my ideal setup is that they add as much extras as possible and we have some "choose your own adventure" thing where you pick what happens next when there's multiple scenes etc
@@worldofazeroth Uff, that would be the perfect movie/game. Just start with each character and you put some stats in it. For example, if you put more charisma in legolas than the other stats, he in the movie will do things different like talking friendly with other humans (he never talked with other humans in a friendly way). Or if you put more strg to Sam, he will be able to climb faster the stairs and helps Frodo fight Shelob directly or see him get stung by her. Imagine Pippin with more intelligence and the ramnification of that!!! That would be amazing 😀
We currently live in an era where people binge watch entire seasons of tv shows on the weekends, so I think the world is ready for a 6 hour long Return of the King
12:50 the whole cannot yet take physical form thing was added after they decided to cut sauron's physical form, in the books he has a physical form, and that was the original idea
As far as I know his physical form only took a lot of time to recover due to loosing the One Ring. At the time of the battle he would have already been able to have a physical form, but it would have been very weak without the ring. Of course the question remains why he wouldn’t take physical form, but if you think about it, he didn’t need to. His armies were strong enough to crush the army of men. In the battle of the last alliance he took physical form to try and win the battle, he was already loosing. It was kind of an act of desperation
@@RKroesehmm you mighta just convinced me to read the books lol😂 not much of a book guy but i love hearing lore from the books all the time on videos, which is the extent of my knowledge past the movies lol
Sauron was perfectly capable of walking around in physical form. You even see Sauron in his physical form in Return of the King during the Palantiri scene with Aragorn.
No. He wasn’t. His physical form literally exploded. Did you not watch the movie? His dismembered head clanged to the ground and everything. It doesn’t matter what the books did. In the movies, his physical form being destroyed was established. The only form he took in the movies was The Eye, and for him to just step onto the battlefield like that would undermine everything the movies had built up to that point. The Palantir scene was simply Aragorn seeing into Sauron’s mind, and of course in his own mind his perception of himself would be the way he used to look when he had form.
7:19 that is not an illustration of the Witch King, That is the dark lord Morgoth and next to him is the great spider Ungoliant. But this is a good video none the less.
Yeah, I think the video editor did not read the book, neither the Silmarilion nor Tolkien's letters as he also mention he does not know how it was possible that Sauron had physical form in the battle at the black gates, as he indeed had one. Movie lore wise, it makes a little sense since Jackson defined Sauron as simple an ethereal form, but if we consider Tolkien's view, Sauron had all the power to fight in full armor while observing Mount Doom.
I remember seeing so many of these scenes in the return of the king video game. I was so confused as a kid where all these scenes and dialogues came from. They kept the Whitch kings initial design in the video game for example.
As a kid I didn't even know anything about all this either and I remember being confused as hell. The Witch King not appearing at all in cutscenes, then randomly appearing on his fellbeast, getting shot down so easily and then he had that design lmao. Have to admit tho, silly little kid-me thought the developers did an oopsie there and just recycled a Sauron model. Missclicked the wrong model ahah. I really like how it looks so similar to Sauron though, but it lacks the Iron Crown
@bighatastrea funnily enough for the movies, they changed the original witch king designs because he looked so similar to Sauron. PJ mentions it in the bts for RotK. The mouth of Sauron was another one. Had no idea who the guy was
I had the same problem then after watching the extended edition it made more sense except that there were still scenes missing for example "we will see the shire again"
I would love to see each of the films re-released at about six hours each, two more hours of movie than the extended version. Hell, make each one ten hours long, I'd still watch them over and over again!
08:00 About the Easterlings, you do in fact see Easterlings in that first clash of troops after the trolls did their thing. After the gate fell and the flood of troops come in, you see Easterlings among the orcs. A fair few, actually.
We had once an employee, 30, who had an elven haircut too, though without those rings on the back of his head. He had little hair though... I will probably never forget that guy. XD
It always seemed strange to me that the Easterlings were cut from the battle of the Pelennor fields. Supposedly they were the first to storm Minas Tirith after the trolls broke in, and it would have been a big payoff after their scene in the previous film.
Yo can see them in the initial charge into the city, when Mordor's forces first clash with the gondorian soldiers. But they're extras in the background, mixed with the orcs. Real shame we don't see more of them, especially cause I love their designs lol
fun fact: the line about sarumaun revealing he made grima poison theodred actually made it into the gba version of ROTK, so I was aware for many years that such a scene of this existed.
To make it even funnier is that in Tolkien works in the Unfinished Tales there is a hint of possibility of Grima indeed working with poisons: "his malady may thus have been caused by natural causes, though the Rohirrim commonly lived till near or beyond their eightieth year. But it well may have been induced or increased by subtle poisons, administered by Grima." Tolkien of course also mentions Grima's manipulation as the metaphorical poison and the possible 'spells' of Saruman: "Theoden. He is called Theoden Ednew in the lore of Rohan, for he fell into a decline under the spells of Saruman, but was healed by Gandalf..." ... " And ever Wormtongue's whispering was in your ears, poisoning your thought, chilling your heart, weakening your limbs, while others watched and could do nothing, for your will was in his keeping."
@@Makkaru112 it's a joke. The original one is about Dumbledore in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire". "Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" - Dumbledore asked calmly. That is how it was in the book. But in the movie he cried it in pure anger, which had no sense.
@@nastjafisunova7258 Book: Harry, my boy, did you put your name into the goblit of fire? :) Movie: HaRry yOu s0n of Bltch DID YOU PUT YOUR FUCKING NAMEEEEEE?
As other commenters mentioned, Sauron was perfectly capable of manifesting a physical form. He did that as the necromancer when the White Council banished him, and he did so again in the books. It's just that without the ring, he can't seem to keep the form for long
in the cinematic version they arrive exactly like in this video is said, and Gandalf helps them escape. It is only the extended edition, where they changed the order of what happens and Gandalf and Pippin are already in Minas Tirith. :/ The thrid movie has some of those cuts in scenes which make the extended edition feeling a bit off, sadly
The thing with Saruman revealing the truth of Théodred's death and Gríma said "You made me do it!" is a reference to the Scouring of the Shire chapter where Saruman reveals that Wormtounge killed Lotho (The Boss) and hints that since he was starving that he ate the corpse. Gríma said to the wizard "You made me do it!" which is the reason the hobbit archers fire at him after he slit Saruman's throat.
