They shouldn't make any new random stories about lotr. As cool as it is, they cant bring back all the original actors and theses extra stories might draw away attention from the real thing. The hunt for gollum movie looks cool though. Just don't turn the greatest movie/book trilogy of all time into an anime!!
Maaaany :) Beren and Luthien? Fall of Numenor? Children of Hurin? Silmarillion is a huge chest full of stories. Maybe sth. about the great alliance and first war with Sauron? Northern kingdoms also look fine.
"The fall of Numenor" is one story I'd really like to see on screen! As much as I love Andy Serkis's work, a spin-off film about Gollum is not really necessary in my opinion...
That is why i think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor. The last movie wasnt epic like og trilogy, but i enjoyed it. You could see how people involved were passioned with the world. Heck even the Silmarillion would work as a series with that format.
@@DutchGuyMike i get it if you dont like Anime. But the way this movie was made, its strange people saying that, when there was no "weird" Anime shit. No diference from this or lotr animated shows before the OG movies. Just the style. I find that strange. Heck, im not going even to start how some "Tolkien never thought his work being animated by eastern asian animation" which is such a dumb argument. But i get it dont like it, but now shitting on it just because its "Anime" when alot of people go watch Pixar or animated Disney movies and this was very nice looking. Its strange to me.
Honestly, if they did a remake of "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy, I would be highly ticked off, because no one in their right mind should mess with something that was and remains perfect. I can never imagine anyone else playing any of characters that were in the original "LotR"...It was cast perfectly.
All the makers need to do is follow Tolkien's text, he provides for dark skinned and light skinned peoples. They ignore Tolkien's writings at their own risk.
The Rise Of Angmar and Fall Of Arnor would be an incredible trilogy. The story is immersive and The Witch King really shines in the story he is my all time favorite Tolkien Villain. Serkis could also return as the Voice Of The Witch King.
It's been done in a well received video game. The hell you need a new rings of power tv show about it? With the witch king being depicted as a evil white guy and brave diverse women opposing him and his racist plan to conquer Arnor? Cause that's exactly what you would get.
The Witch King was one of the greatest of the Nazgul. To my mind, he is the single most pivotal character in the whole story. Without the Witch King, Sauron would not have had a Darth Vader type to marshal his forces in the field. Can you imagine a story about the man who who wrestled with his ring before he broke and bent knee to Sauron, only to rise as his chief lieutenant in the tragic end? Come to think of it, I would really enjoy seeing a trilogy devoted to the life and fall of each of the wraiths, personally. Or maybe a trilogy about the journey of the Blue Wizards.
Faramir said " I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend." I'm a rabid Lord of the Rings fan and have been for many many decades, but of the books. I love the books, and like Christopher Lee, re-read them almost every year. And I like the films VERY much and will watch them every chance I get. But these proposed films seem like war movies. Battle movies. That quote from Faramir was really Tolkien himself speaking because those were his feelings. There's nothing I'd like more than "more Middle Earth." Middle earth has been a part of my life and my consciousness my entire life. But please, stay loyal to Tolkien's vision. Don't make war stories the central theme. Have them support a story, don't make them BE the story. Because that's NOT "Tolkien."
@@TheHammerofDissidence mine too and I wasn’t happy with what Jackson did with him in the films… and not sure why he did it. Tolkien didn’t have Faramir tempted by the ring. So yeah, the films were good. But they weren’t the books, which were-are- great.
The audience demands quality writing, dialogue and acting without Hollywood’s insufferable messaging. If it’s garbage they produce it’ll go untouched. Make a timeless classic and the audience will ensure that it lives forever.
Wow, what incredible insight. “Make it good or people won’t like it.” What a brilliant mind. Cause you know Hollywoods goal is to make garbage movies that lose money. I bet they never even considered making good movies.
Oh yes very good point. No DEI & gendered characters nonsense stuff. For us that have read the book there’s a lot more detail that could if done well really be as good as the last one.
The Hollywood of today has actually managed to get me to a point where I do not get hyped anymore, and this video has made that awfully clear to me. Obviously, the original Lord of the Rings trilogy is among the best that was ever put to screen - a perfect adaptation, free of any modern-day influence or bias, as well as the perfect blend of amazing sets, practical effects and CG, and Peter Jackson deserves to be forever praised for tackling the books that way. He displayed a rare feat of absolute integrity and understanding when he decided that the trilogy wasn't a vehicle for his own political views or his artistic and creative freedom as a writer, and that it should be told the way Tolkien already told it. And yet, on the one hand we have a beloved franchise that hasn't seen a single similarly great release since the original trilogy, that manages to disappoint and get worse with each subsequent release - and not just Rings of Power, as this video shows the logo for the pathetic War of the Rohirrim every time Philippa Boyens is mentioned (who also brought us "bangers" like Mortal Engines and The Lovely Bones, btw.) - and on the other hand we have seen, time after time, that a creator of a beloved franchise coming back to it after decades doesn't guarantee anything great or even just good. Ridley Scott, the genius who brought us the first two Alien movies, has not only recently killed that franchise and kicked its corpse down the road ever since Prometheus, he was also an executive producer on Gladiator and recently gave us a sequel to that great movie that nobody asked for and I wish had never been made - an uninspired rehash of the original but without any of the care and internal consistency that went into it. We've also seen it with Peter Jackson himself, when he showed us with his Hobbit trilogy that he, apparently, didn't have another LotR in him. Of course, there's also James Cameron who, much like Ridley Scott with Alien and Aliens, had managed to follow up a banger movie - the Terminator - with a sequel that was just as good if not even better, and then went and mutilated his own legacy with a deluge of new movies that do everything to "let the past die - kill it if you must". Your pitches for potential trilogies both sound promising, and you did a stellar job with the artwork you chose to visualize the scenes, but no, I'm not hyped or even cautiously optimistic for yet another attempt by modern Hollywood to cash in on the fans' nostalgia for a truly great (set of) movie(s) from a time where good movies were still a somewhat normal thing. If this new Gollum movie (that I don't consider "necessary" in the first place) turns out good - great. But if it's utter shite, I won't be even a little bit surprised. Good on Viggo, if he actually does keep away from the project because of a bad script.
The Peter Jackson movies are not perfect. They don't have the scouring of the shire and they change too much of the original story for cheap narrative effects that result in plot holes. The characters of Denethor and Faramir are also crude and one dimensional in the movies and very far from being faithful to the story.
Aliens (Alien 2) is James Cameron's film. Ridley Scott made only the first installment. I almost agree with you. But the part when Orlando Bloom slides in a board from stairs or jumps back on on a horse in some reverse time trick-what was that!? What a total b$ was the part in Moria, where they were balancing the few yausend ton stone wall? The ending was also changed, arguable to better suit medium requirements. But it is the best it could possibly be at this (late) time, even better 😀
It's not about whether fans have an appetite for this material, it's about whether the creative team put enough effort and care into writing good stories and dialogue. People couldn't wait for Rings of Power but it was garbage, so they treated it like garbage. If you write it well, they will come.
The hobbit trilogy was garbage. The war of the rohirrim was garbage. The rings of power is garbage. And you all clap for the upcoming gabillion new Lotr things like it's the return of Christ. ... Jesus...
@@simonRTJ yeah, those are good points. I also think in the LOTR they just stuck to the source material (no duh) and let the story speak for itself, whereas with later productions they had to write the material themselves (including the painful expansion of the Hobbit). It’s no coincidence that when they had to do this, the quality went down dramatically. Tolkien is hard to replace.
@@Stephen64138 That's the point you are missing, we Tolkien fans never wanted RoP or War of the Rohirrim and the Hobbit should have been 1 long or two moderate films and no more. I'm not the least bit interested in a 'Hunt of Gollum' film or a Witch King trilogy of films either. They are not stories that need films but the Silmarillion might be, if written well.
@@Thurgosh_OG You already saw what the Silmarillion would have been with several scenes in the Rings of Power. '' Do you know why a ship float while a rock sink? Cause the rock look down... '' You would have 5 seasons of ... I mean you have 5 seasons of that. Jackson and his team cannot do anything but garbage. What do you all expect? That among the unending trend of garbage we suffer on a daily basis, they'll somehow manage to flip things over and produce pre 2000 stuff once again, with real mens, with real women, with traditionnal values, ethnically coherent and aiming to bring people together? ... Guys... Never. Ever. (Not until we _force_ them too. I mean)
I do not have faith in Hollyweird's current culture of writers. Very few decent, let alone praise worthy movies have come out. Studios mandating DEI inserts and woke writers who can only do self inserts leave me doubtful anything remotely approaching LotR can be achieved. Peter Jackson made a mess of the Hobbit and Boyens did a no name girl boss movie. Rings of Power was given to no names because JJ Abrahms recommended them and they spoke some elvish at their interview. I'll stick with reading the books or listening to audio dramas where I'm guaranteed adherence to the actual lore.
I think that it would be very wholesome if the trilogy began with Aragorn, as Viggo looks at his age now, telling the stories of his travels to his children or grandchildren. And maybe Merry and Pippin are having second breakfast nearby, listening in.
wouldn't that be epic? seeing Marry and Pippin, now old, on their last voyage to Gondor...visiting Aragorn one last time, remembering the past...i could live with that.
