A quick update since last summer. We originally used butyl tape to seal the screws and chainplate gap. This held up for most of the summer but when it started to get cold we noticed leaks that got worse over the winter. It’s finally spring time and warm enough for epoxy and 4200 to cure. So we just refilled everything with epoxy, re-drilled, and then used 4200 to seal everything up. It’s raining quite a bit here this week so hopefully we can see if this stops the leaking. Hope this helps someone out there!
Glad I stumbled on yalls channel, but bummed you e not posted more!! Haha. I appreciate this update though. I am looking at a 78 Catalina 25 this week & I know it's going to need some work.
On my Catalina25 (1986 fin keel, standard rig), I used Boatlife (polysulfide) caulk for securing my chainplates. Doesn’t shrink and never hardens, comes in white, gray and black. You all should join the Catalina-Capri-25s forum for more info on everything about these boats.
A friend just sent me an article from Practical Sailor magazine that confirmed reports that the 3M 4000 flexible bedding compound was failing after approximately 5 years. The article showed the black sealer becoming gooey and oozing down from their portlights. Before it failed, the material had been stable for several years.
i usually drill a hole then put in it a screw or bolt to keep the new pc from moving while drilling the other holes. the next hole on the other side, drill and again use a screw or bolt to keep them sandwiched together. helps insure the pattern will fit the holes in the boat
Thanks for sharing! I appriciate that you showed all the problems. I plan to refinish or replace mine. I was not sure what to expect before watching this video. Also, reading comments from others should help too. Can't wait to get on the water!
About to look at a boat where the owner has openly said the bulkhead is delaminating on one side, glad I found this to see what I'd be getting myself into. Hope all is well on your sailing adventures! Was fun to watch your buying process and first sail.
I ended up picking up a nice clean 1984 Catalina 25. One of those deals we could not walk away from. I found only two leaks so far, one from the hand rail and the other where the electric wires run to the outboard. I will use butyl tape to reseat the hand rails on top. We also plan on redoing the table with a custom table since we do not like that brown color. What is your Jib setup? Our Jib gets hung up on the lifelines and the bow pulpit. So far we love our boat, it floats and sails good. :)
first thing that was good for a laugh was when you said we can do it in a day the next was saying ill get it off MY boat with Her standing right there ,You say OUR boat .
The bulkhead fit is pretty snug, especially with those bottom bolts that took a fair amount of hand work with some files. So I at least wanted to get a test fit with everything all together before we finished it. But the real answer is the two of us couldn't agree on how to finish - paint vs veneer vs stain and what color / style - and we were really impatient and wanted to go sailing! At this point we had bought our first boat but watched it sit in the slip for nearly a month because we didn't trust sailing with the bulkhead so badly rotted.
I would have oversized the holes, filled them with epoxy, and redrilled them to size. Then I would have sealed the whole bulkhead with penetrating epoxy (x2 or x3 on the edges). I also would have considered tabbing the bulkhead to the hull with epoxy and fiberglass. Catalina may have just bolted it in place, but they aren't known for the quality of their manufacturing techniques.
Nope. On a boat that size, particularly one not intended to go off-shore, it isn't absolutely necessary to tab the bulkheads to the hull and deck. However, since the chainplates are bolted to the main bulkhead, tabbing the bulkheads to the hull and deck would distribute the loads and make for a MUCH stronger structure.
Just curious as you said you bought the boat sight unseen. Did the seller have the decency to let you know that the Bulhead had rotted. I hope they would have since that would have seriously affected the selling price .
We bought it from a charity auction. The posting was very clear that there was no guarantee of any condition. We were totally thrilled that the boat was in as good of condition as it was. Honestly, the bulkhead replacement wasn't too bad. The cockpit scupper leak.... That's a whole other story.
I just bought one and am not looking forward to replacing all my plywood. Has anyone taught about Aluminium bulkheads? I am going to race her and the strength and weight savings would be a advantage. Send me your feed back. Thanks Bob.
I don’t see why you couldn’t use a reasonably thick piece of aluminum. Especially if you’re skilled working with aluminum since it definitely wouldn’t be as easy to work with as plywood. I’m not sure how much weight you’d really save. The bulkhead is ...bulky... but not that thick and actually didn’t weigh much. You may be better off removing the stove and fresh and black water tanks if you’re looking to save weight.
Getting ready to purchase a 1982 C25, will be looking at the bulkheads. Did you find any damage (dry rot) around the lower shroud eyebolts on the deck? Maybe the water ran down the eyebolt onto the bulkhead causing the bulkhead rot.
What you could have done was install wood first then drill holes using a self taping wood screw for hard to reach with a screwdriver you could try jacking the cabin top right below where mast step it might make it easier to slide wood back in I did this on a ranger 23 with a friend who got the boat for free just for removing it from a property owner sails mast cushions complete lucky him
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A quick update since last summer. We originally used butyl tape to seal the screws and chainplate gap. This held up for most of the summer but when it started to get cold we noticed leaks that got worse over the winter. It’s finally spring time and warm enough for epoxy and 4200 to cure. So we just refilled everything with epoxy, re-drilled, and then used 4200 to seal everything up. It’s raining quite a bit here this week so hopefully we can see if this stops the leaking. Hope this helps someone out there!
Was about to comment what happened hahah, do u know if the bulkhead was structural to the boat?
Awesome you're still making it work! It must be challenging and freeing at the same time.
Glad I stumbled on yalls channel, but bummed you e not posted more!! Haha. I appreciate this update though. I am looking at a 78 Catalina 25 this week & I know it's going to need some work.
On my Catalina25 (1986 fin keel, standard rig), I used Boatlife (polysulfide) caulk for securing my chainplates. Doesn’t shrink and never hardens, comes in white, gray and black. You all should join the Catalina-Capri-25s forum for more info on everything about these boats.