@aurorasdawn4681 If memory serves right, Lotho was just a puppet for Saruman to control The Shire with. Since he and Gríma left Isengard to go to Hobbiton, Lotho was no more use to him and disposed of him to have direct control over The Shire.
@@aurorasdawn4681 Lotho imagined that he was in charge. He wouldn't have been happy to follow Saruman's orders, especially when they were purely out of spite to destroy the Shire, when Lotho wanted to rule over it. It was inevitable that Lotho had to go once Saruman took control in person.
Peter Jackson’s look for his cameo in RotK always makes me think of how he could’ve been a member of so many of the emo/hardcore bands from the mid-2000s.
Always wondered WHY they shot Gandalf riding out to help the Osgiliath retreat - with Pippin on the horse. Why would he think "I must ride out to challenge these supernatural wraiths, I have my horse, my staff, and my sword, now where's my hobbit? Oh there he is... Good to go!" Finally makes sense now that it was just cut in the wrong order and they couldn't remove him.
I guess I'm one of the few who actually would have liked to see Sauron appear as Annatar in the final battle. Why? It would connect back to the prologue, raise the stakes, and create a badass battle between him and Aragorn. It would have provided a direct confrontation with evil, thus enhancing the presence of the antagonist. It would also have strengthened the character arc for Aragorn and serve as a culminating moment for the king-to-be. The troll he ended up fighting was just goofy and didn't have the dramatic effect that seeing Annatar would have had.
Could've been cool, would have been a lesser version of the final edit though. No need for more badass fights right after Pelennor Fields. Sometimes less is more.
Yeah the troll was lame. Better to have fought sauron or at least another one of the nazgul kamul was 2nd after all or one that use to be a numenor in the past have some words and some light fight and when ring is distroyed they fade into the
Honestly, I like Peter Jackson's justification for it. The heroism of the entire Black Gate battle was not supposed to be another "Good vs. Evil" or "Hero vs. Villain" theme, but rather an acceptance of death in the hopes that Frodo was actually still alive and that their deaths would be worth it. The heroism of Aragorn is just his presence, while Frodo and Sam were supposed to be the ones having the "Hero vs. Villain" theme (them vs. the ring/Gollum). I think including any other villain figure would have detracted from the what the black gate fight was supposed to represent. Although, I will say the troll was a bit goofy :/ especially when he is seemingly the only troll in the entire battle lol
Won me over with this one. I remember in theaters (and for the past 20+ years) wondering why Aragorn had a defeated look in his face while fighting the troll. Sauron would have made sense. Cheers from Buffalo, New York.
As a extended version of the film, Aragorn's character development (the title is about him, after all) would have been full if he actually tried everything to save Faramir. He couldn't save Boromir, but he would give every last resort for his little brother, and succeed. That would have made him even more worthy.
we won't see any movie like these anymore, that was a sort of a miracle, every memeber of the crew and the cast put passion and effort at maximum level for this project
Sauron is in physical form, both in the books and the movies. Hes just chillin in his throne room in Barad-dûr. We even see him in Return of the King when Aragorn tricks Sauron into thinking that he has the ring
While I really love that, for movie onlies it still looks like he's some sort of physical eye-thingy trapped on the tower and he needs the ring to get his physical form and power back. Imo that was a little fail in the visual storytelling, other adaptions did a better job with making Sauron look like an entity. Iirc the Palantir scene with Aragorn was in the Extended Edition only and it kinda looked like a reused scene from the first movie where he stands in the crack of doom, so I never thought this particular scene showed the real Sauron chilling in his armored form in Mordor lmao
@@bighatastrea My head-canon is that the eye on Barad-dûr is a manifestation of a spell that Sauron uses to watch what's outside his tower while remaining safe inside. Then when the ring is destroyed, Sauron's spell fails.
I wanted to say thank you for posting this amazing videos on the deleted scenes! The most informative and complete explanation of them by far! God bless❤️
We need the super extended cut of LOR. Want to all the scenes eliminated, cut, and possibly his reason for removing or option to see alternative scenes. So awesome! This was such a masterpiece. I am watching the tv series out of hunger for more Peter Jackson LOR. It’s pretty sad really 😂
It’s already mentioned but just throwing it down here again, Sauron had physical form in the books by this point in the story, so it doesn’t break any lore to have had him show up for a climactic battle. They just decided it wouldn’t feel right and they were probably correct on that.
I always miss a redemption scene for Denethor. Like they discover his palantir and understand that he was always under sauron influence. Whitout that contex its just and odd character, but he was in a magick war with Sauron itself. Heck Saruman gave up with the same tool and Denethor dont. Sure, he go crazy and emo about it but didnt gave up the city and you know Sauron was tryin too. That post death discovery would have deepened the character and redeemed it.
Lord of the Rings helped me so much as a young boy. Got me through some hard and lonely times and always gave me a feeling of love and comfort. Would absolutely love to watch more unseen scenes, or if they ever come out with an anniversary edition, I hope each movie is 1300 hours 😂
Even though I am fine as it is in the movie, I personally would enjoy seeing Aragorn fighting Sauron. It would give me the hero vs the ultimate villain climax. But the troll version is fine.
13:35 Gimli and Legolas NOT visiting those locations together would have been a hue missed opportunity anyways. I mean, that is literally what they do in the books, since their bond has become so strong that they want to keep traveling with their best friend and experience more of each other's culture.
It feels very exciting knowing this and going back to the proper Middle Earth with Surkis Directing and Jackson Executive Producing The Hunt for Gollum along with this 25th anniversary edition, take that Amazon...
The Witch-King is shown with his original design in the PS2 ROTK videogame! i always wondered why he looked so different when everything else was very accurate to the movies.
Sauron in the books was able to take physical form. Gollum actually SAW Sauron and his missing finger which Isildul cut from his hand. So theoretically, Sauron could've fought Aragorn and it would've worked
If anyone has ever played the PS2 Return of the King video game, you may have noticed that the game used the old design of the Witch King shown in this video.
