Since Josh Rosen was picked 9th, he won't be up there with Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf as the biggest busts of all time, but honestly with how horrible and cocky he was, he should be included. That's just my opinion. And you can't say he hasn't had chances because he's had plenty.
Hard agree, he is honestly one of the top 5 worst QBs I've seen play in recent memory. 4 of the 7 teams (!) he's played for since he's been drafted he didn't even sniff the field. As somebody who was drafted to be a team's new franchise QB and is out of the NFL already, Josh Rosen should be considered up there with Leaf and Jamarcus as an all-time bust 🤢
@@thomasethant whoops I meant to say 10th haha I guess my brain was thinking of the time he said “there were 9 mistakes made before me” or something like that and put 9th lol
I’ll never forget I couldn’t understand HOW Rosen crashed and burned so miserable in Arizona..then I saw an interview during the following offseason in Miami where he basically said, “it doesn’t matter if I’m getting first team reps right now, this is going to be my team anyways.” I was like…yep..pretty much explains everything.
For those of you wondering, with the pick traded for Minkah Fitzpatrick, the Miami Dolphins selected T, Austin Jackson from USC, with the 18th pick in the 2020 Draft
It's a bit misleading to say Josh Allen turned around a team that had had only one playoff appearance in the previous 18 years, because that sole appearance was at the end of the 2017 season, in January 2018 - the same year Josh was drafted. In other words, he joined a team that was already improving. Or perhaps more accurately (as the Bills were actually worse in 2018 than the year before), he joined an organization that was already on the right track, having finally found competent coaching and management. Credit to Allen for having a career so far that most 'experts' couldn't foresee. But as we've seen with other top talents whose NFL careers never got off the ground, landing in the right environment makes all the difference between individual success and failure.
Why is everyone saying Josh Allen had a bad year with the amount of picks he threw when it was less than the year before😂. People need to check the stats before talking out their ass.
Players like Kolton Miller show that you gotta be patient with some guys. Raiders fans wanted him gone after that rookie year, and now, we would be lost without him locking down the left side.
Well they hind 20/20 but I think a lot of thought right when saying the panthers where problem soon as goes to rams lights it up then wins comeback player of the year with bucs if do video in 4 months for 6 yrs I’d say B or B+ is a very fair rating
Tampa fan here. People just don't understand how valuable Vita Vea is. Simply put, he made our pass rush happen. He doesn't get sacks because he gets double teamed every play and still drives the pocket, making it so QB's can't step up. He was our best line of scrimmage defender, even in a season where we had JPP, Suh, and 19 sack Shaq Barrett. When we lost him during our Championship year, our pass rush struggled and our team struggled. When he came back in the postseason, it was like the lights when on. Our Dline wrecked everyone, up to and including the Mahomes Chiefs. I mean, the dude is a 350+ pound nose tackle who is strong even for his size, yet he has the feet to get snaps at edge. You see it in the clip here. The man is an absolute monster,
It’s definitely interesting that in 2018 the qbs who did the best were the two who were considered risky projects Allen and Jackson, and the ones that were the safer ones like Rosen haven’t panned out.
I understand the idea of not drafting a RB at the top of the draft but the giants kinda did fine.. sure running back is replacable but barkley was a bit more than that with his explosive pass catching. And i honestly think as far as impact goes the only thing that would have been better was a QB or a stud offensive lineman.
The problem with Barkley is that he's not actually that impactful on average. One big breakaway run every game or two isn't what wins games - it's efficiency, keeping the chains moving, getting those consistent 4-5 yards per run that help keep the playbook open. If your RB cant provide that, then he's a liability. And then putting a RB like him behind a lackluster OL was a double whammy of dumb, making the pick even worse. He's a highlight machine, but over the course of a game, he's not what the Giants needed at all. For a #2 overall pick, it was terrible. I think 'B' is super generous, and will look even moreso when Giants cant get much trade capital for him due to injury concerns.
@@maynardburger maybe if you were watching Barkley under judge and even Shermer he was more of a big play back. Under kafka and daboll though I'll give him credit he was not dancing behind the oline much at all. He seemed like he was Consistantly getting good yardage. I think this was the best rushing attack the Giants have had in a long time. Especially when you factor how much more they ran daniel.
