And not everyone is towing 18000lb at 70mph. In Australia we tow around 6000-8000lb trailers/campers at 60-65 mph. This test is more relatable for many.
@@scottydoesntknow254 noooooo, they are not when towing. Towing a 12k non-aerodynamic tall brick(RV) can be much worse than towing a flat trailer at 18k that sits very low and below the aerodynamics of a HD truck...
I’ve been a GM guy forever and I just bought a new ram 2500 bighorn night edition with a Cummins to tow with and I absolutely love it…that inline is a beast.
@@henryofskalitz2228 yea thats not really true anymore 6.7 powerstroke makes torque at a lower rpm than the cummins and it has overall way more power and a ten speed to back it up
i have a 2020 3500 duramax, in order for the exhaust brake to work correctly you need to set the cruise control. mine will hold 30,000lbs going downhill.
All fine and dandy till you need to panic stop. My 23 dmax exhaust brake is useless. I went over the ike in February towing 17,000. I had to drive down way slower than I normally do. Plus on top of it I averaged 5.5 mpg from WI to Oregon towing at 65.
2008 Ram with Cummins/AISIN transmission with Exhaust Brake. I crossed the Continental Divide (11,000+ foot) pulling a Fifth Wheel Travel Trailer (11, 000+). I set the the Cruise Control (1:1) and the Cummins/AISIN walked up to the Continental Divide. At the top I turned on the Exhaust Brake set the cruise control (50 mph) the Cummins/AISIN performed great 👍. I will NEVER drive a truck 🚚 Without a Exhaust brake. The Exhaust Brake is a Life Saver. Also always use a Fifth Wheel Travel Trailer, Never a bumper pull.
@@MrTruckTV When are you guys going to do what everybody wants to see? F150, Tundra, Ram 1500, Silverado on IKE GAUNTLET? All we have now is single tow or at best 2 cars towing. A video for everybody who tows daily. So we can finally have a good MPG and power comparison with the same trucks and the same engines. The gas and the hybrids separated. Because gas vs hybrid videos we already have. But not the big 4 vs each other on the same day in the same circumstances. Preferably WITHOUT off road packages. Cattle haulers and people with 5th wheels usually don't leave highways. You are more and more about off roading, but majority of North America never leave tarmac/paved roads. And if, then it's just a dirt road to a parking space at a mountain bike park or something
I have owned many Ram trucks with the cummins, they are great no doubt, but I now own a 2021 3500 Denali and I really like the 10 speed up or down hill, but I have found as others have mentioned.. the CRUISE control is the way to go, the truck just takes over and does its thing up or down hill, even with 4 times the weight of this test. The exhaust brake and tranny work together automagically! Its actually similar to driving a newer semi this way.
@@wildbill23c Ford designed the 10 speed Longitude and gm designed the 9 speed transverse as a joint effort. Honestly I think Ford just wanted the Allison name and this was the easiest way to get it.
It’s all about that sticker and how the truck is taxed/insured. I wish Ram would get with it and slap a new sticker on the door. The rear axle weight rating on that Ram is 6,000 lbs and it’s carrying about 2,800 lbs on the rear axle as currently configured right there, so that 2,200 lbs payload leave a wide margin open on what the truck can actually do just to keep the taxes/insurance guys happy.
That Cummins is a beast! Even teamed up with Chrysler's antiquated 68RFE it beats the Chevrolet in efficiency. Imagine how well it could do with a modern 8 or 10 speed. 6 in a row ready to tow!
Indeed. I'm glad Ram gave the 68RFE new internals(new valve body and gear set) in 2019 to smooth shifts and add durability. If Ram is smart, they'd just make the H.O. standard with an Allison for 2023. I know they have big plans for that year, but I don't suspect we'd get the 5th-gen cab. But I LOVE my 2020 3500 SRW.
@@hellkitty1014 Nice, how’s ride quality unloaded as a daily? I want the payload for towing, just wonder if I’d need any suspension upgrades for a decent ride. I hear the airbags help
@@leonlew1386 the 3500 is just a notch stiffer than the 2500 due to the huge leaf packs on the rear and other chassis and suspension upgrades. But the airbags help tremendously for leveling and general ride comfort. I will say the 3500 is happiest towing something or at least 500lbs in the bed.
I like the exhaust brake on the Ram it sure took care of business. Now days you pretty much can’t go wrong with any of the heavy duties from the big 3. For me it is price and options for what I need to tow.
Just bought the 2500 Duramax and I really like it. Exhaust brake seems a little weak though. I paid $61k, which is a great deal. The price was definitely a huge selling point for me. You’re right though, I don’t think you can go wrong with any brand of HD trucks.
Well Ric all of their emissions systems suck and constantly have problems. But yes when functioning properly they are all good trucks. Due to govt emissions regulations though you can’t really trust them for cross country trips you never know when some sensor will sense something 1% off and completely shut down your truck and leave you stranded in the middle of bumfuck Nebraska.
@@4runnercolorado422 I don't have to worry about getting stranded in bumfuck Nebraska because I have no reason to go there. LMBO. The only reason I go west is to visit my son in Colorado and I fly there.
The GMC programming is based on holding the speed below the point where the breaks were applied. I feather the throttle on down hill and dont apply the brakes after the first application.
I can't stand GMC's downhill assist. It feels very counterintuitive. I often find when driving my dad's 2021on camping trips, that it drops way too low and makes the truck scream downhill. When using it on 20% grades, it's damn near useless. Manual selection of gears is the better way to go.
I found out that you need one solid braking event to have the grade braking function to turn on. Once it’s working, it provided more braking than downshifting.
Maybe Gm changed it but if I come to a huge hill i just set the cruise down about 5mph or so and that really kicks on the exhaust breaking about to where you want it, the lower you move the set point the more aggressive it gets, works well, just takes a bit of practice
I bought a chevy custom 4x4 diesel yesterday it ways 7,8** with a 3450 payload. I have always been a ford man but I absolutely love this chevy. Great ride 20mpg at 75-80 on the way home.
If your not gonna use the Chevy auto system for downhill, Don’t use the Dodge auto system. Set the cruise control to tell the Chevy what speed you want just like lifting off the go pedal in the Dodge. If not then use the manual mode in the Dodge just like the Chevy has.
Oh man.. You took the words right out of my mouth! Also I believe they should have pulled an RV a little heavier. A half ton could essentially pull that RV.
No, they didn’t use CC, but they did use the Dodge computer controlled speed limiting system which is a form of CC that the Chevy doesn’t have. Make it an equal test.
@@TheDesertdawg1 the Dodge (sic!) computer controlled speed limiting function? LOL. Really? You're butt hurt because the Chevy lost to the Ram. They followed their process. Now, if one truck DOES have some added new function that gives it superior performance over another truck that does not have it, despite being a lot cheaper, you're suggesting that's unfair and not a true comparison. That is hysterical, even though they did not do anything unfair. These guys call it like it is.
Ram is the best for me. I am not prejudice thou, I own one. I have had two Rams in 17 years. And they work, pure and simple. Great content. Thank you, EM.
I love TFL, longtime viewer since 2013. But these light weights on the IKE are pointless when every truck can make the benchmark 8min run. You guys need to go back to the IKE Extreme where you max out the truck's GVWR and GCVWR
certainly 7000 lbs is no struggle for any modern diesel 3/4 ton truck, though to be honest that's probably closer to what a lot of people tow. Even though it's within the capacity of half-tons if I were towing that weight often I'd still want the 3/4.
Well I like these test because I travel Cross Country twice a year towing 6-8K and up to 11k once in a while short hauls, so, until they come out with a REAL 1/2 TON TRUCK (CREW CAB 8FT BED) I am stuck with my Crap F350, but looking for a Newer 3/4 Ton that would improve the MPG as well as safety features... (NON FORD!!) So, Love these videos... But they still haven't even beat what I get now as I get 9-10MPG Towing 7 to 8K up and down all the mountains and average that across the country as well...(When Running... Broke down again,and again,and again!!)
My 2019 F350's auto engine brake setting did the same thing as that "auto engine brake" does. My 2020 does it as well. These small diesel engine brakes work like this, the vanes on the turbo close down to increase the cylinder pressure(no fuel injected). If you run them hard down a long grade you may see the coolant temp rise(compressed air is hot). If I shut off my truck while in tow/haul, when I start it again it's asks me if I want to stay in tow/haul. Even two days later. I use the engine brake everytime I get in the truck. I've got 45k km on the truck and 85% brake pad life. It's only been in service 19 months and driven everyday. If you touch the brake pedal(one second of brake lights) the transmission will downshift one gear, it's more aggressive with tow/haul mode engaged.
