Love the videos! With 2 young boys that started archery hunting this year I was thankful to find your videos on the deepower. Might of had take out a second mortgage for broadheads and arrows at the rate there were going 😁
The key with the 344 is to make sure u get each edge to 44* and a burr with the 240 grit before moving on to the next grit. Most the work is done changing the original 60* angle to 44*. Once u hit 1200 they r really sharp. Take them to 2500 then polishing oh boy three blade heads can get very sharp.
So you can’t lay the head down flat? I’ve gone from 220-1000 grit, cuts paper great without folding over the paper but I can rub my finger across blade and not cut my finger. How do recommend getting the right angle if you can’t lay the head down flat on the sand paper? Thank you.
using these currently, performed great with higher FOC arrows but i increased the durability of these MIM (metal injection molding) broadheads by heat treating and tempering them in the oven 400* 1.5hrs. holds edge retention and sharpness a lot longer and the tip hardness is also improved. imo the rock hardness improves from common kitchen knife steel to something closer to tool steal.
@@ewoknativeI hate to burst your bubble but these heads were already heat treated from the manufacturer. What you did made them weaker or if your lucky it didn’t do anything at all. Zero gain. People! Do not do this!!
W😳W, great review, I’ve said before that there’s no excuse for anyone shooting junk heads after watching your reviews, now you’ve found anyone on a budget a great head as well!
I was hoping you would have shot the sharpened one into the cardboard again to see the penetration difference sharpened blades makes. Love these testing videos, you are FOC KING AMAZING !
Sharpness doesn’t really affect penetration nearly as much as people think. I’ve dulled broadheads with a file and they penetrate almost the same as those that are razor sharp. Sharpness does affect bloodletting though, as it cuts tissue more effectively and cleanly.
I bought the deepower crossbow bolts with lighted nocks. They weigh less than the bolts that come with the crossbow. I'm happy with them. 4 out of 5 work perfect with a 125 grain swhacker. Can't say that for the bolts that came with the crossbow
You should test savage village broadheads they are a cheap Amazon broadhead brand and the ones that look like g5 montecs shoot great and I have harvested two deer with them I would be interested to see how they hold up to your test!
I got the 100 grain version after watching your review of the previous model. Out of two different packs I had some very erratic flight upwards of 10 inches of variation out of a bow that shoots larger fixed blades very well (magnus stinger). Maybe I just got some bad heads but they spun perfectly. Only thing I haven’t done is check the weights but I wouldn’t expect to miss my target entirely from a slight weight variation. Might try them again because I like the design and obviously the price.
@@greekmaster1001 that was my old bow so I’ll try again but it would stack magnus and alien heads on top of my field points then about half the deepower would fly way off my point of aim. Some of the deepower heads would fly well, others would constantly hit in the same spot off the mark but in different spots depending on which one I shot, leading me to believe the bow wasn’t the issue.
I had the exact same experience. My Magnus black hornets fly like darts out to 70 yards. These were pretty squirrelly. My groups at 40 yards opened from 3" to getting worried about missing my target.
I've not been happy with Deepower lighted nocks. Tried both arrow and crossbow bolts. Some never worked out of the package, others worked for a few practice shots, then stopped working.
@@cyberadventures4845 they did the same for me worked for a few shots then nothing a few didnt work out the pack ether. had the same luck with wodys nocks
I'm sceptical with the use of stay sharp guide. What did it do to the pyramid tip? I imagine that the pyramid will be hollowed on all of its three sides causing the pyramid to be weakened considerably. The previous strength test is all nulled and void!
It didn't affect the pyramid tip at all. And it didn't affect the durability by any quantifiable amount. You'd be surprised by how little steel is removed...just a few grains.
I always shoot a sharpened head for the first penetration test. But you'd be surprised by how little sharpness affects penetration. I've dulled heads with a steel file and had them penetrate almost identically to the razor sharp ones.
