans brake, the best, & a longer wheel base, better.. or, buy a 78 f100 4x4, fit a front locker, job done.. no need for tjm, arb, bs.. cant beat yank 4x4rs, not jeeps.. i have a gu, s/duty, 1975 f250 highboy, cut to swb.. look them up, & cry.. diesel or petrol.. 35,s no probs.. no mods..
I've said on different sites, most people complain about fuel economy in America, especially BIG truck owners? 99% of trucks that pass me on freeways, are driving at 80mph, even when the speed limit is 65mph. My son drove a jeep wrangler every day for 7 years, did 14,000 miles a year. He averaged 19 miles to the gallon, I bought a Toyota 4runner in January and I average 20.7 miles per gallon. Who's driving correctly.
No doubt - nice suv. Good luck on service bills when things start breaking. This is also instant “gratification” - building out my 4Runner trd off road and having it the way I want has given me tons of pleasure- plus now I know how to fix some stuff on the trail.
I love how every feature you would want even if you didn’t know you may someday need it is an option. I mean get real, an off-road vehicle that I have to option a hitch. Then you get to the seats and say, “ They are manual which is great”. Uh, in what planet is that great. I guess if we built one with no power steering, no power windows, no Ac to break, manual transmission, manual door locks, a traditional key ignition, a push button Am/ Fm radio, No ABS brakes, wheel hub locks for 4 wheel drive and find some old 1970 headlights and get rid of the ridiculous led lighting we would have a $200,000 ultimate vehicle.
I saw one of these 2 days ago at a local auto show and it blew my socks off. I am in the market for this type of vehicle and will give it a serious second look when I am ready. Plus the factory accessories, like tent, awnings, racking were well priced and of great quality.
One question on your highly recommended vehicle that you saved till the end, WHAT IS THE BASE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE ??. But I must say ,as always, thank you for another fantastic and informative video !!. Take care Brother.....
I’m not gonna lie saying that you’d take a 24 Wrangler over a 4Runner is an absolute atrocity. Costs twice as much for half the car. You are down bad for Jeep my man. Besides that awesome video 🎉
oooh...steel wheels. Hm, spend 80k on a new SUV entry by a British Chemical company that has been making SUV's since 2022 or pay literally HALF that on a 4runner by company who has been making them since 1983 and RENOWNED for their dependability. Sounded like a sponsored video to me, the Ineos rep sealed the deal.
I was on the wait list for a Grenadier and even spec’d one out… I backed out and bought a 2023 Lexus GX460. The price, the quality, the cost of parts, the lack of service centers, some of the odd design choices etc all added up to a terrible idea. Unlike what you said in this video, seeing out of the rear window is SUPER hard with the huge spare tire and the pillar for the split doors, the 2nd row of seats don’t fold flat so you don’t have any flat load space if you will use it for work, things like a new key are $1,200, everything is bespoke and expensive for it should you break something and the two nearest service centers to me are about 80+ miles. You buy a new vehicle, what is the likelihood of bugs? Kind of high, do I want to drive 160 miles round trip to have something sorted? NO! I didn’t even address things like none of the new ones are coming with tow packages because they have some recall on them, I didn’t even talk about things like the electric power steering pump, yes, it literally has an electric pump behind the passenger headlight to run the power steering. That couldn’t be ran off a reliable belt? Or the weird choice to put everything on a screen, OR the electric shifting of the transmission, where the Toyota there is still mechanical linkage from the shifter to the transmission so if you ever need a tow you aren’t laying under the vehicle trying to get the stupid thing in neutral. Once you get past the cool visual appeal of the grenadier, it has a lot of meh qualities.
you dont go 4x4ing. you bought a 300 series toyota. gx460, same sht.. if you have money like that.. buy a sports car, fk the 4x4rs.. not worth it..its a status symbol, nothing else.. i have a 2000 s/duty, 4.2tdi mwm sprint, german diesel, built in brazil, sold in aus, canada, africa, u.k.., not u.s. mine has 700nm, no computer crap,14 lt 100, 4x4, tows 4.5t. 5sp. 35,s. owned 8 yrs, no probs.. not a yupi.. follows mates 80 series toyota, round tight sandhills, no probs. std.. not a status person, practical.. carries 8.5mtr on the roof rack. 3m in rear. comfy, cheap.. 25k..au. about $2.50 u.s.
Get real,you bought a rebadged Toyota Landcruiser ( good/ great vehicle) Lexus is just fake luxury, people unknowingly that buy them, Toyota is forced to pay the legal IT law firm ( lexis- nexis) a substantial Royalty for using their likeness which Toyota initially tried unsuccessfully to steal.
12:53 I wish they had a raptor V8 option or even regular spec V8 option with the bronco. Very sad it came up short in that regard. But who knows maybe the V6 you can add a turbo and it will be like the V6 mustang with a turbo that made crazy numbers recently.
Actually, the "Jeep" Wrangler IS the "best" for hardcore off road trails. Period. Solid Front Axle beats Independent Front Suspension that everyone else (but the Grenadier) uses when it comes to hard trails, every time. Wheels on the ground have traction, wheels in the air do not. But other than that, it's hard to deny Jeep's quality issues. (I drive a JK Wrangler off road, and have for years). What puts the Wrangler above the Grenadier as the "best" ? SUPPORT. Parts availability, dealership availability, etc. AND you can get a very good one for less money.
Well I'm shocked at all the complaints about the price. In today's market $70-80k for a vehicle really isn't that far fetched. This isn't a Corolla, it's a pretty well equipped 4x4, with some expensive bits. One thing I was surprised that they either don't have or wasn't mentioned is a front and rear camera system for off-road. They have really built this vehicle for people who want to do some serious overlanding. I happen to be one of them. I'm currently in the process of building out my 2021 Ford Ranger for overlanding. By the time I'm done building it out I'll probably have $70k in a truck that stickered at $38k. I'll be interested to see how this does off-road. Also wondering if there is good shielding under the vehicle. I don't know any of the history of this company, their reliability, etc., but I do like a lot of the things they've designed into the vehicle from the factory that costs a fortune to do after market. This reminds me of the old Land Cruisers.
