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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ธ.ค. 2020
- Here's my 2019 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid XSE. I'm performing some tests to see how the rear electric motor(MGR) performs in off road conditions. The configuration of the RAV4's AWD system is both its strength and its weakness. The rear wheels are 100% electric but the motor only has 54 horsepower and 89 lb ft of torque. Off road the rear motor is the vehicle's Achilles Heel. Let's see how it performs.
Location: Ocotillo Wells, California
Wheels: Black Rhino Barstow 17x8
Tires: BF Goodrich All-Terrain 245/65/17(31 PSI)
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I think its a great video. No music and no commentary, just how the car actually performs on dirt. I don't think i'm ever going to really run off road to any great extent, but now I can have an idea how it might handle in a pinch.
Thank you!
The best offroad video I've seen so far. Thank you!
You're welcome!
TOFTT Thank you for doing such an exhaustive test of the MGR. It really shows the upper limit of relatively stock config (w/ good wheels and tires) R4H can do in a loose soil offroad situation.
Thank you for the test! I understood RAV4 Hybrid E-four capability.
You're welcome :)
Good video. No unnecessary BS chit chat. Straight to the point. Very informative. Thanks.
Thanks! I like to get to the point. I find the typical youtube style video pretty silly. Also, don't forget to support my Patreon and smash that like button.
Very helpful. Thank you so much for making it.
My pleasure!
THANK YOU for listing the tires. So many reviews don't bother
And you're the winner!
Great video men.
Thanks!
Love those wheels.
Thanks!
Thanks for showing us these tests. I have one comment though about the test at about the 2:27 mark. It seems to me you are trying to "Crawl" up a steep dirt hill. And while I appreciate being able to see how well that works. I have to say I am not surprised by the amount of wheel spin and backsliding. It is after all, not a crawler in a true sense, it has (even in this case) relatively narrow wheels and a fairly short wheel base, and relatively low ground clearance and articulation. If I encountered a similar hill with my Rav in the wild, I imagine I would take it on with a bit of a run up and use my momentum to help rather than try to "crawl" it.
It's also important to consider how this transmission works. The Hybrid uses a transaxle which has NO changing gears, no pulleys no belts. It is a "CVT" in function but not in form. Rather than use adjustable cone pulleys, belts and chains, or meshing different gear sets this transaxle uses two electric motors to assist the engine across the RPM range. 1 Motor is engaged to provide power by adding it's torque to the final output. The other motor is mated in opposition to the input shaft from the engine, by a planetary gear set and depending on the situation either spins with the motor, idles in place or spins backwards against the motor (all at varying speeds and torques to produce a smooth power band) to change the output of the planetary system based on what's going on with that sun gear vs planet gears vs anulus(or carrier) gear. (This is also why the engine cannot be used to go in reverse, there is no way to change to a reverse gear, so the engine is disconnected and the motors spin backwards to give you reverse)
What that all means is there is no "real" low range capability of the transaxle, only as much torque multiplication as the smaller motor scan generate by running the planetary gears in concert with the engine to produce an "under drive" effect.
For that reason I would generally not bother trying to crawl anything with these systems anymore than I would bomb through rough terrain at 50 mph. A nice steady pace, giving the computer time to adjust the motors to produce gearing effects, is typically going to best serve the Rav4 Hybrid/prime offroad in my opinion.
Thanks for the info. I purchased this vehicle because of the technical description you provided. I am an expert off roader and I purchased this vehicle as a technological experiment. This isn't a "can the RAV get up the hill" test. It can. This video is to SPECIFICALLY test the MGR.
MGR = Motor/Generator REAR
What settings do you recommend for this vehicle for sand driving? How can I engage the back wheels as much as possible? Trail mode with Vsc and traction control off? Manual 1st gear?
Very good explanation sir just like the one on Weber state university from Utah
@@Gabriel.A1 well before I bought mine when I was doing my research I actually watched that video and that's how I learned most of what I know about how it works.
For better handling I was thinking of adding rear stabilizer bar and a front strut brace what are your thoughts? You think this would hamper off road capability?
I've wondered about that too. I assume anything you add to stiffen the suspension would affect off road ability. What we need is adjustable suspension so we can have the best of both worlds! :)
I have almost the same setup, I find it super capable, I've done some crazy hill climbs!
I agree! That electric torque is so good. It's almost like having a low range transfer case.