Yes, I would love to see videos like this on the Hobbit films too. I do have a hard time picturing what they may have left out of those considering how stretched out they made the story anyway, but I'd still love to see. Maybe we could get longer cuts of those someday too? I sorta do like how the LOTR blu rays split nicely onto 2 discs a piece, makes rewatching a bit less cumbersome. I'd think if they stretched out the Hobbit films a bit more, they would need 2 discs a piece. And then LOTR 3 disc movies?
Glad they left out Sauron’s physical form too. Didn’t Galadriel curse him on weathertopp, “you are faceless, formless, nameless..go back to the void from whence you came.” To me, leaving his true form unseen preserved a special vail of mystery that I’ve come to appreciate when watching, years later
12:15 You say that Sauron "shouldn't be able to do that" in regards to him appearing in his physical form. You are misinformed my friend. In the books Sauron is not just some great burning eye, but instead has reformed an actual body. Sauron had lost the ability to be a shapeshifter and to take on a fair appearance, but not the ability to actually form a body. P.S. (edit) If you are only referring to the movies, then you should explicitly say so.
Technically Sauron could take different shapes, just not a fair form. And after the battle of the Last Alliance, he permanently lost the finger he had the ring on after Isildur cut it off.
About Sauron: ..."also a version of him physically appearing in his full armor which makes even less sense"... Well actually, the Annatar version would be near impossible as Sauron lost his ability to change to his fair form after the fall of Númenor. However, he is very much in his fallen physical form during the time of LOTR. Gollum for example saw his hand and the missing finger. The eye is a metaphor in the books; well, let's say, it is one of the less successful solutions in PJ's version (I like the movies though, but still).
4:48 If I were to take a guess, they could've changed it because it would be a bit too convenient for Gandalf to arrive at the perfect time. To be honest, a bit like the ghost army during the siege of Minas Tirith for me. I never liked how the ghost army was literally invincible being able to walk on water and such, especially in the theatrical version.
We need the "Unrated Ultimate" Trilogy! Complete with extended scenes, unedited battle scenes (Arwen Cut of the Battle of Helm's Deep, Sauron Cut of the Battle at the Black Gates), the Fatty Bulger scenes from the shire, the Scouring of the Shire plus any other scenes that would add to the movies.
A fair chunk of the missing dialogue was in the RotK video game. Interesting to see it was made for film and reused, I always thought they got the cast in just for the game.
I think what they need to do it release an extended-extended edition, with many of the deleted scenes, but it would perhaps need to be like six movies; Fellowship Parts 1 and 2, Two Towers 1 and 2, and Return of the King 1 and 2, in order to cram all of it into the movies. Sure, it may not sell as well, but this should be for the die-hard fans of the movies and books. One scene I would love to see, if they even filmed it, would be a full scene of Merry and Pippin meeting Gandalf the White, because I would love to see Pippin's face when he sees him and likely running up to hug him, because he probably felt so ashamed of himself after Gandalf apparently died, having accidently alerted the goblins to their presence, which then drew the balrog's attention. Another thing I would love to see, though it would very unlikely to have even been thought of, maybe, and I don't think it was even ever mentioned in the book, but it would be for Legolas to tell Gimli the significance of Galadriel giving him the three strands of hair, and then the scene ends with Gimli looking at the hairs in his palm (likely never shown, probably just seeing the back of his hand, as filming strands of hair would be difficult) and he has a bewildered and honored expression. I think it would also be interesting to have at least a quick scene, likely after Gandalf has Pippin light the beacon, where we see Denethor looking at the beacon from the window, we then see him entering a chamber, looking around first before opening the door, revealing a dark room, but in the darkness we can see the light barely revealing a pedestal in the middle, with some sort of orb sitting on top, but he enters and closes the door before we can get a good look at it, and then during the scene where Denethor is running out of the crypts while on fire, the camera focuses on an orb falling out of his robes, hitting the stone floor and shattering, and then maybe a quick shot of Gandalf reacting to it, likely surprised but then realizing the truth, maybe whispering "a palantir".
If they can’t even fit Elrond’s twin sons where they belong and give Éomer even more of his time to shine like in the books or inclusion of the Druedain then what’s the point?
It’d have to be braids. As that was the Victorian custom all the up to recent days before men went off to war etc. thin elven hair doesn’t exist. Plus they string their bows with their hair. And if they can’t make the gift of het hair glow with the ancient power of the two trees of Valinor then… the fact Sam wasn’t with Frodo in Lothlorien mirror scene was a bit weird since he was there in the books and he had a scene together with her. And it couldn’t skip out her song during the feast on the water scene had a moment between Aragorn and Frodo which showed yet again Frodo’s understanding of elvish and gleaned more into who she is as a character. It was yet again another blessing for Frodo and a giving up her spot on the last ship
The cut scene with King Elessar being armored is perfect...the two men doing so by look of it are a Man of Rohan and a Guard of the Tower...perfect that the King of the Reunited Kingdom would be dressed by Men from both Rohan and Gondor...since for brevity the films omit the few remnants of Arnor.
They should just turn all these extra scenes into a full mini series like 7-10 episodes 1hr per episode. Would be awesome to see all these extra scenes
In the "making of" documentaries they talk about the original introduction, where Galadriel talks about the making of the rings, being changed. Do you have that footage?
If you're talking about the original prologue, where Gandalf narrated it, then yes! We have two different potential audio files of that, as well as some rare images of the nine men given rings. We are currently working on a new edition of "The Fellowship of the Ring: Unreleased & Deleted Scenes," which we are planning to release pretty soon.
sauron existed in his physical form the entire time. him being a shapeshifter, it makes a lot of sense having him (or part of him) being an eye up there on barad dur while also manifesting his body at the black gate. in the end, it's the 'eye OF sauron', not 'the eye sauron'. i so hope for a day to come with bodily sauron fighting aragorn at the BG instead of the troll. or maybe both alternating? the troll could have taken over after ringless/weaker sauron got stabbed by Aragorn and then the ring gts destroyed.
Sauron did take physical in the books. The goal was not to disable Sauron form taking physical form, but stop him from obtaining his full strength. You could remove or alter the scene where this is state to just say that he could not recover his full strength without the ring.
One thing that Billy Boyd mentions in the commentary is that after Gandalf knocks Denethor off the pyre and Pippin saves Faramir, right after Denethor goes for him and saying "Noooo! You'll not take my son away from me!" there was suppoused to be a bit of fighting between Denethor and Pippin with him punching the deranged stewart but Fran Walsh and Philipha Boyens didn't thought it was a such good idea of Pippin doing that sort of violence toward a non-orc. Me, I disagree because we hate Denethor, especially at this point and deserves a beating or two before Shadowfax kicks him on the pyre and burn into cinder.
