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Greek-speakers of Pontus, Turkey (Part 2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2021
- I spent 1 week in the Black Sea Mountains of Turkey close to the border with Georgia in late July to experience Pontic Greek. It's very different from modern Greek, so much so that I needed a guide to help with translations. The dialect was isolated from the Greek-speaking world for nearly 1000 years so has preserved some very archaic elements and also absorbed loan words from Turkish, Persian, and Arabic. Greek-speaking Christians were expelled from Turkey following an agreement with Greece to exchange populations based on religion in 1922. Greek-speakers who converted to Islam at some point (likely in the last 200 to 400 years) were allowed to stay. Pontic Greek is an increasingly endangered language. In this video, I speak largely to older people. Their children can understand but not respond.@tom_traveler
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As a Turk knowing ancient Greek it is also a little bit understandable for me. And I did not know there were a lot of people speaking Pontus Greek. So I am very happy to see them.
Χαίρομαι
@@DJ_Ichiyo Μέγα χαῖρε. Τοὺς θεοὺς εὔχομαί σοι διδόναι ὑγίειαν.
Their pronunciation is completely greek, for me Tom sounds like foreigner with his modern greek, he learn it as foreign language
@@HighlandBlackStorm oh thanks. I don't know modern greek but I wish
@@vergosa I suppose I have to learn some Turkish also. And find people to speak Romeika. It's so difficult to speak the dialect if you live in city, in villages is more common
The way the gentleman with the glasses pronounces Romaika (roh-mah-ee-ka) just tickles me, as it seems that the Pontic dialect has retained certain pronunciations from Ancient Greek. This, along with Calabrian Greek, are my favorite Greek dialects spoken outside of Greece.
It’s evident that Romaiika isn’t their first language, they can barely communicate in Romaiika.
@@olbiomoiros It is their first language, but as soon as they entered the school system, their primary language of preference became Turkish, probably from age 7 or 8 they would then also choose Turkish to start a conversation with their parents (at that time usage of Romeika in schools was heavily discouraged). While their parents would continue conversing in Romeika, and address them in Romeika, they would increasingly answer in Turkish. The people interviewed here all have children, who grew up speaking Turkish as their first language, but who are still exposed to Romeika daily or weekly (depending on the family). While Romeika was practically outlawed by primary school teachers in the region for some decades in the late 20th century, in recent times teachers have become more accepting of its usage, and may even encourage students to learn the language. It is unfortunate that no official education program has been developed, or even been considered. Hopefully this will change in the future, as Turkey gets a more democratic government.
@@i.k.8868 Have you ever seen a Greek school where Turkish is allowed?
@@wix_61 I am not happy with the Greek policies at all! However, my comment was about the local situation...
@@wix_61 There are over a hundred Greek schools in Greece, in Western Thrace, that teach the modern Turkish Language.
Do your research...
What a vibrant, colorful community! The Pontic Greeks are a community that has been around since ancient times. Just incredible.
Rum*
@@bumin6451 rum means (roman)greek cyprus is kibris rum greeks used to be called rums
There are no actual Pontic Greeks in Pontus today, just Turks who speak Romaiika
@@olbiomoiros You mean Turks for muslims? If you convert to islam, you will became turk in this region?
@@serkantemiz7565 Only according to nationalist Greeks and Turks. For everone else, all that counts is what you recognize as your heritage. For many people in these regions, it is not an issue at all to accept a mixed heritage of both Pontic Greek and Turkish background. But the nationalists despise us for that. They believe in some fantasy ideal of genetically pure nations. Good luck with that.
Tom you did an amazing job, well done!
Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
Extremely interesting! Thanks a lot for the video
Hi from Germany! My father is originally from Trabzon (sürmene - sourmena). He doesn‘t know anything about his past or family background. He considers himself turkish because they were never taught anything else. He does not know any romaika but we use rum-words everyday! Especially when we talk about animals, fruits, vegetables etc.
My mother is originally from Samsun.
My DNA test told me I was 40% greek. I want to learn more about past sourmena. The village name is “Petekli/Magavla“. Maybe I can get in contact with people whose ancestors lived there with my ancestors. I‘m so invested in learning more about the history of my ancestors🇹🇷🇬🇷❤️
Αγαπητέ φίλε σε χαιρετώ αδελφικά, από τα Γιαννιτσά, βόρεια της Θεσσαλονίκης.
Με πατέρα από τα Σούρμενα της Τραπεζούντας και με μητέρα από την Σαμψούντα θεωρώ ότι είσαι 100% Έλληνας του Πόντου.
Η καταγωγή η δική μου είναι από ένα χωριό της Αργυρούπολης της Τραπεζούντας.
Για εμάς δεν ήταν καθόλου δύσκολο να μάθουμε πράγματα για την καταγωγή μας και τον τόπο που γεννήθηκαν οι προπάτορες μας.
Αν και στα δημόσια σχολεία λίγα πράγματα αναφέρονται στον Ποντιακό Ελληνισμό, υπάρχουν εκατοντάδες πολιτιστικοί σύλλογοι που μας μαρτυρούν τα πάντα.
