I'm learning Teeline for 2 reasons: 1) Some of my classes require impossibly fast note taking. 2) I think it's cool. I like to stand out, and I'm sure this will help with that.
Probably because Teeline is simpler or feels more accessible than Gregg. Gregg is phonetic with lots of abbreviating principles -- she said in the video that Teeline is based on the alphabet. So it's not as fast, but it takes less time to learn.
Sue, I was teaching myself Gregg, but I was told that one can read previously taken notes much easier with Teeline. After watching a few of your videos, Teeline looks somewhat like Gregg. Is it much easier to read previously taken notes in Teeline or not?
depends. if you don't write your vowels in Teeline to write faster, it makes you write faster but it will be harder to read. I like to add the vowels after I'm done taking a dictation while what was said is still fresh in my head. If you don't do that it will be a lot harder than gregg because vowels are often mandatory already. But either way you can still transcribe Teeline pretty well
I learned a bit of both before switching over to Gregg, the original old Anniversary Gregg from the 1920s. Well written Gregg is easier to read because it includes some vowels, there are loads of special brief forms (which people complain about but once you know them they're extremely handy, so you write speak as sp, practice is prct and so on) also the prefixes and suffixes are totally standardised so disjoined b after a word means -ability. So capability is written cap b. But if you want something quicker to learn that you can learn as much as you want to and not bother with the finer points then Teeline is definitely the one to go for. With Gregg you really have to go all in or not bother. Badly written Gregg is really hard to read, and there's a real knack to writing so it looks fluent and natural like in the textbooks, took me months to get there. I'm revising the final stages again by reading Alice in Wonderland in pre-anniversary Gregg (1916) of course a lot of it just looks like squiggles until I concentrate and focus but now and then I can read whole words at a glance. Gregg takes quite a lot longer to master though. By the way some of the websites make a big deal about Anniversary, Pre-Anniversary, etc but they're nearly the same. I started with Simplified but when I realised they'd cut some of the best bits out (like there's a way of simplifying words with removal of unnecessary consonants so admires is written mi with the I on top and squashed (which means -ires). It feels incredibly smooth to write, all loopy and curly. I love it!
A big difference. Any system that is too reliant on shortforms that require memorisation and can't be traced back to some logical underlying base pattern is not a good system. Teeline has too many shortforms to memorise that can't be worked out from the basic system. Forkner is also learnable within a few hours.
It's not a big deal to learn Forkner. If you have a few hours spare you can learn it. Then you can use it at leisure. There are some PDFs of the original dictionaries and teaching guides on the web, but most rules can be written out on one page. It's basically just keeping most consonants as is, then dropping the vowels into diacritic marks. Learning the simple and logical codes for the suffixes and prefixes is also helpful. That's all there is to learn.
Because most people will put in a few hundred hours trying to learn Gregg and in the end will have nothing to show for it. You could master Teeline in that much time. And if you want to get faster you can start working in some Gregg characters, so you're sort of writing in a hybrid language, and you keep getting faster as you improve.
@@jeffw1267 I started off switching between the 2 (couldn't decide) eventually went with Gregg (the original old version) but it took a long time to get it right. One advantage I found was being able to get whole books translated into Gregg for reading practice. I use shorthand mostly for writing notes and they have to be legible years later, not just days when I still remember context. Learning to write that accurately (not too scribbly) took some time.
@@thanksforreading33 Over 99% of learners would never need to achieve even 150 wpm. Students that are using it to take notes don't need to write down every word anyhow. You write down the key words and Teeline is fast enough for that.
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I'm learning Teeline for 2 reasons:
1) Some of my classes require impossibly fast note taking.
2) I think it's cool. I like to stand out, and I'm sure this will help with that.
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Thanks for these videos, it's almost impossible to find any free lessons on any type of shorthand so this is brilliant! Very good lessons, too.
Thank you SO MUCH! I'm learning teeline to take notes in school, these lessons are profoundly helpful.
I bloody love you shorthand sue
My shorthand teacher is called Susan. I'm so calling her Shorthand Sue when I next see her.
