10 Things I Love and HATE about my Bambu Lab X1 Carbon!
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- Our @BambuLab X1-Carbon has been with us for 1 month and the results have been varying. Do we have a winner or a 🍋 on our hands? Find out as we tackle 10 things we LOVE and HATE about our X1 Carbon!
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I agree with you on almost all points. I was an early Kickstarter backer and have had mine since early August. Fortunately mine has been an exceptional printer. I have been 3d printing for 8 years and I think this is my 7th printer, and it is what I believe is the best printer ever made. Hopefully they can work out some of the issues you mentioned to give everyone a great experience.
We will see. Mine is on it's was back to Bambu Lab, and I am not too certain when I am expecting a replacement to arrive.
Definitely sounds like you have a lemon. Mine has been going solid for 6 months without any of those issues. I’m in the discord a bit, and people have problems obviously, but the extent you’re having them seems off the scale. You need to try for a replacement and start again I think.
Given the connection to the channel, that bambu has already established, asking for something would make me feel like I am throwing what little weight this channel brings around. Because of that, I need them to offer it, not me. While some may say "use what you got" it seems unethical and certainly against my better judgment to do so.
@@3DMusketeers I’d make the same suggestion to anyone having the same amount of issues you are, regardless of if they have a TH-cam channel or not.
I’ve just never seen anyone else with the same severity of headaches you’re having , so a refund or replacement seems a pretty reasonable request I’d think.
I agree, however I am not trying to throw the channel at Bambu. They are now aware of the video so the ball is in their court.
@@3DMusketeersI'd imagine they see most of the videos done on their products. Hope you finally reach out and give them another solid chance
I’ve been into 3d printing since high school. (Graduated 2017) was 3d modeling all four years and even helped my high school setup their own mini print farm for the students! After years of off and on research into the topic I decided this past December it was time for me to get a printer to start selling some of my designs. Went with the x1c. Ams comes in separately today. I’ve had the machine for about a solid month now and I am just truly blown out of the water ! Been printing in pla+ and tpu exclusively. And this machine is fast! Had 0 problems with it so far. It sucks to see someone as yourself get a lemon ;). But as a paying customer, I believe you Absolutely should be demanding a new unit. I hope you get it figured out soon man and can enjoy this fancy thing
I should be but I struggle with Bambu knowing about the channel and maybe giving into me because of the exposure where they would push back on a normal user. That worries me because I do not want a different experience.
Man... I'm planning on purchasing one. My pre-order is still open. Everyone has been raving about it. Thank you for speaking up on these issues that you're having, isolated or not. It is so important. I've been printing with Prusa's for a couple years now and it's tempting to switch, but not at the sake of my small business and my time. I'm interested in knowing if you've heard anything from them after posting this.
never hard switch, if you want to take a risk and add one, go ahead, many have had better luck than me, but for my business, until they get these issues ironed out, it is a no from me dawg.
No word from them yet.
@@3DMusketeers So prusa mk4 instead of the x1 carbon, right?
@@Doile911 the prusa mk4 is a good printer, reliable and retains the brand name of prusa... but don't take it as revolutionary. it's highly dependent on what you plan to do with it and your opinion on things.
I've been using the softfever fork of Bambu studio, and have a profile set up for most printers. I love the multiple plates, and it is honestly nice to have all the settings AND the models on the same page.
I have not tried it yet, I want to get my printer running right first!
It is not difficult and it enables support for a wider range of printers, custom gcode and custom profiles.
Looking forward to Saturday! Thank you for the review
heck yeah!
LMAO...what a video. I have 4 X1C and have been running 24x7 since December running ABS, PLA, PETG, ASA with little to no issues like you have. Granted it annoying about the whole spool situation, for us we just rip the cardboard sides off the poloymaker filament and insert the bambu ones, and for other spool from KVP, MatterHaker, inland, Atomic, etc we just rewind them on old spools that we know work with the AMS and were are done. Our 10 Prusa's are all resting and taking a break now that the bambu has taking there workload from them, because of how fast and efficient they are. Yep it appears that you have a lemon, we have one of our Troodons and 2 of our Vorons that are door stops and are high maintenance compare to the rest of the farm of same or similar printers, perhaps we will part them out for the others. I would suggest to Bambu to RMA you to limit you any downtime, unfortunately we could not do that with the Troodon (Formbot) and Voron since it was a kit. Good luck, I and will be watching to how they attempt to make this right for you.
I wont take the time to rewind spools, that is an absolute waste of mine and yours. Make me a good offer on those Prusas as I would be happy to add them to my fleet ;)
The Troondon was just brought up in our discord. I am certainly interested in it as the idea of a voron kit is a bit overwhelming.
Given Bambu is aware of the channel, they mde the connection before I mentioned it, requesting an RMA seems like I would be throwing what little weight we have here to benefit me directly. This is something a normal consumer would not have and I am not looking for any special treatment. However, I have kept the box should they decide this is the right option at some point.
Look forward to your repairs. Thanks for the video. I have one on order so hopefully not a lemon.
here's hoping!
@@3DMusketeers The Troodons we have and I am referring to is not the new 2.0 which is basically a pre-built Voron. I went through the same issues with the Prusa MMU were half the folks were having success and the others including myself, spend tons of hours and failed multi color pints, and modifications, upgrades, firmware etc, and same issues with the Mosaic Palette. These are all setting in boxes, and my experience they should of never been put in production.....tinker toys not business tools. The AMS has been pretty rock solid with printing multi color compared to the Enraged Rabbit, Prusa MMU, and Mosaic Pallete.
I am told the trick for the MMU is to reprint all the parts, but as someone that really hates fiddling with stuff when I am working, I never bothered with one.
Hello! So what did the support team ultimately proposed as a solution ? Hopefully it gets resolved quickly 👍
replacement, we will see what happens!
Thank you for your honesty, I have been eyeing off bambu labs printers for the last couple of weeks and come close but still haven't pulled the trigger because I am after more unbiased opinions.
Glad to see you were not trying to use your channel for influence as it gives a better representation of what their support is actually like for general users. My wife got a new HP laptop a while ago and the hinge was way too tight and it cracked the screen when opening it, HP support told me it was our fault and we would have to pay to have it repaired. I responded and told them it's definitely not our fault and a friend of mine who's TH-cam channel with over 2m subs was going to do a video on it. They very quickly responded saying they will cover it under warranty at no cast at all including postage. I do have a friend who's channel has over 2m subs but he was never going to do a video on it lol. Sometimes you really have to play hardball with them as they will walk over you if they think they can😉
being unbaised is so hard, we all feel some type of way about things.. However, Bambu did eventually agree it was time to send it back. It SHOULD be showing up tomorrow, the replacement, and if so, we should be unboxing it sometime this weekend.
I just want to make sure I have an experience like anyone else would, if I have something different because of my status, whatever that may be, that means I am misrepresenting the company and that ultimately looks bad on me.
There is a check box in the settings that you need to enable if you want it to put the file on the SD card.
It is checked.
Man that sticks.
Jesse PLA - also had lots of issues with my x1 but also has some successes
Bambu studio - soooo much easier to work with than Prusa slicer - also love having multi plates for print jobs
Hopefully you get yours swapped out
Thank you sir! Any thing I should try with Jessie that you found to work?
The plate management of being able to select any plate and slice it is glorious. But otherwise I find them to be pretty similar in features, just different in UI JUST enough to confuse me sometimes ha ha!
@@3DMusketeers I've been printing quite of bit of Jesse PLA on my P1P. No issues on it, so maybe the X1 is changing values during its startup sequence based on its calibration?
no clue man, it just fails to extrude well via the AMS. Not sure if your P1P is using an AMS and buffer or not. I have a feeling that has something to do with it
@@3DMusketeers After I typed my response was thinking if the AMS might be at fault here, or at least contributing to some level of your troubles. Have you tried printing direct and bypassing the AMS? Just trying to rule out variables.
The AMS actually works great from what i can tell. I have not printed direct, no access to the rear of the machine.