Also to the Josh Allen point and this is no Knock on Allen but if Allen had to play behind those bad Giants Offensive lines lack of receivers/saquon and deal with shurmur/Judge as a head coach instead of daboll I don't think he is as good as he is now. I think people get to hung up on the running back value thing if you draft a player in the top 5 that is elite at his position and in 5 years helps your team win its first playoff game in a decade I think that is at least an A-
That Vita Vea take is hot garbage; it's A. Go watch his impact on the run-game and he does get pressure on the QB and that bring as a Nose Tackle that takes double teams almost every snap to just move him from his spot. His presence is legitimately the difference for the Bucs D being Average or hot sh*t when he's out
With the Jets, keep in mind they swap 1st rounders with the Colts two weeks prior and gave up three additional 2nd rounders all to be in position to take Darnold, Allen or Rosen
One thing about Vita Vea. When he got drafted, he was and outfit with the redskins colors ruffles and all. But the Bucs picked him the previous pick. Thank goodness
Rosen is awful and absolutely a bust and a F grade. However, giving Darnold a pass because of the poor situation around him while completely ignoring that the situation that Rosen was drafted into was actually worse is disingenuous. Sam Darnold is a F as well.
Quenton Nelson is so good that he got Mike McGlinchey drafted. I know that is an exaggeration, but McGlinchy would not have been a top 15 selection if he had played next to a scrub at guard. As a 49ers fan, he had average-to-but written all over him and I was disappointed when i heard his name called. At least he is somebody else's problem now.
Bradley Chubb was a good player for the Broncos excpt he spent so much time on IR that it was not worth it to pay him. In 2 of his 4 seasons with the Broncos he played less than half a season.
So I have to disagree about Josh Allen, me personally you have to remember he was not that good at the beginning of his career. And to this day he still throws many interceptions, he is still though a very good pick and has turned the Bills from a terrible excuse for a football team to a contender. I would have stuck with A.
The whole reason Minkah Fitzpatrick was traded to Pittsburgh was because he felt like he was playing out of position and didn't like the way the Dolphins were headed.
Cool video except I don’t get why you dove deeper into the stats & story of guys like Miller/Chubb to then just breeze through the Mayfield stats during his tenure in Cleveland.
Da'ron Payne was a great pick for Washington, but the rest of that draft was a disaster. We thought we were getting a steal in Derrius Guice, but injuries and him being a dumbass ran him out of the league. The only other players of significance was Tim Settle, who was a solid reserve and is doing well in Buffalo, and Troy Apke, who has hung around on special teams, but has been a disappointment as a safety.
I will stand on this hill until I die: Sam Darnold's talent was absolutely flushed down the toilet by bad coaching. All 5 years of his career. Adam Gase is terrible, and we all know this. But fewer people realize just how much Matt Rhule's quarterback coaching was a factory of sadness. He arguably ruined or at least hurt the careers of: Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Will Grier, Matt Corral, Baker Mayfield, and Sam Darnold, all in just 2 years and 5 games. The only one whose career he objectively helped is PJ Walker's, and that's only because of their prior connection at Temple and PJ's extreme dedication to the game in the XFL to get back to respectability. He plays great backup ball under any coach, because he's a grinder. Everyone else who played under him was sentenced to die. And it isn't a coincidence that once Matt Rhule was gone, Sam came in and played the best ball of his career, going 4-2 and putting up great numbers until Week 18, when absolutely nothing was at stake for either team and everyone had at that point run out of gas. Steve Wilks, an actual NFL head coach, unlike Rhule and Gase, was able to get the most out of his talents with zero prep work. Going to SF might end up saving his career because if Trey Lance doesn't pan out and Brock Purdy winds up getting injured again, I am confident this guy can go out and do what Shanahan needs him to do when called upon. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Agree with you. Didn't want to move on from Sam but rather try to build around him the proper way. The problem is when these high draft pick QBs move on from the team that originally drafted them, they have the "damaged goods" label and it'll very hard to turn around their careers. For instance, I still feel Arizona is pampering Kyler M, but if he gets traded to another team, then the kid gloves are off.
I highly disagree about the Saquon Grade. If he was healthy, he is a top 5 talent all time, he runs like barry sanders, but has that receiving aspect down to a t. Saquon is basically a better CMC when healthy. He is literally what carried us last year to the playoffs, just as a top 5 draft pick qb should. Easily an A or A+ pick.
i think a lot of people dont understand/value how important a coaching staff and the talent around is for a young players development. especially a QB. we see it all the time, the have the talent and can sling the ball with the best of them but they have a coach like Adam Gase and get ruined
Lamar didn’t fit in the Saints system. Davenport was “on the rise” by “draft experts” and seemed like a solid pick. His 1/2 sack last year proved 2021 was a fluke season.
