I Accidentally Overloaded My Ram 2500 Cummins By 1,000 Pounds & Guess What?
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Truck
1:43 Trailer
4:44 5th Wheel Connection
7:55 Will It Fit?
10:32 Safety
12:08 Bed Too Small?
14:34 Let's Drive!
16:50 Inside the Camper
20:48 Towing MPG
21:59 Total Weight
23:17 Overloaded!
25:04 Trailer Price
25:40 Verdict
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Hey guys great video. Slight correction on the trailer. Empty weight: 11,064lbs, GVWR 16,800lbs, Axle Size -2 X 7,000lb Axles. Some of the GVWR transfers to the truck which gives you a higher GVWR.
How does it give you a higher GVWR? GVWR of anything is what it is and is specified by the manufacturer. You can't just change it.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul Tandem 7,000lbs axles = 14,000lb but this GVWR shows 16,800. Since the truck is hauling the trailer in the bed of the truck, some of the trailer weight is now “transferred” to the truck and off the trailer. All trailer manufacturers do it and the rule of thumb is 10%-15% transfer weight.
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Yes, some of the weight is being carried by the truck, but that doesn't mean it "gives you a higher GVWR."
The GVWR is the GVWR no matter what.
I think you misunderstand the term GVWR.
Terms have meaning. The last thing you want to be telling people is that you get a higher GVWR.
How high? Does the GVWR go from 16,800 to 20,000 now?
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul I think you are totally misunderstanding what they were saying. The GVWR based on just the axles is 14,000lbs. But the trailer is rated at 16,800 because of the weight being transferred to the truck. Some trailers have their GVWR based on just the rating of the axles, which is true of most bumper pull trailers.
@@CompleteTrailers just because 'everyone does it' doesn't mean it's right. Camper is built as light as possible and then gets a tag it can barely support? The guy was so worried about the landing gear bending when hooking up.. utility trailers don't get tagged this way
Toy haulers are built to be naturally pin heavy when empty. This is to balance out the load of the cargo in the trailer when loaded so that the trailer maintains the right ratio of pin weight. I suggest doing a follow up video with a side by side loaded in the trailer. This would be a great demonstration to show why load and placement is so important when hauling 5th wheel trailers.
I’m surprised this isn’t the vast majority of the comments. That truck is fine once the trailer is loaded.
Funny how many “experts” will claim that loading toy haulers will take away tongue weight….when they are designed to be tongue heavy unloaded.
I have to move ballast to the rear of my toy hauler because I use it for mountain bikes. And I use the grill and most of anything I store in the pass through as ballast. Also the fresh water tank sits in front of the front axle, I usually leave it near empty unless we are boondocking. That water can balance out a heavy load in the rear, but for me it just adds tongue weight (100 gal tank)
Tfl still thinks measuring squat of relevant metric to compare trucks of different suspension design
... Any trailers for that matter. You don't want to get into a fishtailing nightmare because pin weight is too low!
I was going to say, throw some wait in the trailer and it'll balance out, when you do the math from the weigh in 8300lbs to over 11000 is 2700lbs of tongue weight, that's nowhere close to being withing the 10-15% tongue weight, that's 25%. Gross trialer weight you should have about 1600- 2700, should be pretty close to the gross weight of the truck. That said a 1 ton or a heavy payload truck would be better for sure
I think the ram 2500s are held back by the coil suspension. The Frame and axels are rated for more. I bet if you added airbags to that truck it would feel very confident.
One of the best ways to get people to watch a TFL video -- just let us ride around with Andre and Mr. Truck again. Always great fun, always a great video. Thanks whole bunches.
Mr Truck is blowing a line to sell trucks and RVs.
These guys are great together! 👍🏻
Thank you for watching and the kind comments!
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from the Internet it’s that payload ratings are vitally important, except for 3/4-ton diesels where they can be ignored.
Truest thing I’ve ever heard.
So true... however for the sake of longevity, I would say it depends on the truck and how much overloaded we're talking. I'd feel a lot better about overloading a Powerstroke with a 6R140 transmission than I would a Cummins with a 68RFE, and neither trucks rear axle is going to be very happy when overloaded as much as my boss does his truck lol
You're not wrong!