@TheMinecraftHype Think it's different with Gandalf, who basically takes over from a crazy steward who more or less surrender. After all, he is Maia and a wizard and he has a job to do, to help Middle-Earth against Sauron.
@@mevb Gandalf also preaches about not striking unless to defend yourself. And his role is to council and guide, not forcibly usurp leadership. It's pretty out of character.
When Gandalf said goodbye to the hobbits he was hardly looking at Pippin, although they had been going through so much together in the last film. I really hoped that at the extended version their conversation would be included. But sadly it wasn’t. That was a big disappointment for me.
In the movie canon Sauron IS a flaming eye, thought it wasn’t the initial plan, you can clearly see this in Return of the King. Hobbit movies also fully went with that idea, with Sauron’s spirit residing inside the flaming eye (like an eyeball), he has no physical form whatsoever. Only astral form through his magic. Hell, even Middle-Earth Shadow of War bluntly states that Sauron is inside the flaming eye and cant take even astral form anymore due to him being stuck in a constant battle with Celebrimbor’s spirit. Which is makes sense in movie canon, hence we never see Sauron outside of the eye. And I think this is for the best, there are no real stakes if Sauron already has a physical body and even able to fight or walk around. The whole point of him getting the ring back is being able to physically be alive again with all his power.
I would be interested in scenes that were cut from the Hobbit movies too. It was far too long already, but there are still things that I would loved to dwell on or to see explored. 😊
Another interesting cut scene is Denethor with the palantir, I’ve only seen a photo of that scene so I don’t know if it’s true. The inclusion of him using the palantir is more book accurate and makes more sense of his behavior during the movies (including his appearance in the two towers in a flashback)
The most interesting one for me is Gamlings death that was filmed and cut. If you look when Eomer throws his spear at the Mumakil he looks very angry at something before he the throws the spear I’ve often wondered if that’s his reaction to the death
Wow, looks like we dodged so many bullets! Sauron had a physical form, but we weren't given that impression in the movie so that scene would definitely have been confusing. At the same time as the scenes that belonged on the cutting room floor, there are so many scenes in here I would pay good money to have/watch! it's official, we need the super extended R rated cuts, I want to see all of the lore accurate dialoge and all the hack and slash for the greatest onscreen battles even if I have to get up for second bathroom break!
For the alternate opening, I believe it likely would have been for the palantir scene as the confrontation with Saruman was intended to be the end of Two Towers. Remnants of Gandalf and Pippin’s arrival at Minas Tirith exist in the scene where Faramir and the other riders from Osgiliath are attacked as the geography doesn’t quite make sense seeing how Gandalf doesn’t come directly from the city, also why would Gandalf bring Pippin out to it too
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We NEED the Ultimate Edition of the trilogy! Make them as long as possible!
I second this
Agreed!
yep
They should make the movies verbatim.
make it one movie!
Wish they would release an extended, extended edition.
my ideal setup is that they add as much extras as possible and we have some "choose your own adventure" thing where you pick what happens next when there's multiple scenes etc
With no Rating!
@@worldofazeroth Uff, that would be the perfect movie/game. Just start with each character and you put some stats in it. For example, if you put more charisma in legolas than the other stats, he in the movie will do things different like talking friendly with other humans (he never talked with other humans in a friendly way). Or if you put more strg to Sam, he will be able to climb faster the stairs and helps Frodo fight Shelob directly or see him get stung by her.
Imagine Pippin with more intelligence and the ramnification of that!!!
That would be amazing 😀
The second breakfast edition
I'm down for a 72 hour extended extended cut of the trilogy.
We currently live in an era where people binge watch entire seasons of tv shows on the weekends, so I think the world is ready for a 6 hour long Return of the King
12:50 the whole cannot yet take physical form thing was added after they decided to cut sauron's physical form, in the books he has a physical form, and that was the original idea
Big bad always falls flat on the screen.
In the book, he is as terrifying as your mind can make him.
As far as I know his physical form only took a lot of time to recover due to loosing the One Ring. At the time of the battle he would have already been able to have a physical form, but it would have been very weak without the ring. Of course the question remains why he wouldn’t take physical form, but if you think about it, he didn’t need to. His armies were strong enough to crush the army of men. In the battle of the last alliance he took physical form to try and win the battle, he was already loosing. It was kind of an act of desperation
You are right. When Sauron tortured Gollum, Gollum saw that he only had 4 fingers on his right hand, so at that time he MUST have had a physical form.
@@RKroesehmm you mighta just convinced me to read the books lol😂
not much of a book guy but i love hearing lore from the books all the time on videos, which is the extent of my knowledge past the movies lol
Sauron was perfectly capable of walking around in physical form. You even see Sauron in his physical form in Return of the King during the Palantiri scene with Aragorn.
Plus there’s a line in the books where Gollum states he saw Sauron, and noticed one of his hands missing s finger.
@@Panzer_the_Merganser I was purposefully avoiding book mentions because this is film related.
@@Wiliraughshai Fair enough
in context of the film it works better with Sauron only being spiritual presence.
No. He wasn’t. His physical form literally exploded. Did you not watch the movie? His dismembered head clanged to the ground and everything.
It doesn’t matter what the books did. In the movies, his physical form being destroyed was established. The only form he took in the movies was The Eye, and for him to just step onto the battlefield like that would undermine everything the movies had built up to that point. The Palantir scene was simply Aragorn seeing into Sauron’s mind, and of course in his own mind his perception of himself would be the way he used to look when he had form.
7:19 that is not an illustration of the Witch King, That is the dark lord Morgoth and next to him is the great spider Ungoliant. But this is a good video none the less.
Yeah, I think the video editor did not read the book, neither the Silmarilion nor Tolkien's letters as he also mention he does not know how it was possible that Sauron had physical form in the battle at the black gates, as he indeed had one. Movie lore wise, it makes a little sense since Jackson defined Sauron as simple an ethereal form, but if we consider Tolkien's view, Sauron had all the power to fight in full armor while observing Mount Doom.
@@Rosielx yeah it's clear this is more of a movie channel than book channel. Which is fine.