Well, I cannot test every batch. I can only test the ones that I have. And those performed as shown in the video. But anytime you are purchasing a lower cost head, there is usually going to be a quality control difference versus a very expensive head.
ADDICTED to your reviews BUT I always wonder why not do an “out of the box” sharpness test? Appreciate the rest after the first test, but for a stats geek like myself, would like to know what the baseline was and how it degraded - love the vids, need more hunting videos too!
Good one John! Well done as usual. Got a new hashtag for you? #consistentlyinformative I think you would do a great job of testing arrows too? Next chapter or addition? Straightness, weight, uniformity, flight, strength. All right up you alley! #aimsmall #beinformed
I’ve watched some penetration tests and through these tests they found that if a broadhead is longer than their cutting diameter then they got deeper penetration. Have you noticed this at all with all the testing you have done? Also, it would be nice to weigh each broadhead in the packs you receive to see how closely they compare. Do you also do spin tests on all the broadheads in the packs to see if they are all straight? Thank you for all the testing that you do. It really does help with choosing what broadhead I will be using.
I always spin test and weigh the heads I test. I've found just the opposite--the shorter they are, the better they fly and penetrate--there is much less friction.
Ok I probably had it backwards then. Lol. I love the tests. I really enjoy seeing all the different broadheads tested and I like how you test name brand and non name brand. Most other channels only stick to the ones that’s already made a name for themselves.
Hey John. I’m a huge fan of fixed blades when I’m hunting elk, but I’m constantly searching for a reliable mechanical for whitetail. What would you consider to be your two favorite mechanicals? Also, thank you for all of your testing videos. I look forward to watching them every time you post a new one!
I think his highest rated mechanicals this year are the Sevr 2.0's. Check out his video on them - they're super impressive. His video convinced me to run them this season.
Interesting...they flew well for me. But they do have a lot of surface area. They got a score of 14 on flight. The max for a fixed head is 16. Max for a mech is 20.
Hi John. Is it possible to find out what tool steel was used and how hard they made it. To survive the cement block I would say the broadhead should have been at least 55 to 60 on the Rockwell scall. Just surprised it didn't break.
i been waiting for this test. i have 18 heads that are VERY similar in design. they have been great, i found the easiest way to sharpen them is on my flat nicholson single cut file, only takes a few strokes to shave hair. these style heads are by far the best deal going. i would honestly choose these over QAD exodus...and i did. the only thing i dont like is that they eat up expensive foam broadhead targets REALLY fast.
I bought the Deepower pack of 100's over a year ago. I have the soft foam Hornet broadhead targets & I didn't want to pull that head back out of it. I have a couple of self healing foam targets by SEVR that I shoot my Valkyrie broadheads into. If I shoot a Valkyrie into the foam target I actually have to shoot it with 2 Hornets stacked one in front of the other & back it up with a bag target I made. Just don't want to shoot any arrow that goes through everything & then hits a backstop behind it. I'm on flat ground @ 🏡 & I do shoot 3D targets from up in a 🌳 so there's no backstop needed there.
@@josephtreadlightly5686 less than a month ago i bought a new Delta McKenzie Big-8 target (almost $200). it does stop the arrow fine but when i remove them sometimes chunks of foam come out of the target. it hurts to see my new target losing chunks in less than a month. i think if i only shot field points at it, it would last forever.
