I think the Big 12 would've taken Stanford, obviously, but Stanford cares most about academics. The B1G invite wasn't there, so they settled for the ACC (a strong academic conference).
Big 12 would have interest in Louisville and Pittsburgh; the two schools have historic rivalries with two Big 12 schools (Louisville-Cincinnati, Pittsburgh-West Virginia.) Adding these two would create an eastern wing to the conference and bring back two historic rivalries to a conference that doesn’t have too many big rivalries.
Was thinking that too, reviving the Backyard Brawl would be hype. There’s also the River City Rivalry between Pitt and Cincinnati, 2023 was the first time they played in 11 years but that’s another classic Big East rivalry that would be great to see re-established
Tony Altimore is the infamous “No school is leaving the PAC-12 for the Big 12😂😂😂” tweeting guy, and people really need to be reminded that Altimore and John CLOWNZano were basically running a disinformation machine for the PAC-12 up until its implosion. Altimore is a horrible source
He blocked me on Twitter for pointing out a different graph he made didn’t make sense. That he has Stanford, who couldn’t get a half share in the B1G (like OU & Wash did) or into the Big 12 (like Colorado, ASU, AU, & Utah did) as the 2nd most attractive school in the ACC should have told him his model was garbage. But just by saying it’s a “quantitative model” people act like that means the output isn’t complete garbage
@@grega7614he blocks everybody if you dispute with facts. A Prize Picks analyst called him out put out well researched & sources graphics he blocked the Prize Picks guy & claimed Prize Picks doesn't know what they're talking about. When me & several others backed the Prize Picks data he blocked me along with a dozen others he's a coward. Most of his research isn't credible. Altimore is really out here disputing multi-million dollar companies like Prize Picks & acting more superior a joke. C'mon Prize Picks pays people to gather good data.
Whoever did these ratings are trash. Stanford has more value than Georgia? Yeah, right. It's why Stanford and Cal were on their knees and pleading for the BIG to take them and they got left behind. Also, watch for UNC and NcState to the SEC. UNC by law has to get approval by the NC BOG, a board that's ran by a NcState Wolfpack and half the members are NCState grads. Someone is probably getting forced to take NCState with UNC and that would most likely be the SEC. I could easily see the SEC taking Clemson, UNC, NCState, and Virginia. FSU seems so angry with ESPN and threats of lawsuits, they feel destined for the BIG. Like you said, the BIG really wants in the deep south. So that could be FSU/GT or FSU/Miami.
They didn’t take in Stanford because Oregon Washington and the la schools are bigger brands and much bigger universities. And I don’t think the B1G wants any schools from the Deep South, other than maybe Georgia tech, but that’s unlikely. UNC and duke, along with of course notre dame would be the only schools the B1G will even consider adding. Florida state is also not exactly a B1G level academic powerhouse.
I think the B12 would target Pitt, UL, NC St and Duke. If Duke goes to the B1G for academics, maybe the B12 takes VT as a replacement. I think Yormark still has his eyes on UCONN for basketball. Maybe the B12 takes 3 ACC schools if Duke doesn't come over and then just takes UCONN.
After the ACC destroyed the legendary, beloved Big East Conference...anything bad that happens to them is well-deserved poetic justice. And this started the beyond stupid trend of leagues no longer being at least somewhat regional...a friend of mine has a daughter playing a varsity sport at Rutgers, and instead of being able to drive to the vast majority of her road games, now they have to consider flying across the country to see her play...stream that!
a) What former BIGEAST school now in the ACC isn't in an Atlantic Coast state by a reasonable definition? Only L'VLLE? b) The BIG8 killed the SWC and the BIG12 helped kill the PAC. What bad stuff would be well-deserved?
@@nathanjm000 The US Supreme Court indirectly caused the focus of conferences to shift from regional or academic instead to the biggest schools that attracted more eyeballs with the 1984 ruling in NCAA vs. Oklahoma Board of Regents. This led to the death of the SWC, the rise of the Big 12 and now we have greed run amuck. ESPN had a nice article on the demise of the SWC and what it all led to a few years back.
You have to understand that ESPN would pay Pro-rata for power 5 schools added to the conference, they would most likely add Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NCSU, Pitt, Syracuse in my opinion. this would not dilute the football product, since they would get pro rata. you can look at this like a way for espn to cut the fat out of the ACC but still hold (most of) their rights.
i think miami is alot like notre dame minus the 100 year football prestige. small private school attended by the 1%. the u is probably better off as an independent, they can continue to play their northern rivals like penn state and notre dame and their southern ones plus their instate florida rivals
@@AC-im4hi similar to any large US city, when the teams isnt great the fans have a million other things they could do. you dont have the problem in a lincoln or state college aka BFE. doesn’t mean they dony get ratings though
Michigan and Ohio State would love a winnable road game in Atlanta right between Alabama and Georgia at GT. Don't underestimate the hotbed of recruiting in Georgia. Michigan already holds a recruiting camp in Atlanta each year. SEC also would not want those schools in their backyard each year.
Agreed! I mentioned this in the comments of a video a few months back. I said if Clemson, Florida State & Miami left for the SEC, don't be surprised if the SEC went after Georgia Tech as well to monopolize the pipeline (outside of UCF, who only just joined the Big XII).
Clearly Tony needs to look at his weighting system given that Stanford placed so high in his model. When the real world (aka the experiment) proves your model wrong it’s time to look at what assumptions were made with weighting of the input variables. Maybe it’s an anomaly or outlier, fine, but it should be at minimum addressed.
The only 1 in major trouble is Wake Forest. They have very little to sale themselves to the other 3 conferences with. Even Wazzou & ORST are in a better position than they are.
@@xfacta334 There's now no feasible path that ends with a peer P3. If ACC teams are moving to the BIG12, the P2 will have consolidated deep/wide enough to separate from the rest.
@@tarheel7406 I didn't say it did. I said that NEITHER PATH you listed involves the ACC. The ACC is being systemically disbanded, no team will risk access to any level of stable ground to commit any futile attempts of holding it together.
