Pac-12 is stripped of "Autonomous 5" status--what that means for rebuild l College Football Podcast
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- The Pac-12 was recently given the formal designation of no longer being an "Autonomous 5" league in college football. What does that actually mean as it pertains to their potential rebuild?
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IMO WSU/OSU’s best option is to wait out a possible ACC implosion where several teams leave and Calford puts pressure on the ACC (with ND help) to add west coast schools to mitigate travel. I don’t see WSU/OSU joining the B12 because the B12 will not want to have 6 ex PAC-12 schools creating a voting block against rest of the conference. I don’t see long term value in paying for MWC teams to leave and join a reconstituted PAC-12.
I don't see CALFORD or ND wanting any available west coast teams, much less the likely ACC remainders. More exacerbates travel.
With OSU, WSU, Stanford, and Cal (& a couple of others) in a western division, travel would be okay. You’d play 4 or so in your west division (home & away), then 3 from the East away, a couple or 3 East Division games @ home, and 2 or 3 non-con games (mostly home).
There is no ACC Implosion coming and IF the ACC wanted OSU or WSU they could have already added them because the ACC has an Unlimited Pro Rata that ESPN is begging them to USE to bring in MORE TEAMS.
ACC will expand soon but will get BIGGER FISH than OSU and WSU.
@@chsmithins OK for WHO? Think like you are Syracuse or Wake Forest. More West Coast teams means THOSE SCHOOLS have to Travel WEST more often. It is NOT BETTER for ANY of the Eastern Schools.
And OSU and WSU don't bring in the EYEBALLS like the realistic targets of the ACC do.
They absolutely should (and will) wait
I agree that WSU and OSU will eventually be with the MWC schools. The two year thing was all about keeping the resources per the contracts. Neither will ever have perennial national championship hopes but they never had them before. They will be in a more advantageous position on the field with more winnable games. I can't say that about any of the departing schools with the exception of perhaps, Utah. Money is a different matter; OSU and WSU won't be giving it away.
You aren’t sold on Oregon.
@@tylernelson3343 Not really. Wish I could be.
Not a chance they join the MWC. The financial drop-off is way too severe. The Pac2 should be able to rebuild the Pac-X with the upper G5 teams and make 2 or 3 times as much.
@@atgdcommish608 I'd love if it happens your way, but I have no ears in that conversation nor what new numbers the MWC is being offered in the next year.
NIL, realignment, and transfer portal have dismantled college football.
This was formalized in what respect? He just says it was formalized, says he’s going to explain that, then never says explicitly and in what forum or format this “status” was revoked. Poor journalism
CFB conferences/decision makers voted to strip them of the status
Id rather use the money to buy my way into the big12 or acc....money talks
That would be the ideal option--but they have to prepare for that not happening by 2026
Some on here comment with their bias and not with facts. The PAC ten were still in negotiations a year ago and still had two teams leaving and options for replacing them. Scott and Kliakoff (mutt and jeff) couldn’t manage a kool aid stand and out of arrogance and stupidity did not have any foresight as to what was happening around them. OSU and WSU got drunk on the money coming in regularly and had no insight that the college landscape was changing and they were not going to be a part of it. Shortsightedness, sure. Stupidly, assuredly. Terrible leadership definitely. Paying commissioners for terrible choices, painfully true.
That sums it up perfectly!
Except it wasn't OSU and WSU who botched the TV negotiations. It was the Pac12 conference and some of the bigger teams. The Apple deal wasn't all that bad, 23M a year with a chance to grow as more people watched. Streaming is the future, and there are a lot of highly paid Pac12 alumni nationally who would have signed up.
OSU and WSU are screwed
Go College Football!!!
There is one way that you can do something about it. You can cut the cord on cable and satellite television. Don’t give ESPN and Fox any more money. I decided to get rid of cable tv because of the cost. If you want to limit Fox and ESPN power don’t give them any more money.
Here's how I would rebuild the Pac: Start with Oregon State and Washington State (obviously). Add some top tier G5 Western (as in West of the Mississippi River, or on it) football programs from the Mountain West, American, Conference USA, and Sun Belt. (There aren't many good options in the MAC, and none in the West). Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, UNLV, Tulane, UTSA, Memphis, and New Mexico State have been competitive in recent seasons (9 or 10+ wins). Then add some key media markets like San Diego State (also good in basketball), Rice (Houston), San Jose State (San Jose/San Francisco), Colorado State (Denver), North Texas (Dallas) and Utah State. That would give them 16 teams and would clearly be stronger than any other G5/G6 conference. Basketball would make some money too, with San Diego State, UNLV and Memphis in the mix with WSU.
