You obliterated a $27 broad-head for us with your own money, not to mention the most difficult broad-head to find on the market. You have the best hunting channel on TH-cam, thanks for all the time and effort you spend on these videos, you’ve saved me a lot of time and grief!
I’m sure like everyone else I was dying to see you test these! Thanks for the review. I’ve been trying to get my hands on a pair of these but it’s super hard!
I shot two mature bucks and a doe with these. They performed perfectly. All shots were through the lungs, on one of the bucks it shattered the offside shoulder. The doe traveled 34 yards and was dead in 4 seconds of being hit. The two bucks traveled 64yards and 73 yards before they ran out of blood. These were large bodied mature bucks, one was in KS and the other was in Colorado. All three were whitetails.
I shot a doe with these last Saturday after getting some of the first drop. The entrance and exit holes were the same as Lusk got on his test. The doe went about 100 yards on a heart shot. I did notice the blades did close up a little bit on the heart to about an 1.5” cute. Blood trail was pretty good. Not the best, not the worst.
Thank you Charlie. I really appreciate it. I’ve gone 60 years pretty much surgery free. And then now I’ve had five surgeries since May. Sheesh. Three of them have been back surgeries and then two were to remove blood clots caused by the back surgeries. I just had some discs fused a couple weeks ago, so the recovery will take a bit of time. This certainly was not the 60th year I was dreaming for. Ha ha. You never know what’s around the corner. I’m just praying and hoping that 2025 can be much better on the physical Front. I appreciate your encouragement, brother.
One thing that hard impacts test in the concrete block for example, is where the weak points are in your ENTIRE arrow system. Even an extremely tough broadhead can only do so much if the insert and/or arrow shaft disintegrates, splits, or splinters and the impact drives the broadhead BACKWARDS thru the arrow shaft instead of FORWARD thru the animal. Thanks for all the testing.
Allegedly the new model coming out is made from, Bugatti springs Warthog titanium Diamond blades triple cold forged 2 pack for $99 dollars and it comes with magnum finger protection. I am excited to try these ones out John, these should work great on deer.
A lot of people mentioning his name and saying not sure if it would be good josh bomar himself explains the stories that have been told against him i think He’s a genuine good ass guy and very intelligent in many facets I can’t wait to get a pack of these broadheads and glad you did this review appreciate the work and content i think these are going to change the broadhead market drastically for the good this is a home run not only for josh but the hunting industry itself
You know there are broadheads that already do this right? Spring loaded head also swiveling/pivoting blades...been done. And to think Josh Bowmar designed these is laughable.
@@wcb5890 really find me a broadhead that is spring loaded that gains energy when deployed and has independent blade movement to avoid bone sevr has blades that pivot but not independently like this i get it ur mad its okay
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that.
One nice feature is the “activation wings”, didn’t know what to call them; don’t cover up part of the cutting surface of the blade like other similar heads.
Order of importance, 1. Flight accuracy. If it doesn't hit where you aim nothing else matters. 2. Lack of deflection. Saying on path through hide, bone and organs. 3.Penatration. Getting in deep and creating damage to vitals. 4. Sharpness. (For me is connected with penetration somewhat). Sharper = more blood=shorter track. 5. Durability. Not saying it isn't important, just not my top deciding factor. I will rarely use a head again after. Sevr, I'll replace blades, Magnus I'll hit with the stay sharp. 6.Price point per head. At $27.50 each, 54.99 for a 2-pack is a no for me. It's a nice head, but the deer can't tell If they were shot with a $27.50 Beast or a $15.99 Sevr 1.5. Love all your tests. Thanks for all you do for us hunters.
@@grant6608I agree. I bought the grip and it started coming off the riser after one round of shooting. Seemed like a very cheap product. I threw it away.
John...did the blades remain fully locked open into the gel when it stopped? It's at an angle that we can't see the blades. 125 grams before AND after is VERY LEGIT!! I bet that "might be" the best for a mechanical for both OOTB sharpness and blade retention sharpness, Not sure you even have had a fixed at 125 grams OOTB and retention have you? Maybe the IW or QAD Ex or Slick Trick original?
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that due to the sticky, constant pressure nature of it...and it's one of the things I don't like about using gel in the first place.
Yes. I have them and was about to test them, but then Josh was about to release the new titanium model, so I waited. Now I’m recovering from another surgery so it will be a while till I can do that, unfortunately.
Suspect of the blades ability to stay open as they pass through the animal, also thought the name of the broadhead was playing off of another well known hunters brand. Of course with the recent controversy surrounding the Bowmar name, it might of been sound marketing putting someone else's brand on it.
That spring crap is hilarious. Lamborghini springs lol. Any gun owner knows that magazine springs can stay compressed for decades without issue and they are cheap.
Considering how sharp and how well the blades hold up I think the 15 pound spring is plenty to keep them open in an animal because the arrow isn’t gonna putt 15 pounds on force on the broad head if the total KE of the arrow is 65 - 75 pounds with that entire force being spread out along the entire cutting length / penetration. I honestly think those blades will cut through whatever animal it’s being shot at before they encounter enough force to close up enough to where they don’t work well.
I’m not disagreeing these look awesome. But for the value I can practice with the sevr, they are stronger, and way cheaper, I don’t need gloves to close them, and ultimately give the same cut. I look forward to see the gen of these. Josh is going to fix these issues im sure.
Ive got 4 does and a buck down with mine thus far very impressive heads i really like this one just hope he comes out with lil heavier models and really wish they'd sell 3 pks especially with mechanicals only getting 2 for 55bucks is a hit but ive shot 5 critters and not 1 head is damaged yet and still all pretty sharp
@theincredible9168 I use ethics inserts and sleeves but would rather have more weight in the head itself with solid steel ferrule like my sevr robustos that's what I'm talking about
I’m rocking black eagle rampage heads with a 56 grain insert that comes with the arrow, 21% foc shooting 125 grain exoduses and I’ve blown through everything I’ve shot
If I were to try a mechanical head this is probably it. The “ give “ action of the spring loaded blade as it slides over or through a rib is to me a great concept. $27.50 each is gonna scare a lot of people off buying these. ( like the cost of one meal out for two anymore) lol
Can you give your input on how Josh Bowmar shot his broadhead into a cinder block many times without it breaking. His concrete can’t be the same as yours or mine. Check out his video if you have a minute
My favorite expandable heads have been NAP Killzone (Huge Holes), Rocky Mountain Warhead SS (fly like Darts), and purchased some of the Max one knock off Range stainless heads due to these videos and been impressed. This head looks Nice but most expandable heads do the job if hit them in right spot. Thanks for Reveiw
What keeps the blades from closing when they go through the animal? All you have to do is apply slight pressure on both blades to close them? Something isn’t right about that.