@@xfacta334 Huh? You speak nonsense. The ACC either lightly depletes and survives as a peer Tier 2 in a P4 world ~or~ depletes heavily out to the SEC/B1G for a P2 world. Thats's material involvement and why "other 3 conferences" makes no sense in your original comment. The lame, relatively irrelevant duck here is the BIG!2, which has already fully depleted out. The fate of the ACC essentially controls that of the new BIG12. Relevant or irrelevant Tier 2.
Look at Football viewership from 2016 - 2023: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Texas 4) Florida State. *Whom, how, and what determinates attractiveness. Ginger - These are “tv viewership” in football over a long period of time in tv viewership. The number’s you gave are limited snap shot. CAL, Stanford, and SMU were bottom feeders??? * They too were from Tony. Real data is helpful not B.S. made up “Attractiveness”.
Nah. We know we’re valued. Also, look who it’s coming from. Tony Altimore is famously a huge BYU hater. And given his track record on being completely unable to be objective and unbiased in favor of the defunct pac 12, I’ll take this chart about as seriously as I took his prediction that the Pac 12 would sign a tv deal worth 50 million dollars a year per school.
@@dannyfootball3608 There's a reason why BYU had lingered outside of the P5 until the BIG12 was desperate. I respect BYU's principles, but it can't expect others to always accommodate. On the other hand, I can't see how Tony could have captured BYU's special situation in his figures.
@@zachellenburg5738 FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC are the only ones you can say without debate. I’d argue to say if Dabo retires or leaves and Brohm stay’s Louisville could jump Clemson. Louisville is also 4th in revenue in the ACC. NC state is similar to Louisville but they don’t have the brand. Who do you think?
@@xfacta334I’m sorry, no. Louisville is only getting a call from the Big 12. Its viewership, market and revenue are nowhere near enough to be attractive to the Big 10 or SEC, and their academics alone would keep them out of the Big 10 (they almost didn’t get an offer from the ACC due to their academics.)
Traditional college sports fans should express, display their GREAT disappointment and ANGER that the NCAA and the conferences would SELL them OUT, after generations of loving and supporting their fav teams. Fans should withdraw their support of university presidents that support the Sell Out...same for conference commissioners...demand their resignations. WE the sports fans, have the power to Close Them Down..they work for US. My ANGER is directed toward the outrageous integration of the BIG10 & PAC12. 🤧🤒🤢🤮
Syracuse football has down, but the basketball program has a lot of prestige, and they have a very affluent alumni base and a bigger following in the northeast than any of the other teams available. I don't think it would be a stretch to see the Big 10 essentially 'trade' Rutgers for Syracuse; Rutgers is losing tens of millions every year in the Big 10, and Syracuse has a better basketball program, better history with the football program, and much better presence in the NYC area. SU already got caught with their pants down when the first round of realignment happened in 2003, being all set to go to the ACC and then getting screwed out of it at the last minute, and they are said be very proactive behind the scenes to not let it happen again.
Blame that on Jim Boheim, a likable and great coach, but he said something about not wanting to join the ACC and that translated into Syracuse being snubbed.
@@UltraHumble Seems like the Big East is doing fine without SYR BB. Just ask UCONN or Nova. SYR should split FB and BB. The BE has surpassed the ACC in basketball and ACC football is trash.
@@DaMann-zm6kt UCONN is having a nice run but that's about it for Big East BBall. Somehow you didn't notice that one-fourth of the NCAA tournament was ACC, and half of the Final 4 was Duke and UNC in 2022 and that the ACC is in the Final 4 every year? The Big East is now UCONN and no one else like the SEC used to be Kentucky and no one else in BBall.
Look up any Big 12 commentator on this topic and you’ll find out why Louisville is THE MOST ATTRACTIVE addition for their conference. Your charts are skewed by irrelevant factors. Duke and Stanford’s positions should’ve been a clue lmao. By Big 12 metrics, they’re hoping and praying that the Power 2 pass on Louisville because they’d immediately be one of the top earners and draws in the conference.
Eh, screw it. Disband the ACC entirely. Have Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, and all four NC schools go to the SEC. Have both VA schools, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC go to the B1G. As for the Big XII, have UCF go to the SEC and have UWV and Cincy go to the B1G. HOWEVER, put Memphis in the Big XII and have the Big XII pick off teams from the Mountain West. And, voila: three major Super Conferences.
I think conference re-alignment has less to do with how competetive a program is, but the television markets in a school's footprint. Georgia Tech is not getting left out if ACC implodes, I think Big 10 and Big 12 would be interested.
This is probably just because I’m more of a college hockey fan but I could see Boston College joining the big ten with the big ten having mens hockey and Boston College being a hockey school if BC would be able to leave hockey east to join the big ten along with the big ten getting into the Boston/New England market with BC being the only New England school currently in a power conference.
Duke-Carolina Basketball rivalry is going no where. They do not need to be in the same Conference. They can still play a Home and Home each year. They are 8 miles apart. UNC, Virginia and Miami to Big 10. Possibly Clemson because SEC does not want them because of SC.
How come every time you mention the schools that would be left behind would be a good fit in the big 12 also Miami is not a big 10 school and definitely not a SEC school. They are small private un relevant brand that does not play in their own stadium.
Would the SEC/B10 start kicking schools out of the conferences? I can see that happening sooner or later. Take a more profitable school and drop one that is less profitable.
@@patrickb33339Yeah football is fun but it ends in January. So what do you do for sports until April when BBall rules Jan - March and nothing compares to the NCAA BBall tournament? Watch movies, hopefully get outside? 4 ACC teams made the Sweet 16 this year, 3 of them from one locale - UNC, Duke, and NC State are Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill which are functionally one city. No one else does that. Minimum of one ACC team in the Final 4 as it is Duke vs. NC State, and maybe Clemson makes it for half of the Final 4. Unusual? No, as just 2 years ago with UNC and Duke as half of the Final 4. Yes, UNC flubbed this year, but that happens and still possibly half of the Final 4 is ACC. The sports year includes BBall, and despite the fake the "ACC is down" stuff, when it come to wins in the NCAA BBall tournament, the ACC is not down but way way up.