Cummins would be a true beast with that Allison 10 speed behind it. Love the air suspension too..I tow with a 18' Duramax 70 hrs a week and at 97k miles and have yet to have to do anything beyond basic service and maintenance so far..Id like to have that kind of reliability until 200k especially at the cost these bad boys are running. Let's hope all the electronic stuff doesn't shyt the bed before that too. Thanks for the review gents.
No such thing as an Allison 10 speed. They do not make one. GM makes a 10 speed and they call it an Allison branded transmission but it's not an Allison.
If you’re in cruise then the truck could apply breaks automatically. You wouldn’t know how it’s maintaining it speeds. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea but these guys could never tell you break applications needed
What I didn't hear were any serious negatives. It would be nice and extremely helpful to see a 5, 8, and 10 year comparison. That is directly due to my income level and the fact that I couldn't afford either truck until it was quite older. I'd want to know what the major expenses were for maintenance such as tune up cost or if either transmission failed, etc. Both trucks are litterally decades ahead of what I'm driving today.
@@andrewsbbq we do have some unique people who have and do with similar vehicles... the 1/2 and 3/4 ton US built market has exploded over here after Toyota's poor excuse for a 300 series landcruiser.. A Ram 2500 larime converted to right hand drive goes for US$135k and some change.
@@trrollinson yea that's price is crazy and will only sky rocket like truck prices are here. I think GM is now making factory RHD Silverados for export to Aus so that should help with price a bit
Ford has the best looking tow mirrors hands down. They have the proportions worked out to create handsome big mirrors. the Ram and Chevy tow mirrors have goofy exaggerated clown shoe-like dimensions that just don't look good.
Great video! Confused as to why you don’t want to use cruise control though. With the Ram, you said you wanted 60 MPH, but got it up to 63 on the speedo. (Hence the faster time for the Ram when neither truck required full throttle to maintain the speed uphill. Realistically their times would be identical, other than driver input differences…..) For the Duramax, I’m guessing it would have had zero brake applications as well, given the brake actually “worked too well” and kept slowing it down too much without throttle input. It would appear that had you set the cruise, it would have just held that speed down the hill, also matching the zero brake applications. Real world towing, putting in the cruise control and letting the transmission & exhaust brake take care of everything on autopilot seems like a great option.
@@GMCJay_lly I guess individual experiences may vary. I had a 2015 Denali dually and towed a huge fifth wheel across the Rockies in Canada from Alberta and then out to Vancouver Island. Near Osoyoos there are mountains that would rival the Ike Gauntlet for grade and be similar for altitude. I used cruise control quite a lot and found that with the exhaust brake, everything was fine coming down, and the truck kept up just fine dragging 16,000 pounds up steep mountains in 100 degree heat. I just replaced it with a 2021 Denali 2500, almost identical to the Chevy in this test and wouldn’t expect any different, other than potentially not being as stable with it being SRW vs a dually. The Duramax and the Allison 6-speed I had were a dream team on cruise. And I cannot wait to try out the Allison branded 10-speed in my new ride.
I don’t know if the Chevy will brake in its own but the Ram will, and you don’t know it’s doing it. A few years ago the dually had a zero brake run but it was determined that the truck was braking on its own.
I agree that it would be best for them to use every option available to do their tests, but they decided a long time ago to not use CC and they stuck to this again. The difference between the two on the downhill was simply that the Chevy did not auto engage the exhaust brake by lifting off the "gas" pedal, while the Ram did. That's why it did not required Ada single brake application while the Chevy needed that one brake application to activate.
very impressed with the exhaust brake on the ram. i've never owned a diesel truck but i'm getting closer and closer to just ponying up and doing it haha.
@@hellkitty1014 The exhaust brake's two modes of operation are amazing. One is automatic and the other is always on. I run mine in auto, the speed of the vehicle is monitored and the exhaust brake will increase its force if the vehicle speeds up, the exhaust brake system will keep the transmission gear that offers the best RPM for effectiveness.
I’m a big fan of the RAM exhaust brake. I have used it towing a camper through the mountains and I never had to use my brakes to maintain speed with the setting on Auto.
I own a 2020 ram 3500, I’m glad that the tow haul mode doesn’t automatically turn on. When towing my 8000 pound trailer I never put it in tow haul. It’s super aggressive and unnecessary.
I tow my enclosed trailer with my 6.7 RAM and I can tell the difference when I am driving without the trailer , the MPG is awesome and braking system gives you lots of safety
I drive a 2020 ram 6.7 Cummins pulling a trailer with two RVS on it four days a week doing around 2,500 miles. All together i probably weigh around 26,000lbs. I can’t recommend the RAM enough. Just stick to bottle DEF and you should be good with the exhaust system. I’m at 220k miles now. My friend drove a 2016 duramax Silverado. It’s a great truck, I like Chevy too. However, he broke down and had a very difficult time finding a mechanic and parts to get it fixed. I would consider the ram over the Chevy for something like breaking down. The parts for Cummins are way easier to find and fix due to the amount of them out there.
@@jrpriller I have not because I’ve been adding an additive called hot shot’s secret EDT. my buddy’s ram did mess up but warranty got it fixed. They have a recall now. Also the duramax I wrote about messed up because of the fuel pump as well.
@@jrpriller it was so weird with the CP4. Literally hit or miss. I have a 2020 with 76k miles on it and its been flawless save for a software reflash and batteries. But I've heard some have had issues with them. 2021+ is CP3.
So only argument I have is you saying RAM is better for availability of parts compared to GM when it is not their fault. Other companies who sell factory parts or not are in control of that. Plus, when something breaks down, I would say from personal experience always replace it with aftermarket quality materials.
I like that you do your tow test on the IKE Gauntlet. I don’t think people realize how hard those mountains can be till you drive them. Living in Colorado Springs and towing the snowmobile trailer to Steamboat or Vail Pass. I get to drive that all winter long. Nice test fellas!
I’ve owned both, RAM and Cheverolet, and to me both have individual strengths and weaknesses. RAM has always had the best Cruise control IMO, always keeping your speed within +/-3mph uphill or downhill. RAM has always had more ‘useful’ information systems. I like Chevrolet’s interiors a little better, although outdated, seem a little classier in color schemes, fit and finish. To me, both trucks are American built brutes! I’ve never owned a Ford simply because of my relationship with the local RAM/Cheverolet dealers. Good review guys!
Ram is the way to go these days. My neighborhood has a Ram in every other drive way, we have a couple Ford's and 1 Chevy. People are avoiding GM's at all costs
Love that you towed a rv up the mountain, as I'm sure a lot of these trucks will be used for just that. Although it's a fraction of their towing capacity. Seems I've never seen a 3 way super ike between the big 3 with the 2500 diesels. I'd love to see this test with 15,000+ lb trailers!
He would have to have a CDL to do that. Right now since he does not have a CDL he has to legally go by the GVWR combined weight. As long as the combined truck & trailer are under 26,000 lbs he is good. So a trailer that weighs 15,000+ lbs would put them over that GVWR rating. They are doing this with a commercial business. So they have to put commercial plates on both truck & trailer to be legal.
@@suspecttrigger Apparently you did not read what I put down because you cannot go by the actual weight if you Do not have ACD L you have to go by the GVWR. GVWR on most of these recorded 3/4 ton pick up trucks is over 10000 and that trailer is over 16000 GVWR.
@@BBBYpsi I didn't say THAT trailer. A trailer with a gvwr on 15,000 on just about any ¾ ton will be under. If I'm not mistaken GM is the highest gvwr right now on a ¾ ton. So a gvwr of 15,000 hooked to my GMC with a GVWR of 10,850 is good. Borderline, but good. And THAT is what I want to see. Load them up to the edge and run them.
My husband and I really enjoy your channels. You do a great, fair job on your tests and comparisons . You address real life scenarios and concerns. The one test we haven’t seen yet is carrying as opposed to towing. Have you/will you do any slide-in camper comparisons? It would be interesting to see how the “big three” stack up against each other carrying a medium and big (tip outs) camper, not only in the standard categories you test but also the handling. Keep up the great videos!