I thought his review of this head seemed kinda biased. Or paid off. Big ole ding outta the blade in the durability test and he's like "it's in great shape" on the mdf, also didn't look like they opened. Then the apple test didn't even show the blade opening on an apple and got a "nice". I don't use mechanicals anyway, but this test just seemed a bit off of his normal standards. 🤷♂️
@@mm2_Arya all I can say is he’s generally pretty solid about testing broadheads. Maybe verbiage didn’t add up with what yours would have etc but he’s pretty consistent from videos to video. I’m surprised with 7075 aluminum that heads don’t get more bashing honestly. Grade 5 titanium seems to be the upper end of heads now days
I’ve got the sevr 2.0s to test as well. I’m not sold on this pivoting blade style honestly. I shot a very big 13 point recently and hit him very high. Middle of the body but very very high. Zero blood on the arrow. Thought it was merely a flesh wound. I shot him with a trypan. I found him dead 200 yards from where I shot him a few days later. I literally didn’t even look past 100 yards after I shot him bc the shot was so high. Never found a drop of blood anywhere till this day. One of the blades clipped his spine and awhile he was running I’m assuming his spine gave out and broke not allowing his back legs to work and he laid there and died. With a pivoting blade that deer never dies more than likely. It would pivot around the spine and be a flesh wound. When I say 1 inch higher and it may have missed him I might be exaggerating. The blades on the trypan had to have hit in a way wheee the could open vertically and one blade nicked the spine just enough. If I could post a picture on here of entry and exit there’s not a human alive that wouldn’t bet his house and say that deer never died.
Only thing concern me is that the blades aren't locking at the open position, and its only tension is the 15lbs spring, which may not be enough spring tension to cut through thick hides and muscle tissues. Though I do have to say this may be the sharpest broadhead ever on your channel.
I think that’s fair my concern is the blades won’t stay open the whole time but if it averages 1.5 cut that’s still plenty to kill. The other thing is your arrow is probably impacting the animal with 60 pounds of force spread out over the entire length of penetration and 15 to stay open sounds pretty good to me considering how little force it takes to cut with these broad heads
I dont know if you just didnt show it correctly or what, but they didnt seemnto really "spring" back into place when you talked about them hitting bones
Wow love these !! I bet you don’t even need to shoot these into a target lol. One question did the blades stay open while it was going thru the gel? I know typical gator style heads don’t but since this is different with that spring I was curious. If so I’m a buyer !
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that, due to the constant "sticky" resistance. That's one of the things I don't like about using gel in the first place.
Great broadhead videos! Wouldn't you think the stored energy in the spring would cause less penetration since it's opening in the opposite direction of the arrow? Opening that fast and if they contact anything somewhat hard (like a rib) then that much energy is pushing in the opposite direction of your arrow... Feel like that should be a negative bonus point?
The blades are deploying in the same direction that the arrow is moving. So it is not working against the forward momentum. And the thought is, that they do not take away from that forward momentum, like they do in other mechanical broadheads. They sure seemed to penetrate well.
Don’t walk barefoot in your yard with that extra blade floating around somewhere in the grass! I question whether I would want my blade to go around a bone versus blasting through it. Do you have a chart somewhere that compares all the models you have tested? Thanks.
Haha. True that. It's better than being in my basement like I was in Iowa. Sheesh. At the end of each year, I put out a Spread Sheet with all the scores of each head in that year. It's in the last vid of the year: Broadhead test Summary. You can see them for 2021 and 2022 on my channel.
I'm extremely surprised how sharp the blades actually are and how sharp they stayed after being used and I'm surprised how well it did through the the steel plate. I mean the concrete I guess kind of a given. But yeah I'm very impressed with this. Wasn't sure being from bowmars
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yeah but you could show a few. I shot a 125 schwacker through mesh the other day and I was very surprised that it hit the bullseye at 20 yards. I have a crossbow though.
I’m not sure of a minimal poundage, but I think they would deploy out of pretty much any adult bow. They definitely deploy well when there is a taught medium like hide.
I'd like to see you add a score for price. Maybe "bang for the buck" Or something. Also for the mechanical heads maybe try a watermelon or pumpkin. They test heads very well.
I always list the score in the video description of every broadhead. But I've decided not to give a score based on price, because everyone's budget is so different.
I’m not sure about them closing around bones like they say. As you tried to demonstrate in the video, they would only spring closed to go by a bone, when you pushed both blades at same time. When you pushed one at a time it did not look like they wanted to move. How often are you going to hit a bone on each blade? I suspect a decent amount of deflection if only one blade hits a bone. I’m not saying all other broadheads wont, but these guys are advertising theirs do…we’ll see i guess. I’ll have to take someone else’s word for it.
good somehow (sharpness, durability), but didn't the blades open at all when you shot the MDF? And what was the cutting diameter in the apple? You're hiding some of the results :--)
I don’t hide anything. I don’t care about the opening in MDF. It opened very well in the Apple. I don’t get anything from this company, so I tell it like it is, with the tests I perform.
I'm a no on this head. I noticed the wobble on impact which would hinder penetration somewhat. Josh is stud and pulls about 90 lbs which may be what is needed for a pass through which i personally prefer.
Great mechanical head. I’d change to Titanium tip and ferrule, a larger diameter pivot pin and .070 stainless blades with a 200 gr weight for the higher F.O.C. It would be indestructible and capable of handling large game such as elk and moose ethically.
