An Unbiased Comparison of the Prusa MK3 vs Bambu Lab X1-Carbon
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- I wanted to hate the Bambu X1 Carbon and continue to be a Prusa fanboy. Join me for a discussion on whether that came to pass in this video.
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This information wasn't public at the time of recording but it doesn't make for good reading. Just an FYI, use this info to help make your own judgements on Bambu Lab.
www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/18ktpgv/bambulab_log_file_encryption_has_been/
well, looks like a lot of smoke and no fire
@@theon2k lets see what comes out in the follow up episode specifically on the log file contents and potential negelect of the OSS their software is based on.
@@kentperrier9884 hey kent! I'm particularly interested in the OSS side of things in this story. It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out.
lets hope you get thousands of hours from your bambu
@@georgeyboyhowe1685 Getting close to 1K hours on my X1 no issues so far, need to also understand that the Prusa needs to print 3 to 4K hours to get the same amount of prints.
So the Assembled MK4 with encloser, raspberry pi, and MMU is $1877 for 5 colour printing vs $1449 for the X1C combo and 4 colour printing. So $429 buys you 1 more colour and a pack of gummy bears. Of course you could by the X1C combo, an AMS Hub, and a second AMS for $1846.99 and have 8 colours with $30.01 left over for gummy bears.
An amazing review and comparison. I have an Ender3 that has sat unused for years. I’m getting back into 3D printing as a business and looking for a new printer.
What I hated about the Ender3 was the constant need to level the print surface and the adhesion to the print surface. It sounds to me like the X1C is the way to go.
With the line up of printers Bambu Labs is currently offering (and no doubt will improve upon in the future) I’m wondering if Prusa can still compete in the Prosumer market and if they’ll be able to support for several years the XL I currently have on order.
Bought the new A1 combo over the weekend and its been an absolute dream to print with
Comparing the old MK3 with a new Carbon X1 is no fair comparison. The MK4 vs the Carbon X1 would be more fair. It are completely different printers, which are hard to compare. Need a single colour workhorse for printing PLA or PETG, buy the MK4. Need multicolour for PLA or PETG, buy a Bambu A1, for printing other materials which need a heated chamber, buy the X1 carbon. Of course that's when you limit your choice to Bambu and Prusa. There are loads of other competitive printers on the market.
the Prusa MMU3 does multicolor and it doesn't poop and it's not made by cheap slave workers in China.
Tell us who they are-- the ones comparable to the Bambu Carbon X1.
@@billbyrd9845 Just Google. There are plenty of printers in that price range (and cheaper). Only if you want multi-color The BambooLabs printers do stand out.
I was modding Ender 3’s and playing a bit with resin before I bought a coreXY. I first bought a K1 from Creality and was impressed. Then I bought the X1C. I will always talk highly of what Bambu managed to achieve with this printer. For context I run a business and having a reliable printer is important to my operation especially since I’m doing custom orders as well. The X1C just does what I need it to do. I haven’t had a clog that was caused by hardware rather it was by user error.
This was a great video. I think this was honest and unbiased as you said. You’re a polished speaker, it was very easy to listen and follow along. You have my follow and great job
You just solidified my Purchase of my X1 Carbon Combo. Well done for the comparison. I am not a 3D printer tinkerer who has fun with the upgrading and manual calibrations (Current owner of a Ender 5 Pro that I heavily modified, calibrated and wasted hours trying to dial it in but still couldn't get it to print reliably). Due to work, I don't have the time to tinker and just want to have the fun of printing and having the end product right the first time instead of angry and frustrated at yet another failed print. That is why I spent hours researching and decided on the X1C. This is as turn key/user friendly as you could possibly get and after watching this video feel like I made the best decision of my 3D printing life. Thank you!
Most of the people who own Prusa or Creality don't like 3D printing. They like setting up their printers to do prints they never do. It's the hobby of tuning it only.
If you think the Ender 5 is bad, you should have tried the Tevo Tarantula lmao! I was one of the first people to throw $200 at it back in 2017. It came with only parts and no official instructions to assemble it at all! A complete nightmare and I never got the thing to run correctly. Also at the time 3d printing knowledge was very limited along with applications to make it even harder. I sold it to some kid and his dad as a project and quit until they can develop better technology. Finally finished college and work full time and I don't have time to tinker around with the budget stuff nor do I want to. I just grabbed an Ender 3 V3 KE and it is a solid printer for the money. Big improvement from 5 years ago. I just want to print. I don't care about the tinkering that much.
@@flat_stickproductions209 LMAO! The newer Enders are better for printing. But yea.. they came from that long line of early printers which were crude and you had to tinker with the damn things so much to get them to work then forgot about the printing because it never printed and that was the whole reason you got the printer in the first place. Or so you thought.
For real? comparing an old printer (who has won Printer of the year 4 years in a row, by the way) to the new kid on the block? Hows that even useful?
I think I'm going to have to order an X1 Carbon this week. Great video!
Man, we're in the exact same 3d-printing boat! I pre-ordered the Prusa XL on the day it was announced wanting its 5-tool version. In the amount of time I waited for my preorder to be fulfilled, Bambu Labs completely disrupted the 3d-printing market and released printers that were at least a full generation ahead of what I had pre-ordered.
I wound up cancelling my Prusa XL preorder six months ago and have since spent the money I budgeted for my 5-tool Prusa XL on a Bambu Labs X1C Combo, a Bambu Labs P1S Combo, and a new GPU!