Thank you shorthand sue! Bonus that my family grew up in Southport, so I love hearing your accent! xo Roz
Probably because Teeline is simpler or feels more accessible than Gregg. Gregg is phonetic with lots of abbreviating principles -- she said in the video that Teeline is based on the alphabet. So it's not as fast, but it takes less time to learn.
This was the best method! Thnx!
Sue, I was teaching myself Gregg, but I was told that one can read previously taken notes much easier with Teeline. After watching a few of your videos, Teeline looks somewhat like Gregg. Is it much easier to read previously taken notes in Teeline or not?
depends. if you don't write your vowels in Teeline to write faster, it makes you write faster but it will be harder to read. I like to add the vowels after I'm done taking a dictation while what was said is still fresh in my head. If you don't do that it will be a lot harder than gregg because vowels are often mandatory already. But either way you can still transcribe Teeline pretty well
I learned a bit of both before switching over to Gregg, the original old Anniversary Gregg from the 1920s. Well written Gregg is easier to read because it includes some vowels, there are loads of special brief forms (which people complain about but once you know them they're extremely handy, so you write speak as sp, practice is prct and so on) also the prefixes and suffixes are totally standardised so disjoined b after a word means -ability. So capability is written cap b.
But if you want something quicker to learn that you can learn as much as you want to and not bother with the finer points then Teeline is definitely the one to go for. With Gregg you really have to go all in or not bother. Badly written Gregg is really hard to read, and there's a real knack to writing so it looks fluent and natural like in the textbooks, took me months to get there. I'm revising the final stages again by reading Alice in Wonderland in pre-anniversary Gregg (1916) of course a lot of it just looks like squiggles until I concentrate and focus but now and then I can read whole words at a glance. Gregg takes quite a lot longer to master though.
By the way some of the websites make a big deal about Anniversary, Pre-Anniversary, etc but they're nearly the same. I started with Simplified but when I realised they'd cut some of the best bits out (like there's a way of simplifying words with removal of unnecessary consonants so admires is written mi with the I on top and squashed (which means -ires). It feels incredibly smooth to write, all loopy and curly. I love it!
Hi there, can this shorthand skill be used to interpret?
hi sue
what do you think about Forkner shorthand?
Forkner is the best alpha shorthand system imho.
@@yggdrasil9039 whats the difference between forkner and teeline?
A big difference. Any system that is too reliant on shortforms that require memorisation and can't be traced back to some logical underlying base pattern is not a good system. Teeline has too many shortforms to memorise that can't be worked out from the basic system. Forkner is also learnable within a few hours.
@@yggdrasil9039 im learning stenoscript at the moment
And I was wondering if it would beneficial to learn forkner as well?
It's not a big deal to learn Forkner. If you have a few hours spare you can learn it. Then you can use it at leisure. There are some PDFs of the original dictionaries and teaching guides on the web, but most rules can be written out on one page. It's basically just keeping most consonants as is, then dropping the vowels into diacritic marks. Learning the simple and logical codes for the suffixes and prefixes is also helpful. That's all there is to learn.
Great but just a question: why teeline when gregg's is much faster?
SIMONEVITTORINI cause Greg is hard to learn
Because most people will put in a few hundred hours trying to learn Gregg and in the end will have nothing to show for it. You could master Teeline in that much time. And if you want to get faster you can start working in some Gregg characters, so you're sort of writing in a hybrid language, and you keep getting faster as you improve.
@@jeffw1267 I started off switching between the 2 (couldn't decide) eventually went with Gregg (the original old version) but it took a long time to get it right. One advantage I found was being able to get whole books translated into Gregg for reading practice. I use shorthand mostly for writing notes and they have to be legible years later, not just days when I still remember context. Learning to write that accurately (not too scribbly) took some time.
Hi, can anyone answer my query?
Is it normal to reach 160wpm in teeline shorthand?
i think the upper limit is 120 wpm but at the moment im trying to to how to increase it. gregg simplfied is 150 wpm on average.
@@thanksforreading33 Over 99% of learners would never need to achieve even 150 wpm. Students that are using it to take notes don't need to write down every word anyhow. You write down the key words and Teeline is fast enough for that.
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great lecture. does teeline shorthand require a tutor?
I don't think so.
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