Man all we need is the Jackson Cut of LOTR. A 120 hour movie experience detailing every single part of the journey except for ol' tom bom.
And the “Barrow downs” where Sam gets his sword from the tomb and the wraiths.
We so need an ultimate edition of these films more the better and so longer scenes
The “Second Breakfast” Edition
I remember seeing so many of these scenes in the return of the king video game. I was so confused as a kid where all these scenes and dialogues came from. They kept the Whitch kings initial design in the video game for example.
As a kid I didn't even know anything about all this either and I remember being confused as hell. The Witch King not appearing at all in cutscenes, then randomly appearing on his fellbeast, getting shot down so easily and then he had that design lmao. Have to admit tho, silly little kid-me thought the developers did an oopsie there and just recycled a Sauron model. Missclicked the wrong model ahah.
I really like how it looks so similar to Sauron though, but it lacks the Iron Crown
@bighatastrea funnily enough for the movies, they changed the original witch king designs because he looked so similar to Sauron. PJ mentions it in the bts for RotK. The mouth of Sauron was another one. Had no idea who the guy was
The game was cool they kinda did things differently and in some ways more accurately and it worked really well imo
I had the same problem then after watching the extended edition it made more sense except that there were still scenes missing for example "we will see the shire again"
What a cool update. Thanks man. A 25th anniversary extended extended R18 version would rule them all!
Yes!
That 1400 h must include everything, bloopers, retakes everything. Crazy
yeah its probably like dozens of takes of every scene plus all the unreleased scenes and their dozens of takes
@@TonyKalashnikov Also filming of different angles, especially during the battles
Almost 2 months of filming non-stop
You’ll be amazed at the deep mythwest video about it
@@Makkaru112what’s that?
I would love to see each of the films re-released at about six hours each, two more hours of movie than the extended version. Hell, make each one ten hours long, I'd still watch them over and over again!
That would become more like a TV show than a movie
08:00 About the Easterlings, you do in fact see Easterlings in that first clash of troops after the trolls did their thing. After the gate fell and the flood of troops come in, you see Easterlings among the orcs. A fair few, actually.
LMAO Elrond with his goofy haircut hahahaha
Yeah, that Coolio lookin stuff has got to go!
and elves are soo beautiful :)
Amazon looked for inspiration for Rings of Power in all the wrong places.
We had once an employee, 30, who had an elven haircut too, though without those rings on the back of his head. He had little hair though... I will probably never forget that guy. XD
It’s not goofy when you see all the different traditional styles around the world. How one can braid their hair is actually quite special.
id love to sit through all extremely extended versions with all footage in, COME PETER JACKSON DO THIS PLEASE
I would be so happy with this
It always seemed strange to me that the Easterlings were cut from the battle of the Pelennor fields. Supposedly they were the first to storm Minas Tirith after the trolls broke in, and it would have been a big payoff after their scene in the previous film.
Yo can see them in the initial charge into the city, when Mordor's forces first clash with the gondorian soldiers. But they're extras in the background, mixed with the orcs. Real shame we don't see more of them, especially cause I love their designs lol
Yeah the Easterlings were elite fighters and played a prominent role in the battle of the pellenor fields
Yeah it's odd, especially since the Easterlings were in the Return of the king video game in the fields of pelennor.
fun fact: the line about sarumaun revealing he made grima poison theodred actually made it into the gba version of ROTK, so I was aware for many years that such a scene of this existed.
Whats gba?
@@RAEJDER Game boy advanced
Oiii
To make it even funnier is that in Tolkien works in the Unfinished Tales there is a hint of possibility of Grima indeed working with poisons:
"his malady may thus have been caused by natural causes, though the Rohirrim commonly lived till near or beyond their eightieth year. But it well may have been induced or increased by subtle poisons, administered by Grima."
Tolkien of course also mentions Grima's manipulation as the metaphorical poison and the possible 'spells' of Saruman:
"Theoden. He is called Theoden Ednew in the lore of Rohan, for he fell into a decline under the spells of Saruman, but was healed by Gandalf..."
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" And ever Wormtongue's whispering was in your ears, poisoning your thought, chilling your heart, weakening your limbs, while others watched and could do nothing, for your will was in his keeping."
@@superjumpbros64 Olá br
"GO...HOME," Frodo said calmly.
He’d never have done that in the books.
@@Makkaru112 it's a joke. The original one is about Dumbledore in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire".
"Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" - Dumbledore asked calmly.
That is how it was in the book.
But in the movie he cried it in pure anger, which had no sense.
@@nastjafisunova7258 Book: Harry, my boy, did you put your name into the goblit of fire? :)
Movie: HaRry yOu s0n of Bltch DID YOU PUT YOUR FUCKING NAMEEEEEE?
As other commenters mentioned, Sauron was perfectly capable of manifesting a physical form. He did that as the necromancer when the White Council banished him, and he did so again in the books. It's just that without the ring, he can't seem to keep the form for long
Rather that without the ring he is not at "full power" so to say.
Now I finally understand why Gandalf had Pippin with him when he went out to save the men fleeing Osgiliath back to Gondor.
in the cinematic version they arrive exactly like in this video is said, and Gandalf helps them escape. It is only the extended edition, where they changed the order of what happens and Gandalf and Pippin are already in Minas Tirith. :/ The thrid movie has some of those cuts in scenes which make the extended edition feeling a bit off, sadly
Sauron did have a physical form in the books
Absolutely do the Hobbit next, they have loaaads of unused footage too!
They indeed have!
The thing with Saruman revealing the truth of Théodred's death and Gríma said "You made me do it!" is a reference to the Scouring of the Shire chapter where Saruman reveals that Wormtounge killed Lotho (The Boss) and hints that since he was starving that he ate the corpse. Gríma said to the wizard "You made me do it!" which is the reason the hobbit archers fire at him after he slit Saruman's throat.
Wait, but wasn't Lotho on Saruman's side? Why did he command Grima to kill him?
@aurorasdawn4681 If memory serves right, Lotho was just a puppet for Saruman to control The Shire with. Since he and Gríma left Isengard to go to Hobbiton, Lotho was no more use to him and disposed of him to have direct control over The Shire.