@@jamessanders6788 Duderorosker, you know that you are doing false bravado, that you are filling out your brackets like everyone else when NCAA tournament time comes around. And the Terps used to be a Thing in BBall, but now are not in the B1G. Your world dies once FBall season ends in January.
Georgia Tech has solid academics are research theyd be SEC bound. Its about reaserch and academics too thats why stanford and cal are popular as well as uva
SEC would not take Georgia and GT. It also would take Clemson and SC. UGA was advancing their offerings in the STEM fields and GT got mad about it. They did not want to compete with UGA in technology. Why would UGA boost GT in sports?
It is laughable to see so many ACC teams so high on this list. If the ACC had value, it would not be imploding. The SEC already dominates the southern market. Clemson, GT, FSU can forget about joining the SEC. Maybe the B10 would like second tier school in those markets- maybe not.
Big 10 will grab the best media markets and fit. That gives you a couple of options but I feel they don’t expand beyond 4 of the six options: BC, GT, UNC, Duke, VT, and UVA. BC gives you Boston, GT gives you Atlanta, UNC and Duke give you Raleigh/Durahm and VT/UVA secure the DC market further. Remember the Big 10 network has riders on revenue increases based on media markets where the league is active
What's going to happen is a Super conference will become SO huge that they'll split into divisions called Big Ten, Southeastern, Southwest, Pacific, Atlantic....yeah, it'll all come full circle and people will be asking what it was all about to begin with.
Football is a large large part of this but you guys have got look at the bigger picture. Stanford is mediocre at best 9.5 outta 10 years no question but look at the potential tv numbers when they get that home game with FSU or Clemson Ohio St etc. Those teams have tons of fans that live in cali that are gonna buy tix when they come to town or tune in when they usually wouldn't bother. Prime example I'm a season ticket holder for GaTech (I f'n hate tech) but it's cheaper to buy season tix and resale the 2 -3 big game tix than to just buy tix for the Miami game
When a "source" lists Mich St, Wisconsin, Tamu, Tennessee and Stanford among others as more attractive realignment schools than Clemson or Fsu, you gotta instantly question its veracity lol. Lets be real
I don't know how this attractiveness score is created, but if it's accurate at all, then everyone from Syracuse up the list on the ACC is more attractive than more than half of the Big 12, and the bottom of the SEC. And the top third of the ACC is more attractive than the bottom half of the SEC, and the bottom third of the Big 10. So let's just throw it all out and go back to ten-team geographic-based conferences.
Honest question: what schools would fit properly in a College Football Association? Just bypass the conference thing altogether. I'm thinking 80 to 92 schools.
if i can choose at most 4 teams from the ACC for the BIG 12 is North Carolina, NC State, Duke, and Louisville. I would take Miami but they just don't make my list. Of course, this won't happen. But I can dream. lol
Stanford has the largest endowment in D1, It suprasses the GDP of about half the nations on the planet, they dont need any network contracts. If the ACC imploded Stanford and Cal would probably be the first two into the Big10, provided ND went as well (in every sport but football, they'll try to remain independent for CFB)
Endowments aren’t used for athletics typically, and Stanford likely wouldn’t be keen on using tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars of it on the entire athletic department because they can’t secure a tv deal. While they are rich and academically inclined, they suck at generating revenue with football, that’s about all that matters. That’s why they weren’t invited by the big 10 when they had the opportunity with cal, neither of those schools add anything. Hell purdue and Rutgers probably get better tv ratings than the Bay Area schools:
Stanford has one football thing the others lack, and that's the rivalry with ND that ND values and would be a prerequisite for ND to join the B10. FSU and Clemson have puny $1B endowments which is why they are always money grabbing for position. Stanford has the Stanford cup athletics which doesn't typically bring eyes but it does bring interest to the decision makers who vote on conference members.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp no it doesn’t, because they wouldn’t be trapped in the ACC if anyone gave a shit about any of that. It’s money, and Stanford football doesn’t generate enough.
Given claims Altimore made about PAC before their implosion, I would take his assessments with a grain of salt. Plus even after that his 'realignment attractiveness' is ranking Stanford above multiple teams the B1G took is a red flag on his evaluation methods.
It's amazing that Tony didn't apparently adjust his values and weights given his track record. Maybe more accurate from a "generic ballot" perspective, but conferences have materially different perspectives.
The limit of teams these conference should have, should be 20 teams. B10: FSU, Norte Dame SEC: Clemson, NC State, Carolina, Duke Big XII: Miami, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech
a) Is that ACC depletion heavy enough to release ND? b) Is that ACC depletion to the P2 heavy enough to get remainders to move to the already Tier 2 BIG12?
Notre Dame as it is now will probably hold the ACC together. The ACC is the only conference willing to take Notre Dame without the football team. So if the ACC was to deplode, Notre Dame would be left high and dry with its other sports. Unless Clemson, North Carolina, and a few others don't want to play the Irish in one of those five mandatory football games, I see them staying in the ACC. So if that is not enough to keep the conference together I don't see any other Conference willing to let Notre Dame join and keep the Football team independent, it may force ND to include the football team in joining a conference, in that case ND will join the Big Ten. It is the only good fit for the Irish, since most of its traditional rivals will now be in the Big Ten.
It's important to note that the addition of CAL & STANFORD was mostly to sate ND, which most likely had to provide assurances of remaining associated to get those votes. ND is betting on lite ACC depletion to keep a strong enough schedule and football indy. The dilutive expansion created an argument that the GOR was breached and creates a path for the ACC to deplete out in smaller waves. ND delays the inevitable.
Is there a move that keeps the ACC intact as a power conference? I wonder if the ESPN deal has a Notre Dame clause that would increase the payout or force a renegotiation if they join in football.
Pitt is in much better hands than you think. There’s plenty of directions they can go plus with someone like Heather Lyke running the program they’re not getting left out. Feel like you’re missing plenty of information on them.
@@gavincooney151 Pitt would crawl over broken glass to be in the B1G, by far much, much more lucrative & stable than ACC, but there is ZERO desire for Pitt in the B1G as PSU covers state of PA already. It's pretty much Big 12 (w/ WVU) or bust for them.