Call me a terrible person but I enjoyed the downfall of Rosen. K-state played UCLA in the Cactus bowl and even though he sat out they would nonstop talk about him and show him all throughout the game, even when plays were going on they would rather talk and show him then the actual game and it was all about how great and amazing he will be and probably win a Superbowl early in his career. (K-state won that bowl game fyi lol)
I remember when Josh Allen was the top ranked QB by most analysts going into the draft and it seemed like the Browns were going to take him at #1. But then about 4-5 days before the draft a news report came out about how Josh Allen used a racial slur in a tweet from when he was 14 years old (I think he was quoting some rap lyrics). Then all the lunatics came out trashing him and calling him a racist and his stock took a hit. Several local reporters in Cleveland mentioned that Dorsey had Allen locked in as his #1 pick, but he ended up dropping him from his board after that report came out. Don't know if it was the same for the Jets, but I remember being absolutely dumbfounded when Baker's name was called with the first pick. I was hoping those reports about Dorsey dropping Allen were wrong (Dorsey was the reason why Mahomes ended up in KC after all and Allen had the skill set to be just as good as him). Baker was like the 5th rated QB in that draft, but analysts were talking him up real good in the weeks leading up to the draft itself. Dorsey would hit on several picks in that draft (Ward, Chubb) but I'll never forget how he botched that 1st pick.
Don't remember Allen being #1 in any draft board. The battle cry was "Suck for Sam" so when Darnold fell to #3, I was ecstatic. I really wanted Allen but felt #3 was too high to pick him. Typical Jets luck, too low for 2018 and too high for 2021. But I also have no doubt if we drafted Allen, we would've screwed him up too.
I agree Dorsey botched the #1 pick. However you are wrong about Dorsey having Allen as his number one guy. Dorsey was all in on Baker from very early in the process. We outsiders had various views on who the number 1 guy should be. There was no consensus that year. Some in the Cleveland media such as Mary Cay Cabot loved Allen, others such as Terry Pluto thought Rosen (yikes) was the best. Mel Kiper loved Allen as the #1 guy. I think most had Darnold at #1. The analytics community loved Baker, which is a bit ironic since Dorsey disdained analytics in favor of football guys. Dorsey loved Baker's arm and accuracy but most of all he loved his leadership/moxie. Dorsey believed a Cleveland qb, given the history of failure, needed that kind of arrogance to be successful. It worked to an extent, until it didn't. The slur tweet had nothing to do with the Brown's selection. Again, I don't know if you are familiar with John Dorsey, but he hired a coach that the owner and analytics portion of the front office did not approve of (Freddie Kitchens) because he had final say. Dorsey was fired because he did not want to fire Kitchens or loose final say. Dorsey does not care about what non-football people think and believe. So to think that if he believed Josh Allen was his number #1 choice at qb and that he would be scared off because of alleged junior high racial slur tweets on the eve of the draft is laughable. (As a side note you believe Browns ownership could have pressured Dorsey because of possible negative public opinion about the tweet, they never would have signed Deshaun Watson.) Allen is great. The Browns got it wrong....... again. Nothing new to see here, move along.😃
Idk how I feel about Darnold. I really don’t think he had a chance in the nfl going to the jets. He could have been solid if he started with a better team.
I feel Josh Allen is a bit overrated the division has been down a few years now. I’m interested to see how they do this year as the afc gets stronger. If tua stays healthy Miami gives them a run for the division title this year
Im so glad you only rated Edmonds an “A”…. i would have probably gone with “A-“ but your rating was fair….so many ppl talk about how hes this amazing player….hes an absolute liability in run defense and above average in coverage….his loss will not be the huge loss ppl seem to think
Kolton Miller deserves a "D" for the simple fact that no other team had him going in the 1st or 2nd rounds. So the Raiders could've drafted Edmunds or James (their biggest needs on defense) and then drafted Miller in the 3rd. Raiders are total idiots when it comes to the draft. Sam Darnold should be "INC" for incomplete. He'll have his best season with the Vikings and will eventually receive at least a "B."
If the browns or jets would have drafted Josh Allen there is a high possibility he would have been a bust not saying darnold or baker are elite talent like Allen but both of organizations are terrible at developing a qb
This guy gives out high grade way too much. A+ are for Mahomes level picks. As are for Allen level picks. Most of these need to be knocked town at least half a grade
Vita Vea only a B+ WTF are you smoking? Especially considering some of the A's you handed out. Also you overestimate the value of pro bowls. A) How many times has some older vet in his last year gotten a nod instead of younger player that deserved it just because the older player was retiring? B) How many time has popular player on popular team always on TV gets voters instead of player on a bad team that rarely is on TV in a smaller market gets ignored? C) Since players miss the pro bowl due to injury or playing in the SB or just not wanting to be in it you get 5th, 6th or 7th best players getting pro bowl nods. How are these legitimate? The 7th best starting QB out of 16 in a conference gets a pro bowl because 4 of the top 6 aren't in it and that is legit? If there was no fan voting and only the top 3 voter getters counted as legit pro bowlers you might have case for using them
It's kind of funny you had all these excuses in the chamber for Darnold but never mentioned Arizona's organization being a historic trash fire when talking about Rosen. No one could have succeeded in that situation. Not that Rosen is good or anything, but there's really no daylight between him and Darnold.