That's a tough mechanical. Pins held the blades well. The blades didn't get pushed back like most mechanicals. Josh hit a home run with this one if you want a mechanical head.
They say they can. However, since I’m now more familiar with crossbows, I know that there is no “standard” rating for crossbows. They not only vary greatly in speed, but also in the pressure put on the broadhead as they’re being shot. So in general, the answer to your question is Yes. But to be sure, you’d have to shoot them thru yours.
I always want to practice with the exact Brodhead I hunt with. I don’t like any broadhead that I can’t shoot into my broadhead practice targets . I recall shooting the Zeus broadhead into my broadhead target and not being able to pull it out without pulling out the insert. This looks like maybe the same problem ? Way too many moving parts for me !
i will take a hard pass on that one, the blades don't lock or stay open, just as i expected, its pretty much a gator style head. I'd bet the blades were forced closed in the gel, and layered cardboard test, just like they were in the steel. Then we come to find out that the ferrule is much more hollow than it looks from the outside, because they have to stuff a spring and the other little fidgety parts inside of it.
The whole point is for it to not stay locked open so it can go through/around bone instead of redirecting it or stopping it. He’s killed Cape buffalo with these. Any animal in North America will be killed by these no doubt
I’ve been waiting to actually see these tested by a third party. I don’t like mechanicals and I’m not a fan of Bowmars, so I don’t have high expectations. However, if they work, they work. I’m not the kind of guy to dismiss a product, good, or art because I don’t like the artist/designer. My prediction is they are at the normal industry accepted sharpness for a mechanical, they probably won’t hold their edge as well as fixed blades, and they’ll be destroyed in the cinder block. I imagine the ferrule will do fine in the mdf and steel sheet, but the edges will look like crap after the steel. Penetration will probably be what we all expect from mechanicals. But let’s see. And here we go. lol. Lawsuits inbound
@@progradepainting3755so I said I wasn’t a fan and didn’t really like them. I never said they were bad people or I hated them. What I do not like about the Bowmars are a couple things. First, anytime people talk crap about them or their products they are quick to send legal cease and desist letters. If someone is talking smack, just ignore or even have a conversation about it and move on. Why threaten to or sue? Second: Josh Bowmar did commit wildlife violations to some degree in the semi-recent deal out west. I would not call him a poacher. I don’t think he violated fair chase, but he was definitely flirting with it and he did violate other hunting laws. Such as the suppressor on the firearm while recovering the Mulie. I don’t think he shot the buck with a suppressed rifle, it’s on video him shooting it with a bow. However, it’s also on video of him recovering it with his guide, who was armed with a suppressed rifle slung on his back. In my opinion, Josh and Sarah were guilty of violating multiple minor laws through ignorance of the law. I don’t believe they were intentionally violating the law, but they should have researched better. At the end of it, the only responsibility he took was “guide bad, we didn’t know. Maybe we should have, but we didn’t.” Third: Josh cannot accept criticism of any kind from the public. He routinely deletes comments that are not entirely positive. I’ve seen one of mine deleted, where I commented about a long shot on an alert bull elk where he struck it in the back ham. He clearly had to make a follow up shot, the arrow was still in the ham and if I remember correctly, there was signs of a second shot on the chest cavity. I commented about “nice bull, but” maybe don’t take a shot at 80+ on an alert bull in the future. I wasn’t scathing or mean, offensive, or calling anyone names. I pointed out out the selective editing, the not speaking about when he hit, etc, but I wasn’t mean. Other hunting channels take their failures and are transparent. That’s where I believe we ought to be. Like I said. Not a fan. But I don’t think he’s the worst thing in our community and I wouldn’t be opposed to sharing a hunting camp with him. I just wouldn’t seek it out. Also, I would tell him this to his face. Because again, I don’t think he’s evil or anything, but I think he has a lack of taking responsibility and is very aggressive when it comes to his image.
@@progradepainting3755lol sorry I have an opinion that differs from yours. Btw, just watched the review. I’ll have to go check penetration depth in cardboard to other mechanicals and sharpness, but otherwise just like I predicted. Ferrule blew up on concrete, edges were noticeably damaged on steel plate. While it looks like a good mechanical, it obviously ain’t the best thing since sliced bread like it’s advertised.
That is total marketing. Springs can stay in it’s compressed position as long as they want. Springs wear out from cyclic loading, not from static compression. *We learn this early concept in engineering school.
Really? That's kind of like say, "How many variations of bows do we need?" There quite a few significant differences between this and the Rage :) Both are 2 blade rear deploying mechs, but that's about it.
I’ll stick with my NaP Ti 2 bladed sling blade with a free floating 2 3/16” cut. No springs, o rings, mechanical, or rubber bands to use or fail. They were on sale at Midway USA for $22 per 3 pack. Simple, effective, and cheap. The aluminum ferril for almost $20 a head? Ouch.
Apparently they got caught poaching so they would look successful in their hunting videos so I haven't supported them by watching but pretty good mechanical broadhead.
The outfitter they used got busted for it with a different client. Not them. They just got all wrapped up in it. A lot of info out there and some good podcast explaining more.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures the cons are hard to find. I try and shoot diffrent heads after each kill. The last 2 days I’ve taken 2 with the 1.5 Sevr. I’ve started giving heads away because I can’t find a reason to keep trying other heads. 1.5 seems the perfect balance for me. Not so big penetration is sacrificed and the blade deployment style creates a nice wound channel.
I cannot bring myself to buy these, not only do I need to do everything to keep my 80# carbon PSE as quiet as possible, but now with these blades opening at over 700 mph essentially breaking the sound barrier….the deer is 100% going to come unglued and drop so HORD at the mini sonic boom these broadheads produce upon blades opening!!!!!
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I live your content & tests. Have you ever done a test on Palmer Extreme Cuts?? (The bigger version of the the former Phantom both made by Muzzy).
i do not predict good things to come from this one. i don't understand how the blades lock/stay open, we shall soon see. the ferrules look beefy enough but everything else has me wondering. 😀
I am guessing the blades are independently compressible like the VIP heads. It would be awesome if someone could figure out how to get reliable deployment with that style of head. My fear with the bowmar head is that it will lock itself closed after passing through a scapula or through the middle of a rib. We shall see as they say.