So I really like the Grenadier but to say they are better than Toyota or Jeep are a huge stretch… I’d suggest you look at Trailrecon video on them or TFL’s… they’ve got a long way to go before they are really competitive.
The Grenadier, IMO, is basically a hybrid BMW designed to mimic a G Wagon… but costs less. As this brand becomes better known I think they are going to sell a lot of them in the U.S. it’s a sharp looking and capable off-roader for sure.
I can't justify buying anything brand new or have perpetual monthly car payments. Wish the Ineos Grenadier had three rows of seats, a heavy duty V8 or diesel motor. I will have stick with the Sequoia or Lexus GX 470. BMW turbo says unreliable long term.
If Ford listened to their customers they'd offer the 5.0l 302 motor on all trims. 302 is the traditional Bronco motor from 1sr gen- 2nd gen, Broncos had 302 motors. No way I'm paying $44,000+ for an SUV that doesn't have the V8 option.
OK - Grenadier owner and former Idahoan weighing in here. I really struggled with the choice - looked hard at the new Defender, the Sequoia TRD Pro, and whatever I could find out about whatever the new 4Runner will be, as well as all the pre-release info I could get on the new Land Cruiser. The Lexus GX - I’m sorry, probably a perfect 4x4 but I just have a visceral hatred of Lexus. Bronco and Rubicon hard pass. I LOVE Toyota - but the Sequoia is absurdly huge, third row unusable, 2nd row in Pro are captains chairs, load deck is really high to handle the battery over the rear axle - and no flat load. Toyota - I’m sorry, HP and torque numbers aside, I do NOT want a hybrid 4 and independent suspension up front - I want solid axle, 3 locks. If I got the LC (eventually), and made it work with a lift kit, better bash plates, decent wheels / tires, I would probably spend almost as much as the Grenadier (86,5 plus destination fee - 88 and change). But that would still be pretty awesome, front axle aside. The new Defender - I just don’t think I can trust JLR - way too much to go wrong, with air suspension and everything. I wanted stripped back and loved that Ineos used all the components most of us would pick ourselves for off-road mods. Brembo, Eibach, Bilstein - in terms of the engine - the B58 has been in the top 10 in the world 4 out of the last 8 years. Toyota engineers are totally behind it. And the ZF transmission is buttah. I’m just not buying the anti-German line, here. All the engineering around the Grenadier is from Magna Steyr (Austria) - same as the G Wagen. Ineos even pulled over the COO for the automotive division from Magna. This is a really serious endeavor- not playing around with some mall crawler Pavement Princess. The cost is not off what soccer moms are paying for their Yukon Denalis or if you did mods to one of the new Toyota Land Cruisers- and the price is for the quality of the components and construction (oh yeah, all the assembly line guys are from the Mercedes plant that Ineos bought in Hambach). Not creature comforts or fluff. Yes, I’m worried about service and parts. Yes, I wish there were better interior storage options (where do I put my phone?!!!). Yes, I still miss my turns when parking and need to take a second run at it. But I absolutely love every square inch of that thing. It has more character and honesty than anything I’ve ever driven (anything new, I mean).
Yeah I’ve got 2 Toyotas - of course I love them. I kind of don’t get the indignation of Toyota owners over the Grenadier. Toyota walked away from the “real” Land Cruiser, so it’s not a huge surprise that there would be buyers for an expensive, overbuilt 4x4 tank with 2 solid axles that doesn’t run on a hybrid 4 (shudder). Honestly JLR and Toyota did the same thing to those buyers at the same time - leaving them with hybrids and independent suspension. Classic Defender and Heritage Land Cruiser - RIP. You both deserved a better fate.
to be fair, the G-Wagons are the only somewhat "reliable" modern Mercedes. Still, i wouldnt buy one or rent one when i am touring some remote parts around the world. Its either a Toyota, Patrol or an older gen Land Rover.
I love old and outdated when it comes with dependability. I have a 2016 tundra TRD pro 4x4. It fit me perfectly, not bells and beeps going off constantly. I paid $39,000 new in December 2015, now they are $78,000, ugh!
You want to hear a good one? My Dad bought a new truck in 1969, Ford 1/2 ton, $2,350.00 brand new, yes, two thousand three hundred fifty. Now a set of tires is $1,500, lol
Stellantis goes out of their way to make horrible products. One of the reasons why their products stay on a lot a long time. People are more aware how bad Stellantis vehicles are. Stellantis attempt, at making EVs is a horrible joke. The older Jeeps are much better and a better value compared to the later Jeeps. When I put in the different links, TH-cam takes the comment down 😒
That mirror tag on the 4 runner with the discount seems sketch. It says price includes “trade and finances” I wonder if they are throwing in some sort of “with 5k trade” into that equation.
They likely set the price with a low-balled trade-in offer anticpated (so they can make more $ on your trade sale), in addition to financing through the dealership (where they will add 1%-2% apr on top of the rate you qualify for). Typical dealership bs - which is why people dont trust dealerships.
I'll take my 2001 Tacoma w/ 184,000 miles. I added custom leather seats a couple years ago and upgraded the sound system with a rear camera. Rock solid realizable doesn't cost over $50,000 and doesn't have fake air vents in the grill
Correct - the reason Ineos couldn’t offer the B57 in the US (it’s offered in the other markets) is BMW couldn’t offer a 10+ year emissions certification, so Ineos couldn’t take the risk. So we only get the B58. That’s a regulatory situation - not a BMW or Ineos thing. Only other option would have been to go with a different engine and transmission supplier - no WAY Toyota would have gone for that, and they are hell bent on hybrid, which Ineos didn’t want anyhow.
Hey, just an idea that may help you with your content. 1: when recording the sticker why not try a different angle. 2: rather than showing us your reflection why not add the information in post production Just a thought…
I had.one.of.the old square Isuzu trooper s. It was just the 4 cylinder with a 5 speed behind it. That thing was so awesome. It has a , manual windows. It was perfect for weekend camping trips , or just.going to check on the cows in the back pasture, when the weather was too Ruff to go on the tractor. True it's like a dinosaur today compared to today's vehicles. I'd buy a new Isuzu today if it was the exact same as the one I had , over these new SUVs. Sadly I traded it to pay for the closing cost of my first home.