Σου συνιστώ, να παρακολουθήσεις στο ίντερνετ τις ετήσιες πανελλήνιες χορευτικές εκδηλώσεις, της πανελλήνιας οργάνωσης ποντιακών σωματείων.
Στις εκδηλώσεις αυτές συμμετέχουν πλήθος πολιτιστικών σωματείων με εκατοντάδες χορευτές και μουσικούς.
Είναι πράγματι ένα υπερθέαμα και προκαλεί ρίγοι συγκινήσεως σε όσους το παρακολουθούν.
Κάθε χρόνο γίνεται και σε διαφορετική πόλη της Ελλάδας.
Αγαπητέ φίλε και αδελφέ έχεις υποχρέωση να μάθεις πράγματα που σε αφορούν και που το Τουρκικό κράτος εσκεμμένα προσπάθησε να κρύψει από τους γονείς σου από εσένα και από τους απογόνους σου.
Στην Γερμανία υπάρχουν αρκετοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι.
Πιστεύω πως οι Πόντιοι Έλληνες της Γερμανίας πρόθυμα θα σου παρέχουν κάθε πληροφορία που θα λύσει τα ερωτήματα σου.
Καλή προσπάθεια και καλά αποτελέσματα.!!!
these people were able to preserve their language. Orthodox Turks who were deported from Karaman to Greece, unfortunately, their language was forgotten
They identify themselves as Greeks (Karamanlides).
Lmao orthodox turks the biggest lie 🤥
@@wankawanka3053 why. People choose religion.
@@christospolyzoidis9507no they didn’t! They didn’t even speak Greek when they were send to Greece
Come on! Karaman Orthodox community, according to the latest DNA analysis has no connection with DNAs of Central Asia. So, relax and forget this fairytale.
Respect to Greek Pontic people from a Catholic Albanian.
They don't identify as greek. My gf's mother can fluently speak it. She would probably chase anyone calling her greek with a mangle LoL
@@denizkeremozer8857 but its the same for everyone or?
@imperatoralbanie7668 Yeah. I know it sounds nationalistic but it's what it's. Let's say 99.99 %. She always tells me not to call them Rum as her family would shoot me (no jokes). They absolutely refuse the idea of being greek. They don't even call the language greek, they call it romeika.
Pontusit janë turq Trabzon dhe Jo se nuk kan ekzistuar greket deri 1832 pontusit e quanin veten e tyre romaikos dhe nuk pranonin ta quanin veten e tyre grek po keta i quajnë.te gjith grek keta thojnë.ponusit jan grek pomaket jan grek Arvanitasit jan grek qe keta nuk kanë asnjë.lidhje gjaku me njerin tjetrin
@@denizkeremozer8857 Depends on the family I guess. I asked my grandmother what we were, and she replied "Rum". Though she probably wouldn't acknowledge that to people she doesn't know.
Yaşasın Pontus Yaşasın Rum Kültürü 💙💛
Stay strong 🇬🇷🦅
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@@21LeonidasZ heyy buddy i own a greco turkish friendship discord server if you want to join send me your account
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Sarı lacivert ne alaka lan?
I am learning Greek aswell, beautiful language.
Great Job Tom
Listen 4:26 The guy said :Απ'Όθεν έρθεταιν,They used the word Όθεν which means "from where" instead of "Απο Πού".Απ'Όθεν έρθετε means where are you from,From where you came here?
I totally missed that. Are you a native Pontic speaker? It took ages for me to work out the translations as few people are fluent in Turkish, Pontic Greek and Modern Greek (or English).
@@tom_traveler Yes I am, and I can easily understand everything. At one point you asked People if they knew Greek(Hellinika)or Pontic(Pontiaka) For Muslims Rums the word Pontic is foreign! They never called themselves Pontians, but always Romans(Romaioi) and their Language Romeika/Rumca. Do you know why? Because the Byzantine Empire we call today was nothing more than the Eastern Roman Empire and the people Romans! These people converted to Islam in the 17th century, until 30 years ago,they hadnt the right to speak their language. Nevertheless, after genocides, massacres and pressures, they keep their language and customs.Their traditional Dance called "Horon" which means dance in Greek
@@basilakakoseleytherios4878 I might need your help with some additional translations. Would that be ok?
@@tom_traveler ofc,i have great knowledge of pontic greek dialect,so its not difficult for me to translate
@@basilakakoseleytherios4878 my email is tomstaph@yahoo.com. Thank you
Their dialect is actually more "purely" Greek, closer to Ancient Greek rather than the Neohellenic, but somehow they are proud Turks. That's what happens when nation equals religion. Non-Greek speaking (originally) people in Greece (e.g. Arvanites or Slavs of Macedonia) are considered Greeks because they are Orthodox but these people not because they are Muslim. Does that even make sense?
No b.s
Subdued and tortured people with a Stockholm syndrome.
They are ancestors of converts. The only reason they survived the genocide is their Islamic faith. Other than that, the Pontic Greek dialect exists in Greece, and its people have been using far more than in its homeland Pontus. They are not Greek because once you convert, you are a Turk (that’s how it was in the Ottoman Empire). They have been Turks for decades or hundreds of years. Not only were their ancestors traitors, but so are they being the most nationalistic Turks, supporting Erdogan who has been constantly threatening Greece and making racist remarks. They also idolise Mustafa Kemal who is responsible for the genocide of Pontic Greeks.