Hey Brian! Prusa just took too long. I'm still rooting for them in the long run though. C'mon you plucky underdog, you can do it!
Hey there, @@ktzsystems!
Is Prusa Research a "plucky underdog" any longer? They claim on their website that they employ ~700 people and ship 9,000+ printers a month. Prusa's a well-established and fairly big company. They sure seem to acting like a big lumbering company struggling to adapt to the disruption of other companies innovations.
Regardless, I'm rooting for Prusa, too! I hope they get out of the rut they're in and be competitive. Competition almost always benefits us consumers!
@@ktzsystems The A1 mini and A1 seemed to have been even more squarely aimed at the Prusa Mini+ and MK4 than the X1 Carbon or P series. Honestly, I would not be surprised if Bambu's next printer undercuts the 5-tool XL, providing a large, enclosed build volume with multiple heads while maintaining compatibility with the AMS.
@@chestergregg8668 Any news when they are announcing their next printer?
I waited for the XL 5 toolhead whilst Son grabbed the Bambu Carbon X1 with AMS. Yes, the Bambu's been here for over a year. Enough time to know it's good and bad points.
It's incredibly wasteful to do multi colour prints. Add to that how often it needs to cut and rewind filament and the time it takes means it's now collecting dust and contemplating being sold. In the warmer weather here often the PLA is a bit soft so it doesn't clean cut it, causing a slight curling/ball. As it retracts it jams in the extruder farcing you to either rebuild it live to try and save the print, or bin it and start again. It's gotten that often that we only print at night in the warmer Months.
The XL arrived a couple of weeks ago (finally). It's awesome and it just works, no fuss or waste. The colour change/toolhead change is rapid compared to the Bambu making multi colour prints much faster on the XL Vs the Bambu. If you don't believe me, download Prusaslicer and slice some identical multicolour models and then compare times to the Bambu.
The Bambu has less than 400 hours and it's now a dust collector.
What software do you to design?
exactly what my feel when I got X1 week ago , before that I'm using ender 3 , and that machine driven me crazy.
btw , recommand you to get bambu 4 to 1 connector or print a Y-spliter from printables for use external spool more easy
It’s interesting so many people calling out Bambu for being Chinese … you know Creality, Sovol, AnyCubic and pretty much every consumer grade 3D printer with exception of Prusa is made by Chinese companies-in China. As for Open Source vs. proprietary there is room for both, much like there’s room for Linux and OS X (which is based on BSD and never contributed their code back). There’s pros and cons to both and I don’t think it’s fair to judge a product based on their open source-ness.
Thank you for this video. I got an AnkerMake M5C (can't remember why I chose that one) but it was my first printer and it has been a joy to use. I am completely new to 3D printing (barely 2 months in) and after watching hundreds of hours of video on this topic I honestly think had I gotten a Creality or Prusa I would have quit a few days in. Not because those printers are bad but because there seems to be two categories of 3D print users, those that tinker with the printers and those that just want to print. I am in the latter category. Sure I have had some minor issue with the M5C but, so far, 100% of the issue have been user (me) and filament related.
I think I came into 3D printing at just the right time. AnkerMake allowed me to "just print" and I think my next printer will either be another AnkerMake or the X1C. As I become more experienced I do plan to eventually start tinkering with Creality, Prusa, and others.
Also thank you for the history lesson through out the video. The more I learn about the past and what everyone who has been doing this for years has gone through I consider myself lucky to have come into this when I did.
30-40 hours to build your first Prusa? I honestly can't believe that.
I bought mine in kit, had it together and printing in about 8/9 hours. That was with breaks to go to the shop and walk the dog.
0.3 layer height, draft. So that is user defined, why would you not just use the defaults for a comparison test?
Re filament purge - is there no way in the slicer software to adjust the amount purge? seems you could cut it by half if settings allow?
Yes, you can adjust the purge volume. But it is an easy step to miss if you do multicolor prints, it really should be automated (or available as an option when you hit print). You can ask it to auto calculate the purge based on the colors you are using, on top of that you can set a multiplier, I usually go between 0.5-0.6 without any color bleed. Bambu has just played it safe. Then you also have the option to purge into the model, but that can be a bit more risky.
I stayed away from 3D printer for a LONG time as it was a tinkering machine 10 years ago - not a tool. Then I bought the Prusa MK3S+ (assembled) two years ago. It has worked great and I have not printed or upgraded the printer. It has printed all types of materials, including TPU without problems or adjustments of any kind. That being said, if I was in the market for a 3D printer, the Lab X1 would be a no-brainer. Love having a 3D printer as a tool. It has saved me from having to change out huge items when a small part breaks (including a sink and toilet), fixed and modified toys for my 4 year old. Made many spacers for little and bigger things. Made a holder for my power-bank to use with my mirror-less camera. The Prusa has made up for the investment cost and more in just two years.
Once we move into our new house, I will be picking one a X1 Carbon (or most likely the updated version in a couple of years)!
I am a bit confused on why you are comparing an MK3S against an X1C. Shouldn’t you compare it against the MK4 instead ? Why did you decided to buy the Bambu instead of the MK4?
Ask yourself, would it even make any difference :D ?
I assume he decided to buy bambu because it's currently better than prusa can ever be.
@@sob515lol this video is a waste of time then. Who cares about comparing an MK3 to a X1C.
does he own the MK4 ?