Hi! I want to buy 1 but How I can know how many time need for print using a flexible filament 45A for egg (4cmx2cm) because I need to print a lot of merchandise. And don't know how many time need for it or if bambu lap it's compatible with flexible filament
You cannot really print TPU with it, but a 45A is very soft, I do not even think filament is made at a 45A...
Thanks for your honest insights into your experience into the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon. What would be the printer(s) of your choice within the price class of the X1 C and similar capabilities?
Prusa. Mind you, they are older, slower, and not as technologically advanced, but they work, all 13 of mine work amazing.
If you have printer experience the Sovol SV06 is a great option for little money. I have a sv06+ on order.
The Bambu's bring so much tech to the table, however they are not without their significant issues. I got a lemon, we know this, but how many else got them and do not know what to expect?
"And that's not to sit here and stroke my ego, it's to stand here and tell you that snoopdogg is my bestie" 😄👌
lol we are not besties, but we have done business :) Check around mid april every year for proof ha ha!
Grant, Thank you for swinging so hard to make things better! I know I will directly benefit from your frustration in future revisions, luckily I have time to wait for them.
I know your not the only one, too many are afraid to speak negatively of Bambu experiences. To be clear I don’t own a Prusa or a Bambu (for many similar reasons) so a good old fashioned HERE IS WHY evidenced based conversation is something that can go a long way towards making printing better for everyone.
Yeah take a look at the comments of any of my bambu videos and see the hate.. its rough, wont lie..
Well done sir! You took the time to clearly and succinctly describe your experience, without rancor or disparagement! As a crayon eating Marine who is researching my 1st 3d Printer, you helped me better understand the issues.
Thanks! There's a 6 month update here too. It's not much better...
Funnily enough I've had a similar experience with my Prusa Mini.
Ofc my issues were not nearly as bad and the firmware and software just work as they should, but still an interesting parallel.
I still ended up absolutely loving my Mini, given how positive most of the internet seems to be about Bambu I hope you will appreciate yours more as you fix it up, though the healthy and fair scepticism and being critical of it is more than welcome.
The Bambu machines are not the best for me either, I like being able to easily modify my printers to my preference, like what I have been doing to my Prusa Mini even.
I use cheaper filament which is admittedly of mediocre quality, but consistent and gets me 90% of the print quality for 60% of the price of Prusament.
Initially, this gave me issues with the Mini's extruder, as the profile clogs up over time as this filament slightly grinds during printing of infill and other high volumetric flow parts.
I'm already printing hot for the print quality I want so I would slow the printer down a tad, but a modification I made to the extruder using a dremel polishing wheel to constantly clean the profile worked out much better than I expected.
For this I've added the feeder gear to the list of parts I should frequently replace, but wear on the profile has been minimal and it has recovered on it's own from that one roll that's so far gone that I *should* not print with it that it made me confident in doing large prints with it.
Furthermore, the PEI sheet game me some issues, still being used to printing on painter's tape from before my 3 year break of the hobby and avoiding IPA to clean it as I *hate* the alcohol smell.
Took me a while to dial in the first layer height, as expected, but got this down well over time and now reliable get a good layer.
Ended up going back to ye olde butterknife trick for removing parts (I could keep painter's tape in good condition doing this, so I can keep the PEI in good condition too) after flexing the bed and skipping the gluestick on ABS/ASA and even PETG prints with smaller surfaces.
Frequently cleaning the bed by wiping it twice with a mild degreaser in water meant for preparing surfaces for paint, thoroughly wiping with a cotton cloth after wiping it on.
Which takes more time but has worked wonderfully for me, leaving the PEI in good condition yet having tricky prints stay stuck during printing without having damaged the surface with well stuck prints.
My printer was a kit and I took my time making sure I followed the assembly instructions properly, yet I did have an issue in the final build.
Centred the back Y bearing left the homing position off by enough where the printer ran into the alignment posts while within it's build area.
The pictures show it pushed all the way back but the text did not mention this, so I had to figure this one out on my own, after a first layer got messed up by it.
On the subject of the Y axis, I have noticed the heater PCB noticeably bowing up where it holds the sheet, even cold or at PLA temperatures, which has translated in a slightly inconsistent first layer (not caused by a drooping or twisted X axis, I checked).
The spring steel mostly accommodates for this and it still prints well, but compared to the aluminium backed PCBs I used before, which I got lucky with as mine stayed flat, it's a noticeable downgrade.
In a similar vein the machine needed more minor upgrades than I'd like for this price, stuff like extrusion and LCD back covers, a few bits of tape to keep cables running nicely and the Z axis and extruder gears needing a bit of grease, despite the instructions explicitly saying they don't.
But in the end, it's a fantastic printer that has been serving me incredibly well and impressing me more and more as I sorted out the initial issues I ran into.
As much as I'd argue that modding a machine at this price point should not be necessary, I love the process and having it all work out to the point of it being the best printer available for my tastes made it worth it.
Prusa's software also adding to this significantly, with PrusaSlicer adhering to my Linux desktop system theme and locale settings, similarly to FreeCAD, which makes working with it easier and more pleasant to use for me.
Printables often doesn't work in Firefox (or at all recently but that was their hosting provider's fault), which I consider a serious negative, but in all other aspects (except forcing 'merican English and time/date formats, I switch between German and English because of this) it makes up for this to such a degree that I use it as my main source for not self-designed models.
And the availability of spares, these often being standard components, has made me a Prusa fan too, even if Bambu does most of the same and my initial experience with the Mini was poor.
6.5 hours on stream this weekend proved this needs to go back, so that is happening.
We wipe with windex between prints on PEI, works well.
Glad it worked out for you in the end, I am hoping it does for me too, but at this time, it is going to be replaced.
yeah I have had mine 2 weeks and I have had a few small things but nothing to this level. I hope you can get a better result w. a replacement. EDIT: on balance I love it, it prints FAST and it prints things my other printers just regularly failed on, even when nothing is broken. The downside is actual troubleshooting is as to be expected a new learning curve since it's not like anything else I have and quite a bit more sophisticated. But I love having it and it's been a phenominal boost to what I do.
I dont mind the challenge, I mind how fast I got proficient at fixing it LOL.
I 100% agree with you I’ve had mine for 3 weeks and I’ve had 6 extruder jams and even more hot end clogs. I have 6 other machines that are not Bambu and way way cheaper to have this many issues. I also agree the ams is dumb that it can’t take rolls. How no one’s made replacement extruders that work is crazy to me but say anything bad about this machine and it’s like I called their kid ugly
the Hydra AMS should solve the issue but I wont void the AMS warranty to find out.
Just wondering how old is your machine? Did you get one of the early models?
its gone, no, I ordered in december 2022. I have a new one now which is problems as well
Best X1 Carbon video ever! I really needed to see the cons.
glad you enjoyed it!
I'm surprised that you didn't mention it can print sixteen colors. What can you compare that to?
For my fan replacement they only require a video of the screen with the serial number displayed and to pan around to the noise. Not a billboard sized sighn.
You are required to shoot a video, so I did.. Was it petty? You bet! But I did what was required and talked about it. I did it large so the main camera would pick it up easily.
As for the 16 colors, I know you can put palletes together and such, but I do have a full color 3d printer should I need actual colors. But that is me being spoiled with fun machinery that I spent waaayyyy too much money on.
9:50 maybe your nozzle was partial clogged or did you checked that? Is this happening only when you using AMS?
multiple nozzles, ams or not, same issue. Less common without the ams, but still prevalent.
Any updates to this? Was your particular unit defective?
You mention that the P1P might have solved some of the issues of the X1C.. but what about the even newer P1S that is said to resolve the issues of the P1P?
2 of the 3 units I worked with were just lemons. A 3rd unit, sent by a fan, that was broken, we repaired live and then subsequently hacked to show the truth of the log files on these machines. They are collecting more data than is reasonable in our opinion and hiding it behind pretty serious encryption.
Since cracking it, it has been working fine, no major issues to report, but we refuse to deal with Bambu for customer service after we caught them blatantly giving us special treatment as we are content creators.
