They shouldn't make any new random stories about lotr. As cool as it is, they cant bring back all the original actors and theses extra stories might draw away attention from the real thing. The hunt for gollum movie looks cool though. Just don't turn the greatest movie/book trilogy of all time into an anime!!
Maaaany :) Beren and Luthien? Fall of Numenor? Children of Hurin? Silmarillion is a huge chest full of stories. Maybe sth. about the great alliance and first war with Sauron? Northern kingdoms also look fine.
"The fall of Numenor" is one story I'd really like to see on screen! As much as I love Andy Serkis's work, a spin-off film about Gollum is not really necessary in my opinion...
That is why i think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor. The last movie wasnt epic like og trilogy, but i enjoyed it. You could see how people involved were passioned with the world. Heck even the Silmarillion would work as a series with that format.
@@DutchGuyMike i get it if you dont like Anime. But the way this movie was made, its strange people saying that, when there was no "weird" Anime shit. No diference from this or lotr animated shows before the OG movies. Just the style. I find that strange. Heck, im not going even to start how some "Tolkien never thought his work being animated by eastern asian animation" which is such a dumb argument. But i get it dont like it, but now shitting on it just because its "Anime" when alot of people go watch Pixar or animated Disney movies and this was very nice looking. Its strange to me.
Bro how? The Angmar Wars of destruction lasted for more than 600 years in mid third age. Entirety of Eriador was systematically conquered and depopulated in a long period of time. How can you get a proper story out of it like the destruction of the ring?
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus not decades. 17 years. It’s not like 50 years or even 30 years. Also the story doesn’t jump into the future after that point onwards. Rise and Fall of Angmar and its wars against Arnor isn’t an event. It’s 20 percent of the third age. The quest to Mount Doom lasted for about a couple of months. Think about it this way: there are nine kings of Arthedain before Arvedui is beaten and dies in the Ice Bay of Forochel trying to escape. How will you explain them properly? Also many significant events happen during the rule of many different kings. It’s just too vast of an event.
I think their best bet would be to do standalone silmarilian stories. Trying to condense the whole thing would be daunting if not impossible for a TV series, much less a film trilogy. It will never be as great as the OG trilogy was, but potential is there for good stories.
They said the same thing about the trilogy books until Peter jackson came along. I'm sure: Give him enough post production time, as long as he needs, money and passionate people as they had when they filmed LotR. If anyone can bring the Silmarillon on screen (and not just a bad fan ficiton) it's Peter Jackson.
If we ever see a Silmarillion adaptation (which I don’t expect we will) I wish it would be a tv series. Each story in The Silmarillion could be a season, or multiple seasons. For example Beren and Luthien would be 2-3 seasons. Same for Turin Turambar would be 2-3 seasons. Other stories would only need one season. It would give them more time to fit everything. And it should be live action.
@@samuraijack6057 I think that Hurin's Children 10-15 episodes. Beren Luthien 6-8 episodes, Feanor and departure from Valinor 6-8 episodes too. Tuor and his whole journey again 6-8 episodes, and other chapters 2-4 episodes.
@@lazerfrogstudios Christopher Tolkien has passed, and I read once that the next generation is more open to merching JRRT's works (mostly the Silmarillion as the major work, LotR and Hobbit were sold long ago), but until something is signed and announced, it's just speculation.
I do not have faith in Hollyweird's current culture of writers. Very few decent, let alone praise worthy movies have come out. Studios mandating DEI inserts and woke writers who can only do self inserts leave me doubtful anything remotely approaching LotR can be achieved. Peter Jackson made a mess of the Hobbit and Boyens did a no name girl boss movie. Rings of Power was given to no names because JJ Abrahms recommended them and they spoke some elvish at their interview. I'll stick with reading the books or listening to audio dramas where I'm guaranteed adherence to the actual lore.
It's not about whether fans have an appetite for this material, it's about whether the creative team put enough effort and care into writing good stories and dialogue. People couldn't wait for Rings of Power but it was garbage, so they treated it like garbage. If you write it well, they will come.
The hobbit trilogy was garbage. The war of the rohirrim was garbage. The rings of power is garbage. And you all clap for the upcoming gabillion new Lotr things like it's the return of Christ. ... Jesus...
@@simonRTJ yeah, those are good points. I also think in the LOTR they just stuck to the source material (no duh) and let the story speak for itself, whereas with later productions they had to write the material themselves (including the painful expansion of the Hobbit). It’s no coincidence that when they had to do this, the quality went down dramatically. Tolkien is hard to replace.
@@Stephen64138 That's the point you are missing, we Tolkien fans never wanted RoP or War of the Rohirrim and the Hobbit should have been 1 long or two moderate films and no more. I'm not the least bit interested in a 'Hunt of Gollum' film or a Witch King trilogy of films either. They are not stories that need films but the Silmarillion might be, if written well.
@@Thurgosh_OG You already saw what the Silmarillion would have been with several scenes in the Rings of Power. '' Do you know why a ship float while a rock sink? Cause the rock look down... '' You would have 5 seasons of ... I mean you have 5 seasons of that. Jackson and his team cannot do anything but garbage. What do you all expect? That among the unending trend of garbage we suffer on a daily basis, they'll somehow manage to flip things over and produce pre 2000 stuff once again, with real mens, with real women, with traditionnal values, ethnically coherent and aiming to bring people together? ... Guys... Never. Ever. (Not until we _force_ them too. I mean)
i want them to do films focusing on the First Age. I want to see the rise and fall of Gondolin, the magic of the Girdle of Melian, the epic romance of Beren and Luthien, heck even the tragedy of Turin. But most of all, I wanna see the War of Wrath and the Destruction of Belariand!
unfortunately I don't believe they own the rights to those, if I remember right all they have is The Lord of the Rings and Appendices, the Hobbit, and possibly Unfinished Tales
@@duncanthomson7894 so instead of spending more money buying the rights to the Silmarillion, they would just keep using the material they already have rights to? interesting, i guess that makes sense. but if they have Unfinished Tales, they could at least do Turin or Tuor (kinda). Admittedly, the Narn i Hîn Húrin stories are the least intriguing of the bunch (IMO, its def fine to disagree with that), and wouldn't be a super great choice for the silver screen without making massive changes for modern cinema audiences (which would be disappointing; ie Rings of Power). but man do i wanna see the War of Wrath. like, SO BAD!
@@AzothBLM I just read more into it, the Tolkien estate hasn't sold the screen rights of the Silmarillion to anybody, and it's unlikely that they will :(
I do remember, and another one, Born of Hope. There are so many stories to tell and Tolkien himself hoped people would do just that, as I recall. Now if only they will do these things well!
How about just making a screen adaptation of a story that Tolkien wrote without making "creative differences," inserting their own ideologies, and changing some of the established lore that is clearly given. If they would just do THAT, then any movie they make would be a blockbuster hit
@@blazervol3357right?! Middle earth is still popular for a reason. Just follow the books and stop this fan fiction crap. They think they can improve on perfection.
@@blazervol3357 well, inserting ideologies is one thing, but making creative differences is essential to adapting Tolkien’s work into a movie/show format.
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb I personally think the new movies won’t be rushed out. War of the Rohirrim had to be rushed out in order for them to keep the rights to future movies. That’s not gonna be the case with Hunt For Gollum
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb you can have creative differences that are still pretty accurate to the books. But when they start to really deviate from the source material and become their own thing is when it becomes problematic. If the movies are animated, then there isn't any reason why they would have to deviate from the source material
This worries me. I just saw War of the Rohirrim, and while it was better than I thought it would be, I thought it was no more than okay. I don't think Hunt for Gollum will ever be that interesting no matter what, because it's just not a compelling tale, but the stories you're thinking might be adapted are ones I *want* to see done well, unfortunately, and I fear they won't be
I pretty much agree not to disrespect Andy but I am also not very thrilled to see 4 hours of detective dungeon crawler, and then there are expectations set so incredibly high as it has some connection to the main movies, replacing and finding new actors will be very tough task no matter which story will be chosen, for it will be heavily compared to the original.