For the B1G, PITT would be last resort filler to get to a target number, and I don't see the SEC going that far north given plenty of other options. On the other hand, PITT will likely be a determiner of whether the ACC survives as a Tier 2 or not. I see no purpose in the P5 remainders consolidating into a weak Tier 2 BIG12, but they may want to try.
@@fanman71 That alone PSU being the more desirable place to play for higher state recruits over Pitt would be why given PSU being the show in the town in State College over Pitt essentially being a pro town and also Pitt being in the Big 10 doesn’t better themselves as an athletic program in general due to how little they recruit those big 10 areas. They’re more east/southeast coast in terms of where their recruits come from.
None of those 4 would leave the safety of the B12 to drown with the ACC. The only teams looking to join that mess now are G5s that hope they can leverage whatever is left after the implosion.....
I like Depressed Ginger so much more when he is not talking politics. It does not matter if one is a left-winger or a right-winger. I watch videos like this to avoid politics. Wake Forest (where two of my relatives went) is going to get so screwed by all of this realignment. Others will be screwed, too, but WF is a given imo.
big 10 should add Notre Dame and Stanford, which makes the conference 20 teams, we should then get rid of Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwestern then replace them with Virginia tech, Pitt, and Louisville, I don't think the big 10 would be able to FSU, Clemson, or Miami
They already tried, but ND doesn't want to give up CFB independence and Stanford won't join without an invitation for their main rival CAL, plus they weren't very happy with B10 shenanigans. That could all change if ACC implodes.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp oh that makes sense I was confused why they never added Stanford, but I’d tell Stanford they can still play cal and make millions more by joining the B1G
As a SEC guy. I would love to see Miami, Duke, UNC, and Louisville all in the conference because of the rivalry that UNC Duke and Louisville have with Kentucky which is my team in basketball.
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You lost me at the beginning by using Altimore as an expert. First graph shows Stanford right behind ND, yet no one outside the ACC wanted them.
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I think the Big 12 would've taken Stanford, obviously, but Stanford cares most about academics. The B1G invite wasn't there, so they settled for the ACC (a strong academic conference).
Big 12 would have interest in Louisville and Pittsburgh; the two schools have historic rivalries with two Big 12 schools (Louisville-Cincinnati, Pittsburgh-West Virginia.)
Adding these two would create an eastern wing to the conference and bring back two historic rivalries to a conference that doesn’t have too many big rivalries.
Was thinking that too, reviving the Backyard Brawl would be hype. There’s also the River City Rivalry between Pitt and Cincinnati, 2023 was the first time they played in 11 years but that’s another classic Big East rivalry that would be great to see re-established
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Tony altimore is your source, seriously, a magic 8 ball knows more about conference realignment than that guy.
Tony Altimore is the infamous “No school is leaving the PAC-12 for the Big 12😂😂😂” tweeting guy, and people really need to be reminded that Altimore and John CLOWNZano were basically running a disinformation machine for the PAC-12 up until its implosion. Altimore is a horrible source
He blocked me on Twitter for pointing out a different graph he made didn’t make sense. That he has Stanford, who couldn’t get a half share in the B1G (like OU & Wash did) or into the Big 12 (like Colorado, ASU, AU, & Utah did) as the 2nd most attractive school in the ACC should have told him his model was garbage. But just by saying it’s a “quantitative model” people act like that means the output isn’t complete garbage
@@grega7614he blocks everybody if you dispute with facts. A Prize Picks analyst called him out put out well researched & sources graphics he blocked the Prize Picks guy & claimed Prize Picks doesn't know what they're talking about. When me & several others backed the Prize Picks data he blocked me along with a dozen others he's a coward. Most of his research isn't credible. Altimore is really out here disputing multi-million dollar companies like Prize Picks & acting more superior a joke. C'mon Prize Picks pays people to gather good data.
@@grega7614Yeah Tony Altimore is a idiot. Just uses fancy graphics and what not but he tried to say the Big Ten wouldn’t add Oregon. I blocked him
Whoever did these ratings are trash. Stanford has more value than Georgia? Yeah, right. It's why Stanford and Cal were on their knees and pleading for the BIG to take them and they got left behind. Also, watch for UNC and NcState to the SEC. UNC by law has to get approval by the NC BOG, a board that's ran by a NcState Wolfpack and half the members are NCState grads. Someone is probably getting forced to take NCState with UNC and that would most likely be the SEC. I could easily see the SEC taking Clemson, UNC, NCState, and Virginia. FSU seems so angry with ESPN and threats of lawsuits, they feel destined for the BIG. Like you said, the BIG really wants in the deep south. So that could be FSU/GT or FSU/Miami.
Agreed. Also, if you look at the big 12, they had byu at LAST. Bull
They didn’t take in Stanford because Oregon Washington and the la schools are bigger brands and much bigger universities. And I don’t think the B1G wants any schools from the Deep South, other than maybe Georgia tech, but that’s unlikely. UNC and duke, along with of course notre dame would be the only schools the B1G will even consider adding. Florida state is also not exactly a B1G level academic powerhouse.
Yeah, Stanford and Cal are so attractive that the Big 10 twice and the Big 12 both passed on them.
Stanford and Cal passed on the Big 12
@@jamesmckenzie9529bull, theres a reason why they are now playing with SMU in a conference on the other side of the country.
@@jamesmckenzie9529 TT, Oklahoma state Kansas State Iowa state vetoed them. The other schools voted yes.
Either way.....Stanford, Cal and even SMU aren't dream prom dates. They added nothing to the ACC.
Cal and Stanford more than likely chose the ACC over the B12, they value academics and the ACC is much better for that.
Bold take: Nc State and VT could be a good fit for the SEC. They both have great fanbases and are good in athletics
Zero chance
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@@tmjel1NC State took a big step recently
dont see it .
Wake & BC would be beyond screwed. Feel bad for Wake man they have so much history here in NC. this is the shitty part of realignment for sure
Stanford, Cal,Smu,Bc,Wf,smu ,Syc,,Was st,Org st = Acc or pac
Uva,Unc,U big 10 sec gets Clemson, Fsu
Duke Vt,Louvlle,,pitt,
Ga tech,ncst
They would not separate duke and UNC
If it implodes, I promise you at least Pitt, Louisville and 2 more are in B12
I think Louisville but not Pitt. Big 12 would take Duke and nc state.