@@aurorasdawn4681 Lotho imagined that he was in charge. He wouldn't have been happy to follow Saruman's orders, especially when they were purely out of spite to destroy the Shire, when Lotho wanted to rule over it. It was inevitable that Lotho had to go once Saruman took control in person.
That OG Witch-king design is just FUCKING YES!!! Would have loved more Easterling scenes, tho.
Although the picture in 7:19 is actually not the Witch King, but rather a villain who makes Sauron look lesser, the OG Dark Lord, Morgoth.
Peter Jackson’s look for his cameo in RotK always makes me think of how he could’ve been a member of so many of the emo/hardcore bands from the mid-2000s.
Always wondered WHY they shot Gandalf riding out to help the Osgiliath retreat - with Pippin on the horse. Why would he think "I must ride out to challenge these supernatural wraiths, I have my horse, my staff, and my sword, now where's my hobbit? Oh there he is... Good to go!"
Finally makes sense now that it was just cut in the wrong order and they couldn't remove him.
Sauron could've appeared whenever he wanted, he was just busy in his goon cave at the top of the tower.
Bro definitely made a cock ring
Perving on everyone with his big eye camera.
I guess I'm one of the few who actually would have liked to see Sauron appear as Annatar in the final battle. Why? It would connect back to the prologue, raise the stakes, and create a badass battle between him and Aragorn. It would have provided a direct confrontation with evil, thus enhancing the presence of the antagonist. It would also have strengthened the character arc for Aragorn and serve as a culminating moment for the king-to-be. The troll he ended up fighting was just goofy and didn't have the dramatic effect that seeing Annatar would have had.
Could've been cool, would have been a lesser version of the final edit though.
No need for more badass fights right after Pelennor Fields. Sometimes less is more.
Yeah the troll was lame. Better to have fought sauron or at least another one of the nazgul kamul was 2nd after all or one that use to be a numenor in the past have some words and some light fight and when ring is distroyed they fade into the
Honestly, I like Peter Jackson's justification for it. The heroism of the entire Black Gate battle was not supposed to be another "Good vs. Evil" or "Hero vs. Villain" theme, but rather an acceptance of death in the hopes that Frodo was actually still alive and that their deaths would be worth it. The heroism of Aragorn is just his presence, while Frodo and Sam were supposed to be the ones having the "Hero vs. Villain" theme (them vs. the ring/Gollum). I think including any other villain figure would have detracted from the what the black gate fight was supposed to represent. Although, I will say the troll was a bit goofy :/ especially when he is seemingly the only troll in the entire battle lol
Won me over with this one. I remember in theaters (and for the past 20+ years) wondering why Aragorn had a defeated look in his face while fighting the troll. Sauron would have made sense. Cheers from Buffalo, New York.
@@jotnarymir1393think it was just to have the effect of one troll for movie one. Two for two towers and three for return of the king lol.
As a extended version of the film, Aragorn's character development (the title is about him, after all) would have been full if he actually tried everything to save Faramir. He couldn't save Boromir, but he would give every last resort for his little brother, and succeed. That would have made him even more worthy.
"We've had one, yes. But what about SECOND extended edition?"
we won't see any movie like these anymore, that was a sort of a miracle, every memeber of the crew and the cast put passion and effort at maximum level for this project
I would love to see the same for the Hobbit movies! I’ve really enjoyed your content and eagerly watch every new post. Thank you!
Guys, you're amazing. Awesome work!
Thanks so much!
7:25 this witch-king version was in Lotr Return of the King videogame :)))
I just replayed that game. I used to think they made a mistake and put Sauron there
Sauron is in physical form, both in the books and the movies. Hes just chillin in his throne room in Barad-dûr. We even see him in Return of the King when Aragorn tricks Sauron into thinking that he has the ring
While I really love that, for movie onlies it still looks like he's some sort of physical eye-thingy trapped on the tower and he needs the ring to get his physical form and power back. Imo that was a little fail in the visual storytelling, other adaptions did a better job with making Sauron look like an entity. Iirc the Palantir scene with Aragorn was in the Extended Edition only and it kinda looked like a reused scene from the first movie where he stands in the crack of doom, so I never thought this particular scene showed the real Sauron chilling in his armored form in Mordor lmao
@@bighatastrea My head-canon is that the eye on Barad-dûr is a manifestation of a spell that Sauron uses to watch what's outside his tower while remaining safe inside. Then when the ring is destroyed, Sauron's spell fails.
I need to watch them 1300 hrs of content. That will be my new extended version !
That’ll be so cool to see added footage for the 25th anniversary release, make it a 4 hour movie!
I wanted to say thank you for posting this amazing videos on the deleted scenes! The most informative and complete explanation of them by far!
God bless❤️
We need the super extended cut of LOR. Want to all the scenes eliminated, cut, and possibly his reason for removing or option to see alternative scenes. So awesome! This was such a masterpiece. I am watching the tv series out of hunger for more Peter Jackson LOR. It’s pretty sad really 😂
Great video man!
It’s already mentioned but just throwing it down here again, Sauron had physical form in the books by this point in the story, so it doesn’t break any lore to have had him show up for a climactic battle. They just decided it wouldn’t feel right and they were probably correct on that.
Great video. I love being able to discover new details about the films even 13 years after i first saw them
I always miss a redemption scene for Denethor. Like they discover his palantir and understand that he was always under sauron influence. Whitout that contex its just and odd character, but he was in a magick war with Sauron itself. Heck Saruman gave up with the same tool and Denethor dont. Sure, he go crazy and emo about it but didnt gave up the city and you know Sauron was tryin too. That post death discovery would have deepened the character and redeemed it.
Lord of the Rings helped me so much as a young boy. Got me through some hard and lonely times and always gave me a feeling of love and comfort. Would absolutely love to watch more unseen scenes, or if they ever come out with an anniversary edition, I hope each movie is 1300 hours 😂
I would definitely love to see deleted and unused scenes for all of the Hobbit movies!
imagine if these scenes where in the movies how AWESOME the movies whold been and loong
As always, I love your videos 👍❤
Thank you so much!
@@MiddleEarthUpdates I Really Wanted to see Frodo,Sam,Merry and Pippin wearing Scouring of the shire Alternative to show on 😎❤️
Just wanted to say I love the channel. Keep up the great work - looking forward to ROPS2 and HFG, as well as the RPG and TFTS 🙏
Much appreciated!