Bro how? The Angmar Wars of destruction lasted for more than 600 years in mid third age. Entirety of Eriador was systematically conquered and depopulated in a long period of time. How can you get a proper story out of it like the destruction of the ring?
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus not decades. 17 years. It’s not like 50 years or even 30 years. Also the story doesn’t jump into the future after that point onwards. Rise and Fall of Angmar and its wars against Arnor isn’t an event. It’s 20 percent of the third age. The quest to Mount Doom lasted for about a couple of months. Think about it this way: there are nine kings of Arthedain before Arvedui is beaten and dies in the Ice Bay of Forochel trying to escape. How will you explain them properly? Also many significant events happen during the rule of many different kings. It’s just too vast of an event.
The one I would want to see is the history of Khazad-Dum with a focus on Balin's mission to reclaim Moria for the dwarves. I think it's a great story and would bridge the time between The Hobbit and LOTR. It has the advantage of familiar characters and would fill in some history for those who just watch the movies.
That would be cool. A bit of post reclaiming of Erebor too briefly would be nice considering where he starts that journey from. Probably 1 movie though.
i want them to do films focusing on the First Age. I want to see the rise and fall of Gondolin, the magic of the Girdle of Melian, the epic romance of Beren and Luthien, heck even the tragedy of Turin. But most of all, I wanna see the War of Wrath and the Destruction of Belariand!
unfortunately I don't believe they own the rights to those, if I remember right all they have is The Lord of the Rings and Appendices, the Hobbit, and possibly Unfinished Tales
@@duncanthomson7894 so instead of spending more money buying the rights to the Silmarillion, they would just keep using the material they already have rights to? interesting, i guess that makes sense. but if they have Unfinished Tales, they could at least do Turin or Tuor (kinda). Admittedly, the Narn i Hîn Húrin stories are the least intriguing of the bunch (IMO, its def fine to disagree with that), and wouldn't be a super great choice for the silver screen without making massive changes for modern cinema audiences (which would be disappointing; ie Rings of Power). but man do i wanna see the War of Wrath. like, SO BAD!
@@AzothBLM I just read more into it, the Tolkien estate hasn't sold the screen rights of the Silmarillion to anybody, and it's unlikely that they will :(
God i would love seeing ian Mcellen as Gangalf again. It's so great seeing how attached to the character he is. Hearing how much he fell in love with playing Gandalf where he was first a non book reader, and is now a massive fan. The man knows good story when he discovere it
an epic saga set over the centuries of conflict during the fall of Arnor would be an amazing trilogy. We'd see so many key events that lead into the Lord of the Rings, not just the war itself and everything you mentioned but: the establishment of the Shire, the remnants of the Northern Dunedain becoming the Rangers of the North, the Fall of Minas Ithil at the very end of the movies, with the beginning of the Stewards of Gondor ruling after Earnur gives in to the Witch-king's taunts. It would a tragic but hopeful end, knowing a hobbit from the Shire and Aragorn's destinies
I think their best bet would be to do standalone silmarilian stories. Trying to condense the whole thing would be daunting if not impossible for a TV series, much less a film trilogy. It will never be as great as the OG trilogy was, but potential is there for good stories.
They said the same thing about the trilogy books until Peter jackson came along. I'm sure: Give him enough post production time, as long as he needs, money and passionate people as they had when they filmed LotR. If anyone can bring the Silmarillon on screen (and not just a bad fan ficiton) it's Peter Jackson.
If we ever see a Silmarillion adaptation (which I don’t expect we will) I wish it would be a tv series. Each story in The Silmarillion could be a season, or multiple seasons. For example Beren and Luthien would be 2-3 seasons. Same for Turin Turambar would be 2-3 seasons. Other stories would only need one season. It would give them more time to fit everything. And it should be live action.
@@samuraijack6057 I think that Hurin's Children 10-15 episodes. Beren Luthien 6-8 episodes, Feanor and departure from Valinor 6-8 episodes too. Tuor and his whole journey again 6-8 episodes, and other chapters 2-4 episodes.
@@lazerfrogstudios Christopher Tolkien has passed, and I read once that the next generation is more open to merching JRRT's works (mostly the Silmarillion as the major work, LotR and Hobbit were sold long ago), but until something is signed and announced, it's just speculation.
The problem I see with the Witch-King story is that there can be no happy - or even hopeful ending. Arnor and its cities fell long ago, and would not rise again until King Elessar (Aragorn) declared his intention to rebuild it after Sauron’s destruction. Telling the story of Arnor with a hopeful ending would involve bringing the storyline all the way to the Witch-King’s death by Eowyn’s hand during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and I’m not sure that could be done in a realistic manner. On the other hand, I could see the conflicts of the rest of Middle-Earth during the Lord of the Rings having some real potential. In spite of Boromir’s perspective, Gondor was not the be-all and end-all of the defense of Middle-Earth against Sauron, nor was the Fellowship. If not for many other people in many other places, the War of the Ring could have ended quite differently. Tolkien himself refers to this when he talks about King Dain and King Brand (the grandson of King Bard) defending Erebor. Even though we know Sauron will ultimately be destroyed, not knowing what would happen to all of these other pockets of resistance and their characters could add a lot of dramatic tension. I’d definitely love to see that!
I was skeptical, but the story of Angmar and Arnor would be amazing to see, as long as the creative team is allowed to do their process without the studio manipulating the project. But honestly, studios almost never learn their lesson. These films can't just be about war - they have to have a purpose and character.
I do remember, and another one, Born of Hope. There are so many stories to tell and Tolkien himself hoped people would do just that, as I recall. Now if only they will do these things well!
How about just making a screen adaptation of a story that Tolkien wrote without making "creative differences," inserting their own ideologies, and changing some of the established lore that is clearly given. If they would just do THAT, then any movie they make would be a blockbuster hit
@@blazervol3357right?! Middle earth is still popular for a reason. Just follow the books and stop this fan fiction crap. They think they can improve on perfection.
@@blazervol3357 well, inserting ideologies is one thing, but making creative differences is essential to adapting Tolkien’s work into a movie/show format.
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb I personally think the new movies won’t be rushed out. War of the Rohirrim had to be rushed out in order for them to keep the rights to future movies. That’s not gonna be the case with Hunt For Gollum
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb you can have creative differences that are still pretty accurate to the books. But when they start to really deviate from the source material and become their own thing is when it becomes problematic. If the movies are animated, then there isn't any reason why they would have to deviate from the source material
Another storyline they could turn into a movie is Aragorn's younger days when he was in South Gondor and Umbar, in a fight for the city of Corsairs. The movie would start with Viggo as Aragorn telling his son a story. That way they can introduce a new actor as a younger, swash-buckling Aragorn who hasn't learned his lessons yet. And toss in some Black Numenoreans to tie LOTR to Numenor, then tales of Numenor which would be a whole other series.
Doesn't work. Aragorn was already an adult man of experience, and also very wise and mature by that time. Don't forget he's a dunedain whose adopted father is Elrond.
I’d actually love to see a trilogy centering on the House of Finwe and his sons, especially Feanor and the scheming of Morgoth/Melkor which led to the Noldor’s bloody return to Middle-Earth, the theft of the Silmarils, and the curse laid upon the House of Feanor. There’s a lot of story to be told here, and it could easily be broken into a trilogy of films with one apiece dedicated to Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin. It would need to end with the latter, since he alone is still alive (presumably) and still serves as High King of the Noldor elves across the sea. But on the whole, it’s as dramatic and action-packed a tale as the LotR books, and it would make for some spectacular scenes and sequences. It also provides quite a bit of history that ties in with the Rings of Power series, and fleshes out Middle-Earth as a whole.
True. But the problem is, the writing that Tolkien did about the House of Finwë is relatively small. It is written in the way that Celtic and Norse sagas were written. The Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit, were written as novels, with deep character development and description of the 'feel" of everything -- that is the reason why they are so enthralling, and the reason why we go to the Silmarillion and the Tales, and crave for more. The sheer size of Lord of the Rings somewhat prevented the screenwriters from departing too much from the original material, and called for a respectful director, which Jackson was. Now, the saga of the House of Finwë, or any other story from the Silmarillion and Tales, to be made into a film would need the screenwriters to do actual creative work. And you have seen what happens when they do, when they do not have their hands tied and restrained: you have seen Rings of Power. Be it for the appeal of shock (like in Song of Ice and Fire, where they actually bought the writing soul of Martin out with money to transform the books into violence-porn), or for injecting the least subtle popular ideology du jour (like the pitiful RoP), the entertainment industry will chew up even the best stories and vomit them out into pigswill that they suppose will appeal to the brainless masses. Give them a story that needs to be fleshed up to become a film, and they will produce some utter monstrosity. I wish there could be good films made out of some of the immense quantity of interconnected themes and stories that Tolkien created. But it cannot be done properly without respect. And I have very little hope that that respect can be found.
Viggo is the GOAT and most of the actors were extremely well cast and cannot imagine anyone else doing them credit however I am worried about bringing back the aged cast to reprise their roles as their younger versions of the characters
Yes, I would love to see more stories. However, Peter obviously loved his huge big long battle scenes, which took up about half the movie. Battle scenes are somewhat boring for women, we want to see a true plot and a good story line, not just fights. We'd like a lot more humor that women would find funny too. It will be really interesting to see what Andy does with this.