There’s no way to justify the pick of somebody who was the consensus best runningback in the league for at least a year??? You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Baker Mayfield is not an NFL QB. Given that the Browns could have drafted any player in that class, there is no way that the draft choice can be a "C". That goes even if Mayfield had a "C" career, which he hasn't, and won't. The draft pick should have returned a starter for ten years. Mayfield's lack of talent did not fit into the salary structure for the pick position. All that must come into consideration because, again, the Browns could have drafted anyone else. If that draft move isn't an "F", it is damned close. A "D-" is generous.
Since Josh Rosen was picked 9th, he won't be up there with Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf as the biggest busts of all time, but honestly with how horrible and cocky he was, he should be included. That's just my opinion. And you can't say he hasn't had chances because he's had plenty.
I completely agree
Hey! Who said you could take a brake from narrating LSD horror stories?
10th pick but yes I agree
Hard agree, he is honestly one of the top 5 worst QBs I've seen play in recent memory. 4 of the 7 teams (!) he's played for since he's been drafted he didn't even sniff the field. As somebody who was drafted to be a team's new franchise QB and is out of the NFL already, Josh Rosen should be considered up there with Leaf and Jamarcus as an all-time bust 🤢
@@thomasethant whoops I meant to say 10th haha I guess my brain was thinking of the time he said “there were 9 mistakes made before me” or something like that and put 9th lol
I’ll never forget I couldn’t understand HOW Rosen crashed and burned so miserable in Arizona..then I saw an interview during the following offseason in Miami where he basically said, “it doesn’t matter if I’m getting first team reps right now, this is going to be my team anyways.” I was like…yep..pretty much explains everything.
Yep....delusions of grandeur😅😂
or just confidence, if Brady or Lamar said that everybody would b hyping em up ridin their D so stfu n gtfoh
The 9 mistakes are the teams that will sign Rosen at some point
For those of you wondering, with the pick traded for Minkah Fitzpatrick, the Miami Dolphins selected T, Austin Jackson from USC, with the 18th pick in the 2020 Draft
What a shame
Thank you good sir
that shouldn’t really change the grade though
Put minkah was refusing to play for the dolphins so either way it wasn’t gonna work
Yea Jackson is an F
Josh Allen, thank you buffalo 😂
the rest of the AFC thank
s the bills for taking and paying JA as it garantees the bills will not make the SB
@@simonglancy7070 there’s no guarantees in the nfl, you’re just tryna sound like an ass
@@simonglancy7070man josh Allen is just stuck in your head, always commenting about him
@@simonglancy7070 average Miami fan
@@simonglancy7070Unless you’re a chiefs fan I doubt your QB is better than Allen😂
My Dawg Josh Allen is the pride of the Valley RN. Buffalo west is what we call Firebaugh😂
It's a bit misleading to say Josh Allen turned around a team that had had only one playoff appearance in the previous 18 years, because that sole appearance was at the end of the 2017 season, in January 2018 - the same year Josh was drafted. In other words, he joined a team that was already improving. Or perhaps more accurately (as the Bills were actually worse in 2018 than the year before), he joined an organization that was already on the right track, having finally found competent coaching and management. Credit to Allen for having a career so far that most 'experts' couldn't foresee. But as we've seen with other top talents whose NFL careers never got off the ground, landing in the right environment makes all the difference between individual success and failure.
Why is everyone saying Josh Allen had a bad year with the amount of picks he threw when it was less than the year before😂. People need to check the stats before talking out their ass.
Players like Kolton Miller show that you gotta be patient with some guys. Raiders fans wanted him gone after that rookie year, and now, we would be lost without him locking down the left side.
I agree with the grades, good job.
Baker is the absolutely perfect definition of a C. Some very high moments but equally terrible moments. Good vid!
Thank you!
Well they hind 20/20 but I think a lot of thought right when saying the panthers where problem soon as goes to rams lights it up then wins comeback player of the year with bucs if do video in 4 months for 6 yrs I’d say B or B+ is a very fair rating
True but he looked great last season! I think he found his spot, really happy for him.
