@@mokentroll8443 def original to start. So many concepts, workflow to learn, start with cheap vintage lenses that can be adapted to whatever body u move on to. Personally the Nikon 50mm 1.8 e series (easy to get, always cheap) was my best ever bargain purchase (though you'll need a wider lens), I got a metabones speed booster but u cld start with the cheaper (vitronix?) which still gets great reviews, official reports are it's only 5% less sharp (see gerard undone vid I think), and sharpness is overrated anyway 🙄
Used on all the interior shots of the plane cabins in Tom Cruises “American Made”. Also used in the Two Popes. The cinematographer César Charlone revealed this in his masterclass. American Made was mostly shot o Arri Alexa Mini and The Two Popes on Red Monstro 8K. This camera matched both cameras perfectly.
Thank you! That's interesting that you say that, I've heard quite a few people say something similar. Is it the look of the camera that keeps you coming back?
@@AlwaysCinematic Yes! The look is primary and just size of the camera-- you can strip it down-- use a pancake lens-- and practically shoot anywhere guerrilla-style.
@@13StopsPocketFilms What is it in the look that makes you like it better? I know that it has true dng raw and bmpcc 4k has only braw that is already partially debayerd.
How would this fare as a livestreaming web cam used with a cam link ? Use the bmpcc4k for music videos and love it so would love to stick with black magic for my streaming setup
The camera works for that too but it requires a bunch of extra stuff if you want to perfect it. First of all you need to either color grade live, set the camera on video mode, or use a hardware 3D LUT processor. I'd recommend BMD UltraStudio Recorder 3G for capturing the image as it gives you way more predictable latency. Long HDMI cables are pita, so you might want to add a HDMI to SDI converter too. The mic/line inputs on the camera aren't so great, so I added BMD Audio to SDI insert box and feed it from a mic preamp. You can even use digital AES/EBU audio this way. In addition to these you might want to add 3D LUT processor somewhere, one option is to use a BMD SDI to HDMI micro converter as it can apply a LUT to the SDI loopback or perhaps you can apply a LUT on a monitor/recorder attached on the camera (the new Video Assist can do this). At this point you might be better off with a studio camera tho. Micro Studio 4k is probably better choice as you don't need to worry about color grading but unfortunately its audio input options aren't so great. Although, if you aren't planning to play instruments or singing on a live stream, perhaps the audio input of the BMPCC will be just fine. Still I'd say syncing with an external audio interface is horrific, it gets a bit easier with an uncompressed thunderbolt capture device like the ultrastudio recorders but it's still not fun.
It's somewhat hard to find on the used market. Especially when searching online, since the newer iteration of the camera has the same name and is apparently much more common
it work in " low light " too, just raise shutter angel to 360, open largest apenture and use native 800 iso. raw dng really help in low light because it have more data then my 8bits sony a7s files.
Dude..audio levels. Audio levels should be set at no more than -3db on any platform you're editing on. Between -6 and -3 on Premiere, Davinci, Final Cut or Avid. You're peaking like mad throughout the entire video.
Fault. U need -3db just for mastering. U can boost to 0, the important is avoid peaking because each audio track have dynamics with high and low volume, just put limiter on master track for avoid to pass the 0db
I've considered this camera a few times as I love the Super 16 sensor, but ultimately decided against it as really do need a hybrid camera. Was the older footage from film school, if so, which one did you go to?