@sob515 not wrong. Really curious to see Prusas true next gens in a few years. People complaining about him comparing the X1 to a MK3...because thats what he owns. It clearly says in the title...people are cry asses who fight over brands 😂. I have two Prusas and a X1C. All great printers but X1C is the King at the moment.
Thanks for the video Alex, nice to see some impressions based on a good amount of printing hours. I am still on an ancient Mendel 90 / Octoprint setup, and the extra speed and polish does sound tempting - but all the cloud tie-ins make me nervous.
you can switch the printer into LAN mode if that makes you feel better
You're probably right to be nervous... This information wasn't public at the time of recording but it doesn't make for good reading.
www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/18ktpgv/bambulab_log_file_encryption_has_been/
@@ktzsystems that thread has gone bad. Read the new edit on the post
@@simpl3ythere is people commenting that even the LAN mode is insecure
What do you use the ESP32 in the case for on the back of the X1C?
It runs a WLED strip on an esp8266
I'm curious what materials you're printing on the X1C that you can't print on the P1S?
tbh 99% of my printing is PLA and PETG. But the hardened nozzle and enclosure gave me the confidence to try other exotics like some CF filament for some gears and ABS for the first.
ABS stinks. It's awful stuff.
CF is amazing but $$$.
So the reality is, the X1C is overkill and P1S is all I really needed. The magic of the upsell in action!
@@ktzsystems okay yeah, I thought as much. I had to choose between the X1C and the P1S which had newly released. I think the price difference was about $400 and the display and the LIDAR didn't overcome the price, plus I liked the look of the black better. As you know, the P1S balks at nothing and is extremely reliable. I think I made the right call.
@@ktzsystemsyou can buy the hardened nozzle & extruder for the p1s & do all the same materials
Good video but you compare an old Prusa MK3 with the latest flagship from Bambu. You should compare the Prusa XL with the Bambu. Two latest flagships and two Core-XY.
I moved my Creality Ender 5 Pro into the back of my basement before finding out the closest power socket to it is only 2 pin :-| so I haven't used it for a while. However a workmate just took delivery of a Bambu X1, which reminded me of 3D printing a bit, and now this video has made me want an X1 Carbon. It looks like it is way better than what I have.
So this is going to motivate me to finish that project of clearing the back of the basement, finding a way of converting the power (or maybe I'll be lucky and uncover a decent power socket on the wall I didn't clear yet), and then get one of these. I also want an Xtool S1 too. Just imagining a workshop with those two tools would be amazing.
If you're curious on a less polished experience type video I made one of those too...
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If you’re in the US, you are allowed to change your own outlets (at least, you are everywhere I’ve ever lived). It’s an easy and worthwhile skill to learn just because you can swap out outlets whenever you want/need to.
The house I live in now was built in the 60s, so several of our outlets were the 2 prong style. I was concerned when initially investigating because you should NEVER swap a 2 prong outlet for a 3 prong if you can’t ground the 3 prong outlet. It’s a pretty major safety issue to do so. However, at least some older houses (my house had this, at least) actually have grounded metal boxes in the wall, which means that as soon as you screw the outlet into the box, it is grounded. So, when I went around and swapped all the outlets in my house, I was just able to pull out the old ones and wire up the new ones without having to run any new wires or anything. In all the places I’ve lived in the US, you are allowed to swap outlets without needing to hire an electrician or pull a permit, because you aren’t actually changing the circuit significantly. You’re just swapping one component out for another equivalent.
If you have any friends who are electricians, it might be worth asking them if they’d be willing to come help you/teach you how to swap an outlet for a case of beer or something. Swapping an outlet (assuming you have the correct wires in your house) is literally a 2 minute (or less!) job.
@@KaminKevCrew nice one! I guess to begin with, I’ll get an outlet tester to make sure the circuit is off, unscrew it and see if the box is grounded. I’ve seen people also switch 2 prong to GFCI outlets if the box isn’t grounded, but it looks like if it’s grounded thats the way to go.
@@stevemulcahy5014 yeah honestly, the complexity of switching out a two prong for a three is trivial with the aforementioned caveat about grounding. Your house must be somewhat old to have two prong outlets, which means you may have two wire Romex in the wall. Adding a ground wire to the breaker box is not for the faint of heart because of the logistics of it. There are other options, as you mentioned you can put a GFCI outlet on two wires, and honestly that's the way to go if you only have two. It will still trip in an emergency and can still be tested with the button. Good luck my friend, and be safe with your electrical work. Also, make sure your wife isn't mad at you when you're doing the work.
I saw a video of the "improved" sound quality with before update then after update. It frankly was not that much of an improvement. I feel like these machines are a big step forward but yet a step back. For a time, there was a lot of effort spent on making machines quieter as well as faster. Seems like they threw in stuff that works mostly but concentrated on "looking cool". I award them for the user experience, and adapting input shaping. I just feel like when I hear the machines they sound like they will eventually rattle themselves apart in one way or another. I personally think the machines would benefit to added weight within the frame of the machine.
I've got the new A1 recently and it's... quiet. This is more of a fair comparison because it has everything that prusa has and a lot more, for like half the price. I don't have any other bambu printer to compare it in terms of noise but I'd say this new A1 is worth it. And it's a lot more than looking cool, it's a totally different experience.
I would buy an IDEX printer to eliminate the purge poop over the Bambu. But, since I don't really care about multicolors BUT I do care about open source my printers are VORONS as I only buy COREXY printers.