@@yourmomma2995 Yeh, the 3D targets I use my field points. The Valkyrie system is very different. They make field points with the same Centerpin system that the broadheads have. That means they r match grained to the broadheads. Both the Broadheads & field points have a very high tolerance type of steel that they fly the same as long as all your arrows r the same & tuned perfectly to your bow. But with that system with the field points I have 4 to 5 inches sticking out the backside. It's great for training your brain where the exit hole is when shooting @ different angles & distances from up in a 🌳. More people should very doing it so u get familiar to what is a good shot & what is not. It's not about distance but angle. I use the smaller Delta McKenzie targets so everytime I'm up in the 🌳 practicing I can put 1 in the heart & 1 double lung shot. That's 8 arrows & then I come down from the 🌳 & check the backside of the target.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I decided to use exodus broadheads because of your reviews. Glad to report tonight I shot my first deer with one. Quartering towards me. Right behind the front leg, came out right in front of the back leg on the opposite side 🙌🏻. 50 yards and piled up 👍🏻
@@JasonW479 Nice, I like the quartering to shot but up close & only when I can come in from above the deer with the broadhead. I setup on deer where the shots r close & most of the time a deer @ like 28 yards is hard to tell cuz of the cover if it's a buck or a doe. In that case quartering to I hit the deer in the chest to the side of the shoulder closer to the neck so the arrow exits right behind the opposite front leg. The deer is close so I am ready & waiting for that front leg to be back & not in a forward position. That way the angle of the shot allows the head to cut through the thoracic cavity & since the opposite side front leg is forward it exits on that side well in front of the diaphragm. Over time I can get every shot along with the deer going down on video. Sometimes the deer gets just out of the view of the camera but u can hear it crash. I hunt tight quarters & a dead deer going 100 yards due to property lines has lost me the ability of a recovery. But everywhere I hunt I have to hunt the fringe & it's always gun season in my area during the rut. With over 30 deer per square mile the opportunity is there but the methods I use dictate whether I can hunt there or some city slicker that just moved into the area to shut me down for good. It's the reality I live in.
Love the videos! With 2 young boys that started archery hunting this year I was thankful to find your videos on the deepower. Might of had take out a second mortgage for broadheads and arrows at the rate there were going 😁
:) Thank you
The key with the 344 is to make sure u get each edge to 44* and a burr with the 240 grit before moving on to the next grit. Most the work is done changing the original 60* angle to 44*. Once u hit 1200 they r really sharp. Take them to 2500 then polishing oh boy three blade heads can get very sharp.
So you can’t lay the head down flat? I’ve gone from 220-1000 grit, cuts paper great without folding over the paper but I can rub my finger across blade and not cut my finger. How do recommend getting the right angle if you can’t lay the head down flat on the sand paper? Thank you.
Yep. Thought I shared that in the video.
using these currently, performed great with higher FOC arrows but i increased the durability of these MIM (metal injection molding) broadheads by heat treating and tempering them in the oven 400* 1.5hrs. holds edge retention and sharpness a lot longer and the tip hardness is also improved. imo the rock hardness improves from common kitchen knife steel to something closer to tool steal.
@@ewoknativeI hate to burst your bubble but these heads were already heat treated from the manufacturer. What you did made them weaker or if your lucky it didn’t do anything at all. Zero gain.
People! Do not do this!!
Man!!! These guys are really something. Great testing John. Ty for showing us the stay sharp again. Amazing system.
Thank you
Extremely impressed by Deepower! I have their lighted nocks for my crossbow this year.
Right?
W😳W, great review, I’ve said before that there’s no excuse for anyone shooting junk heads after watching your reviews, now you’ve found anyone on a budget a great head as well!
:)
I love the 100gn heads. Also using the stay sharp products. Thanks to you and your test. Thank you
Great.
Have you ever considered including weighing the Broadheads? That would be a cool addition to your testing.
I always weigh them, but it's quite "anticlimactic"-- virtually every head is within tolerance.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I guess that would be a little boring, good to know the weights are that close.
Best so far imo, thank you for the review
Thank you
Thats a slammer for sure especially with a big poundage bows. Flite looked great too.
Thanks again John.
Thanks Mike.
I was hoping you would have shot the sharpened one into the cardboard again to see the penetration difference sharpened blades makes.
Love these testing videos, you are
FOC KING AMAZING !