I'm from Brazil, and this week (from monday to wednesday) Cinemark movie theaters replayed the trilogy exctended director's cut.. I can't explain how good of a feeling it was to watch them on the cinema, I was a kid when they released, only watched the Two Towers (I was 8).. There was a big applause at the end of The Return of the King.. Man, I feel blessed by Galadriel right now!!
I think that a new trilogy could be cool as long as none of the people that were a part of the rings of power are allowed to be on the development team
Lets be honest, I dont think ANYONE would care how old the originals are should they come back. We just want to see the OGs back in the world we all so love
OMG, so exciting! YES to a new trilogy!! THE WARS OF THE WITCH-KING would be absolutely incredible! I’d love to see a deep dive into his rise to power and the epic battles that shaped Middle-earth. They could also do a separate set of movies focusing on the wars and how Middle-earth resisted before the fall of Sauron-not as a trilogy, but as complementary films to the original. Imagine the untold stories, the tension, and the sheer scale of those battles brought to life! THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN! I LOVE Sir Ian McKellen!!! ♥
I hope they don't overdo The Hunt for Gollum. It should be an adventure/survival style film, not something that turns into a giant battle. As for the trilogy, I think the Arnor-Angmar story would work much better than the Alternate War of the Ring Locations, as there is more to it than just endless fighting. The Battle of Five Armies was the worst of the Jackson's six films for this reason.
I agree, this giant battle stuff is wearisome. The two sieges in the original trilogy were interesting, because we kept focusing in on small groups of people (as the books do, you know, having been written by a guy who was in a terrible war, not two Bogan housewives), but seeing one hundred thousand cgi creatures have at it just leaves me stone cold.
That battle in the Hobbit was an atrocity... not just in terms of military accuracy (elves jumping over a shieldwall) but because it devolved into the main characters climbing a mountain to engage in single combat. Just utter stupidity.
@@uvicjames Elves supposed to be super light and can jump, i dont see the problem, and Thorin took his 2 best warriors with him to kill Azog the defiler , cause all the drarves (not many at that point) were trying to fight the battle! He couldnt take many with him
For any subsequent Middle-Earth "trilogy" to be successful, it would need to be filled with unexpected magical elements, not just political intrigue and battles. It should have a story of innocent discovery interwoven, with a goal that succeeds against unexpected odds. Pacing is important, don't rush into the action sequences, include a lot of personal space that the audience can relate to.
They better just not do it at all. I don’t want Tolkien to be milked. It’s sacred and no other movie will ever be made which gets close to the first trilogy.
The LOTR trilogy was unique and everyone should simply accept that. Including the 3 creators. It was a once in a lifetime piece. Transforming Middle Earth into a cash cow is disrespectful.
This worries me. I just saw War of the Rohirrim, and while it was better than I thought it would be, I thought it was no more than okay. I don't think Hunt for Gollum will ever be that interesting no matter what, because it's just not a compelling tale, but the stories you're thinking might be adapted are ones I *want* to see done well, unfortunately, and I fear they won't be
I pretty much agree not to disrespect Andy but I am also not very thrilled to see 4 hours of detective dungeon crawler, and then there are expectations set so incredibly high as it has some connection to the main movies, replacing and finding new actors will be very tough task no matter which story will be chosen, for it will be heavily compared to the original.
The Trailers let me do you think it will suck so I’m gonna try to see it after seeing your comment. I hope the movie is better than the trailers make it look
Agree with both of your points, the tale of hunt for gollum is as compelling to me as the other tales of middle earth. And I also didn't like war of the Rohirrim, it was too girlbossy and woke for me to like
@@farahahmed8201 she wasn't the worst of the "girlboss" archetype IMO, but I do wish it had been more about Helm the Hammerhand, and I also don't think the writing was very good.
Love the idea of a trilogy about The Witch King of Angmar, Arnor and Fornost. These films are all set in the ‘past’, so I believe they should be recast. So the new faces can become the new fan favourites for the next generation. Don’t get me wrong the casting was perfect for LOTRs, but this can be done again.
Nope. Not now. We need to let the current generation of writers leave the field. They have way too much "main character syndrome" and doesn't know a good story or decent dialogue if it bit them in their stupid arse.
Being a humongous fan of The One Ring 1st Edition RPG, I would love to see more about the Northern Kingdoms in Rhovanion and how they fare against Sauron's forces, thoughthese would also need to be tied into the defense of Lothlorien. I would certainly love to see that action.
@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 lol, bet u loved the rings of power......have you no shame? Tolkien would NOT have wanted this, does that matter to you? Get off the couch, go live life
Oh we absolutely want LoTR content, there is definitely a huge fan base wanting more content, the problem is them if they decide to pull weird stuff again and massively deviate from the source material trying to appeal a fanbase that doesn't really exist. The original 3 were a master piece, don't need to invent the wheel again, go for the same public, make minimal changes to the main story just like with the original 3, and we'll love it, even if lots of CGI are used to reduce production time.
Star Wars fand wanted more content, too. We got the Acolyte and the Sequels and a bunch of other weird, self-insert Alphabet mob agenda narrative, not anything close to George Lucas vision or lore. So yeah, good luck thinking they'll stay with source material. Look at what's already been made. Rings of Power and Rohirrim ..Girl-Power, Girl Boss! What could go wrong?!
The only ethnicities Tolkien described in middle-earth were Scandinavian / northern European, Mediterranean, Mongolian looking (rhun), and Arab looking (Harad / Southrons). It's patronising to suggest that people need to see a "reflection of themselves" on screen in order to enjoy a movie. All it does is remind us we're watching a modern film and pulls us out of the submersion, as well as not making sense in terms of world-building.
Why do more Movies ? The trilogy is finished, Story is told literaly no Point in doing more Movies other them making more Money (which is what Happens Right here)
They couldn't because Christopher Tolkien wouldn't sign over the rights to them and for good reason. Examples of that being ROP and now War of the Rohirrim. Both take a huge shat on his Father's lifelong work by writers trying to input their own ideologies into Tolkien's work.
That is a lot of content and story to cover and write for. But out of anything that is what I'd want to see done most if done properly. War of Wrath would be incredible to see on film.
I can't really see the Silmarillion happening as a movie. It would be like trying to make a movie out of a western history textbook. Better to focus on one of the many stories in the text. Beren and Luthien would be worthy of a movie if they actually did it well.
Turning those two pages about the hunt for Gollum in the book into ONE movie would even be a stretch, but making it TWO movies is just insane. Super-sceptic! Nothing Tolkien-related gets good when it's dragged out. Nothing has ever come close to the masterpiece of the LOTR-trilogy, where they instead had to trim the story down. All dragging-stuff-out into more releases to make more money always results in reduced quality and negatively effects all good that came before. The more they make, the less special each release feels. Just look at how Disney destroyed Star Wars. Less is often more. If we are shown everything and more that takes away the mysticism and wonder, which is a huge part of what makes it great. Recasting people breaks the illusion of the world feeling real, but so does casting the same actor looking much older in a time where he should look younger or the same.
Philippa Boyens has confirmed that The Hunt for Gollum is definitely one movie. The confusion arose because they signed on to create two new live-action films.
After War of the Rohirrim you'll forgive me if jumping for joy at this news. I can give you the plot right now. Aragorn leads a band of Rangers hunting for Gollum, one of them is female, she's the boss and tells every incompetent man what to do then single handedly finds Gollum herself. The End. At best it'll be another Hobbit situation because this is not a trilogy's worth of lore. If this is a trilogy then they should still be making LoTR movies to this day. Either way I have zero faith in this project. Hollywood is simply not in the same place it was 20 years ago.
I’m pretty sure almost nobody (from the fandom) is quite sold on this yet. I’ll personally just wait for the trailer and look out for any… suspicious activity present within it… and then decide wether I’ll spend my hard earned money on it or not, and I think most would agree with me on that point. If I knew they were going to be tackling this with the same amount of passion and (most importantly) *_RESPECT FOR TOLKIENS WORK,_* that they had with the original trilogy (despite some acceptable deviations), I could just buy blindly and not let myself get spoiled of any scenes by a potentially spoilerous trailer.
YES, YES, YES!! PLEASE MAKE SOME TRILOGIES! I LOVE ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. I HAVE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE ONE MADE PLUS ALL THE HOBBITS. YOU HAVE THE FAN BASE SO PLEASE MAKE SOME MORE. IF YOU HAVE TO RECAST ACTORS THAT DON'T WANT TO BE IN THEM, THEN FIND REPLACEMENTS THAT LOOK CLOSE TO THE OTHER ACTORS. ❤❤❤
making a prequel with the original cast thats all like 70 years old is crazy. i would love it more than anyone but noooooo, that doesnt make any sense and would look ridiculous on screen. make a sequel if anything that way they can be aged appropriately 😭😭😭🙏🙏
From what I've seen about the War of the Rohirrim, I am not very optimistic about the Hunt for Gollum or any future Middle Earth series or movies. PJ struck gold with LOTR, copper with the Hobbit, and ROP is straight coal. I would rather forget that everything but the original LOTR trilogy exists.
Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Matrix, Robocop, Total Recall and a long etc have all come back "adapted for modern audiences" and they all sucked. Why would this be any different? Also, there is no book for reference, it won´t be filmed in location (it won´t even have film, it´ll be digital), no actual humans with makeup and armor (it will have CGI orcs), it will have silly romances (everything will be fill up with Hollywood cliches)... We know what happened with the Hobbit (thank Maple for their edit) and later with Rings of Power... What we had in the early 2000 was beautiful and a treasure, I´ll just keep the memory from then.
I know this probably wont happen because of the Amazon show. But imagine if they did their own Second Age Trilogy. Eregion, the forging of the rings, Numenor. It could be so fucking good. The other main thing i would love to see is the War in the North during the Third age. None of the LOTR characters are involved so you dont have the actor issue. But it will be cool to see Erebor and Dale again etc. The battles in Mirkwood/Dul Guldur and Lothlorian would be really cool to see. They could have a scene of explaining why Galadriel send Haldir and his soldiers to Helms Deep. Have Galadriel look into her mirror right before their own battle and see the future of Helms Deep if they dont come and help them. So she sends a small army of Elves to Rohan right before fighting their own battles.
I would like to see the Tale of Beren and Luthien told as a trilogy. The story could include the return of the Elves to Middle Earth and the wars between the sons of Feanor and Morgoth as well as the struggle of the Edain to survive and the downfall of Thingol's kingdom. Id also like to see the Tale of Turin Turumba told in full
I been wanting they make at least two prequels about isildur aragon father, grandfather and who was aragon elvish mother leading up to the great alliance war against saron...lol i always wanted to see more of the intro scene of the fellowship when the great war starts.....
I'm hoping it's for a modern audience. I'd like to see myself and Sauron in a love triangle with Galadriel or maybe with the Witch King if that floats your boat 🏳🌈
I don’t think age is going to be too much of an issue, after all practical makeup could be used in tandem with it so it’s not jarring, if they can’t use practical makeup in its entirety for it. After all, Lon Chaney had used makeup to make himself look younger in some of his films. What I’m interested in seeing with future LotR films is giving Glorfindel proper screen time and actually give him some lines. Also, a while ago John Rhy-Davies did speak about returning to LotR. He said he will only return to ‘The Lord of the Rings’ franchise if he was allowed to drop the prosthetics and instead use CGI to get into character, which was first utilized for Andy Serkis (Gollum). In an interview with Collider, he said: “Well, I’m known to not want to put that prosthetic on again, but out of deference to Andy, whom I love and admire and again who has grown so much, if they invited me … oh God could I dare to put on that make-up again and lose my skin? Maybe with CGI."
So, it looks like LOTR is going the way of the Star Wars franchise: Endless, fan-fictionesque spin offs, cha ching cha ching cha ching, until there is no mystique or mystery left, no questions left unanswered, and the whole thing is so run into the ground that even the fans see it as a joke. Grand. J.R.R. Tolkien would be so proud.
I think the Silmarillion offers many beautiful stories that don't have to fall back on the Ring trilogy, and in which new and good actors can make a name for themselves: Hurin, the fall of Gondolin, Luthien and Beren......
The story of Arnor is intriguing as it also covers the arrival of the Hobbits. I feel one area especially has gone unnoticed in the Shire, is the North Downs on the southern shores of Lake Evindum. Where it could be possible to bring a bit more elvish fairness of feature into the northern downs Hobbits and possibly even the emergence of a Hobbit Wizard
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What stories would you like to see in future Lord of the Rings movies and trilogies? Let us know! 📽
I would like to see how Legolas met strider. Or about the woodland elves.
They shouldn't make any new random stories about lotr. As cool as it is, they cant bring back all the original actors and theses extra stories might draw away attention from the real thing. The hunt for gollum movie looks cool though. Just don't turn the greatest movie/book trilogy of all time into an anime!!
Maaaany :)
Beren and Luthien? Fall of Numenor? Children of Hurin? Silmarillion is a huge chest full of stories.
Maybe sth. about the great alliance and first war with Sauron?
Northern kingdoms also look fine.
"The fall of Numenor" is one story I'd really like to see on screen! As much as I love Andy Serkis's work, a spin-off film about Gollum is not really necessary in my opinion...
I would very much like to see a movie about Melkor/Morgoth..
The 2000's trilogy has no remake
The 2000's trilogy needs no remake
damn it's almost like they're not remaking it
bro ikr the only outcomes are that its either passable but unwanted or just its really bad and is an insult to tolkiens books.
@@sandramusic4574 well they probably will after those potential ones are used up they star warzin this up
@@sandramusic4574 seriously its like they didn't listen to the video at all.
After they ruined The Hobbit and tried to make it a comedy, the bs CGI for Orcs.....F**K This SH*"
Viggo is older now than Sir Ian was when he first played Gandalf
Wow
no way.
That is why i think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor. The last movie wasnt epic like og trilogy, but i enjoyed it. You could see how people involved were passioned with the world. Heck even the Silmarillion would work as a series with that format.
@@gordusmaximus4990 I hate anime, personal taste. But many have the same, unless "real" movies.
@@DutchGuyMike i get it if you dont like Anime. But the way this movie was made, its strange people saying that, when there was no "weird" Anime shit. No diference from this or lotr animated shows before the OG movies. Just the style. I find that strange. Heck, im not going even to start how some "Tolkien never thought his work being animated by eastern asian animation" which is such a dumb argument. But i get it dont like it, but now shitting on it just because its "Anime" when alot of people go watch Pixar or animated Disney movies and this was very nice looking. Its strange to me.
Id rather see a silmarillion trilogy with a whole new cast. Morgoth's story would make a great movie
Yes, the original bad guy with the original spider. Couldn't take the kids to see THAT one. Nooo.... Love it! 👍
It would be on power levels well beyond the later stories by far. Talking about fighting of the gods literally.
Agreed
Honestly, if they did a remake of "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy, I would be highly ticked off, because no one in their right mind should mess with something that was and remains perfect. I can never imagine anyone else playing any of characters that were in the original "LotR"...It was cast perfectly.
You'll never get that. The Tolkien Estate has been adamant that the Sil will never be made into film.
For the love of God, let nobody from Amazon touch it.
I like how you said “some of the actors are now decades older”… I’m pretty sure they’re all decades older.
Except frodo
Nah, some are fucking dead
Keep Amazon and Disney far away from this project and I would be willing to give it a chance.
You don't like the woke casting? 😜
Agreed! Otherwise we will see Trans Orcs, pink hair colored Trolls and who knows what other ludicrous ideas.
agreed they are going to fuck it up so bad so just know that so lets hope so
All the makers need to do is follow Tolkien's text, he provides for dark skinned and light skinned peoples. They ignore Tolkien's writings at their own risk.
no one cares
The Rise Of Angmar and Fall Of Arnor would be an incredible trilogy. The story is immersive and The Witch King really shines in the story he is my all time favorite Tolkien Villain. Serkis could also return as the Voice Of The Witch King.
It's been done in a well received video game.
The hell you need a new rings of power tv show about it?
With the witch king being depicted as a evil white guy and brave diverse women opposing him and his racist plan to conquer Arnor?
Cause that's exactly what you would get.
@@Stephen64138we will see Agmar get struck by a dward ladyboy.
It will be awfully epic. 😶
Are your for real?? The woman stabbed him in his face? What is there more to tell?? Oh wait proly you never touched a woman😂
The Witch King was one of the greatest of the Nazgul. To my mind, he is the single most pivotal character in the whole story. Without the Witch King, Sauron would not have had a Darth Vader type to marshal his forces in the field. Can you imagine a story about the man who who wrestled with his ring before he broke and bent knee to Sauron, only to rise as his chief lieutenant in the tragic end? Come to think of it, I would really enjoy seeing a trilogy devoted to the life and fall of each of the wraiths, personally.
Or maybe a trilogy about the journey of the Blue Wizards.
@@Nefylym The single most pivotal character in the lord of the rings is The Lord of the rings.
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Bro.
Faramir said " I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend." I'm a rabid Lord of the Rings fan and have been for many many decades, but of the books. I love the books, and like Christopher Lee, re-read them almost every year. And I like the films VERY much and will watch them every chance I get. But these proposed films seem like war movies. Battle movies. That quote from Faramir was really Tolkien himself speaking because those were his feelings. There's nothing I'd like more than "more Middle Earth." Middle earth has been a part of my life and my consciousness my entire life. But please, stay loyal to Tolkien's vision. Don't make war stories the central theme. Have them support a story, don't make them BE the story. Because that's NOT "Tolkien."
Amen.
This was perfectly said. Filmmakers take note, please.
That quote was what really made Faramir one of my favorite characters.
@@TheHammerofDissidence mine too and I wasn’t happy with what Jackson did with him in the films… and not sure why he did it. Tolkien didn’t have Faramir tempted by the ring. So yeah, the films were good. But they weren’t the books, which were-are- great.
You're soo right, charlz! Being a fan since the teenager days, reading the LOTR & the Hobbit, and loved it ever since, to bits.