@@GabeManDog definitely, that’s why I said some very high moments lol
Another banger 🔥
You should do the 2022 2nd round 1 year later
Think he did already
Tampa fan here. People just don't understand how valuable Vita Vea is. Simply put, he made our pass rush happen. He doesn't get sacks because he gets double teamed every play and still drives the pocket, making it so QB's can't step up. He was our best line of scrimmage defender, even in a season where we had JPP, Suh, and 19 sack Shaq Barrett. When we lost him during our Championship year, our pass rush struggled and our team struggled. When he came back in the postseason, it was like the lights when on. Our Dline wrecked everyone, up to and including the Mahomes Chiefs.
I mean, the dude is a 350+ pound nose tackle who is strong even for his size, yet he has the feet to get snaps at edge. You see it in the clip here. The man is an absolute monster,
Vita Vea when healthy is one of the best DTs in the league, dudes presence alone makes that defense better he’s an A
As always thanks for the spicy content! 🙏🏻
Josh Rosen's career ambition is to play for every team in the league, whether on the main team or practice squad. He is well on his way.
I'd take the money he's already been paid which is over 18.7 million.
When it comes to Chubb, I do think the broncos got good value when trading him for a first rounder, but still, Chubb has been underwhelming
Still can’t believe the dolphins gave up a first rounder for him in a contract year. Even when healthy he’s just above average
It’s definitely interesting that in 2018 the qbs who did the best were the two who were considered risky projects Allen and Jackson, and the ones that were the safer ones like Rosen haven’t panned out.
What’s even crazier to think about is that in the 2018 season baker was the only one to have a good season
Minkah is my favorite Alabama defensive player that has played in my lifetime. He was a pick machine at Bama.
The Grade are pretty accurate this time… Great Job getting this together!
Impressive by headband Henny playing in the background 🔥🔥
vita vea is a menace not always about stats man
He's right in the conversation with guys like Cam Heyward, Quinnen Williams, and Jeffrey Simmons as being one of the best DTs in the NFL.
@@TheAndyk123 yeah for sure man
Allen changed how scouts looked into prospects. Sometimes even to their detriment.
Lamar Jackson changed how scouts looked into prospects.
Sometimes even into their detriment.
Thanks for the vid
@9:00 - not gonna lie, you had me in the first half :P
I understand the idea of not drafting a RB at the top of the draft but the giants kinda did fine.. sure running back is replacable but barkley was a bit more than that with his explosive pass catching. And i honestly think as far as impact goes the only thing that would have been better was a QB or a stud offensive lineman.
yeah that was a bad grade imo, no one knew what josh allen would be either
The problem with Barkley is that he's not actually that impactful on average. One big breakaway run every game or two isn't what wins games - it's efficiency, keeping the chains moving, getting those consistent 4-5 yards per run that help keep the playbook open. If your RB cant provide that, then he's a liability. And then putting a RB like him behind a lackluster OL was a double whammy of dumb, making the pick even worse. He's a highlight machine, but over the course of a game, he's not what the Giants needed at all. For a #2 overall pick, it was terrible. I think 'B' is super generous, and will look even moreso when Giants cant get much trade capital for him due to injury concerns.
@@maynardburger maybe if you were watching Barkley under judge and even Shermer he was more of a big play back. Under kafka and daboll though I'll give him credit he was not dancing behind the oline much at all. He seemed like he was Consistantly getting good yardage. I think this was the best rushing attack the Giants have had in a long time. Especially when you factor how much more they ran daniel.
Also to the Josh Allen point and this is no Knock on Allen but if Allen had to play behind those bad Giants Offensive lines lack of receivers/saquon and deal with shurmur/Judge as a head coach instead of daboll I don't think he is as good as he is now. I think people get to hung up on the running back value thing if you draft a player in the top 5 that is elite at his position and in 5 years helps your team win its first playoff game in a decade I think that is at least an A-
This is the first time I've completely agreed with a draft grade list. Well done.
Good analysis and very funny.
Yessir! It's a great day whenever you upload. You spit straight facts every single vid.
“This is a hard D” - Garret
Shoutout Sam darnold lol
Amazing video man!!
The Browns f**ked up letting Baker go. He was the dude they needed
Watson is who they deserve though
You did a good job I can’t disagree with any of your opinions, I do have to say, though the Jets is where quarterbacks careers go to die.
i agree with the chubb rating even though i think it should be a straight B because they did get a first out of him
That Vita Vea take is hot garbage; it's A. Go watch his impact on the run-game and he does get pressure on the QB and that bring as a Nose Tackle that takes double teams almost every snap to just move him from his spot. His presence is legitimately the difference for the Bucs D being Average or hot sh*t when he's out
For those wondering Why Fitzpatrick was traded from Miami, don't ask his wife, unless you want to end up on her diss track.