Sharpness doesn’t really affect penetration nearly as much as people think. I’ve dulled broadheads with a file and they penetrate almost the same as those that are razor sharp. Sharpness does affect bloodletting though, as it cuts tissue more effectively and cleanly.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for clearing that up.
What a great video which I have been looking for, thank you very much
Thank you
Just orderd a pack for myself. This is a hard deal to pass up. Another great test,
Thank you Chris.
I bought the deepower crossbow bolts with lighted nocks. They weigh less than the bolts that come with the crossbow. I'm happy with them. 4 out of 5 work perfect with a 125 grain swhacker. Can't say that for the bolts that came with the crossbow
Nice.
You should test savage village broadheads they are a cheap Amazon broadhead brand and the ones that look like g5 montecs shoot great and I have harvested two deer with them I would be interested to see how they hold up to your test!
Thanks for the tip.
Nice sold blade head , definitely worth hunting with specially on tough game , nice review John 👍🏹
Thank you
I got the 100 grain version after watching your review of the previous model. Out of two different packs I had some very erratic flight upwards of 10 inches of variation out of a bow that shoots larger fixed blades very well (magnus stinger). Maybe I just got some bad heads but they spun perfectly. Only thing I haven’t done is check the weights but I wouldn’t expect to miss my target entirely from a slight weight variation. Might try them again because I like the design and obviously the price.
More than likely your bow is not as tuned as you think
@@greekmaster1001 that was my old bow so I’ll try again but it would stack magnus and alien heads on top of my field points then about half the deepower would fly way off my point of aim. Some of the deepower heads would fly well, others would constantly hit in the same spot off the mark but in different spots depending on which one I shot, leading me to believe the bow wasn’t the issue.
I had the exact same experience. My Magnus black hornets fly like darts out to 70 yards. These were pretty squirrelly. My groups at 40 yards opened from 3" to getting worried about missing my target.
i have noticed the larger cutting diameter heads can get more squirrely, the ones i shoot are 100gr and 1 1/8" and they fly nicely.
Thanks for sharing that. I didn't have that experience.
I've not been happy with Deepower lighted nocks. Tried both arrow and crossbow bolts. Some never worked out of the package, others worked for a few practice shots, then stopped working.
I was planning on picking up some of those. That’s interesting Johns experience has been so different.
i agree 100%.
I'd say same about NAP lighted nocks. Avoid these as well!
@@cyberadventures4845 they did the same for me worked for a few shots then nothing a few didnt work out the pack ether. had the same luck with wodys nocks
All the ones I’ve purchased have worked and been as durable as nocturnals. Between son and I we’ve purchased 18. All worked great. Highly recommend
Now that’s a good performer! Less than $33 for a 6 pack is amazing!
Right?
I might have to grab some of these too fool around with. Still love my ramcats
:)
For a cheap head dam! That's not bad. Love the sharpening. Show that again with other heads, PLEASE!!!
Thank you
The markup on most broadheads must be huge.
Right? And advertising is really pricey!
I'm sceptical with the use of stay sharp guide. What did it do to the pyramid tip? I imagine that the pyramid will be hollowed on all of its three sides causing the pyramid to be weakened considerably. The previous strength test is all nulled and void!
It didn't affect the pyramid tip at all. And it didn't affect the durability by any quantifiable amount. You'd be surprised by how little steel is removed...just a few grains.
Think it would be beneficial to shoot a SHARPENED HEAD FOR PENETRATION ALSO WEIGHING EACH HEAD FOR CONSISTENCY. ??
I always shoot a sharpened head for the first penetration test. But you'd be surprised by how little sharpness affects penetration. I've dulled heads with a steel file and had them penetrate almost identically to the razor sharp ones.
Great test! Do you find that the quality is consistent batch to batch? I'd imagine there is significant variation at this price point.
Well, I cannot test every batch. I can only test the ones that I have. And those performed as shown in the video. But anytime you are purchasing a lower cost head, there is usually going to be a quality control difference versus a very expensive head.