The audience demands quality writing, dialogue and acting without Hollywood’s insufferable messaging. If it’s garbage they produce it’ll go untouched. Make a timeless classic and the audience will ensure that it lives forever.
Not optimistic. Hollywood has the Reverse Midas touch... everything they touch turns to shit.
Wow, what incredible insight.
“Make it good or people won’t like it.”
What a brilliant mind.
Cause you know Hollywoods goal is to make garbage movies that lose money. I bet they never even considered making good movies.
The best they can do is blackwash half the population and hire dei activists to bring us more rings of power quality shit.
Oh yes very good point. No DEI & gendered characters nonsense stuff.
For us that have read the book there’s a lot more detail that could if done well really be as good as the last one.
The Hollywood of today has actually managed to get me to a point where I do not get hyped anymore, and this video has made that awfully clear to me.
Obviously, the original Lord of the Rings trilogy is among the best that was ever put to screen - a perfect adaptation, free of any modern-day influence or bias, as well as the perfect blend of amazing sets, practical effects and CG, and Peter Jackson deserves to be forever praised for tackling the books that way. He displayed a rare feat of absolute integrity and understanding when he decided that the trilogy wasn't a vehicle for his own political views or his artistic and creative freedom as a writer, and that it should be told the way Tolkien already told it.
And yet, on the one hand we have a beloved franchise that hasn't seen a single similarly great release since the original trilogy, that manages to disappoint and get worse with each subsequent release - and not just Rings of Power, as this video shows the logo for the pathetic War of the Rohirrim every time Philippa Boyens is mentioned (who also brought us "bangers" like Mortal Engines and The Lovely Bones, btw.) - and on the other hand we have seen, time after time, that a creator of a beloved franchise coming back to it after decades doesn't guarantee anything great or even just good. Ridley Scott, the genius who brought us the first two Alien movies, has not only recently killed that franchise and kicked its corpse down the road ever since Prometheus, he was also an executive producer on Gladiator and recently gave us a sequel to that great movie that nobody asked for and I wish had never been made - an uninspired rehash of the original but without any of the care and internal consistency that went into it. We've also seen it with Peter Jackson himself, when he showed us with his Hobbit trilogy that he, apparently, didn't have another LotR in him. Of course, there's also James Cameron who, much like Ridley Scott with Alien and Aliens, had managed to follow up a banger movie - the Terminator - with a sequel that was just as good if not even better, and then went and mutilated his own legacy with a deluge of new movies that do everything to "let the past die - kill it if you must".
Your pitches for potential trilogies both sound promising, and you did a stellar job with the artwork you chose to visualize the scenes, but no, I'm not hyped or even cautiously optimistic for yet another attempt by modern Hollywood to cash in on the fans' nostalgia for a truly great (set of) movie(s) from a time where good movies were still a somewhat normal thing. If this new Gollum movie (that I don't consider "necessary" in the first place) turns out good - great. But if it's utter shite, I won't be even a little bit surprised. Good on Viggo, if he actually does keep away from the project because of a bad script.
It actually makes me afraid lol
Absolutely agree
The Peter Jackson movies are not perfect. They don't have the scouring of the shire and they change too much of the original story for cheap narrative effects that result in plot holes. The characters of Denethor and Faramir are also crude and one dimensional in the movies and very far from being faithful to the story.
Aliens (Alien 2) is James Cameron's film. Ridley Scott made only the first installment. I almost agree with you. But the part when Orlando Bloom slides in a board from stairs or jumps back on on a horse in some reverse time trick-what was that!? What a total b$ was the part in Moria, where they were balancing the few yausend ton stone wall? The ending was also changed, arguable to better suit medium requirements. But it is the best it could possibly be at this (late) time, even better 😀
It's not about whether fans have an appetite for this material, it's about whether the creative team put enough effort and care into writing good stories and dialogue. People couldn't wait for Rings of Power but it was garbage, so they treated it like garbage. If you write it well, they will come.
The hobbit trilogy was garbage.
The war of the rohirrim was garbage.
The rings of power is garbage.
And you all clap for the upcoming gabillion new Lotr things like it's the return of Christ. ... Jesus...
@@Stephen64138who's clapping? I'm not.
@@simonRTJ yeah, those are good points. I also think in the LOTR they just stuck to the source material (no duh) and let the story speak for itself, whereas with later productions they had to write the material themselves (including the painful expansion of the Hobbit). It’s no coincidence that when they had to do this, the quality went down dramatically. Tolkien is hard to replace.
@@Stephen64138 That's the point you are missing, we Tolkien fans never wanted RoP or War of the Rohirrim and the Hobbit should have been 1 long or two moderate films and no more. I'm not the least bit interested in a 'Hunt of Gollum' film or a Witch King trilogy of films either. They are not stories that need films but the Silmarillion might be, if written well.
@@Thurgosh_OG You already saw what the Silmarillion would have been with several scenes in the Rings of Power.
'' Do you know why a ship float while a rock sink? Cause the rock look down... ''
You would have 5 seasons of ...
I mean you have 5 seasons of that.
Jackson and his team cannot do anything but garbage. What do you all expect? That among the unending trend of garbage we suffer on a daily basis, they'll somehow manage to flip things over and produce pre 2000 stuff once again, with real mens, with real women, with traditionnal values, ethnically coherent and aiming to bring people together?
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Guys... Never. Ever.
(Not until we _force_ them too. I mean)
It all boils down to how talented the scriptwriters are. Is it possible to create a very good movie? Yes.
And please for the love of God do not overuse cgi... we want real actors and effects 😂
I do not have faith in Hollyweird's current culture of writers. Very few decent, let alone praise worthy movies have come out. Studios mandating DEI inserts and woke writers who can only do self inserts leave me doubtful anything remotely approaching LotR can be achieved. Peter Jackson made a mess of the Hobbit and Boyens did a no name girl boss movie. Rings of Power was given to no names because JJ Abrahms recommended them and they spoke some elvish at their interview. I'll stick with reading the books or listening to audio dramas where I'm guaranteed adherence to the actual lore.
@@arthurpendragon3000exactly.
Well, they've spent the last 21 years proving that they can't.
it wont happen in this day and age. they will ruin it with dei
If Viggo Mortensen would play Aragorn it would be the real Return of the King
omg lol true
I would lose it if it happened. Give the age of some of the actors it could well be their very last dance in the Middle Earth.
I have seen the indie Hunt for Gollum. It was not half bad, but it was missing the team. LOTR without the team may not capture the same essence.
I think he is too old. I think the last movie format (Anime) would be better for future movies, specially with the OG cast. Vigo could be voice actor.
@gordusmaximus4990 lord of the rings and anime don't mix. At least, 'og' lord of the rings, like the trilogy
I think that it would be very wholesome if the trilogy began with Aragorn, as Viggo looks at his age now, telling the stories of his travels to his children or grandchildren. And maybe Merry and Pippin are having second breakfast nearby, listening in.
wouldn't that be epic? seeing Marry and Pippin, now old, on their last voyage to Gondor...visiting Aragorn one last time, remembering the past...i could live with that.
i'm SO glad that these key staff members are coming back to make this film. promises ALOT of potential with this movie!
A rise of Angmar trilogy would go so hard 🔥
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Bro how? The Angmar Wars of destruction lasted for more than 600 years in mid third age. Entirety of Eriador was systematically conquered and depopulated in a long period of time. How can you get a proper story out of it like the destruction of the ring?
A trilogy? Idk man. A 5 season 10 episode series maybe but yes anything on the Rise of Angmar would be awesome
@@muratbayraktar5035 Decades pasted between Bilbo leaving for Rivendell and Gandalf returning to warn Frodo about the Nazgul
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus not decades. 17 years. It’s not like 50 years or even 30 years. Also the story doesn’t jump into the future after that point onwards. Rise and Fall of Angmar and its wars against Arnor isn’t an event. It’s 20 percent of the third age. The quest to Mount Doom lasted for about a couple of months. Think about it this way: there are nine kings of Arthedain before Arvedui is beaten and dies in the Ice Bay of Forochel trying to escape. How will you explain them properly? Also many significant events happen during the rule of many different kings. It’s just too vast of an event.
Can't help but be both excited and worried for The Hunt for Gollum
10% excited 90% worried
@@arthurshelby3125 Nothing to be worried or excited about, its going to blow.
i'm extremely excited, only a little worried. it's already looking very very good
Very true!
woke cancer incoming
Trans aragorn :DDd
The one I would want to see is the history of Khazad-Dum with a focus on Balin's mission to reclaim Moria for the dwarves. I think it's a great story and would bridge the time between The Hobbit and LOTR. It has the advantage of familiar characters and would fill in some history for those who just watch the movies.
I’d love to see that!
Oh hell yeah
A book version of battle of azanulbizalr would be epic as well
Yeah… bring them back so we can watch them die… no thank you 😅
That would be cool. A bit of post reclaiming of Erebor too briefly would be nice considering where he starts that journey from. Probably 1 movie though.
I think everyone is more than a little leary at this point about the ability of Hollywood to not ruin everything it touches now.