I’m more of a GM guy, but the Cummins is legendary, and the front end of the new Silverado looks like shit. For reference my number one vehicle is a 2003 suburban K2500 4x4 with the 8.1. 20 years later they still have not made a SUV that can tow more. I had a 96 2500 with the 7.4 and set up to yank an f150 out of a ditch in a blizzard, and actually got out of the suburban to check halfway through the pull because I thought I had lost the f150 it was so effortless…. Me and my buddies pull down trees with it for fun because it was so ridiculously powerful. This is the biggest regret from my first marriage…. She took my beast….
The sad thing about Chevy is their premium interior is about on par with Ram's Tradesman interior. That Bighorn interior on the Ram is really luxerious. Ram has had this premium interior since 2013 and Chevy still hasn't figured out how to get it right.
I have to agree. I’ve always been a GM guy and when I replaced my HD a couple weeks ago, I definitely noticed Ram was winning the interior game. Other than it really really felt “small” inside compared to the GMC I ended up buying. It really reminded me of my old 1982 RX-7 the way the windows all creeped in on your personal space. Didn’t like that - felt really small for what is actually a big truck!
@@AlbertaBoy247 Nice. So if I read that right you said the GM felt bigger on the inside over the Ram? Just curious cause I’ve never been in a new GM/Ram yet at all
@@go4brp2 Yes! I really felt claustrophobic in the Ram I test drove. Lots of power to be sure. It felt almost like a big rig, kind of rough around the edges -very “truck like” indeed. No doubt it could get the job done. The one I test drove was a 2021 3500 Limited with the Aisen transmission. It was way less than the GMC I ultimately bought and I loved the look of the interior. Hands down it was nicer looking and better to the touch than the GMC I ended up buying. And it was almost $30k less. At the end of the day, it was the feel of the truck I knew wasn’t for me. I felt claustrophobic almost in there. So I got the 2021 Denali 2500HD instead.
Loved the flow of this video! Great information too. I liked that the natural element put these tests more inline with how i would use one of these vehicles. Definitely not a “Lab” scenario.
My Ram is not a better ride than my GMC 2500 Denali, both 2022 models. I prefer my GMC over my RAM. Not sure if GMC has different setting or tune in trans or engine? GMC brake in cruise control works great.
Well it is no doubt they are two very awesome trucks. I currently own a Chevy LTZ 2500 Duramax 2022 and I am Definitely in love with the truck. However I'm not sure if I could ever own a ram. When I'm towing something the most important thing for me is tow haul mode. If the ram can't stay in tow haul mode that may be a big problem. On the other hand, Chevy's diesel exhaust brake is definitely in need of a upgrade. They work beautifully when in cruise but I feel they should almost work without cruise if I'm being honest. Other than that most of the test were pretty fair. I do average much better fuel mileage than they said the Chevy had got. when running up the smokey mountains 6.8 percent grade I average about 5.5 mpg with a much heavier load at 9800. Still love the channel tfl is the reason I got a Chevy 2022 in the first place. Looked at a ram/ Chevy 2022 nothing compared to the power speed and the feeling of how durable the Chevys are on the road.
What kinda tow rigs are those with NO MARKER LIGHTS! I love a nice diesel but you gotta have the marker lights they look naked with out em, just my opinion
Love the Ike test. Y’all really need something around 9500 lbs to make the 1/2 tons work climbing the Ike and maybe giving the HD trucks just a bit more of a challenge.
I’ve towed a 9500 lb toy hauler up that hill a few times with a 2018 F-150 3.5L ecoboost. I passed a couple cars once. One time I was about 10,500 lbs and it was a dog close to the top. I was doing about 35-40 mph. Going down that hill was crazy!! 60 mph in 3rd gear. RPM’s we’re screaming at about 4700. I don’t know how many times I had to brake. It was quite a few. I actually have a bunch of raw videos that I never edited for the whole trip up and down the mountain from Denver.
I drive this in my 18 l5p one ton dually duramax almost everyday. Usually towing masonry supplies. What you need to do is a durability test. 120k miles in driving this stretch of road constantly (live in evergreen and have a lot of work in summit) and not a single problem with the engine or tranny. Unfortunately GM should be sued into oblivion for the emissions system. I’ve spent north of $20k on emissions systems repair. It’s an absolutely horrendously engineered piece of trash. Great engine but the emissions system is a nightmare from hell. And the bad thing about the emissions system is that it shuts your truck down and forces you off the road.
My work vehicle is a MB SPRINTER. The Adblue system is a pile of extreme crap. I understand the need to reduce emissions but these systems will bankrupt an ordinary owner. Thankfully the MB Sprinter is not mine. I am no fan of diesels. I know they tow well but can be crazy expensive in maintenance.
My 2020 Ram has been a nightmare, emissions issues that the dealer can't resolve or get parts for and the trans has been a real treat.... NOT! Buddy has a 18 GMC L5p and has had zero problems with the powertrain.
These newer Diesel emissions are scary And 10,000 to 12,000 grand is scary Thats why folks are giving fords 7.3 gasser a look but it only has half the torque and no exhaust brake What is a guy to do ?
12:58 That spring loaded hitch is used to activate the hydraulic brakes. When the towing vehicle applies the brakes, the momentum of the trailer pushes on the plunger, which works a lever attached to a brake master cylinder. The little piece that he flips up is the lockout so you can reverse without the brakes coming on. These at least _used_ to be common here in Australia. Electric brakes seem to have increased in popularity in recent years. I don't know what it's like in America. It seems like you guys have had electric brakes since the '40s.
The more videos I watch of the Ram 2500 cummins, the more I want one. Its performance is truly impressive. Do I have anything heavy enough to tow to justify buying a HD diesel? No… but this is America dammit, and if I want a big truck, I can get a big truck
The bracing from fire wall to the fender and it’s kind a like the shock tower brace but Dodge has these two . What is funny the tabs and mounting holes are on my truck so I need to measure hole to hole to see if the factory ones may fit, I’ll have to check .
Love TFL and the test that are run in real life scenarios. Mr. Truck and Andre are a great pair! The MPG difference surprised me. I thought the Ram would get better MPG, but expected it to be only a couple of tenths. I'm not surprised that the Chevy was a little quieter since the Cummins does have a low growl. I have owned both and currently own a Ram. I liked both more than gas trucks and was happy with the DMax and also happy with the Cummins.
Hey tfl truck, the auto gm exhaust brake used to work with the cruise control. The cruise setting gave it a target to hold. The new ones might still be like that .....
I just bought the 2500 Duramax, so you know what I’m rooting for lol 😆. It’s a really nice truck and I’m loving it so far. Great to see Mr. Truck again.
Chevy’s exhaust brake is turned on with the button but is activated by tapping the brake pedal once. You have to make one brake application to even test the exhaust brake. Just so you know.
I run the exhaust brake on all the time on my 2020 Denali and it comes on every time I let off the pedal instantly and immediately starts down shifting but it will work more aggressively if you touch the brakes or if you're using the cruise. Its fun to watch the the turbo vien position and and boost go up and down while it changes the amount of braking as needed. I do wish it was more aggressive when it was full on though.
I love the portable "TFL studio" to keep you guys out of the weather, lol You should do the "wrap ups" more often in that RV, it gives better sound quality
22:42 "you can name the trailer" lol... I swear these high end trim levels have so many unecessary features. I doubt many of those fancy features and buttons will continue to work flawlelssly at 500k miles. My 2018 cummins 4x4 crewcab tradesman works like new at 387k miles, because it doesn't have a built in fleshlight with 500 buttons and switches
You guys need to stop overhyping that small black series Chinese caravan, the Aussies tow them with rangers. They use our hd half tonnes to tow properly Aussie built off road caravans, that can go anywhere the truck can.
Now this is the stuff I'm interested in. I live in a caravan full-time in New Zealand and it's good to see the Aussie caravan with the door still on the passenger side for the USA roads.
I don't understand why the trailer brake location is such a big deal. In my truck it is on the left side and I only use the controller to set the brakes before leaving the driveway.
Payload, payload, payload. Rams 2500 achilles heel is the payload number. If you start adding a shell, payload management systems etc, the Rams payload gets seriously reduced, its why I had to go GMC in the 2500 series truck because with Rams payload number my set up would not work. So, for me, Chevy/GMC for the win.