@@tmjel1 I would have to disagree, because I think they would take WVU’s rival over Duke. Basketball doesn’t move the needle, the Backyard Brawl does.
Really depends on how many schools go to the Big 10 and SEC.
I think the B12 would target Pitt, UL, NC St and Duke. If Duke goes to the B1G for academics, maybe the B12 takes VT as a replacement.
I think Yormark still has his eyes on UCONN for basketball. Maybe the B12 takes 3 ACC schools if Duke doesn't come over and then just takes UCONN.
I think the Big 12 will end up with Louisville, Pitt, Va Tech and NC State
Why would Tier 2 ACC flight risks move to the already Tier 2 BIG12?
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After the ACC destroyed the legendary, beloved Big East Conference...anything bad that happens to them is well-deserved poetic justice. And this started the beyond stupid trend of leagues no longer being at least somewhat regional...a friend of mine has a daughter playing a varsity sport at Rutgers, and instead of being able to drive to the vast majority of her road games, now they have to consider flying across the country to see her play...stream that!
a) What former BIGEAST school now in the ACC isn't in an Atlantic Coast state by a reasonable definition? Only L'VLLE?
b) The BIG8 killed the SWC and the BIG12 helped kill the PAC. What bad stuff would be well-deserved?
It was the Big XII adding West Virginia that started that
@@nathanjm000 The US Supreme Court indirectly caused the focus of conferences to shift from regional or academic instead to the biggest schools that attracted more eyeballs with the 1984 ruling in NCAA vs. Oklahoma Board of Regents. This led to the death of the SWC, the rise of the Big 12 and now we have greed run amuck. ESPN had a nice article on the demise of the SWC and what it all led to a few years back.
@@jbrock8596 I know but West Virginia was in another galaxy compared to the other Big XII schools
Louisville is def a Big12 candidate itll help with. Travel too for WVU. Pitt would be a good add for the big 12
You have to understand that ESPN would pay Pro-rata for power 5 schools added to the conference, they would most likely add Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NCSU, Pitt, Syracuse in my opinion. this would not dilute the football product, since they would get pro rata. you can look at this like a way for espn to cut the fat out of the ACC but still hold (most of) their rights.
The BIG12 used up its 4 pro rata slots.
Miami is just a name. Their following is small and they underperform in sports
i think miami is alot like notre dame minus the 100 year football prestige. small private school attended by the 1%. the u is probably better off as an independent, they can continue to play their northern rivals like penn state and notre dame and their southern ones plus their instate florida rivals
You sound goofy AF, but, carry on!
miami rivalry with penn st and notre dame?? lol
miami will be in the power 2 for sure.
@LilBoiPeep69 Miami can't even fill more than 2/3 of their own stadium. Who's going to pay to watch them
@@AC-im4hi similar to any large US city, when the teams isnt great the fans have a million other things they could do. you dont have the problem in a lincoln or state college aka BFE.
doesn’t mean they dony get ratings though
Talk about the ex Syracuse player who was arrested in the Diddy case
Ideally Pitt, Louisville, Duke and Syracuse. If NCSt & VT were available they might grab those plus Louisville & Duke.
Michigan and Ohio State would love a winnable road game in Atlanta right between Alabama and Georgia at GT. Don't underestimate the hotbed of recruiting in Georgia. Michigan already holds a recruiting camp in Atlanta each year. SEC also would not want those schools in their backyard each year.
Agreed! I mentioned this in the comments of a video a few months back. I said if Clemson, Florida State & Miami left for the SEC, don't be surprised if the SEC went after Georgia Tech as well to monopolize the pipeline (outside of UCF, who only just joined the Big XII).
All of them that’s the answer…. ACC needs to reject ESPN’s meddling with college athletes… disband and reform a new conference
Four SEC teams have major rivals in the ACC ( SC, Florida, Georgia, Ky) and one of those rivals is a founding member of the SEC (Georgia Tech)
Nobody is talking about NBC. I believe they have something up their sleeve
Stanford 2nd best is insane. FSU/Clemson should be at the top. UNC/Virginia will be next. Then, its a group of NCST, VT, Miami as next potential.
Clearly Tony needs to look at his weighting system given that Stanford placed so high in his model. When the real world (aka the experiment) proves your model wrong it’s time to look at what assumptions were made with weighting of the input variables. Maybe it’s an anomaly or outlier, fine, but it should be at minimum addressed.
If you’re going to have an opinion, at least try to have an informed one that is based on just a little bit research on these schools.
Not sure how these numbers were created. Pretty laughable.
The only 1 in major trouble is Wake Forest. They have very little to sale themselves to the other 3 conferences with. Even Wazzou & ORST are in a better position than they are.
What's the 3rd conference? We will either have a tiered P4 or only a relevant P2 and everyone else.
@@tarheel7406 Neither path involves the ACC so stop repeating yourself everywhere and embrace UNC's future move to the SEC or B1G.
@@xfacta334 There's now no feasible path that ends with a peer P3. If ACC teams are moving to the BIG12, the P2 will have consolidated deep/wide enough to separate from the rest.
@@tarheel7406 I didn't say it did. I said that NEITHER PATH you listed involves the ACC. The ACC is being systemically disbanded, no team will risk access to any level of stable ground to commit any futile attempts of holding it together.
@@xfacta334 Huh? You speak nonsense. The ACC either lightly depletes and survives as a peer Tier 2 in a P4 world ~or~ depletes heavily out to the SEC/B1G for a P2 world. Thats's material involvement and why "other 3 conferences" makes no sense in your original comment.
The lame, relatively irrelevant duck here is the BIG!2, which has already fully depleted out. The fate of the ACC essentially controls that of the new BIG12. Relevant or irrelevant Tier 2.
Look at Football viewership from 2016 - 2023: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Texas 4) Florida State. *Whom, how, and what determinates attractiveness. Ginger - These are “tv viewership” in football over a long period of time in tv viewership. The number’s you gave are limited snap shot. CAL, Stanford, and SMU were bottom feeders??? * They too were from Tony. Real data is helpful not B.S. made up “Attractiveness”.