Hope it is made with same Love and Devotion as first one, amazing amazing movies, a special place in ones Heart during that time, how Lucky to see, 😊
i want them to do films focusing on the First Age. I want to see the rise and fall of Gondolin, the magic of the Girdle of Melian, the epic romance of Beren and Luthien, heck even the tragedy of Turin.
But most of all, I wanna see the War of Wrath and the Destruction of Belariand!
unfortunately I don't believe they own the rights to those, if I remember right all they have is The Lord of the Rings and Appendices, the Hobbit, and possibly Unfinished Tales
@@duncanthomson7894 so instead of spending more money buying the rights to the Silmarillion, they would just keep using the material they already have rights to? interesting, i guess that makes sense. but if they have Unfinished Tales, they could at least do Turin or Tuor (kinda). Admittedly, the Narn i Hîn Húrin stories are the least intriguing of the bunch (IMO, its def fine to disagree with that), and wouldn't be a super great choice for the silver screen without making massive changes for modern cinema audiences (which would be disappointing; ie Rings of Power).
but man do i wanna see the War of Wrath. like, SO BAD!
@@AzothBLM I just read more into it, the Tolkien estate hasn't sold the screen rights of the Silmarillion to anybody, and it's unlikely that they will :(
Whatever content they produce I just want it to be lore accurate as possible. I would love to see ANY LOTR story that a studio would care to produce.
@@rick_coplover92 agreed! as long as its LORE ACCURATE ill take whatever they give! (again rip rings of power)
I will say, IMO all the actors in the Peter Jackson films were AWESOME. Top notch.
I feel the actor playing a carrot eating guy in Bree had a lot to do with my enjoyment of the film.
@@DeltaNovum Carrot Guy really set the scene
@@DeltaNovum The little girl being scared from Bilbo's story. epic stuff
Agreed, and are too old to play the same characters 20 years later - especially characters that don't age.
The most important thing is that it is created in the style of the first trilogy.
I'll take things that will never happen for 400.
*In the style of Tolkein
IE no muslim female of color sitting on a wheel chair wearing hijab playing Aragorna, the lesbian Kween of Gondor.
You and I both know there will be blaq hobbits..
I would like to see Feanor and Morgoth in a movie, or Beren & Luthien. Also the fall of Gondolin would be epic.
An Angmar vs Arnor trilogy would be so dark it would make House of the Dragon look like Narnia.
God i would love seeing ian Mcellen as Gangalf again. It's so great seeing how attached to the character he is. Hearing how much he fell in love with playing Gandalf where he was first a non book reader, and is now a massive fan. The man knows good story when he discovere it
an epic saga set over the centuries of conflict during the fall of Arnor would be an amazing trilogy. We'd see so many key events that lead into the Lord of the Rings, not just the war itself and everything you mentioned but: the establishment of the Shire, the remnants of the Northern Dunedain becoming the Rangers of the North, the Fall of Minas Ithil at the very end of the movies, with the beginning of the Stewards of Gondor ruling after Earnur gives in to the Witch-king's taunts. It would a tragic but hopeful end, knowing a hobbit from the Shire and Aragorn's destinies
I think their best bet would be to do standalone silmarilian stories. Trying to condense the whole thing would be daunting if not impossible for a TV series, much less a film trilogy. It will never be as great as the OG trilogy was, but potential is there for good stories.
They don’t have the rights to the silmarillion though.
They said the same thing about the trilogy books until Peter jackson came along. I'm sure: Give him enough post production time, as long as he needs, money and passionate people as they had when they filmed LotR. If anyone can bring the Silmarillon on screen (and not just a bad fan ficiton) it's Peter Jackson.
If we ever see a Silmarillion adaptation (which I don’t expect we will) I wish it would be a tv series. Each story in The Silmarillion could be a season, or multiple seasons. For example Beren and Luthien would be 2-3 seasons. Same for Turin Turambar would be 2-3 seasons. Other stories would only need one season. It would give them more time to fit everything. And it should be live action.
@@samuraijack6057 I think that Hurin's Children 10-15 episodes. Beren Luthien 6-8 episodes, Feanor and departure from Valinor 6-8 episodes too. Tuor and his whole journey again 6-8 episodes, and other chapters 2-4 episodes.
@@lazerfrogstudios Christopher Tolkien has passed, and I read once that the next generation is more open to merching JRRT's works (mostly the Silmarillion as the major work, LotR and Hobbit were sold long ago), but until something is signed and announced, it's just speculation.
The problem I see with the Witch-King story is that there can be no happy - or even hopeful ending. Arnor and its cities fell long ago, and would not rise again until King Elessar (Aragorn) declared his intention to rebuild it after Sauron’s destruction. Telling the story of Arnor with a hopeful ending would involve bringing the storyline all the way to the Witch-King’s death by Eowyn’s hand during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and I’m not sure that could be done in a realistic manner.
On the other hand, I could see the conflicts of the rest of Middle-Earth during the Lord of the Rings having some real potential. In spite of Boromir’s perspective, Gondor was not the be-all and end-all of the defense of Middle-Earth against Sauron, nor was the Fellowship. If not for many other people in many other places, the War of the Ring could have ended quite differently. Tolkien himself refers to this when he talks about King Dain and King Brand (the grandson of King Bard) defending Erebor. Even though we know Sauron will ultimately be destroyed, not knowing what would happen to all of these other pockets of resistance and their characters could add a lot of dramatic tension. I’d definitely love to see that!
I was skeptical, but the story of Angmar and Arnor would be amazing to see, as long as the creative team is allowed to do their process without the studio manipulating the project. But honestly, studios almost never learn their lesson. These films can't just be about war - they have to have a purpose and character.
Anyone remember the “Hunt for Gollum” fan film? ❤
I watched it it was pretty solid
Oh yes, was a good one ❤
It was good
I liked it! I hope that PJ'S film is as good....
I do remember, and another one, Born of Hope. There are so many stories to tell and Tolkien himself hoped people would do just that, as I recall. Now if only they will do these things well!
I hope they take the criticisms from war of the rohirrim and apply them here.
1. Don’t rush the project.
2. Allow the writers to polish dialogue.
How about just making a screen adaptation of a story that Tolkien wrote without making "creative differences," inserting their own ideologies, and changing some of the established lore that is clearly given. If they would just do THAT, then any movie they make would be a blockbuster hit
@@blazervol3357right?! Middle earth is still popular for a reason. Just follow the books and stop this fan fiction crap. They think they can improve on perfection.
@@blazervol3357 well, inserting ideologies is one thing, but making creative differences is essential to adapting Tolkien’s work into a movie/show format.
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb I personally think the new movies won’t be rushed out. War of the Rohirrim had to be rushed out in order for them to keep the rights to future movies. That’s not gonna be the case with Hunt For Gollum
@LifeEnjoyer-jo6yb you can have creative differences that are still pretty accurate to the books. But when they start to really deviate from the source material and become their own thing is when it becomes problematic. If the movies are animated, then there isn't any reason why they would have to deviate from the source material
The lord of the rings trilogy is one of the best things that ever happened to cinema and no bad tv shows and follow up movies can destroy it. :D
Agreed. Better they try than not at all. Can always fall back on the originals.
I cant watch the trilogy without getting angry about how they massacred it in Rings of Poop...
I would love to see that story of Arnor
If Peter, Philippa and Walsh are in charge i'm all in.
Another storyline they could turn into a movie is Aragorn's younger days when he was in South Gondor and Umbar, in a fight for the city of Corsairs. The movie would start with Viggo as Aragorn telling his son a story. That way they can introduce a new actor as a younger, swash-buckling Aragorn who hasn't learned his lessons yet. And toss in some Black Numenoreans to tie LOTR to Numenor, then tales of Numenor which would be a whole other series.
Great idea!
Sounds like some shite the Rings of Power writers would come up with. "Swashbuckling". What the fuck.
Doesn't work. Aragorn was already an adult man of experience, and also very wise and mature by that time. Don't forget he's a dunedain whose adopted father is Elrond.
I’d actually love to see a trilogy centering on the House of Finwe and his sons, especially Feanor and the scheming of Morgoth/Melkor which led to the Noldor’s bloody return to Middle-Earth, the theft of the Silmarils, and the curse laid upon the House of Feanor. There’s a lot of story to be told here, and it could easily be broken into a trilogy of films with one apiece dedicated to Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin. It would need to end with the latter, since he alone is still alive (presumably) and still serves as High King of the Noldor elves across the sea. But on the whole, it’s as dramatic and action-packed a tale as the LotR books, and it would make for some spectacular scenes and sequences. It also provides quite a bit of history that ties in with the Rings of Power series, and fleshes out Middle-Earth as a whole.
True. But the problem is, the writing that Tolkien did about the House of Finwë is relatively small. It is written in the way that Celtic and Norse sagas were written. The Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit, were written as novels, with deep character development and description of the 'feel" of everything -- that is the reason why they are so enthralling, and the reason why we go to the Silmarillion and the Tales, and crave for more. The sheer size of Lord of the Rings somewhat prevented the screenwriters from departing too much from the original material, and called for a respectful director, which Jackson was.