A friend just sent me an article from Practical Sailor magazine that confirmed reports that the 3M 4000 flexible bedding compound was failing after approximately 5 years. The article showed the black sealer becoming gooey and oozing down from their portlights. Before it failed, the material had been stable for several years.
"Probably don't hit it with a lithium battery " lol, second favorite moment in video, it truly does take a solid crew to make a solid ship.
before installing why didnt you seal the edge, and then poly the entire sheet? now water can seep or wick and youll have the same problem
i usually drill a hole then put in it a screw or bolt to keep the new pc from moving while drilling the other holes. the next hole on the other side, drill and again use a screw or bolt to keep them sandwiched together. helps insure the pattern will fit the holes in the boat
Thanks for sharing! I appriciate that you showed all the problems. I plan to refinish or replace mine. I was not sure what to expect before watching this video. Also, reading comments from others should help too. Can't wait to get on the water!
Good Video. Keep sharing your journey. My wife and I have the exact same boat and are working on it to get it in the water in September.
I loved finding that bulkhead screw with you two...remember to enjoy the beauty of the game.
What a great way to look at it. I shall remember that, thank you.
About to look at a boat where the owner has openly said the bulkhead is delaminating on one side, glad I found this to see what I'd be getting myself into. Hope all is well on your sailing adventures! Was fun to watch your buying process and first sail.
Be sure to re-bed the deck fittings in that area to prevent future leaks.
Congrats, looking forward to seeing the rest of your journey
Great video!
I ended up picking up a nice clean 1984 Catalina 25. One of those deals we could not walk away from. I found only two leaks so far, one from the hand rail and the other where the electric wires run to the outboard. I will use butyl tape to reseat the hand rails on top. We also plan on redoing the table with a custom table since we do not like that brown color.
What is your Jib setup? Our Jib gets hung up on the lifelines and the bow pulpit.
So far we love our boat, it floats and sails good. :)
first thing that was good for a laugh was when you said we can do it in a day the next was saying ill get it off MY boat with Her standing right there ,You say OUR boat .
do you have dimensional plans for the main bulkheads? May need to replace mine in the future and be nice to know before digging them out.
Thanks
Just wondering why you didn't finish the marine plywood prior to installing the bulkhead and chain plates??
The bulkhead fit is pretty snug, especially with those bottom bolts that took a fair amount of hand work with some files. So I at least wanted to get a test fit with everything all together before we finished it. But the real answer is the two of us couldn't agree on how to finish - paint vs veneer vs stain and what color / style - and we were really impatient and wanted to go sailing! At this point we had bought our first boat but watched it sit in the slip for nearly a month because we didn't trust sailing with the bulkhead so badly rotted.
I would have oversized the holes, filled them with epoxy, and redrilled them to size. Then I would have sealed the whole bulkhead with penetrating epoxy (x2 or x3 on the edges). I also would have considered tabbing the bulkhead to the hull with epoxy and fiberglass. Catalina may have just bolted it in place, but they aren't known for the quality of their manufacturing techniques.
Better to leave it loose.
Nope.
On a boat that size, particularly one not intended to go off-shore, it isn't absolutely necessary to tab the bulkheads to the hull and deck. However, since the chainplates are bolted to the main bulkhead, tabbing the bulkheads to the hull and deck would distribute the loads and make for a MUCH stronger structure.
"...but they aren't known for the quality of their manufacturing techniques." The boat is 40 years old. I think that speaks for itself.
is that thing on a trailer? i live in a place where docking space - if available - is about as expensive as renting a condo.
Trailers exist for them, but we don’t have one. Maybe someday.
Just curious as you said you bought the boat sight unseen. Did the seller have the decency to let you know that the Bulhead had rotted. I hope they would have since that would have seriously affected the selling price .
We bought it from a charity auction. The posting was very clear that there was no guarantee of any condition. We were totally thrilled that the boat was in as good of condition as it was. Honestly, the bulkhead replacement wasn't too bad. The cockpit scupper leak.... That's a whole other story.
I just bought one and am not looking forward to replacing all my plywood. Has anyone taught about Aluminium bulkheads? I am going to race her and the strength and weight savings would be a advantage. Send me your feed back. Thanks Bob.
I don’t see why you couldn’t use a reasonably thick piece of aluminum. Especially if you’re skilled working with aluminum since it definitely wouldn’t be as easy to work with as plywood. I’m not sure how much weight you’d really save. The bulkhead is ...bulky... but not that thick and actually didn’t weigh much. You may be better off removing the stove and fresh and black water tanks if you’re looking to save weight.
@@emsailing1625 I am totally skilled in aluminum and starboard materials. I am looking to reduce weight. She will not be a cruiser. Capt, Bob.
Getting ready to purchase a 1982 C25, will be looking at the bulkheads. Did you find any damage (dry rot) around the lower shroud eyebolts on the deck? Maybe the water ran down the eyebolt onto the bulkhead causing the bulkhead rot.
David Pearson: yes, I think this is exactly how the water got in and rotted it out
@@emsailing1625 Inspect the Keel bolts. I just look at a 1982 C25 where three of out of six bolts were rusted away. We pass on that boat.
I would epoxy the whole piece, including edges
What you could have done was install wood first then drill holes using a self taping wood screw for hard to reach with a screwdriver you could try jacking the cabin top right below where mast step it might make it easier to slide wood back in I did this on a ranger 23 with a friend who got the boat for free just for removing it from a property owner sails mast cushions complete lucky him
That is not marine plywood
It might haven better to take down mast as it pushes down on the bulkheads
Files or rasps? I think the nice young lady knows more about tools than this dude. Hes Pitiful