Correction. CoreXY means that the X and Y motors have to work together for the toolhead to move in X or Y, the Z configuration does not matter here. There are CoreXY machines where the bed is static, and the gantry move up and down. That configuration is good for big printers (with big-heavy beds) but add a lot in complexity and cost, so they are not commercially popular.
And a little note on speed. It is a trade-off between material properties-and-noise vs conveniences, as CNC Kitchen has shown. With that said, not all of us needs aircraft level of durability and fast machine can easily be made slower, so well done Bambu; Prusa definitely needed that shot of competition.
Lastly, for ABS printing. If you can smell it, it is bad. ABS fume are dangerous even when you cannot smell it. The Bambu should have a built-in carbon filter, which will need to be switch out every few months of being in open air. Please look into that before trying anymore ABS printing.
CoreXY refers to a specific XY belt path. There are other designs that use two motors simultaneously such as H-bot or T-bot.
isnt the Voron 2.4 the only one with a flying gantry? So far it the only flying gantry ive seen on a targeted at the home/hobbyist setup at least.
The Bambu X1 Carbon comes with a carbon filter out of the box and they provide replacements at £5.99. The suggested replacement time is about 3 months.
Had an ended 3 upgraded a ton, then I got a x1c and I’ll never go back. The walled garden sure is pretty if you’re inside.
Good review. Maybe if more of the existing manufacturers had more focus on producing a product that worked without needing ‘tinkering’ then Bambu Labs wouldn’t be so successful. I’ve replaced by creality printers - two of them - with a single Bambu that just works, no tinkering, and does the job I bought it for
I do think Prusa is just outdone at this point. Their price point is just not competitive now. Modern manufacturing like injection molding and sheet metal fab will always cost a fraction of having to 3D print production parts. They need to go back to the drawing board or they’ll be left behind in short order.
Hopefully they find a way back for the mk5
@@ktzsystems I think they will always have a place amongst the hobbiest who wants to build and have an open source platform but it’s hard to see a world where they take back the market for any turnkey solution. But no doubt Prusa has done more than most others for the hobby.
@@matthewlee8917 Prusa isnt really open source in that sense though. No gerbers, no step files, no bom lists.
The question is: do want to build a 3d printer or do you want to print parts using a 3d printer. If the first question is yes, go for prusa, otherwise buy the bambu machines
Everyone gets to a certain point in their maker career where they have to ask themselves: am I here to print or am I here to mess with printers? I picked up an X1 before the holidays to handle the holiday rush for my Etsy store. At this point it does the work of both my Ender 3 and Ender 5. I find myself only running my older printers if the X1 is busy, or I'm working with an exotic filament that won't work with the AMS.
This guy gets it.
As somebody who owned X1C for 3 months and returned it because of printing quality issues:
- lidar does not work: It was sold as flow calibration, then we were told it does PA which is does not do either. Check the slicer gocde :)
- its input shape is not how an IP works, knowing how the lidar doesn't do thing automatically, you will find prints all over the internet with deep ringing.
It is awesome to have more option on the market, Prusa got way too comfortable, but Bambu printers aren't all flowers like many people make you to believe
Thanks for sharing that. All I hear is "I've had my x1c for X number of months and it's printing fine". What was your experience like dealing with support? And throughout the return process? Did you have to get spare parts?
@@solmanJapansupport is slow like very slow
what are you bots talking about? I've owned my x1c with ams for 1 year. Support was always same day response if not within two hours. And I have seen nothing (outside a voron) that prints with this speed, quality and consistently.
If you look at the slicer code you can literslly see that the pa does work. Its crazy the misinformation in these comments.
I know you like your Bambu X1c over your Prusa... So do I, how ever I suggest you still upgrade your Prusa to a 3.5. even if you don't use it a lot a backup printer is nice to have and the 3.5 makes the Prusa mk3 double the speed with the new xbuddy board.. FYI
Guess what just arrived from Prague yesterday ;) the 3.5 upgrade kit. 😇
I hate the electronic space how companies work obviously a lot of features could be pushed and added to most of the electronics we get but instead companies trickle them down to you version after version so they can sell you a new product instead of making the best product to begin with and then working on making that even better
I just tried out a modern printer (Creality K1) which I sent back because of issues, but right after that I turned on my 4yrs old Elegoo , and I have to say, it's almost impossible to go back from 300m/s to 50m/s, it looks like it's in slow motion. The noise is the compromise, but I'm just telling everyone, once you try a fast printer like a Bambu (doesn't even matter which model) , you won't be going back to your old Ender or Prusa.
I have an Elegoo 3 myself, as well as a K1 (and others). I put a 0.6mm nozzle on the Elegoo, as well as Klipper via a Pi4B.
The stock Neptune hotend is good for about 6mm^3/s, and with the 0.6mm nozzle print times are about 2 to 2.5x longer than the K1, but with better surface quality IMO.
The point is, there are ways to still get decent print times out of an Elegoo 3. It won't ever be as fast as a K1 due to the hotend, but it can still pump out prints at a fairly decent rate.
So when Speed is important to you, Why you Choose the Slow x1c ans not the prusa xl? For singlecolor i can understand but multicolor its slower then a mk3 with mmu3 and lightyears behind a XL
The xl is buggy and costs 4 times the price.
xl benchy 4 colors 2.5hrs. X1c 18hrs 😂😂😂 good Night
@@dkastra26 Now print 10 of them and suddenly the time difference isnt that much. Ita easy to cherry pick stats.