Unless something bad happens & insurance company decides not to pay out because of an overloaded truck....naww they wouldn't do that!
Lol thats awesome
Good to see Mr. Truck and Andrey together again!! I like the way you two play off of each other is great.
If Mr. Truck say that the way to do it,,, I would listen. He has decades of experience and as far as I have seen, is essentially always correct. I like how direct and professional he is when necessary and has fun with life any other time!!! Hahaha.
Even when I hook up my gooseneck flatbed trailer, I had the wheels blocked and hooked up the brakes just like they did here so you can set the brakes and apply them when you hook up with the 5th wheels. I had a 5th wheel flat bed, 5th wheel RV and the wheel car hauler. All great stuff. I only have the 5th wheel car hauler now. The flatbed I have is bumper pull as I never haul the really heavy loads any more, but do haul the occasional pickup or car in pieces as my next project. My last heavy load was a couple of bundles of 8 foot posts for a barbwire fence I am putting around my acreage at 4.99 acres.
It’s interesting how your needs and preferences change over the years for, owning a rather large ranch to being retired with a couple of acreages,,,,, hahaha.
Thanks, here is just 4.3 acres, so you have a bigger ranch than us
@@MrTruckTV mine is flat and covered in Alder trees with a nice 1.75 acre pond. No fun to 4x4 on!!! Hahaha. Trophy fishing is only 3 miles away though!!
When I REALLY had a ranch before retiring,,,, that was 8800 acres in the foothills, 1500 head of free range cows, and a 25,000 head feedlot!! Even doing the work with the range cattle was 4x4 ing!! Very real and very practical. A lot of what you guys do is also very real and practical! It’s why I watch diligently. Thanks fellas.
@@shitloveaduck Sounds like fun, I grew up on a farm and stayed for 32 years. Thanks for watching
If you're planning on buying a trailer, it's always best to buy too much truck the first time. Having to trade it in to buy a bigger truck will cost you more in the long run.
Great video with great information.
Keep up the good work.
Facts, I’ve always had this concept but others would say I’m doing too much. I rather have too much truck than to find out one day it’s not enough.
8ft bed and a 3500 is the only way I’d tow a 5th wheel. 2500s are for large travel trailers.
@@slscamg I tow a 30 foot travel trailer. I tow with a 2017 Chevy Express extended cargo van 2500 with the 6 litter V8. I wish it had the Duramax in it, but at the time I bought it and still today the only Duramax available for the van is the 2.8 4cylinder.
If the engine goes and the rest of the van is still in good shape I may look at putting a 5.2 liter Isuzu diesel in it. It's what most of the Isuzu box trucks run in them, and it's supposed to be a good engine.
No such thing as too much truck 😁
I went from a half ton Chevy 5.3 to a high output 3500 Cummins SRW. I never wanted to have to do it again
The squat on the truck should have been your first sign that you're overloaded.
love mr truck's insights on all things trucks
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Excellent video as always. The Ram 2500 rear axle is rated for 6,040 lbs and the front axle is rated for 6,000 lbs. You are only about 100 lbs above what the truck axles can take, so going to a dually would be way overkill. The Ram 3500 Single Rear Wheel truck will get you up to a 7000 lb rated rear axle and a 11,800 lb GVWR for a crew short. And as a bonus ticking the box for the Ram 3500 will enable you to get the High Output 6.7L Cummins that bumps the rating up from 370hp / 850lb-ft to 420hp / 1075lb-ft. Yep, 1075 lb-ft of torque and no dually parking hassles. 😎
It’s the pin weight and passengers that causes you to go over. Add pin weight with people and cargo in your truck. Illegal weight is illegal. Any weigh station will write you a ticket the cops care about cgvwr and gvwr. Doesn’t matter what you think your axles are rated for.
@@LANsolo12 I don't know where you live, but every state I have lived in bases the loading on axle ratings.
A dually is not overkill for a trailer that can weigh 16000 loaded. It is in fact exactly the tool for the job at hand.
Mr. Truck and Andre always have fun which is great to see. In these heavy haul scenarios, I think it'd be interesting to see how the RAM with SRW compares against a RAM with DRW, just for those people that are on the fence about which way to go. Use the same trailer, same load, same truck, same engine, only variable being SRW/DRW. But maybe you guys have already done this. I've only been following the channel for less than a year. Glad I discovered it. Keep up the great work guys!