Now, the saga of the House of Finwë, or any other story from the Silmarillion and Tales, to be made into a film would need the screenwriters to do actual creative work. And you have seen what happens when they do, when they do not have their hands tied and restrained: you have seen Rings of Power. Be it for the appeal of shock (like in Song of Ice and Fire, where they actually bought the writing soul of Martin out with money to transform the books into violence-porn), or for injecting the least subtle popular ideology du jour (like the pitiful RoP), the entertainment industry will chew up even the best stories and vomit them out into pigswill that they suppose will appeal to the brainless masses. Give them a story that needs to be fleshed up to become a film, and they will produce some utter monstrosity.
I wish there could be good films made out of some of the immense quantity of interconnected themes and stories that Tolkien created. But it cannot be done properly without respect. And I have very little hope that that respect can be found.
Viggo is the GOAT and most of the actors were extremely well cast and cannot imagine anyone else doing them credit however I am worried about bringing back the aged cast to reprise their roles as their younger versions of the characters
Yes, I would love to see more stories. However, Peter obviously loved his huge big long battle scenes, which took up about half the movie. Battle scenes are somewhat boring for women, we want to see a true plot and a good story line, not just fights. We'd like a lot more humor that women would find funny too. It will be really interesting to see what Andy does with this.
I'm from Brazil, and this week (from monday to wednesday) Cinemark movie theaters replayed the trilogy exctended director's cut.. I can't explain how good of a feeling it was to watch them on the cinema, I was a kid when they released, only watched the Two Towers (I was 8).. There was a big applause at the end of The Return of the King.. Man, I feel blessed by Galadriel right now!!
I think that a new trilogy could be cool as long as none of the people that were a part of the rings of power are allowed to be on the development team
Lets be honest, I dont think ANYONE would care how old the originals are should they come back. We just want to see the OGs back in the world we all so love
Let’s hope he remembers how he portrayed Aragorn and does it as well as he did…*crosses fingers*
How could he ever forget?
doubt, cgi is good but not that good
@@SomeIdiotLULHow does CGI have to do with anything?
Whats crazy is he's around the same age Ian McKellen was when he played Gandalf in the LoTR movies.
There was an interview somewhat recently where they had his sword and I think he spoke a little elvish. Its still there a bit at least.
OMG, so exciting! YES to a new trilogy!! THE WARS OF THE WITCH-KING would be absolutely incredible! I’d love to see a deep dive into his rise to power and the epic battles that shaped Middle-earth. They could also do a separate set of movies focusing on the wars and how Middle-earth resisted before the fall of Sauron-not as a trilogy, but as complementary films to the original. Imagine the untold stories, the tension, and the sheer scale of those battles brought to life! THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
I LOVE Sir Ian McKellen!!! ♥
who else wants a movie about the valar and melkor's lore
Bro the armless AI gollum at 1:20 💀
The just-slightly-off AI Aragorn in the thumbnail, too 💀
Seems like Gollum wasn't just a murderer but incestuous too
I hope they don't overdo The Hunt for Gollum. It should be an adventure/survival style film, not something that turns into a giant battle. As for the trilogy, I think the Arnor-Angmar story would work much better than the Alternate War of the Ring Locations, as there is more to it than just endless fighting. The Battle of Five Armies was the worst of the Jackson's six films for this reason.
I agree, this giant battle stuff is wearisome. The two sieges in the original trilogy were interesting, because we kept focusing in on small groups of people (as the books do, you know, having been written by a guy who was in a terrible war, not two Bogan housewives), but seeing one hundred thousand cgi creatures have at it just leaves me stone cold.
Yeah, more fan fiction for braindead consumers to consume.
Tolkien would have despised you all.
That battle in the Hobbit was an atrocity... not just in terms of military accuracy (elves jumping over a shieldwall) but because it devolved into the main characters climbing a mountain to engage in single combat. Just utter stupidity.
@@uvicjames The Elves jumping over the shieldwall has to be the stupidest battle-moment in movie history.
@@uvicjames Elves supposed to be super light and can jump, i dont see the problem, and Thorin took his 2 best warriors with him to kill Azog the defiler , cause all the drarves (not many at that point) were trying to fight the battle! He couldnt take many with him
Even if a new trilogy is great, I doubt anything could rival the original trilogy....it was the perfect combination of everything that came together
Those movies were literally God-sent!
For any subsequent Middle-Earth "trilogy" to be successful, it would need to be filled with unexpected magical elements, not just political intrigue and battles. It should have a story of innocent discovery interwoven, with a goal that succeeds against unexpected odds. Pacing is important, don't rush into the action sequences, include a lot of personal space that the audience can relate to.
Absolutely!
a trilogy about the witch king would be incredible
They better damn spend a few years working on this and not damn rush it like all the LOTR prequels ever.
Damn right, damnit.
They better just not do it at all. I don’t want Tolkien to be milked. It’s sacred and no other movie will ever be made which gets close to the first trilogy.
It’s already been milked. Don’t kill the poor cow. 🐄
@@muratbayraktar5035 And the first trilogy while good came nowhere near a good long, comfy reading of the LOTR in book form.
Too late, they had to make it to keep the rights.
If there's someone who can play Aragorn or be Aragorn, it's none other than Sir Viggo ❤
Please, no
He's 66
The LOTR trilogy was unique and everyone should simply accept that. Including the 3 creators. It was a once in a lifetime piece. Transforming Middle Earth into a cash cow is disrespectful.
100% yes to new stories from Peter & Fran 🙏🏽
Let's hope the new trilogy will not be about big siege battles but more about characters, lore, ancient mysteries, secrets and different places.
This worries me. I just saw War of the Rohirrim, and while it was better than I thought it would be, I thought it was no more than okay. I don't think Hunt for Gollum will ever be that interesting no matter what, because it's just not a compelling tale, but the stories you're thinking might be adapted are ones I *want* to see done well, unfortunately, and I fear they won't be
I pretty much agree not to disrespect Andy but I am also not very thrilled to see 4 hours of detective dungeon crawler, and then there are expectations set so incredibly high as it has some connection to the main movies, replacing and finding new actors will be very tough task no matter which story will be chosen, for it will be heavily compared to the original.
The Trailers let me do you think it will suck so I’m gonna try to see it after seeing your comment. I hope the movie is better than the trailers make it look
Agree with both of your points, the tale of hunt for gollum is as compelling to me as the other tales of middle earth. And I also didn't like war of the Rohirrim, it was too girlbossy and woke for me to like
@@farahahmed8201 she wasn't the worst of the "girlboss" archetype IMO, but I do wish it had been more about Helm the Hammerhand, and I also don't think the writing was very good.
@@farahahmed8201 define "woke"
I think a story told through different realms during the War of the Ring would be the most fitting for a trilogy.
Love the idea of a trilogy about The Witch King of Angmar, Arnor and Fornost. These films are all set in the ‘past’, so I believe they should be recast. So the new faces can become the new fan favourites for the next generation. Don’t get me wrong the casting was perfect for LOTRs, but this can be done again.
Nope. Not now. We need to let the current generation of writers leave the field. They have way too much "main character syndrome" and doesn't know a good story or decent dialogue if it bit them in their stupid arse.
All of this is so exciting. I cannot wait to see what's coming for the future!
I'd love to see the Battle of Dale in a trilogy
This is awesome news!!!! I hope we get to see Thranduil again....even if its for a cameo.
He'd have to play a bigger role, I think.
Yes, yes! Make sure Thranduil is in it!
More Lee Pace as Thranduil YES PLEASE!!!
Yessss 🥰😍
Oh, yes, yes!
Beren and Luthien would be a wonderful addition to the series.
If the ROP writers got heir hands on that one, they would both be lesbian trans-women. We don't want that.
Being a humongous fan of The One Ring 1st Edition RPG, I would love to see more about the Northern Kingdoms in Rhovanion and how they fare against Sauron's forces, thoughthese would also need to be tied into the defense of Lothlorien. I would certainly love to see that action.
yo is this the battlefront dude, no way
Let's hope They make it just as good as The Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
They might… heck! This could probably end up being the best movie that we’ve seen in decades, but fans will just hate it anyways.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wait, you're serious?!?!
@literatureandfilmaremyjam4592 lol, bet u loved the rings of power......have you no shame? Tolkien would NOT have wanted this, does that matter to you?
Get off the couch, go live life
Oh we absolutely want LoTR content, there is definitely a huge fan base wanting more content, the problem is them if they decide to pull weird stuff again and massively deviate from the source material trying to appeal a fanbase that doesn't really exist. The original 3 were a master piece, don't need to invent the wheel again, go for the same public, make minimal changes to the main story just like with the original 3, and we'll love it, even if lots of CGI are used to reduce production time.
Star Wars fand wanted more content, too. We got the Acolyte and the Sequels and a bunch of other weird, self-insert Alphabet mob agenda narrative, not anything close to George Lucas vision or lore. So yeah, good luck thinking they'll stay with source material. Look at what's already been made. Rings of Power and Rohirrim ..Girl-Power, Girl Boss! What could go wrong?!
Starwars is RIP. Corporation done they things.