While some may have good experiences and for the average hobbyist, this is all something they will not care about, for the average business, this is a big deal
I’m 17 and I built a v2.4 (LDO kit) and get it working within a week. Great printer and I’m excited to see it on this channel
I am looking forward to it too. Nice work!
There is a PTFE guide you can print which helps the PTFE from the toolhead from turning too sharply which can sometimes be the cause of jams. Might be worth adding in addition to the fixes you are planning
It is already on there, watch the b roll, it is red :)
@@3DMusketeers Right on just wanted to let you know about it if you didn't. I'm not typically actively "watching" youtube so much as it playing in the background so I often miss details like that.
totally understand!
Funnily enough, I had a very similar issue with Jessie filament with my Voron which had a Rapido in it. It was down to a slightly bent heat break, and Jessie is one of the stickier filaments that first started to cause me cold end jams. Other filaments soon followed, but the Jessie stuff got it first.
All our other machines, even ones I do not like, run Jessie no issues. In fact the Prusas seem to prefer it!
@@3DMusketeers Oh my Prusa Mini loves the stuff! And so do my Vorons now I have fitted Revos.
nice!
I have a question:
When you were setting up for prints and running the lidar calibration, was the room you were working in exceptionally bright? Did you have extra lights pointed at the surface during? Also, which build plate were you using?
I've found that if the light level is too high it can mess with the lidar's calibration process which in turn threw everything out of wack.
Just throwing in my experience. Have a good one!
nope, no extra lights.
Wham Bam Pex plate.
@@3DMusketeers ah OK. Ty for the quick answer. Wish you the best of luck!
Absolutely, you as well!
Interned for you when I was 14-15 years old, you helped me in life and I miss you man😁
lol hi there
I am here on April 2024, were most of this issues resolved? I am thinking of buying a X1C soon.
Nope. Had a second one that was just as bad. It's a risk, but if you get a good one it will work. If you get a bad one, it could be an uphill battle to get help.
@@3DMusketeers thank you.
Very interesting but so different to my experience. I just got mine a couple of days ago and did about a dozen prints from included, to downloaded, to modeled and sliced myself in PLA (normal, matt and carbon fiber). I have no experience in 3D printing whatsoever. This is the first printer I've ever owned. I did not have a single failed print. The only problems I've had was prints sticking too well to the bed and me scratching it up trying to remove one and the PLA-CF breaking during windup after a print, so I had to disconnect some tubes and pull it out, which was fairly easy. I also only have been using Bambu filaments, which probably helps with profiles, but as a "I just want to print, not a hobby taking care of them"-person, I am more than happy with my X1C.
My now second machine is going back. It's been historically unreliable with hundreds of failures. It's running about an 18% success rate last I checked.
Gut feeling: hotend not getting warm enough due to a slightly bad thermistor? If the thermistor has a wrong resistance curve, you might always be printing at 20C too low, causing underextrusion, jams, ... I hope there will be a follow-up on what support does for you and how / when / wether they get to the actual root cause ...
4 hotends, fully kitted out all have the same issues seems to be a bit unlikely that it is a thermistor, but I do see how if it was only on one how that could ABSOLUTELY be an issue.
Follow ups will be done for sure, you all can count on that. Hate or not from the community, there is a story to tell here and I plan to make sure it gets heard.
@@3DMusketeers Could also be a fault on the mainboard with the traces or in the cabling between hotend and mainboard influencing the ADC readout that gets translated to temperature. Have you tried heating the hotend to X degrees and then measuring with an IR temp-gun what the actual temperature is? If that indeed is lower than what you asked for, it would at least be proof the (or at least A) problem is there. Of course, that's what support should probably be asking you to do to get to the bottom of the problem. I'm really looking forward to see whether / how support handles this and how long they'll make you wait ... To be continued ...
Certainly many possibilities for sure! Without it being open source I am unable to diagnose and test myself.
The IR method is wonky because of reflections. I should toss a secondary thermocouple in there and see but never have.. maybe we do it on Saturday.
I appreciate the assistance here, because I am truly just stumped.
For someone who has had so many problems you are open minded and still fair.
You need to ask for a replacement not as a influencer but as a customer. Some times you have to be a bit aggressive with support ( not rude mind you Karen ) hope you get it sorted and injoy using it. I been lucky. Hopefully Bambu gets it's QA sorted out.
There is an OVERWHELMING urge to just be pissed about this and show it on camera, but that solves nothing. Being a content creator and that connection being well established I do not want my weight, whatever it may be here, to be used to get me something faster than someone else, it feels unethical to me. As I told the Bambu staff member that reached out on twitter, if you would not be offering a replacement machine to a normal person you better not be offering on to me now. After that I received a shipping number for my replacement parts. So yeah, I really cant ask, because I will not know if it is because of me, or because of the actual issues I am having.
I do hope they get it sorted, there is good potential here, just not so far with me.
@@3DMusketeers As just a random viewer, I felt that I needed to say I respect that in you. I have seen many people try to throw their weight around simply because they have a channel or IG. There are a handful of channels that refuse to do KS 3D projects and reviews because they need more than 24-72 hours to test a machine. Some print for a week to see how it goes or refuse prototypes because they have different parts than viewers will get.
Thank you for helping keep integrity in the 3d community.
Hey, great video! thx! I have four X1C machines with AMS and 2 of them are lemons... Been working with Bambulab for two months but they're still not printing.. Makes me want to pull out my hair - the little that I have left. The other two have been flawless though.
Ask for a replacement?
@@3DMusketeers You’re right, I think it’s time I do that
good luck! if you have similar issues, reference this video. They are aware of it by now.
Any updates on this printer? Were you able yo get it running successfully? Was it replaced? Unfortunately lemons happen, even to the best companies.
it was replaced. Replacement is as bad. Bambu support is completely and utterly worthless.
@@3DMusketeers im guessing they’re implementing a tier based support system where you get script readers through a lot of the initial “troubleshooting”. Seems to be the route a lot of places go to weed out the none technical issues. I find those types of establishments very frustrating to go through as an IT professional myself, its like “yes i un plugged it and turned it off/on, and blah blah blah, skip to the more advanced stuff please!”
I assure you I did not have script readers lol.. But maybe they have them now?
@@3DMusketeers so these people were 3d printer “specialists” that didn’t know anything about their printer? Dang
Thanks for the video!
absolutely!
I bought a cr10 2 years ago it made 2 awesome statues and after that it went bat shit crazy on me i would fix one thing and something else would go wrong with it . I replaced and up graded everything on it and it would fight me back . I went to forums and some people were having issues with theirs too. I was fixing more than creating so i sold it . That machine almost killed my desire for 3d printing so i bought the peopoly phenom resin printer and its been printing heaven smooth 7 days a week for 2 years with no problems and customer service is spot on . I love this machine . I don,t think bambu is going to address your issues but lets hope so ive seen other people on youtube have problems with the bambu also so you are not alone. Pray all goes well with you . Happy creating.............
It's on its way back to Bambu. We will do an unboxing stream when the new one arrives :)
But yeah, those problem machines can just suck the run rightttttttt out of it all
Did you make a bid about the fix on the extruder I’m having the same issue
not really :/
It’s funny, as a newbie to the hobby, the walled garden approach is nice. I can safely run around within it and have less worry of breaking something myself. It’s really a feature to save someone like me from myself
until you need parts that they dont sell or are not in stock
@@3DMusketeers True, 100%. On the flip side, it’s in their best interest to officially incorporate new improvements than other companies might, who know the after market industry can handle it. Could improve QA on those sorts of things
That's the hope.
I bought an X1C maybe a month ago, but it's just for printing random stuff for myself at home. I already had an Ender 5 Pro but it takes so long to print stuff. I haven't printed much on the X1C, mostly just small items, and there has only been a problem once. I don't know why, but it was like the printer decided to over extrude for some odd reason. All sides had wavy patterns on them (it wasn't ringing, there were like 1mm deep gooves on the sides) and blobs and the nozzle started scraping on the infill when it moved around so I had to cancel the print. It's the only time I've used cubic infill, maybe it doesn't like cubic infill. Or maybe I had enabled fuzzy skin by mistake.