A "discounted" Bronco, of any kind, with a price of $90,000.00... is just INSANE. Dealerships are out of touch with reality. EVERY vehicle you have shown is at LEAST 60% overpriced. There is no excuse for any of these to be over $30-35k.
Funny you ended with the Grenadier when after seeing the price of the others, If I was going to spend close to a one hundred grand on an off road vehicle, I just go with a fully restored Defender 110. I do really dig all of the outside ports and mounting options on the Grenadier. Once it's been out for a while and more companies start offering accessory add ons for overlanding I'm sure it will become more popular. I'm still waiting to see how the Toyota Trailunter does. I have an 07 FJ cruiser and wish Toyota would have instead of getting rid of it combined it with the Land cruiser and started offering their own customizable overlander. Especially with the new hybrid power plant they're offering in the Trail Hunter that is 300 hp and 300 lbs of torque.
He has none. Changes his opinions to fit the video and goes on to make baseless statements to ensure he can make that sweet, sweet adsense and sponsor money.
Just a modifier to my previous comment - nobody at Ford or Toyota is going to panic over Ineos. Unless you are in the chemicals business or see them show up as sponsors in cycling, yachting or soccer, you don’t know who they are - and they’re fine with that. I can’t imagine EVER seeing a television ad for a Grenny. They are a small volume producer for a very targeted class of buyer - and they want it that way. If they wanted market share, they would have to compromise on engineering/build integrity, or go a different direction on steering and suspension - and find out how to shift price points down $10-20k. But that’s not what they want to be building. Those of us who are buying them, it’s exactly what we’ve been looking for. That’s a small group, and no threat to Toyota’s segment dominance (most of us also love and respect Toyota, BTW). Most of us also don’t want the headache and compromise of a Rubicon, most of us don’t care at all about the Bronco, most of us don’t trust JLR, and most of us respect the Lexus GX but just want some more soul and character - and most of us realize we’re taking a risk with parts and service.
Listen good review yet I feel you miss some major points; The Jeep is not a good tower even on the small scale unless it’s a tiny travel trailer. And the Four Runner although not much better yet the slightly longer wheel base length, is better for towing.. And the 4Runner steering wheel. The Steering Wheel spacing at the bottom of the circumference has a “opening “ to rest your hand and arm as you tow or any distance driving regardless if you’re towing or not. The Branco is the best at towing among them all; Ford offers a Tow package and Ecoboost is spot on 🏁 Now I’m someone that tows, two different Travel Trailers. I love Jeeps by the way. Yet my experience with towing wasn’t good in regard to my current half-ton.
And given that Ineos only plans to build 25,000 a year with 8000-10000 target for US, Ford and Toyota are not worried. Ineos is not aiming for market-share. As they say, “it’s built for purpose.” That’s it - if you don’t want it, don’t buy it. Not their problem to solve.
For you to “normalize” the astronomical prices the manufacturers are trying to charge for their equipment that maybe has $ 15,000 worth of parts in it is a disgrace. Buying new at these prices means the minute they leave the lot the person has thrown away $ 20 - 25,000 dollars. Excuse me.
hahahaha. I'm definitely not normalizing these prices. You clearly have not seen any of my other videos talking about how stupid the prices are. Also, showing you what it costs does not show my opinion. It's a FACT on the sticker. For you to "assume" anything from 1 video is misguided.
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The parts aren’t
We've got a new Tacoma on the lot in Nampa if you want to come drive it!
I saw it and sat in it yesterday! Could not find you. It's also in this video. Will come back soon.@@medmark
@@MotorFeed Sorry I missed you I had an appointment yesterday afternoon. The new Tacoma we have is not for sale; we bought it so we will always have one for customers to test drive and see in person.
When you said you would take a jeep over a 4runner I had to discount everything else you said.
The Grenadier starts at $71k base. That's a whole lotta ridiculousness.
And they’re arguable less reliable than the notoriously unreliable Land Rover they were supposed to compete with.
Like 20 grand higher than it should be, and then I still wouldn't buy it!!
I looked at it at the end there, it is a really nice piece though.
Oh No!😢
its a kit car. based on r/rover.. a company trying to make them better..
Wow, holy shit Batman, a Bronco Raptor is $95,600!!!!!!
Hell no. Who are buying these?
🤔🤑😞😠
$96K...LOL. Give me a break. I hope all those dealers go bankrupt.
😂😂
It probably has cloth seats too, smh 🤦🏼♂️
I agree. Ridiculous prices. 🤣
Man …. That looks like an 80,s land rover .. its like here in Mexico they tried to sale the russian UAZ Hunter ir costed almost same as a jeep and it was just as good as it was in the 60,s … same old technology
Blame the insane CAFE standards pushed on us by California and corrupt legislators. Mandating stupid stuff, like backup cameras, just loads up the MSRP! Then, in an energy dependent industry, with everything from mining and smelting various metals, along with running huge factories, the government dries up the supply of oil. They don't want you to drive! You can get along with a bicycle and public transportation. Watch car prices drop like a rock under Trump!
Almost 18 mins into a 24 min video before we see the freaking vehicle.
Yup. Jumped to the 17:00 mark😅
thanks for saving me 18 minutes of my life..
Good looking out
Hey man, thanks for the work you put into this video. I found it interesting and very informative.
Thanks
I'm a 70 year old American man, a Native of Iowa. I have never purchased a new car or truck, only used, and I have never spent more than $10K.
So when you die, what do you think the people who get the money you earned will do with it?
What a shitty thing to say. Maybe he is sitting in the best house in his town and enjoying the best food with his family. Which is what he values and put his money in rather than cars.
@@adammada427 I’m not sure what you are objecting to. This man was grandstanding . He was elevating his choices above other people’s choices. I only pointed out that there are no perfect plans. All plans have pluses and minuses. The minus of his plan was pointed out by Epictetus 2000 years ago. Save all you want. You will still die . Someone else will get the money
I just realized that this is an April Fool's video that accidentally got released early.
Looking at vehicles at are overpriced by $20,000 + and showing a small discount is the best. This is comedy gold.