@@olbiomoiros You don't know anything of Trabzon history. These were also the people that in rural communities actively protected the local Armenian population in 1915, that held back the Russian invaders in 1916, that protected the local Greek Orthodox population until the forced population exchange in 1923 (all those years Christians were living peacefully in many majority Muslim villages of the Of region), and even the wider Trabzon Muslim population protested the nationalist policies of the Kemalists during and after the war. The first Turkish opposition party was lead by Muslim politicians from the Trebizond region. They protested violence against Greeks, supported recognition of the ethnic diversity of the new Turkish republic, wanted powers stripped from Mustafa Kemal, and many of them were killed for their politics. A bit of respect please. It is true a majority of the people from these regions vote for conservative parties, but there has always been a very vocal and prominent opposition, and not all votes for a specific party have a clear meaning when you talk about ethnicity... For most of the 20th century Turkey was under control of the Kemalists, and in their media they called our community outright traitors, "fake turks", "crypto chistians", etc. What do you think the effect is of such pressure on a tiny minority?
Εν μέρει έχεις δίκιο αλλά εμείς πιστεύουμε στους Ολύμπιους θεούς δεν έχουμε καμία σχέση με τον χριστιανισμό. Άλλο χριστιανός άλλο Έλληνας και τα δύο δε γίνεται.
My grand fathers used to live there we are the last Buzantines in Anatolia the heartlands of Byzantium
Ωραίος!!! Μπράβο!
Για σού Αδερφέ Πόλα καλά καλατσεφς τα ποντιακά!!
they use a lot of pure ancient Greek words
Bruh haha because we are real greeks you are gypsy in greece es are pontic greeks
@@atillavedataydn1270 F.O
Μπράβο Τομ κάνεις καλή δουλειά
Hi from giresun(kerasuni)
It's sad to see the next generation won't even remember how to speak Greek. They won't even classify themselves as Greeks. Their language will become turkish and and call themselves turks. Very sad to see. This is the older generation and they only speak a little Greek.
Majority Muslims , or any majority in any country doesn’t adopt culture and religion of a different minority.
They are clearly Greek converts. Hamshen Armenians converted hundreds of years ago, they still speak Armenian.
Ahahaha you've found the most leftist kahvehane in the black sea region. Great video!
Quite interesting to see that kdkfkslf
Such a shame they become muslims like president Erdogan of Turkey he comes from Pontus and a Greek village call it Kerasia the cherry tree
Erdogan is from Rizunda, Name of the Village is Potamia
No shame to be a Muslim. In the same context Britons converted to Christianity from old ancestral beliefs.
Actually Erdogan is Laz
@@WynkenDelirium exactly, in fact, the Greeks themselves converted to Christianity from their ancient Greek religion worshipping Zeus and all the other gods. They lost their amazing heritage true Hellenic identity after converting to a Middle Eastern religion…now THAT is a shame lol
It’s a shame when you are christian and think that jesus is a son of god 😂😂
Don't you have a pontic greek with you? I am and they speak ancient greek...I wish I could speak to them. Try these phrases: Te ftas? (what are you doing?), Oromeos ise?
Εξισλαμισμένη Έλληνες και το γνωρίζουν ότι έχουν ελληνική καταγωγή όχι όλη αλλά πάρα πολλοί
Ναι για αυτό σε ένα δωμάτιο έχουν 50 τουρκικές σημαίες
@@Soekdndei Έχουν εκτουρκιστεί πολλοί από αυτούς έπειτα δεν μπορούν να έχουν ελληνική σημαία στον Πόντο τους κυνηγάνε επίσης υπάρχουν και κρυπτοχριστιανοι
@@Soekdndei Και αυτή του Τσε Γκεβάρα 😆
Pontus is alive !
No he is death
Black Sea belongs to Turks and everyone living in it, but it is not Pontus
@@wix_61 And you belong to Central Asia aka ur homeland.
@@sirteaplease2331 Does the black sea belong only to the Greeks? My ancestors have been here for the last 200 years according to the records and this is my hometown.
@@wix_61 And my ancestors colonized the black sea 3000 years ago but some barbarians came and conquered the colonies and Greeks still living there.
The Osman Empire just forcefully converted them to Islam. That's not acceptable in Islam at all.
ZİTO O ELLAS ZİTO İ PONTOS🇬🇷❤🇬🇷
Halasa😂
Thank God my ancestors moved to Greece and kept their religion ☦️
Become Catholic brother ✝️🇻🇦
Who cares religion, all brain wash anyway, like you had.
Greeks were not Christian before, its sad you all had to change your religion
@@Mediterraneou wdym almost all ancient kingdoms like persia,greeks,romans and many others change their religion to Christianism, islam and etc
wtf :/ i'm originally from eastern black sea region but i raised in somewhere else. i have never known that people who can speak greek, drink rakı and hang communistic stuff on their walls are living in there. surprising !