His wife raps!?😊
With the Jets, keep in mind they swap 1st rounders with the Colts two weeks prior and gave up three additional 2nd rounders all to be in position to take Darnold, Allen or Rosen
i’d also keep in mind what they got back from the panthers when they shipped rosen off which was way more than anyone would think
@@lucanichilo5324 you mean Darnold?
One thing about Vita Vea. When he got drafted, he was and outfit with the redskins colors ruffles and all. But the Bucs picked him the previous pick. Thank goodness
Edmonds will regret going to Chicago.
Probably right
Edmunds was not playing at pro bowl level with the bills he was inconsistent always hurt bears overpaid for him hes just a decent starter at best
I would say he just barely was playing at a pro bowl level the man took way too long to develop
12:05 A WHAT?!
Allen A+
Vita a B+? That's a joke. Easily an A
I agree, ask any Offensive Lineman if they think Vita Vea is a B+ player....
Yeah I stopped caring about his opinions after he said that. Basically said he don't know ball publicly.
Rosen is awful and absolutely a bust and a F grade. However, giving Darnold a pass because of the poor situation around him while completely ignoring that the situation that Rosen was drafted into was actually worse is disingenuous. Sam Darnold is a F as well.
Lmfao 😂😅 fair point.
Sam Darnold showed flashes
W vid by goat and keep it yp
Quenton Nelson is so good that he got Mike McGlinchey drafted. I know that is an exaggeration, but McGlinchy would not have been a top 15 selection if he had played next to a scrub at guard. As a 49ers fan, he had average-to-but written all over him and I was disappointed when i heard his name called. At least he is somebody else's problem now.
Are you not gonna do NFC south??
W vid bro
Bradley Chubb was a good player for the Broncos excpt he spent so much time on IR that it was not worth it to pay him. In 2 of his 4 seasons with the Broncos he played less than half a season.
Your link for 17-32 is not attached.
This you got this right
Super generous with the grades
Fun fact: Quenton Nelson actually received votes for OROY after his rookie season.
Daron Payne is easily an A+
Straight facts!
Rosen is just a late bloomer he's got lots of time to get those 7 super bowls hahaha
So I have to disagree about Josh Allen, me personally you have to remember he was not that good at the beginning of his career. And to this day he still throws many interceptions, he is still though a very good pick and has turned the Bills from a terrible excuse for a football team to a contender. I would have stuck with A.
lol he’s a top 5 franchise qb, kinda hard to draft a better player
Vita Vea a B+...WHAT??? He's an A+.
No not A+ he’s more of a A- to A
@@lethalinjection2031 Well he's definitely an A.
The whole reason Minkah Fitzpatrick was traded to Pittsburgh was because he felt like he was playing out of position and didn't like the way the Dolphins were headed.
Cool video except I don’t get why you dove deeper into the stats & story of guys like Miller/Chubb to then just breeze through the Mayfield stats during his tenure in Cleveland.
Da'ron Payne was a great pick for Washington, but the rest of that draft was a disaster. We thought we were getting a steal in Derrius Guice, but injuries and him being a dumbass ran him out of the league. The only other players of significance was Tim Settle, who was a solid reserve and is doing well in Buffalo, and Troy Apke, who has hung around on special teams, but has been a disappointment as a safety.
I will stand on this hill until I die: Sam Darnold's talent was absolutely flushed down the toilet by bad coaching. All 5 years of his career. Adam Gase is terrible, and we all know this. But fewer people realize just how much Matt Rhule's quarterback coaching was a factory of sadness. He arguably ruined or at least hurt the careers of: Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Will Grier, Matt Corral, Baker Mayfield, and Sam Darnold, all in just 2 years and 5 games. The only one whose career he objectively helped is PJ Walker's, and that's only because of their prior connection at Temple and PJ's extreme dedication to the game in the XFL to get back to respectability. He plays great backup ball under any coach, because he's a grinder. Everyone else who played under him was sentenced to die. And it isn't a coincidence that once Matt Rhule was gone, Sam came in and played the best ball of his career, going 4-2 and putting up great numbers until Week 18, when absolutely nothing was at stake for either team and everyone had at that point run out of gas. Steve Wilks, an actual NFL head coach, unlike Rhule and Gase, was able to get the most out of his talents with zero prep work. Going to SF might end up saving his career because if Trey Lance doesn't pan out and Brock Purdy winds up getting injured again, I am confident this guy can go out and do what Shanahan needs him to do when called upon. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Agree with you. Didn't want to move on from Sam but rather try to build around him the proper way. The problem is when these high draft pick QBs move on from the team that originally drafted them, they have the "damaged goods" label and it'll very hard to turn around their careers. For instance, I still feel Arizona is pampering Kyler M, but if he gets traded to another team, then the kid gloves are off.