It's been a few years but they did a instructional video as well as a 3/4 ton and 1 ton comparison video on this channel around 4 and 5 years ago
I would like to say, when you’re pulling a brand new trailer like that, always start with the brake gain low and then you can always go up from there. Cause if you start at 9, you’re gonna lock up the trailer brakes and flat spot the tires.
Always enjoy catching an episode of TFL. Have to say you all nearly hit the trifecta on this episode.
We have a Huge Truck pulling a Huge RV, only missing a Huge Boat behind the RV. This would be the trifecta of debt and misery. Lol 🤣🤣🤣
You really need an experienced 5th wheel RVer to teach you how to hook up properly. So many oversights. Love the channel.
"I'm not backing up near you!" and "grease the balls" got me to lol and immediately hit that like button! 🤣🤣🤣
You need a slider hitch when towing a 5th wheel with a short bed truck to avoid colliding the cab & trailer on tight turns. Exceeding the vehicle payload is the most common mistake made by people when matching an RV to a tow vehicle because most only look at tow capacity.
I run the Curt Slider hitch in my RAM. It weighs a lot more than the setup shown here.
320lbs. vs. 180lbs.
Payload reduced by a further 140lbs. ☹️
Aw yeah, my favourite truckers! Good to see Mr.Truck over here again🤙
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11000lbs - 8300lbs is 2700lbs. That trailer is putting 2700lbs in the bed. Not 1700
Great job to Andre and Mr. Truck. Great channel to learn & see products on the market. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for the kind comments.
I really enjoy videos with Andrei and Mr. Truck! Love the reviews with toy haulers, more please. Also great to see the hole hitch up process. Keep up the good work TFL!
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Very informative and detailed video. Andre and Mr. Truck are the dynamic duo!
Thank you for the kind words!
I'm a trucker by trade I luv the Teflon plates keeps the mess down but you still have to grease the king pin & the fifthwheel jaws.😊 Bumping the king pin the fifthwheel should lift the trailer legs off the ground by at least 1/4 inch. Plus the fifthwheel should make full contact when hooking up. Plus tug test is a must to make sure it's locked in.
Great video! Keep doing more real world content like this about towing campers and 5th wheels.
Thank you for watching! You bet we will do more!
Some comments: it is helpful to do a 'pull test' before you head down the road. If the kingpin is not 'locked' into the hitch and you pull forward the trailer will fall on the bed of the truck; a short bed truck typically has a 'slider hitch' installed so you can make turns up to about 90 degrees without blowing out the back window; it is always good idea to ensure the 'payload' of the truck is within the 'hitch/pin weight' of the gvwr of the rig.
Exactly what I was thinking. The slider hitch saves the cab. And saves the trailer...
This is why slider hitches were invented are great. Keep it close to the cab while hauling and slide it out for more maneuverability when parking, ect. My grandpa has one in his 18 ram short bed. He actually doesn't need to slide his for his particular 5th wheel set up which is nice, but he can if need be
Cool you just did this video, I just took my 20 limited megacab dually shortbed HO Cummins on a 5400 miles road trip pulling a 36’ gooseneck toy hauler, and it pulled so nice, like it wasn’t there with the dually honestly. My trailer only weighs like 11300 loaded though.
It’s always good to see Mr. truck back on the channel!
Nice job, I had a 03 F350 short bed that I used to pull a 45 foot weekend warrior toy hauler many years ago, had to have a slider hitch so it would clear the back of the cab when turning. The new trucks and trailers have come along way in 20 years lol
You did great. I would have suggested you test your king pin connection prior to taking weight off of Jack's. I've seen connectio s that look good not be fully latched. The result is caved in bedsides. And to test the trailer clearance asking is good bit pulling forward at full lock is more useful. I didn't do that once and had to replace a window on my Ram.
It's always best to raise your jacks a few inches off the ground (and chock the trailer wheels) before trying to test your king pin's lock. That way you are less likely to damage your jacks or drop the trailer down on the bed of your truck during the test!
@@rpsmith Yes - that makes a lot of sense!
No need to Chock the tires, use your trailer brakes.