I totally agree, I live in Southern Utah, and there is way to much off roading around here to not take advantage of it. I want to shoot some of what I've done but it seems like such a hassle to get out and reset the tripod all the time
@@nathanriddle4190 Oh yeah. It's a mission all on it's own to record everything. Hard to do when you're having fun driving.
Well if you ever make it this way, hit me up, and I will show you some stellar trails! Also I have a bnb you could stay in
With this configuration, does it increase the ground clearance? I have a curt hitch and was wondering if I get a setup similar to this will it increase clearance so the hitch doesn't sit so low and scrape
With the bigger tires I get about a half inch increase in ride height. So basically, nothing you would notice. Your hitch will still scrape in certain situations. I drag the exhaust pipes from time to time. Those are the lowest point for scraping the ground. Also the front bumper is pretty long and low. You definitely need to be careful when going over big bumps. Going at an angle is the best way to avoid scraping. I've considered chopping off the tail pipes to be more flush with the vehicle. This would be an effort to increase departure angle. But for now I'll just scrape them up. Let's people know I take it off road :)
In a lot of these clips as soon as wheel slip occurs you let off the throttle. I find that if you stay on it the traction control will solve those problems. This is coming from my experience in a FWD 2019 tho so might be different with AWD. Hell when I go up to my dirt hill trail I lose all speed from it being rutted and it being decently steep, I keep my foot to the bottom of the pedal and it finds a way(it won't rev the engine super high since traction control is deciding what to do).
Oh yes I totally agree. In this test, I was trying to create traction problems. This was to show how the rear electric motor(MGR) would engage in slippery situations. When I'm actually trying to get up the hill, I definitely stay on the throttle. Like you said, the traction control will figure it out. Which is pretty impressive. I've found that there's a big difference between normal mode and trail mode. I've been totally stuck with the throttle fully pressed with normal mode. All I do is enable trail mode and the traction control stops the wheel spin and the vehicle moves forward. This is especially true on diagonal slopes where one front wheel and one rear wheel lose traction.
I'm guessing this was with the stock suspension that's 'sport' tuned? Or is that just the 2022 XSE Hybrid? If yours does have this same suspension, how was the ride quality while off road?
Yes, it's stock sport suspension. I actually prefer the stiffer ride off road. It's a little more bumpy over the little bumps. But there's less chance of bottoming out with the big bumps, which I like. Plus if you want to drive a little more sporty, it feels great. Even with the big heavy tires, it's pretty fun in the corners.
There does seem to be some sagging in the rear suspension. I've read that is normal over time. I've driven long distances with the weight maxed out so that probably didn't help. I plan to replaced the rear springs at some point. But with 86k miles so far, I'm not complaining.
Cool test! I almost wonder if a software update could remap the electric motors about and help to align power more effectively.
I totally agree. I think Toyota plays it safe since the motors are connected directly to the wheels through reduction gears. There's no torque converter to act as a buffer between the motor and wheels. Also let's say the a software update would allow the front motor to shut off completely to allow rear wheels to have traction, the rear motor definitely doesn't have enough power to move the vehicle up a hill on its own. I do think there's more potential though. I never ran into an issue of low power, just traction. I'm actually using very little throttle to get up the hill going forward. The eCVT is very good at picking the correct "gear". However in reverse, I was foot to the floor. As you can see, much less power in reverse. A lot of these issue should be resolved with the RAV4 PRIME. Since it has a much larger and more capable battery, the electric motors simply have more power.
@@benweber31 very true that’s why Toyotas last a long time. Most JDM companies limit the full potential to reduce damage. Similar with Subarus check out my hill climb attempt granted I probably could have done it... I didn’t want to slide into the bank. Subscribed man! I bet though if they could engage the motors differently with a remap you could get better traction, tires and psi also make a huge difference too. th-cam.com/video/hHlJsCzAtLo/w-d-xo.html
Is there any part of the tires rubbing against the wheel well?
Zero rubbing, ever.
For all your actual off-roaders, would the added weight of more people inside the vehicle give it better traction?
Potentially yes in certain situations like ice. But the moment you point it up a hill, the added weight defeats the traction. Same with going downhill too. I used to think heavy was good off road until I got a 3 ton 4x4. Lighter seems to be better, just like on the road.
Did you try the same things in normal mode? Another channel found Normal mode is better for off-road in some situations for some reason.