vimeo.com/112820539 I post what I have already written about the BMPCC: As for "cinema" camera, original Pocket is therefore better than BMPCC4K, because it is very close to the Arri Alexa thanks to DualGain technology. Arri Alexa also has DualGain technology and this should not be confused with DualISO. What I want to say is, that the original BMPCC allows for more cinematic looks. It's a real "cinema" camera, a little Arri Alexa. Yes, the sensor plays a crucial role, because through DualGain and the pixelsize (6.5µm!), the light is better captured, it has a nicer and better DynamicRange...it's not too digital. Skin tones, highlights look better. The original BMPCC is not a lowlight camera (it doesn't have to be). But as soon as the scene is illuminated, it looks phenomenal. CDNG is also a better RAW than BRAW (Better a good, a qualitative 1080p, instead of a bad 4/6K.). In my opinion BMD didn't bring any improvement with the BMPCC4K (I don't need a bigger screen, better internal microphone, because I use all that externally). It doesn't matter. Important is a good sensor, good RAW). I tested BMPCC4K and brought it back. Even if it's cheap, I don't like it. When Blackmagic Design releases a new Pocket with Fairchild sensor, I buy. If not, then I stay with the original BMPCC. And I think that I am not alone with my conviction and disappointment regarding the BMPCC4K. However, there are some things that should be considered: 1. for denoising, use only Neat Video. With NeatVideo there are no artifacts and therefore ISO1600 is also very usable. 2. for moiré use this workflow: th-cam.com/video/NgCuirZ7m1c/w-d-xo.html 3. Cross Hatching fix: forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51936&p=593954#p594177
@@automatisatorpeace5453 Thanks.I watch both of these cameras on TH-cam. But it seems to me the pocket is more like a film strip, more cinematic. Are there such differences in quality? I don't have these cameras, so I don't know.
OK so I have a question would this camera be great as a camera that is want to film some simple videos with. Whilst not having any (literally zero) experiance editing?(sorry for bad english(if bad))
You really get what you pay for. I don't know when I will finally learn that. In my case, with all the trouble this camera has caused me, I could have gotten a $20,000 camera, and I'm not exaggerating. Oh, if I could turn back time.....
Only if you have a supported SD card. I have two BMPCCs and SD cards. I would not recommend new users unless they have correct SD cards. The BMPCC is very picky
Still an awesome camera to this day no doubt. Can't beat cinema dng! I still have mine and also a Micro Cinema. I have some comparisons in my channel of these cameras against the bmpcc 4k(which i also own) if somebody want to check them out. STILL HOLDS UP.
It doesn’t matter much which mode you use in raw as you can change the profile later in resolve. My main reason for always leaving it in log is that if I switch to prores I’ll be really annoyed if I forget to change to log mode and leave it in video.
Has anyone experienced the flashing red exclamation point? My camera seems to be dropping frames within seconds using a sandisk ultra plus 80/mbs. Any advice?
I still use my old BMPCC almost daily. The footage from it easily blends with my 4K cameras! I love this camera!
would you recommend this camera or the bmpcc 4k for a first cine camera/
@@mokentroll8443 def original to start. So many concepts, workflow to learn, start with cheap vintage lenses that can be adapted to whatever body u move on to. Personally the Nikon 50mm 1.8 e series (easy to get, always cheap) was my best ever bargain purchase (though you'll need a wider lens), I got a metabones speed booster but u cld start with the cheaper (vitronix?) which still gets great reviews, official reports are it's only 5% less sharp (see gerard undone vid I think), and sharpness is overrated anyway 🙄
@@viddotcoach I have the metabones speed booster, NIkon G, which is the best wide lens below 1000 British pounds do you think?
I came back to re-watch this Masterpiece!! Excellent Review. Still have my BMPCC Original. 😄Cheers
Used on all the interior shots of the plane cabins in Tom Cruises “American Made”. Also used in the Two Popes. The cinematographer César Charlone revealed this in his masterclass. American Made was mostly shot o Arri Alexa Mini and The Two Popes on Red Monstro 8K. This camera matched both cameras perfectly.
So great to see others still using this amazing camera. I keep coming back to the BMPCC/BMCC even as a P4K/6K owner.
Thank you! That's interesting that you say that, I've heard quite a few people say something similar. Is it the look of the camera that keeps you coming back?
Always Cinematic the original has such a great build and look.
@@AlwaysCinematic Yes! The look is primary and just size of the camera-- you can strip it down-- use a pancake lens-- and practically shoot anywhere guerrilla-style.
@@Napoleonwilson1973 agreed! The build is amazing.
@@13StopsPocketFilms What is it in the look that makes you like it better? I know that it has true dng raw and bmpcc 4k has only braw that is already partially debayerd.
This camera will be worth 10X its original price in a few years. Keep it .. its a beauty!
Good. Maybe then I can make up for the money lost.
Thanks for putting back the faith on my old little beast
Loved the video man! haha so amazing!
I still use this camera a lot, I love it! I just got the BMPCC4K but the original one is so so good!