The Trailers let me do you think it will suck so I’m gonna try to see it after seeing your comment. I hope the movie is better than the trailers make it look
Agree with both of your points, the tale of hunt for gollum is as compelling to me as the other tales of middle earth. And I also didn't like war of the Rohirrim, it was too girlbossy and woke for me to like
@@farahahmed8201 she wasn't the worst of the "girlboss" archetype IMO, but I do wish it had been more about Helm the Hammerhand, and I also don't think the writing was very good.
Whoa whoa, calm down here boy. These are the people who brought us the original trilogy! Everything about LoTR that you love so much is because of these people. Have some respect and trust in them! They deserve it.
@@janmajer4662they fucked up in hobbit enough. Those movies aren’t bad but they are not faithful to the source material and are genuinely cgi action movies which are long for no good reason at all. Now War of the Rohirrim is even worse and pointless. The quality level is only going down not up.
@@muratbayraktar5035 Fucked up? Bro, Peter Jackson saved the sinking ship and made it into at least good-decent movies. The production of both trilogies can never be compared, because for the Hobbit the situation and position for PJ was just so much worse in every way. What he was able to do under those circumstances is actually very impressive. Blaming him for what you see as bad in these movies is totally unfair and straight up ignorant. I am so tired of you arrogant jerks spitting at Hobbit all the time.
@@muratbayraktar5035 Uh, excuse you, but “The Hobbit” trilogy was great and “War of the Rohirrim” was actually good. The only thing that was awful was “Rings of Power” but that was done by a totally different studio and totally different people. So I don’t see what’s the problem here.
@@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 the issue is being faithful to the source material. The original trilogy was a perfect example of a book to movie adaptation. The most important events were told in all their glory and the changes were made only to make the movies not 24 hours or to basically be more alligned with the visual form of storytelling. They put in the most important events and shortened certain parts of the story for the purpose of storytelling and even made certain parts of the books more coherent. They didnt add completely irrelevant or non existing characters to where they shouldnt be. They handcrafted every item and set by closely working with many Tolkien scholars and they didnt fire any of them. Lotr isnt just a franchise, it is the part of a far larger Mythology akin to Greek Myths or the Scandinavian myths. It shouldnt be jerked for more content for decades. Either adapt them at the quality of the original trilogy or just dont bother at all.
The Rise Of Angmar and Fall Of Arnor would be an incredible trilogy. The story is immersive and The Witch King really shines in the story he is my all time favorite Tolkien Villain. Serkis could also return as the Voice Of The Witch King.
It's been done in a well received video game. The hell you need a new rings of power tv show about it? With the witch king being depicted as a evil white guy and brave diverse women opposing him and his racist plan to conquer Arnor? Cause that's exactly what you would get.
Another storyline they could turn into a movie is Aragorn's younger days when he was in South Gondor and Umbar, in a fight for the city of Corsairs. The movie would start with Viggo as Aragorn telling his son a story. That way they can introduce a new actor as a younger, swash-buckling Aragorn who hasn't learned his lessons yet. And toss in some Black Numenoreans to tie LOTR to Numenor, then tales of Numenor which would be a whole other series.
Why do more Movies ? The trilogy is finished, Story is told literaly no Point in doing more Movies other them making more Money (which is what Happens Right here)
They couldn't because Christopher Tolkien wouldn't sign over the rights to them and for good reason. Examples of that being ROP and now War of the Rohirrim. Both take a huge shat on his Father's lifelong work by writers trying to input their own ideologies into Tolkien's work.
They better just not do it at all. I don’t want Tolkien to be milked. It’s sacred and no other movie will ever be made which gets close to the first trilogy.
an epic saga set over the centuries of conflict during the fall of Arnor would be an amazing trilogy. We'd see so many key events that lead into the Lord of the Rings, not just the war itself and everything you mentioned but: the establishment of the Shire, the remnants of the Northern Dunedain becoming the Rangers of the North, the Fall of Minas Ithil at the very end of the movies, with the beginning of the Stewards of Gondor ruling after Earnur gives in to the Witch-king's taunts. It would a tragic but hopeful end, knowing a hobbit from the Shire and Aragorn's destinies
I hope they don't overdo The Hunt for Gollum. It should be an adventure/survival style film, not something that turns into a giant battle. As for the trilogy, I think the Arnor-Angmar story would work much better than the Alternate War of the Ring Locations, as there is more to it than just endless fighting. The Battle of Five Armies was the worst of the Jackson's six films for this reason.
I agree, this giant battle stuff is wearisome. The two sieges in the original trilogy were interesting, because we kept focusing in on small groups of people (as the books do, you know, having been written by a guy who was in a terrible war, not two Bogan housewives), but seeing one hundred thousand cgi creatures have at it just leaves me stone cold.
That battle in the Hobbit was an atrocity... not just in terms of military accuracy (elves jumping over a shieldwall) but because it devolved into the main characters climbing a mountain to engage in single combat. Just utter stupidity.
@@uvicjames Elves supposed to be super light and can jump, i dont see the problem, and Thorin took his 2 best warriors with him to kill Azog the defiler , cause all the drarves (not many at that point) were trying to fight the battle! He couldnt take many with him
The one I would want to see is the history of Khazad-Dum with a focus on Balin's mission to reclaim Moria for the dwarves. I think it's a great story and would bridge the time between The Hobbit and LOTR. It has the advantage of familiar characters and would fill in some history for those who just watch the movies.
I’d actually love to see a trilogy centering on the House of Finwe and his sons, especially Feanor and the scheming of Morgoth/Melkor which led to the Noldor’s bloody return to Middle-Earth, the theft of the Silmarils, and the curse laid upon the House of Feanor. There’s a lot of story to be told here, and it could easily be broken into a trilogy of films with one apiece dedicated to Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin. It would need to end with the latter, since he alone is still alive (presumably) and still serves as High King of the Noldor elves across the sea. But on the whole, it’s as dramatic and action-packed a tale as the LotR books, and it would make for some spectacular scenes and sequences. It also provides quite a bit of history that ties in with the Rings of Power series, and fleshes out Middle-Earth as a whole.
True. But the problem is, the writing that Tolkien did about the House of Finwë is relatively small. It is written in the way that Celtic and Norse sagas were written. The Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit, were written as novels, with deep character development and description of the 'feel" of everything -- that is the reason why they are so enthralling, and the reason why we go to the Silmarillion and the Tales, and crave for more. The sheer size of Lord of the Rings somewhat prevented the screenwriters from departing too much from the original material, and called for a respectful director, which Jackson was. Now, the saga of the House of Finwë, or any other story from the Silmarillion and Tales, to be made into a film would need the screenwriters to do actual creative work. And you have seen what happens when they do, when they do not have their hands tied and restrained: you have seen Rings of Power. Be it for the appeal of shock (like in Song of Ice and Fire, where they actually bought the writing soul of Martin out with money to transform the books into violence-porn), or for injecting the least subtle popular ideology du jour (like the pitiful RoP), the entertainment industry will chew up even the best stories and vomit them out into pigswill that they suppose will appeal to the brainless masses. Give them a story that needs to be fleshed up to become a film, and they will produce some utter monstrosity. I wish there could be good films made out of some of the immense quantity of interconnected themes and stories that Tolkien created. But it cannot be done properly without respect. And I have very little hope that that respect can be found.
I’m pretty sure almost nobody (from the fandom) is quite sold on this yet. I’ll personally just wait for the trailer and look out for any… suspicious activity present within it… and then decide wether I’ll spend my hard earned money on it or not, and I think most would agree with me on that point. If I knew they were going to be tackling this with the same amount of passion and (most importantly) *_RESPECT FOR TOLKIENS WORK,_* that they had with the original trilogy (despite some acceptable deviations), I could just buy blindly and not let myself get spoiled of any scenes by a potentially spoilerous trailer.