At the dealer I work at, we install these caps on every split tailgate truck we get in because GM has not covered the damage in the past. Plus we operate in a bougie area, so alot of these trucks don't get used like trucks super often.
I'm not going to lie... the cover on the hitch from the Chevy is a bigger deal than they made it. My trailer hitch stays in practically 24/7. Now I'm supposed to take it out every time just so I'll be able to open my tailgate??
The ride quality on the Chevy is likely due to more payload compared to the RAM, but that has always been one of RAMS weekness with the coil springs. Not a fan of RAM for that reason. They are creating liability for thsir customer if they claim 20k trailer capacity when you know you dont have the payload to support it.
Awesome video. Die hard Chevy Guy has been driving a 1/2 Ton Ram Big Horn Crew cab since Sept 2021 . Love it. Definitely digging that 3/4 Ton Big Horn too.
Ram just makes a better truck. We all have our favorites as they each have features that we all wish were in one truck. Been a mopar guy for years and wouldn’t switch sides.
@@nospark333 I have a two rams and one is the trx. Love them both. My next favorite is a ford non eco boost model. My rams with the air suspension have been problem free since day one. I do believe some brands like ppl better than others. My first car was an Oldsmobile omega and was a pos. After that I have been driving mopar and Chryslers and zero issues. Got 340k miles on a lebaron gts turbo. Only one turbo replaces and a rebuilt tranny. Just time to get something else. This is why we see others drive other brands. We like what we like. Cheers 🍻
@@jimcole2648 considering that's all you buy, you really don't know any better, do you. Omega, you have to be kidding. Trust me, my K car was a real shit box.... Always said to myself no more Chrysler after that, but here we are....
@@nospark333 I may just be brand loyal but I do say family members and friends do drive other brands as well as mopar. I have had other brands, but mainly mopar. Yeah Omega was my first car. Yes apparently you don’t know better yourself. When you have luck with one brand other the other, you tend to stick with it. Didn’t hear what your brand is
I am a novice at towing. But imo,That would be intimidating towing in weather like that. I've seen many videos where ppl crash while trying to tow trailers. Experience is a good thing. TFL are pros
Please do a comparison with gas versions of the big 3 3/4 ton trucks? I have a similar size trailer with a Tundra and I am out of payload. Looking at a 3/4 gasser. All 3/4 tests are with max towing, not with a medium/common size load like this. Please please please?
@@GMCJay_lly I have 2020 6.6 gasser as my company truck. Hate it. Brakes squeal constantly, seats are very uncomfortable but it does pretty good on fuel. More interested in 6.4 Hemi
My opinion on gm is that you need to use Cruze control uphill or downhill because the Cruze down hill won’t let the speed get up much more than 3-4km/h before it grade shifts and engine breaks and on the up hill with the Cruze the engine will hold the throttle perfectly and never let of the throttle hence keeping turbo pressure. (Just my opinion)
I didn't see one comment about the fact that when you have a trailer hooked up, and turn on your signal light the Chevy/GMC shows a side view of your truck trailer. I pull a 32' camper with slide out with my GMC 3500 hd, with no problems
Love that you are towing an RV up the mountain! It's much more relatable to the community!!
Mass is mass. Water, metal, plastic. A pound of feathers is the same as a pound of lead.
Except that rvs pull like parachutes
And not everyone is towing 18000lb at 70mph.
In Australia we tow around 6000-8000lb trailers/campers at 60-65 mph.
This test is more relatable for many.
@@scottydoesntknow254 noooooo, they are not when towing. Towing a 12k non-aerodynamic tall brick(RV) can be much worse than towing a flat trailer at 18k that sits very low and below the aerodynamics of a HD truck...
@@scottydoesntknow254No, no it’s not.
Great to see Mr Truck. He really adds some personality and makes it more fun to watch.
Agreed. I’m sick of Tommy!!
@@alanj7306 Thanks guy, Tommy is coming along, he will be a star. He might replace Andre.
@@MrTruckTV 🤣🤣😭
Mr. Truck and Nathan would be best duo....
I’ve been a GM guy forever and I just bought a new ram 2500 bighorn night edition with a Cummins to tow with and I absolutely love it…that inline is a beast.
I lines will always give you more torque with less fuel guzzling
@@henryofskalitz2228 yea thats not really true anymore 6.7 powerstroke makes torque at a lower rpm than the cummins and it has overall way more power and a ten speed to back it up
@@rock-uu7qr But it's a Ford
@@ryanm5626 yeah but if the alternative is a dodge then I’m taking the pos ford
The Chevy exhaust brake works great with CRUISE CONTROL. it will modulate the exhaust on its own.
This is the truth... Been on many big grades on the 5 in the Siskiyou, keeps you at your speed with no intervention needed.
This bothers the hell out of me on these reviews. My 2016 gmc duramax works awesome if you set the cruise control on a downhill.
GM products are garbage
Exactly set the cruise on a chevy and its fully automatic down hill
Exactly. Use the cruise control. That is how they are designed to work, and they work great. Toggling the engine brake switch is just dumb.
i have a 2020 3500 duramax, in order for the exhaust brake to work correctly you need to set the cruise control. mine will hold 30,000lbs going downhill.
I just uploaded a couple short towing videos for anyone who is interested. I haven’t seen much heavy towing videos other than on TFLs channel.
Cruise control is how they work. I don’t know why these guys can’t figure this out. Truck experts and all.
All fine and dandy till you need to panic stop. My 23 dmax exhaust brake is useless. I went over the ike in February towing 17,000. I had to drive down way slower than I normally do. Plus on top of it I averaged 5.5 mpg from WI to Oregon towing at 65.
2008 Ram with Cummins/AISIN transmission with Exhaust Brake.
I crossed the Continental Divide (11,000+ foot) pulling a Fifth Wheel Travel Trailer (11, 000+). I set the the Cruise Control (1:1) and the Cummins/AISIN walked up to the Continental Divide.
At the top I turned on the Exhaust Brake set the cruise control (50 mph) the Cummins/AISIN performed great 👍.
I will NEVER drive a truck 🚚 Without a Exhaust brake.
The Exhaust Brake is a Life Saver.
Also always use a Fifth Wheel Travel Trailer, Never a bumper pull.
I love Mr Truck/ Andre Ike Gauntlet videos. Please keep this team together.
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@@MrTruckTV When are you guys going to do what everybody wants to see?
F150, Tundra, Ram 1500, Silverado on IKE GAUNTLET?
All we have now is single tow or at best 2 cars towing. A video for everybody who tows daily. So we can finally have a good MPG and power comparison with the same trucks and the same engines.
The gas and the hybrids separated. Because gas vs hybrid videos we already have. But not the big 4 vs each other on the same day in the same circumstances.
Preferably WITHOUT off road packages. Cattle haulers and people with 5th wheels usually don't leave highways.
You are more and more about off roading, but majority of North America never leave tarmac/paved roads. And if, then it's just a dirt road to a parking space at a mountain bike park or something
Mr. Truck and Nathan are best duo.
I have owned many Ram trucks with the cummins, they are great no doubt, but I now own a 2021 3500 Denali and I really like the 10 speed up or down hill, but I have found as others have mentioned.. the CRUISE control is the way to go, the truck just takes over and does its thing up or down hill, even with 4 times the weight of this test. The exhaust brake and tranny work together automagically! Its actually similar to driving a newer semi this way.
You can thank ford for making that transmission kiddo
@@That90sShow Ford and GM worked together to build that 10 speed if I'm not mistaken?
@@wildbill23c Ford designed the 10 speed Longitude and gm designed the 9 speed transverse as a joint effort. Honestly I think Ford just wanted the Allison name and this was the easiest way to get it.
@@That90sShow sorry 10L80 isnt the same as the HD 10L1000 behind duramax, kiddo. Ford had not one had in that one bud.
@@That90sShow sorry 10L80 isnt the same as the HD 10L1000 behind duramax, kiddo. Ford had not one had in that one bud
(26:05) Mr. Truck is spot on. Trucks need to balance to payload or all those other numbers don't mean much.
It’s all about that sticker and how the truck is taxed/insured. I wish Ram would get with it and slap a new sticker on the door. The rear axle weight rating on that Ram is 6,000 lbs and it’s carrying about 2,800 lbs on the rear axle as currently configured right there, so that 2,200 lbs payload leave a wide margin open on what the truck can actually do just to keep the taxes/insurance guys happy.