Find Laş Meron in TH-cam as soon as possible
Tonya'da Che Guevra Atatürk dENİZ gEZMİŞ POSTERLERİ VAY VAY VAY
Her tuşa basmışlar 😂😂😂
Indian leader 😁
3:45 Eksi,epta,okto,enya,deka,endeka,dodeka😊
Religion is part of one’s identity. It defines your identity. Whole nations are built in religion differences. Bloodline it’s not everything.
Yeah right.... So you really believe that I would choose the Orthodox Russians, Bulgarians, Servs etc as brothers than my muslim Pontians with their karalahana and Kemence. 😂 I will break my Orthodox Eastern eggs with them in Kalandar on January, no problem. Bize her yer Trabzon.
Very few nations are built on religion
Is the weather there always foggy?
I was there in July and it was cold and foggy every day except at the coast in Trabzon where it was warm and sunny. But my guide was sharing pictures just last week of his cabin in the Pontus mountains, and it looked really nice. Generally-speaking, it is a cool, wet, climate in that area of the Black Sea, especially in the mountains.
@@tom_traveler pontus mountains ? This is turkıye mountains
Yup
@@wix_61 they are in turkey but they are called pontus mountains, as the region is called pontus.
the fact that young kids don't speak the language is depressing romeikas fate is pretty much decided, :(
Very true another 30 years and nobody will know it
Also take in consideration that most of these supposed “greeks” are heavy supporters of Erdogan and his decisions of islamification. Most conservative and religious(muslim) part of turkey.
well im 17 yo and i can speak it fluently
@@asnea7268 are you from trabzon?
@@deumevet yes I am (Kondu,Dernekpazari/Trabzon)
1 million in exchange for 500k? Very fair exchange lol
Don't forget that what is now Turkey was part of the Byzantine Empire, as a result there were (in 1922) more Greeks in Turkey than Turks in Greece.
Also, the population exchange was based on religion and NOT ethnic origins!
Therefore, Greeks remained in Turkey and Turks remained in Greece, In particular the Thrace region of North Greece is full of muslim Turks
In other words, if you were a christian in relegion (both Greek or Turk) you moved to Greece from Turkey, and the inverse from Greece to Turkey if you were muslim.
The 'Turk-DNA project' which was initiated to prove that the Turks were pure (100%) of Turkish origin proved the exact oposite.
The Turk-DNA project was canceled as the results were not so positive for national unity !
The Turks are a mixed-race group of Iranians Syrians, Armenians, Sebians, Bulgarians, Kurds and Greeks and even some Russians and Ukranians.
For example, The Kurds are not of Turkish origin and want to have their own country some day !
Essentially, Greeks were exchanged for Greeks. Only the religion differed.
This is their land they have all greek origin and they are ex orthodox! Pity to see them like this … :(
Forcibly converted and told to be turk
That is simply not true. The assimilation process began with the Turkish Republic in 1923, where even other minorities like Kurds, Armenians, Arabs etc. had to be "turkified". The conversion had other roots, as with converting to Islam, the folk would have more opportunities during the ottoman era. So your comment indeed is irrational, not to forget that in Greece nearly all the mosques and synagogues built during the ottoman era were destroyed or left to demolition.
kala erθes semeteron merea. Auto ti ğlossa epomene emas aso rum osto ğar şincenune temeters. Omon to ipes auto to horiya simo uk(ç)en so politias. har esena kat na eroto erθes çe eporpadeses çe evres pu ekser romeika ti ğlossa. Gioksam ependesas atins? aksana permenumese çe seson to videoδasis.
Panta kala na iste
Aderfe mou apo ton Ponto eisai Kai omilis romeika eisai romios ?
@@greektv5492 TÜRKüm
@@romeika2744 romeika einai ellinika miazoune palaloume tora me touta Pou leis
@@greektv5492 ROMEİKA EN ROMEİKA. Asin trabezountan etoune i rizas?
Trabzon!!!!
ΤΡΑΠΕΖΟΥΣ,ΠΑΝΑΡΧΑΙΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΠΟΛΙΣ.Η ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΓΟΝΩΝ ΜΟΥ.ΤΗΝ ΑΓΑΠΩ!!!
Native original greeks from asia
Correct Asia minor was the heart of Hellenism during the middle ages Byzantine times
TA ADERFIA MAS POU EMINAN STON PONTO!!!
Για αυτο φυγανε οι προπαππουδες μας για να γλυτωσουμε αυτα ...Στο τζαμι...
It’s hilarious all these guys can count only to five. Just enough to tell how many kids they have.
Yes, but not neccessary for them to be able to count more than 5. If they have got 6 children they can say "I have one more child after 5 children" 😂
nereyee geldik lann
kahvehane dedik, kübahane cikti xd
Her türden lideri koymuslar 😂
Μην προσκυνατε βρε Ελληνες! Εμεις και τον θεό μας ορθιοι τον κοιτάζουμε!
We dont know after 5🤣
"Nearly half a million muslims left greece for turkey"😂
These are native pontic Greek inhabitants of Pontus who speak a very old Greek dialect that have been living there for thousands of years they are not the Muslims of Greece who came in 1920
Why do they have picture of Ataturk?