There is no reason it would not like cubic, at least that I can think of? Will see if we can come up with something.. Have you tried Cubic since?
@@3DMusketeers No I haven't. I'll try it again next time I print something.
Okay, let me know, curious as it is one of the main ones I use.
@@3DMusketeers Ok printed something with cubic infill, worked perfectly this time. The time it failed I did use some modifiers to make certain areas have solid infill (around some screw holes. Not sure if that could have affected it. Or maybe the printer or slicer just messed up for whatever reason.
interesting, well good to know either way, thanks!
I dunno.. to me it feels like running into a problem and fixing it is a way to get to know your printer better... I've haven't had to replace many parts yet but that's happening bit by bit.. I'm afraid to touch until a part goes then I get stuck in 😅
The bits I've learned from fixing mine helped me fix Beasts in a moment coz It had already happened to me.
Saying that we have been pretty lucky coz the 2 we have don't give us too much hassle ..we do have our fails but sometimes that's human error too.
I hope support helps you out! It would be great to see you a lot happier with your purchase for sure!! Could you imagine 👀👀
While I agree, knowing how to maintain is good, this is excessive. Knowing how to clear jams and such, fine, but not this often. There becomes a limit lol.
I love my X1s and haven’t had problems with them. The one thing I don’t like about Bambu, though, is their support material for PLA is often out of stock and only comes in 0.5kg rolls. I’ve tried to find an equivalent 3rd party material, but haven’t had luck.
Pva would be similar to their support material I believe. Haven't messed with it yet personally though but I want to!
simply use PETG as support material for PLA
If you use PETG as support for PLA, I was told you have to take care to make sure the temperature range of your hot-end is set to something that falls in the acceptable range for both material though? Some PETG can cause clogs otherwise, if the PLA is printing at a temperature that's below the PETG's recommended minimum.
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Sucks your having all these issues.Had mine for 2 weeks now and everything has been perfect.My friend Liam "Astro Printer" had a lemon on a P1p and waiting for a replacement. I bought there textured pei and also read to keep door crack,to avoid getting a clog like on my Big QIDI i Fast where you have to leave the top off for Pla, but a few of my friends,one of which has 3 X1's leaves his door closed all the time with the textured build plate and he had no issues.So for the last few prints I left it closed with no problems.But I understand with all the issues your having leaving the door cracked is best. The big parts fan is loud but not that bad,or my hearing is going. Hopefully they send you another machine that works like mine does.Have a Awesome Day my friend.
The lack of consistency on good or bad is troublesome for me. As they bring on resellers, more machines, etc. if it is not in check, they will end up feeling the burn
I have an x1c that has a success rate of about 50% atm. had to replace the mc fan due to it failing and resulting in prints failing after several hours into it. full xy carriage lock up sadly. fixed it, but it was a fix I had to find and make not support as they still haven't responded to my video's in support ticket.
Start tweeting at them, make a statement. If they won't help you, you have to get louder.. alas..
I have two different brand of printers and they both couldn’t print Jessie pla after halfway through the spool for some reason
weird.. Every machine here that is FDM eats the stuff constantly. Halfway through the spool is an interesting thing.. What machines, now I am curious!
Having second thoughts about getting this machine now great video
thanks
mostly prints great, but if you're new into bambu, I would now recommend to use bambu spools to make sure everything is 100% - and the cold plate / egineering plate .. I went and tested a bunch of different filaments first week into it, and one prusa pc carbon blend works.. but then the other grey pc blend has a wider spool, and something happened and I clogged the extruder - now that's not great, yeah I dissasembled the extruder.. pretty nerw wracking to do it in a week after getting a new printer.. and it did look like you could just pull it back, it might have worked, but the cut and all of that prevented to do a cold pull ..
.. I mean bambu could tell you to just use their spools and filament and be 95% in the right
If I knew what was in their materials I may just use it, but the special blends don't work for my clients. We need to know what's in everything.
I've had my X1C for a week now and it prints non stop during the day , not printed any multi-day multicolour prints yet , but I've never had one problem or had one failed print YET.
I have a filament brand ( 3dqf ) which I've gone through tons of it printing on my CR10s pro without any problems , clogs etc , but just will not work on the e3d hemera without clogging , some filament just don't work on certain machines .
That is not how that works at all. All my filament, any brand, works on every fdm printer I own, except for my Bambu. It just hates everything. We use usa made filament where possible and I have no intention of changing that.
On a related note to the AMS fitting in spools issue. I recently saw someone point an interesting filament dryer. My 3 dryers have their limits (12 hours, 50 degrees). I was interested in that it had 70 degrees. I found out it does 48 hours as well. One thing I mentioned before is that my dryers can't use Jessie filament without it taking up 2 slots. I asked, but I couldn't get an answer. Well I ordered it. It arrived. Out of curiosity I tried the Jessie spool I have. It fits in a single slot perfectly!!! So Jessie is now an option for me. I may be tempted to buy another one. It's quite a bit bigger. It seems like it's better designed than the sovols I have. But the 48 hour timer........that is freaking awesome. Because if I'm printing, I'm drying. It's so annoying to have to reset the timer all the time. And yes, if I forget the quality drops after a couple hours. Then again I'm not sure the sovols are well ventilated. This thing is. I'm wondering if that's why I have so much of an issue. We'll see. I'm very soon going to be printing out of a 4x3 PTFE tube from my MMU rather than the stock 2x4 tube. See if that makes a difference.
nice! Glad Jessie works!
wonder if there is a way to keep it on longer?
@@3DMusketeers I think 48 becomes unlimited. Lol
I feel like you can hack it...
While many are recommending you get a replacement..I think your approach of investigating the issue serves the community best. This happens in the PC builder space frequently. As a potential customer I need to understand if I need to wait for a second generation because over time these ‘lemon’ problems have the potential to occur with anyone over time.
We gave up. Even Bambu was like "yeahhhhh so, you should probably send it back" so, it went back. Arrived Wednesday of last week. Awaiting further instructions.
@@3DMusketeers ah ok…let’s hope it was a dud. While I acknowledge Bambu has made a great one I fear the long term maintenance of a 1st generation product.
I agree. We will see!
Ouch! Sounds like a lemon. Luckily for me, mine had none of the malfunctions, but I totally get your frustration. Bambu Lab should replace your printer.
Here's hoping! I love watching the parts you make on yours, quality stuff!
Walled Garden not a problem for me because everything works so well. My fan went bad too but they sent me a free one. Noise overall is not a problem for me but i can see how it would be for someone else. i didn't get a lemon so haven't wacked my head on the door but i can understand why that would be frustrating. I have been able to print PLA with the door closed and top on, maybe i should try opening the door and see if my quality gets even better? You clearly have something very wrong with your printer lol...I hope you get a good one and learn to love the bambu as i do. i agree that needing to put a ring on cardboard spools is aggravating but the AMS does fit most spool sizes, i have about 10 brands i have tried so far and they all fit.
Try Jessie pla. Doesn't work for me alas.
The walled garden has been an issue as I have to wait for parts to come from them rather than be able to source them easily myself and print replacement parts to fix issues. But I guess I'm used to this with Prusa lol.
Can you tell me which mode is how many mms?
depends on the speed you have it set to in the slicer. Sport is 125% and the max is 166%
I think I may have finally figured out the Horizontal Hole / Oval issue! Still testing but it appears to be a cooling (or rather a lack of cooling) issue. By orienting the part with the horizontal holes facing the auxiliary fan and running the aux fan, the holes are much more round. It does leave some artifacts at the outer wall (when printing with PETG) but it's better than it's ever been before for me. The one remaining issue is that if you have horizontal holes on more than one vertical face (meaning only one face can be oriented towards the aux cooling fan) then you will still have the issue. I have notified Bambu support and am waiting to hear back from them. Almost six months of working on this .....
is that blower on the front of the toolhead working for you? On petg we are only running about 50% on the aux fan but 100% on the toolhead one
Hey, nice video here, the parts i watched. curious.. Have you had any dealings with the FLSUN company ? They have a new offering but I have some objective concerns re: post sale service
I have not unfortunately. Would love to check out the V400
Thanks for doing this video 👍
Absolutely!