God i would love seeing ian Mcellen as Gangalf again. It's so great seeing how attached to the character he is. Hearing how much he fell in love with playing Gandalf where he was first a non book reader, and is now a massive fan. The man knows good story when he discovere it
Love the idea of a trilogy about The Witch King of Angmar, Arnor and Fornost. These films are all set in the ‘past’, so I believe they should be recast. So the new faces can become the new fan favourites for the next generation. Don’t get me wrong the casting was perfect for LOTRs, but this can be done again.
Nope. Not now. We need to let the current generation of writers leave the field. They have way too much "main character syndrome" and doesn't know a good story or decent dialogue if it bit them in their stupid arse.
From what I've seen about the War of the Rohirrim, I am not very optimistic about the Hunt for Gollum or any future Middle Earth series or movies. PJ struck gold with LOTR, copper with the Hobbit, and ROP is straight coal. I would rather forget that everything but the original LOTR trilogy exists.
I'm soooo excited for the movies directed by Andy. I hope we get to see some of the old cast, no matter how aged they might be. I'd struggle more to see our beloved cast replaced with new actors.
Oh we absolutely want LoTR content, there is definitely a huge fan base wanting more content, the problem is them if they decide to pull weird stuff again and massively deviate from the source material trying to appeal a fanbase that doesn't really exist. The original 3 were a master piece, don't need to invent the wheel again, go for the same public, make minimal changes to the main story just like with the original 3, and we'll love it, even if lots of CGI are used to reduce production time.
Star Wars fand wanted more content, too. We got the Acolyte and the Sequels and a bunch of other weird, self-insert Alphabet mob agenda narrative, not anything close to George Lucas vision or lore. So yeah, good luck thinking they'll stay with source material. Look at what's already been made. Rings of Power and Rohirrim ..Girl-Power, Girl Boss! What could go wrong?!
The only ethnicities Tolkien described in middle-earth were Scandinavian / northern European, Mediterranean, Mongolian looking (rhun), and Arab looking (Harad / Southrons). It's patronising to suggest that people need to see a "reflection of themselves" on screen in order to enjoy a movie. All it does is remind us we're watching a modern film and pulls us out of the submersion, as well as not making sense in terms of world-building.
Turning those two pages about the hunt for Gollum in the book into ONE movie would even be a stretch, but making it TWO movies is just insane. Super-sceptic! Nothing Tolkien-related gets good when it's dragged out. Nothing has ever come close to the masterpiece of the LOTR-trilogy, where they instead had to trim the story down. All dragging-stuff-out into more releases to make more money always results in reduced quality and negatively effects all good that came before. The more they make, the less special each release feels. Just look at how Disney destroyed Star Wars. Less is often more. If we are shown everything and more that takes away the mysticism and wonder, which is a huge part of what makes it great. Recasting people breaks the illusion of the world feeling real, but so does casting the same actor looking much older in a time where he should look younger or the same.
Philippa Boyens has confirmed that The Hunt for Gollum is definitely one movie. The confusion arose because they signed on to create two new live-action films.
Lets be honest, I dont think ANYONE would care how old the originals are should they come back. We just want to see the OGs back in the world we all so love
@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 lol, bet u loved the rings of power......have you no shame? Tolkien would NOT have wanted this, does that matter to you? Get off the couch, go live life
I loved.. the story of Beren and Luthien with the Gondolin fall.... Or the story of Earendil and Elwing with the last silmaril.... Two love stories in fact.
After War of the Rohirrim you'll forgive me if jumping for joy at this news. I can give you the plot right now. Aragorn leads a band of Rangers hunting for Gollum, one of them is female, she's the boss and tells every incompetent man what to do then single handedly finds Gollum herself. The End. At best it'll be another Hobbit situation because this is not a trilogy's worth of lore. If this is a trilogy then they should still be making LoTR movies to this day. Either way I have zero faith in this project. Hollywood is simply not in the same place it was 20 years ago.
Because they only have the rights to use material mentioned in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. They don’t have the rights to The Silmarillion, The Children of Húrin, Beren and Lúthien, etc.
The Angmar/Arnor story would be great, Glorfindel is my favorite lotr character.
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There is nothing as big as LOTR because all the characters have some depth and complexity. The story may include huge wars but if you don't know how to set up the story and increase the tension, there will be no climax and no joy after the war ends. LOTR books spent 1500 pages and movies 10 hours to make Gollum's fall fantastic. And yes, it is absolutely wonderful.
Would be good for a new trilogy- Fourth Age, following Argon's Son as he becomes King. Film One - Birth of a new threat. Following Argon's son who currently lives with Gimli's dwarf colony behind Helms Deep. He doesn't want the responsibly as king and wants Faramir family line to be the kings instead. So, sits in self exile to avoids Gondor and Argon. He then goes on a hobbit style adventure with some dwarfs to find this object which links to the resurrection some how( see below). The party are not aware of this. Film Two - Minas Tirith is sacked - Aragon dies on the walls / Arwen dies in the sacking but send a message to Elrond just before she is killed. Rohan's relive force is ambushed and Éomer and his heir is killed. The survives of the siege and ambush flee west Threat is relieved as some sort of Nazgûl who worships Sauron as a God and wants to resurrect him. The object falls into the hands of the evil forces. Film Three - An old Elrond shows up with a battalion of old and scarred elves. They have sacrificed their immortally to return to middle earth. They have become mortal and old. Elrond warns what the amulet is and what they intend to use if for. Aragon son sends a group to destroy the object before it can be used. He claims the throne and reunites men again. An army of Elves, Men & Dwafs invade the east for one last final show battle to save middle earth. While simultaneously the small group of 7 - Dwarf, men & elves infiltrate to destroy the object. I would leave out the eagles, wizards, hobbits and magic Just Elves, Men, Orcs & dwarfs - make the films more gritty realistic fantasy like GOTs did. The object should not be a ring maybe some amulet with a Balrog's soul captured inside. So, wordy of an Oscar?
Every one is hating on this movie just appreciate what we get as we were Robbed from all these movies nothing will beat the trilogy because it’s nostalgia and originality. I’m super stoked to get more lotr movies and I wish we get more anime movies as well a lot of actors are now older and it’s truly sad, but make no mistake I’m very happy we will get more of middle earth it’s such a beautiful world and lore!
I think if Viggo was asked, he would return as Aragorn. He mentioned that he hadn't been asked yet in a recent interview with Nerd of the Rings, and that he wasn't in the know at that point in time.
I know this probably wont happen because of the Amazon show. But imagine if they did their own Second Age Trilogy. Eregion, the forging of the rings, Numenor. It could be so fucking good. The other main thing i would love to see is the War in the North during the Third age. None of the LOTR characters are involved so you dont have the actor issue. But it will be cool to see Erebor and Dale again etc. The battles in Mirkwood/Dul Guldur and Lothlorian would be really cool to see. They could have a scene of explaining why Galadriel send Haldir and his soldiers to Helms Deep. Have Galadriel look into her mirror right before their own battle and see the future of Helms Deep if they dont come and help them. So she sends a small army of Elves to Rohan right before fighting their own battles.
I've been talking about movies or a show set during the Fall of Arnor since the we got the first news of Rings of Power around 2016. Seriously, it's perfect, it got fan favorite characters from the original movies in the nazgûl, a blank slate for new characters (that used to be a plus, but with the quality of some new characters nowadays, not so much), it explains why Middle-Earth is going through a Dark Age of sorts during the War of the Ring, it explains why Gondor doesnt have a king and where Aragorn comes from, it explains why the Shire is isolated, why Minas Ithil became Minas Morgul and why the world is depopulated and, the best of it all, it doesn't mess with the main events and characters of the Lord of the Rings like Rings of Power does (with the possible exception of Gandalf, who isn't mentioned at all in those wars and could be brought in).