@@SinCityVillainalso making isolated communities as multiculturally diverse as downtown LA
The only ethnicities Tolkien described in middle-earth were Scandinavian / northern European, Mediterranean, Mongolian looking (rhun), and Arab looking (Harad / Southrons). It's patronising to suggest that people need to see a "reflection of themselves" on screen in order to enjoy a movie. All it does is remind us we're watching a modern film and pulls us out of the submersion, as well as not making sense in terms of world-building.
it's sad that they left too many years go to waste and didn't make more movies earlier 😒
Why do more Movies ?
The trilogy is finished, Story is told literaly no Point in doing more Movies other them making more Money (which is what Happens Right here)
More movies usually means more disappointments. Hobbit trilogy wasn't as good as LOTR & Rings of power was a joke.
@@1Guug there are many stories to be told lol
@@Empty12345 hobbits was good, little bit too much cgi but still good, we're talking about movies and there are many stories to be told
They couldn't because Christopher Tolkien wouldn't sign over the rights to them and for good reason. Examples of that being ROP and now War of the Rohirrim. Both take a huge shat on his Father's lifelong work by writers trying to input their own ideologies into Tolkien's work.
After Rings of power I have zero faith that any new LOTR product will be good
They should not do this, even if it sounds exiting!!! This masterpiece needs to be respected
Pete has mentioned wanting to do the Silmarillion. That would be nuts
it would take 10 years
@johnniewalker3134 it seriously would
@@johnniewalker33it can take 100years idc, as long as it is Pete (or his ai consciousness).
I will reincarnate to watch it.
That is a lot of content and story to cover and write for. But out of anything that is what I'd want to see done most if done properly. War of Wrath would be incredible to see on film.
I can't really see the Silmarillion happening as a movie. It would be like trying to make a movie out of a western history textbook. Better to focus on one of the many stories in the text. Beren and Luthien would be worthy of a movie if they actually did it well.
The hunt for Gollum. Based on two pages of the original book. It's going to be great...
The same the Hobbit garbage trilogy with a love story between Gandalf and Galadriel AND a dwarf and elf? Talk about a crappy cash grab.
@@SinCityVillain I think OP was sarcastic.
The Conflict in the North idea could be linked with the eventi of the Hobbit Trilogy highlighting those events
I'd enjoy this, especially if they could get Billy Connoly to voice Dain again.
you think there's a chance for a second extended edition of the original trilogy?
Excellent portrayal of what could happen in the next trilogy, if we get one, which I really hope we do.
Subbed.
Turning those two pages about the hunt for Gollum in the book into ONE movie would even be a stretch, but making it TWO movies is just insane. Super-sceptic! Nothing Tolkien-related gets good when it's dragged out. Nothing has ever come close to the masterpiece of the LOTR-trilogy, where they instead had to trim the story down. All dragging-stuff-out into more releases to make more money always results in reduced quality and negatively effects all good that came before. The more they make, the less special each release feels. Just look at how Disney destroyed Star Wars. Less is often more. If we are shown everything and more that takes away the mysticism and wonder, which is a huge part of what makes it great. Recasting people breaks the illusion of the world feeling real, but so does casting the same actor looking much older in a time where he should look younger or the same.
Philippa Boyens has confirmed that The Hunt for Gollum is definitely one movie. The confusion arose because they signed on to create two new live-action films.
@@MiddleEarthUpdates That's a relief! Thanks
No worries!
After War of the Rohirrim you'll forgive me if jumping for joy at this news. I can give you the plot right now. Aragorn leads a band of Rangers hunting for Gollum, one of them is female, she's the boss and tells every incompetent man what to do then single handedly finds Gollum herself. The End. At best it'll be another Hobbit situation because this is not a trilogy's worth of lore. If this is a trilogy then they should still be making LoTR movies to this day. Either way I have zero faith in this project. Hollywood is simply not in the same place it was 20 years ago.
Where did you hear this from?
I’m pretty sure almost nobody (from the fandom) is quite sold on this yet. I’ll personally just wait for the trailer and look out for any… suspicious activity present within it… and then decide wether I’ll spend my hard earned money on it or not, and I think most would agree with me on that point. If I knew they were going to be tackling this with the same amount of passion and (most importantly) *_RESPECT FOR TOLKIENS WORK,_* that they had with the original trilogy (despite some acceptable deviations), I could just buy blindly and not let myself get spoiled of any scenes by a potentially spoilerous trailer.
YES, YES, YES!! PLEASE MAKE SOME TRILOGIES! I LOVE ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. I HAVE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE ONE MADE PLUS ALL THE HOBBITS. YOU HAVE THE FAN BASE SO PLEASE MAKE SOME MORE. IF YOU HAVE TO RECAST ACTORS THAT DON'T WANT TO BE IN THEM, THEN FIND REPLACEMENTS THAT LOOK CLOSE TO THE OTHER ACTORS. ❤❤❤
making a prequel with the original cast thats all like 70 years old is crazy. i would love it more than anyone but noooooo, that doesnt make any sense and would look ridiculous on screen. make a sequel if anything that way they can be aged appropriately 😭😭😭🙏🙏
From what I've seen about the War of the Rohirrim, I am not very optimistic about the Hunt for Gollum or any future Middle Earth series or movies. PJ struck gold with LOTR, copper with the Hobbit, and ROP is straight coal. I would rather forget that everything but the original LOTR trilogy exists.
Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Matrix, Robocop, Total Recall and a long etc have all come back "adapted for modern audiences" and they all sucked. Why would this be any different?
Also, there is no book for reference, it won´t be filmed in location (it won´t even have film, it´ll be digital), no actual humans with makeup and armor (it will have CGI orcs), it will have silly romances (everything will be fill up with Hollywood cliches)...
We know what happened with the Hobbit (thank Maple for their edit) and later with Rings of Power...
What we had in the early 2000 was beautiful and a treasure, I´ll just keep the memory from then.
A Witch-King trilogy would be awesome!
What about the Simirils ( sorry if i spell bad 0 sleep makes my brain dumb )
De-aging techniques are getting vastly better. All of them should not be too overly concerned about how old they've gotten.
I know this probably wont happen because of the Amazon show. But imagine if they did their own Second Age Trilogy. Eregion, the forging of the rings, Numenor. It could be so fucking good.
The other main thing i would love to see is the War in the North during the Third age. None of the LOTR characters are involved so you dont have the actor issue. But it will be cool to see Erebor and Dale again etc. The battles in Mirkwood/Dul Guldur and Lothlorian would be really cool to see.
They could have a scene of explaining why Galadriel send Haldir and his soldiers to Helms Deep. Have Galadriel look into her mirror right before their own battle and see the future of Helms Deep if they dont come and help them. So she sends a small army of Elves to Rohan right before fighting their own battles.
7:02, this is not a good sign. When a product is made to please the mass, nothing good is gonna happen.
I would like to see the Tale of Beren and Luthien told as a trilogy. The story could include the return of the Elves to Middle Earth and the wars between the sons of Feanor and Morgoth as well as the struggle of the Edain to survive and the downfall of Thingol's kingdom. Id also like to see the Tale of Turin Turumba told in full
I been wanting they make at least two prequels about isildur aragon father, grandfather and who was aragon elvish mother leading up to the great alliance war against saron...lol i always wanted to see more of the intro scene of the fellowship when the great war starts.....
Maybe do the forging of the rings so that I can get the Rings of Power out of my head
As long as it doesn’t resemble Rings of Power, I can get behind this. Let’s give it a chance
I'm hoping it's for a modern audience. I'd like to see myself and Sauron in a love triangle with Galadriel or maybe with the Witch King if that floats your boat 🏳🌈
I can‘t wait for Titanic 2
I don’t think age is going to be too much of an issue, after all practical makeup could be used in tandem with it so it’s not jarring, if they can’t use practical makeup in its entirety for it. After all, Lon Chaney had used makeup to make himself look younger in some of his films.
What I’m interested in seeing with future LotR films is giving Glorfindel proper screen time and actually give him some lines.
Also, a while ago John Rhy-Davies did speak about returning to LotR. He said he will only return to ‘The Lord of the Rings’ franchise if he was allowed to drop the prosthetics and instead use CGI to get into character, which was first utilized for Andy Serkis (Gollum). In an interview with Collider, he said: “Well, I’m known to not want to put that prosthetic on again, but out of deference to Andy, whom I love and admire and again who has grown so much, if they invited me … oh God could I dare to put on that make-up again and lose my skin? Maybe with CGI."
So, it looks like LOTR is going the way of the Star Wars franchise: Endless, fan-fictionesque spin offs, cha ching cha ching cha ching, until there is no mystique or mystery left, no questions left unanswered, and the whole thing is so run into the ground that even the fans see it as a joke. Grand. J.R.R. Tolkien would be so proud.
The CGI de-aging will make this look stupid
If Viggo and Ian reprise their roles I'm going to see the movies.
if viggo doesn't come back, there will be no movie.
I think the Silmarillion offers many beautiful stories that don't have to fall back on the Ring trilogy, and in which new and good actors can make a name for themselves: Hurin, the fall of Gondolin, Luthien and Beren......
The story of Arnor is intriguing as it also covers the arrival of the Hobbits.
I feel one area especially has gone unnoticed in the Shire, is the North Downs on the southern shores of Lake Evindum. Where it could be possible to bring a bit more elvish fairness of feature into the northern downs Hobbits and possibly even the emergence of a Hobbit Wizard