Any of the lower tier programs could be swapped with stronger teams/recruiting regions like Louisiana or Hawaii or Texas State or New Mexico or Tulsa if that earns a better TV deal. And maybe increase the G6 football dominance by adding an Eastern division and going to 20 teams, with pick-ups like Liberty, James Madison, Appalachian State, USF, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Marshall, etc. (pick any 4). Most of the current G5 TV deals pay a pittance (5 to 10 M a year per team), so G5 teams should be lining up to join a rebuilt Pac, even if it only earns 15M a year (half the Big12/ACC level), in addition to the chances of the Pac-X champ getting a CFP bid most years, and maybe qualifying for an auto bid later.
Well that makes sense, they are in limbo for the next 2 years. But they still get the money they earned previously for 2 years for football, and 6 years for basketball. And if they rebuild as the top G6 conference by raiding the best of the G5, they will have the inside track to the G5/G6 playoff spot every year, even if it is not automatic.
The Washington State commissioner and through his actions the Pac-12 have screwed themselves. The power four conferences that are left have absolutely no reason to deal with a bunch of second tier, want to be teams.
Oregon State will be lucky to make a six and six run in 2024, considering they have lost every skill player from the previous season, and their head coach.
They will come out the other side, but they will be far far farther down the pecking line than they were before. Additionally they will not be in a position to demand equal revenue share and destroy another league.
Spencer, what if the PAC-2 does a reverse merger with the Mountain West? That means Mountain West joining the PAC-2. I think the Mountain West joining the PAC-2 and then the PAC-2 resubmitting autonomous status in 10 years would benefit them in the long-term.
Whistling in the wind….but still the best solution!
A PAC2, B12, ACC merger…..to combat the Power 1/2…make the strongest Power 3 Network…
24/7…coast to coast conference with 3 divisions of regional rival teams …competing against each other….dominate their cities and bowl games….let the Power 1/2 kill off each other. This will reduce cost and allow even stronger teams , where players want to get an education, get a better chance to start, and get to play at home…an advantage for any player that has not not bought into the dream of playing pro..the 1-2% . Time to introspectively realize the truth and get real! Those of you in this group…may want to get a bigger paycheck…but that won’t bring happiness or allow you to meet expectations…just ask Missouri and Nebraska!!
Being #3 or 3 is exactly what the ACC is doing... and has achieved... you just don't see it YET. But it is coming in due time.
Not a merger like you think. Just TAKING the best of the rest into your stronger, better-positioned conference.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x only if NC and ND stay and fight it out! Without Clem/FDU/ND/NC….you are not #3 by a long shot!!
@@danhauser3361 The BIG12 has ALREADY lost its top 6 (net). The new BIG12 is the worst P5 athletically, academically, in value, and in prestige. The ACC you desccive would still be better than the new BIG12.
How/why does ND leave if "only" UNC, CLEMSON and FSU leave?
@@tarheel7406 Money and arrogance and playoff ops. Still think ND may go independent . …unless SEC/B10 lock them out of playoffs ( threatened)
You have an overly ambitious perspective of the value of the ACC in the eyes of the people that count…the TV networks that pay the bills.
I agree the Big 12 is in a similar position…just with a better contract term…the money is similar….but the can has been kicked down the road a little.
The PAC12 covered the entire largest state in the Union…most TVs/ population …yet their contract was one of the lowest offered ….ie…so ACC…ask yourself why? Poor management and being overly reliant by the ‘have not’ colleges on a few ‘haves’ big boys. Inequality between the conference….with greedy power hungry programs. And ESPN/Disney are losing money and are going to concentrate on just the top programs and reduce the others…a business decision. Focus on the profitable segment. . Read the tea leaves….what does the reduced ACC have that will increase their value at the next negotiations…should you lose a few key players? And by adding a few less valuable programs it reduces your shared income??? At some point these schools got to say enough is enough and be satisfied with their region/ partners /rivals…..and quit looking where the grass is greener . Their TV contract and being invited to the party /playoffs is out of your control. If I were the 12 or so programs ..the have nots of the conference….I would demand that Notre Dame and North Carolina state their position…what are their offers and desire to leave for more money…sooner or later…so that the rest of the conference can plot their strategy and direction going forward. They are being disingenuous if as partners, they won’t disclose their druthers..and future direction. You are either with us or against us…state your position!!
If they won’t , then you got your answer! The partnership in on life support , tenuous at best…and a new direction is needed….and it starts with Management. My suggestion is you have more firepower and a better negotiating position if you join with the B12/Pac2…representing 25 states and 32 cities…good markets with many still growing….and adding TV sets ( the main value point to advertisers) …history and the quality of the schools and educational experience ..while nice…are not in the equation for college football anymore! Sad but true. You may need to seek another TV partner or create your own. Dealing with NIL/Transfers and Unions…along with a pay to play mentality…will be a treacherous road to go on your own!!