Yeah I tried all modes and combinations. I use normal most of the time when I'm off road. I only use trail mode if I get stuck.
Great video. What is the size of the tires? And did you have to use a lift kit? How much clearance added with those tires? Thank you. Sorry for asking a lot of questions.
Thanks! Tires are 245/65/17. No lift kit, stock suspension. The aftermarket tires are about 1 inch taller than the stock tires. So the lift from the tires would be about a half inch. The main reason I got the tires was for puncture resistance. I've had a lot of flats with stock tires while on the trail. I've never had a flat with BF Goodrich All Terrains.
@@benweber31 thank you. Now I’m way more convinced to get the rav4 hybrid.
@@MrCarlsson86 You really can't go wrong. It's definitely the best all around vehicle that I've owned.
@Red Zero wheel rub ever.
@Red I saw 2-3 MPG drop after the new tires and wheels were installed.
Hey! What is your mpg now? Thanks Luke
I'm getting 33-40 MPG.
Were the tires aired down?
Tires: BF Goodrich All-Terrain 245/65/17(31 PSI)
I never go off reading but I really like the look of thoese beefy tires. Will thoese tires be good for just traveling on the freeway and to use it as a daily driver? is there any downsides of having these
tires as opposed as the ones that come with the suv? Also did u lifted it? Thank u
Will I loose a lot of mpg?
I really like the look too. There are some downsides to having the bigger tires. More road noise, handles worse, accelerates and brakes slower, worse MPG and of course more expensive. I don't have a lift, all stock suspension.
I wanted puncture resistance for driving on the trails. So for me, the trade offs were worth it.
@@benweber31 thank you for your response:) love the looks of your rav 4, what model do u have? I'm debating between the le ad xle hybrid..
Arw u planning on getting a rack and a hitch? Can you please tell me if I can go offroading with the tires you have and also do I need to lifted to go offroading or not really?? ..if I don't have to lifted even better:)
What's the brand and size of your tires and rims?? I wanna get exactly the ones you have...
You don't have any problems with tires rubbing or anything??
So all you did was swap the OEM tires and rims for the ones you have without modifying shocks or anything else?? Sorry for all the questions
@@futbol1972 Thanks! I've got an XSE hybrid. You can definitely hit the trails with a totally stock vehicle. I used mine quite a bit on the trails with stock tires. I decided to upgrade when I got a flat. I really don't want to use the flimsy spare tire if I'm out in the wilderness. It is not lifted. Just wheels and tires. The wheels are Rhino Barstow 17x8 and tires are BF Goodrich all terrain 245/65/17. No rubbing ever. I actually put one of the stock wheels in the spare tire location. It fits perfectly. I feel much better having a full size spare tire.
@@futbol1972 I'm not sure about the rack and hitch. In my experience, most people don't use them. I prefer to have the advantage of less weight, less wind noise and more aerodynamic with no rack. I think I would only get a hitch to mount bigger spare tire. But if you just like the look, then it's all good. :)
@@benweber31 thank u:)
I've always found it annoying on mine when the front wheels are spinning in snow and the rear wheels are on dry pavement, not even trying. I'll be in a Walmart parking lot in like 5 inches of snow, completely stuck.
Yeah that's definitely the down side to the electric rear motor. Hopefully they will give it more power in the future. I'm curious if trail mode would help in the snow situation you described. All other modes let the wheels spin freely.
question, did you turn off traction control on this one?
I used trail mode for most of the video. Turning traction control off gets you stuck really fast. The all wheel drive system can't really mechanically move power around. The system relies heavily on traction control to control wheel slip. Trail mode allows the wheels to spin more than normal, but also stops excessive wheel spin to send power to the wheels with traction. This really works. In situations where I've got 2 wheels off the ground diagonally, you totally get stuck in normal mode. Foot to the floor, wheels spinning, no forward movement. Press the trail mode button and it's sort of like locking the differentials...sort of. Now the brakes will more aggressively stop wheel spin and the vehicle moves forward. Pretty cool. Although I'd just rather have a real locking differential. :)
So with awd and tossed tires the rav 4 could not make it up the small slope?
@@futbol1972 It can make it up if you actually tried to. I was trying to get the wheels to spin to test the AWD system.
Ben Weber you can make it up 2:56 and. 3:20?