I'm not sold on expandables. I've seen too much deflection with them. Heavy pound bows they may be fine. I been hunting 50 years ill stick to my 3 blade fixed they shoot like darts and through most all bone.i have nothing against the bowman I think they are good bowhunters he's always on big deer
@@LuskArcheryAdventures just want you to know that I am a hunter, conservationist, and archer. I appreciate what you do. I'm always torn between Grimm Reaper MH, Magnus Stinger 4 blade, and Muzzy trocar (fixed).
Probably one of the better mechanicals ever designed, I will never use it. The Bowmars are not a group that I want to contribute money to. Not even because of the legal issues that have apparently been resolved, but because of the shots they take. In the last 3-4 years they've wounded so many animals and taken so many risky shots I just don't have it in me to support them. I mean when you wound a hippo at 20yds and put everyone's life in extra danger, in the same year you decide to try and long bomb a brown bear and end up wounding it so badly that it couldn't even get up and run away the next day, or the about 6 bucks that they've gut shot in recent years, that just turns me off as someone who values my quarry so much. I get that things happen in archery, but not on the scale that they do it.
You obliterated a $27 broad-head for us with your own money, not to mention the most difficult broad-head to find on the market. You have the best hunting channel on TH-cam, thanks for all the time and effort you spend on these videos, you’ve saved me a lot of time and grief!
Thank you! I really appreciate the encouragement.
I have never seen such an in depth review on TH-cam! GREAT VIDEO !
Thank you! That’s my process for every head I test. Pls check out my other vids as well :)
I’m sure like everyone else I was dying to see you test these! Thanks for the review. I’ve been trying to get my hands on a pair of these but it’s super hard!
Thank you.
you can pre order them. i preordered 3 sets yesterday.
I shot two mature bucks and a doe with these. They performed perfectly. All shots were through the lungs, on one of the bucks it shattered the offside shoulder. The doe traveled 34 yards and was dead in 4 seconds of being hit. The two bucks traveled 64yards and 73 yards before they ran out of blood. These were large bodied mature bucks, one was in KS and the other was in Colorado. All three were whitetails.
Good to hear. Thank you for sharing that experience.
Does the spring get full of guts after hitting a buck with them? And do they perform close to the same after shooting 3 deer with them?
Good stuff! Thanks for testing these so early!
I was glad I had the chance.
Gonna try these on antelope this fall if I get lucky and draw a tag! Should be a great broadhead for them!
Thanks for the awesome testing review!
Nice. Good luck
I new you were gonna make a video on these soon i've been waiting. Love your videos.
Thank you!
I shot a doe with these last Saturday after getting some of the first drop. The entrance and exit holes were the same as Lusk got on his test. The doe went about 100 yards on a heart shot. I did notice the blades did close up a little bit on the heart to about an 1.5” cute. Blood trail was pretty good. Not the best, not the worst.
Thanks for sharing that experience
It’s a big bummer that the blades don’t stay locked open.
check out the SEVR's@@leafinitup1
@@leafinitup1the whole point of it is to not stay locked open
@@hunterrowan1348 doesn’t make any sense. I want to blast through the bone, not go around it.
Good show. I liked this head.
Thanks
Michael Herrell
Thanks Michael.
What a cool head ! Glad you tested it when I heard about it I was hoping you would do a review on it
Thank you
Hey John….i just saw your comment about a surgery. Not sure what it’s for but praying for your speedy recovery friend. Love your channel. 🙏🏼❤
Thank you Charlie. I really appreciate it. I’ve gone 60 years pretty much surgery free. And then now I’ve had five surgeries since May. Sheesh. Three of them have been back surgeries and then two were to remove blood clots caused by the back surgeries. I just had some discs fused a couple weeks ago, so the recovery will take a bit of time. This certainly was not the 60th year I was dreaming for. Ha ha. You never know what’s around the corner. I’m just praying and hoping that 2025 can be much better on the physical Front. I appreciate your encouragement, brother.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures hang in there my friend. Better days ahead.
Great looking head, I would give them a try. Hoping Bowmar makes a more swept back 1.5" version
Cool. Maybe he will. But the way the blades retract helps them to penetrate better than a typical 2 blade might.
Those are impressive!
Yep...and they're making a stronger, titanium ferrule version now.
One thing that hard impacts test in the concrete block for example, is where the weak points are in your ENTIRE arrow system. Even an extremely tough broadhead can only do so much if the insert and/or arrow shaft disintegrates, splits, or splinters and the impact drives the broadhead BACKWARDS thru the arrow shaft instead of FORWARD thru the animal. Thanks for all the testing.
Yep. I’m blessed to shoot some incredible arrows
Allegedly the new model coming out is made from,
Bugatti springs
Warthog titanium
Diamond blades triple cold forged
2 pack for $99 dollars and it comes with magnum finger protection.
I am excited to try these ones out John, these should work great on deer.
:)
I would really like to give these a try I think they are amazing designs!!
Thanks for the comment.
Sharpness is impressive but I would still buy Sevr before these heads.
Hard to beat the durability of a Sevr.
beast durability is pretty good too 👌 😮
A lot of people mentioning his name and saying not sure if it would be good josh bomar himself explains the stories that have been told against him i think He’s a genuine good ass guy and very intelligent in many facets I can’t wait to get a pack of these broadheads and glad you did this review appreciate the work and content i think these are going to change the broadhead market drastically for the good this is a home run not only for josh but the hunting industry itself
Thank you
You know there are broadheads that already do this right? Spring loaded head also swiveling/pivoting blades...been done. And to think Josh Bowmar designed these is laughable.
@@wcb5890 really find me a broadhead that is spring loaded that gains energy when deployed and has independent blade movement to avoid bone sevr has blades that pivot but not independently like this i get it ur mad its okay
I don’t buy into the bomar hype, but if they work they work. Can’t wait to see what happens.
Yup. They’re nice heads. But I think I’ll stick with Sevr or fixed blades.
Sure, they work, and, are good heads. But, they are way overpriced.