I love Ian Mckellen's love for the character and his resolve to honor it and the fact that no one really want's to see someone else play Gandalf, it would just not be right. And the same goes for most of these iconic characters. A timeless story and characters like these simply has no replacement and trying to force the story telling by swapping actors is doomed to curse the project and the reception of it in the end.
Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Matrix, Robocop, Total Recall and a long etc have all come back "adapted for modern audiences" and they all sucked. Why would this be any different? Also, there is no book for reference, it won´t be filmed in location (it won´t even have film, it´ll be digital), no actual humans with makeup and armor (it will have CGI orcs), it will have silly romances (everything will be fill up with Hollywood cliches)... We know what happened with the Hobbit (thank Maple for their edit) and later with Rings of Power... What we had in the early 2000 was beautiful and a treasure, I´ll just keep the memory from then.
As a big lotr fan I’m very excited for this…….but I’m trying not to get my hopes up. I hope they don’t ruin my favorite franchise and it feels like Hollywood is making more and more prequels and sequels every year and every year ruining that franchise.
Unless they pulled off some remarkable movie magic, having an aged actor playing his younger self will look strange. This is 10 years to late. Spoken as a big fan of both trilogies.
At this point I'm happy to just read the books. All this MK Ultra stuff is really insulting. Can't trust any studio to just tell a good story or stay true to source material.
It's an incredible time to be training as a combat actor, thats for sure. As a long time LotR fan, I'm constantly bothering acting agencies about *any* news regarding extras. 😂
I hope it doesn't get too blackwashed. The LOTR is based on European mythology so they should only cast White people, and I prefer only seeing beautiful White people in this movie. It shouldn't be considered scandalous having an all White cast anyway.
I am very supportive of this direction and hope it comes to pass. Notice the intense contrast in Philippa Boyens’ thoughts on the fans compared to what we got with Kathleen Kennedy… I respect this quote: “So we're in the audiences hands," she continued. "If there's an appetite for it, we've got more stories."
I don't think ROP had basically any people working on it who were there for the original trilogy. Also, they didn't get as much material from the Tolkien estate as they would have wanted, allegedly. With Jackson involved I have some hope it will be ok.
@ your a dumb one aren’t ya? From having bad writing to having bad acting has become a staple of wokeness. They don’t always go hand in hand but they are tied together like 90% of the time these days.
The search for Gollum needs to begin shortly after Bilbo's farewell party, so about a year before Frodo leaves the Shire (in the continuity of the films). The time compression that Peter Jackson introduced makes this a requirement.
I'm not excited. I'm interested in War of the Rohirrim, but haven't seen it yet. It's still WB and I don't trust their big franchise movies to be very good. And the last thing we heard from Phillipa Boyens and PJ making a LotR movie was The Hobbit. So really, as much as it's cool that it isn't that other ongoing film property wearing the LotR name, I'm almost completely checked out.
After the blockbuster success of turning the single Hobbit book into an epic trilogy, Hollywood challenged itself now to turn a single paragraph from the fellowship into a trilogy
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What stories would you like to see in future Lord of the Rings movies and trilogies? Let us know! 📽
I would like to see how Legolas met strider. Or about the woodland elves.
They shouldn't make any new random stories about lotr. As cool as it is, they cant bring back all the original actors and theses extra stories might draw away attention from the real thing. The hunt for gollum movie looks cool though. Just don't turn the greatest movie/book trilogy of all time into an anime!!
Maaaany :)
Beren and Luthien? Fall of Numenor? Children of Hurin? Silmarillion is a huge chest full of stories.
Maybe sth. about the great alliance and first war with Sauron?
Northern kingdoms also look fine.
"The fall of Numenor" is one story I'd really like to see on screen! As much as I love Andy Serkis's work, a spin-off film about Gollum is not really necessary in my opinion...
I would very much like to see a movie about Melkor/Morgoth..
The 2000's trilogy has no remake
The 2000's trilogy needs no remake
damn it's almost like they're not remaking it
bro ikr the only outcomes are that its either passable but unwanted or just its really bad and is an insult to tolkiens books.
@@sandramusic4574 well they probably will after those potential ones are used up they star warzin this up
@@sandramusic4574 seriously its like they didn't listen to the video at all.
After they ruined The Hobbit and tried to make it a comedy, the bs CGI for Orcs.....F**K This SH*"
Viggo is older now than Sir Ian was when he first played Gandalf
Wow
no way.
That is why i think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor. The last movie wasnt epic like og trilogy, but i enjoyed it. You could see how people involved were passioned with the world. Heck even the Silmarillion would work as a series with that format.
@@gordusmaximus4990 I hate anime, personal taste. But many have the same, unless "real" movies.
@@DutchGuyMike i get it if you dont like Anime. But the way this movie was made, its strange people saying that, when there was no "weird" Anime shit. No diference from this or lotr animated shows before the OG movies. Just the style. I find that strange. Heck, im not going even to start how some "Tolkien never thought his work being animated by eastern asian animation" which is such a dumb argument. But i get it dont like it, but now shitting on it just because its "Anime" when alot of people go watch Pixar or animated Disney movies and this was very nice looking. Its strange to me.
A rise of Angmar trilogy would go so hard 🔥
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Bro how? The Angmar Wars of destruction lasted for more than 600 years in mid third age. Entirety of Eriador was systematically conquered and depopulated in a long period of time. How can you get a proper story out of it like the destruction of the ring?
A trilogy? Idk man. A 5 season 10 episode series maybe but yes anything on the Rise of Angmar would be awesome
@@muratbayraktar5035 Decades pasted between Bilbo leaving for Rivendell and Gandalf returning to warn Frodo about the Nazgul
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus not decades. 17 years. It’s not like 50 years or even 30 years. Also the story doesn’t jump into the future after that point onwards. Rise and Fall of Angmar and its wars against Arnor isn’t an event. It’s 20 percent of the third age. The quest to Mount Doom lasted for about a couple of months. Think about it this way: there are nine kings of Arthedain before Arvedui is beaten and dies in the Ice Bay of Forochel trying to escape. How will you explain them properly? Also many significant events happen during the rule of many different kings. It’s just too vast of an event.
I think their best bet would be to do standalone silmarilian stories. Trying to condense the whole thing would be daunting if not impossible for a TV series, much less a film trilogy. It will never be as great as the OG trilogy was, but potential is there for good stories.
They don’t have the rights to the silmarillion though.
They said the same thing about the trilogy books until Peter jackson came along. I'm sure: Give him enough post production time, as long as he needs, money and passionate people as they had when they filmed LotR. If anyone can bring the Silmarillon on screen (and not just a bad fan ficiton) it's Peter Jackson.
If we ever see a Silmarillion adaptation (which I don’t expect we will) I wish it would be a tv series. Each story in The Silmarillion could be a season, or multiple seasons. For example Beren and Luthien would be 2-3 seasons. Same for Turin Turambar would be 2-3 seasons. Other stories would only need one season. It would give them more time to fit everything. And it should be live action.
@@samuraijack6057 I think that Hurin's Children 10-15 episodes. Beren Luthien 6-8 episodes, Feanor and departure from Valinor 6-8 episodes too. Tuor and his whole journey again 6-8 episodes, and other chapters 2-4 episodes.
@@lazerfrogstudios Christopher Tolkien has passed, and I read once that the next generation is more open to merching JRRT's works (mostly the Silmarillion as the major work, LotR and Hobbit were sold long ago), but until something is signed and announced, it's just speculation.
If Viggo Mortensen would play Aragorn it would be the real Return of the King
omg lol true
I would lose it if it happened. Give the age of some of the actors it could well be their very last dance in the Middle Earth.
I have seen the indie Hunt for Gollum. It was not half bad, but it was missing the team. LOTR without the team may not capture the same essence.
I think he is too old. I think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor.
@gordusmaximus4990 lord of the rings and anime don't mix. At least, 'og' lord of the rings, like the trilogy
It all boils down to how talented the scriptwriters are. Is it possible to create a very good movie? Yes.