Becuz they are turkish citizen and Atatürk is the founder of this country
@@kaderdeniz6760 But he helped kill/kick out many Greeks
@@kaderdeniz6760 I don't like it but ok your answer is the most acceptable I suppose.
Massive propaganda campains during atatürks reign, it never really stopped.
Respect and love? Türkiye is their home after all
Как можно этих предателей назвать Эллином,а уж тем более Понтийцем?Пусть турками называются и Ататюрку молиться
Oni govore grčki jezik.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 братуха,они самые настоящие предатели,я тебе как Понтиец это говорю
@@Greek-rk6ok Προδότες θα ήταν αν ξεχνουσαν την γλώσσα τους τα έθιμα μουσική και παραδοσιακά φαγητά και πολλά άλλα το μόνο που μας χωρίζει είναι η θρησκεία γιατί αναγκαστικά άλλαξαν θρησκεία
2:03 this is very sad actually and we see very clear what Turkification has done , this guy right there in the flag Ataturk is the one who genocided us and now our people having him in the flag , the flag of our genociders , they forget the Greek Genocide , the forget the ones who slaughtered us. Greeks remember we are Greeks , we aren't Turks , never forget our roots! 🇬🇷
♥️♥️🧿☺️
Ο δίδυμος του Χάρρυ Κλυνν
Grek muslim
I doubt if they are Greek given that they have Kemal's portraits all over the place...
@@stelios5314zaten yunan değiller. Onlar Türk.
Είναι εξισλαμισμένοι Έλληνες
@@erhangenc3440 Είναι εξισλαμισμένοι Έλληνες
@@stelios5314 Αυτό δεν παίζει κανένα ρόλο Είναι εξισλαμισμένοι Έλληνες
0:43 The Pontic Greeks didnt just "left" their homes.It happened a war and a Genocide of 353.000 Pontic Greeks by the Turks and Kemal Ataturk.Ποντος ειναι η θαλασσα στα Αρχαια Ελληνικα για να τους φυγει η απορια."Ki" ερχεται απο το "Ουκι" σαν συντομια και ειναι αρχαιοελληνικο.
İt’s not true.. America, England, France makes Genocide.
@@alpugan23 its not true?my ancestors was there,go read Greek history
@@stelios43 It was war! And you say 353’000 greeks are died in a genocide. This is not possible. Also the lier with the genocide of the armenians. I can’t believe it.
@@alpugan23 Man there are 2 options.You are completely ignorant or you are saying nonsense on purpose .Pick up a choice..
With all due respect, while many Pontic Greeks were murdered, some militias also killed innocent Turkish civilians in return. The number of '350.000 Pontic Greeks who died in the genocide' isn't realistic as it is much higher than the entire Greek Orthodox community of Trebizond Province (official numbers indicate 250.000 Greek Orthodox in 1914). And they were certainly not all exterminated! Many tens of thousands died, perhaps even 100.000, but not 100%. Rather 20-30%, and in the eastern Black Sea region much less. In many districts east of Trabzon (and in the city itself), there were no hostilities between Greeks and Muslims, and the local Christians only had to leave in 1923 on the order of the Greek and Turkish state. They used to live peacefully together, as is explained in the museum of the village Nea Trapezounta, where the easternmost Pontic Greeks (form the Of-valley) migrated to.
There you can see turkey was a bridge and Indo European language was spread over turkey Iran til India. You just compared the numbers and compare.the Greek the Armenian the kurdisch the Iranian languages. Amazing links
Bunlara beşten fazla saymak zaten gerekmez. 6 çocukları varsa derler "5 çocuğun yanina 1 tane daha yaptık." 😂
There is no Romaic language. It is not Romaic the language that you are speaking. It is Hellenic from Pontus.
They call it that because of the roman empire that once ruled the region. To us it is pontiaka or pontian greek
Both are correct. It is Romeika coming from ancient Hellenic.
Byzantinisches reich. hellenisch sprachige Dominanz.mit der tilurierung des Königs und nicht mehr Kaiser seit spätestens König Heraklion und König Mithridates.von Pontos tötete 80.000 Römer ich hätte Alle vernichtet.nicht nur Judas war schuld an issous leiden der Römer ist auch beteiligt und nun nennt sich der anti Christ katholisch.ps meine Vorbilder sind Pyrros.Perseus.Spartakus.Mithridates.und Hannibal.
They basically dead ?
Most are because of genocide
Как больно на это смотреть
Why
2:03 2:15 3:01 To be honest, having nationalistic posters of the person that basically massacred and hunted your ancestors out of necessity, ignorance and/or fear makes me very upset.
@died I wouldn't agree with that, at least for the specific people shown. I mean they literally speak a Greek dialect. Besides, I included the fraction of people that you mentioned (feeling Turk when one has Greek origins) by saying "out of ignorance" as well.
@died Well my friend, the most nationalists are always the ones that want to prove how much [blank] they are, it is no surprise, just sad. There are always people that act like this because there is some self-hate hidden (I speak obviously for extreme cases). Lastly, saying that one speaks a language "because others near me spoke it" is the definition of denial.