Why do you leave the door open for PLA? I didn't read that anywhere in their thin documentation. I've been leaving the door closed. Should it be open?
Bambu told me to leave it open.. but I've found it really doesn't matter.
@@3DMusketeers It's quieter with the door closed, BTW, I do not find mine very noisy.
it is much quieter. Mine is about 7-9x the volume of anything else in the shop other than our Taz 6
@@3DMusketeers What other high speed printer do you like? The Bambu prints nice for how fast it runs.
I care little about speed. I care more about the quality, surface finish, consistency, reliability.
No current high speed printer THAT I OWN, would be quiet enough. The MK4 is said to be very quiet at speed but input shaping is not 100% there yet.
25.11.2023 i received the X1C . At the level of internal print files, it was awesome. However, when i started to insert my own files to the Bambu changed. When i run the print even before the nozzle clean procedure started, the Extruder head started to hit the frame, and the front cover detached. I stoped the print, I've run several calibrations, and I later run another print. The print failed from the beginning, just like some of your prints. When i said something had changed, even the sound of the motors got 2 times louder, and it was looking that they losed synchronization. I was about to raise a ticket when i saw a factory reset option in the menu. Once i ran through the initial process again, it was working perfectly.
You most probably have a lemon. But if you didn't do the reset, i suggest you try it. Great video 😊
It did not help alas :(
@@3DMusketeers i fill sorry for that negative experience. I hope they will exchange your machine!
Any plans to revisit slicers? It would be nice to see a good video on Bambu Studio or Softfever
at some point for sure.
I appreciate the fact that you are honest and unadulterated review of this. I do love the sexiness of this. I would be curious on what they consider a lemon and what is just a minor issue. IF a machine is down more than up...
I MAY be reconsidering the purchase of the XL...despite the cost.
I hope they fix or replace yours...and fix or give a better consistent performance of future Carbons. I love the idea of just pulling out of the box and going to work with it (I know there is more to that...).
For some there really hasn't been more than unbox and print. For me it was a bit different.
@@3DMusketeers Not knowing how many are out there...more that one having similar issues as you are...that is too many. I get that if you built it from the ground up like a Mk3...issues happen. Usually it is the builders fault...I will be generous...70% of the time. The balance would be parts and mechanical/electrical.
It seems that you are trying to plug multiple leaks in the same dam...and wasting time. And your time is money...same for us. And if you are spending more time addressing issues than printing...that is an issue. And if you spend 10 hours on the fixing it or printing "fixes" that never should have been an issue in the first place...never mind the waiting for parts and causing it to be down...is it really worth it?
I do honestly hope they can correct the issues that are plaguing yours and others. I do consider them an option...I just think that they are still in a public beta testing mode.
It is not worth it, not to me. BUT There is a content aspect as to why I continue and an ethics reason for why I wont demand a replacement. Bambu has to offer it I think or it makes me feel like I am using the channel to get something the average person would not.
@@3DMusketeers I get where you are coming from...That is the beautiful thing about being an influencer or TH-cam personality...especially since it came out of your pocket and not theirs. You can be critical...both in a positive and negative manner without recourse. And you are perfectly honest in either direction. Keep up the great work!
I mean that is fair I guess, I still worry though ha ha.
So glad I watched this before I considered buying
Might have to wait until gen 2
Definitely a company to keep your eye on but for now, they have some growing to do.
I'm about to buy one. Thanks for the warnings 🤣
Good luck
I'm new to 3d printing and have a new X1 Carbon. This was very helpful for giving me an idea of the range of things I may have to deal with. Seems like they haven't learned how to transition from kickstarter to production. If a business relies on the customer to identify and fix the business's QC issues, the customer will look elsewhere.
Things like the Hydra AMS are all from consumers which is awesome
I would really like a video on the PolyJet you mentioned. Basics about the printer, what you print on it and why it has been a good or bad investment.
Used they are still around 10-20k, so start there lol. New, they EASILY top 300K. I think MSLA is 80% for 1/100th the price. Nowhere near as easy to remove supports and definitely not as clean, however materials are affordable and maintenance is MUCH easier on MSLA vs polyjet. It is not a BAD printer, it just has it's very specific use case scenarios.
One day we may bring it on the channel, it is just VERY large and heavy. Just the printer alone weighs over 300 pounds.
@@3DMusketeers I would really like to see and hear about that. All the details company's like stratasys don't advertise up front. For example in their FDM machines where you have to replace the whole print head every 1500h for 1k . I never seen that mentioned anywhere in their material.
I was looking at SLS or MJF some time ago. And the MJF guys was just lol. If you want service at all you need a care package (subscription), that is somewhere form 100 to 2k per month. No matter if you print 24/7 or 0h. You first buy a 500k machine then pay subscription for the privilege to use it lol. And it was all shady. The dealer said "don't worry about the price of material and consumables, just print and you will make money. We can also work something out about the care package but we have to meet in person for the care package price".
For desk top SLS you have slicers freely downloadable and you can see time and material needed and you can start to calculate. But MJF you buy a 500k black box and then don't worry about print time and print cost XD
Would really be interested in a deep dive video of what it takes to use, maintain and make money with one of these higher end machines / technology's. Like why one polyjet and not 600 MLSA printers.
The print head is to ensure you dont have issues with tolerances. Companies routinely do this to ensure it just works and when you pay 250K+ for a fortus, it better damn well work. For the prices people charge from those machines too, 1k for a head is fine.
Service contracts are the norm for printers above 10k. It is understood there is a monthly expense to keep it running, and your expectation is that you can run the heck out of it. The subscription is not a guarantee of up time mind you, and if you stop paying your machine still works, you are just on your own for servicing it. On our big CJP machine I did just that and am one of the most qualified users in the US to work on those machines.
I am not sure who you worked with on the MJF but that does seem a bit shady.. I have no experienced that from my local contacts.
MJF is still around 250-300k though, pricing has gone down some, but even a Formlabs Fuse 1, while 1/5 the cost, has a much smaller build envelope, prints slower, and is not going to make parts at the quality the MJF will, that is just coming down to engineering. Mind you, that is not me saying I dislike the Fuse 1, I think it is really nice, but compare it to something from Sinterit or Sintratec and you see why it costs what it costs.
I have 11 MSLA printers (10 different materials and colors with one spare). Only one polyjet. I much prefer the MSLA. Mind you, I cannot get the pricing I can get on Polyjet as the tolerances there are MUCH better. But the polyjet is a pain to service with all the nozzles. MSLA has issues, just buy a new one lol. Amazon is your service contract!
I have done business based videos before but never on the high end machines. I just dont know if it will resonate or come off as boisterous and cocky, you know? There are amazing techs out there, especially when you consider the metals as well!
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@@3DMusketeers Maybe some would take it as bragging IDK, but I also think, that a lot would find it fascinating.
I never came across a series on youtube that would explain the higher end machines in depth. Just 100 different videos on e.g. + and - of the bambu, prusa, voron, ratrig etc. I know 3d printing nerd does some every now and then and others do reporting from booths at different events. But is more of look at how cool this is (its cool don't get me wrong) and almost never, this is what is like using it, the good and the bad.
What bothered me with the MJF subscription the most was I was told ether you pay or you don't get service or spear parts. Maybe I'm just to small/new, but that just does not seams over all good business investment. I would understand if you pay subscription that you would (taking 2d printing as an example) pay for paper and ink, but all the rest would be covered. But form what I understood I would still need to buy the other consumables (lams, rollers etc) its just that they would actually sell it to me. But I could have miss understood them.