@@rpsmith or manually lock the trailer brakes and pull away and mr truck great education through the entire video love you explained that king pin vs ball connection to the truck
@@farmkid7888 -- Trailer brakes are not designed to work in reverse and chocking the wheels is 100% reliable!
My 2022 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas has plenty of payload to hold that and the bed is a 5 more inches then that and it’s the short bed
I would suggest always chocking the wheels when coupling or uncoupling a 5th wheel RV. Rear axle weight rating is typically the limiting factor for SRW trucks and toy hauler 5th wheels. Then figure more people, water, tools, clothes- all adds up. My choice would be a dually for that (very nice) trailer. Just more relaxing to drive once you get into narrow, uneven mountain roads.
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Slider hitch fixes the restrictions on a short bed/fifth wheel. During towing it keeps weight on center of gravity, when backing up or tight turning (moving slow) it slides the tongue of trailer independently to avoid hitting cab.
On my 2014 Ram the 10K GVWR is just a number. If you total front and rear GAWR you’ll find the total is over 12K. I’m not sure why Ram does this, but these trucks are more capable than the GVWR.
I love RAM, but out of the three major brands RAM has the lowest payload. You’re right Mr. Truck RAM needs to step it up. Especially how much they cost now! Love TFL. I bought my 2500 based on your Guanlet testing.
Ratings are just a suggestion. I haul well over 30k a lot on my 3500
Payload was the reason I went for the 3500. Not a big price difference. Not sure why anyone would go for a 2500 if buying a diesel truck. I’m sure the 2500 can handle much more than what the sticker say. But if you end up in an accident with someone who start questioning your payload it will be expensive.
The payload on the Ram 2500 is a joke !
What formula does ram use to come up with that magical number for payload? GM 2500 diesel payload numbers are lots higher than ram and I don’t think they are built any stronger. Idk just asking.
Because 2500 don't want over 10k gvwr if you over it you have to do safety done every year. depends on your provience. 2500 front axle and rear axle is almost same with 3500. you can check the gawr.
Diesels are awesome, I used a 1998 Dodge 1ton dually 4x4 dump truck to haul gravel for a driveway, the GVWR on the truck was 12k lbs. When I left the quarry scale at over 18k lbs, the truck pulled like it was empty!
I love my LCI Turning Point King Pin on my fifth wheel for the 90 degree turns. Helps a lot in state and national parks.
Diesel in 3/4 ton simply doesn't make a ton of sense, unless you really just want a diesel and a smoother ride without doing too much work. The gas engine gives you way more payload, and in turn, a more usable towing capacity.
Love Mr. Truck, he's such a wealth of information
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That's exactly why I went with a single axle 3500 Ram. I couldn't find a long bed but the short works for me because I went with the Anderson ball hitch to pull my 32' 9" 5th wheel. The Anderson hitch is much lighter which gives more payload and I can install and remove it by myself. It also is more stable and smoother (you don't get the play that you get from a regular 5th wheel hitch). My Ram 3500 also comes with the Aisin transmission which produces more torque.
Also With the the Aisin transmission on the 3500 you get the HO cummins and the 11.5 differential.
I have an 06 lbz duramax as a work truck, completely stock 335 horsepower and I have towed a 27500 pound Traktor trough a mountain many times that has a 3200 foot elevation difference from one side to the other and never had any problems with it. I now also have a 2014 LML duramax full delete and a tow tune gets the job done a bit faster cuz it has 100+ horsepower
It is the torque, and the torque curve, not the horsepower actually.
@@calebniederhofer6529 yeah I know I just said horsepower to tell the difference between the 2
Don’t forget that the hitch alone probably weighs about 300#, which comes directly off your available payload. I have a short bed 2500. We use a slider hitch to allow full turns without worrying about the trailer hitting the cab.
Ya I was really surprised they weren't using a slider.
I always dig those leather vests you wear MrTruck. Great to see you back on a TFL video. You have been missed.
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@@MrTruckTV Hey Brother!!!! What's up Kent??!! I'm doing better now!! Thanks for the reply my friend!!
When hooking up, we always have the 5W's hitch plate a touch lower than our slider hitch's deck so that it basically guarantees the pin with be at the right height from the kingpin lock/release lever. If the release lever gets wrecked then you'll have serious issues getting the trailer back off let alone reattaching later. If it get's destroyed, you almost have to by a new hitch head.