Got that right!
That Cummins is a beast! Even teamed up with Chrysler's antiquated 68RFE it beats the Chevrolet in efficiency. Imagine how well it could do with a modern 8 or 10 speed. 6 in a row ready to tow!
Indeed. I'm glad Ram gave the 68RFE new internals(new valve body and gear set) in 2019 to smooth shifts and add durability. If Ram is smart, they'd just make the H.O. standard with an Allison for 2023. I know they have big plans for that year, but I don't suspect we'd get the 5th-gen cab. But I LOVE my 2020 3500 SRW.
Love it!
@@hellkitty1014 Nice, how’s ride quality unloaded as a daily? I want the payload for towing, just wonder if I’d need any suspension upgrades for a decent ride. I hear the airbags help
Cummins with Allison trans would be awesome.
@@leonlew1386 the 3500 is just a notch stiffer than the 2500 due to the huge leaf packs on the rear and other chassis and suspension upgrades. But the airbags help tremendously for leveling and general ride comfort. I will say the 3500 is happiest towing something or at least 500lbs in the bed.
The sound reading is actually a pretty wide margin, decibels aren’t a linear scale. Every 3dB increase equates to a doubling in the sound energy.
I like the exhaust brake on the Ram it sure took care of business. Now days you pretty much can’t go wrong with any of the heavy duties from the big 3. For me it is price and options for what I need to tow.
Just bought the 2500 Duramax and I really like it. Exhaust brake seems a little weak though. I paid $61k, which is a great deal. The price was definitely a huge selling point for me. You’re right though, I don’t think you can go wrong with any brand of HD trucks.
Well Ric all of their emissions systems suck and constantly have problems. But yes when functioning properly they are all good trucks. Due to govt emissions regulations though you can’t really trust them for cross country trips you never know when some sensor will sense something 1% off and completely shut down your truck and leave you stranded in the middle of bumfuck Nebraska.
@@4runnercolorado422 I don't have to worry about getting stranded in bumfuck Nebraska because I have no reason to go there. LMBO. The only reason I go west is to visit my son in Colorado and I fly there.
@@4runnercolorado422 The vast majority of people who have issues with diesel emissions are people who do not drive them correctly.
@@AkioWasRight absolutely 100% false. I’m interested to know though, how would one drive in order to cause an emissions system failure?
The GMC programming is based on holding the speed below the point where the breaks were applied. I feather the throttle on down hill and dont apply the brakes after the first application.
This has been my experience too hauling with my Silverado 1500. I have stay on the throttle to maintain speed downhill with grade braking on.
I can't stand GMC's downhill assist. It feels very counterintuitive. I often find when driving my dad's 2021on camping trips, that it drops way too low and makes the truck scream downhill. When using it on 20% grades, it's damn near useless. Manual selection of gears is the better way to go.
I found out that you need one solid braking event to have the grade braking function to turn on.
Once it’s working, it provided more braking than downshifting.
My Ram Hemi will put effort into keeping speed when the cruise is set. Otherwise it'll coast.
Maybe Gm changed it but if I come to a huge hill i just set the cruise down about 5mph or so and that really kicks on the exhaust breaking about to where you want it, the lower you move the set point the more aggressive it gets, works well, just takes a bit of practice
I bought a chevy custom 4x4 diesel yesterday it ways 7,8** with a 3450 payload. I have always been a ford man but I absolutely love this chevy. Great ride 20mpg at 75-80 on the way home.
These Ike and towing tests are still my favorite videos you guys do!
Thanks, we have fun
Nice to see Mr. Truck and Andre making videos again!
Thanks, a good team
If your not gonna use the Chevy auto system for downhill, Don’t use the Dodge auto system.
Set the cruise control to tell the Chevy what speed you want just like lifting off the go pedal in the Dodge.
If not then use the manual mode in the Dodge just like the Chevy has.
Oh man.. You took the words right out of my mouth! Also I believe they should have pulled an RV a little heavier. A half ton could essentially pull that RV.
They didn't use cruise control on the RAM or the Chevy. Same process for both.
No, they didn’t use CC, but they did use the Dodge computer controlled speed limiting system which is a form of CC that the Chevy doesn’t have.
Make it an equal test.
@@TheDesertdawg1 the Dodge (sic!) computer controlled speed limiting function? LOL. Really? You're butt hurt because the Chevy lost to the Ram. They followed their process. Now, if one truck DOES have some added new function that gives it superior performance over another truck that does not have it, despite being a lot cheaper, you're suggesting that's unfair and not a true comparison. That is hysterical, even though they did not do anything unfair. These guys call it like it is.
Ram is the best for me.
I am not prejudice thou, I own one.
I have had two Rams in 17 years.
And they work, pure and simple.
Great content.
Thank you, EM.
Thanks for the great content guys! It’s good to see you team up with Mr. Truck again.
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@@MrTruckTV would love to see you and Nathan team more. Also really enjoyed you and Kelsey together!
@@Wicked_RotF30 That would be fun
I love TFL, longtime viewer since 2013. But these light weights on the IKE are pointless when every truck can make the benchmark 8min run. You guys need to go back to the IKE Extreme where you max out the truck's GVWR and GCVWR
They’re promoting this camper.
Got make vids to pay the bills
certainly 7000 lbs is no struggle for any modern diesel 3/4 ton truck, though to be honest that's probably closer to what a lot of people tow. Even though it's within the capacity of half-tons if I were towing that weight often I'd still want the 3/4.
It’s not the weight, it’s the wind resistance.
Well I like these test because I travel Cross Country twice a year towing 6-8K and up to 11k once in a while short hauls, so, until they come out with a REAL 1/2 TON TRUCK (CREW CAB 8FT BED) I am stuck with my Crap F350, but looking for a Newer 3/4 Ton that would improve the MPG as well as safety features... (NON FORD!!) So, Love these videos... But they still haven't even beat what I get now as I get 9-10MPG Towing 7 to 8K up and down all the mountains and average that across the country as well...(When Running... Broke down again,and again,and again!!)
My 2019 F350's auto engine brake setting did the same thing as that "auto engine brake" does. My 2020 does it as well. These small diesel engine brakes work like this, the vanes on the turbo close down to increase the cylinder pressure(no fuel injected). If you run them hard down a long grade you may see the coolant temp rise(compressed air is hot). If I shut off my truck while in tow/haul, when I start it again it's asks me if I want to stay in tow/haul. Even two days later. I use the engine brake everytime I get in the truck. I've got 45k km on the truck and 85% brake pad life. It's only been in service 19 months and driven everyday. If you touch the brake pedal(one second of brake lights) the transmission will downshift one gear, it's more aggressive with tow/haul mode engaged.
Cummins would be a true beast with that Allison 10 speed behind it. Love the air suspension too..I tow with a 18' Duramax 70 hrs a week and at 97k miles and have yet to have to do anything beyond basic service and maintenance so far..Id like to have that kind of reliability until 200k especially at the cost these bad boys are running. Let's hope all the electronic stuff doesn't shyt the bed before that too. Thanks for the review gents.
Great service on that duramax sir! What are your mpgs like?
There are companies out that make an Allison and Cummins combination a thing.
Allison has a 9 speed that's rumored to be considered for the Ram HD.
My Cummins has the Aisin transmission. It’s as good as the Allison.
No such thing as an Allison 10 speed. They do not make one. GM makes a 10 speed and they call it an Allison branded transmission but it's not an Allison.
Great to see a good ol fashioned Ike Gauntlet and great to see Mr. Truck as well! Thanks guys!!
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Yay TFL and Mr.Truck! I love these videos so much.
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The Exhaust brake on the GM is meant to be used in conjunction with the cruise control. Otherwise it assumes you are trying to slow down all the way
True, I can be towing 20k lbs down that hill in tow/haul, with the exhaust brake and the cruise control and not touch the brakes the whole time
You guys do know that cruise actually e gages the brake right ....
@@pr0n5tar you’re talking exhaust brake, right? Because cruise doesn’t engage service brakes.
@@jeffs2809 yes it does.
If you’re in cruise then the truck could apply breaks automatically. You wouldn’t know how it’s maintaining it speeds. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea but these guys could never tell you break applications needed
What I didn't hear were any serious negatives. It would be nice and extremely helpful to see a 5, 8, and 10 year comparison.