I will lean to a new base Tahoe 4x4 3.0 Dmax and get 25+MPG with a MSRP of $62k
"i bought my lightly used jeep for 45k! i saved 10k!
The Cybertruck is a better vehicle than all these and in many cases cost less.
Really in every case because you ain't buying gas.
He lost me when he called it "outdated." That's a concept that matters with trivial things like fashion, not serious practical matters like transportation. A lot of basement-dwelling tech fanboys think in those terms, guys who just have to have the newest and latest thing just because it's the newest and latest. It might be crap functionally, but it's not "outdated." There's a related term, "obsolete," but the criteria for obsolescence are generally not matters of fashion, but of function and the conditions of use. Sometimes older things are better.
How does a 15.00 dollar and hour person buy one they would have to sell their Soul
Love your videos, but as an original owner of a '14 Grand Cherokee I suggest you rethink EVER advocating for a recent Stellantis product... most of it is over-priced rolling junk.
Despite their flaws… I own a Wrangler and probably always will.
Stellantis go out of their way to make horrible products.
One of the reasons why their products stay on a lot a long time. People are more aware how bad Stellantis vehicles are.
Stellantis attempt, at making EVs is a horrible joke.
The older Jeeps are much better and a better value compared to the later Jeeps.
When I put in the different links, TH-cam takes the comment down 😒
@@MotorFeedGood Luck getting warranty items repaired. My guess is, you don’t have a warranty on a 2019, as it’s beyond the 3yr/36000mi. Stellantis also reduced the power train warranty as well. But, warranty will deny your claim. Good Luck!
Recent product? More like any product from any time.
The TJs and XJs were great. 4L straight 6 was bulletproof.
$93,000 for a Bronco with funny flared fenders...lmao. Does it have an LED light on the back flashing "sucker" when you drive down the hwy?
I think the sucker light is a dealer option. haha. I would rather buy a high mileage one and figure out how to swap in the Coyote V8. Someone HAS to make a swap kit at some point.
The Cybertruck blows that away, and you ain't even buying gas so saving a lot of money.
@@metalmike570 No.
Buying any Bronco that had / has parts assembled in Mexico is an automatic no-go for anyone with a brain.
And BTW, aren't the new Forunners equipped with turbo 4-cylinder engines now? I know this is the only engine available on the new Tundra - effectively ruining that product line...
@@bigglyguy8429 I'm not sure but I said it anyway.
So the internets say the base model starts at 71K with no delivery/add-ons/tax/title/fees. The one he is looking at is north of 80K. Its so weird how the more money they put into a vehicle the "better" it is. If I had the money...I would rather get a 50K TRD Off Road and put 30K worth of mods on it. And IF the engine needs something I can pay a reasonable price instead of 5 times more simply because it says BMW. Oh, and post parts stores will probably have what I need in stock.
I bought a new jeep gladiator 13 months ago, $57,000. I couldn't keep it in its lane, it wandered off course, especially when passing big trucks. I waited 3 months for the updated, steel, steering box, very little difference. No doubt, going off road, at 10mph in 4 low, might be reasonable but, getting to ones destination was a dice with death. I bought a new Toyota 4runner, I drive normal, no, not like a American, 80 mph in a 55. I average 20.7 to the gallon. Give me old school, and reliability.
Not to mention that the Toyota engine is FAR more reliable than the BMW.
So how much did you say???
@@jameslowery4550 Looked it up as soon as he said 3 lockers. Knew it wasnt gonna be pretty.
the bm, is a good choice, engine,, but for eu, not u.s.. here in aus, we fit LS, or bm , 3.0tdi m57.. in everything..my cat is a bit smoky lately, cough,.
You showed that new vehicle and totally didn’t say a word about cost.
Right at 85k to 95k…
It ain’t worth 90,000
@@jimsteinway695 ll these cars are a joke at anyhting more than 50k. Buying a jeep wrangler for 60-70-80 is insane.
I totally agree. People are starving in the world and people pay 90k to drive across town.@@kkacperowski
PANIC MODE
Honestly, at these prices, a buyer has to be a millionaire. If they aren't, they are getting into serious debt.
That’s why they spread the woman can do it all agenda. So they work instead of raising a family. And being stubborn as they are, they’ll get in stupid debt for cars like this.
Well these cars are now averaging 1/10 of a million dollars and are dead on 10 years. Who doesn't have $10,000 a year to drop on something that will be worth nothing in 10 years.
the 4Runner will also last about 6x as long as that wrangler to
This is true. haha.
I like outdated! Especially if it's a Toyota...
Yes
You can run them 20 years when you take care of them.
I'm talking about Toyotas.
It has the retro look & layout of a late 20th century Land Rover.
Absolutely !
The SR5 4X4 is the low-key best trim level. It has everything that the vast majority of people need without any of the overpriced stuff.
Turbos=engine wears out faster costing more money to fix
Yep.
You got it
Boost doesn't mean unreliable. Look at all of the old boosted diesels back in the day.
@@AndyE30 key word.... Diesels
@@AndyE30yeah “Diesels”
I'll take one! Then, ill have to live in it cause its likely more than our house.😮
I do not recommend Stellantis, its subsidiaries FCA and PSA, with US models Ram, Jeep, and Dodge. Anything happens and warranty support will deny the claim. If the vehicle runs and drives, then Stellantis will state nothing is wrong with the vehicle. Plus, the price of the vehicles are bloated, and not comparable in value. Good Luck!
Its still called FCA. Its just part of the Stellantis group.
Had no issues having the rear window/seal and both exhaust manifolds replaced on my certified preowned 2020 Ram 1500 I purchased 6 months ago.
@@Dan-gj1hzStellantis is the corporate name. FCA and PSA are subsidiaries. What’s your point?
@@NoLimitsCommemorativExhaust systems are not covered by ESC warranty. Window seals are cosmetic, also not covered by ESC warranty.
@@briank10662 read your own comment 🤡🤡🤡
I don't care for a lot of gadgets. Simplicity works for me
I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing the value in buying a Jeep or Bronco for $20k - $35k over an "outdated" 4Runner would cost. Those Jeeps and Broncos will be recycled into washing machines and the 4Runner will still be running strong. You talked about how much more modern the Jeep interior was compared to the 4Runner. The climate controls look pretty close to identical. It's your money, get what pleases you.
not to mention more electrical and sensors to go out on the "more modern", which most warranties dont even cover.