@died Jokes on them Rum is coming from medieval Roman empire (Byzantine empire). Byzantine empire is of Greek heritage, even the last Roman king said that to his speech before the battle in Constantinople. Greeks were living for millennials in Anatolia and the "Caucasian Hellenization" is bs. Most of the cities in Pontus region were created by the Greeks (Trabzon, Kerasus, Sinope and so on, idk Turkish version of the names).
@died Be proud of who you are and ignore those people my friend. True Greeks don't forget that there are people of Greek origins - Greek/Rum that still live in Turkey. I am of Pontic Greek descent myself.
@died Well you probably know better but if you have/had relatives that speak Greek then it could be possible. Take care (in Turkish xD).
as a greek i find it really strange that the greek speakers of pontus have to face kemal ataturk in every place they go
@@muratsahin951 yea bc they are turkified you too check your dna first
Let me tell you one more thing that you will find strange, they are all deeply Turkish nationalists.
@@TUNC66 because everyone support their country as hell and turks in greece love more greece than turkey
@@lefteris9741
Lefteris, you Greeks are growing up with too many imaginary dates. None of those in this video are Laz or Greek, buy a ticket and go there, you'll see it with your eyes and you'll be disappointed, plus it's perfectly normal for Turks in Greece to love their country, and it should be.
@@lefteris9741 hell, of course we will see his face every place we go. don't you read some of the 'real' greeks' comments that say we are traitors just because our ancestors converted to islam. if these fellas are gonna try to invade again you can be sure we again will take the side of the turks 🤷♂
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Pontus is very unique. It's correct name is Lazica. Both "Turks" and "Greeks" from Pontus are assimiliated Lazes. Same goes for Hemshins who are Armenian speaking Lazes. It doesn't matter if they speak Laz, Greek, Armenian or Turkish, they have been called Lazes by the rest of Anatolia for centuries and this phenomenom still persists to this day. It is probably the one region in the region which has preserved its genetic profile for thousands of years and still does, unlike Greece or Anatolia whose native populations have been dilluted with Turks, Slavs and Albanians. On the cover it may look like things changed, but neither the "Greek Colonies" or "Turkish Settlers" have had any genetic impact on the population.
While it is very interesting and it might be sad that Romeika is dying in Turkey, one has to realize that the Pontic Muslims has a lot more to gain from embracing a Muslim and Turkish identity rather than a Greek one (or even their original one Laz before Hellenization by the Orthodox Church). Pontic Muslims are the dominant group in trade and government in Turkey and also have a high group cohesion, even though they have fully embraced a Turkish identity. The cultural diffrence between Trabzon and the rest of the Turkey is very sharp. I know the same diffrence exists in Greece, where Pontic Greeks are negatively prejudiced as short-tempered and aggressive (usually pontic greeks beat the greek kids in schools). Diffrence is Pontic Greeks don't have a their own cities or territories in Greece and will probably vanish in Greece before the 22nd century. In Turkey they still live in their ancestral homelands and will probably keep their genetic and cultural profile in-tact for hundred of years to come.
For Pontian Greeks that actually care about preserving their culture, you only shot at this is moving back to Turkey.
I know plenty of pontians in Australia who are manipulative and quick to get into heated arguments. An attitude that is taught and considered the norm within the pontic community.
Furthermore, many have had DNA testing and have found to have larger percentages of DNA from Turks and the Caucasus rather than Greek.
Insecure laz found
The correct name is "Euxeinos Pontos",Lazica is what Laz people call it.Stop this "assimilated Laz" horsehit
New propaganda after a total demolition of the well promoted fairytale re Central Asian descent of people of Trabzon.
@@nikim5051Man, have Pontic Greeks offended you somehow in Australia? It sounds very personal. Do not hate them, there are many not bad Pontic Greeks also.
As a greek Orthodox from Anatolia it disgusts me seeing the modern pontic Greeks supporting Attaturk and being Muslims
They are traitors but you have to pitty them they where brainwhashed
Hain olanlar türk topragindan sürüldüler olmayanlari Atatürk türk vatandasliginla mükafatlandirdi karadeniz insani türkiyenin en zenginleri ne mutlu türküm diyene !
Muslims , Christians.... Orthodox, Catholic, Coptic, Shia, Sunni, Sufi.... Abrahamic religions always divided and never united.
GREEKS is all there is in the Mediterranean.
From Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya..... to France, Italy, Albania.... to Ukraine, Georgia, Turkey....
немає землі, немає народу, немає народу, немає мови!
Biggest supporters of Erdogan!
Its because Erdogan invests in these remote areas of Turkey whereas the more Europhilic parties in Turkey do not
Ahahah cidden öylen
No, we are not. If you look at the election results, Tonya and Çaykara districts are actually some of the least conservative voters in the wider region (Trabzon, Rize, Bayburt, Gümüşhane provinces). Still a heavy majority for conservative parties, but a strong secular minority! The biggest supporters of Erdogan can be found in the surrounding areas where they have Armenian heritage (not Greek), such as the other provinces that I named. Also the support for Erdogan is much higher in Central Anatolia and the western Black Sea region.