BTW, we have the 6.75' bed on our Ford F-350 and there's no way the extra length prevents our 5W's cap from being able to hit the cab. And our 5W has a curved cap unlike this ATC. A slider hitch is really the only way to go with short beds. People like long beds so they don't have to worry about this, but the advantage to short beds is, even though they need a specialized 5W hitch, they usually have 200-300 more lbs of payload than the long beds.
I have owned several trucks and learned my lessons and this video shows several reasons I chose my 3500 Long Bed Dually to tow my 44' Toy Hauler. No jackknife worries (I can articulate past 90 degrees), no overloading worries (with or without payload in the garage) and I can load up the bed with all kind of stuff whiling towing and still have available payload. And the stability is by far the best part, a dually is easier to drive when towing and lowers the stress on a long trip. I understand those not wanting some of the hassle (parking can be a pain) and expense of a Dually but I only use mine for towing. For those not wanting a Dually, just get a 3500 Long Bed if you plan to tow a larger 5th wheel.
Thank you for doing this. People are overloading their trucks with 5th wheels all the time without knowing. Some 5th wheels for their length and weight do have less pin weight, but you have to check it and consider what you are going to load into it. You may even add much more weight to the tongue since many fifth wheels have tons of storage under a lift up bed.
I see more overloaded 3/4 tons than 1/2 tons on the road…..
@@MrJamesLuz Yep, People buy a Heavy Duty and don't think twice about slapping on a fifth wheel.
"I'm not backing up anywhere near you anytime soon" gets an immediate "like". ATC makes a nice trailer but there's a reason I bought a gooseneck Sundowner car hauler for racing that has a separate garage and living quarters. Love 8' bed, gives you 90 degrees plus.
I have a 2021 Chevy 2500 HD crew cab with standard bed. Bed is 6'-10". Rear axle is rated at 6600 lbs, tow haul wt is 23,000 lbs, and load rated at 3400 lbs on the goose ball. I believe my truck would haul it legally. I have a 5th wheel Avalanche that is 42 ft long and haul it easy.
I like this a lot. My wife had a 2005 crv that she loved but it was a mechanical nightmare. So we got rid of it with only 130k. This new one seems much better in every way.
Love the cowboy hat man. Texas approves! I love this channel. That was fun and enjoyable. I learned some things too. Keep up the good work!
Always great to see the partnership with Mr Truck living on… just watch out for thunder storms (toots) lol
My 2021 F-350 XL diesel dually CrewCab 4x4, 8 foot bed weighs 8700 with driver & passenger along with half tank of fuel on a CAT scale... With Solitude 5th wheel we hit 24k combined total loaded weight. I would use a dually on that ATC 5th wheel
I’d like to see you go back thru the scales with UTV/Jeep it the back of the trailer, just to see how muck load is taken off tongue weight and transferee to trailer axles. I’m sure it will still be overloaded or will it.
But remember, the rest of the front of that thing is empty. By the time you get food, drinks, clothes, gear, water, LP all forward of those axles...
Good video: You touched on a point but i dont think you know what you had or why. You mentioned the hitch height adjustment. If you raised it up, you would transfer weight to the rear axles of the trailer and ease up in the pin weight in the bed. Obviously there are limits but it does make a difference when your close.
Mine was 3 ax 17000, 11994 dry 37 ft. HRC next level its still doing the same job but with a 2005 5.9 slower on the bottom end but does it 3/4 crew cab dually. They bought my busness.
B&W makes a slider 5th wheel. I slide mine back a little bit towards the tailgate and have no issues with my Raptor getting close to my cab. Even at a 90° angle turn.
I have a 2019 RAM 2500 with Cummins engine, shortbed and a Curt slider hitch. I tow a 32 foot 5th wheel trailer with a GVWR of 9800 lbs. When I weighed my truck & trailer, my truck weighed 10,800 lbs. The truck GVWR is 9900 lbs. When I replace the truck, I will get the 3500 SRW.
Andre, all hat and no cattle. 😀
I have an older Ford F250 gasser and was amazed at how heavy it is. I licensed it for 16,000 GCVW and I pull a 10,000# rated car hauler, but because of the weight of the truck I can't get a full load on the trailer. The empty weight on the combo is 9800#. If I had it to do over again, I would have purchased a one ton.