Don't let any BYU fans see this. They will need counseling to see their attractiveness score vs Utah 😅
Nah. We know we’re valued. Also, look who it’s coming from. Tony Altimore is famously a huge BYU hater. And given his track record on being completely unable to be objective and unbiased in favor of the defunct pac 12, I’ll take this chart about as seriously as I took his prediction that the Pac 12 would sign a tv deal worth 50 million dollars a year per school.
@@dannyfootball3608 There's a reason why BYU had lingered outside of the P5 until the BIG12 was desperate. I respect BYU's principles, but it can't expect others to always accommodate. On the other hand, I can't see how Tony could have captured BYU's special situation in his figures.
Lmao Louisville is easily top 5. You can’t just be making up stuff
Louisville ain’t top 5 bud 🤣 They aren’t as low as this list puts them, but I can easily name 5 acc programs that are more desirable.
@@zachellenburg5738 FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC are the only ones you can say without debate. I’d argue to say if Dabo retires or leaves and Brohm stay’s Louisville could jump Clemson. Louisville is also 4th in revenue in the ACC. NC state is similar to Louisville but they don’t have the brand. Who do you think?
Excluding ND, Louisville is 5th. Including ND, they're 6th. They will get a call from all 3 conferences.
@@xfacta334I’m sorry, no. Louisville is only getting a call from the Big 12. Its viewership, market and revenue are nowhere near enough to be attractive to the Big 10 or SEC, and their academics alone would keep them out of the Big 10 (they almost didn’t get an offer from the ACC due to their academics.)
Traditional college sports fans should express, display their GREAT disappointment and ANGER that the NCAA and the conferences would SELL them OUT, after generations of loving and supporting their fav teams.
Fans should withdraw their support of university presidents that support the Sell Out...same for conference commissioners...demand their resignations. WE the sports fans, have the power to Close Them Down..they work for US.
My ANGER is directed toward the outrageous integration of the BIG10 & PAC12. 🤧🤒🤢🤮
Syracuse football has down, but the basketball program has a lot of prestige, and they have a very affluent alumni base and a bigger following in the northeast than any of the other teams available. I don't think it would be a stretch to see the Big 10 essentially 'trade' Rutgers for Syracuse; Rutgers is losing tens of millions every year in the Big 10, and Syracuse has a better basketball program, better history with the football program, and much better presence in the NYC area.
SU already got caught with their pants down when the first round of realignment happened in 2003, being all set to go to the ACC and then getting screwed out of it at the last minute, and they are said be very proactive behind the scenes to not let it happen again.
Blame that on Jim Boheim, a likable and great coach, but he said something about not wanting to join the ACC and that translated into Syracuse being snubbed.
@@UltraHumble Seems like the Big East is doing fine without SYR BB. Just ask UCONN or Nova. SYR should split FB and BB. The BE has surpassed the ACC in basketball and ACC football is trash.
@@DaMann-zm6kt UCONN is having a nice run but that's about it for Big East BBall. Somehow you didn't notice that one-fourth of the NCAA tournament was ACC, and half of the Final 4 was Duke and UNC in 2022 and that the ACC is in the Final 4 every year? The Big East is now UCONN and no one else like the SEC used to be Kentucky and no one else in BBall.
Miami is not a Big 10 team, Academics only, They should stay in the south, They would struggle, Florida State also.
Look up any Big 12 commentator on this topic and you’ll find out why Louisville is THE MOST ATTRACTIVE addition for their conference. Your charts are skewed by irrelevant factors. Duke and Stanford’s positions should’ve been a clue lmao. By Big 12 metrics, they’re hoping and praying that the Power 2 pass on Louisville because they’d immediately be one of the top earners and draws in the conference.
Eh, screw it. Disband the ACC entirely. Have Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, and all four NC schools go to the SEC. Have both VA schools, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC go to the B1G. As for the Big XII, have UCF go to the SEC and have UWV and Cincy go to the B1G. HOWEVER, put Memphis in the Big XII and have the Big XII pick off teams from the Mountain West. And, voila: three major Super Conferences.
I think conference re-alignment has less to do with how competetive a program is, but the television markets in a school's footprint. Georgia Tech is not getting left out if ACC implodes, I think Big 10 and Big 12 would be interested.
This is probably just because I’m more of a college hockey fan but I could see Boston College joining the big ten with the big ten having mens hockey and Boston College being a hockey school if BC would be able to leave hockey east to join the big ten along with the big ten getting into the Boston/New England market with BC being the only New England school currently in a power conference.
None of this stuff has anything to do with basketball. Its all about the big money sport.
Duke-Carolina Basketball rivalry is going no where. They do not need to be in the same Conference. They can still play a Home and Home each year. They are 8 miles apart. UNC, Virginia and Miami to Big 10. Possibly Clemson because SEC does not want them because of SC.
They need to be in the same cof I if they want a home and home series to continue most likely.
SEC def wants clemson
I doubt the Big 10 wants Clemson
How come every time you mention the schools that would be left behind would be a good fit in the big 12 also Miami is not a big 10 school and definitely not a SEC school. They are small private un relevant brand that does not play in their own stadium.
How could you post this obviously, ridiculous methodology used. it lessons your brand to post this
Stanford as number 2? This rating is a joke.
Would the SEC/B10 start kicking schools out of the conferences? I can see that happening sooner or later. Take a more profitable school and drop one that is less profitable.
How is the ACC "down" with 1/4 of the Sweet 16?!
sec, big 20 are the down conferences!😊
This metric is largely football-based. Football is the main driving force in making revenue.
@@patrickb33339Yeah football is fun but it ends in January. So what do you do for sports until April when BBall rules Jan - March and nothing compares to the NCAA BBall tournament? Watch movies, hopefully get outside? 4 ACC teams made the Sweet 16 this year, 3 of them from one locale - UNC, Duke, and NC State are Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill which are functionally one city. No one else does that. Minimum of one ACC team in the Final 4 as it is Duke vs. NC State, and maybe Clemson makes it for half of the Final 4. Unusual? No, as just 2 years ago with UNC and Duke as half of the Final 4. Yes, UNC flubbed this year, but that happens and still possibly half of the Final 4 is ACC. The sports year includes BBall, and despite the fake the "ACC is down" stuff, when it come to wins in the NCAA BBall tournament, the ACC is not down but way way up.