Thank you! ☺️ How are you finding the 4K?
How would this fare as a livestreaming web cam used with a cam link ? Use the bmpcc4k for music videos and love it so would love to stick with black magic for my streaming setup
The new 4K or 6k one? It would pretty well, Blackmagic has been adding some live-streaming features.
The camera works for that too but it requires a bunch of extra stuff if you want to perfect it. First of all you need to either color grade live, set the camera on video mode, or use a hardware 3D LUT processor.
I'd recommend BMD UltraStudio Recorder 3G for capturing the image as it gives you way more predictable latency. Long HDMI cables are pita, so you might want to add a HDMI to SDI converter too.
The mic/line inputs on the camera aren't so great, so I added BMD Audio to SDI insert box and feed it from a mic preamp. You can even use digital AES/EBU audio this way.
In addition to these you might want to add 3D LUT processor somewhere, one option is to use a BMD SDI to HDMI micro converter as it can apply a LUT to the SDI loopback or perhaps you can apply a LUT on a monitor/recorder attached on the camera (the new Video Assist can do this).
At this point you might be better off with a studio camera tho. Micro Studio 4k is probably better choice as you don't need to worry about color grading but unfortunately its audio input options aren't so great.
Although, if you aren't planning to play instruments or singing on a live stream, perhaps the audio input of the BMPCC will be just fine. Still I'd say syncing with an external audio interface is horrific, it gets a bit easier with an uncompressed thunderbolt capture device like the ultrastudio recorders but it's still not fun.
DanucD on Twitch (usually about 1K-2K viewers) uses BMPCC 4K and a wide angle Tokina zoom
It's somewhat hard to find on the used market. Especially when searching online, since the newer iteration of the camera has the same name and is apparently much more common
Great video! I just bought one a few weeks ago actually replacing a sony a7s mark 1!
it work in " low light " too, just raise shutter angel to 360, open largest apenture and use native 800 iso. raw dng really help in low light because it have more data then my 8bits sony a7s files.
I'm not sure a 360 degree shutter would produce the best looking footage
Lol great video :), I also keep using the bmpcc it to produce my own movies, great work fellow bmpcc user!
Have you ever upscaled to 4k with this cam?
Dude..audio levels. Audio levels should be set at no more than -3db on any platform you're editing on. Between -6 and -3 on Premiere, Davinci, Final Cut or Avid. You're peaking like mad throughout the entire video.
Fault. U need -3db just for mastering. U can boost to 0, the important is avoid peaking because each audio track have dynamics with high and low volume, just put limiter on master track for avoid to pass the 0db
I've considered this camera a few times as I love the Super 16 sensor, but ultimately decided against it as really do need a hybrid camera.
Was the older footage from film school, if so, which one did you go to?
I did a term and a half at uni at Farnham, but all the old footage is from when I was in sixth form.
500 pound camera.
Marty McFly: _Sounds heavy, Doc._
How can it be 500 pounds it's so small?
vimeo.com/112820539
I post what I have already written about the BMPCC:
As for "cinema" camera, original Pocket is therefore better than BMPCC4K, because it is very close to the Arri Alexa thanks to DualGain technology. Arri Alexa also has DualGain technology and this should not be confused with DualISO. What I want to say is, that the original BMPCC allows for more cinematic looks. It's a real "cinema" camera, a little Arri Alexa. Yes, the sensor plays a crucial role, because through DualGain and the pixelsize (6.5µm!), the light is better captured, it has a nicer and better DynamicRange...it's not too digital. Skin tones, highlights look better. The original BMPCC is not a lowlight camera (it doesn't have to be). But as soon as the scene is illuminated, it looks phenomenal. CDNG is also a better RAW than BRAW (Better a good, a qualitative 1080p, instead of a bad 4/6K.). In my opinion BMD didn't bring any improvement with the BMPCC4K (I don't need a bigger screen, better internal microphone, because I use all that externally). It doesn't matter. Important is a good sensor, good RAW). I tested BMPCC4K and brought it back. Even if it's cheap, I don't like it. When Blackmagic Design releases a new Pocket with Fairchild sensor, I buy. If not, then I stay with the original BMPCC. And I think that I am not alone with my conviction and disappointment regarding the BMPCC4K.