That is directly due to my income level and the fact that I couldn't afford either truck until it was quite older. I'd want to know what the major expenses were for maintenance such as tune up cost or if either transmission failed, etc.
Both trucks are litterally decades ahead of what I'm driving today.
Great video, I am in Australia and have the ram 2500 SO towing a 23ft, 7500lbs offroad caravan and its a beast for towing and touring.
I thought Australians would tow a trailer like yours with a Corolla
@@andrewsbbq we do have some unique people who have and do with similar vehicles... the 1/2 and 3/4 ton US built market has exploded over here after Toyota's poor excuse for a 300 series landcruiser.. A Ram 2500 larime converted to right hand drive goes for US$135k and some change.
@@trrollinson yea that's price is crazy and will only sky rocket like truck prices are here. I think GM is now making factory RHD Silverados for export to Aus so that should help with price a bit
When measuring sound, every 3dB is twice as loud. Therefore the Ram cabin is almost twice as loud as the Chevy.
Ford has the best looking tow mirrors hands down. They have the proportions worked out to create handsome big mirrors. the Ram and Chevy tow mirrors have goofy exaggerated clown shoe-like dimensions that just don't look good.
Late LML Duramax mirrors are my absolute fav. Wish they still made em like that.
I think that the one brake application tells the Chevy to maintain speed. Without touching the brake, the Chevy thinks you just want to coast.
One of the best combos of car reviewers on the tube. Thanks guys!
Great video! Confused as to why you don’t want to use cruise control though. With the Ram, you said you wanted 60 MPH, but got it up to 63 on the speedo. (Hence the faster time for the Ram when neither truck required full throttle to maintain the speed uphill. Realistically their times would be identical, other than driver input differences…..)
For the Duramax, I’m guessing it would have had zero brake applications as well, given the brake actually “worked too well” and kept slowing it down too much without throttle input. It would appear that had you set the cruise, it would have just held that speed down the hill, also matching the zero brake applications.
Real world towing, putting in the cruise control and letting the transmission & exhaust brake take care of everything on autopilot seems like a great option.
Cruise control sucks in the mountains
@@GMCJay_lly I guess individual experiences may vary. I had a 2015 Denali dually and towed a huge fifth wheel across the Rockies in Canada from Alberta and then out to Vancouver Island. Near Osoyoos there are mountains that would rival the Ike Gauntlet for grade and be similar for altitude. I used cruise control quite a lot and found that with the exhaust brake, everything was fine coming down, and the truck kept up just fine dragging 16,000 pounds up steep mountains in 100 degree heat.
I just replaced it with a 2021 Denali 2500, almost identical to the Chevy in this test and wouldn’t expect any different, other than potentially not being as stable with it being SRW vs a dually.
The Duramax and the Allison 6-speed I had were a dream team on cruise. And I cannot wait to try out the Allison branded 10-speed in my new ride.
I don’t know if the Chevy will brake in its own but the Ram will, and you don’t know it’s doing it. A few years ago the dually had a zero brake run but it was determined that the truck was braking on its own.
I agree that it would be best for them to use every option available to do their tests, but they decided a long time ago to not use CC and they stuck to this again. The difference between the two on the downhill was simply that the Chevy did not auto engage the exhaust brake by lifting off the "gas" pedal, while the Ram did. That's why it did not required Ada single brake application while the Chevy needed that one brake application to activate.
very impressed with the exhaust brake on the ram. i've never owned a diesel truck but i'm getting closer and closer to just ponying up and doing it haha.
That two-stage exhaust brake on the Ram is amazing. Almost Jake-brake strong in reducing speed.
@@hellkitty1014 The exhaust brake's two modes of operation are amazing. One is automatic and the other is always on. I run mine in auto, the speed of the vehicle is monitored and the exhaust brake will increase its force if the vehicle speeds up, the exhaust brake system will keep the transmission gear that offers the best RPM for effectiveness.
@@InLineDiesel6 yup! I love the feature on my 3500. It's tough to explain how good it is to others that have not experienced it.
I’m a big fan of the RAM exhaust brake. I have used it towing a camper through the mountains and I never had to use my brakes to maintain speed with the setting on Auto.
Agreed, Cummins owner here
As impressive as the torque is the Exhaust brake is just as impressive
I own a 2020 ram 3500, I’m glad that the tow haul mode doesn’t automatically turn on. When towing my 8000 pound trailer I never put it in tow haul. It’s super aggressive and unnecessary.
Classic TFL video here. Good to see Mr Truck. Great video as always. This really really is the greatest towing test in the nation
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I tow my enclosed trailer with my 6.7 RAM and I can tell the difference when I am driving without the trailer , the MPG is awesome and braking system gives you lots of safety
I drive a 2020 ram 6.7 Cummins pulling a trailer with two RVS on it four days a week doing around 2,500 miles. All together i probably weigh around 26,000lbs. I can’t recommend the RAM enough. Just stick to bottle DEF and you should be good with the exhaust system. I’m at 220k miles now. My friend drove a 2016 duramax Silverado. It’s a great truck, I like Chevy too. However, he broke down and had a very difficult time finding a mechanic and parts to get it fixed. I would consider the ram over the Chevy for something like breaking down. The parts for Cummins are way easier to find and fix due to the amount of them out there.
Have had any issues with fuel pump on the ram . I heard the cp4 had issues so that is why ram went back to the cp3 . I'd like to heard what have say .
@@jrpriller I have not because I’ve been adding an additive called hot shot’s secret EDT. my buddy’s ram did mess up but warranty got it fixed. They have a recall now. Also the duramax I wrote about messed up because of the fuel pump as well.
@@jrpriller it was so weird with the CP4. Literally hit or miss. I have a 2020 with 76k miles on it and its been flawless save for a software reflash and batteries. But I've heard some have had issues with them. 2021+ is CP3.
@@jrpriller cp4 pumps are hot garbage, regardless if it's ford, ram or gm. if it's got a cp4, avoid it like the plague.
So only argument I have is you saying RAM is better for availability of parts compared to GM when it is not their fault. Other companies who sell factory parts or not are in control of that. Plus, when something breaks down, I would say from personal experience always replace it with aftermarket quality materials.
MrTruck. Respectfully . I love your part in this series thank you so much
TFL! PLEASE! Include a turning radius test when you put these trucks head to head. The snow could of been fast and easy to do the test.
I got two Chevys 2001 & 2004 with the Allison transmission 5 speed, both works great going down steep hill with heavy loads.
Great video guys. Snow, Mr. Truck, and lots of info makes for a entertaining video.
Thanks so much
I bought a 2022 chevy silverado 2500hd duramax diesel love the truck so far I have no complaints.
I have a 2017 2500 Cummins….. and I love it. We have a 30 ft camping trailer and it’s a joke for the RAM to pull that baby.
One of my best friends pulls his 52 foot camper with his 2022 duramax and has zero problems
@@AustinMatthiesen dual?
@@ogieogilthorpe3713 nope, but it is a 3500 I spose
I have a 32 foot Fifth Wheel
My 3500 Cummins/AISIN transmission doesn't know it has a trailer behind it.
I am amazed.
I like that you do your tow test on the IKE Gauntlet. I don’t think people realize how hard those mountains can be till you drive them. Living in Colorado Springs and towing the snowmobile trailer to Steamboat or Vail Pass. I get to drive that all winter long.
Nice test fellas!
We need more Mr. Truck on here with Andre!
I agree
I’ve owned both, RAM and Cheverolet, and to me both have individual strengths and weaknesses. RAM has always had the best Cruise control IMO, always keeping your speed within +/-3mph uphill or downhill. RAM has always had more ‘useful’ information systems. I like Chevrolet’s interiors a little better, although outdated, seem a little classier in color schemes, fit and finish. To me, both trucks are American built brutes! I’ve never owned a Ford simply because of my relationship with the local RAM/Cheverolet dealers. Good review guys!
Ram is the way to go these days. My neighborhood has a Ram in every other drive way, we have a couple Ford's and 1 Chevy. People are avoiding GM's at all costs
Love that you towed a rv up the mountain, as I'm sure a lot of these trucks will be used for just that. Although it's a fraction of their towing capacity. Seems I've never seen a 3 way super ike between the big 3 with the 2500 diesels. I'd love to see this test with 15,000+ lb trailers!