Ita also not taking into account that you could just buy 4 for the price of one prusa xl and have money left over for purge waste.
Why i should? Its for me at Home
@@dkastra26 In that case there is even less of an argument to spend 5 to 6 thousand dollars on a buggy half finished product.
Yeah well commenting on a new advanced unit against another is not such a good idea as to establishing a genuine reveiw. Better if you had gone against a Mk4 with smothing and everything then the resulted reveiw may have been worth considering. Also Wai till you have to deal with Bamboo labs down the track but hey not everyone is an engineer who can see the differences and appreciates the reliability factors with the outrstanding suport Prusa has built a solid foundation of trust on. Just saying.Oh nad by the way I will be purchasing a MK4 Prusa later this year after using my MK3s+ for hundreds of hours since I got it about November last year.
just get the x1c
Prusa used to be the Apple of 3D Printers, Bambu Labs has stolen that crown... sorry Joe.
Stolen and patented.
Prusa was never Apple of 3d printing. To be Apple you have have propriety parts.
I don’t think so. Their philosophy is open source and has always been. You do know that Bambu slicer is based on Prusa Slicer
@@arbjful Bambu is not dedicated to open source and said they will lock down their code and hardware which is against the GPL. Prusa commented about this and Bambu replied that they are not dedicated to open source and don’t have to respect GPL since the they are under China law. You can read all the statements since they are public from both companies. It is typical IP theft that is common in China. I have worked there for over a decade and there IP laws are weak or not enforced and they will give patients based on open source code. This is nothing new.
I see the stolen and patented comment and it makes literally no sense. They have no such patents.
I would check out what coreXY printers actually are. It has nothing to do with the bed moving up and down. You also have coreXZ machines. All it means are that 2 or more motors work in tandem to move the axis. Take a voron 2.4 which has a fixed bed, it is still are a coreXY. But the. We have a ender 5 with a bed moving up and down in z, it is not a coreXY machine 🤷♂️
Cool light fixtures!
Well the thing is that Bamboo has created an "engineered" product, designed for high quality and mass production, and haven't just cobbled together a bunch of off the shelf parts glued together with some 3D printed bits. It's very difficult to compete toe to toe with a bespoke design that uses real mass market manufacturing techniques with what is essentially a prototyping process. The DJI veteran engineers at Bambu have approached this the same way they would approach any other advanced consumer product, and the results speak for themselves.
I'd love to see Prusa compete, but I think we're moving into a new era of 3D printing, where desktop 3D printing has matured to the point that mass market engineering approaches have become viable. These approaches exist for a reason, and it's because it's the most effective way to get to the highest quality, lowest cost, result. I'm not sure Prusa's approach can effectively compete in the consume appliance world that is coming. They may be able to carve out a niche, but I think that's the most they can hope for.
I picked up my Bambu X1C. Here’s all I can say… It’s plug and play. I’ve never printed an item so fast, with such good quality, in so little time. My other two are dinosaurs compared to this.
What about the Mk4 I own both and I really do favor the Mk4 over my x1c
What is it you like about the Prusa more?
@@ktzsystems I want to start out by saying I am in no way, shape or form of fanboy of prusa printers. That being said my Mk4 is a lot quieter than my x1c. That is something you point the x1 is loud. Print quality is a little bit better in my experience. The Bambu labs does have better user experience from the default slicer and app but I’m not a fan of the camera that comes stock in my x1. The input shaping that comes with the prusa is good for no accelerometer. Also the main board does have a port for one so Mabe there will be one in the future. Your video does bring up a lot of good and valid points most of which I agree with. I just didn’t think it was a fair comparison as the mk3 is a few years older than the x1.
My Bambu Labs X1E prints better quality and faster than than my Prusa mk4.
@@ktzsystemsthey can be easily serviced, most parts that is. The MK4 is quite fast and precise, however for me speed is not a priority. The drawbacks…
The Prusa is expensive compared to others, the parts also don’t come cheap, they are also not widely available, which means you need to buy from them directly
I am thinking of a creality ender V3KE as my next purchase, it’s cheap and can do most of the heavy lifting.
Appreciate the comparison and I agree with your points but Apple contributes to a ton of open source projects so that wasn't a great comparison.
What about right to repair though?
Shoot even the p1s don’t have to watch the first layer it’s mind blowing
As someone who has a ml4 and a mini, realistically there's no way for prusa to compete with bambu on level terms. The cost of labour and parts that China offers is so cheap that it cant be replicated at any of the companies that design and manufacture outside of China. If you look at all of the features the x1c has, and try to produce that outside of China, not very many people would buy it because the printer will likely be double the price. I do think prusa needs to change its business model but it's likely not going to be good for us.
Do not get rid of the Prusa just yet :) Bambu X1C is ok-ish , but after almost a year with X1C i just got a MK4 upgrade , never got rid of the MK3S+ as in many cases is better than Bambu. - Flex materials Prusa better , big objects with out warping prusa better, bed surface flatness prusa better. Overhangs Prusa by far better . Speed X1C better , but after upgrade( revo six high flow nozzle) a few months ago the MK3S is on par in terms of speed for the same quality for a lot of projects. Top surface quality Prusa by far better , X1C gets close but have to make it slower and even then is not perfect. The big plate practically unusable on X1C for two reasons - reserved regions and not flat bed . So in short the only great thing is the AMS , the Z calibration , Chamber, and much faster out of the box , both of which MK4 should sort it , apart from that had a lot more issues in terms of quality . But I was very exited when i got it at first in 30 minutes first print. but after 1000 hours not so impressed with X1C compare to the Prusa any more . But for small things with ok quality ready to print yes X1C loaded with 4 colors great. But as soon as i need a bit more accuracy or higher quality or any TPU / flexy material i use the Prusa . In saying that this is upgraded Prusa mk3s+ +revo and very well tunned . Not sure how will behave the Mk4
You just said it. Yours is upgraded with custom parts, bambu labs is for people who want to take it out of the box and start printing. Upgrading the x1 with custom parts May improve it over the prusa again 😅 cant compared modified to stock.