And his top pick has a BMW engine. $$$ to get service done.@@Pepe-dq2ib
my money, i did, a 75 f250 highboy, cut to swb, 4 w disc, 5sp, 351c, 35,s. all up,with purchase 20 yrs ago, about 12k.. worth 40k now.. winner...
I've been in automotive repair for 27 years. What makes you think anybody would buy this? I like the utility of it and back to basics aspects of it, but who the hell makes this thing and how many months will you be waiting on parts? And you 100% lost me when you said it had a BMW engine. That reason alone makes it a crappy vehicle. Good luck finding anybody to work on this thing. I am 100% Toyota but Toyota destroyed the reputation of the Supra by putting a BMW engine in it.
They’ve already completely sold ‘24 inventory slotted for US delivery - I think it was sold out last December or January. So there’s your answer - it’s limited volume, and it’s just right for its target market
Toyota is so outdated, maybe you should keep learning to catch up
@gravenguan so purchase trash vehicles, sounds like sound advice. You don't change what works. You sound very intelligent.
So what was the price?
I will repeat, what you posted. He might see one of us. 🧐
im sure they are comparable to the G-wagon. its BMW powered, so parts are probably hard to get as well being that it's a new vehicle from europe.
Starting at about $70k. I forgot to mention that in the video. It's not cheap. I also had some footage that was useless and had issues. That why the ending is abrupt.
@@MotorFeed I dunno with a price like that them old 4Runners that are tried true and tested seem to be the better option especially since we don’t know how well these will hold up in the long haul.
70K !❗️! 😢
And you had me "sold" on that Gem.
Funny how he doesn’t mention the price of Grenadier….that’s kinda important don’t you think?
The best SUV would be
Toyota land cruisers and 4runner
Nissan Patrol/Armada
We get a new Land Cruiser real soon! (well... prado. lol)
Have you owned an Armada ?? Been looking at a very reasonable 2019 model and am wondering how they are in real life. The engine must be a beast with around 400 hp. Any info would be appreciated
All i know about the Enios is that in Australia they are having a hard time getting parts!
Ineos, and it is British.
proly cos were not part of the eu.. last decent, not perfect or really good, was the 80 series.. gutless. how to fix an 80 series, buy a gu nissan, fit the transfer, front coils. into the nissan, & a bm 3.0 tdi. nissan have a trans brake, the best, & a longer wheel base, better.. or, buy a 78 f100 4x4, fit a front locker, job done.. no need for tjm, arb, bs.. cant beat yank 4x4rs, not jeeps.. i have a gu, s/duty, 1975 f250 highboy, cut to swb.. look them up, & cry.. diesel or petrol.. 35,s no probs.. no mods..
The really good thing about the 4 Runner is the terrible fuel economy! But they are a 400K car at least!
Everyone love terrible fuel economy! Lol.
I've said on different sites, most people complain about fuel economy in America, especially BIG truck owners? 99% of trucks that pass me on freeways, are driving at 80mph, even when the speed limit is 65mph. My son drove a jeep wrangler every day for 7 years, did 14,000 miles a year. He averaged 19 miles to the gallon, I bought a Toyota 4runner in January and I average 20.7 miles per gallon. Who's driving correctly.
4 runner,?. here in aus. its a 200 or 300 series,,all crap. nearly 200k here au..
No doubt - nice suv. Good luck on service bills when things start breaking. This is also instant “gratification” - building out my 4Runner trd off road and having it the way I want has given me tons of pleasure- plus now I know how to fix some stuff on the trail.
It's always good to know how to do trail fixes. Anything can happen when you're in the middle of nowhere.
puts me in mind of the old British range rovers, you see in movies
You mean Land Rovers. That's what it was styled on.
A 4Runner cost around 45k will last at least 500k miles how much does a Grenadier cost and how long can it last?
but you only drive on the road, why have a 4x4. ???...
Correction last 500000 before the 4 cylinder castration
Damn! Glad I bought used. These new SUV/truck prices are out of hand.
It's definitely crazy.
@@MotorFeed it is! 70grand for a Jeep?? Wow!
Your channel is awesome by the way
(17:42) just skip to this time mark 17:42, you’re welcome!
your scotty kilmer clickbait titles are really turning me off, really struggled on whether to bother clicking on the video
Same for me. I come over occasionally just to read the comments.
I love how every feature you would want even if you didn’t know you may someday need it is an option. I mean get real, an off-road vehicle that I have to option a hitch. Then you get to the seats and say, “ They are manual which is great”. Uh, in what planet is that great. I guess if we built one with no power steering, no power windows, no Ac to break, manual transmission, manual door locks, a traditional key ignition, a push button Am/ Fm radio, No ABS brakes, wheel hub locks for 4 wheel drive and find some old 1970 headlights and get rid of the ridiculous led lighting we would have a $200,000 ultimate vehicle.
Call me crazy but I'd swap something like a Cummins 2.8 diesel in this with a manual transmission.
That would be rad! I bet someone does it eventually once we see higher mileage examples.
toyota 3.5 or a ford 2.3 with an Aisin (not to be confused with Asian) made 6 speed manual.
the cummins should be much better with the zf 8 speed tbh!
id just buy an old rubicon, do the same. parts will be hard to get.. 4 door that is, 2 doors are death traps..
I saw one of these 2 days ago at a local auto show and it blew my socks off. I am in the market for this type of vehicle and will give it a serious second look when I am ready. Plus the factory accessories, like tent, awnings, racking were well priced and of great quality.
Best SUV we have ever owned was a 1990 Toyata 4-Runner with MANUAL transmission! Ahhh I long for those days! What a great vehicle....
Those were built so well. I use to own an 80 Series Land Cruiser. Huge mistake selling that one.
One question on your highly recommended vehicle that you saved till the end,
WHAT IS THE BASE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE ??.
But I must say ,as always, thank you for another fantastic and informative video !!. Take care Brother.....
you had me hooked until the letters BMW were mentioned. so its BMWs version of the G-wagon. hard pass from me.