My main gripe with all these pro machines is, that most of the time, these extras e.g. fortus tool head/build plate/material price and other expenses are super hidden. But then again, most of these machines are in the, "if you worry about what the tool head/spare parts cost, its not for you" category. :)
That sub count is going off the hook! you'll be at 20k before you know it, so awesome to see the channel grow.
Here's hoping. Up to 19 vids this week (lots of short form)
Hey wait, how did you know what's in my bedside table?
The AMS is kinda disappointing in its design. Yeah, there are work arounds for the spool sizes, but they are just that, time. Making it adjustable would have been better.
just a good guess!
Check this out: www.printables.com/model/392134-hydra-ams-enhanced-bambu-lab-ams/files
I was an early backer but backed out after Uncle Jessey's video and I regrated it. I pulled the trigger less than a month ago since hearing a lot of bugs have been worked out. I got two days of successful play prints until I had my first hardware failure. I did the troubleshooting for bambulab and told them what needed replaced, but they needed to do their job. Took them almost a week for them to come up with the same conclusion I had already given them and took another week to receive the replacement part. I printed for an order in PAHT-CF and the glue holding the magnets in the hotend cover melted causing the cover to fall mid print leading to a failure. 19 hour print, an entire roll of PAHT-CF wasted. I reprinted with success with zip ties holding the cover in place. I have since gotten a replacement but am reluctant to replace it since I primarily print with PA and PC and don't know that I can trust it not falling off again. I've had less than two weeks of successful print time and not happy at all with my decision to purchase this over the MK4. I contacted support for a replacement or a refund and was told I was just past my 14-day return window and that I should try selling it... my first hardware failure took me out of the 14 day return window just because of how slow the support is.
I have since ordered another printer that will be better suited for my needs and the bambu is now just an overflow printer. When it prints it prints beautifully and the AMS just works, the problem is with the support.
That's BS they have been offering me a refund nearly 6 months in.. if they offer a refund then fine you can just rebuy.. sorry you're dealing with the same BS...
@@3DMusketeers I’m sure it’s because you reach a larger audience. It would be in their best interest to keep you and others with a large following happy. Had I ran across this video earlier I may have gone with another prusa. You earned another subscriber
That does not mean I should get priority treatment. Demand they refund you at this point.. they have a 1yr warranty.
I have one filament brand that clog my nozzle right after click start printing. Its fiberlogy easy pla.
It clogged my nozzle 6 times in 30 minutes
On every other printer it works very well but not possible on the x1c.
yeah these machines seem picky for filament
I am sad that I have a stockpile of Filament One, and the spools are too big.
You can likely design and print some special rings, that is what I did with the printed solid spools.
I know this video is 6 months old now, but I just saw it while looking for more info on my X1 Carbon I just bought from my local Micro Center store last week. I can tell you, as soon as I got mine out of the box and set up, the first thing I did was printed off several adapter rings for the Inland filament I'd purchased, since they used cardboard reels. Each of those printed flawlessly, using default settings and Bambu's included starter reel of green PLA. After that, I printed their scraper tool from their internal library and a Julius Caesar bust that doubles as a pen and pencil holder using some "stone" colored Inland PLA. The Caesar bust was my first print failure (spaghetti) at 93% completion, but clearly because it didn't adhere to the cold plate and it moved. The printer did detect the error and warned me. I used the glue stick on the plate and tried again, with success. After that, I printed a Steampunk miniature octupus model using some glittery black PLA. Again, it came out amazing-looking. It was my first model that needed supports though, and the auto-generated ones seemed a little excessive. It took some doing to break and cut all of them away when the model was done. I also experimented printing a vase, using the maximum allowed print size and some watermelon colored glass PLA. It took 8 or 9 hours to complete, but also came out great. I had good luck trying Inland's red PETG filament too, printing off an EV car charger holder to put on my garage wall.
The only oddities I've really come across have been software issues/bugs/failings with Bambu's software. I'm using mine on an Apple iMac Pro and I occasionally import models that it says have X number of errors and advises to "fix" them using the Windows version of the app. I printed a soap dish model successfully despite the claimed errors by simply ignoring them. But a Steampunk rocket ship model I try to load reports those errors and then displays nothing to print whatsoever. I also played around with the settings menu in the software and unchecked everything referring to other makes and models of printers besides my Bambu Labs X1 Carbon (thinking there was no need for it to offer options for devices I didn't own anyway). Ever since then, it's defaulting to displaying my printer is using 0.20 diameter for printing, when I know it was showing 0.40 before that. Maybe that's just me doing something wrong in the program but I don't think so? It won't let me select a drop-down to change it or anything. Will need to investigate further. I tried printing another model now with it still showing the 0.20 diameter and I think it's printing ok but slower than it ever did before.
I am really glad to hear your experiences have been, for the most part, positive. I wish I could say the same.
I had a rough start with mine. But now it’s all peachy, I can print a peach with no issues.
lol
I guess it had to happen. One of the printers that slipped by ALL the QC checks ended up in the hands of a business and video maker. I don't use Facebook but the actual Bambu Lab forum, that I have seen, has not encountered a train wreck printer. I am glad to see you are not publicly demanding a replacement and are going through the steps with Tech Support. I sincerely hope they get you taken care of.
You are not alone on the mother board fan (I was also told to send a video and what not for a voucher for a fan that is not in stock, nor have I received an email telling me when ANY of their out of stocks are back in - IT problem), so I put in a after market fan from Amazon the next day like many others and fixed that issue.
Ringing is another issue that is prevalent and their tech support has pretty much said that it is the nature of FDM printers and left it. The community is looking at our own solution ranging from replacing pulleys to adjusting the accel and speed settings.
My second print was the Christmas Cabin, and some of those parts were brutal (the pre defined infill on the base is probably 25% wavy lines - I don't use anything but cubic) and a testament to the abilities of that printer. A 30mm sq (?) x 150mm tall chimney with no brim and success... I was impressed.
I have only experienced one jam, and I am pretty sure that was of my own doing with an untested filament and my settings, and it had to be on a 12 hour overnight print. Adjusted the temps and the second attempt was flawless.
I am a bad owner and have yet to clean my rails or vacuum out the innards, and I have gone through 10 spools since Dec 20 when I took delivery. Still running strong.
I have had a few failed prints, but they were all my doing with lack of brim or support when I should have known better.
I can't fault them at all on the design of the AMS. While there is no "Industry Standard" for spool sizes, by and large, the majority of 1kg spools (95%?) of them are the same 200mm +/-5mm and other than the cardboard (fixed with simple masking tape along the ring) it works as advertised for me with 8 brands of filament. Catering to a universal spool AMS to handle any spool on the market is just not practical in a business sense. I would hope that in the future they release an AMS that can accommodate the 3kg spools for the production type users. Until then I am OK with using an outside spool holder for those oddball spools that I have.
The chamber fan is another that needs to have an option to set in the slicer to 70% which is the sweet spot for quiet, and I keeping the door cracked open or the lid with a 1/2 spacer is enough to keep the temps down.
The walled garden and proprietary parts - there will be aftermarket support at some point after reverse engineering. At least BL prices are very reasonable as a complete hot end with cooling fan is less than the market standard 6mm and is as you say an easy and fast swap. As far as the printer OS, it kind of has to be a walled garden for it to do what it does. All these little annoyances are the price I am wiling to pay to park my Ender 5 PRO and have my prints done 3x faster even with the Sonic Pad with more reliability/quality.
Bambu Lab has set the bar for everyone, and it's really high. Put an enclosed printer on the market that can match or beat it in speed, quality, features and auto change spools for $1450.
Check out the Hydra AMS on Printables, I am holding out hope for it.
You can change it with custom gcode, the chamber fan. That is what I did as I agree, 70% is good.
I agree the prices are reasonable, however I have dozens of parts for the V6 ecosystem in stock, and up until buying the Bambu, none for it. So it required about
They definitely set a bar as far as features for the price :)
I wouldn't say it's only one that has slipped through. Although this printer in the video probably is the worst one I've seen, other people with problems have usually been able to print suff, just bad surface quality.