Yep...they sure tested well.
Did the blades maintain full cutting diameter through the gel? Could not tell when watching the video. Thanks John
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that.
So the spring is not strong enough to keep them open in gel?
One nice feature is the “activation wings”, didn’t know what to call them; don’t cover up part of the cutting surface of the blade like other similar heads.
Yep.
Great review as always! Did the blades open with the apple?
Yep...that's why I showed it.
I’ve been waiting for this!!!!
:)
Looking forward to using those next year
Nice
Order of importance,
1. Flight accuracy. If it doesn't hit where you aim nothing else matters.
2. Lack of deflection. Saying on path through hide, bone and organs.
3.Penatration. Getting in deep and creating damage to vitals.
4. Sharpness. (For me is connected with penetration somewhat). Sharper = more blood=shorter track.
5. Durability. Not saying it isn't important, just not my top deciding factor. I will rarely use a head again after. Sevr, I'll replace blades, Magnus I'll hit with the stay sharp.
6.Price point per head. At $27.50 each, 54.99 for a 2-pack is a no for me. It's a nice head, but the deer can't tell If they were shot with a $27.50 Beast or a $15.99 Sevr 1.5.
Love all your tests. Thanks for all you do for us hunters.
Thanks for sharing all that.
The hate for Bowmar by the internet dweebs is so fervent it makes me want to buy these, lol.
Me too. I’ve used his nose button and string twist adjustment device with awesome results, as well as his bow grips.
Nose button is good stuff...the grip is 🗑
@@grant6608I agree. I bought the grip and it started coming off the riser after one round of shooting. Seemed like a very cheap product. I threw it away.
@@grant6608it depends how you rap it. Because my last two bows have had the raps and the one now I've had on for 2years and it's fine just faded
Not wanting to support poachers who poached for content makes us dweebs? 😂
John...did the blades remain fully locked open into the gel when it stopped? It's at an angle that we can't see the blades.
125 grams before AND after is VERY LEGIT!! I bet that "might be" the best for a mechanical for both OOTB sharpness and blade retention sharpness, Not sure you even have had a fixed at 125 grams OOTB and retention have you? Maybe the IW or QAD Ex or Slick Trick original?
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that due to the sticky, constant pressure nature of it...and it's one of the things I don't like about using gel in the first place.
John, will you be testing the 2.3" version? Would like to see it with your new test process
Yes. I have them and was about to test them, but then Josh was about to release the new titanium model, so I waited. Now I’m recovering from another surgery so it will be a while till I can do that, unfortunately.
The Beast and Sever are the only two mechanical heads I would use. I hunt elk really appreciate your testing.
Thanks for sharing that.
He’s mentioned you’re better off pushing the head through the target and unscrewing it not pulling them out. I plan on trying them next year.
Well, it depends on how thick your target is and how deep it goes.
Very interesting. Wonder if would be good for low poundage bows.
Considering it gains energy when it deploys i would assume it will do well with lower poundage bows be worth a test
Could be...that tip is quite narrow and the "give" of the blades will help penetration.
Suspect of the blades ability to stay open as they pass through the animal, also thought the name of the broadhead was playing off of another well known hunters brand. Of course with the recent controversy surrounding the Bowmar name, it might of been sound marketing putting someone else's brand on it.
The blades are designed to retract in a hard impact, but swing back quickly due to that spring.
That spring crap is hilarious. Lamborghini springs lol. Any gun owner knows that magazine springs can stay compressed for decades without issue and they are cheap.
:) Just passing on info :)
Can’t wait to see this test
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Considering how sharp and how well the blades hold up I think the 15 pound spring is plenty to keep them open in an animal because the arrow isn’t gonna putt 15 pounds on force on the broad head if the total KE of the arrow is 65 - 75 pounds with that entire force being spread out along the entire cutting length / penetration. I honestly think those blades will cut through whatever animal it’s being shot at before they encounter enough force to close up enough to where they don’t work well.
Thanks for the comment
I’m not disagreeing these look awesome. But for the value I can practice with the sevr, they are stronger, and way cheaper, I don’t need gloves to close them, and ultimately give the same cut. I look forward to see the gen of these. Josh is going to fix these issues im sure.
Thanks for the comment
Ive got 4 does and a buck down with mine thus far very impressive heads i really like this one just hope he comes out with lil heavier models and really wish they'd sell 3 pks especially with mechanicals only getting 2 for 55bucks is a hit but ive shot 5 critters and not 1 head is damaged yet and still all pretty sharp
@theincredible9168 I use ethics inserts and sleeves but would rather have more weight in the head itself with solid steel ferrule like my sevr robustos that's what I'm talking about
@@jeff_8789150 grain swhacker
I’m rocking black eagle rampage heads with a 56 grain insert that comes with the arrow, 21% foc shooting 125 grain exoduses and I’ve blown through everything I’ve shot
Thanks for sharing that experience.
The broadhead testing GOAT
:) Thank you
If I were to try a mechanical head this is probably it. The “ give “ action of the spring loaded blade as it slides over or through a rib is to me a great concept. $27.50 each is gonna scare a lot of people off buying these. ( like the cost of one meal out for two anymore) lol
Yes I agree, at that price for mechanicals I will stick with Sevr.
The Zeus and Hera heads by Zeus have a similar feature...but they're fixed heads. These are not for everyone's budget :)
Where the heck are you going out for $27.50!? Haha. I can’t go out to dinner with my wife and 5 year old for less than $100+ after tip
You've got the library Lusk!❤
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Can you give your input on how Josh Bowmar shot his broadhead into a cinder block many times without it breaking. His concrete can’t be the same as yours or mine. Check out his video if you have a minute
He was using the brand new titanium model that hasn’t come out yet. They’re tweaking one more thing then I will test them in early 2025.
My favorite expandable heads have been NAP Killzone (Huge Holes), Rocky Mountain Warhead SS (fly like Darts), and purchased some of the Max one knock off Range stainless heads due to these videos and been impressed. This head looks Nice but most expandable heads do the job if hit them in right spot. Thanks for Reveiw
Thank you
What keeps the blades from closing when they go through the animal? All you have to do is apply slight pressure on both blades to close them? Something isn’t right about that.