ADDICTED to your reviews BUT I always wonder why not do an “out of the box” sharpness test? Appreciate the rest after the first test, but for a stats geek like myself, would like to know what the baseline was and how it degraded - love the vids, need more hunting videos too!
Thank you Adam. I always do an "Out of the Box" sharpness test. I just call it, "Initial Sharpness." Those are always straight out of the box.
Really surprised. Great design though. Options for many hunters.
Yep.
Good one John! Well done as usual. Got a new hashtag for you? #consistentlyinformative
I think you would do a great job of testing arrows too? Next chapter or addition? Straightness, weight, uniformity, flight, strength. All right up you alley! #aimsmall #beinformed
:) Thanks Dozier
My youngest son killed 2 hogs with one shot using these heads. It held up great. He’s using them for deer this year
Good to hear
I’ve watched some penetration tests and through these tests they found that if a broadhead is longer than their cutting diameter then they got deeper penetration. Have you noticed this at all with all the testing you have done? Also, it would be nice to weigh each broadhead in the packs you receive to see how closely they compare. Do you also do spin tests on all the broadheads in the packs to see if they are all straight? Thank you for all the testing that you do. It really does help with choosing what broadhead I will be using.
I always spin test and weigh the heads I test. I've found just the opposite--the shorter they are, the better they fly and penetrate--there is much less friction.
Ok I probably had it backwards then. Lol. I love the tests. I really enjoy seeing all the different broadheads tested and I like how you test name brand and non name brand. Most other channels only stick to the ones that’s already made a name for themselves.
I have some of each they put out man the 125gr 1 1/4 head is a beast right there with the exodus 1/3rd the price
:)
Nice, thanks for sharing
:)
Good to know I didn’t waste my money
Ok
WASTE YOUR MONEY HOW THESE HEADS TESTED GREAT??
Hey John. I’m a huge fan of fixed blades when I’m hunting elk, but I’m constantly searching for a reliable mechanical for whitetail. What would you consider to be your two favorite mechanicals? Also, thank you for all of your testing videos. I look forward to watching them every time you post a new one!
I think his highest rated mechanicals this year are the Sevr 2.0's. Check out his video on them - they're super impressive. His video convinced me to run them this season.
SEVR 2.0 & 1.5, enuff said.
No doubt its the Sevr--I.5 & 2.0. Most durable mech there is.
Wow amazing
Right?
I'm wondering how these would work out of a crossbow at 360 fps?
Hard to say...I'd prefer a mech for crossbows, like the Sevr Robusto.
Awesome Broadhead, it looked as though it got Sharper after the Concrete Shot ... 🤣👍
Right?
Hmmm...I tried these and I've found them to be a bit squirrelly at 30+ yards.
Interesting...they flew well for me. But they do have a lot of surface area. They got a score of 14 on flight. The max for a fixed head is 16. Max for a mech is 20.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures what mechanical scored 20 ???
I got my first deer with the 100gn ones. Nice video! I think you might need to work on your tape measure skills a bit though 👍
Nice. That’s great to hear
What’s your favorite overall Amazon Broadhead??
Deepower for a generic--either the 1.5" three blade 125 gr or this solid one or the 1 1'8" solid one.
Awesome head for the price!
Yep.
They resemble the Tholian spacecraft from Star Trek.
:)
Hi John.
Is it possible to find out what tool steel was used and how hard they made it. To survive the cement block I would say the broadhead should have been at least 55 to 60 on the Rockwell scall. Just surprised it didn't break.
i believe they say 420 stainless and 48 rockwell hardness.
@@yourmomma2995 Thanks bro 👌
I'm not really sure. But strength is not just based on the type of steel and hardening process..but the geometry as well.
Would these be considered barbed?
No
No the way the back edges are swept forward they will not hang up in deer. Pulling mine out of a target is smooth and easy.
Nope
Is this considered barbed?