@@firstglance5204 Probably with a little more speed it could be possible. I'm not sure it could do it in reverse though. Reverse uses the electric motors only. The vehicle has much less power in reverse. That section of the hill was very sandy. I liked it because I could get the wheels to spin easily. Right next to that spot is where I went up normally. It's at 4:18. I could have very easily gone over the hill. It's not very exciting, so I wanted more wheels slip. But as an example, that's what it looks like if you actually try to get up the hill.
What’s the tire size?
245/65/17
What size tires
245/65/17
are trail mode is 4x4?
It's always in 4x4 mode. Trail mode is just more aggressive with traction control so you can get unstuck.
is it lifted?
Nope. Stock suspension.
its pretty good at raising dust.
That it does! Personally, I love playing in the dirt. :)
Is it stock height or lifted
Stock suspension.
How is the fitment what's the offset
@@richromario Not sure. Here's what I got:
Wheels: Black Rhino Barstow 17x8
Tires: BF Goodrich All-Terrain 245/65/17(31 PSI)
There is an important operation that you have overlooked. When climbing a steep slope, you must turn off vsc & trc while using the trail mode.
I do test with VSC and trac off. I should have included it in this video. I figured it was pointless if I was just stuck. You can see how this works in my latest video. The free wheels just spin out of control. Which IS super fun for burning rubber :)
There aren't many situations that I know of where it is advantageous to turn off VSC and TRAC. I only turn them off in deep sand or snow. In modern 4x4s, they seem to do quite well at stopping wheel spin. Almost as well as locking differentials in some cases. This is not the case with the RAV4 Hybrid. The traction control WILL NOT completely stop and hold a spinning wheel. I suspect this is to prevent damage.
Turning off VSC and TRAC is hella fun if you want to do some rally driving or slide around. I turned them off for my reverse snow donuts video.
Air the tires down to about 15psi (FJ owner) beed locker rims. Ko2s or wildpeaks ..if all else fails ... traction boards.
I do need to try that. I've definitely done that with past 4x4 vehicles. I didn't have confidence in my air compressor in this situation though. You need a pretty hefty compressor to be sure in my experience. Also I don't have bead lockers. This was a test to show the engagement of the electric rear motor(MGR). I was definitely trying to create traction loss to show how the electric AWD and traction control would engage. I will do another test with the tires down to 15psi to show the difference. Thanks for the comment! :)
@@benweber31 yeah, for sure need to air down. Don't really need beadlocks. I think dropping to 20psi would be a vast improvement. ~15 works well too, but now you're risking issues w/ the sidewalls blowing out if you drive too fast and generate too much heat.
@@styledliving I totally agree. It's really amazing how much airing down makes. In other 4x4s I go down to 15 psi no problem in sand and rocks.
I've never really gone below 30 psi on the RAV because normally the tires are not the weakest link. Right now ground clearance is the weakest link.
@@benweber31 FWIW when I used to go fourwheeling, I'd air down to around 12 psi and never lost a bead but that was with pretty big tires. Once I got bead locks I'd go down as low as 5-8 psi. In your case I'd feel very comfortable going down to 20 on those tires for sure, and perhaps even 15 assuming just loose surfaces like that.
4WD adds a constant front axle drive as most of them are RWD in 2WD this seems to be like a traction control for the rear, its not constant and this car is FWD
Unless it's a rivian truck?
@@benweber31 what? if rivian has a AWD system and its constant than its 4WD if anything even the RAV4 has a trail mode that makes the AWD more agressive.
@@lethenparkesTeamRacc The Rivian truck has 4 motors, 1 for each wheel. Not constant.
@@benweber31 so it overly engineers a concept of a differential? to achieve somewhat the same purpose of a setup with two differentials and traction control. can they lock two motors or four to run constant to simulate a diff lock?
@@lethenparkesTeamRacc yeah its basically open differentials. I’m not a big fan. Mechanical is the way to go. Unless each motor is powerful enough to simulate 800hp to each wheel. Which its not.
The RAV4 isn’t an off-road car by any means. It’s good enough for certain thing trails but it’s no 4Runner or Tacoma.
Odd, that's not what the brochure said! What a rip off. I wonder if it's too late to return it?
the gasoline model will even perform much better, especially the Adventure model.
Oh for sure! Don't forget about the TRD, it's got the better shocks.
im going trade my gas 2021 for hybird once all the covid stuff is over and they are back to having cars. and il do it at the end of the year
You'll love it!
на сколько в машине увеличен клиренс?