I thought his review of this head seemed kinda biased. Or paid off. Big ole ding outta the blade in the durability test and he's like "it's in great shape" on the mdf, also didn't look like they opened. Then the apple test didn't even show the blade opening on an apple and got a "nice".
I don't use mechanicals anyway, but this test just seemed a bit off of his normal standards. 🤷♂️
Agreed. I’d want the blades to remain open to cut through whatever it encounters.
@@mm2_Arya all I can say is he’s generally pretty solid about testing broadheads. Maybe verbiage didn’t add up with what yours would have etc but he’s pretty consistent from videos to video. I’m surprised with 7075 aluminum that heads don’t get more bashing honestly. Grade 5 titanium seems to be the upper end of heads now days
I’ve got the sevr 2.0s to test as well. I’m not sold on this pivoting blade style honestly. I shot a very big 13 point recently and hit him very high. Middle of the body but very very high. Zero blood on the arrow.
Thought it was merely a flesh wound. I shot him with a trypan. I found him dead 200 yards from where I shot him a few days later. I literally didn’t even look past 100 yards after I shot him bc the shot was so high. Never found a drop of blood anywhere till this day.
One of the blades clipped his spine and awhile he was running I’m assuming his spine gave out and broke not allowing his back legs to work and he laid there and died. With a pivoting blade that deer never dies more than likely. It would pivot around the spine and be a flesh wound. When I say 1 inch higher and it may have missed him I might be exaggerating. The blades on the trypan had to have hit in a way wheee the could open vertically and one blade nicked the spine just enough.
If I could post a picture on here of entry and exit there’s not a human alive that wouldn’t bet his house and say that deer never died.
It takes quite a bit of pressure to close the blades. When they're that sharp, they cut tissue much more readily than the tissue closes the blade.
Only thing concern me is that the blades aren't locking at the open position, and its only tension is the 15lbs spring, which may not be enough spring tension to cut through thick hides and muscle tissues. Though I do have to say this may be the sharpest broadhead ever on your channel.
I think that’s fair my concern is the blades won’t stay open the whole time but if it averages 1.5 cut that’s still plenty to kill. The other thing is your arrow is probably impacting the animal with 60 pounds of force spread out over the entire length of penetration and 15 to stay open sounds pretty good to me considering how little force it takes to cut with these broad heads
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Bowmar shot a 8,000 pound hippo with the 125 grain and it was completely fine
I dont know if you just didnt show it correctly or what, but they didnt seemnto really "spring" back into place when you talked about them hitting bones
Yeah, that's what it does. It is hard to show that in a video.
Wow love these !! I bet you don’t even need to shoot these into a target lol. One question did the blades stay open while it was going thru the gel? I know typical gator style heads don’t but since this is different with that spring I was curious. If so I’m a buyer !
I have the same question
No they did not. They opened fairly well, but then closed a bit as they hit the gel. They were penalized in the scoring because of that. It's not uncommon with a gator style head in gel to do that, due to the constant "sticky" resistance. That's one of the things I don't like about using gel in the first place.
Nice review pondering a purchase
They're coming out with a titanium ferrule model soon.
Would love to see this go through the _Paul Harrell Meat Target!_
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Great broadhead videos! Wouldn't you think the stored energy in the spring would cause less penetration since it's opening in the opposite direction of the arrow? Opening that fast and if they contact anything somewhat hard (like a rib) then that much energy is pushing in the opposite direction of your arrow... Feel like that should be a negative bonus point?
The blades are deploying in the same direction that the arrow is moving. So it is not working against the forward momentum. And the thought is, that they do not take away from that forward momentum, like they do in other mechanical broadheads. They sure seemed to penetrate well.
Don’t walk barefoot in your yard with that extra blade floating around somewhere in the grass! I question whether I would want my blade to go around a bone versus blasting through it. Do you have a chart somewhere that compares all the models you have tested? Thanks.
Thats a big reason i stick to Swhackers all these heads wanting to dodge bones is weak if u ask me
Haha. True that. It's better than being in my basement like I was in Iowa. Sheesh. At the end of each year, I put out a Spread Sheet with all the scores of each head in that year. It's in the last vid of the year: Broadhead test Summary. You can see them for 2021 and 2022 on my channel.
Yeah getting some of those
Cool
I'm extremely surprised how sharp the blades actually are and how sharp they stayed after being used and I'm surprised how well it did through the the steel plate. I mean the concrete I guess kind of a given. But yeah I'm very impressed with this. Wasn't sure being from bowmars
Yeah, I wasn't sure how they'd do either.
The poaching bowmars
When are we going to see a review on the new g5 T2?
I ordered them months ago. Hope I will get them soon.
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Thanks for sharing that.
Spins a tiny piece of the broadhead lol. Great video
Haha. Gotta spin something :)
The spring system looks to be really similar to the way the Veteran and Combat Veteran heads work.
Yes. Similar.
You should do vids on mechanicals through blind mesh.
There are only a few mechs I’d shoot thru mesh.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yeah but you could show a few. I shot a 125 schwacker through mesh the other day and I was very surprised that it hit the bullseye at 20 yards. I have a crossbow though.
The problem is they do not offer replacement blades. I wouldn't have purchased such an expensive broadhead if I had known blades weren't available.
That’s a good point. I just texted Josh to see if they will ever have replacement blades.
Curious as to what minimal poundage it would take for full deployment?
I’m not sure of a minimal poundage, but I think they would deploy out of pretty much any adult bow. They definitely deploy well when there is a taught medium like hide.
I'll be curious how the blood trails are with these
They'd be as good as a 2" hole can make :) All depends on where you hit them.
I'd like to see you add a score for price. Maybe "bang for the buck" Or something. Also for the mechanical heads maybe try a watermelon or pumpkin. They test heads very well.
I always list the score in the video description of every broadhead. But I've decided not to give a score based on price, because everyone's budget is so different.
What do you think about the beast on a crossbow?
I think it would be a great choice.