No they aren’t. Compare them to the non-barbed QAD Exodus heads. Same blade over shaft design.
@@HuntsT Thanks!
Nope
i been waiting for this test. i have 18 heads that are VERY similar in design. they have been great, i found the easiest way to sharpen them is on my flat nicholson single cut file, only takes a few strokes to shave hair. these style heads are by far the best deal going. i would honestly choose these over QAD exodus...and i did. the only thing i dont like is that they eat up expensive foam broadhead targets REALLY fast.
I bought the Deepower pack of 100's over a year ago. I have the soft foam Hornet broadhead targets & I didn't want to pull that head back out of it. I have a couple of self healing foam targets by SEVR that I shoot my Valkyrie broadheads into. If I shoot a Valkyrie into the foam target I actually have to shoot it with 2 Hornets stacked one in front of the other & back it up with a bag target I made. Just don't want to shoot any arrow that goes through everything & then hits a backstop behind it. I'm on flat ground @ 🏡 & I do shoot 3D targets from up in a 🌳 so there's no backstop needed there.
@@josephtreadlightly5686 less than a month ago i bought a new Delta McKenzie Big-8 target (almost $200). it does stop the arrow fine but when i remove them sometimes chunks of foam come out of the target. it hurts to see my new target losing chunks in less than a month. i think if i only shot field points at it, it would last forever.
@@yourmomma2995 Yeh, the 3D targets I use my field points. The Valkyrie system is very different. They make field points with the same Centerpin system that the broadheads have. That means they r match grained to the broadheads. Both the Broadheads & field points have a very high tolerance type of steel that they fly the same as long as all your arrows r the same & tuned perfectly to your bow. But with that system with the field points I have 4 to 5 inches sticking out the backside. It's great for training your brain where the exit hole is when shooting @ different angles & distances from up in a 🌳. More people should very doing it so u get familiar to what is a good shot & what is not. It's not about distance but angle. I use the smaller Delta McKenzie targets so everytime I'm up in the 🌳 practicing I can put 1 in the heart & 1 double lung shot. That's 8 arrows & then I come down from the 🌳 & check the backside of the target.
Thanks
They use your you tube video on the Amazon site for their nocks. Lol .
Haha.
🏹🎯
:)
You need to make some commission lol. You’re selling a ton of these
Right?
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I decided to use exodus broadheads because of your reviews. Glad to report tonight I shot my first deer with one. Quartering towards me. Right behind the front leg, came out right in front of the back leg on the opposite side 🙌🏻. 50 yards and piled up 👍🏻
@@JasonW479 How far was your shot & were u in a 🌳?
@@josephtreadlightly5686 I was in my saddle , probably 17 feet high. Shot was right at 28 yards
@@JasonW479 Nice, I like the quartering to shot but up close & only when I can come in from above the deer with the broadhead. I setup on deer where the shots r close & most of the time a deer @ like 28 yards is hard to tell cuz of the cover if it's a buck or a doe. In that case quartering to I hit the deer in the chest to the side of the shoulder closer to the neck so the arrow exits right behind the opposite front leg. The deer is close so I am ready & waiting for that front leg to be back & not in a forward position. That way the angle of the shot allows the head to cut through the thoracic cavity & since the opposite side front leg is forward it exits on that side well in front of the diaphragm. Over time I can get every shot along with the deer going down on video. Sometimes the deer gets just out of the view of the camera but u can hear it crash. I hunt tight quarters & a dead deer going 100 yards due to property lines has lost me the ability of a recovery. But everywhere I hunt I have to hunt the fringe & it's always gun season in my area during the rut. With over 30 deer per square mile the opportunity is there but the methods I use dictate whether I can hunt there or some city slicker that just moved into the area to shut me down for good. It's the reality I live in.
KEep hunting with high fences
I can't remember the last time I hunted a high fence place...but I have no problem doing it...especially for hogs.