Около 22 см с большими шинами.
The RAV4 is not an off road vehicle - its a vehicle that can power all 4 wheels - big difference
That IS a big difference! Thanks!
Although I do think that the name is accurate. RAV4 stands for Recreational Activity Vehicle with 4 wheel drive.
@@benweber31 ..I'm still buying one :-)
Need comparison with other SUVｓ
I agree. I have a feeling that the CRV hybrid would do better because it has a real awd system.
I feel sad cause my wife won't let me swap the xse rims so I can add meatier tires
Aww bummer. You can still put some bigger tires on the stock wheels.
If only it could put power down evenly. That hill doesn't look that difficult
I agree! If all of the wheels were locked together, it would crawl right up. Probably wouldn't even have to start the gas engine.
Lol he went up the hill .. in reverse.. LOL
AND forward ;)
I think if you threat it more like a FWD vehicle you will get to all the remote places you need and beyond
I totally agree. This vehicle will get most people to where they want to go. I think it's more fun to push the limits of a vehicle vs never coming close to the limits.
@@benweber31 exactly!
everyone could do a trail in a Jeep but seeing a lifted Hybrid Rav4 on all terrains is something unique too!
@@moonsapling It's fun to be unique! On top of that, I've got the XSE, which is the pretty SPORT model. No ugly unpainted plastics on the bumpers. I've scraped the paint a few times on the front bumper while off road. I like to have just a touch of superficial trail damage so people know I'm not afraid to beat it up. :)
@@benweber31
Why even buy an SUV if you wont offroad it hehe!
Would love to see a video of you on a trail with your Rav4 Hybrid!
@@moonsapling I agree! I think most SUV owners like the extra space, safety and the occasional utility that they offer. Plus most consumers prefer form over function so looks have a lot to do with it. It's the cool modern station wagon! HAHA
I tried to shoot some video on a difficult trail(for a RAV4) yesterday, but there were too many trees down and too much snow still. I'll try to get out and shoot some more video as soon as I can. Any request??
it's normal you need 4x4 to get on the top.
Speed is key when on rocky sandy stuff like this. Even a 4x4 with lockers will just dig holes until you are stuck. My quad is 2WD and I go up the same hill all the time, but with speed. This was to test the unconventional REAR ELECTRIC MOTOR in the RAV4 Hybrid.
Reverse does not use electric motors only. All the weight shifts to the front end when backing up a hill which allows the electric rear motor to spin the wheels easier and we all know the CVT trans can't spin front wheel drive wheels in reverse. Get a clue.
The transmission doesn't have a reverse gear. The vehicle can only go backwards via the 2 electric motors. These are MG2 and MGR. The gas engine only acts as a generator when the vehicle is in reverse. The gas engine cannot turn the wheels in reverse, ever. This is fully explained in this video:
th-cam.com/video/O61WihMRdjM/w-d-xo.html
@@benweber31 Really? And the front wheel drive only versions of the Hybrid RAV4 or any Toyota for that matter, how do they reverse? Fred Flintstone style?
@@shitvalancheofdivercity14-.-88 It uses the electric motor on the front axle for reverse. Hybrids have always been this way. Do your homework.
Thank you for posting these tests. There hasn't been much info available on offroad capability of the rav4 hybrid, which makes me worry about pushing the limits. If anyone is interested in tests in mud I posted some today: th-cam.com/play/PLMs_dCUbhDgqgm97XmrVfsUn_fhGCT8Qt.html
Thanks! Nice video. I've always wanted to do that. What I DON'T want to do is remove all of the plastic cladding from the bottom of the car to get the 100 lbs of mud out.
in case "electric motors only" this car use always electric motor only :) there is no any direct conect between gas engine and wheels .
In forward motion with the gas engine running, MG1 regulates the ratio of the transmission. If MG1 is completely stopped, the ratio is 1:1. This happens at about 60 MPH. The engine power goes directly through the the transmission to the front wheels. Only in reverse and EV mode is the vehicle only moved with electric motors only(MG2 and MGR). Sometimes the vehicle will be in a sort of EV mode with the gas engine running as a generator. This happens at slow speeds only. Here's a great video to explain the very cool T710 transmission:
th-cam.com/video/O61WihMRdjM/w-d-xo.html
So, seems like its not great on offroad then huh?
Correct. Even the non hybrid RAV4 would be much better off road. Driving the hybrid off road requires more skill.