I’m not sure about them closing around bones like they say. As you tried to demonstrate in the video, they would only spring closed to go by a bone, when you pushed both blades at same time. When you pushed one at a time it did not look like they wanted to move. How often are you going to hit a bone on each blade? I suspect a decent amount of deflection if only one blade hits a bone. I’m not saying all other broadheads wont, but these guys are advertising theirs do…we’ll see i guess. I’ll have to take someone else’s word for it.
Well, one blade can retract. It just takes pressing both in order to close them fully.
good somehow (sharpness, durability), but didn't the blades open at all when you shot the MDF? And what was the cutting diameter in the apple? You're hiding some of the results :--)
I don’t hide anything. I don’t care about the opening in MDF. It opened very well in the Apple. I don’t get anything from this company, so I tell it like it is, with the tests I perform.
would have like to have seen the wound channel in the gel? Did the blades stay open? Can't tell from the angle in the video
Not completely; they don’t lock open and gel tends to keep the blades of many mechs from staying fully open
Curved blades make it impossible to sharpen with my stay sharp guide. Love rear deploy broadheads...
Yeah, Stay Sharp doesn't work on narrow mech blades like this anyway. You can use a pull thru type sharpener.
Love your videos 🦌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you!
That stored energy is not gaining energy. It is opposing the momentum of the arrow.
Well, yes, but that opposing momentum of the arrow is due to cutting the tissue very effectively.
Also, cinder blocks are not concrete ?
They are a form of concrete.
John. Do you think it will open consistently on animals?
Yes, I do.
I'm a no on this head. I noticed the wobble on impact which would hinder penetration somewhat. Josh is stud and pulls about 90 lbs which may be what is needed for a pass through which i personally prefer.
Ok
Great mechanical head. I’d change to Titanium tip and ferrule, a larger diameter pivot pin and .070 stainless blades with a 200 gr weight for the higher F.O.C. It would be indestructible and capable of handling large game such as elk and moose ethically.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
He killed Cape buffalo with these
Looks like the same tip that the Zeus broadheads use wonder if he collaborated with Nick Albanese on these
I don't believe they did.
That's a tough mechanical. Pins held the blades well. The blades didn't get pushed back like most mechanicals. Josh hit a home run with this one if you want a mechanical head.
Thanks for the comment Mike.
Can these be used with high speed crossbows?
They say they can. However, since I’m now more familiar with crossbows, I know that there is no “standard” rating for crossbows. They not only vary greatly in speed, but also in the pressure put on the broadhead as they’re being shot. So in general, the answer to your question is Yes. But to be sure, you’d have to shoot them thru yours.
Thank you.@@LuskArcheryAdventures
Are these head crossbow compatible?
Yes.
I always want to practice with the exact Brodhead I hunt with. I don’t like any broadhead that I can’t shoot into my broadhead practice targets . I recall shooting the Zeus broadhead into my broadhead target and not being able to pull it out without pulling out the insert. This looks like maybe the same problem ? Way too many moving parts for me !
Well I pulled one out of a target about 5-6 times.
When can I buy some?
They are available now; they release more inventory each week. Just Google Beast broadhead and check them out on their site.
So it’s a crappier sevR?
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Are they crossbow friendly?
Yep.
i will take a hard pass on that one, the blades don't lock or stay open, just as i expected, its pretty much a gator style head. I'd bet the blades were forced closed in the gel, and layered cardboard test, just like they were in the steel. Then we come to find out that the ferrule is much more hollow than it looks from the outside, because they have to stuff a spring and the other little fidgety parts inside of it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The whole point is for it to not stay locked open so it can go through/around bone instead of redirecting it or stopping it. He’s killed Cape buffalo with these. Any animal in North America will be killed by these no doubt
well no, the blades were frozen haha too be sharpened * as the people themselves say but you wouldn't believe them would you?
I’ve been waiting to actually see these tested by a third party.
I don’t like mechanicals and I’m not a fan of Bowmars, so I don’t have high expectations. However, if they work, they work. I’m not the kind of guy to dismiss a product, good, or art because I don’t like the artist/designer.
My prediction is they are at the normal industry accepted sharpness for a mechanical, they probably won’t hold their edge as well as fixed blades, and they’ll be destroyed in the cinder block. I imagine the ferrule will do fine in the mdf and steel sheet, but the edges will look like crap after the steel.
Penetration will probably be what we all expect from mechanicals.
But let’s see. And here we go. lol. Lawsuits inbound
I bet they perform great, and the bowmars are awesome people. You’re just another keyboard cowboy who wouldn’t say a thing face to face with him.
@@progradepainting3755so I said I wasn’t a fan and didn’t really like them. I never said they were bad people or I hated them.
What I do not like about the Bowmars are a couple things. First, anytime people talk crap about them or their products they are quick to send legal cease and desist letters. If someone is talking smack, just ignore or even have a conversation about it and move on. Why threaten to or sue?
Second: Josh Bowmar did commit wildlife violations to some degree in the semi-recent deal out west. I would not call him a poacher. I don’t think he violated fair chase, but he was definitely flirting with it and he did violate other hunting laws. Such as the suppressor on the firearm while recovering the Mulie. I don’t think he shot the buck with a suppressed rifle, it’s on video him shooting it with a bow. However, it’s also on video of him recovering it with his guide, who was armed with a suppressed rifle slung on his back.
In my opinion, Josh and Sarah were guilty of violating multiple minor laws through ignorance of the law. I don’t believe they were intentionally violating the law, but they should have researched better. At the end of it, the only responsibility he took was “guide bad, we didn’t know. Maybe we should have, but we didn’t.”
Third: Josh cannot accept criticism of any kind from the public. He routinely deletes comments that are not entirely positive. I’ve seen one of mine deleted, where I commented about a long shot on an alert bull elk where he struck it in the back ham. He clearly had to make a follow up shot, the arrow was still in the ham and if I remember correctly, there was signs of a second shot on the chest cavity. I commented about “nice bull, but” maybe don’t take a shot at 80+ on an alert bull in the future. I wasn’t scathing or mean, offensive, or calling anyone names. I pointed out out the selective editing, the not speaking about when he hit, etc, but I wasn’t mean.