Great video, just shows you how many people are driving around with a over loaded truck. And that was dry! That’s the scary part
Why so many accidents. RV flipping over
I have a RAM 3500 DRW. The tires are a little smaller on a dually so the bed is a little lower than on a SRW. A 5th wheel can turn/rotate over the bed with more clearance. I think the DRW ties are 1 inch smaller in diameter than the SRW tire diameter. 18 vs 17 inch if I recall correctly. Since the truck is a little lower and wider it is a little more stable. Been a fan for years.
Good to see Mr. Truck back. A couple things worth mentioning was not only were you over on the trucks GVWR but you also were over on the trucks rear axle rating. This is a Ram exclusive problem because GM and Ford offer more rear axle capacity. My 2500 Silverado has 6600 pound rear axle rating. So while this trailer may exceed a “derated” GM 2500s GVWR, it still wouldn’t be exceeding the rear axle rating which is 6390 pounds on the derated (10,000 GVWR) trucks. I think the same is true for Ford’s 10,000 GVWR trucks too.
I have the RAM 3500 CCLB/w the Cummins and Aisin transmission, love it. There is no way that pin weight is only 1700lbs with an empty trailer, you need to get your rear axle weight with and without the camper attached.
Before checking ATC's website I was going to say 1700 lbs was probably about right, but now that I have checked, it's a toy hauler. So ya, higher pin # but WOW does that thing have cargo capacity. I have a 5W that's heavier dry (but is nowhere near the ATC's max load capacity) and our pin weight is over 1000 lbs less even at basically the same length. Ours isn't a toy hauler though so that's where the weight diff is, and yes, why a dually would be the way to go without question on this unit.
I have a limited Ram 3500 Mega Cab and the payload for the SRW 1 ton is 3800#. Just to give you an idea for a high optioned truck. If it was a tradesman it would be much higher payload.
Mine was 5200lbs on a 1996 f350 it handled it just fine for 11 years of vending. With air bags. Now its only 1450 it likes it much better
did anyone else die laughing when the text said "the hook up" right after they were talking about greasing the balls?😂
I hot-shotted RV's for 4 years, and liked pulling 5th wheels. But I didn't get them very often; only about 25% of the time. 5th wheels are more stable in crosswinds because the hitch weight is carried right at the rear axle. The bumper pulls hitch point is about 5 feet behind the axle, which really gives it a long lever arm to move the back of the truck side to side, and up and down. I also think that 5th wheels are more fuel efficient if they could be compared on an equal basis.
Did you run weight distribution & sway control with the bumper pulls? If not, there is your problem. My Blue Ox works magic. Mind you, over about 15,000# I'd strongly prefer a gooseneck or fifth wheel, because the connection is simple and reliable.
I am also curious if the 5th wheels generally carried more hitch weight than bumper pulls, as that will also promote stability. I have seen others comment that bumper pulls are often setup for 1/2 or 3/4 tons with less payload capacity, while the fifth wheels expect a 1 ton.
my truck is just like yours, blue color. We have a fifth wheel, and I would feel more comfortable if it was a 3500 or get a GM or Ford with a better payload. I am disappointed at myself.
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Made me smile to see y'all fuel up at Sinclair.
My 1997 ram 2500 singles cab long bed would have no problem towing this setup with the proper tung weight, might not go as fast but it is rated for this.
I have been towing stuff since 1984 from the Midwest all over and out West through the mountains. I used to install, kit out, build and repair hitches and RVs along with stock trailers and equipment movers. In this area we haul tractors combines and other heavy stuff.
You could have tweaked your numbers on that whole system. You just need to put or move more of the weight rearward off of the truck onto the trailer. You already showed that you were running nose heavy. The positive thing about the type of set up you are running is that you can adjust and tune it.
Toy haulers are always nose heavy but that can be changed somewhat. you need to raise the nose and recheck the weight on the truck.
When I started to set up a hitch on a 5th wheel or goose neck trailer I always started with an empty weight of 12 to 15% initially. We would measure the truck before loading the truck for squat baseline. I have done this many , many times. You start to put your anticipated load on the trailer.