I've been searching for videos of people that have problems with Bambulab printers (just to see what I should watch out for). I have an X1C myself, I haven't had any serious problems, one failed print and the bed is more warped than my Ender 5. Not terribly warped, but warped none the less about 0.3mm to 0.4mm lower in the middle. Not good, but not terrible I guess, I've seen people posting pictures of much more warped bambu printer beds, like ridiculously warped. I don't know if they would even replace it, and if they did chances are the new one is just as bad, or worse.
QC and QA, that is what matters
@@3DMusketeers I should retract my first statement, maybe I had blinders on because I am not having problems other than ringing/banding issues that appear to be mechanical design flaw. RE yours not sticking to the bed, seems to be related to the latest firmware update and only on certain machines, which theories suggest a different lot of components that are not playing nice. Some of the users have had success using the SoftFever fork of BL Studio, and doing manual filament calibrations, turning off the auto calibrate and manually adjust your filaments. Changing the flow and PA is solving a lot of them.
Is it right that we have to do this, no, absolutely no. But that is how a community solves problems that mfgs can't or wont fast enough.
I hope all the part's changing from your live stream solved the clogged nozzle - which may also be related to the flows and PA. Might even be a bad line for the calculation of amperage draw = actual nozzle and bed temp. BL tech support is rumored to be working on a patch for affected users, I don't know how they are determining who. I may be having the same problems, but I only use the textured PEI plate and for a lot of people the only fails they get is on the cold plate/smooth plate.
Being a content creator, I have to start by playing within the rules, eventually I will move to SoftFever, and likely do a video about it, but for now I have to stay within the lines to keep the haters from blaming everything else but the machine.
No, the nozzle issues have not been solved.
I really like the bambu products, but here is the issue.
I have tried to contact Bambu Labs from their official website with no luck. The website won't allow me to go past the terms it makes you agree to. I finally was able to send a message just to test how long it would take for Bambu Labs to reply. It is days later now and I still haven't heard anything back. I don't know how anyone could give these people your business. What happens if the product has issue? I am really bummed out. I was excited after watching and reading about this product. I was ready to place an order for an A1 combo, but at this point, I'm glad I didn't 😢. Any suggestions on another printer?
its tough because at the price point, they are roughly untouchable for what they offer, so you will have to make some compromises :/
What printer would you buy if it were your first purchase and you didn't want to make a mistake? I have looked at so many videos and read so many posts. I can wait for other manufacturers to catch up. I would have purchased the A1 if Bambu just replied within a reasonable time frame. I still haven't heard from them.
thats a really tough question too.. I LOVE my prusas, building them is amazing and incredibly educational, but they are not cheap at all.
Sovol has the SV06 (or the plus variant, it is just larger) which is basically a MK3s but made in china (We call them Poverty Prusas in the shop) which is really nice, but without the skill to diagnose and fix print issues you may be left googling..
tldr, it is easier said than done, we are working on classes for this and such
Interesting video as always
I have heard many tings +/-.
Hope Bambulab is getting better in the long run.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂
Here's hoping!
Fair and balanced review, thank you. Perhaps you did get a lemon, perhaps not, but some of the issues you describe sound like it needs an overhaul. Even if only a few people experience it, they sound like the potential to be more down the line. Take the AMS, they are starting to break down because of thin plastic holding up parts. So it is only a matter of time till more users have failures with that system.
It's a lemon. Currently on the way back to Bambu for a swap out.
@@3DMusketeers Well, that is good to know. I now see this video is almost 2 weeks old, but first time seeing your channel and I thought your review was a good one in the mix.
I appreciate it!
My bambu is next to my bedroom and i have all the doors between me and the printer open when i sleep...its noisier than my silent ender 3 but its not the loud and mine is definetly quieter than an original ender 3 lol.
I am sure my shelf attributes to some of the sound for sure. Need to try a concrete block next.
With a little finesse, you can install Noctua fans. But you need to convert from 24 V to 12 V. One of your YT colleagues reduced the noise with 17 dB, that's quite a lot.
The motherboard cooling fan is the broken one and I have noctua for it currently :) But yes, I saw Mandic's video on it too, very cool!
I attached a "ventilation hose" whatever they are called, the sort of things you attach to CNC machines and added a bigger ventilation fan to the end of the hose. Then just made it blow the air out the window. The ventilation fan is 10x quiter and probably pulls 10x more air as well. Might be pulling a bit too much air out of the printer, not sure if it can keep it warm anymore. I need some sort of fan controller for the biger fan. Hopefully I can print ASA with no smell now, haven't tried if it works. Don't need no filters either when the air goes outside.
There are 4 small screw holes (well holes) that you can attach a funnel to the back of the printer.
@@atnfn You might be able to adjust flow, by make a hole in your hose, so it takes in false air. You can print an adjustable cover to the hole, so you can control have much false air it should take in. My old vacuum cleaner worked that way, a sliding cover on the grip.
I have thought about doing this, but like, why should I have to...
@@3DMusketeers I do understand you.
Thank you - I cancelled my order after seeing this. They asked why since it was preparing for shipment so I referenced your video and was able to cancel.
lol nice
I am not sure my experience of this machine is quite different between yours,but I knew what frustrated of these condition like my first printer CR-6SE because frame is not machine correct.
I mean, the price differences are quite a bit away from each other
Im starting a 3D-printing business and I have had also X1C with ams about a month. So far Im happy with it. My goal is to print engineering materials and I think that X1C might be the best option for example for PC (Prusament PC Blend ;) ) I know Ultimaker S5 and couple other more expensive ”professional” printers and I think that X1C outperforms them.
My concern regarding of the X1C is the deviation of the quality. My X1C works well and your does not. So I guess that it is totally random do you get good or bad printer when you buy one.
I hope that Prusa XL will eventually come with guaranteed Prusa quality. Someday, hopefully this year… or next, or 2027…
I dont think Prusament fits in the AMS lol... As a business, the luck of the draw is not something I would bet on. I am hoping for a speedy release of the XL as well. I know I am not the only one!
About 2/3 of the Prusaments spools fits to the AMS. Most do, not all though. The size variety is guite huge with the Prusament spools
noted. Never tried I just didnt think they were going to fit..
I'm so glad my P1s is running like gangbusters but I've only had it three weeks.
Glad it's working well for you.
Pets get pet here. Just came in from playing ball outside, served food and a treat, and finished this video. Maybe a little cuddle time now.
what?
EDIT: wait this was the one I asked for people to give a bit of extra love to their pets didnt I?
My machine has had all sorts of errors with the lidar camera since I bought it. I just hit ignore, and the prints have been pretty solid.
The AMS has been a headache though. I turned to the community on facebook, and everyone keeps telling me that it's my fault, and all the 3rd party filament they throw at it works fine. . After digging deeper, turns out people are modding their spools, and printing spool winders, so the can respool their filament. My spaghetti detection has been pretty impressive though.
I haven't had any spaghetti failures, but there was a few trimmings from the purge that made it onto the bed, and set it off.
So I was impressed that it detected that. I love the printer but hate the ams. I'll probably print the new hydra upgrade.
One of the reasons I got this machine was because I was tired of modding/working on open source machines.
For anyone who got this, thinking they were going to get away from that, it's just more of the same.
And if you have any problems with the ams, the first thing customer support is gonna have you do, is tear it apart.
I honestly didn't feel comfortable having to dig so deep on such an expensive machine, just to troubleshoot the ams.
I've never been able to get all four slots to work properly. Customer support has not been very helpful.
At some point you just put your foot down and tell them to replace it. That is what I did. A new X1CC will be here hopefully friday.
@@3DMusketeers Good luck!!!
You as well!
I've been deciding whether to buy the X1 Carbon for a few weeks now, and just when I'm about to do it and watch the last video beforehand to make sure I'm doing the right thing, I'm back to square one. 😕
lol, dont watch my streams on it then either.....
It is really hit or miss. Either you get a golden unit, or a golden shower. Seems I have gotten the piss both times ha ha!