Yo dude grade the NFC Westttt!
I highly disagree about the Saquon Grade. If he was healthy, he is a top 5 talent all time, he runs like barry sanders, but has that receiving aspect down to a t. Saquon is basically a better CMC when healthy. He is literally what carried us last year to the playoffs, just as a top 5 draft pick qb should. Easily an A or A+ pick.
Overall this was a great draft from picks 1-16
i think a lot of people dont understand/value how important a coaching staff and the talent around is for a young players development. especially a QB. we see it all the time, the have the talent and can sling the ball with the best of them but they have a coach like Adam Gase and get ruined
it’s always so funny when you say that little “nice” after any stat that has the number 69😂
hard d
I look forward to you grading the 2023 draft one year later
Darnold really isn’t that bad, he’s pretty bad but I’d say he’s a D+
The guy was coached by Bowles, Gase, and Rhule. He wasn’t guaranteed to be good, but he was set up to fail.
The Sam darnold pick went well for the jets because they traded him for 2 first rounders
Weird that Chubb's trade to Miami wasn't mentioned.
When the Giants drafted Barkley I asked who was going to block for him? They didn't have an offensive line.
So nice to see draft ratings that mean something. Draft ratings 2 days after the draft when a guy hasn't even stepped on the field make no sense.
Can you rank all rookie cornerback’s from last year
Darnold should be an F+ or D-, idc where you land but 90 turnovers in 55 games is clearly indicative of your failures as a pro.
Baker had a stacked team and still sucked. Big time waste of a 1st overall. Draft grade is a big fat F.
No draft grade video for the AFC West? 🤔
I can’t give him a F cause he had to be on the jets had me dying
“Nice” 😆
The Saints passing on Lamar was a huge error for them (and many other teams) but good for the Ravens!
Lamar didn’t fit in the Saints system. Davenport was “on the rise” by “draft experts” and seemed like a solid pick. His 1/2 sack last year proved 2021 was a fluke season.
Look at the jets pick trade with us 🤣
Call me a terrible person but I enjoyed the downfall of Rosen. K-state played UCLA in the Cactus bowl and even though he sat out they would nonstop talk about him and show him all throughout the game, even when plays were going on they would rather talk and show him then the actual game and it was all about how great and amazing he will be and probably win a Superbowl early in his career. (K-state won that bowl game fyi lol)
Lol Rosen was awful
I remember when Josh Allen was the top ranked QB by most analysts going into the draft and it seemed like the Browns were going to take him at #1. But then about 4-5 days before the draft a news report came out about how Josh Allen used a racial slur in a tweet from when he was 14 years old (I think he was quoting some rap lyrics). Then all the lunatics came out trashing him and calling him a racist and his stock took a hit. Several local reporters in Cleveland mentioned that Dorsey had Allen locked in as his #1 pick, but he ended up dropping him from his board after that report came out.
Don't know if it was the same for the Jets, but I remember being absolutely dumbfounded when Baker's name was called with the first pick. I was hoping those reports about Dorsey dropping Allen were wrong (Dorsey was the reason why Mahomes ended up in KC after all and Allen had the skill set to be just as good as him). Baker was like the 5th rated QB in that draft, but analysts were talking him up real good in the weeks leading up to the draft itself. Dorsey would hit on several picks in that draft (Ward, Chubb) but I'll never forget how he botched that 1st pick.
Don't remember Allen being #1 in any draft board. The battle cry was "Suck for Sam" so when Darnold fell to #3, I was ecstatic. I really wanted Allen but felt #3 was too high to pick him. Typical Jets luck, too low for 2018 and too high for 2021. But I also have no doubt if we drafted Allen, we would've screwed him up too.
@@cc352 Yep. Nobody wanted a QB that couldn't crack 60% comp in college, myself included (Especially in a bad conference).