If your truck starts to lift immediately remove the load and put an additional 10 % weight on the tongue. Then reload the trailer. Watch which direction the truck moves . It should start to squat more after the initial slight raise. Most 5th wheel or goose neck trailers average 20 to 30% of load on the tongue when loaded heavy. When we hauled heavy combines or tractors it was an intense balancing act from front to rear. Once it was all dialed in we would install stop blocks or paint marks to make reloading easy. We also had paint marks for different settings on the hitches for different trailers and loads. We built one trailer with a scissoring goose neck using hydraulics and pin set points to make it more versatile.
There are many ways to make things work but I would suggest an 8 foot box if possible and a sliding or movable 5 th wheel hitch. I installed one in my own Dads truck and it served him for 15 years through 3 different campers.
Nice hat Андре́й! Thanks for the video guys!
Kent shaking his ass at 7:46. 😂😂
You need a wing off of a sprint car and mount on roof of pick up to push that air up above the nose of that trailer and you fuel mileage will go up about 2-5 mph but some times it doesn’t make that much difference it’s just how it works sometimes .
That's the problem with 3/4 ton diesels, not much payload for 5th wheels... Also, RV 5th wheels have a shaped front cap to reduce the chance of hitting truck can when turning.... Great and informative video as always!
Hitting the Pickup not a good idea
Right. A 3/4 ton makes the most sense with a gas engine so you get the extra 500-600 lbs of payload. It won't get off the line or pass traffic with a load like the diesel, but you'll be able to carry more stuff.
Put the Reese 20K sidewinder assembly in place of your curt hitch and you can turn 90plus degrees with the short bed and not hit the bed side wall or the back of the cab and will work with any 5th wheel plate in cludeing BandW companion
Literally every ram 2500 at our local dealer would have been incapable of towing this trailer empty. Their payload numbers were the most egregious
Fwiw. That's all part of a legal loophole. 2500 is designed to give you the most towing capability without needing a class a when using it for commerical.
@@davidflower295 From everything I have read, if you get into an accident while over your rated numbers then you could be held liable. In Tennessee having a 3/4 vs full ton is no different.
@@nerdyeevideos1879 When it comes down to attorneys in a personal lawsuit, anything is on the table. In terms of the eyes of the law, GVWR is for licensing and registration. GAWR, tire ratings and hitch ratings is where overloaded factors come into play.
What I mean by licensing is your driver's license limits. Having a 3500 with a 14k GVWR and a flat bed trailer that's empty(or loaded) with a GVWR beyond 12k will get you into just as much legal trouble in the event of a collision. In the event of a collision that causes a fatality, that can be a misdemeanor death by vehicle.
Being in a 2500 over the payload and GVWR, but within your driver's license restrictions, GAWR and tire rating gives you a bit more gray area wiggle room than being over the your license restrictions.
I ended up getting a 350 tremor even though as i understand it it is literally the same as a 250. Did it strictly for liability when we get a 5th wheel some day
Thank you. Very informative.
I’m so glad you made this video. It really shows your lack of knowledge. The gooseneck is not stronger than a kingpin.
I have the 2019 dodge 2500 I put a flatbed on it last year, and I keep my 32 foot flatbed gooseneck 9000k# on the back pulling my John Deere 650J dozer,
Combined weight of trailer and Dosier is 32,700 pounds. And it has never missed a beat.
Well let me rephrase that it’s had some problems with sensors and other diesel crap but never with any towing.
Always fun to watch Andre and Mr Truck together
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Yes, as you said, once you put a 2,000lb+ toy in the back the front weight will drop and that 2500 would be alright. Still better with a longer bed though. Those short beds on the RAM's are just super short for 5th wheels.
It will still probably be too much trailer for that truck and its
I always get a kick out of the “payload”, “Payload, “PAYLOAD”, “PAYLOAD!” Comments. I have a ford ranger with a payload of 1,400 pounds. My previous truck was a ram 2500, mega cab short bed with a 1900 pound payload. You can’t honestly, truly, 100%, believe it could only hold 500 more pounds weight than my ranger safely.
@@jominator3187 You really need to educate yourself on payload and how it works differently with different trucks!
@@jneihart2 oh so 1400 pounds on a ranger isn’t the same unit of measure as 1900 pounds on a ram?