I agree the engine choice is questionable. But it had great power when I drove it.
Bowel Movement Werks
That BMW engine is a good one, at least in the Toyota cars.
You didn’t mention the price of the Indios grenadier ?!
Enjoyed your presentation, no BS and to the point 👍
After listening to your video for 24:18 minutes you still avoided the final price. Why the secret?
Not on purpose. I honestly just forgot to mention it. Can't exactly add to the video after uploading so it is what it is.
I’m not gonna lie saying that you’d take a 24 Wrangler over a 4Runner is an absolute atrocity. Costs twice as much for half the car. You are down bad for Jeep my man. Besides that awesome video 🎉
Maybe you forgot the part where I showed you my 2019 and said the 2024 was overpriced? 🤦🏼♂️
oooh...steel wheels. Hm, spend 80k on a new SUV entry by a British Chemical company that has been making SUV's since 2022 or pay literally HALF that on a 4runner by company who has been making them since 1983 and RENOWNED for their dependability. Sounded like a sponsored video to me, the Ineos rep sealed the deal.
toyota been making toyotas, from 1945.. jeep copies.. chev engine..
My favorite part is when he finally showed the car and then told us the price. Stellar job brotato.
Really.. you can not beat a Toyota 4 runner SR4. Old and dated = less stuff to break and cheaper to maintain.
I was on the wait list for a Grenadier and even spec’d one out… I backed out and bought a 2023 Lexus GX460. The price, the quality, the cost of parts, the lack of service centers, some of the odd design choices etc all added up to a terrible idea. Unlike what you said in this video, seeing out of the rear window is SUPER hard with the huge spare tire and the pillar for the split doors, the 2nd row of seats don’t fold flat so you don’t have any flat load space if you will use it for work, things like a new key are $1,200, everything is bespoke and expensive for it should you break something and the two nearest service centers to me are about 80+ miles. You buy a new vehicle, what is the likelihood of bugs? Kind of high, do I want to drive 160 miles round trip to have something sorted? NO! I didn’t even address things like none of the new ones are coming with tow packages because they have some recall on them, I didn’t even talk about things like the electric power steering pump, yes, it literally has an electric pump behind the passenger headlight to run the power steering. That couldn’t be ran off a reliable belt? Or the weird choice to put everything on a screen, OR the electric shifting of the transmission, where the Toyota there is still mechanical linkage from the shifter to the transmission so if you ever need a tow you aren’t laying under the vehicle trying to get the stupid thing in neutral. Once you get past the cool visual appeal of the grenadier, it has a lot of meh qualities.
you dont go 4x4ing. you bought a 300 series toyota. gx460, same sht.. if you have money like that.. buy a sports car, fk the 4x4rs.. not worth it..its a status symbol, nothing else.. i have a 2000 s/duty, 4.2tdi mwm sprint, german diesel, built in brazil, sold in aus, canada, africa, u.k.., not u.s. mine has 700nm, no computer crap,14 lt 100, 4x4, tows 4.5t. 5sp. 35,s. owned 8 yrs, no probs.. not a yupi.. follows mates 80 series toyota, round tight sandhills, no probs. std.. not a status person, practical.. carries 8.5mtr on the roof rack. 3m in rear. comfy, cheap.. 25k..au. about $2.50 u.s.
Get real,you bought a rebadged Toyota Landcruiser ( good/ great vehicle) Lexus is just fake luxury, people unknowingly that buy them, Toyota is forced to pay the legal IT law firm ( lexis- nexis) a substantial Royalty for using their likeness which Toyota initially tried unsuccessfully to steal.
Daily driving a jeep wrangler is punishing. Sorry Ill take a subaru if I want power to all 4 wheels.
Softy.
12:53 I wish they had a raptor V8 option or even regular spec V8 option with the bronco. Very sad it came up short in that regard. But who knows maybe the V6 you can add a turbo and it will be like the V6 mustang with a turbo that made crazy numbers recently.
I would never include "jeep" and "best" in the same sentence.
Actually, the "Jeep" Wrangler IS the "best" for hardcore off road trails. Period. Solid Front Axle beats Independent Front Suspension that everyone else (but the Grenadier) uses when it comes to hard trails, every time. Wheels on the ground have traction, wheels in the air do not. But other than that, it's hard to deny Jeep's quality issues. (I drive a JK Wrangler off road, and have for years). What puts the Wrangler above the Grenadier as the "best" ? SUPPORT. Parts availability, dealership availability, etc. AND you can get a very good one for less money.
Jeep is unreliable.
Well I'm shocked at all the complaints about the price. In today's market $70-80k for a vehicle really isn't that far fetched. This isn't a Corolla, it's a pretty well equipped 4x4, with some expensive bits. One thing I was surprised that they either don't have or wasn't mentioned is a front and rear camera system for off-road. They have really built this vehicle for people who want to do some serious overlanding. I happen to be one of them. I'm currently in the process of building out my 2021 Ford Ranger for overlanding. By the time I'm done building it out I'll probably have $70k in a truck that stickered at $38k. I'll be interested to see how this does off-road. Also wondering if there is good shielding under the vehicle. I don't know any of the history of this company, their reliability, etc., but I do like a lot of the things they've designed into the vehicle from the factory that costs a fortune to do after market. This reminds me of the old Land Cruisers.
So I really like the Grenadier but to say they are better than Toyota or Jeep are a huge stretch… I’d suggest you look at Trailrecon video on them or TFL’s… they’ve got a long way to go before they are really competitive.
Even the cartel, terrorist and afrikan warlords drive Toyota when they could easily afford Grenadiers and Jeeps.
The Grenadier, IMO, is basically a hybrid BMW designed to mimic a G Wagon… but costs less. As this brand becomes better known I think they are going to sell a lot of them in the U.S. it’s a sharp looking and capable off-roader for sure.
The dealer said they are delivering 1 every day right now. I'm curious to see what they will go for used a few years later.
Can't wait to see these at the mall parking lot
Or Costco.
How much for the Grenadier? You didn't mention price..
Dude, slow down with the jerky camera action. Brutal. Thanks for content.