I agree Dorsey botched the #1 pick. However you are wrong about Dorsey having Allen as his number one guy. Dorsey was all in on Baker from very early in the process. We outsiders had various views on who the number 1 guy should be. There was no consensus that year. Some in the Cleveland media such as Mary Cay Cabot loved Allen, others such as Terry Pluto thought Rosen (yikes) was the best. Mel Kiper loved Allen as the #1 guy. I think most had Darnold at #1. The analytics community loved Baker, which is a bit ironic since Dorsey disdained analytics in favor of football guys. Dorsey loved Baker's arm and accuracy but most of all he loved his leadership/moxie. Dorsey believed a Cleveland qb, given the history of failure, needed that kind of arrogance to be successful. It worked to an extent, until it didn't. The slur tweet had nothing to do with the Brown's selection. Again, I don't know if you are familiar with John Dorsey, but he hired a coach that the owner and analytics portion of the front office did not approve of (Freddie Kitchens) because he had final say. Dorsey was fired because he did not want to fire Kitchens or loose final say. Dorsey does not care about what non-football people think and believe. So to think that if he believed Josh Allen was his number #1 choice at qb and that he would be scared off because of alleged junior high racial slur tweets on the eve of the draft is laughable. (As a side note you believe Browns ownership could have pressured Dorsey because of possible negative public opinion about the tweet, they never would have signed Deshaun Watson.) Allen is great. The Browns got it wrong....... again. Nothing new to see here, move along.😃
The Panthers seemed to like Sam more than Baker
Gawd damn Tremaine 👃🏻
Idk how I feel about Darnold. I really don’t think he had a chance in the nfl going to the jets. He could have been solid if he started with a better team.
I feel Josh Allen is a bit overrated the division has been down a few years now. I’m interested to see how they do this year as the afc gets stronger. If tua stays healthy Miami gives them a run for the division title this year
I disagree with you on Vita Vea he is a beast and worth of the 12th pick so a A plus pick
Im so glad you only rated Edmonds an “A”…. i would have probably gone with “A-“ but your rating was fair….so many ppl talk about how hes this amazing player….hes an absolute liability in run defense and above average in coverage….his loss will not be the huge loss ppl seem to think
Kolton Miller deserves a "D" for the simple fact that no other team had him going in the 1st or 2nd rounds. So the Raiders could've drafted Edmunds or James (their biggest needs on defense) and then drafted Miller in the 3rd. Raiders are total idiots when it comes to the draft.
Sam Darnold should be "INC" for incomplete. He'll have his best season with the Vikings and will eventually receive at least a "B."
If the browns or jets would have drafted Josh Allen there is a high possibility he would have been a bust not saying darnold or baker are elite talent like Allen but both of organizations are terrible at developing a qb
Baker must have seen your video. I would give him a B- to a B now.
Giving Mayfield a C over C- is pushing it. Not b/c he’s a total failure, but b/c he was the #1 pick overall
This guy gives out high grade way too much. A+ are for Mahomes level picks. As are for Allen level picks. Most of these need to be knocked town at least half a grade
Vita Vea only a B+ WTF are you smoking? Especially considering some of the A's you handed out. Also you overestimate the value of pro bowls. A) How many times has some older vet in his last year gotten a nod instead of younger player that deserved it just because the older player was retiring? B) How many time has popular player on popular team always on TV gets voters instead of player on a bad team that rarely is on TV in a smaller market gets ignored? C) Since players miss the pro bowl due to injury or playing in the SB or just not wanting to be in it you get 5th, 6th or 7th best players getting pro bowl nods. How are these legitimate? The 7th best starting QB out of 16 in a conference gets a pro bowl because 4 of the top 6 aren't in it and that is legit? If there was no fan voting and only the top 3 voter getters counted as legit pro bowlers you might have case for using them
It's kind of funny you had all these excuses in the chamber for Darnold but never mentioned Arizona's organization being a historic trash fire when talking about Rosen. No one could have succeeded in that situation. Not that Rosen is good or anything, but there's really no daylight between him and Darnold.
Maybe they purposly knew rosen would suck so they could get a first overall pick the next year.
There’s no way to justify the pick of somebody who was the consensus best runningback in the league for at least a year??? You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Baker Mayfield is not an NFL QB. Given that the Browns could have drafted any player in that class, there is no way that the draft choice can be a "C". That goes even if Mayfield had a "C" career, which he hasn't, and won't. The draft pick should have returned a starter for ten years. Mayfield's lack of talent did not fit into the salary structure for the pick position. All that must come into consideration because, again, the Browns could have drafted anyone else. If that draft move isn't an "F", it is damned close. A "D-" is generous.
You must be a browns fan… I’m sorry for you
Davenport has to be an F just because of what the Saints gave up to get him. That was really the nail in the coffin of the Brees era.