I enjoyed this video, Thank you. I agree the Hair Style for Lord Elrond was too much, glad they kept his regular hair down style.
The deletes scenes are better than Amazon's serie
God, do I hate this community.
In the original story, Sauron's goal was to "recover the ring," so I think fighting Aragorn was a good change.
Even though I am fine as it is in the movie, I personally would enjoy seeing Aragorn fighting Sauron. It would give me the hero vs the ultimate villain climax. But the troll version is fine.
13:35 Gimli and Legolas NOT visiting those locations together would have been a hue missed opportunity anyways. I mean, that is literally what they do in the books, since their bond has become so strong that they want to keep traveling with their best friend and experience more of each other's culture.
It feels very exciting knowing this and going back to the proper Middle Earth with Surkis Directing and Jackson Executive Producing The Hunt for Gollum along with this 25th anniversary edition, take that Amazon...
I don't care how long it is or how badly paced, I want an extended version, preferably rated R, with as many missing scenes as won't ruin the story.
Thanks for sharing these!
My pleasure!
The Witch-King is shown with his original design in the PS2 ROTK videogame! i always wondered why he looked so different when everything else was very accurate to the movies.
I hope that someday we’ll see these scenes reunited! I feel really emotional right now oh my lord
Sauron in the books was able to take physical form. Gollum actually SAW Sauron and his missing finger which Isildul cut from his hand. So theoretically, Sauron could've fought Aragorn and it would've worked
"Merry grabs the palantir". 🤨😉
Thank you! Had to see if someone noticed before I commented!
I second that
Instead of Aragorn fighting Sauron, always liked the idea of Aragorn dueling the Mouth of Sauron as featured in the video game adaptation.
Enjoyed this. Would definitely be interested in seeing something similar with The Hobbit movies.
They do. It’s the passion project documentaries.
There was stuff here that I’ve never seen before 🤯🤯🤯
Thanks for the video!
If anyone has ever played the PS2 Return of the King video game, you may have noticed that the game used the old design of the Witch King shown in this video.
Yes, I would love to see videos like this on the Hobbit films too. I do have a hard time picturing what they may have left out of those considering how stretched out they made the story anyway, but I'd still love to see.
Maybe we could get longer cuts of those someday too? I sorta do like how the LOTR blu rays split nicely onto 2 discs a piece, makes rewatching a bit less cumbersome. I'd think if they stretched out the Hobbit films a bit more, they would need 2 discs a piece.
And then LOTR 3 disc movies?
Over a thousand hours of LOTR! I'm up for it.
Mythwest video has tons more details
Great video and channel. Thanks!
Loverly!!! Thank you for the video!
The witch king look was so iconic to me. Loved it when I saw it as a teen
Glad they left out Sauron’s physical form too. Didn’t Galadriel curse him on weathertopp, “you are faceless, formless, nameless..go back to the void from whence you came.” To me, leaving his true form unseen preserved a special vail of mystery that I’ve come to appreciate when watching, years later
Please bring back the three of them. 😢❤
Thank you very much. I would like to hear more about the hobbit extra footage
12:15 You say that Sauron "shouldn't be able to do that" in regards to him appearing in his physical form. You are misinformed my friend. In the books Sauron is not just some great burning eye, but instead has reformed an actual body. Sauron had lost the ability to be a shapeshifter and to take on a fair appearance, but not the ability to actually form a body.
P.S. (edit) If you are only referring to the movies, then you should explicitly say so.
No one cares nerd
Technically Sauron could take different shapes, just not a fair form. And after the battle of the Last Alliance, he permanently lost the finger he had the ring on after Isildur cut it off.
About Sauron: ..."also a version of him physically appearing in his full armor which makes even less sense"...
Well actually, the Annatar version would be near impossible as Sauron lost his ability to change to his fair form after the fall of Númenor.
However, he is very much in his fallen physical form during the time of LOTR. Gollum for example saw his hand and the missing finger.
The eye is a metaphor in the books; well, let's say, it is one of the less successful solutions in PJ's version (I like the movies though, but still).
4:48 If I were to take a guess, they could've changed it because it would be a bit too convenient for Gandalf to arrive at the perfect time.
To be honest, a bit like the ghost army during the siege of Minas Tirith for me. I never liked how the ghost army was literally invincible being able to walk on water and such, especially in the theatrical version.
A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to’ (lol jk )
We need the "Unrated Ultimate" Trilogy! Complete with extended scenes, unedited battle scenes (Arwen Cut of the Battle of Helm's Deep, Sauron Cut of the Battle at the Black Gates), the Fatty Bulger scenes from the shire, the Scouring of the Shire plus any other scenes that would add to the movies.
A fair chunk of the missing dialogue was in the RotK video game. Interesting to see it was made for film and reused, I always thought they got the cast in just for the game.
i still hope that there is footage of the Battle of the shire. That is something that i really missed in the movies
I think what they need to do it release an extended-extended edition, with many of the deleted scenes, but it would perhaps need to be like six movies; Fellowship Parts 1 and 2, Two Towers 1 and 2, and Return of the King 1 and 2, in order to cram all of it into the movies. Sure, it may not sell as well, but this should be for the die-hard fans of the movies and books.
One scene I would love to see, if they even filmed it, would be a full scene of Merry and Pippin meeting Gandalf the White, because I would love to see Pippin's face when he sees him and likely running up to hug him, because he probably felt so ashamed of himself after Gandalf apparently died, having accidently alerted the goblins to their presence, which then drew the balrog's attention. Another thing I would love to see, though it would very unlikely to have even been thought of, maybe, and I don't think it was even ever mentioned in the book, but it would be for Legolas to tell Gimli the significance of Galadriel giving him the three strands of hair, and then the scene ends with Gimli looking at the hairs in his palm (likely never shown, probably just seeing the back of his hand, as filming strands of hair would be difficult) and he has a bewildered and honored expression. I think it would also be interesting to have at least a quick scene, likely after Gandalf has Pippin light the beacon, where we see Denethor looking at the beacon from the window, we then see him entering a chamber, looking around first before opening the door, revealing a dark room, but in the darkness we can see the light barely revealing a pedestal in the middle, with some sort of orb sitting on top, but he enters and closes the door before we can get a good look at it, and then during the scene where Denethor is running out of the crypts while on fire, the camera focuses on an orb falling out of his robes, hitting the stone floor and shattering, and then maybe a quick shot of Gandalf reacting to it, likely surprised but then realizing the truth, maybe whispering "a palantir".