And please for the love of God do not overuse cgi... we want real actors and effects 😂
I do not have faith in Hollyweird's current culture of writers. Very few decent, let alone praise worthy movies have come out. Studios mandating DEI inserts and woke writers who can only do self inserts leave me doubtful anything remotely approaching LotR can be achieved. Peter Jackson made a mess of the Hobbit and Boyens did a no name girl boss movie. Rings of Power was given to no names because JJ Abrahms recommended them and they spoke some elvish at their interview. I'll stick with reading the books or listening to audio dramas where I'm guaranteed adherence to the actual lore.
@@arthurpendragon3000exactly.
Well, they've spent the last 21 years proving that they can't.
it wont happen in this day and age. they will ruin it with dei
Can't help but be both excited and worried for The Hunt for Gollum
10% excited 90% worried
@@arthurshelby3125 Nothing to be worried or excited about, its going to blow.
i'm extremely excited, only a little worried. it's already looking very very good
Very true!
woke cancer incoming
Trans aragorn :DDd
It's not about whether fans have an appetite for this material, it's about whether the creative team put enough effort and care into writing good stories and dialogue. People couldn't wait for Rings of Power but it was garbage, so they treated it like garbage. If you write it well, they will come.
The hobbit trilogy was garbage.
The war of the rohirrim was garbage.
The rings of power is garbage.
And you all clap for the upcoming gabillion new Lotr things like it's the return of Christ. ... Jesus...
@@Stephen64138who's clapping? I'm not.
@@simonRTJ yeah, those are good points. I also think in the LOTR they just stuck to the source material (no duh) and let the story speak for itself, whereas with later productions they had to write the material themselves (including the painful expansion of the Hobbit). It’s no coincidence that when they had to do this, the quality went down dramatically. Tolkien is hard to replace.
@@Stephen64138 That's the point you are missing, we Tolkien fans never wanted RoP or War of the Rohirrim and the Hobbit should have been 1 long or two moderate films and no more. I'm not the least bit interested in a 'Hunt of Gollum' film or a Witch King trilogy of films either. They are not stories that need films but the Silmarillion might be, if written well.
@@Thurgosh_OG You already saw what the Silmarillion would have been with several scenes in the Rings of Power.
'' Do you know why a ship float while a rock sink? Cause the rock look down... ''
You would have 5 seasons of ...
I mean you have 5 seasons of that.
Jackson and his team cannot do anything but garbage. What do you all expect? That among the unending trend of garbage we suffer on a daily basis, they'll somehow manage to flip things over and produce pre 2000 stuff once again, with real mens, with real women, with traditionnal values, ethnically coherent and aiming to bring people together?
...
Guys... Never. Ever.
(Not until we _force_ them too. I mean)
i want them to do films focusing on the First Age. I want to see the rise and fall of Gondolin, the magic of the Girdle of Melian, the epic romance of Beren and Luthien, heck even the tragedy of Turin.
But most of all, I wanna see the War of Wrath and the Destruction of Belariand!
unfortunately I don't believe they own the rights to those, if I remember right all they have is The Lord of the Rings and Appendices, the Hobbit, and possibly Unfinished Tales
@@duncanthomson7894 so instead of spending more money buying the rights to the Silmarillion, they would just keep using the material they already have rights to? interesting, i guess that makes sense. but if they have Unfinished Tales, they could at least do Turin or Tuor (kinda). Admittedly, the Narn i Hîn Húrin stories are the least intriguing of the bunch (IMO, its def fine to disagree with that), and wouldn't be a super great choice for the silver screen without making massive changes for modern cinema audiences (which would be disappointing; ie Rings of Power).
but man do i wanna see the War of Wrath. like, SO BAD!
@@AzothBLM I just read more into it, the Tolkien estate hasn't sold the screen rights of the Silmarillion to anybody, and it's unlikely that they will :(
Whatever content they produce I just want it to be lore accurate as possible. I would love to see ANY LOTR story that a studio would care to produce.
@@rick_coplover92 agreed! as long as its LORE ACCURATE ill take whatever they give! (again rip rings of power)
Anyone remember the “Hunt for Gollum” fan film? ❤
I watched it it was pretty solid
Oh yes, was a good one ❤
It was good
I liked it! I hope that PJ'S film is as good....
I do remember, and another one, Born of Hope. There are so many stories to tell and Tolkien himself hoped people would do just that, as I recall. Now if only they will do these things well!
I hope they take the criticisms from war of the rohirrim and apply them here.
1. Don’t rush the project.
2. Allow the writers to polish dialogue.
How about just making a screen adaptation of a story that Tolkien wrote without making "creative differences," inserting their own ideologies, and changing some of the established lore that is clearly given. If they would just do THAT, then any movie they make would be a blockbuster hit
@@blazervol3357right?! Middle earth is still popular for a reason. Just follow the books and stop this fan fiction crap. They think they can improve on perfection.
@@blazervol3357 well, inserting ideologies is one thing, but making creative differences is essential to adapting Tolkien’s work into a movie/show format.
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb I personally think the new movies won’t be rushed out. War of the Rohirrim had to be rushed out in order for them to keep the rights to future movies. That’s not gonna be the case with Hunt For Gollum
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb you can have creative differences that are still pretty accurate to the books. But when they start to really deviate from the source material and become their own thing is when it becomes problematic. If the movies are animated, then there isn't any reason why they would have to deviate from the source material
This worries me. I just saw War of the Rohirrim, and while it was better than I thought it would be, I thought it was no more than okay. I don't think Hunt for Gollum will ever be that interesting no matter what, because it's just not a compelling tale, but the stories you're thinking might be adapted are ones I *want* to see done well, unfortunately, and I fear they won't be
I pretty much agree not to disrespect Andy but I am also not very thrilled to see 4 hours of detective dungeon crawler, and then there are expectations set so incredibly high as it has some connection to the main movies, replacing and finding new actors will be very tough task no matter which story will be chosen, for it will be heavily compared to the original.
The Trailers let me do you think it will suck so I’m gonna try to see it after seeing your comment. I hope the movie is better than the trailers make it look
Agree with both of your points, the tale of hunt for gollum is as compelling to me as the other tales of middle earth. And I also didn't like war of the Rohirrim, it was too girlbossy and woke for me to like
@@farahahmed8201 she wasn't the worst of the "girlboss" archetype IMO, but I do wish it had been more about Helm the Hammerhand, and I also don't think the writing was very good.
@@farahahmed8201 define "woke"
Hollywood STOP killing everything we love with soulless, unnecessary, obvious cash grab prequels.
Whoa whoa, calm down here boy. These are the people who brought us the original trilogy! Everything about LoTR that you love so much is because of these people. Have some respect and trust in them! They deserve it.
@@janmajer4662they fucked up in hobbit enough. Those movies aren’t bad but they are not faithful to the source material and are genuinely cgi action movies which are long for no good reason at all. Now War of the Rohirrim is even worse and pointless. The quality level is only going down not up.
@@muratbayraktar5035 Fucked up? Bro, Peter Jackson saved the sinking ship and made it into at least good-decent movies.
The production of both trilogies can never be compared, because for the Hobbit the situation and position for PJ was just so much worse in every way. What he was able to do under those circumstances is actually very impressive.
Blaming him for what you see as bad in these movies is totally unfair and straight up ignorant.
I am so tired of you arrogant jerks spitting at Hobbit all the time.
@@muratbayraktar5035 Uh, excuse you, but “The Hobbit” trilogy was great and “War of the Rohirrim” was actually good. The only thing that was awful was “Rings of Power” but that was done by a totally different studio and totally different people. So I don’t see what’s the problem here.