As a thought, there's lots of Voron builds out there, but fewer RatRig V-Core3s. Love my 400mm build. Another nicety: RatOS installs with pretty much everything you need all at once (Mainsail, Klipper, Moonraker, etc). The three point supports for the heated bed also has some potential for interesting limited multi planar printing experiments.
I agree hard on the walled garden comments for the X1. Would like to see a much more open system, even if they didn't hit Voron or Prusa levels of that.
I have been told the Rat Rig community is MUCH smaller, but I will look into it I guess.
@@3DMusketeers The discord is very active, but the community is smaller overall.
A lot does come down to what you want out of it and what you consider to be the critical mass necessary before a community is "big enough" to support the thing. It also has RatRig itself behind it.
I try to avoid the discords generally because if their documentation is not there then I really do not think I want to be involved. At some point it stops being fun to constantly look things up :/
@@3DMusketeers RatOS and the physical build instructions are themselves up on their respective pages and documented. The discord was meant as a measure of community activity.
noted!
I'll state again I want to see a detailed series of a Voron build, preferably a 2.4r2. I'd REALLY like to get your take on Klipper/Mainsail as a professional and someone with the experience you do.
I knowwwww it's on the docket but it's also a ton of work lol.
I had my heat bed signal cable break within 70 hours of print time. Took 10 days to get it replaced, then 6 hours of time to get the printer running again. It was a free replacement and they gave me $50 for their store, but it was absolute hell to re-level the bed and the support was pretty much useless. I feel like all these Chinese based companies outsource their work to a tech support company.
I just dont think they understand the level of support needed for most or the level at which people would have issues. Their support staff got overwhelmed fast and they have to dig themselves out.
@@3DMusketeers you can tell they're trying, but they are going to have a storm of negative reviews soon
I mean, that is not really my fault lol. Ultimately I warned them about this months ago. I have seen many like them come and go in my days. We stood the test of time because we have the staff to do it
@@3DMusketeers true, it's disappointing at best, their customer service that is.
They are trying their best, but when you are used to the AMAZING support of Prusa, even Amazon feels lackluster these days lol
If defiantly sounds like you got a lemon. I've had mine for about two weeks and I’ve only had a minor issue. Maybe the newer firmware has fixed these issues.
2 lemons.
Sounds like you got the X1 Carbon version of my Artillery Genius Pro - total lemon despite largely positive feedback from others. Likewise with the CS experience lol!
yeah, it happens!
Would like to get your grind on the Flsun V400 delta 3d printer. I have one and so far I am very please with it but like anything else 3d it is not without its own issues. It competes with the Bambu Lab but as I understand it is noticeable faster at 400mm vs 200mm on the Bambu. It also uses Klipper to control it but does not have the sophisticated bed leveling controls or accelerometers. Great video.
If FL Sun wants to send one over I would be happy to look at it but realistically I have no practical use for it here in the shop. Klipper looks amazing and I need to dig into it.
X1: "I can't do it..."
Prusa: (rolls eyes) "Hold my beer".
just wait for the timelapse tomorrow ;)
I would love to see you built and review a Voron 2.4 R2 :)
awesome!
I could follow your critique and I hope you really got a "one off". Because it would suck if this was their standard quality. Also liked that you were still able to talk about some positive features after having such a horrible experience. The only thing I didn't fully agree with was the remark about the spoolholders. I think it's pretty standard that spoolholders can hold a certain diameter / width / size. Even my beloved Prusa machines can't hold certain spools. Other than that, I feel bad for you and your experience and I am glad you at least got your expenses covered. Thanks for the warning and being open and critical.
Prusament does not fit in it, nor does any cardboard spool without an adapter, it is just dumb.
We will see, I will be sending it back and a new one will be on its way soon!
@@3DMusketeers Prusament does fit in it? There is a video on TH-cam for proof because a lot of people were confused about it. The traditional Prusament spools with the honeycomb motive fits the AMS, the "other" filament that a nearby company makes for Prusa (which says: Made FOR Prusa Research, instead of BY) doesn't. So you are 50% correct because we don't know what we would get when ordering from the Prusa site. I've never had anything but the honeycomb and didn't know the other type existed. Still it exists and is annoying if you have those lying around.
They should have just provided those adapters for cardboard spools in my opinion. Like you said, a big problem is plastic and we should promote the use of cardboard spools.
And you are making the right move by sending it back. I hope the replacement is 1000 times better than the one you have now. If not, I think you should make another video about it and warn people.
Oh I had heard, never tested. So I will trust you know better :)
I hope it is better too!
It has been 4 months since this video was uploaded. I am wondering what happened
been doing updates, streams, etc. since. :) 6month update in 2 weeks
I have multiple Prusa machines as well as a Voron 2.4 and my X1 is my favorite printer and has been fantastic so far for me. I have printed many different materials and all have printed very well with default settings. The printer is a bit loud but not that bad, clearly you have a bad fan, the printer is not normally that loud. With all that said, the AMS I got did not work out of the box and the customer service from Bambu is not good IMO. Responses can take days and the responses are about as useful as a glass hammer.
I feel you on the customer service side of things.. That fan is definitely bad (replaced it on a stream). The whole printer is a lemon though and a new one should be here Friday :)
@@3DMusketeers Hey 3DMusketeers! How is your experience with the new printer ?
Fair video IMHO. This reinforces my reluctance to be an early adopter. I'm optimistic BL will sort everything out in due time.
What is due time though? They had at least 8 months to sort this crap out before I purchased.
@@3DMusketeers Within say 30 days from when this video is posted? They seemed to resolve the thermal runaway issue that Nero3D uncovered quickly. Unfortunately a lot of companies these days only become proactive when the issue is made public.
that is called reactive ;) But okay, we will see!
@@3DMusketeers Reactive indeed but about what I expect these days.
Alas....
And hey even with all these problems at least its not a prusa😂 but with all jokes aside i actually recently got this printer and I absosultly love it! i haven't encounter any of these problems so its weird that you would have them
Love my prusas ;)
Wow, intresting to hear all these failures. I have been running this printer for over 400 hours and it has failed only 5 times; and everytime it was bed adheasion solved by using a brim. I'm only using Polylite and Bambu filament. I've been impressed by the performance and hassle free experience compared to my old prusa mk2.5.
My latest Bambu is running about a 70% completion rate, which is much lower than any other machine in the shop. It is still not performing how I expect, especially for all stock settings
@@3DMusketeers stock settings but aftermarket filament? you see where the problem can be=?
What do your TH-cam insights say about videos that start with over 2 minutes of sponsor/Patreon/like/comment/subscribe chatter? Spreading those things out a bit would probably improve retention quite a bit :)
For this specific video, it shows that the retention dips, but is still above what YT considers average. We also have chapters, so people can skip if they want....
We know that we need to get it out soon in the vid because some do not watch the whole thing (which is odd, I always watch the entire vid really..)
@@3DMusketeers I also watched the whole thing :) But got pretty impatient there at the start 🙈
You are welcome to skip through the sponsor stuff, but it is how we afford to make all the videos we do.
@3D Musketeers Yes, of course, I'm not against sponsorships or sponsor spots in videos. It just seems to me like the beginning of the video is where you need content that's gonna grab the audience to keep them watching, and starting with that much stuff that's not part of the topic of the video and presumably what the viewer came for, then it's going to hurt retention.
I'm not a content creator though, so I cannot back this up with any hard data. It's just how I personally feel as a consumer of the content.
Thanks for the video either way, sponsor reads and all ;D
You generally want to get into some sort of CTA (call to action) within the first 30 seconds. That is the understood system when you want to promote something. Because it is my own company, I want it early as we want the name to be known beyond the channel. If that causes some to click off, so be it, they were likely going to do it anyways lol.
We tried in the end for a while, and even tried not at all, the differences were very curious.
I feel similar to you, but my data does not lie. It is stupid, but similar to thumbnails with lots of emotion, it works.. I hate it just as much as the next person lol.
Are you going to do a follow up?
Of course. There was a stream trying to fix it that devolved, so this one is going back. When a new one arrives we will unbox and test live.