Maybe compare the Bamboo to the Prusa XL.
I don't think he owns the XL. This is his old printer versus his new printer paid for with his own money.
How the hell does it take 10 - 15 hours to build? it's maybe 5 hours tops, it's not difficult at all and the instructions are very clear. But I agree that Prusa are about to have a real shake up in the market. People just want a printer that works no messing about.
Falla stampare per 2 mesi di fila poi ne riparliamo prusa >>>>
MK4 is quite fast actually
It seems like you have never heard of the Dremel 3D45 from 2017.
For home use Bambu for commercial application invoving sensitive data Prusa
Its hilarious to think the little hobbyist dinky duct taped together pruaa would be used for engineering purposes.
Those companies see fff as only one of many 3d printing options.
While I don't think it makes much sense at all to compare these two completely distinct 3D printers, I think it's worth having the conversation about the companies and the industry. Prusa IMO, was a leader in last generation tech, but it has clearly been dethroned (primarily) by Bambu Lab because of the innovation and disruption it has brought to market. The market for DYI/hardware hacking is tiny compared to the mass consumer. Prusa simply cannot compete against Bambu Lab neither in price, nor UX, nor performance without re-inventing itself. The fact that a Prusa un-assembled kit generally costs $200-300 more than a comparable fully assembled and ready to go Bambu or AnkerMake already a loss, then add to that all the auto-tuning, robotics and sensors offered by bambu and it's yet another loss for Prusa. I don't think they are going anywhere, though, I think they'll do well in their open source, hardware hacker niche. But it's undeniable Bambu and AnkerMake ate its lunch.
a benchy on x1c is 17 mins without prep-time.
nice review! your audio level is far too low btw :)
If you're not doing anything "sensitive" you should be fine. I just got my P1S printer a few weeks ago and I do plan on switching to Lan-Only mode over the holidays.
It's not just about whether you do something sensitive or not. A TH-camr found his private parts on the A1 camera footage. He had been checking the progress of some printers in the middle of the night and hadn't covered the camera.
What many people also forget is that data doesn't just flow in one direction. Did you hear about the incident where Bambu Lab printers connected to the cloud suddenly started printing in the middle of the night? The cloud had a malfunction and when it was restarted the servers sent out the jobs that were in the queue, resulting in ruined prints and damaged printers. Now imagine a hacker gaining access to the cloud. Have fun if your printer is connected to the cloud.
I'm aware of those situations, hense the switch to Lan-only mode. You take similar risks when sending your work to places like PCBWay or other prototype maker. You need to trust that supplier. Now, in my case, 3D printing is a hobby, not a business, at most a side thing. So the security issues won't be an issue. You have to decide what risks your are willing to take. If I was to go full print farm I'm not sure I'd even buy off the shelf printers. I'd likely build my own or go with an industrial package. Bambu isn't any different than Google or Apple, or even Tesla. Your data is important to them, whether it's to resell, or to help improve their product. All that to say, you alone have that choice. Pick the machine that best suits your needs and run with it.
Bambu claims they will not pursue any patent infringement against open source communities like voron if they want to copy their homework and that they patent and closed source to just prevent race to the bottom in China.
Will be interesting to see how this holds up in practice over time.
The CNC kitchen interview with the CEO was really good.
That’ll be one of those proof by actions things we’ll have to evaluate in a couple of years.
Open source communities aren't copying bambu lab...it's bambu lab that copied open source communities. They even use voron designs in their patent filings. Their CEO saying they wont pursue legal action against open source communities is hilarious considering bambu copied from them in the 1st place and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on anyways. Bambu CEO even said they used voron as inspiration lmao.
As someone who canceled their early bird price on kickstarter for the bambulab out of fear these videos give me major FOMO. I bought a Prusa based on your recommendation from the self-hosted podcast. With the newly leaked possible spying I’m interested to see how this plays out. If the allegations are confirmed I imagine the best thing to do is block these devices from the internet on a vlan and continue to appreciate their superior print speeds.
But buying the printers still locks the industry into this type of business practices. 🤦 also, you can not update them without putting the units online. It sends an unknown encrypted blob of data to Bambu, probably nothing, but you don’t know because it is encrypted. Also, their terms of service are insane. They have the rights to use any sensor, camera or data on the machine at will. That is posted publicly, but enjoy the speedy awesome prints. 😂
You may praise Bambu for pushing the 3d printing space forward in the short term, but in the long term the damage their patents have the potential to do will likely far outweigh any short term benefits.
You’re not wrong
agreed. All the youtubers praising what will ultimately change their hobby for the worst
What patents. List them. Im serious. People keep saying that because they know nothing. They have very few patents.
Prusa rested on their empire as the only non chinese maker, then did nothing. MK4 isnt nothing, but should have been out 3yrs ago, and the XL looks to be still in its infant stage. If I were Bambu, I would put out an Idex and multi-tool printer and soak up the gravy.