Other hunting channels take their failures and are transparent. That’s where I believe we ought to be.
Like I said. Not a fan. But I don’t think he’s the worst thing in our community and I wouldn’t be opposed to sharing a hunting camp with him. I just wouldn’t seek it out. Also, I would tell him this to his face. Because again, I don’t think he’s evil or anything, but I think he has a lack of taking responsibility and is very aggressive when it comes to his image.
@@officerfoxtrot3633 blah blah blah
@@progradepainting3755lol sorry I have an opinion that differs from yours.
Btw, just watched the review. I’ll have to go check penetration depth in cardboard to other mechanicals and sharpness, but otherwise just like I predicted.
Ferrule blew up on concrete, edges were noticeably damaged on steel plate.
While it looks like a good mechanical, it obviously ain’t the best thing since sliced bread like it’s advertised.
@@progradepainting3755i mean if your into poaching then i see why you love him lmao
That is total marketing. Springs can stay in it’s compressed position as long as they want. Springs wear out from cyclic loading, not from static compression.
*We learn this early concept in engineering school.
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How many variations of the rage do we need?
Really? That's kind of like say, "How many variations of bows do we need?" There quite a few significant differences between this and the Rage :) Both are 2 blade rear deploying mechs, but that's about it.
been waiting on this one. But my hopes arent high with it.
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Well, I was definitely surprised how impressive it was. I just ordered a pack!! 😊😊
Looks like a great mechanical head maybe on par with the sevr, only negative is the price, ouch!
Thanks for commenting
I’ll stick with my NaP Ti 2 bladed sling blade with a free floating 2 3/16” cut. No springs, o rings, mechanical, or rubber bands to use or fail. They were on sale at Midway USA for $22 per 3 pack. Simple, effective, and cheap. The aluminum ferril for almost $20 a head? Ouch.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have a test of the NAP TI 3 coming out soon.
Faster than the speed of sound….wouldn’t it have a sonic boom?
Well, I guess a mini one if there is no resistance...like a towel snapping.
Oh lord
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Apparently they got caught poaching so they would look successful in their hunting videos so I haven't supported them by watching but pretty good mechanical broadhead.
The outfitter they used got busted for it with a different client. Not them. They just got all wrapped up in it. A lot of info out there and some good podcast explaining more.
@@davedixon4622 Appreciate that comment, thanks.
Yea, they "didn't know" 😉
Well, I just test the heads...not the hearts.
So its a Volkswagen spring
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How would you compare them to the titanium 2.0 sevr.great video
They don’t. The Sevr is the standard in Mechanicals. Sevr came out the concrete like new.
@deanbrantley yeah but we aren't shooting concrete animals so I don't get the concrete arguement lol
@@bradleyburton2664 I agree. For me I’ll shoot the indestructible head that’s $10 cheaper.
The Sevrs are quite a bit more durable, that's for sure. But beyond that, there are pros & cons to both of them.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures the cons are hard to find. I try and shoot diffrent heads after each kill. The last 2 days I’ve taken 2 with the 1.5 Sevr. I’ve started giving heads away because I can’t find a reason to keep trying other heads. 1.5 seems the perfect balance for me. Not so big penetration is sacrificed and the blade deployment style creates a nice wound channel.
I cannot bring myself to buy these, not only do I need to do everything to keep my 80# carbon PSE as quiet as possible, but now with these blades opening at over 700 mph essentially breaking the sound barrier….the deer is 100% going to come unglued and drop so HORD at the mini sonic boom these broadheads produce upon blades opening!!!!!
:) Well, that's what they say in theory. But they only open upon impact so there is too much resistance to actually deploy that fast.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I live your content & tests. Have you ever done a test on Palmer Extreme Cuts?? (The bigger version of the the former Phantom both made by Muzzy).
Price is through the roof
Yeah, they are not on the inexpensive side.
Didn’t surpass the reigning champ Sevr
Uhhh... yeah it did. Lol
Hard to beat the durability of a Sevr.
i do not predict good things to come from this one. i don't understand how the blades lock/stay open, we shall soon see. the ferrules look beefy enough but everything else has me wondering. 😀
I am guessing the blades are independently compressible like the VIP heads. It would be awesome if someone could figure out how to get reliable deployment with that style of head. My fear with the bowmar head is that it will lock itself closed after passing through a scapula or through the middle of a rib. We shall see as they say.
I think they’re going to perform well.
Have you not seen the Cape buffalo bowmar has shot with these heads? I’d say they’re doing pretty well
Just like most other mechanicals. 🤷🏻♂️
@@MrNubeTubelink?
I'm not sold on expandables. I've seen too much deflection with them. Heavy pound bows they may be fine. I been hunting 50 years ill stick to my 3 blade fixed they shoot like darts and through most all bone.i have nothing against the bowman I think they are good bowhunters he's always on big deer
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Get in the gym and start drawing more weight
My problem with this head is it has one cool trick and every pther aspect of the head is mediocre construction.
Well, I thought it did fairly well in most of the areas. I was impressed with it. They’re working on a stronger feral that will be even better.
Bowmar needs to make a fix blade
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@@LuskArcheryAdventures just want you to know that I am a hunter, conservationist, and archer. I appreciate what you do. I'm always torn between Grimm Reaper MH, Magnus Stinger 4 blade, and Muzzy trocar (fixed).
Probably one of the better mechanicals ever designed, I will never use it. The Bowmars are not a group that I want to contribute money to. Not even because of the legal issues that have apparently been resolved, but because of the shots they take. In the last 3-4 years they've wounded so many animals and taken so many risky shots I just don't have it in me to support them. I mean when you wound a hippo at 20yds and put everyone's life in extra danger, in the same year you decide to try and long bomb a brown bear and end up wounding it so badly that it couldn't even get up and run away the next day, or the about 6 bucks that they've gut shot in recent years, that just turns me off as someone who values my quarry so much. I get that things happen in archery, but not on the scale that they do it.
Do you follow dog tracking pages on Facebook? Regular hunters wound way more games than the bowmars.
Well, thanks for sharing your thoughts.