@@i.k.8868 Tonya -> 61% AKP
Çaykara -> 65% AKP
Don’t kid yourself! The Black sea region has always been electing the major conservative party throughout the history of the republic. Islamic traditions and conservative values are strictly undeniable in those regions…
@@bumin6451 Read my post again, and compare those results with adjacent districts in Rize, Bayburt and Gümüshane. There they vote 80-90÷ for AKP. Like I said, Tonya and Caykara have a heavy concervative majority, but a strong secular minority. So definitely NOT the biggest supporters of Erdogan!
black sea greeks were massacred in the thousands and these people’s ancestors’ identity and most importantly religion were forcefully changed by the ottomans same goes to some villagers of armenian decent living east of pontus that speak armenian but identify as turkish muslims. I just cant imagine what horrible things the ottomans did to the christians of that region from Armenians to Black sea greeks to the Assyrians. may they all rest in peace and for these living descendants to go back to theur roots again.
You lived under ottoman like 450 years. If they wanted change ur religion and language they could easily so you wouldnt be able to talk Greek rn.
@@devshnn thats what they exactly did for 450 years non muslims used to pay jezya( islamic tax on non muslims) and even blood tax. people were technically forced to convert just like bosnians and albanias
@@neenabzamro3759 You know even 1900s Greeks and Armenians has identity and make freely trade in Istanbul. Pontus Greeks wanted free state and rebellion such as Armenians decided to rebellion with Russian support. So we had to kill bandits. If you wonder my old grandfather was armless (amputee arm) due to pontus Greek bandit attack when he's 10 y.o. I mean no one is innocent so please stop playing victim 😇
@@devshnn are you serious now? I mean youre technically saying what your government told you to believe. but the question here is why would they rebel? what was the reason for? I do t have the time or the energy to tell you why because the list is long. best thing to do is to do a research and find the atrocities that the ottomans committed against their christian population. Christianity used to account for over 30% but now its not even 1 percent i wonder what happened. and no dont tell me the exchange
That’s very sad to see
Why?
Why,are you uncomfortable hahahahahhaah,
Это мне напоминает захваты инопланетянами людей и обращение в свою непонятную веру из корабля звучит это непонятные звуки и они падают и бьют челом
Bro, Bruh. İts my village, so no one can speak greek in my village. Maybe someones know greek in the east of Trabzon. But this video isnt true.
I dont think that they are Greek given that they have Kemal's portraits all over the place.
The need to come back to Christianity
Christianity destroyed the Great Roman Empire. You know that in the Roman Empire they performed operations on the cornea of the eye. All these beliefs and myths, which came from the Jewish desert, did not give anything progressive to the world. Science and art degraded for many centuries with the advent of Christianity and then Islam.
@@greenpeace6433 ehhh, you are actually wrong. the fall of the roman empire has nothing to do with any religion. internal strife, incompetent rulers and the huge number of outside enemies(vandals, goths etc) that kept attacking non stop, is what destroyed the western(not the eastern) roman empire. i believe that it is for the best not to talk if you do not know.
They need to know their Greek origins mostly (if they don't). I think associating religion with an ethnic identity is outdated. It is perfectly normal for a Greek to be Muslim, especially when he/she lives in a Muslim country.
@@21LeonidasZ agreed religion and culture get mixed up way too much and let’s be honest not many people are going to be religious within the next few generations
@@21LeonidasZ They’re not Greek origin! 😂 They’re Anatolians who were colonized by Greeks, we may speak Greek or Turkish, Muslim or Christian but we’re all Anatolian in origin, not European.
Are they Greek or Turkish people?
We'll they had Greek DNA and Greek language but the most of this people call her self Turks (her population was 345.000)
@@greektv5492 that’s how the Ottoman Empire works. You convert, you are now a Turk and have privileges.
Ethnic Greeks who have converted to Islam and assimilated into the Turkish population
@@olbiomoiros That’s a lie greek. The Ottoman gived everybody the freedom to believe in what they want. Even when Istanbul was conquered.
@@turquaturan4533 Not completely true. Especially in the Iyidere and Of regions, there were forced conversions in the 18th and 19th centuries. Some local derebeys and imams were zealots, and went hard after the Christians. This area is also where the religious opposition to the late Ottoman and Kemalist reforms started. If you are interested in this history, which still shapes Turkish politics today, I would suggest the book 'A nation of Empire' by Michael Meeker.
They betrayed Armenians and sided with turks, and still most of them flee at the end of 1920.
Don't talk nonsense.
i am Greek pondi, and i dont see them as greek or pondi, they are turk muslims fascist now, so for me i dont care about them, but pondi in armenia, russia ukraine, greece etc its my familey greatings from a greek who lives in sweden
Yes
I share your opinion brother. I am an orthodox pontos greek from Germany 🇬🇷☦️
İ am from Trabzon. We are the most nationatist area all around the Turkey. So we have nothing to do with you
Sweet. Gotta love the ignorance ! U can hate us all u want - it doesn't change the fact that we share the same genes, culture , language etc.