He would have to have a CDL to do that. Right now since he does not have a CDL he has to legally go by the GVWR combined weight. As long as the combined truck & trailer are under 26,000 lbs he is good. So a trailer that weighs 15,000+ lbs would put them over that GVWR rating. They are doing this with a commercial business. So they have to put commercial plates on both truck & trailer to be legal.
@@BBBYpsi A 15000lb trailer and a 8000lb ¾ ton would put him at 23,000. Exactly why I want to see it. No cdl needed.
@@suspecttrigger Apparently you did not read what I put down because you cannot go by the actual weight if you Do not have ACD L you have to go by the GVWR. GVWR on most of these recorded 3/4 ton pick up trucks is over 10000 and that trailer is over 16000 GVWR.
@@BBBYpsi I didn't say THAT trailer. A trailer with a gvwr on 15,000 on just about any ¾ ton will be under. If I'm not mistaken GM is the highest gvwr right now on a ¾ ton. So a gvwr of 15,000 hooked to my GMC with a GVWR of 10,850 is good. Borderline, but good. And THAT is what I want to see. Load them up to the edge and run them.
@@suspecttrigger ok let me ask you this. Once loaded up full of gas what does your truck weigh?
Mr truck was talking during the dB reading for the ram. 5 dB is a huge difference, 2x the volume
My husband and I really enjoy your channels. You do a great, fair job on your tests and comparisons . You address real life scenarios and concerns. The one test we haven’t seen yet is carrying as opposed to towing. Have you/will you do any slide-in camper comparisons? It would be interesting to see how the “big three” stack up against each other carrying a medium and big (tip outs) camper, not only in the standard categories you test but also the handling. Keep up the great videos!
I agree Tow/Haul should stay whatever it was last like the exhaust brake does. Annoying to have to turn it back on each time.
Chevy baby! All day. Another great vid. ☘️🙏
GMC!
I’m more of a GM guy, but the Cummins is legendary, and the front end of the new Silverado looks like shit.
For reference my number one vehicle is a 2003 suburban K2500 4x4 with the 8.1. 20 years later they still have not made a SUV that can tow more. I had a 96 2500 with the 7.4 and set up to yank an f150 out of a ditch in a blizzard, and actually got out of the suburban to check halfway through the pull because I thought I had lost the f150 it was so effortless…. Me and my buddies pull down trees with it for fun because it was so ridiculously powerful. This is the biggest regret from my first marriage…. She took my beast….
The sad thing about Chevy is their premium interior is about on par with Ram's Tradesman interior. That Bighorn interior on the Ram is really luxerious. Ram has had this premium interior since 2013 and Chevy still hasn't figured out how to get it right.
I've got the tradesman classic it's a nice interior for the price 👌
22/23 they’re getting a major upgrade. I’m a Chevy guy, and yes I agree they’ve been slacking in the recent years though.
I have to agree. I’ve always been a GM guy and when I replaced my HD a couple weeks ago, I definitely noticed Ram was winning the interior game. Other than it really really felt “small” inside compared to the GMC I ended up buying. It really reminded me of my old 1982 RX-7 the way the windows all creeped in on your personal space. Didn’t like that - felt really small for what is actually a big truck!
@@AlbertaBoy247 Nice. So if I read that right you said the GM felt bigger on the inside over the Ram? Just curious cause I’ve never been in a new GM/Ram yet at all
@@go4brp2 Yes! I really felt claustrophobic in the Ram I test drove. Lots of power to be sure. It felt almost like a big rig, kind of rough around the edges -very “truck like” indeed. No doubt it could get the job done. The one I test drove was a 2021 3500 Limited with the Aisen transmission. It was way less than the GMC I ultimately bought and I loved the look of the interior. Hands down it was nicer looking and better to the touch than the GMC I ended up buying. And it was almost $30k less.
At the end of the day, it was the feel of the truck I knew wasn’t for me. I felt claustrophobic almost in there. So I got the 2021 Denali 2500HD instead.
Loved the flow of this video! Great information too. I liked that the natural element put these tests more inline with how i would use one of these vehicles. Definitely not a “Lab” scenario.
The Silverado is just a monster. Love the lights up front.
My Ram is not a better ride than my GMC 2500 Denali, both 2022 models. I prefer my GMC over my RAM. Not sure if GMC has different setting or tune in trans or engine? GMC brake in cruise control works great.
Well it is no doubt they are two very awesome trucks. I currently own a Chevy LTZ 2500 Duramax 2022 and I am Definitely in love with the truck. However I'm not sure if I could ever own a ram. When I'm towing something the most important thing for me is tow haul mode. If the ram can't stay in tow haul mode that may be a big problem. On the other hand, Chevy's diesel exhaust brake is definitely in need of a upgrade. They work beautifully when in cruise but I feel they should almost work without cruise if I'm being honest. Other than that most of the test were pretty fair. I do average much better fuel mileage than they said the Chevy had got. when running up the smokey mountains 6.8 percent grade I average about 5.5 mpg with a much heavier load at 9800. Still love the channel tfl is the reason I got a Chevy 2022 in the first place. Looked at a ram/ Chevy 2022 nothing compared to the power speed and the feeling of how durable the Chevys are on the road.
What kinda tow rigs are those with NO MARKER LIGHTS! I love a nice diesel but you gotta have the marker lights they look naked with out em, just my opinion
Love the Ike test. Y’all really need something around 9500 lbs to make the 1/2 tons work climbing the Ike and maybe giving the HD trucks just a bit more of a challenge.
I’ve towed a 9500 lb toy hauler up that hill a few times with a 2018 F-150 3.5L ecoboost. I passed a couple cars once. One time I was about 10,500 lbs and it was a dog close to the top. I was doing about 35-40 mph. Going down that hill was crazy!! 60 mph in 3rd gear. RPM’s we’re screaming at about 4700. I don’t know how many times I had to brake. It was quite a few. I actually have a bunch of raw videos that I never edited for the whole trip up and down the mountain from Denver.
There’s nothing better than watching TFL on the Saturday or Sunday !
Always cool to see Mr. Truck.
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Every Ike should have Andre and Mr Truck. Whenever they’re together you know it’s going to be an enjoyable video.
Andre and Mr Truck are the best !
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Please Run a second loop using cruise control. ONLY 16 miles extra. This duo is the best.
I drive this in my 18 l5p one ton dually duramax almost everyday. Usually towing masonry supplies. What you need to do is a durability test. 120k miles in driving this stretch of road constantly (live in evergreen and have a lot of work in summit) and not a single problem with the engine or tranny. Unfortunately GM should be sued into oblivion for the emissions system. I’ve spent north of $20k on emissions systems repair. It’s an absolutely horrendously engineered piece of trash. Great engine but the emissions system is a nightmare from hell. And the bad thing about the emissions system is that it shuts your truck down and forces you off the road.
The emissions on all of them are garbage.
delete the emissions
My work vehicle is a MB SPRINTER. The Adblue system is a pile of extreme crap. I understand the need to reduce emissions but these systems will bankrupt an ordinary owner. Thankfully the MB Sprinter is not mine. I am no fan of diesels. I know they tow well but can be crazy expensive in maintenance.
My 2020 Ram has been a nightmare, emissions issues that the dealer can't resolve or get parts for and the trans has been a real treat.... NOT! Buddy has a 18 GMC L5p and has had zero problems with the powertrain.
These newer Diesel emissions are scary
And 10,000 to 12,000 grand is scary
Thats why folks are giving fords 7.3 gasser a look
but it only has half the torque and no exhaust brake
What is a guy to do ?
12:58 That spring loaded hitch is used to activate the hydraulic brakes. When the towing vehicle applies the brakes, the momentum of the trailer pushes on the plunger, which works a lever attached to a brake master cylinder. The little piece that he flips up is the lockout so you can reverse without the brakes coming on.
These at least _used_ to be common here in Australia. Electric brakes seem to have increased in popularity in recent years. I don't know what it's like in America. It seems like you guys have had electric brakes since the '40s.
The more videos I watch of the Ram 2500 cummins, the more I want one. Its performance is truly impressive. Do I have anything heavy enough to tow to justify buying a HD diesel? No… but this is America dammit, and if I want a big truck, I can get a big truck
That's what I did
Ram all the way
The bracing from fire wall to the fender and it’s kind a like the shock tower brace but Dodge has these two . What is funny the tabs and mounting holes are on my truck so I need to measure hole to hole to see if the factory ones may fit, I’ll have to check .