In what world is the bronco better than the jeep and 4runner!!!😂😂😂
1978.. id say.. ausie, think we got 3 here.. i have 1 of 3 h/boys.. 75.. no blazers.. damn.... just fkn toyotas..
I can't justify buying anything brand new or have perpetual monthly car payments. Wish the Ineos Grenadier had three rows of seats, a heavy duty V8 or diesel motor. I will have stick with the Sequoia or Lexus GX 470. BMW turbo says unreliable long term.
$100K for a Ford Broncos?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 good for the people who got money 💰!😂😂😂😂
I like the yellow wranglers yours looks great 👍
If Ford listened to their customers they'd offer the 5.0l 302 motor on all trims. 302 is the traditional Bronco motor from 1sr gen- 2nd gen, Broncos had 302 motors. No way I'm paying $44,000+ for an SUV that doesn't have the V8 option.
Reliability, billions of miles of history,,,,,, Good call!!
You are so right about the unrealistic price of the jeep wrangler. Even the base price for lower models are out of line.
OK - Grenadier owner and former Idahoan weighing in here. I really struggled with the choice - looked hard at the new Defender, the Sequoia TRD Pro, and whatever I could find out about whatever the new 4Runner will be, as well as all the pre-release info I could get on the new Land Cruiser. The Lexus GX - I’m sorry, probably a perfect 4x4 but I just have a visceral hatred of Lexus. Bronco and Rubicon hard pass. I LOVE Toyota - but the Sequoia is absurdly huge, third row unusable, 2nd row in Pro are captains chairs, load deck is really high to handle the battery over the rear axle - and no flat load. Toyota - I’m sorry, HP and torque numbers aside, I do NOT want a hybrid 4 and independent suspension up front - I want solid axle, 3 locks. If I got the LC (eventually), and made it work with a lift kit, better bash plates, decent wheels / tires, I would probably spend almost as much as the Grenadier (86,5 plus destination fee - 88 and change). But that would still be pretty awesome, front axle aside. The new Defender - I just don’t think I can trust JLR - way too much to go wrong, with air suspension and everything. I wanted stripped back and loved that Ineos used all the components most of us would pick ourselves for off-road mods. Brembo, Eibach, Bilstein - in terms of the engine - the B58 has been in the top 10 in the world 4 out of the last 8 years. Toyota engineers are totally behind it. And the ZF transmission is buttah. I’m just not buying the anti-German line, here. All the engineering around the Grenadier is from Magna Steyr (Austria) - same as the G Wagen. Ineos even pulled over the COO for the automotive division from Magna. This is a really serious endeavor- not playing around with some mall crawler Pavement Princess. The cost is not off what soccer moms are paying for their Yukon Denalis or if you did mods to one of the new Toyota Land Cruisers- and the price is for the quality of the components and construction (oh yeah, all the assembly line guys are from the Mercedes plant that Ineos bought in Hambach). Not creature comforts or fluff. Yes, I’m worried about service and parts. Yes, I wish there were better interior storage options (where do I put my phone?!!!). Yes, I still miss my turns when parking and need to take a second run at it. But I absolutely love every square inch of that thing. It has more character and honesty than anything I’ve ever driven (anything new, I mean).
OK, but give us an update on what you think of it in 5 years? I'll still be loving my Toyota in five years.
Yeah I’ve got 2 Toyotas - of course I love them. I kind of don’t get the indignation of Toyota owners over the Grenadier. Toyota walked away from the “real” Land Cruiser, so it’s not a huge surprise that there would be buyers for an expensive, overbuilt 4x4 tank with 2 solid axles that doesn’t run on a hybrid 4 (shudder). Honestly JLR and Toyota did the same thing to those buyers at the same time - leaving them with hybrids and independent suspension. Classic Defender and Heritage Land Cruiser - RIP. You both deserved a better fate.
Super stoked with my Grennie too! Build quality is like a G Wagon less the fluff. Some cool after marker storage options now.
21:27 A detail almost NO ONE mentions about that engine. Nice 👍
You edit out the door close then ask us if we heard the door clunk
🤣
2:22 But it says "price includes trade." A bit misleading for a markdown.
When I'm in Colombia & DR, The 4 Runners are Diesel, I always Rent Those, Freaking Awesome Mileage & Power, Why Toyota Not Selling Here in USA ?
I've had my eye on the Grenadier for over a year and STILL can't get confirmation of the approved dealers in the Midwest or East Coast.
Bro, you had me until you said mercedes. 😒 how do you compare Salmon to Can of sardines. 😅😅😅
to be fair, the G-Wagons are the only somewhat "reliable" modern Mercedes. Still, i wouldnt buy one or rent one when i am touring some remote parts around the world. Its either a Toyota, Patrol or an older gen Land Rover.
I was on the fence until you said B58. Now I am interested.
Have fun getting parts
So what’s the price of that last vehicle you showed?
I see X-PESIVE $$$$$$
I'm in love. I don't like the lack of a guage cluster tho. It makes it feel like it was sort of put together in a garage out of spare parts
My dads base 97 wrangler was $16k brand new.
My oh my have times changed 🤣
my 75 f250 h/boy, was 3k, 20 yrs ago, still have it, worth 40k now..
Flipper would be digging that he'd be doing some back dancing cackling all the way from here to Hyannis Port
Lost me at BMW motor 😒
I love old and outdated when it comes with dependability. I have a 2016 tundra TRD pro 4x4. It fit me perfectly, not bells and beeps going off constantly. I paid $39,000 new in December 2015, now they are $78,000, ugh!
The prices increases have definitely gone off the rails.
You want to hear a good one? My Dad bought a new truck in 1969, Ford 1/2 ton, $2,350.00 brand new, yes, two thousand three hundred fifty. Now a set of tires is $1,500, lol
Stellantis goes out of their way to make horrible products.
One of the reasons why their products stay on a lot a long time. People are more aware how bad Stellantis vehicles are.
Stellantis attempt, at making EVs is a horrible joke.
The older Jeeps are much better and a better value compared to the later Jeeps.
When I put in the different links, TH-cam takes the comment down 😒
That mirror tag on the 4 runner with the discount seems sketch. It says price includes “trade and finances” I wonder if they are throwing in some sort of “with 5k trade” into that equation.