The SEC/B10 has stated their position…a 2x4 across the face for the rest of College football. …with the aid of TV!
Just join the MWC and call it good. Or create a new conference and call it something like The Pacific Mountain Conference (PMC).
That's got a solid ring to it tbh
Pacific Prime Conference -- and sell the rights to Amazon.
Stay Independent as they are for 24/25. Keep Hoops in WCC.
My understanding is that the mw and pac 2 when they signed the deal for football. Inside it was a good faith negotiation to merge under the pac 12 banner. If all schools are taken then then they will not oay. If they take some teams they pay a lot. More teams less. All teams nothing.
Correct, but they have a lot of $$ if they don't want to add them all
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I guess that's true. I always assumed they would take them all to save money. I was listening to Pate State and he has convinced me there needs to be a group of five playoff. The CST proposal would be best imo as it would bring stability but I don't see that happening. Group of five needs to be it's own thing now. It's own life raft because everyone not call b1g and sec is dead. They just don't know it yet.
@@phays10 I think a G5 Playoff makes sense
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Agreed. I love my Cougs but do they have a chance to beat a bama? To win a national title when we don't have anywhere close to those resources? Almost certainly not.
That has always been the most logical step. Wait until August 2026, dissolve the PAC 12 conference, OSU and WSU can legally keep the $222 million and the MW keeps its March madness units.
As I understand it, if they don't rebuild the conference they lose the NCAA tournament units that the departing schools earned (it gets divided among the previous Pac-12 schools as if the conference dissolved in 2024).
@@tallfir2520 I think the NCAA only requires them to rebuild to 6+ teams, an easy task. FBS increased that to 8+ teams. But they have time to make it as strong as possible, then get G5 teams lining up to beg their way in.
Spencer: Good show as always. I think the most likely option will be to join the MW. I just do not see the ACC happening. Why? There needs to be departing schools > 4 for that option to happen, and would an ACC in that condition be better then the MW? You can argue NO, when you add the travel involved.
I would say the most likely option is rebuild the Pac-12....but The Athletic article did make me think about being the top $$$ dog in the MW
Oregon St and Washington St need to just go to the Mountain West and get it over with. They keep dragging this out and all it will do is hurt recruiting and coaching staff with the uncertainty of the programs path.
And give up $250 million? Won’t happen
Patients. If they wait till August 2026 and dissolve the conference they keep all the money. Then they join the MW.
Money will make the decisions. And joining the MWC is like giving yourself a huge paycut vs. rebuilding the Pac with the best G5/G6 teams.
Don’t worry ACC and Big 12 will lose their power status eventually just matter of time.
LMAO NO
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x do you really think there four power conferences? In reality there is only two power conferences that matters. Unfortunately for Big 12 and ACC they are not in the same league as Big Ten and SEC.
Yeah, soon neither of them will have one real national brand among them.
@@tylernelson3343 No. I KNOW there are THREE. The Big 12 doesn't really qualify anymore. And when Kansas, Arizona, Oklahoma St, Utah, West Virginia and a few others ALL LEAVE the Big 12 it REALY won't be part of a Power Four anymore. And I KNOW that is going to happen in a few years.
See... I know a few things that you don't.
And we BOTH KNOW that the ACC has been BETTER than the B1G in almost every year of the last 2 decades in every sport except for Hockey. Or, you SHOULD know that.
pac2
OSU and WSU should have at least tried to go to another conference over a year ago, with all the realignment and failing Pac-12 conference. They dragged their feet, hem, and hawed and blamed the other teams for leaving. They should have not got one damm cent from any of the other teams. Also, the fans need to direct their anger at the source which is very very poor leadership at their universities, not the other Pac-12 teams. Don't go away mad Pac-12, just go away!!!
ah trash fans reminding everyone just how trash they are. you truly are a man of your people. never change eddie, never change.
Oregon and Washington had not decided to leave the conference over a year ago so that would be incorrect. Your timing is off.
@@robina.miller3623 I didn't say that they were undecided I said they should have decided. What does timing have to do with that statement???
OSU and WSU were trying to join the Big12. The TV networks said no dice (just like they told Stanford and Cal about joining the B1G.)
@@MrEddiethedog you claimed in your statement that Oregon and Washington as well as UCLA and USC had already decided to go to the big tent. That was untrue. USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten a month before Oregon and Washington decided to try to go to the Big Ten. That's all I was saying your timing was a little off no big deal buddy