Don't call us fascists either , just because we love Turkey - the country we live in. Sometimes I truly don't understand what the Christian pontics expect from us Muslim ones. Are we supposed to hate Turkey ? Is that what u want ?
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Apaçık ihanet etmeni istiyorlar. Pkk gibi kurşun sık, kardeş kanı akıt, iç savaş çıkar, bölmeye çalış, başkalarının vesayet savaşına alet ol istiyorlar. Bunlar hep böyleydi ve hep böyle kalacaklar. Sen tamamen onlardan olana kadar onlar asla senden razı olmayacak ve seni öteki görecekler. Aralarında en zararsız, cana yakın görüneni bile bir yerde senin Türkiye'ye, Türk milletine, Türk devletine olan uzaklığına, tersliğine hoş bakacaktır. Ben Türk hissediyorum ve Türkler benim kardeşimdir de, en hümanisti bile rahatsız olur.
They lost the Greek identity.They are turks.
@SarrumSaBabilim they will remember their origin when we defeat you. . blood is blood they are Greeks
@@geo3336 Lol you should worry whether greek language can survive this century
@@jackholler3572 it has survived thousands of years mongol
@@geo3336 It is because of our tolerance you slave
@TK Lol we worth 100 times than greece.We are even more benefical to europe than you. You are not even a player.
They speak Greek and the poster of ataturk is crying behind them 🤣
they speak greek and proudly an voluntuarily put ataturk posters. it should be you crying:)
@@SB-ik1yi dude, you are not even Turks , you are mixed tribes compiled together trying hard to unite them with fake nationalism, you even have 30 mil Kurds inside you lol Here in mainland we are 100% Greeks if you except immigrants ,There are still Greek speakers in Turkey many more than you think , who is crying ? lol
@@DaimonaC nobody is hundred percent that nation. we reigned three continents, and of course people mixed, married etc.you have sailor ancestors, do you consider they did not ? kurds are not minorities by the way. not all of them but there are seperatists, there are turks, albanians and macedonians in greece. but dont feel upset with that. overcome being a racist.
@@SB-ik1yi after the 1950’s anti-Greek pogrom of Constantinople , you made all Greeks flee the city. Since then, there is NOT SUCH THING as turk in Greece, forget them, they are Muslim Greeks. Macedonians ? I am Macedonian. If you mean the Bulgarians of fyrom, nah. Albos? They came as immigrants , dude , wtf are talking about ? Kurds are living in Anatolia before even Greeks came lol I’m not a racist , your country is.
@@Jedart98 understand what ? Them ? We have the same language I understand everything they say .
The Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 between Greece and Turkey provided for the exchange of population. The Greeks would go to Greece and the Turks would go to Turkey. The Greek state lied and filled the ships with Albanian Muslims, considering them Turks only because they were Muslims, even though they did not know a word of Turkish. They forced them to their lands of thousands of years and took them to the desert plains of Anatolia. While the Pontiac population was exiled to Greece just because they were Orthodox, even though they did not know a word of Greek. They told you that they were the descendants of Aristotle and they believe even today that they are the descendants of Aristotle. You yourself are saying that you should preserve your language by passing it on to your children. It means that you are not Greek and speak a language different from Greek.
The only Orthodox Greek people who came here from Turkey by treaty of Lausanne where the people who lived in Kapadokia and all these people spoke only the Turkish language nothing else all the others had been spoken Greek
Keine Untertitel 🖕🖕🖕
Not Greek. Romaika👍
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Romaika is Hellenic dialect. So it is greek. They dont call it Greek because they never lived in todays Greece. They lived in the byyantine empire. so its normal that they call themselfs as Romaioi or just Pont. But in the end of they day they have similar dna to Hellas, Greece
as a pontic greek who doesn’t know pontic i don’t understand a thing
Yunanistan turkiyete iki saat dayanamaz OHİ
Savaş çığırtganlığı yapma
@@kaderdeniz6760 savaş kesin malesef her halükarda kesin farkında olmak lazım yani 2030 kadar bu savaş olacak gerek siyasi gerek hadislerde bile var
turkiye ayni anda tum balkanlara ve irana karsi savasabilcek gucte turklerin askeri zekasi 4000 bin senedir bizi buralara tasidi NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE
Your name is turgay?
@@geogeo2299 It is an old Turkıc name, meaning warrior and heroic bird.
end of the day they r turks
The Pontian language is not Greek. Just because they mix a few Greek words into their own dialect doesn't mean that they are Greek. And those few Greek words they use, they say them wrong. They have simply copied them and added them to their dialect.
Pontians are not Greek, and their culture has nothing to do with Greek. They have no Greek characteristics or connections to be called Greeks.
These are their own creations!
What branch of the Indo-European tree is it on?
@@tom_traveler clarify the question...
@@tom_traveler bro it literally is the closest to ancient greek and has a lot of greek culture what are you on
Very convenient opinion for a turk. Not only they are greek but they use ancient greek idioms that modern Greeks no longer use. Since they were converted to islam by force (kilic musulman) at the first centuries they were "krypto christians" who were muslims by day and practiced christian worship secretely at nights....
I totally agree, these Greeks are kidding themselves.
Roman-GReek people❤