@@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 the issue is being faithful to the source material. The original trilogy was a perfect example of a book to movie adaptation. The most important events were told in all their glory and the changes were made only to make the movies not 24 hours or to basically be more alligned with the visual form of storytelling. They put in the most important events and shortened certain parts of the story for the purpose of storytelling and even made certain parts of the books more coherent. They didnt add completely irrelevant or non existing characters to where they shouldnt be. They handcrafted every item and set by closely working with many Tolkien scholars and they didnt fire any of them. Lotr isnt just a franchise, it is the part of a far larger Mythology akin to Greek Myths or the Scandinavian myths. It shouldnt be jerked for more content for decades. Either adapt them at the quality of the original trilogy or just dont bother at all.
The Rise Of Angmar and Fall Of Arnor would be an incredible trilogy. The story is immersive and The Witch King really shines in the story he is my all time favorite Tolkien Villain. Serkis could also return as the Voice Of The Witch King.
It's been done in a well received video game.
The hell you need a new rings of power tv show about it?
With the witch king being depicted as a evil white guy and brave diverse women opposing him and his racist plan to conquer Arnor?
Cause that's exactly what you would get.
Another storyline they could turn into a movie is Aragorn's younger days when he was in South Gondor and Umbar, in a fight for the city of Corsairs. The movie would start with Viggo as Aragorn telling his son a story. That way they can introduce a new actor as a younger, swash-buckling Aragorn who hasn't learned his lessons yet. And toss in some Black Numenoreans to tie LOTR to Numenor, then tales of Numenor which would be a whole other series.
Great idea!
Sounds like some shite the Rings of Power writers would come up with. "Swashbuckling". What the fuck.
Let’s hope he remembers how he portrayed Aragorn and does it as well as he did…*crosses fingers*
How could he ever forget?
doubt, cgi is good but not that good
@@SomeIdiotLULHow does CGI have to do with anything?
Whats crazy is he's around the same age Ian McKellen was when he played Gandalf in the LoTR movies.
There was an interview somewhat recently where they had his sword and I think he spoke a little elvish. Its still there a bit at least.
it's sad that they left too many years go to waste and didn't make more movies earlier 😒
Why do more Movies ?
The trilogy is finished, Story is told literaly no Point in doing more Movies other them making more Money (which is what Happens Right here)
More movies usually means more disappointments. Hobbit trilogy wasn't as good as LOTR & Rings of power was a joke.
@@1Guug there are many stories to be told lol
@@Empty12345 hobbits was good, little bit too much cgi but still good, we're talking about movies and there are many stories to be told
They couldn't because Christopher Tolkien wouldn't sign over the rights to them and for good reason. Examples of that being ROP and now War of the Rohirrim. Both take a huge shat on his Father's lifelong work by writers trying to input their own ideologies into Tolkien's work.
The most important thing is that it is created in the style of the first trilogy.
I'll take things that will never happen for 400.
They better damn spend a few years working on this and not damn rush it like all the LOTR prequels ever.
Damn right, damnit.
They better just not do it at all. I don’t want Tolkien to be milked. It’s sacred and no other movie will ever be made which gets close to the first trilogy.
It’s already been milked. Don’t kill the poor cow. 🐄
@@muratbayraktar5035 And the first trilogy while good came nowhere near a good long, comfy reading of the LOTR in book form.
Too late, they had to make it to keep the rights.
an epic saga set over the centuries of conflict during the fall of Arnor would be an amazing trilogy. We'd see so many key events that lead into the Lord of the Rings, not just the war itself and everything you mentioned but: the establishment of the Shire, the remnants of the Northern Dunedain becoming the Rangers of the North, the Fall of Minas Ithil at the very end of the movies, with the beginning of the Stewards of Gondor ruling after Earnur gives in to the Witch-king's taunts. It would a tragic but hopeful end, knowing a hobbit from the Shire and Aragorn's destinies
Pete has mentioned wanting to do the Silmarillion. That would be nuts
it would take 10 years
@johnniewalker3134 it seriously would
I hope they don't overdo The Hunt for Gollum. It should be an adventure/survival style film, not something that turns into a giant battle. As for the trilogy, I think the Arnor-Angmar story would work much better than the Alternate War of the Ring Locations, as there is more to it than just endless fighting. The Battle of Five Armies was the worst of the Jackson's six films for this reason.
I agree, this giant battle stuff is wearisome. The two sieges in the original trilogy were interesting, because we kept focusing in on small groups of people (as the books do, you know, having been written by a guy who was in a terrible war, not two Bogan housewives), but seeing one hundred thousand cgi creatures have at it just leaves me stone cold.
Yeah, more fan fiction for braindead consumers to consume.
Tolkien would have despised you all.
That battle in the Hobbit was an atrocity... not just in terms of military accuracy (elves jumping over a shieldwall) but because it devolved into the main characters climbing a mountain to engage in single combat. Just utter stupidity.
@@uvicjames The Elves jumping over the shieldwall has to be the stupidest battle-moment in movie history.
@@uvicjames Elves supposed to be super light and can jump, i dont see the problem, and Thorin took his 2 best warriors with him to kill Azog the defiler , cause all the drarves (not many at that point) were trying to fight the battle! He couldnt take many with him
The one I would want to see is the history of Khazad-Dum with a focus on Balin's mission to reclaim Moria for the dwarves. I think it's a great story and would bridge the time between The Hobbit and LOTR. It has the advantage of familiar characters and would fill in some history for those who just watch the movies.
I’d love to see that!
Oh hell yeah
A book version of battle of azanulbizalr would be epic as well
Yeah… bring them back so we can watch them die… no thank you 😅
I’d actually love to see a trilogy centering on the House of Finwe and his sons, especially Feanor and the scheming of Morgoth/Melkor which led to the Noldor’s bloody return to Middle-Earth, the theft of the Silmarils, and the curse laid upon the House of Feanor. There’s a lot of story to be told here, and it could easily be broken into a trilogy of films with one apiece dedicated to Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin. It would need to end with the latter, since he alone is still alive (presumably) and still serves as High King of the Noldor elves across the sea. But on the whole, it’s as dramatic and action-packed a tale as the LotR books, and it would make for some spectacular scenes and sequences. It also provides quite a bit of history that ties in with the Rings of Power series, and fleshes out Middle-Earth as a whole.
True. But the problem is, the writing that Tolkien did about the House of Finwë is relatively small. It is written in the way that Celtic and Norse sagas were written. The Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit, were written as novels, with deep character development and description of the 'feel" of everything -- that is the reason why they are so enthralling, and the reason why we go to the Silmarillion and the Tales, and crave for more. The sheer size of Lord of the Rings somewhat prevented the screenwriters from departing too much from the original material, and called for a respectful director, which Jackson was.
Now, the saga of the House of Finwë, or any other story from the Silmarillion and Tales, to be made into a film would need the screenwriters to do actual creative work. And you have seen what happens when they do, when they do not have their hands tied and restrained: you have seen Rings of Power. Be it for the appeal of shock (like in Song of Ice and Fire, where they actually bought the writing soul of Martin out with money to transform the books into violence-porn), or for injecting the least subtle popular ideology du jour (like the pitiful RoP), the entertainment industry will chew up even the best stories and vomit them out into pigswill that they suppose will appeal to the brainless masses. Give them a story that needs to be fleshed up to become a film, and they will produce some utter monstrosity.
I wish there could be good films made out of some of the immense quantity of interconnected themes and stories that Tolkien created. But it cannot be done properly without respect. And I have very little hope that that respect can be found.
I think a story told through different realms during the War of the Ring would be the most fitting for a trilogy.
The hunt for Gollum. Based on two pages of the original book. It's going to be great...
The same the Hobbit garbage trilogy with a love story between Gandalf and Galadriel AND a dwarf and elf? Talk about a crappy cash grab.
@@SinCityVillain I think OP was sarcastic.