However, there are some things that should be considered:
1. for denoising, use only Neat Video. With NeatVideo there are no artifacts and therefore ISO1600 is also very usable.
2. for moiré use this workflow: th-cam.com/video/NgCuirZ7m1c/w-d-xo.html
3. Cross Hatching fix: forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51936&p=593954#p594177
Tell me please! Does bmmcc also have a cinematic video like a pocket?
@@AIBEKNEO yes. BMMCC has the same dual gain sensor as BMPCC...
@@automatisatorpeace5453 Thanks.I watch both of these cameras on TH-cam. But it seems to me the pocket is more like a film strip, more cinematic. Are there such differences in quality? I don't have these cameras, so I don't know.
OK so I have a question would this camera be great as a camera that is want to film some simple videos with. Whilst not having any (literally zero) experiance editing?(sorry for bad english(if bad))
You really get what you pay for. I don't know when I will finally learn that. In my case, with all the trouble this camera has caused me, I could have gotten a $20,000 camera, and I'm not exaggerating. Oh, if I could turn back time.....
care to elaborate a bit? what went wrong?
I just got one used, and i'd like to know what lenses do you suggest for it? For wide, medium and close up shots??
2:17 HAAHHAAHA I DIED, thanks for sharing
Do you have a video comparing this camera to your canon c100 mark ii?
Only if you have a supported SD card. I have two BMPCCs and SD cards. I would not recommend new users unless they have correct SD cards. The BMPCC is very picky
I also love the C100 line...
Still an awesome camera to this day no doubt. Can't beat cinema dng! I still have mine and also a Micro Cinema. I have some comparisons in my channel of these cameras against the bmpcc 4k(which i also own) if somebody want to check them out. STILL HOLDS UP.
It’s very high quality, although I think the switch to BRAW was a good move by Blackmagic. Awesome, I’ll have a look!
Why use log mode if you are going to shoot in RAW?
IAMDIMITRI RAW only use the film gamma, there is no other option
@@thatwastricky ohh I see. Makes sense. Thank you
It doesn’t matter much which mode you use in raw as you can change the profile later in resolve. My main reason for always leaving it in log is that if I switch to prores I’ll be really annoyed if I forget to change to log mode and leave it in video.
Thought I was watching a lutien video from that intro
Q1: What % of ppl here use an external monitor (via hdmi)?
Q2: What will you do if (when?) the hdmi port breaks?? Iiuc they are unrepairable.
YOUR RIGHT ....I THOUGHT LONG AND HARD AND GOT ANOTHER USED ONE ... I WILL USE A LENS HOOD
what software were you editing on there?
*wants to show how difficult it will be to bring extra batteries.
Tries to fit 8inch battery bank into skinny jeans.
epic video didnt bored me
still have mine too
Has anyone experienced the flashing red exclamation point? My camera seems to be dropping frames within seconds using a sandisk ultra plus 80/mbs. Any advice?
absolutly get a highter speed sd, something above 100 mbs
Angelbird makes cards specifically for the original BMPCC and Micro. No dropped frames. Shoots RAW no issues.
Do you know where can i get that little rig this days?
I bought it off Amazon ages ago, unfortunately I think it may have been discontinued :(
Yes, if you have the time and patience for the limited workflow.
The post workflow isn’t that bad if you have the storage space, but the filming stage can be a killer
Always Cinematic Good input, I included the learning curve of Di Vinci.
I still love mine
I still love mine.....
where did you buy it?
Amazing
hi do u ave the link for the cage pease
Unfortunately I don’t think it’s sold anymore :( you might be able to find one on eBay though!
Wait do you edit in blender?
No, I use Davinci Resolve
greAt vid
Can you capture photos like a normal camera with the black magic pocket?
nope
It is not dedicated for photography.
They are very cheap..... but you will need the computer to handle the raw workflow haha
Actually been searching for an original bmpcc half cage, where'd you get it? EDIT: Found it! woodencamera.com/products/pocket-cage
That one looks good, mine's actually a small rig half cage but sadly it looks like it isn't sold anymore
@@AlwaysCinematic wooden cage on special 35 USD.
1:27 Southend ey?
Yes, that was from a university project