@@UltraHumble This thinking is why the ACC is trash. Football is king. So glad Maryland left.
@@jamessanders6788 Duderorosker, you know that you are doing false bravado, that you are filling out your brackets like everyone else when NCAA tournament time comes around. And the Terps used to be a Thing in BBall, but now are not in the B1G. Your world dies once FBall season ends in January.
Definitely right that BC and Wake Forest are not in a good position for realignment, basically just holding on
Big12 is not adding Syracuse,
Id love to see Stanford and Cal get screwed. Theyre the ones who let the Pac12 fall apart by allowing Larry Scott to destroy the conference.
Prove it
PAC 12 fell apart because USC and UCLA left
@zachellenburg5738 Stanford and Cal blocked expansion. Larry Scott mismanaged TV deals and the PAC12 Network. Their presidents refused to fire him.
Georgia Tech has solid academics are research theyd be SEC bound. Its about reaserch and academics too thats why stanford and cal are popular as well as uva
It's also about endowments, that's why the SEC really wanted UT
SEC would not take Georgia and GT. It also would take Clemson and SC. UGA was advancing their offerings in the STEM fields and GT got mad about it. They did not want to compete with UGA in technology. Why would UGA boost GT in sports?
I feel like BC and Wake would join the Big East and probably go independentin football like Uconn, I could also see Syracuse doing this.
UConn would tell BC FU for all the times they wouldn't let the Huskies join the ACC
@@donaldpalugaYep. BC will never be allowed back into the big east.
This is complete crap.
The ACC isn't going anywhere.
We're down to 4 major conferences now.
Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, SMU, California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
It is laughable to see so many ACC teams so high on this list. If the ACC had value, it would not be imploding. The SEC already dominates the southern market. Clemson, GT, FSU can forget about joining the SEC. Maybe the B10 would like second tier school in those markets- maybe not.
Big 10 will grab the best media markets and fit. That gives you a couple of options but I feel they don’t expand beyond 4 of the six options: BC, GT, UNC, Duke, VT, and UVA. BC gives you Boston, GT gives you Atlanta, UNC and Duke give you Raleigh/Durahm and VT/UVA secure the DC market further. Remember the Big 10 network has riders on revenue increases based on media markets where the league is active
What's going to happen is a Super conference will become SO huge that they'll split into divisions called Big Ten, Southeastern, Southwest, Pacific, Atlantic....yeah, it'll all come full circle and people will be asking what it was all about to begin with.
You have to consider 2024 projections. Syracuse football will be up in 2024 after a couple bowl seasons in a row.
Football is a large large part of this but you guys have got look at the bigger picture. Stanford is mediocre at best 9.5 outta 10 years no question but look at the potential tv numbers when they get that home game with FSU or Clemson Ohio St etc. Those teams have tons of fans that live in cali that are gonna buy tix when they come to town or tune in when they usually wouldn't bother. Prime example I'm a season ticket holder for GaTech (I f'n hate tech) but it's cheaper to buy season tix and resale the 2 -3 big game tix than to just buy tix for the Miami game
When a "source" lists Mich St, Wisconsin, Tamu, Tennessee and Stanford among others as more attractive realignment schools than Clemson or Fsu, you gotta instantly question its veracity lol. Lets be real
You should watch WildUte (on Big 12 Mafia) breakdown realignment candidates.
I could definitely see the Big 10 open to adding GT but, only after Duke, UNC
Also, Deion Sanders is going to help deliver Miami to the big 12
I don't know how this attractiveness score is created, but if it's accurate at all, then everyone from Syracuse up the list on the ACC is more attractive than more than half of the Big 12, and the bottom of the SEC. And the top third of the ACC is more attractive than the bottom half of the SEC, and the bottom third of the Big 10.
So let's just throw it all out and go back to ten-team geographic-based conferences.
The ACC isn't going anywhere.
Weve only got 4 major conferences left for football.
Honest question: what schools would fit properly in a College Football Association? Just bypass the conference thing altogether. I'm thinking 80 to 92 schools.
if the Big 12 is looking for basketball value it wouldn't go with syracuse it would add uconn if anything.
if i can choose at most 4 teams from the ACC for the BIG 12 is North Carolina, NC State, Duke, and Louisville. I would take Miami but they just don't make my list. Of course, this won't happen. But I can dream. lol
BC, Syr, Pitt will go Big East!,
Loss of ND schedule with ACC. How many sale out did ACC teams had with ND games?
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conf championship good fit for big 12
I think the would keep 16 teams but who knows now a days Money talks so who knows
Could the ACC poach teams from the AAC such as South Florida ECU …
UNC, Clemson, FSU and Miami to the sec. UNC and duke will still play every year
Unc and Duke have to be in the same conference
He has no idea what he’s talking about lol way to just copy and paste someone else’s content
Miami isn’t that desirable of a school
B1G and SEC may implode if they take on any other teams.
Stanford has the largest endowment in D1, It suprasses the GDP of about half the nations on the planet, they dont need any network contracts. If the ACC imploded Stanford and Cal would probably be the first two into the Big10, provided ND went as well (in every sport but football, they'll try to remain independent for CFB)
Endowments aren’t used for athletics typically, and Stanford likely wouldn’t be keen on using tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars of it on the entire athletic department because they can’t secure a tv deal.
While they are rich and academically inclined, they suck at generating revenue with football, that’s about all that matters. That’s why they weren’t invited by the big 10 when they had the opportunity with cal, neither of those schools add anything.
Hell purdue and Rutgers probably get better tv ratings than the Bay Area schools:
Stanford has one football thing the others lack, and that's the rivalry with ND that ND values and would be a prerequisite for ND to join the B10. FSU and Clemson have puny $1B endowments which is why they are always money grabbing for position. Stanford has the Stanford cup athletics which doesn't typically bring eyes but it does bring interest to the decision makers who vote on conference members.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp no it doesn’t, because they wouldn’t be trapped in the ACC if anyone gave a shit about any of that. It’s money, and Stanford football doesn’t generate enough.