This is the take really
Who would have guessed, open source is hard.
The biggest contribution bambu has given to the community is finally forcing every other company to go prosumer.
I'm choosing the Prusa, not only it the reliability and service a known quantity, but it will also be easier to work on. I have heard from several Bambu reviewers who's machines where swapped out with a new one, this might sound great for convenience, I'd bet that even if you have deleted all your prints you will be returning a bunch of information back to China, which brings us to their App. . .You need to be crazy to send your files through communist China who are rampant technology thieves, say bye bye to your proprietary designs! 👋👋👋
Your visual delivery is too short when you say stuff like "this thing here", my eyes can't look up from dishwashing fast enough 😢
Hopefully me replaying is positive engagement lol
man british english is actually insane. "Washing up liquid" saying that with a straight face instead of soap or dish soap is absurd to me.
"Fairy Liquid" 😂 was more common in the UK as it refers to the main brand
your comparing a six year old 3d printer to a 1 year old core xy printer there is no comparing of these two printer old tech to new tech, buy a prusa xl and then you can compare 3d printers core xy to core xy makes sense.
But here’s the thing. People don’t upgrade their 3d printers every 6 months. So comparing the old and the new is more how real people actually shop.
The mk4 missed the boat and we discuss why in the video.
Well at the rate of new printers coming out every two months the reason would be to sell more hardware, so the hardware of new printers will be very cheap so the company can sell more printers, but a couple of companies eg prusa have not gone cheap parts so yes you wont be buying a 3d printer ever six month thats the reason why people still have the mk3s and are running them.@@ktzsystems
Voron is where it is at, plus you can buy a already put together kit or make your own monster, plus looks fare better
What an unfair comparison. Compare to the MK4 would be much more fair. Even the MK3.5 is two times faster than the MK3. And has the WiFi etc. So adding a RP to the bill is not fair as well. I could continue but all in all the video is imho useless. Sorry.
You are right this is not a fair comparison.
A better comparison would be a Bambu lab A1 that is an open bedslinger with a larger bed size, camera, app integration and a host of other features.
$400 as the base model or $560 with a 4 color AMS system (25 for shipping)
Compared to $800 as parts or $1100 assembled not including $70+ for shipping
Seriously, you can get nearly 3 printers (A1)for the cost of an mk4 assembled and shipped. 🤨
It gets even more drastic if you want multicolor printing.
The A1 was not out when this was made.
@@ktzsystems I'll admit I was giving a bit of a ribbing with my comment. Whether it was the higher end model X1C(1200) midranger p1s(700) or p1p(600) or the a(400), or a1 mini(300) there was quality competition at all price points. With AMS, add another 250 at purchase, it's not even close.
Mk3, MK4 or mini all get beat for price, features, ease of use and that's OK competition is good.
Got called out to not write anything about Bambu in an other YT Chan today. 😂
Bambu set a new standard for 3D printers. Prusa has to be coming up with an affordable core XY printer with mmu.
No, Prusa doesn't actually have to do anything. At least not if they don't want to. People always think that Prusa only has the MK series and the Prusa Mini. But that is not correct.
Prusa is a much larger company and they also have an industrial lineup with the Prusa Pro series which includes Delta printers that can process high temperature materials, resin printers and an automatic print farm.
And for the record. Price always depends on cost, and Prusa has much higher costs because they are a European manufacturer, building everything in Europe with parts sourced from other European companies. A Chinese company like Bambu Lab has of course much lower costs because they can benefit from the Chinese ecosystem. So European companies can never compete with Chinese companies on price. So they have to focus on other factors like support or a longer lifespan for their products.
If they don’t do anything they will go out of business with there 3d printers in a couple years.
@@Todestelzer They will certainly do something, but not necessarily what you expect them to do.
The problem is that people always have the idea that they know exactly what Prusa has to do to survive and everything is always so easy. They just need to bring a core XY printer to the market, they just need to lower the prices...
I think Prusa will focus primarily on industrial customers.
Prusa was always a joke in my town.
To be honest, no matter how good the Bambu Lab printers are, no matter how fast they are, and no matter how good the user experience is, I would never buy a Bambu Lab printer because I can't trust the company.
I watched an interview with the CEO of the company and the interview seemed like a marketing event to me. In the comments below the video, people idolized this guy like cult members idolize their guru. It was all very creepy to me.
They're using extremely aggressive marketing, and the concern is that they're going to do to 3D printing what DJI did to the drone market. Just dominate the market and leaving no room for competition anymore.
And as far as Open Source vs. Closed Source goes, it would be fine if it was just Closed Source, but they filed several patents and called them weapons in a blog post. Not really trustworthy.
To be honest, no matter how good the *Prusa* printers are, no matter how fast they are, and no matter how good the user experience is, I would never buy a *Prusa* printer because I can't trust the company.
I watched an interview with the CEO of the company and the interview seemed like a marketing event to me. In the comments below the video, people idolized this guy like cult members idolize their guru. It was all very creepy to me.
They're using extremely aggressive marketing, and the concern is that they're going to do to 3D printing what *Microsoft* did to the *operating system* market. Just dominate the market and leaving no room for competition anymore.