But still not bad for a vehicle that is intended as a SUV and not a pure off-road vehicle!
@@robertwa1975 actually its pathetic t be honest with you. True its first and foremost about the fuel economy nd at that its great. I dont expect it to climb rocks and dirt but you can clearly see in the video on flat with front wheel spin there is no activation of rear wheels. How is this going to work for me on snow/ice? the car here has an agressive off road tire, should to better.
@@robertduklus6555 I have an XLE 2020 and it has done very well in Sand, mud, etc I have not tried rocks or crawling. Ordered a bash plate, and lift to try rocks and see how it does . Note: all I have done is on stock wheels and tires. So far I have been very impressed.
miguel ochoa you also have hybrid? Looking into either hybrid or gas with some mild offroading/dirt road probly once or twice a month
Toyota needs to stop playing around and at 40k should have a true 4x4 ot at least and electronic lock differential.
That would be so awesome!
No, the electric motors at the back are more efficient, and more reliable in the long run.
@@hedgehogthesonic3181 put a locker on the electric motor! :)
@@benweber31 Maybe they could have done that, we will see in the future.
I think that a rear locking differential would fix most things, that and a fender liner that can accommodate 285/75R17s.
The 2020 RAV4 is actually larger in terms of dimensions as the 3rd Gen T4R from 1996-2002 except in height.
4Runner
length 178.7"
width 70.9"
height 69.3"
curb weight 3940lbs
RAV4
length 180.9"
width 73"
height 67.2"
curb weight 4300lbs Prime
3780lbs Hybrid
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Couldn't go up the hill...uhhhh...unbelievable, what a shame 😕
Should have got a real 4x4! Oh well.
❗️❕ 4x4 ≠ Awd ❕❗️
Exactly. Put some lockers on it!
turn off traction control
I tried that and it pretty much makes it one wheel drive. In that kind of terrain with traction control off, one of the front tires will spin and you wont go anywhere. Welcome to a totally different kind of 4x4! :)
Toyotas so called AWD system is probably the worst one on the market
Totally! I am curious how it compares to the Mitsubishi Outlander Hybrid AWD system.
Honest I dont know why ppl buy this car AWD...I ordered mine FWD hybrid...save me 5k lmao...
It's nice that they have that option for people that don't want AWD. Personally, I would never buy this vehicle FWD. In the US, you actually can't buy the hybrid FWD version. You have to get the gas only version if you want FWD.
@@benweber31 yea I know with the snow and all the AWD would be much better ofcourse. But I live in Australia...we have nothing but roads and occasionally muds or bad roads like the outback where I'm living. I should had made it clearer that my comment were more toward the Australian market lol. People buy top of the range hybrid AWD here and I have no clue why....they barely need it.
As for me I were going for petrol/gasoline FWD but on the day of placing the order i found out it only cost me $2k5 extra to get hybrid and within the first 80k kms it's already paid off for the hybrid system so it's a no brainer to upgrade to hybrid. This bugger cost an arm and a leg so I wouldn't spend extra 5k on something I barely use lol...even FWD the Australian model hybrid version got more grunt than the petrol... 2.0l vs 2.5l engine bit more torque and horsepower.
@@TezNguyen ah thanks for more details. Very cool that you are from Australia. I've always wanted to visit. I think the FWD version would be great. You still get the ground clearance, suspension travel, bigger tires, more towing, more cargo, etc. Plus, you'll get better mileage with less weight, less mechanical drag and less wiring. And you can still do reverse donuts :)
@@benweber31 yea mate so the one I got cost $47540 AUD with on road costs. Throw in the AWD system that would be come almost $54k. Now for an average bloke like me that's an arm and a leg lol. Had to trade in me old car + deposit to be able to afford it. Need an SUV for the family cant drive the hatchback anymore...
Depends on the weather where you live and what you use it for. If you live somewhere where it never snows or you never take it to the beach or off the beaten path then yeah you don't need an AWD.
Yes a lot of people buy 4x4's of which may be overkill and a AWD will probably be just fine for them and their vehicle never leaves the pavement. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
Definitely can’t match a Cherokee off roading
Unless it's a front wheel drive Cherokee. HAHA
Wildness edition next year better off-road tires 🛞 suspension upgrades works for this kind of application instead XSE most of the time hardtime with off-road In general
I think the wilderness edition will be great. I wonder how the different suspension will feel on and off road.