Bro the armless AI gollum at 1:20 💀
The just-slightly-off AI Aragorn in the thumbnail, too 💀
Seems like Gollum wasn't just a murderer but incestuous too
I’m pretty sure almost nobody (from the fandom) is quite sold on this yet. I’ll personally just wait for the trailer and look out for any… suspicious activity present within it… and then decide wether I’ll spend my hard earned money on it or not, and I think most would agree with me on that point. If I knew they were going to be tackling this with the same amount of passion and (most importantly) *_RESPECT FOR TOLKIENS WORK,_* that they had with the original trilogy (despite some acceptable deviations), I could just buy blindly and not let myself get spoiled of any scenes by a potentially spoilerous trailer.
God i would love seeing ian Mcellen as Gangalf again. It's so great seeing how attached to the character he is. Hearing how much he fell in love with playing Gandalf where he was first a non book reader, and is now a massive fan. The man knows good story when he discovere it
Love the idea of a trilogy about The Witch King of Angmar, Arnor and Fornost. These films are all set in the ‘past’, so I believe they should be recast. So the new faces can become the new fan favourites for the next generation. Don’t get me wrong the casting was perfect for LOTRs, but this can be done again.
Nope. Not now. We need to let the current generation of writers leave the field. They have way too much "main character syndrome" and doesn't know a good story or decent dialogue if it bit them in their stupid arse.
From what I've seen about the War of the Rohirrim, I am not very optimistic about the Hunt for Gollum or any future Middle Earth series or movies. PJ struck gold with LOTR, copper with the Hobbit, and ROP is straight coal. I would rather forget that everything but the original LOTR trilogy exists.
They should wait a few years until the message is truly gone. Otherwise it would go the way of RoP or War of the Roh'her'im.
The Fall of Arnor/Rise of the Witch King Would be so epic
The CGI de-aging will make this look stupid
7:02, this is not a good sign. When a product is made to please the mass, nothing good is gonna happen.
The Conflict in the North idea could be linked with the eventi of the Hobbit Trilogy highlighting those events
I'd enjoy this, especially if they could get Billy Connoly to voice Dain again.
If there's someone who can play Aragorn or be Aragorn, it's none other than Sir Viggo ❤
Please, no
He's 66
3:00 “…and if these details are true…” which means you could possibly be spreading rumors.
Hopefully they use as little CGI as possible
not likely
They're going to have to de-age all the actors, Viggos _66_
@@bloodyneptune ever heard of make-up? They can do great things with that, ya know
I'm soooo excited for the movies directed by Andy. I hope we get to see some of the old cast, no matter how aged they might be. I'd struggle more to see our beloved cast replaced with new actors.
Oh we absolutely want LoTR content, there is definitely a huge fan base wanting more content, the problem is them if they decide to pull weird stuff again and massively deviate from the source material trying to appeal a fanbase that doesn't really exist. The original 3 were a master piece, don't need to invent the wheel again, go for the same public, make minimal changes to the main story just like with the original 3, and we'll love it, even if lots of CGI are used to reduce production time.
Star Wars fand wanted more content, too. We got the Acolyte and the Sequels and a bunch of other weird, self-insert Alphabet mob agenda narrative, not anything close to George Lucas vision or lore. So yeah, good luck thinking they'll stay with source material. Look at what's already been made. Rings of Power and Rohirrim ..Girl-Power, Girl Boss! What could go wrong?!
Starwars is RIP. Corporation done they things.
@@SinCityVillainalso making isolated communities as multiculturally diverse as downtown LA
The only ethnicities Tolkien described in middle-earth were Scandinavian / northern European, Mediterranean, Mongolian looking (rhun), and Arab looking (Harad / Southrons). It's patronising to suggest that people need to see a "reflection of themselves" on screen in order to enjoy a movie. All it does is remind us we're watching a modern film and pulls us out of the submersion, as well as not making sense in terms of world-building.
Even if a new trilogy is great, I doubt anything could rival the original trilogy....it was the perfect combination of everything that came together
Those movies were literally God-sent!
Turning those two pages about the hunt for Gollum in the book into ONE movie would even be a stretch, but making it TWO movies is just insane. Super-sceptic! Nothing Tolkien-related gets good when it's dragged out. Nothing has ever come close to the masterpiece of the LOTR-trilogy, where they instead had to trim the story down. All dragging-stuff-out into more releases to make more money always results in reduced quality and negatively effects all good that came before. The more they make, the less special each release feels. Just look at how Disney destroyed Star Wars. Less is often more. If we are shown everything and more that takes away the mysticism and wonder, which is a huge part of what makes it great. Recasting people breaks the illusion of the world feeling real, but so does casting the same actor looking much older in a time where he should look younger or the same.
Philippa Boyens has confirmed that The Hunt for Gollum is definitely one movie. The confusion arose because they signed on to create two new live-action films.
@@MiddleEarthUpdates That's a relief! Thanks
No worries!
Lets be honest, I dont think ANYONE would care how old the originals are should they come back. We just want to see the OGs back in the world we all so love
Let's hope They make it just as good as The Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
They might… heck! This could probably end up being the best movie that we’ve seen in decades, but fans will just hate it anyways.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wait, you're serious?!?!
@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 lol, bet u loved the rings of power......have you no shame? Tolkien would NOT have wanted this, does that matter to you?
Get off the couch, go live life
I loved.. the story of Beren and Luthien with the Gondolin fall.... Or the story of Earendil and Elwing with the last silmaril.... Two love stories in fact.
After War of the Rohirrim you'll forgive me if jumping for joy at this news. I can give you the plot right now. Aragorn leads a band of Rangers hunting for Gollum, one of them is female, she's the boss and tells every incompetent man what to do then single handedly finds Gollum herself. The End. At best it'll be another Hobbit situation because this is not a trilogy's worth of lore. If this is a trilogy then they should still be making LoTR movies to this day. Either way I have zero faith in this project. Hollywood is simply not in the same place it was 20 years ago.
How can you speculate about ideas for potential movies and completely forget Luthien and Beren?
Because they only have the rights to use material mentioned in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. They don’t have the rights to The Silmarillion, The Children of Húrin, Beren and Lúthien, etc.
Beren and Luthien would be a wonderful addition to the series.
If the ROP writers got heir hands on that one, they would both be lesbian trans-women. We don't want that.
if viggo doesn't come back, there will be no movie.
The Angmar/Arnor story would be great, Glorfindel is my favorite lotr character.
There is nothing as big as LOTR because all the characters have some depth and complexity. The story may include huge wars but if you don't know how to set up the story and increase the tension, there will be no climax and no joy after the war ends. LOTR books spent 1500 pages and movies 10 hours to make Gollum's fall fantastic. And yes, it is absolutely wonderful.
I need to see Aragorn as an older king in the 4th age fighting and then making peace with the men of the east and south
Would be good for a new trilogy- Fourth Age, following Argon's Son as he becomes King.
Film One - Birth of a new threat. Following Argon's son who currently lives with Gimli's dwarf colony behind Helms Deep. He doesn't want the responsibly as king and wants Faramir family line to be the kings instead. So, sits in self exile to avoids Gondor and Argon. He then goes on a hobbit style adventure with some dwarfs to find this object which links to the resurrection some how( see below). The party are not aware of this.
Film Two - Minas Tirith is sacked - Aragon dies on the walls / Arwen dies in the sacking but send a message to Elrond just before she is killed. Rohan's relive force is ambushed and Éomer and his heir is killed. The survives of the siege and ambush flee west
Threat is relieved as some sort of Nazgûl who worships Sauron as a God and wants to resurrect him. The object falls into the hands of the evil forces.
Film Three - An old Elrond shows up with a battalion of old and scarred elves. They have sacrificed their immortally to return to middle earth. They have become mortal and old. Elrond warns what the amulet is and what they intend to use if for. Aragon son sends a group to destroy the object before it can be used. He claims the throne and reunites men again. An army of Elves, Men & Dwafs invade the east for one last final show battle to save middle earth. While simultaneously the small group of 7 - Dwarf, men & elves infiltrate to destroy the object.
I would leave out the eagles, wizards, hobbits and magic
Just Elves, Men, Orcs & dwarfs - make the films more gritty realistic fantasy like GOTs did.