It does seem a bit confusing for sure.
They likely set the price with a low-balled trade-in offer anticpated (so they can make more $ on your trade sale), in addition to financing through the dealership (where they will add 1%-2% apr on top of the rate you qualify for). Typical dealership bs - which is why people dont trust dealerships.
But how many cupholders come in Grenie?
156
I'll take my 2001 Tacoma w/ 184,000 miles. I added custom leather seats a couple years ago and upgraded the sound system with a rear camera. Rock solid realizable doesn't cost over $50,000 and doesn't have fake air vents in the grill
wats sad is USA's war on diesels! if the B57 diesel isn't offered its a pity!
Correct - the reason Ineos couldn’t offer the B57 in the US (it’s offered in the other markets) is BMW couldn’t offer a 10+ year emissions certification, so Ineos couldn’t take the risk. So we only get the B58. That’s a regulatory situation - not a BMW or Ineos thing. Only other option would have been to go with a different engine and transmission supplier - no WAY Toyota would have gone for that, and they are hell bent on hybrid, which Ineos didn’t want anyhow.
Hey, just an idea that may help you with your content.
1: when recording the sticker why not try a different angle.
2: rather than showing us your reflection why not add the information in post production
Just a thought…
Getting a new Land Cruiser, never once considered this Frankenstein monster.
I'm excited to see the new LC in person.
I had.one.of.the old square Isuzu trooper s. It was just the 4 cylinder with a 5 speed behind it. That thing was so awesome. It has a , manual windows. It was perfect for weekend camping trips , or just.going to check on the cows in the back pasture, when the weather was too Ruff to go on the tractor. True it's like a dinosaur today compared to today's vehicles. I'd buy a new Isuzu today if it was the exact same as the one I had , over these new SUVs. Sadly I traded it to pay for the closing cost of my first home.
A "discounted" Bronco, of any kind, with a price of $90,000.00... is just INSANE. Dealerships are out of touch with reality.
EVERY vehicle you have shown is at LEAST 60% overpriced. There is no excuse for any of these to be over $30-35k.
Funny you ended with the Grenadier when after seeing the price of the others, If I was going to spend close to a one hundred grand on an off road vehicle, I just go with a fully restored Defender 110. I do really dig all of the outside ports and mounting options on the Grenadier. Once it's been out for a while and more companies start offering accessory add ons for overlanding I'm sure it will become more popular. I'm still waiting to see how the Toyota Trailunter does. I have an 07 FJ cruiser and wish Toyota would have instead of getting rid of it combined it with the Land cruiser and started offering their own customizable overlander. Especially with the new hybrid power plant they're offering in the Trail Hunter that is 300 hp and 300 lbs of torque.
Snuck in an Xterra reference “Everything you need, nothing you don’t!” I was waiting for “A million uses and counting”
Price?
What criteria do you mainly use to make your ranking?
He has none. Changes his opinions to fit the video and goes on to make baseless statements to ensure he can make that sweet, sweet adsense and sponsor money.
Oh ok. Just a guy expressing his own opinion regardless of the facts. My ex wife was like that as well. Time to block that non-sense.
Just a modifier to my previous comment - nobody at Ford or Toyota is going to panic over Ineos. Unless you are in the chemicals business or see them show up as sponsors in cycling, yachting or soccer, you don’t know who they are - and they’re fine with that. I can’t imagine EVER seeing a television ad for a Grenny. They are a small volume producer for a very targeted class of buyer - and they want it that way. If they wanted market share, they would have to compromise on engineering/build integrity, or go a different direction on steering and suspension - and find out how to shift price points down $10-20k. But that’s not what they want to be building. Those of us who are buying them, it’s exactly what we’ve been looking for. That’s a small group, and no threat to Toyota’s segment dominance (most of us also love and respect Toyota, BTW). Most of us also don’t want the headache and compromise of a Rubicon, most of us don’t care at all about the Bronco, most of us don’t trust JLR, and most of us respect the Lexus GX but just want some more soul and character - and most of us realize we’re taking a risk with parts and service.
Can Buy Decent Small House For Cost Of This Look Hard Enough.
Buy This Your Going To Be Living In It.😢
Would love to see more of the video but the camera flying around from feature to feature made me nauseous.
Listen good review yet I feel you miss some major points;
The Jeep is not a good tower even on the small scale unless it’s a tiny travel trailer. And the Four Runner although not much better yet the slightly longer wheel base length, is better for towing.. And the 4Runner steering wheel. The Steering Wheel spacing at the bottom of the circumference has a “opening “ to rest your hand and arm as you tow or any distance driving regardless if you’re towing or not.
The Branco is the best at towing among them all; Ford offers a Tow package and Ecoboost is spot on 🏁 Now I’m someone that tows, two different Travel Trailers. I love Jeeps by the way. Yet my experience with towing wasn’t good in regard to my current half-ton.
And how reliable is the BMW engine in the Grenadier ?
What camera were you using to record this video?
Awesome video, 😀
Glad you enjoyed it
Fighter jets do not have overhead panels with switches and buttons. That look is sixties /seventies era Apollo spacecraft.
At 80k and up for the Trialmaster, Ford and Toyota are not worried.
And given that Ineos only plans to build 25,000 a year with 8000-10000 target for US, Ford and Toyota are not worried. Ineos is not aiming for market-share. As they say, “it’s built for purpose.” That’s it - if you don’t want it, don’t buy it. Not their problem to solve.
For you to “normalize” the astronomical prices the manufacturers are trying to charge for their equipment that maybe has $ 15,000 worth of parts in it is a disgrace. Buying new at these prices means the minute they leave the lot the person has thrown away $ 20 - 25,000 dollars. Excuse me.
hahahaha. I'm definitely not normalizing these prices. You clearly have not seen any of my other videos talking about how stupid the prices are. Also, showing you what it costs does not show my opinion. It's a FACT on the sticker. For you to "assume" anything from 1 video is misguided.
YOU FORGOT !!!! What is the base price for the Grenadier?
It's $71K so not cheap. And I did totally forget.
Great...Thanks for the quick response@@MotorFeed