Love TFL and the test that are run in real life scenarios. Mr. Truck and Andre are a great pair! The MPG difference surprised me. I thought the Ram would get better MPG, but expected it to be only a couple of tenths. I'm not surprised that the Chevy was a little quieter since the Cummins does have a low growl. I have owned both and currently own a Ram. I liked both more than gas trucks and was happy with the DMax and also happy with the Cummins.
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I'm not a Ram fan but that Chevrolet will never touch the Cummings. Love the video.
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I just came here to read the comments about people bitching about the test. 🙄
E😢😢ta try tretr😢
Hey tfl truck, the auto gm exhaust brake used to work with the cruise control. The cruise setting gave it a target to hold. The new ones might still be like that .....
Great to see an episode with Mr. Truck again.
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I always enjoy seeing Mr Truck on the videos 👍
It's great to be seen
I just bought the 2500 Duramax, so you know what I’m rooting for lol 😆. It’s a really nice truck and I’m loving it so far. Great to see Mr. Truck again.
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Sorry to hear that GM is building garbage you bought yourself a lemon dude
Had a 22 ram 2500 diesel, loved it
Chevy’s exhaust brake is turned on with the button but is activated by tapping the brake pedal once. You have to make one brake application to even test the exhaust brake. Just so you know.
I run the exhaust brake on all the time on my 2020 Denali and it comes on every time I let off the pedal instantly and immediately starts down shifting but it will work more aggressively if you touch the brakes or if you're using the cruise. Its fun to watch the the turbo vien position and and boost go up and down while it changes the amount of braking as needed.
I do wish it was more aggressive when it was full on though.
No you don’t, just so you know.
12:30 yeah, those are standard here in the UK
I love the portable "TFL studio" to keep you guys out of the weather, lol
You should do the "wrap ups" more often in that RV, it gives better sound quality
Impressive exhaust brake on the RAM. Nice to see Mr. Truck on the Ike Gauntlet with Andre again!
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22:42 "you can name the trailer" lol... I swear these high end trim levels have so many unecessary features. I doubt many of those fancy features and buttons will continue to work flawlelssly at 500k miles. My 2018 cummins 4x4 crewcab tradesman works like new at 387k miles, because it doesn't have a built in fleshlight with 500 buttons and switches
Some ones mad they can’t get a nice truck
I have the 2016 3500 Dodge Mega Cab with the Cummins did the delete on it all gone. It’s a beast.
You guys need to stop overhyping that small black series Chinese caravan, the Aussies tow them with rangers. They use our hd half tonnes to tow properly Aussie built off road caravans, that can go anywhere the truck can.
Now this is the stuff I'm interested in. I live in a caravan full-time in New Zealand and it's good to see the Aussie caravan with the door still on the passenger side for the USA roads.
I don't understand why the trailer brake location is such a big deal. In my truck it is on the left side and I only use the controller to set the brakes before leaving the driveway.
@HalfShell I'm right handed and I don't care that its on the left.
Payload, payload, payload. Rams 2500 achilles heel is the payload number. If you start adding a shell, payload management systems etc, the Rams payload gets seriously reduced, its why I had to go GMC in the 2500 series truck because with Rams payload number my set up would not work. So, for me, Chevy/GMC for the win.
I’m a Chevy guy but I just can’t with that front end. Hoping they redesign it.
GM build quality is absolute garbage
@@toddbob55 tell that to the thousands of Duramaxes and every l5p out there cause they can hold 1k horsepower easy. Try again bubba
Sorry I meant to say thousands of Duramaxes with over 1m miles on it and then every l5p out there.
At the dealer I work at, we install these caps on every split tailgate truck we get in because GM has not covered the damage in the past. Plus we operate in a bougie area, so alot of these trucks don't get used like trucks super often.
Great vid, you guys do a good job, The adds during the vid are getting out of hand, thats very annoying.
Thanks mr. Truck I learned something new today about engine brakes vs. exhaust brakes.
We're all learning about truck, glad it helped
@@MrTruckTV thank you! We can’t wait to see you on more episodes as always, Ken!
@@Zanderthelab Me too
I'm not going to lie... the cover on the hitch from the Chevy is a bigger deal than they made it. My trailer hitch stays in practically 24/7. Now I'm supposed to take it out every time just so I'll be able to open my tailgate??
Not the tailgate itself...it's for the multi-flex portion if your truck has that option.
It's always great to see Mr. Truck...a great show as always guys!
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The ride quality on the Chevy is likely due to more payload compared to the RAM, but that has always been one of RAMS weekness with the coil springs. Not a fan of RAM for that reason. They are creating liability for thsir customer if they claim 20k trailer capacity when you know you dont have the payload to support it.
That's not true at all.
I always install air bags, better directional control.
Awesome video. Die hard Chevy Guy has been driving a 1/2 Ton Ram Big Horn Crew cab since Sept 2021 . Love it. Definitely digging that 3/4 Ton Big Horn too.
I'm sorry. Missing out on the Duramax brother.
Ram just makes a better truck. We all have our favorites as they each have features that we all wish were in one truck. Been a mopar guy for years and wouldn’t switch sides.
I have owned them all, I would have to disagree that Ram makes a better truck. My 2020 Ram is a POS.
@@nospark333 I have a two rams and one is the trx. Love them both. My next favorite is a ford non eco boost model. My rams with the air suspension have been problem free since day one. I do believe some brands like ppl better than others. My first car was an Oldsmobile omega and was a pos. After that I have been driving mopar and Chryslers and zero issues. Got 340k miles on a lebaron gts turbo. Only one turbo replaces and a rebuilt tranny. Just time to get something else. This is why we see others drive other brands. We like what we like. Cheers 🍻
@@jimcole2648 considering that's all you buy, you really don't know any better, do you. Omega, you have to be kidding. Trust me, my K car was a real shit box.... Always said to myself no more Chrysler after that, but here we are....
@@nospark333 I may just be brand loyal but I do say family members and friends do drive other brands as well as mopar. I have had other brands, but mainly mopar. Yeah Omega was my first car. Yes apparently you don’t know better yourself. When you have luck with one brand other the other, you tend to stick with it. Didn’t hear what your brand is
Just bought 2nd Ram, they are superior to the other big 2 manufacturers all the way. Power, looks, ride... Ram has it all
I am a novice at towing. But imo,That would be intimidating towing in weather like that.
I've seen many videos where ppl crash while trying to tow trailers. Experience is a good thing.
TFL are pros
TFL and pros in the same sentence... that's hilarious.
@Wes Anderson
No it was. I did watch it.
Please do a comparison with gas versions of the big 3 3/4 ton trucks? I have a similar size trailer with a Tundra and I am out of payload. Looking at a 3/4 gasser. All 3/4 tests are with max towing, not with a medium/common size load like this. Please please please?
I believe they alerady compared the new 6.6 gasser vs the 7.3 godzilla in the HD trucks. Did you even look? 🤣
@@GMCJay_lly
I have 2020 6.6 gasser as my company truck. Hate it. Brakes squeal constantly, seats are very uncomfortable but it does pretty good on fuel. More interested in 6.4 Hemi
@@timpartain1301 On July 12th 2020 they did a video on the 6.4 hemi and the Ike gauntlet it was struggling...
@@GMCJay_lly was it with a max load or with a smaller trailer like this?
@@slaytanic921🤣 I'm not going to spoon feed the video to you. JUST WATCH THE VID . I gave you the 411. Use the search to find it.
My opinion on gm is that you need to use Cruze control uphill or downhill because the Cruze down hill won’t let the speed get up much more than 3-4km/h before it grade shifts and engine breaks and on the up hill with the Cruze the engine will hold the throttle perfectly and never let of the throttle hence keeping turbo pressure. (Just my opinion)
If they would just put the Allison 1000 in the RAM.... Game over.
The Aisin transmission they offer in the high output cummins trucks is their answer to the Allison.
@@GMCJay_llyIt’s a mystery why that transmission isn’t in ALL Ram HD’s.
I didn't see one comment about the fact that when you have a trailer hooked up, and turn on your signal light the Chevy/GMC shows a side view of your truck trailer. I pull a 32' camper with slide out with my GMC 3500 hd, with no problems