Come on dude. Anyone with half a brain knows that there’s a more than 500 pound loaded capability difference between those two trucks. Its time to stop propagating bullshit that 2500’s are overloaded if you go over their payload. The vast majority of them are payload limited because the registration requirements are different in most states when you exceed a weight rating. Minus weight of the truck gives you payload. The vast majority of these 2500’s payloads look gimped because of it. Your a twat if you think that a 2017 ram 2500 mega cab can only hold 500 more pounds than a 21 ranger.
@@jominator3187 you also don't have an 1,100 lb motor in your Ranger. Educate yourself on payload capacities.
Some 5th wheel MFGs are cutting angles into the front to help with the turning clearance and wind resistance. Maybe try one of them in another video.
99% of people on i75 in Michigan with 3/4 ton 5th wheels are overloaded 😂😂
So much truth in this statement
Same applies to Australia
If you load the trailer garage behind the wheels, it will reduce the pin weight. A toy hauler is designed to be loaded to balance the weight
awesome! been needing some andre and mr truck content 😂😂
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@@MrTruckTV my pleasure man! i haven’t been seeing enough of you or nathan. even andre. this was a blast as a long time viewer 😂🙏🏻
I average about 16mpg with a dump trailer. Weight in between 17,000 and 21000 most of the time. The emission stuff really hurts the power and mpg for sure. I get about 26 when I have no load. 2006 ram cummins.
8:51. Andre's naughty side comes out sometimes. 😂😂🤣
The payloads have been out of whack for years now. Mr. Truck is absolutely right.
To me it seemed like the 2500 can handle the weight easily. Ram probably sets the payload where it is on the 2500 so they can sell more 3500’s in the end it’s usually always about money.
When towing a trailer of this size with any 3/4 ton truck, a set of auxiliary air springs helps to raise the king pin height and shift the weight to the trailer axles.
As for Ford and GM having a marginally longer bed on a short bed truck, none of this matters if the 5th wheel bed connections aren't centered over the axle. The trailer extended hitch does move the king pin location rearward, but does little to change the fulcrum point on the location of the king pin.
Out of the big three, IMO, I'll take the RAM with the Cummins for two reasons and it has nothing to do with the RAM truck, but the engine brake. Having a engine brake that will bring a 19,000 load to a stop means more than a horse power number.
The second is that the Cummins develops it's torque at a lower rpm that the V-8 Power Stroke or DuraMax.
The commercial scale location should be able to allow you to change the elevation of the king pin height and see the change in what becomes tongue weight. On the spread axle toy haulers, you'll find the front axle will carry close to 60% of the trailer weight until you load the trailer storage area down.
Great video...I feel real bad now..I have the same truck ,and with my truck camper on fully loaded I weigh in at 11540 says the CAT scale! In my defense, I have tembrens , tire upgrade all new HD wheel bearings yada yada...no trouble in 35k miles..BUT....Gulp!
It is a safety feature regarding tongue and towing rates. No, the trucks are not rated at 100 percent. Depending on the brand, they are usually rated within the 75-85 percent range. Other than that - I love the video. Very informative.
I have the 3500 ram dual rear wheel. Don’t bother with the single wheel, imagine a blow out😳🤔😥. I tow a 43 foot toy hauler triple axel . I upped the brakes to hydraulic over electric and improved stopping. Thanks TFL . 🇺🇸
I have a 3500 SRW I put F load tires 🤙
Great video and to see Mr. Truck!
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Mixed review for me seeing the results you came up with.
When hooking up a fifth wheel on any vehicle you always want the truck to lift the trailer so the kingpin can seat correctly.
But one thing for that you should not do that you at the 12:37 - 12:54 mark is walk under the trailer while it was moving to show the jackknife angle
Very unsafe move right there of being under the trailer, between the rear of truck & front of trailer
Always chock the front and back side of the rear trailer wheels before you connect and disconnect your 5th wheel trailers!
Would raising the 5th wheel height one inch change the geometry enough to move weight to trailer?
I doubt it, but without the atv's a sxs's in the back, the tongue weight will be too high. After loaded, they you can dial it in
It’s been awhile that Mr. Truck hasn’t showed up. Nice 😊 seeing you back.
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