The object should not be a ring maybe some amulet with a Balrog's soul captured inside.
So, wordy of an Oscar?
There is absolutely no reason to remake those movies.
Angmar trilogy would be awesome but I just don't trust contemporary studios to do a good job, unfortunately...
and that's the crux
Every one is hating on this movie just appreciate what we get as we were Robbed from all these movies nothing will beat the trilogy because it’s nostalgia and originality. I’m super stoked to get more lotr movies and I wish we get more anime movies as well a lot of actors are now older and it’s truly sad, but make no mistake I’m very happy we will get more of middle earth it’s such a beautiful world and lore!
Anything with Legolas strider and Frodo and i want a movie of Legolas’ life after the lotr
As long as they don't succumb to the mess that was this last LoTR reiterations.. Rings of Power and War of the Rohirrim
Absolutely agree. If it goes into woke cult territory I'm out! Regardless of how good it is
If they're Amazon projects, I sincerely hope that none of it ever sees the light of day, much less a single dollar in the budget.
Each movie being treated as a chapter of the northern realms defense against Sauron’s armies would be awesome
Maybe do the forging of the rings so that I can get the Rings of Power out of my head
I think if Viggo was asked, he would return as Aragorn. He mentioned that he hadn't been asked yet in a recent interview with Nerd of the Rings, and that he wasn't in the know at that point in time.
I know this probably wont happen because of the Amazon show. But imagine if they did their own Second Age Trilogy. Eregion, the forging of the rings, Numenor. It could be so fucking good.
The other main thing i would love to see is the War in the North during the Third age. None of the LOTR characters are involved so you dont have the actor issue. But it will be cool to see Erebor and Dale again etc. The battles in Mirkwood/Dul Guldur and Lothlorian would be really cool to see.
They could have a scene of explaining why Galadriel send Haldir and his soldiers to Helms Deep. Have Galadriel look into her mirror right before their own battle and see the future of Helms Deep if they dont come and help them. So she sends a small army of Elves to Rohan right before fighting their own battles.
I've been talking about movies or a show set during the Fall of Arnor since the we got the first news of Rings of Power around 2016. Seriously, it's perfect, it got fan favorite characters from the original movies in the nazgûl, a blank slate for new characters (that used to be a plus, but with the quality of some new characters nowadays, not so much), it explains why Middle-Earth is going through a Dark Age of sorts during the War of the Ring, it explains why Gondor doesnt have a king and where Aragorn comes from, it explains why the Shire is isolated, why Minas Ithil became Minas Morgul and why the world is depopulated and, the best of it all, it doesn't mess with the main events and characters of the Lord of the Rings like Rings of Power does (with the possible exception of Gandalf, who isn't mentioned at all in those wars and could be brought in).
Not sure if this venture would be such a success as LOTR franchise.
When are they making The Silmarillion?
I don't see anything announced /shrug
I love Ian Mckellen's love for the character and his resolve to honor it and the fact that no one really want's to see someone else play Gandalf, it would just not be right.
And the same goes for most of these iconic characters.
A timeless story and characters like these simply has no replacement and trying to force the story telling by swapping actors is doomed to curse the project and the reception of it in the end.
Oh boy
I would like to see a trilogy that allows me to see a live-action Gondolin. If you don't understand why, look up depictions of it...
Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Matrix, Robocop, Total Recall and a long etc have all come back "adapted for modern audiences" and they all sucked. Why would this be any different?
Also, there is no book for reference, it won´t be filmed in location (it won´t even have film, it´ll be digital), no actual humans with makeup and armor (it will have CGI orcs), it will have silly romances (everything will be fill up with Hollywood cliches)...
We know what happened with the Hobbit (thank Maple for their edit) and later with Rings of Power...
What we had in the early 2000 was beautiful and a treasure, I´ll just keep the memory from then.
As long as it doesn’t resemble Rings of Power, I can get behind this. Let’s give it a chance
As a big lotr fan I’m very excited for this…….but I’m trying not to get my hopes up. I hope they don’t ruin my favorite franchise and it feels like Hollywood is making more and more prequels and sequels every year and every year ruining that franchise.
Im a super huge fan too but i don't want them to ruin the original trilogy by creating random stuff that tolkien didn't make. 😢
Unless they pulled off some remarkable movie magic, having an aged actor playing his younger self will look strange.
This is 10 years to late. Spoken as a big fan of both trilogies.
At this point I'm happy to just read the books. All this MK Ultra stuff is really insulting. Can't trust any studio to just tell a good story or stay true to source material.
MK ultra???
It's an incredible time to be training as a combat actor, thats for sure. As a long time LotR fan, I'm constantly bothering acting agencies about *any* news regarding extras. 😂
After the Rings of Power, anything would be better.
Nothing would be better, this is juat corporate milking
I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see Fingolfin confronting Morgoth...
I hope it doesn't get too blackwashed. The LOTR is based on European mythology so they should only cast White people, and I prefer only seeing beautiful White people in this movie. It shouldn't be considered scandalous having an all White cast anyway.
I am very supportive of this direction and hope it comes to pass. Notice the intense contrast in Philippa Boyens’ thoughts on the fans compared to what we got with Kathleen Kennedy… I respect this quote: “So we're in the audiences hands," she continued.
"If there's an appetite for it, we've got more stories."
theres no way
I thing to have Peter Jackson here is a warranty, otherwise i'd be seriously worried about the saga.
After ROP, I am skeptical of LOTR fan fiction, but I'm no LOTR expert.
I don't think ROP had basically any people working on it who were there for the original trilogy. Also, they didn't get as much material from the Tolkien estate as they would have wanted, allegedly. With Jackson involved I have some hope it will be ok.
Don't make it woke, don't make it woke, don't make it woke, don't make it woke, don't make it worse!
Please no wokeness. Rings of power and the new animated one sucked so bad.
They're making new films with basically no source material and your biggest concern is black people?
Fr
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Oh, so you didn't like the portrayal of a traditional orc family in RoP? 😂
@ your a dumb one aren’t ya? From having bad writing to having bad acting has become a staple of wokeness. They don’t always go hand in hand but they are tied together like 90% of the time these days.
Viggo is older than Ian McKellen when he played Gandalf in the original trilogy... They'll have to CGI him harder than Orlando in Hobbit Trilogy
Which looked so terrible to the point I found it so distracting I couldn't enjoy them.
Grammpa aragon plays younger aragon, you're all dumb
De-aging techniques are getting vastly better. All of them should not be too overly concerned about how old they've gotten.
Wow this is the saddest news all year. No classic is safe 😔
The search for Gollum needs to begin shortly after Bilbo's farewell party, so about a year before Frodo leaves the Shire (in the continuity of the films). The time compression that Peter Jackson introduced makes this a requirement.
They are gonna make gollum a crossdresser...and the protagonist will be Frodo's sister
They are going to link the bad guys into current day politics like Donald Trump and Republicans
No Remake Needed.. We Saw What you Did to Matrix, Iron Man, etc... Infact Just Rerelease the Old Trilogy again it will give you enough money
Guys, obviously the only actors that will reprise their roles are Christopher Lee, Ian Holm and Bernard Hill
I hope it's not a mistake. Viggo was magnificent in the original trilogy, one hopes the new movies will do him justice.
I'm not excited. I'm interested in War of the Rohirrim, but haven't seen it yet. It's still WB and I don't trust their big franchise movies to be very good. And the last thing we heard from Phillipa Boyens and PJ making a LotR movie was The Hobbit.
So really, as much as it's cool that it isn't that other ongoing film property wearing the LotR name, I'm almost completely checked out.
After the blockbuster success of turning the single Hobbit book into an epic trilogy, Hollywood challenged itself now to turn a single paragraph from the fellowship into a trilogy
7:04 that’s a fancy way to say “if you keep buying, we’ll keep shoveling”
I will say, IMO all the actors in the Peter Jackson films were AWESOME. Top notch.