If they can’t even fit Elrond’s twin sons where they belong and give Éomer even more of his time to shine like in the books or inclusion of the Druedain then what’s the point?
It’d have to be braids. As that was the Victorian custom all the up to recent days before men went off to war etc. thin elven hair doesn’t exist. Plus they string their bows with their hair. And if they can’t make the gift of het hair glow with the ancient power of the two trees of Valinor then… the fact Sam wasn’t with Frodo in Lothlorien mirror scene was a bit weird since he was there in the books and he had a scene together with her. And it couldn’t skip out her song during the feast on the water scene had a moment between Aragorn and Frodo which showed yet again Frodo’s understanding of elvish and gleaned more into who she is as a character. It was yet again another blessing for Frodo and a giving up her spot on the last ship
Tolkien divided LOTR in 6 "books". Each of the original three volumes is divided in two books.
Have you done one of these for the Fellowship? Great vid btw :)
Thank you! Yes we have, it’s currently down as we are working on a new version. It will be up again sometime in the coming weeks. :)
Release the 1300 hour cut!
The cut scene with King Elessar being armored is perfect...the two men doing so by look of it are a Man of Rohan and a Guard of the Tower...perfect that the King of the Reunited Kingdom would be dressed by Men from both Rohan and Gondor...since for brevity the films omit the few remnants of Arnor.
Seeing Andy Serkis acting is such a pleasure.
They should just turn all these extra scenes into a full mini series like 7-10 episodes 1hr per episode. Would be awesome to see all these extra scenes
In the "making of" documentaries they talk about the original introduction, where Galadriel talks about the making of the rings, being changed. Do you have that footage?
If you're talking about the original prologue, where Gandalf narrated it, then yes! We have two different potential audio files of that, as well as some rare images of the nine men given rings. We are currently working on a new edition of "The Fellowship of the Ring: Unreleased & Deleted Scenes," which we are planning to release pretty soon.
sauron existed in his physical form the entire time. him being a shapeshifter, it makes a lot of sense having him (or part of him) being an eye up there on barad dur while also manifesting his body at the black gate. in the end, it's the 'eye OF sauron', not 'the eye sauron'.
i so hope for a day to come with bodily sauron fighting aragorn at the BG instead of the troll. or maybe both alternating? the troll could have taken over after ringless/weaker sauron got stabbed by Aragorn and then the ring gts destroyed.
Nice job!
GREAT VIDEO
Sauron did take physical in the books. The goal was not to disable Sauron form taking physical form, but stop him from obtaining his full strength.
You could remove or alter the scene where this is state to just say that he could not recover his full strength without the ring.
One thing that Billy Boyd mentions in the commentary is that after Gandalf knocks Denethor off the pyre and Pippin saves Faramir, right after Denethor goes for him and saying "Noooo! You'll not take my son away from me!" there was suppoused to be a bit of fighting between Denethor and Pippin with him punching the deranged stewart but Fran Walsh and Philipha Boyens didn't thought it was a such good idea of Pippin doing that sort of violence toward a non-orc. Me, I disagree because we hate Denethor, especially at this point and deserves a beating or two before Shadowfax kicks him on the pyre and burn into cinder.
The irony being they are happy to add Gandalf physically assaulting and knocking out Denethor a little earlier.
@TheMinecraftHype Think it's different with Gandalf, who basically takes over from a crazy steward who more or less surrender. After all, he is Maia and a wizard and he has a job to do, to help Middle-Earth against Sauron.
@@mevb Gandalf also preaches about not striking unless to defend yourself. And his role is to council and guide, not forcibly usurp leadership.
It's pretty out of character.
When Gandalf said goodbye to the hobbits he was hardly looking at Pippin, although they had been going through so much together in the last film. I really hoped that at the extended version their conversation would be included. But sadly it wasn’t. That was a big disappointment for me.
Bra video! Tack så mycket
In the movie canon Sauron IS a flaming eye, thought it wasn’t the initial plan, you can clearly see this in Return of the King. Hobbit movies also fully went with that idea, with Sauron’s spirit residing inside the flaming eye (like an eyeball), he has no physical form whatsoever. Only astral form through his magic.
Hell, even Middle-Earth Shadow of War bluntly states that Sauron is inside the flaming eye and cant take even astral form anymore due to him being stuck in a constant battle with Celebrimbor’s spirit. Which is makes sense in movie canon, hence we never see Sauron outside of the eye. And I think this is for the best, there are no real stakes if Sauron already has a physical body and even able to fight or walk around. The whole point of him getting the ring back is being able to physically be alive again with all his power.
I would be interested in scenes that were cut from the Hobbit movies too. It was far too long already, but there are still things that I would loved to dwell on or to see explored. 😊
Another interesting cut scene is Denethor with the palantir, I’ve only seen a photo of that scene so I don’t know if it’s true. The inclusion of him using the palantir is more book accurate and makes more sense of his behavior during the movies (including his appearance in the two towers in a flashback)
Thank you a lot for this
The most interesting one for me is Gamlings death that was filmed and cut. If you look when Eomer throws his spear at the Mumakil he looks very angry at something before he the throws the spear I’ve often wondered if that’s his reaction to the death
Wow, looks like we dodged so many bullets! Sauron had a physical form, but we weren't given that impression in the movie so that scene would definitely have been confusing.
At the same time as the scenes that belonged on the cutting room floor, there are so many scenes in here I would pay good money to have/watch! it's official, we need the super extended R rated cuts, I want to see all of the lore accurate dialoge and all the hack and slash for the greatest onscreen battles even if I have to get up for second bathroom break!
For the alternate opening, I believe it likely would have been for the palantir scene as the confrontation with Saruman was intended to be the end of Two Towers.
Remnants of Gandalf and Pippin’s arrival at Minas Tirith exist in the scene where Faramir and the other riders from Osgiliath are attacked as the geography doesn’t quite make sense seeing how Gandalf doesn’t come directly from the city, also why would Gandalf bring Pippin out to it too
ohhh that's where they got the Castlelan knight designs from for TBOME RTS game, now I know it was an alternative Witch King design