Big12 even passed on Stanford, cal
Given claims Altimore made about PAC before their implosion, I would take his assessments with a grain of salt. Plus even after that his 'realignment attractiveness' is ranking Stanford above multiple teams the B1G took is a red flag on his evaluation methods.
It's amazing that Tony didn't apparently adjust his values and weights given his track record. Maybe more accurate from a "generic ballot" perspective, but conferences have materially different perspectives.
The limit of teams these conference should have, should be 20 teams.
B10: FSU, Norte Dame
SEC: Clemson, NC State, Carolina, Duke
Big XII: Miami, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech
a) Is that ACC depletion heavy enough to release ND?
b) Is that ACC depletion to the P2 heavy enough to get remainders to move to the already Tier 2 BIG12?
0:46 Did not know the Great Salt Lake was that big in Utah
Ginger how do you upload like 5 times a day
Where would we go for non football? Big east?
Notre Dame as it is now will probably hold the ACC together. The ACC is the only conference willing to take Notre Dame without the football team. So if the ACC was to deplode, Notre Dame would be left high and dry with its other sports. Unless Clemson, North Carolina, and a few others don't want to play the Irish in one of those five mandatory football games, I see them staying in the ACC. So if that is not enough to keep the conference together I don't see any other Conference willing to let Notre Dame join and keep the Football team independent, it may force ND to include the football team in joining a conference, in that case ND will join the Big Ten. It is the only good fit for the Irish, since most of its traditional rivals will now be in the Big Ten.
It's important to note that the addition of CAL & STANFORD was mostly to sate ND, which most likely had to provide assurances of remaining associated to get those votes. ND is betting on lite ACC depletion to keep a strong enough schedule and football indy.
The dilutive expansion created an argument that the GOR was breached and creates a path for the ACC to deplete out in smaller waves. ND delays the inevitable.
PAC 12 may have a brighter future than the ACC.
ACC contract will be shit without FSU, UNC, Clemson.
The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted. Should be no change in that scenario.
Big12 needs into Texas
SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC
What’s a big 12 type team ?
Tony Altimore is terrible
Anyone who gets left out should go back a super conference with Oregon State and Washington state.
Georgia Tech is a potential Big 10 grab
Syracuse and BC should just rejoin the Big East
Miami Virginia Tech Wake Forest Geogia Tech could all join the Big East
Who would add Duke
Is there a move that keeps the ACC intact as a power conference? I wonder if the ESPN deal has a Notre Dame clause that would increase the payout or force a renegotiation if they join in football.
No. The only move was ND joining and they declined already. It's over.
The ACC survives as a "power" as long as the new BIG12 does. If the ACC depletes out so much to lose "power" status, #3 won't matter.
SEC could take FSU, Clemson, and NC State One other
Big 12 takes Cal, Stanford, SMU, and one other
Pitt is in much better hands than you think. There’s plenty of directions they can go plus with someone like Heather Lyke running the program they’re not getting left out. Feel like you’re missing plenty of information on them.
B1G have ZERO interest in them, neither does SEC. Only alternative is Big 12 or new ACC.
@@fanman71 I wouldn’t want the big 10 to begin with honestly but I feel confident Pitt will have a home somewhere.
@@gavincooney151 Pitt would crawl over broken glass to be in the B1G, by far much, much more lucrative & stable than ACC, but there is ZERO desire for Pitt in the B1G as PSU covers state of PA already. It's pretty much Big 12 (w/ WVU) or bust for them.
For the B1G, PITT would be last resort filler to get to a target number, and I don't see the SEC going that far north given plenty of other options.
On the other hand, PITT will likely be a determiner of whether the ACC survives as a Tier 2 or not. I see no purpose in the P5 remainders consolidating into a weak Tier 2 BIG12, but they may want to try.
@@fanman71 That alone PSU being the more desirable place to play for higher state recruits over Pitt would be why given PSU being the show in the town in State College over Pitt essentially being a pro town and also Pitt being in the Big 10 doesn’t better themselves as an athletic program in general due to how little they recruit those big 10 areas. They’re more east/southeast coast in terms of where their recruits come from.
I love in NC.carolinas ACC should just be unc ncsu WF .ecu ,usc app st coastal carolina . Clemson duke VA VT
Smu easy
GT wiould be in the Big 10, but I don't see the ACC going away. We will replace Clemson and F$U with someone like Arizona, WVU, UCF, Kansas.
None of those 4 would leave the safety of the B12 to drown with the ACC. The only teams looking to join that mess now are G5s that hope they can leverage whatever is left after the implosion.....
I like Depressed Ginger so much more when he is not talking politics. It does not matter if one is a left-winger or a right-winger. I watch videos like this to avoid politics.
Wake Forest (where two of my relatives went) is going to get so screwed by all of this realignment. Others will be screwed, too, but WF is a given imo.
Pitt should go to the big 10 so penn state has a rivalry other than Maryland and Rutgers
Pitt will go to the Big 12. The BIG doesn't want them. FSU and ND is their dream scenario.
If Pitt gets in, that won’t be why.
Pitt cannot compete in ACC or the old Big EAST. In the B10 they might not win a game and continue to be a bottom feeder.
The BIG doesn't want Pitt
@@pitchshot2868do some research! They played for the champ 2 years ago.
big 10 should add Notre Dame and Stanford, which makes the conference 20 teams, we should then get rid of Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwestern then replace them with Virginia tech, Pitt, and Louisville, I don't think the big 10 would be able to FSU, Clemson, or Miami
They already tried, but ND doesn't want to give up CFB independence and Stanford won't join without an invitation for their main rival CAL, plus they weren't very happy with B10 shenanigans. That could all change if ACC implodes.
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp oh that makes sense I was confused why they never added Stanford, but I’d tell Stanford they can still play cal and make millions more by joining the B1G
As a SEC guy. I would love to see Miami, Duke, UNC, and Louisville all in the conference because of the rivalry that UNC Duke and Louisville have with Kentucky which is my team in basketball.
Unc the only 1 that’s good enough to be in the sec