That fit a little too easily.....😂
Calm down 😄. You are spamming the entire comment section in an attempt to prove an unnecessary point. If you work for Prusa, kindly advise them to up their game or look for a niche market to serve. If not, they will soon become the Nokias and BlackBerrys of the mobile phone industry. We just received our Bambu lab 1Xc, and it's one of the best printers we've had-it prints very fast with a minimal scrap rate. Mind you, we own a Prusa and a Stratasys F450mc. Bambu is changing the game and pushing the boundaries of 3D printing; people can see it, and no amount of comments could change that. It also looks well-built, beautifully packaged, and is very easy to use
@@asgby585 I don't work for Prusa and I don't own a prusa. And in my post I never even once mentioned Prusa. I never said that the Bambu Lab machines are not good. I only said that they are not trustworthy.
And by the way, why don't you read my comments instead of just counting them? Most of them weren't even about Bambu Lab or Prusa. The long thread was about 3D printing vs injection molding for mass production. Had nothing to do with either brand.
Hang on, contrary to popular belief (and Slant 3D nonsense) 3D printing is rapid prototyping and can´t keep up with mass production ...oooh nooo who would have thought xD
Hang on ...it is also more expensive because filament as raw material is already 3-5x more expensive than plastic granulate ...shocker.
Well… Slant3D is is still in business, and growing.
You shouldn't think in absolutes, but always consider which manufacturing method is best for the situation. Otherwise, you end up spending money unnecessarily.
I recently came across a video called "How Additive Manufacturing Can Produce Faster Than Injection Molding!" from the Merit3D channel where they show real world examples where 3D printers were the faster alternative to injection molding.
@@andreas.grundler I agree, 3D printing is not a manufacturing method at all. It´s rapid prototyping which got better to a point where some people manufacture custom pieces on a low volume. Given the right design and right product this can absolutely make sense but those cases are limited.
There is narrow band where 3D printing makes more sense, however this is also the case because people forget how silicone molds are even faster and in between 3D printing and injection molding.
3D printing can never be better or faster than injection molding for high volume production, simply because the raw material already costs 3x as much, it has to because filament needs to be produced in any case before printing, on large volumes this also destroys your pricing to a point where it simply does not make sense.
3D printing is great for prototyping, that´s what it was invented for. And metal SLS is great if you build a rocket or some medical components but 99% all of plastic components are cheaper and easier done via injection molding or a silicone mold.
You can mold 1000 small figurines in a a day via a silicone mold and the best part, they are all equal quality wise and the material is better.
@@sierraecho884 Maybe you should watch the video. You would be suprised about the volume of the production in the shown examples. In one example they printed over 60000 parts in one day.
@@andreas.grundler I know the volumes, it´s not hard to find that out, I do own a 3D printer and I design automotive parts which are produced by the millions. We also have a whole bunch of printers at my company from 250k down to 1k. I am aware thank you.
I am not saying it is not possible, it just does not make sense in most cases financially wise or Quality wise or timing wise. I mean how long do they need for those parts ? What´s the cost of raw material ? What´s the Quality ?
Prusa is now practically a dead company. There has been no innovation in their printers for a decade or more. They sell exactly the same thing over and over again, so they have been left behind by the competition. Why would you even consider buying an obsolete bed slinger in 2024 lol ?
I just bought Neptune 4 Pro for $250 with Easter Holidays discount code. I wanted the P1P but was 3 times the price.
Bambu labs customer service is useless.
It's unfortunate and disappointing to see someone who is usually such a supporter of free and open source software and design come out and support so strongly what is a company that is effectively anathema to that whole ideology. Arguably, one of the huge unearned benefits Bambu Labs have garnered is using Prusa Slicer without having to pay for it, and they in fact, only grudgingly returned back their modifications after months of being publicly called out. And that's just one among other questionable practices. While that's a risk that comes along with Open Source software and hardware, we as consumers who are aware of these things, need to speak with our wallets, instead of running off after the newest shiny thing without considering the implications. The whole Bambu labs line of products and company deserve to be judged much more harshly for these transgressions than most of TH-cam is holding them accountable for.
You’re not wrong. And it does pain me to admit it but the bambu is just a better product at the price for now.
I really do hope prusa can make a really good mk5. I’d buy it again in a heartbeat.
Someone sounds sour because someone used pieces of open source to make a product. Cry harder lol. If Prusa didn’t want that to happen, they wouldn’t be open source. Just like Elon musk released his patents to public use, open source does the same so things can innovate faster. 🤷♂️
Yes that’s disappointing indeed.
@@ktzsystems it doesnt show that it pains you or any other youtuber
The better product at a lower cost is due to CCP funding to flood the market, utilizing others R&D and locking down new improvements to 3d printing under patents. But great printer for the money…(poking eyes out). Just say you really only support open source when it is a benefit to you, like with cheap I3 clones. It’s not a hill to die on, just shill like the others , Bambu is dumping money, go collect some, and the printer market will look like the drone market, DJI with 80% of the market because it drown out the competition with CCP subsidy. 😂 The 3d open source community is a joke and all people really care about is best bang for their buck no matter where the savings comes from.
Prusa is dead. Definitely not enough geeky fan boys to keep them alive. Too bad they didn't innovate to the degree Bambu has.
The only thing Bambu has innovative was the ams. Everything else is taken from open source projects.
@@Newmeishu that might be granted, but no one else has been able to package it all into a seamless, reliable product (s), at such a rapid industry disturbing rate.
wait and see boy
th-cam.com/video/rdnuLvBx66I/w-d-xo.html sir, please learn something about 3d printers before doing reviews and spreading totally wrong informations about the topic.